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June 08, 2022

Biden's Foreign Policy Is One Big Mess

Over the last months I have written little about other U.S. foreign policy issues than the war in Ukraine.

A short review shows that there is little that Secretary of State Anthony Blinken or his president could count as a success.

Last month Biden traveled to Asia where he had meetings with the QUAD (Australia, Japan, India and the U.S.) as well as with South Asian leaders.

The QUAD meeting was a failure as India showed no sign of joining the other three in their condemnation of Russia. Instead of sanctioning  Russia India is buying more oil from Russia which offers decent rebates. Such disunity does not look good for a U.S. designed anti-China coalition.

Most noted though was that Biden came to Asia with empty hands:

Months after U.S. President Joe Biden first indicated that his administration would launch a new Indo-Pacific Economic Framework (IPEF) that would signal strengthened U.S. engagement with Asian economies, the president, together with the leaders of a dozen countries from across Asia, announced the launch of the IPEF in Tokyo on May 23.
The slow process of determining what will be in the four “pillars” of the IPEF, how negotiations will be handled due to a division of labor between the U.S. trade representative and the commerce secretary, and uncertainty about which governments would sign up have deepened the ambivalence.

As a result of this ambivalence, the joint statement launching the framework referred to “collective discussions toward future negotiations,” indicating that there is more work to do to flesh out the initiative.

Asian governments are not wrong to have mixed feelings about the IPEF. U.S. trade officials plan to seek higher labor and environmental performances from negotiating partners, but they have also indicated that they are not prepared to offer access to the U.S. market—let alone pursue a TPP-style free trade agreement.

Malaysia’s Mahathir Mohamad said that the new US-led trade group IPEF is intended to ‘isolate China’. It will be unsuccessful doing that as it the whole idea is likely to fail.

As a writer for the Lowy Institute in Sydney opined in the New York Times:

Mr. Biden huddled last week with leaders of the four-nation “Quad” group formed to counter Beijing, vowed to defend Taiwan against China and introduced a new economic pact involving a dozen nations to shore up U.S. economic influence in the region.

Yet China is already winning throughout much of Asia on both the economic and diplomatic fronts, and nothing the United States is doing seems likely to change that.
The Biden administration’s answer, unveiled last week in Tokyo, is its Indo-Pacific Economic Framework. It falls far short.

The plan calls for cooperation on trade, supply chains, infrastructure and fighting corruption. But it does not include better access to the huge U.S. import market, a crucial carrot that normally underpins trade agreements.
Meanwhile, China has forged ahead. State-owned companies have locked up big projects around the region, often under the umbrella of China’s sprawling Belt and Road Initiative.

China also practices persistent diplomacy. Foreign Minister Wang Yi’s travels in Southeast Asia and the Pacific have far outstripped the pace of his U.S. counterpart, Antony Blinken. Despite the fanfare of Mr. Biden’s recent trip to Asia, it was his first to the region since taking office 16 months ago and included visits only to close allies South Korea and Japan.
Competing with China in Asia will not be easy. But it starts with recognizing that right now the United States is losing.

Those words, coming from a staunch U.S. ally, are pretty harsh.

Another area where current U.S. foreign policy is failing is in the Americas. Biden is currently hosting the 'summit' of the Organization of American States. The head of states of at least 7 of the 34 OAS member states were not invited or declined to come:

Mr. Biden’s insistence that the leaders of Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela not attend the summit was seen in many capitals as a sign of U.S. imperialism and an unwillingness to address in an honest way the complex issues in the region.

The three Central American nations known as the Northern Triangle — El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras — which along with Mexico are the source of about 66 percent of the illegal migration at the U.S. border, decided to send their foreign ministers to the summit as a signal of their displeasure.

Biden's (or Blinken's) ideological argument that Cuba, Nicaragua and Venezuela are 'dictatorships' does not make much sense when one learns that the unelected acting president of Haiti, Ariel Henry, was invited even though he is under suspicion of having ordered the murder of his predecessor Jovenel Moïse.

Biden again came with empty hands:

Administration officials said that Mr. Biden would propose reforms to the Inter-American Development Bank to encourage more private investment in the region and investments of $300 million by the United States to combat food insecurity. On Tuesday, Vice President Kamala Harris announced pledges of $1.9 billion in investments by private companies over the next several years.

But it is not clear that the investments will be robust enough to prevent those countries from turning to China for help, a key goal for Mr. Biden.

The foreign policy establishment is not happy with this:

Richard N. Haass @RichardHaass - 11:44 UTC · Jun 7, 2022

The Summit of the Americas looks to be a debacle, a diplomatic own goal. The US has no trade proposal, no immigration policy, & no infrastructure package. Instead, the focus is on who will & will not be there. Unclear is why we pressed for it to happen.

U.S. policy in the Middle East is stuck. The nuclear agreement with Iran is unlikely to be revived under Biden as he has rejected to lift Trump's terror designation of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. His planned visit to Saudi Arabia, to beg for more and cheaper oil, has been moved to some uncertain future date. The leader of Saudi Arabia is still miffed about Biden previously snubbing him. He also wants to continue his OPEC+ agreement with Russia and others oil producer to prevent lower oil prices.

It does not help that the Democratic leaning retired General John R. Allen is under investigation for having lobbied for Qatar, the arch rival of Saudi Arabia. Allen is leading the equally Democratic leaning Brookings Institute which has received major donations from Qatar.

On its anti-China policy the Biden administration had two other setbacks. It had banned solar modules from China over alleged human rights abuses in Xinjiang where the raw materials for making these modules is coming from. This, and a minor trade dispute, led to supply crisis for solar panels and stopped some major 'green energy' projects. Biden reacted to that by signing an emergency authorization to lift tariffs on solar modules from southeast Asian 'producers' which are in fact reselling Chinese produced ones.

The State Department also seems confused about its own anti-China policy:

The U.S. State Department has updated its fact sheet on Taiwan again, to reinstate a line about not supporting formal independence for the Chinese-claimed, democratically-governed island.

One might argue that Biden's plan to lure Russia into a war in Ukraine has worked well. NATO is at least temporarily united and the EU under strict U.S. control. But the monetary assault on Russia via sanctions has turned out to be a total failure with the ruble gaining new heights. The effects of the sanctions have instead created another supply shock with prices for oil, fertilizer and wheat going through the roof.

The World Bank has downgraded its global growth predictions and is warning of stagflation. The average gasoline price in the U.S. has hit $5 per gallon and is likely to increase further. General inflation has markedly increased thought the causes get misidentified. This while the stock and house markets are more or less in free fall.

It does not look good at all for the Democrats in the upcoming mid-term election or a reelection of Biden in 2024.

Morale in the White House is down:

President Joe Biden and his aides have grown increasingly frustrated by their inability to turn the tide against a cascade of challenges threatening to overwhelm the administration.

Soaring global inflation. Rising fuel prices. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. A Supreme Court poised to take away a constitutional right. A potentially resurgent pandemic. A Congress too deadlocked to tackle sweeping gun safety legislation even amid an onslaught of mass shootings.

In crisis after crisis, the White House has found itself either limited or helpless in its efforts to combat the forces pummeling them. Morale inside 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is plummeting amid growing fears that the parallels to Jimmy Carter, another first-term Democrat plagued by soaring prices and a foreign policy morass, will stick.

Biden could still save his bacon by replacing his ideological minded secretary of state and national security advisor with capable realists. The above list includes enough reasons to do so.

He also needs to shut down the war in Ukraine. He could tell Zelensky to end the senseless fighting and to submit to Russia's demands. Sanctions against Russia could then be lifted and a further oil price increase prevented. (As the war has already moved off the front pages this is likely doable.)

Biden though has never shown the necessary flexibility to do either.

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The one thing that seems to me to be obvious is that Russia means it when they say the US is incapable of negotiation, and the Russians are not in any hurry because they are draining the west. They know that no promise is any more important than it is meaningless.
So, I keep learning more by watching only what Russia does. Everyone else (except Turkey) are running around like recently decapitated chickens.
They also appear to know (like China) that the only way to break the US/Nato is to be patient and watch them do it by themselves. Russia knows there is limited support for the governments of many of the "enemies of russia" type nations. These same that have openly displayed their own form of nazi behavior, some for many decades.
The EU volunteered to be destroyed. b can tell us how close Deutschland is to leaving the Euro monetary union at least, perhaps the EU itself. It is just one of dozens of nations that can no longer afford the fish that Brussels is selling. The US also negatively affected everyone in Europe and Asia, Africa as well as the two America's. These nations don't make friends.

slow going, fewest casualties, most protecting the environment and housing, assisting in delivery of wheat to the world, clearing out a nest of nazi's out of control, rebuilding cities, controlling the nuclear plants to deliver electricity. This sounds more like the complaint about the Romans from "The Life of Brian" (what have the romans ever done for us)

the western nations that are being unfriendly are losing their shit watching Russia become what the US has ceased to be.

Posted by: Tard | Jun 8 2022 20:14 utc | 101

We say 'NATO' because it sounds a lot more impressive than "America and a pack of poodles."

Posted by: Eugene Debs | Jun 8 2022 20:10 utc | 96

Poodles were originally German hunting dogs. Recent NATO behavior is more like a Chihuahua.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Jun 8 2022 20:15 utc | 102

"Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 8 2022 20:08 utc | 95"

Yandex also offers a plug-in, at least for Firefox, which does auto-translations.

So, these days, I load websites from around the world, and can usually read them. It does seem to have more trouble with Spanish->English, which kinda makes sense since the sentence and phrase structures can flip around.

Posted by: Eugene Debs | Jun 8 2022 20:15 utc | 103


Posted by: SAMiam | Jun 8 2022 20:16 utc | 104

US State succeeded in removing Imran Khan in Pakistan.

Ukraine is Biden’s baby and he will not give an inch of Ukrainian territory to Putin. Democrats will sink with Biden in the Midterm election results for a 2-year lame duck period.

Spain urges NATO to defend the Southern Frontier

Gen. Lloyd Austin is hiring nations to form a Gulf regional NATO with Israel. US diplomacy is dead-ended across the globe … Biden doesn’t do negotiations that entails compromising.

Biden is successful to expand on Trump’s MAGA, trade wars and the Abraham “Business” Accords.

Biden’s Blitzkrieg across Europe will deliver billions of contracts for military goods from NATO allies.

In interview, Angela Merkel Defends Her Legacy and Russia Policy

"I don't see that I have to say that was wrong,
so I won't apologize either."

Posted by: Oui | Jun 8 2022 20:20 utc | 105

IMO, Maria Zakharova writes her own copy, although I doubt she does all her own research, not that that's unusual or a detriment. Rather, as her commentary displays, she has an acerbic wit that I applaud, but I'm afraid it never is read/heard by its intended target since most reside in Fantasy Land. Here's yet another example of importance similar to the one on religion:

Retaliatory Measures to Ongoing Repression of Russian Media in the United States

On June 6 of this year, State Department spokesman Nicolas Price once again accused Russia of violating the rights and freedoms of journalists and of a "full-scale attack" on press freedom.

I have a feeling that they have no other folders except for the folder called "Russia". There is only one stack of papers dedicated to our country. Now I have listed the countries and country associations that banned the broadcasting of TV channels by the dozens (close to a hundred). Where's N. Price? Where are his comments and assessment of how in a number of countries of the very Western camp – the "collective West" over which his country marches? A real arbitrariness in terms of non-compliance with the fundamental principles of freedom of speech. Where is the reaction?

We understand what we are talking about: our achieved goals. We wanted to draw the attention of US government agencies and the public to what is happening to the Russian media in the United States. The fact is that a real war has been declared on them there. We realized that this is not just segregation and harassment, and the real persecution of Russian media and journalists in the United States does not reach the general public in any way in terms of information. It's all happening, but no one in America knows about it. We were interested in being able to make this story public so that it would reach "them." And then it came.

In Moscow, in our press center, we gathered American journalists, heads of correspondent offices of all American media accredited in Russia, and told them point by point what was happening to their Russian colleagues abroad, primarily in the United States. We did this against the backdrop of Endless statements by Washington that there is something wrong with freedom of speech. They, it turns out, didn't know about it. American journalists working in Russia had no idea how their Russian counterparts in the United States were doing. It's true. Only two out of a dozen said they had heard something like that. The others didn't hear. It is ok? As a rule, they know what is happening on the other side of the earth, which is not connected with either Russia or the United States. And what is happening in their own country with regard to journalists from the country in which they are now located, they have no idea. So we told them. To make the effect stronger, they said that all the same, if it does not stop in the United States, we will begin to do with regard to American journalists in Russia. This, as I can see, did not please anyone. It is wonderful when people who come up with new executions have the opportunity to feel their effect on themselves once.

As intended, the information was promptly reported to its destination. So far, we have not heard constructive proposals. Time has passed. If Washington, where they invent all these persecutions, does not change its mind about poisoning and destroying Russian journalists and the media, then we will act proportionately accordingly.

It is surprising that Nicholas Price said the following, and I quote: "The United States continues to issue visas to professional Russian journalists. None of the Russian journalists working in the United States have their accreditation revoked at the Center for Foreign Media." I appeal to you personally, N. Price. We know each other, we met during the talks. Unfortunately, you are misleading the public. The fact is that Russian journalists have big problems with American visas. The Ministry of Finance of your country imposed sanctions against the TV channels "Russia 1", "First", "NTV". It turns out that there are restrictions on the Russian media? This is one of the rhetorical questions. Or not, that's a practical question. Mr. Price, you, since you have deceived the world audience a little, you must find out the truth. And here it is.

Russian media and journalists in the United States have created unbearable conditions for existence, professional and economic activity. Visas of the appropriate category are not issued, without them accreditations are not issued and are not extended. Perhaps some journalists, whom you consider right and necessary, all this is done to them. But for the most part, Russian journalists, unfortunately, face enormous difficulties in obtaining and extending American visas. They cannot return to Russia in order to solve work issues, on vacation, etc. Without an extended visa, they will not be able to return to the United States in order to continue working there. You know this very well. Corporate and personal current accounts are not opened. I hope that the State Department will at least now find out about it. Accounts previously opened by correspondent offices and journalists are blocked, and transfers to and from Russia are severely restricted.

Mr Price, how do you think they receive their salaries if their accounts are blocked? Ask yourself a question. Your American journalists receive a salary, can pay for housing, cars, rent necessary equipment, buy food. So long. If you do not do something to unblock the situation with Russian journalists and media, we will take similar measures against your American journalists.

Now for the signals. The distribution of broadcast signals, broadcasting on the Internet is also not easy, and sometimes simply impossible. Local contractors urgently under the pressure of US government agencies and without explaining the reasons (they are also forbidden to announce the reasons) terminate contracts with our media for the provision of services, rental of premises and land plots. Their counterparties in third countries are also "in the crosshairs": they are directly threatened with secondary sanctions. Only for the fact, Mr Price, that they cooperate with the Russians. In addition, our journalists are under constant pressure from US intelligence agencies, as we have repeatedly said. Perhaps your journalists don't tell you about it or your embassy is not working. The same goes for their family members. If you forgot or didn't specifically talk about RT, I'll remind you of that as well. In March of this year, the activities of the RT America TV channel were terminated, all accounts in YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter were blocked, websites are also inaccessible in Google's recommendation services. The RT application has been removed from the Apple, Google, and Smart TV stores. Are you saying that it was the private operators themselves who decided so? It's not true. We know how many instructions and valuable instructions, direct pressure is exerted by us government agencies on private companies. We can see this from the situation with economic operators from the United States in our country. There is no denying the obvious.

If all of the above is for you, Mr Price, the norm, and not a fundamental violation of the principle of freedom of the media and barbarism, aimed at cleansing the media space from an alternative opinion, consider that we have heard it. In this case, similar conditions will be created for the American media and their representatives in Russia. You don't think it's something special, do you? The decision is yours.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 8 2022 20:21 utc | 106

Posted by: Tard | Jun 8 2022 20:14 utc | 99

"the western nations that are being unfriendly are losing their shit watching Russia become what the US has ceased to be."

Brilliant observation.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 8 2022 20:22 utc | 107

The globalists really do seem determined on ridding the world of little people. That and grabbing as much of the pie as they can before the stuff hits the fan. Then running off to hide in their bunkers and await the dawning of their new world.

Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 8 2022 20:22 utc | 108

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 8 2022 18:21 utc | 37:

No Post-WW2 US President is innocent of crimes against humanity--they are all guilty!

I agree with you. Carter was the one who funded the Mujahidins and turn Afghanistan into the killing field for the next 4 decades.

Relatively speaking, however, Carter WAS a more decent man than all those that followed.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 8 2022 20:26 utc | 109

Tard | Jun 8 2022 20:14 utc | 99

I look now at what has occurred since the weeks before Russia recognized the two republics and it is somewhat like Russia simply held a carrot out over an economic cliff. Anglo European west were virtually frothing at the mount talking sanctions from hell when Russia recognized the Republics. Massive sanctions where launched just for that, even before Russia announced the SMO two days later. I think this operation is not just to destroy the nazi's of Ukraine, but also the economies of their backers.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2022 20:26 utc | 110

Posted by: Tard | Jun 8 2022 20:14 utc | 99

The strategic advantage of being a good friend and ally with China, is that they can adopt the attitude that says 'we will win someday' with confidence.

This whole conflict is because the reigning Empire is about to be replaced by a rising power. Historically, this frequently leads to war. The alternative to war is that the reigning Empire use its current power to secure for it a strong position in the world even after it loses supremacy. But, that goes against human nature, and the planet's apex predator usually goes into attack mode when challenged.

China knows they are rising. They see the same projections of their economy as the ones that give nightmares to Wall Street. And, since American belligerence has foolishly forced China and Russia to become not only diplomatic friends, but to become the short of friends you make with the person who is standing beside you while you are fighting for your life, Russia can now be quite patient knowing that as long as the friendship with China holds, then Russia rises to the top with their allies.

Plus, the combination of Russian resources and a technological knowledge and education base that dates back to the Communist era makes a good combination with Chinese workforce and the factories that the capitalists foolishly built for the Chinese in order to shaft their own experienced workforce at home.

Posted by: Eugene Debs | Jun 8 2022 20:29 utc | 111

Russia continues to send troops. This time in Nicaragua.

The leadership of Nicaragua officially allowed the entry of personnel of the RF Armed Forces, equipment, ships and aircraft into the country. The official motivation is for humanitarian purposes.

The official deployment of troops may begin in the second half of 2022. The size of the contingent has not yet been announced. Its now possible to think about rocket launchers in Nicaragua. 😀

From: Сolonelcassad

Posted by: ostro | Jun 8 2022 20:32 utc | 112

Here's Blinken on the SMO:
...unprovoked [most commonly used] and unjust war of choice against Ukraine . . Russia’s brutal invasion of Ukraine. . .brutal war . . .war of choice

We're supposed to forget about undeclared US wars on Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Iraq (twice), Afghanistan, and Syria. There are also the US conflicts in Africa: Libya, Mali and Somalia. Add to those the economic wars against Iran, Venezuela and Cuba, the previous wars on Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia, and the significant support for wars on Yemen and Palestine.

There are obvious differences between Russia at war and the US. First is the quantity difference and the amount of damage done. Next is the repeated adjectives describing the wars. The Russian regional invasion of Ukraine was based upon a natural interest in security, threatened by NATO. Nevertheless, the US standard term for Russia's special operation is "unprovoked."

The US keeps getting it wrong-- it was the US destructive wars against poor countries with little defense that were unprovoked. There was no security threat to the US on any of these. That's not true with Russia.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 8 2022 20:40 utc | 113

Freedom of speech is fine if it is consistently pro-US. The problem comes when someone criticizes the US. That's not right, because the US is above criticism. Whatever the US does is the right thing. So journalists who say otherwise are wrong. They are practicing "disinformation." They are creating, disseminating and amplifying false or misleading information

Secretary Antony J. Blinken Panel Discussion at the Media Summit of Americas Session: “A Commitment to Journalistic Freedom”

So starting tomorrow, the Ninth Summit of the Americas is going to bring together governments, civil society, youth, the private sector, and citizens from across our hemisphere to try to see how, together, we can tackle the fundamental problems that our societies face and do a better job at delivering for our people. That is the mission that we set for ourselves.

In every country in the hemisphere, for every goal that we want to achieve, for every problem affecting the lives of our people, a free, independent press is essential.

We see that in the reporting around the hemisphere and the world – including by some people who are here today – whether that’s digging into the toughest topics, like corruption or abuses by security services; or lifting up the stories of grassroots leaders who are finding solutions to complex problems, like the youth activists in small island states who are helping their communities adapt to rising seas and other changes that are brought on by climate change.

Reporting on issues like these shows how a free, independent press is quite literally a cornerstone of healthy democracies. And at its core is an idea, the idea that accurate information is a public good – one that helps people understand the events and forces shaping their lives; spotlights problems and solutions that they otherwise might not see; and, fundamentally, empowers citizens to engage meaningfully in their communities, their countries, and the world. In democracies, we often look to the media to provide this public good.

It’s also the reason it’s so important that governments like ours are open to scrutiny, to questions from the media – even when occasionally it’s not the most comfortable thing to do. And you can take that from me as well.

. . .So what I’d like to do in this time that I have now is to highlight three of the challenges that we see, and what the United States is doing – together with journalists, media organizations, NGOs, multilateral organizations, philanthropies, the private sector, and other governments – what we’re all trying to do to tackle them.

The first challenge – this will not be news to anyone – is disinformation. Many speakers today have highlighted how governments and non-state actors are seizing on vulnerabilities in our media ecosystem to create, to disseminate, to amplify false or misleading information. We’ve seen how these falsehoods can polarize communities, poison the public square, undermine people’s trust in health systems, government institutions, in democracy itself. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 8 2022 20:54 utc | 114

"The leadership of Nicaragua officially allowed the entry of personnel of the RF Armed Forces, equipment, ships and aircraft into the country... The official deployment of troops may begin in the second half of 2022."

Posted by: ostro | Jun 8 2022 20:32 utc | 110

Outrageous! How dare they! Such delicious irony.

Bet they're also talking to AMLO in Mexico too. He is already rather pissed about US hypocrisy on the 60-year illegal blockade of Cuba as well as the dis-invitation of Nicaragua, Cuba, and Venezuela from the OAS summit. What beautiful symmetry it would be: Mexico joining a new South Atlantic Treaty Org, a purely defensive alliance of course ... with hypersonics

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jun 8 2022 20:59 utc | 115

"I guarantee that if Joe Biden had his way, US Troops would be fighting in Ukraine now."

And I can guarantee the old fool would push the red button rather than lose the war.
What a frigging shit show this administration is!

Posted by: morongobill | Jun 8 2022 21:04 utc | 116

"State Department spokesman Nicolas Price once again accused Russia of violating the rights and freedoms of journalists and of a "full-scale attack" on press freedom."

karlof1 | Jun 8 2022 20:21 utc | 104

Thanks karlof. It's deeply moving and inspiring to be reassured that the US is an unflinching champion of truth and justice, with an unwavering commitment to the rights and freedoms of journalists everywhere. Proud to be an Amerikan!

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jun 8 2022 21:14 utc | 117

Another way to describe Biden,he has one foot in the boneyard and the other on a banana peel👍

Posted by: morongobill | Jun 8 2022 21:19 utc | 118

Morongobill, it's a safe bet that a large part of the $$$billions being sent to "aid" Ukraine is being siphoned off to compensate the pols and their puppeteers - who've been frustrated in plundering that unfortunate country.

Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 8 2022 21:24 utc | 119

Alexei Arora <-- Twitter
New poll finds more Americans believe:

- Sanctions hurt the US more than Russia (56 - 42%)

- It's "okay for the US to let Ukraine lose to Russia” (45 - 40%)

- It'd "be better" to get Biden out of the White House than Putin out of the Kremlin (56 - 43%)

I guess the undereducated and over-deplorable of deplorable folks cannot understand the need to support Ukraine by paying more for gasoline etc. At least, this is how I imagine the demographic breakup of the poll.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 8 2022 21:28 utc | 120

@SAMiam #102:


No. The English version of EurAsia Daily has been translating only a tiny fraction of news and analysis pieces published in the Russian version and went completely dead in June 2018.

But Russian-to-English machine translation is so good nowadays that using the Russian version is not a problem.

Posted by: S | Jun 8 2022 21:30 utc | 121

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 8 2022 21:28 utc | 118

"I guess the undereducated and over-deplorable of deplorable folks cannot understand the need to support Ukraine by paying more for gasoline etc. At least, this is how I imagine the demographic breakup of the poll."

You seem to be overlooking that 'the deplorables' were trying to elect a champion to 'drain the swamp' of Deep State creatures. Especially after how blatantly the 2020 election was stolen, many of them now know even more than they did before that USG has been taken over by anti-American elites making your characterization a tad condescending.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 8 2022 21:32 utc | 122

Relatively speaking, however, Carter WAS a more decent man than all those that followed.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Jun 8 2022 20:26 utc | 107

For that matter, Nixon was also "more decent" that all those that followed Carter. A bit of a butcher in Indochina and dirty tricker at home (amateurish!), but he normalized relations with China, ended the war in Vietnam, signed the law creating EPA (later hated by Republicans) etc.

Perhaps I just getting old and fond of "old, not-so-bad years".

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 8 2022 21:36 utc | 123

Re Woogs 15

I think that there is a Missing comma , for example

Have you eaten, grandma? Vs Have you eaten grandma?

The former is asking grandma if she has eaten, the latte if grandma has been eaten

Posted by: Aslangeo | Jun 8 2022 21:36 utc | 124


Thanks for the link and the heads up about the Russian version.

What translator would you recommend for Mozilla?

Of course, this brings up the obvious question of the validity of their reporting. One version for English-speaking and another for the russian-speaking?

Posted by: David F | Jun 8 2022 21:37 utc | 125

@118 Piotr Berman

That poll is some of the better news I have seen today! Both sides of the American electorate are stupid, one side has a little common sense and survival instinct.

Posted by: Haassaan | Jun 8 2022 21:38 utc | 126

Another way to describe Biden,he has one foot in the boneyard and the other on a banana peel👍

Posted by: morongobill | Jun 8 2022 21:19 utc | 116

This kind of straddle would be beyond my (admittedly modest) abilities. How about "with one foot on a banana peel and the other in his mouth"?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 8 2022 21:40 utc | 127

B: "Biden's Foreign Policy Is One Big Mess"

"It does not look good at all for the Democrats in the upcoming mid-term election or a reelection of Biden in 2024."

Well, their only saving grace then is a coherent, effective, and popular domestic policy agenda: a healthy stock market and growing economy, ambitious infrastructure and jobs investments, debt reduction, sound immigration controls, gun-violence prevention programs, a unifying social/cultural agenda, progressive tax policies... Oh wait...

Okay then, more importantly, they do have Smartmatic vote-counters.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Jun 8 2022 21:41 utc | 128

A new crop of elected officials or those running in November primaries were selected by United States citizens yesterday.

These WEF graduates have their primary alliances with a foreign entity, that being the WEF. They should register as foreign agents in my opinion. Are these the ones that “we the people” really want running OUR country?

WEF graduate list

Until February 2022, Ukraine could limit itself to losing only the Crimea and the territories of the DPR and LPR for 2021.
Since February 2022, Ukraine could limit itself only to the loss of Crimea and the territories of the DPR and LPR within the borders of the former regions.
From April 2022, Ukraine may limit itself to the loss of the Crimea, the LPR and DPR within the borders of the regions, the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions.
What else Ukraine will lose will be determined in the course of further military operations in the summer and autumn of 2022.

The longer the US and NATO drag out the war in Ukraine, the more territories Ukraine will eventually lose.
The role of the West as cannon fodder against Russia comes at a price. Including the territorial one.
In this regard, the actions of the Zelensky gang do not lead to the "liberation of the territory of Ukraine", but to an increase in the size of the territories that Ukraine will lose as a result of the war. And under Zelensky, it will lose them much more than under Poroshenko.

From Readovka (Telegram) 7 Jun 2022

Posted by: Dadda | Jun 8 2022 21:48 utc | 129

"@ 24 Chevrus - San Francisco California just had a recall election on Chesa Boudin, Soros backed district attorney. For SF to have gotten rid of him must be a rather sobering event for our puppet masters. I'm not sure what is going on with the Los Angeles local elections. I'm too busy reading MoA!
What a flustercuck disaster.

Posted by: lex talionis "

doesn't have a MFing thing to do with soros - you should learn and think before you speak. It's the police unions because Boudin has attempted to hold them accountable for brutality. period.

Posted by: Oso | Jun 8 2022 21:49 utc | 130

If Ventura runs with Tulsi Gabbard as his running mate, the deep state will have little reason to Dallas him.

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 8 2022 21:50 utc | 131

I think I know who is driving this nonsense.

Let's see: I read today that the EU is banning Russian oil. The US has also "banned" Russian oil but only if delivered by Russian ships. Taking advantage of this "doublespeak", the US has recently doubled its consumption of Russian oil at the same time it has offered oil from the United States to the EU to replace Russian oil.

Ouch! The United States is offering to resell thinly disguised Russian oil to the EU with a markup!

The Jews are notorious for making their trillions in ARBITRAGE; that is, the simple practice of buying low and selling high under shady circumstances. This is regardless of whether the commodities traded are real estate, land, food stocks, energy, arms, monetary instruments, or .. you name it. In some contexts, this has been alleged to be organized crime.

Hence, the used suspects will walk away from the Ukrain-related disruption of global supply chains with trillions by selling thinly disguised Russian oil and gas to the EU at a premium and otherwise supplying other people who "need" with the products they "want" at a premium.

At the end of the day, the Ukrainian crisis is a scam that will pay and pay until the usual suspects have stuffed their overseas accounts with all of the loot they can hide.

Posted by: GoDark | Jun 8 2022 21:51 utc | 132

Posted by: Eugene Debs | Jun 8 2022 20:15 utc | 101

Have been using Google Translate though it's a little clunky to get a full page translation - several steps.

Just installed Mate Translate and it needs only a right click to bring up the prompt to translate the whole page and once you have done it then each subsequent page on that site it pops up automatically needing only an Enter to get a full page translation. (Have a Linux Arch OS with Brave/Chrome Browser)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 8 2022 21:51 utc | 133

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 8 2022 21:32 utc | 120

I tried to observe that educated folks have higher ability to agree with complex arguments that make no sense. They also complain less when the fuel prices increase.

About the "deplorables", Trump toward the end of the first term got totally assimilated by the Deep State, my impression is that he never figured out how to approach it, and given that he was not THAT stupid (here comes the next President!), he probably did not care. So-called "swamp" got the status of ecologically precious wetlands, a unique habitat that, if disturbed, would be catastrophic for marine life getting a total blockage of the digestive track from swallowing all the "mullah" that is instead metabolized by the swamp. De facto, a National Nature Monument.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 8 2022 21:52 utc | 134

Undereducated? I have four university degrees: A.B. Magna cum laude from Princeton; B.A. with First Class Honours from Oxford; Harvard Ph.D.; and J.D. from Yale Law School. And I voted for Trump in 2020, and fully intend to vote for him in 2024.

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 8 2022 21:57 utc | 135

Go Dark are you really so eurocentric as to believe that arbitrage is the preserve of any particular religious cult?
Historically there have been, and remain, many communities-including New England Yankees- specialising in mercantile and financial activities.
Do you imagine that in the ancient and wealthy civilisations of India, China and the Islamic world money lending and arbitrage was in the hands of the European followers of the Judaic cult?
In fact Armenians were much more active as were Banya and many other groups in India. As for China....

Posted by: bevin | Jun 8 2022 22:24 utc | 136

Peter AU1 @108--

Here's Maria on sanctions:

Question: On June 4, the sixth package of sanctions against Russia was launched. What can this package lead to in the Russian economy and the world economy as a whole? What countermeasures does Moscow plan to introduce?

Maria Zakharova: I spoke about this in part. We comment on this regularly. On June 3 of this year, the EU Council adopted another package of unilateral restrictions against Russia, which are illegitimate from the point of view of international law. It includes, among other things, restrictions on the import of crude oil and certain types of petroleum products from Russia to the EU, disconnection of three more Russian banks from the international interbank system for transmitting information and making SWIFT payments, a ban on broadcasting in the European Union of Russian TV channels "Russia RTR / RTR Planeta", "Russia 24" and "TV Center - International".

It is obvious that for the European Union, the preservation of the cohesion of its ranks in the sanctions confrontation with Russia and the ability to support Washington's "initiatives" on this track have essentially become a determining factor. The miscalculations of the consequences of the introduced restrictions for the world economy, and for the economies of the EU member states themselves, are out of the question. No one even has the right to claim that the blow inflicted by them themselves, if these packages are adopted, will be destructive, that it was possible to at least calculate the costs for the EU space. Even for this, they are allocated neither time nor opportunity. First, decisions are made "with pomp" and only then they begin to analyze the potential damage from actions. When their own citizens begin to demand a report, strange-looking representatives come out and tell tall tales that Russia has done all this – raised the prices of gasoline, energy, and consumer goods. More than twice, "it" doesn't work. People begin to understand the whole mechanics of these actions, that the whole strategy is developed in Washington, then it, as a directive, goes down to Brussels for execution. Then, in the course of such sporadic discussions (actually gatherings), they adopt these sanctions without regard to their own interests, and ... there is a boomerang hit on them. That's the Brussels-style strategy.

The new sanctions steps of the EU will affect our economy and the global economic situation to one degree or another. As experience has shown, the Russian economy and business community have learned to mobilize in the face of restrictive measures introduced by the West, adapting to the situation. We have been living in these conditions for a long time. Maybe it's new to some. We have a long-standing and old situation.

All this is fraught with problems and with the search for solutions, but they are there, ways out of the current circumstances are outlined every time. It's not our choice. We proceed from the fact that for many years we have been explaining the harmfulness and absolute ineffectiveness of such an approach. Now we see the devastating effect of this logic. We have also been talking about the suicidality of the EU policy for a long time.

As President Vladimir Putin noted at a meeting on economic issues on June 7 this year, Russia has managed to bring inflation under control, unemployment is at a historic low, and there is a positive trend in agriculture and construction.

The Russian economy has already begun to adapt to the current difficult situation and is withstanding these tests. Although there is a lot of work to be done.

We have repeatedly said that the sanctions confrontation with the West is their strategic initiative, a long-term course that they outlined (long-term from the point of view of the fact that a long time ago all this was resolved and introduced in stages in relation to our country). In the post-pandemic period, coordinated actions of the entire world community are needed to solve pressing global problems, and not thoughtless and irresponsible steps on the part of the European Union, aggravating the already difficult situation with food and energy security in the world. Although the consolidation of efforts was necessary during the pandemic. But we didn't see it then. Probably, this is a systemic problem of the Western community.

We have repeatedly warned our EU neighbours that we reserve the right to take retaliatory measures against the European Union. These retaliatory measures are not taken thoughtlessly, not out of emotion, but with an eye to preserving our own interests and limiting the destructive nature of the illegitimate sanctions imposed on us.

Confirmation of the effectiveness of our retaliatory steps is the fact that in the EU, against the background of calls for the development of new anti-Russian restrictions, assessments are becoming more and more loud that the EU's sanctions policy against Russia has reached the limit and is ineffective, that it has not solved a single task set by the "collective West". Further, the damage from any anti-Russian measures will by definition be greater for the EU than for Russia. It's obvious.

Our forced counter-actions of an economic nature against the EU member states are carefully calibrated and are directed exclusively against unfriendly countries. The relevant legal acts of the Russian Federation (they are available, you can see them) make it possible to carry out the necessary adjustments to countermeasures in the interests of the socio-economic development of our state and our closest partners. We will continue to be guided by the same principles when developing ways to respond to the next EU restrictions. [My Emphasis]

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 8 2022 22:29 utc | 137

I never blink, except the one time i Blinken'd.

Joe Tzu

Posted by: albagen | Jun 8 2022 22:31 utc | 138

'Open mouth insert foot' - Scott Ritter on Biden

Scott Ritter calls a dunce - a dunce. IMO Biden is just the right president to end the USA empire.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 8 2022 22:41 utc | 139

Maria on "Western Solidarity":

Question: Does Russia see signs of a split in the West over how Russia's special operation in Ukraine should end? If so, does Russia intend to take advantage of these differences in any way?

A: It's an amazing story. This is not the first time I hear that Russia has constantly tried to split some Western unity in order to take advantage of the fruits of this split. Let's look at this situation a little differently: there was no unity.

Today I read a statement by one of the Western statesmen and there I met the term "voluntary solidarity". It cannot be voluntary or involuntary. The mention of such a term proves that what in the West was now called solidarity, in principle, was an absolutely involuntary and artificial matter. It cannot be violent. This is exactly what we saw: how alliances were formed by force, by blackmail to demonstrate a certain "unity" in the ranks. This was called "solidarity." As soon as there are obvious attempts to press, to force, to forcibly lead to a common denominator, this is not solidarity, but a lack of unity. There was nothing to split. There is no such unity.

If we are talking in principle about whether there should be such unity in the ranks when it comes to democracies and their associations, then each country should have its own vision of development paths. There is a diplomatic negotiation process for this. Its task is to unite. But this does not mean a lack of original unity, does not give the right to use techniques that lead to "involuntary" solidarity. They're completely different things. We have always adopted the following approach: each state has the right to its own everything – foreign and domestic policy, economy, etc. States can unite voluntarily, on a mutually respectful basis. If they want to unite on a different principle, then it must be their decision. Any issues related to the subordination of their national interests should be resolved exclusively voluntarily. Failure to pursue one's own national policy may be entirely voluntary. The state can give up part of the sovereignty, because it is so profitable for them. That is, not to have its own armed forces, to consolidate with some military bloc for the implementation of its defense of this state. It's more profitable. The funds will be reoriented to something else, to internal development. If this is a voluntary matter and this is the vision of the people, if it has passed the relevant legal procedures, referendums, then, for God's sake. But we see the opposite process.

Look at what's going on in Sweden and Finland. Countries in which even on the issue of changing left-hand to right-hand traffic was previously held a referendum. Today, on the fateful question of changing the "situation" on the world map in geopolitical terms, no one asks people. Even social surveys are not conducted. It is clear what the results will be. We have no desire to "split" anyone and "play" on this, because we do not have to do this. This unity does not exist. It is "assembled" by sending directives from Washington.

I can give an example of the question of unity and division. The closure of the airspace around Serbia and the physical prevention of Russian-Serbian talks in Belgrade. Serbia, which has obviously expressed European integration goals and objectives (it stated this) and is moving in this direction. At the same time, it is going to hold talks with Russia. Why? Because it is in cooperation with our country on a number of issues. It is prevented from doing so by the countries surrounding it, the member countries of NATO and the European Union. What does Washington say? The United States, in my opinion, should have at least remained silent on this matter and said that these are European affairs and let them decide for themselves. It's not a directly related issue to NATO, right? At least no one has said it publicly. What does Washington say? A State Department spokesperson says Serbia doesn't need to focus on negotiations with Russia now, it needs to fully concentrate on the policies that are leading Belgrade to Brussels, so that nothing distracts from this "EUnatocentric" movement. Where is Washington and where is Europe? Where is Belgrade and where is Brussels? Where is Russia? What does the United States have to do with this? Here's a concrete example. Where is the unity here that we want to split? We didn't do anything at all. We responded to the invitation of the Serbian side to hold a visit, gathered a delegation, ordered a board. Everything we did. Then they did everything themselves. The further we go, the more America demonstrates the lack of that unity. Why are they doing this? I don't know, maybe they like it.

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has repeatedly spoken about this in interviews, at news conferences and in articles. I advise you to take another look. Everything is on our website. [My Emphasis]

Maria is a gem. She's so good at her job, I'd hate to see her promoted.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 8 2022 22:42 utc | 140

Not that it really matters since I wouldn't do so anyway (shhh...don't tell) I've told my Biden backing friends (and father) that I'll never again vote for *any* Democrat at the state or national levels if Biden carries through with Trump's war on Assange. It's not looking good for him.

UN Special Rapporteur on torture has a new book out and it's damning.

Will Australia's PM do anything about it?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 8 2022 22:51 utc | 141

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 8 2022 21:52 utc | 132

Clearly am not educated enough to have picked up on that nuance and misunderstood your meaning!! Apologies...

I don't know what to make of Trump, how much he intended to change things substantively and how much was rhetoric to get elected. I don't like his narcissism/salesmanship - though it's not nearly as bad as portrayed - but did admire his can-do competence and executive chops and more. That said, he was not experienced at running bureaucracies with millions of employees, let alone dealing with intractable Administrative and Deep State hostility. A very strange Presidency.

Patrick Byrne in his post-election account said the Trumps got credible death threats in early December after which they gave up on challenging but didn't want to say that out loud to their supporters. On Jan 6th the original slate of speakers was cancelled with hardly any notice. Apparently Pence changed tack in the early evening of Jan 5th. The original slate of speakers were going to make a detailed presentation of their reasons for doubting the results and encourage the crowd go down to outside Congress to peacefully demand that the States conduct reviews before final certification a week later, something which Pence could have done apparently. But Trump had already given up so the 750,000+ crowd was not given that presentation or anything constructive to do after the rally as originally planned. And then of course it was poisoned by organized bad actors and the rest is history.

At this point I think that wittingly or not Trump is controlled opposition. If people really want to 'take their country back' then putting any faith in the federal election process and the DC-based USG will just continue the dysfunction. I don't know what needs to be done - though suspect States seceding it the most direct path - but it seems reasonably to state that doing the same thing again and again (voting in Presidents etc.) and expecting a different result is insane.

The 'deplorables' I feel for. Their wishes as citizens are sacrosanct - or should be - and their desire 'to get our country back' is entirely understandable. I just happen to think - partly based on the unending sedition perpetrated against Trump during his entire Presidency and especially with the blatantly stolen election - that the USA as no longer being a representative republic ship sailed long ago. I doubt there will be an election in 2024 and expect some sort of huge crisis in the next 12 months engendering emergency conditions such as mass civil unrest or quasi civil war between the police state and the deplorable 'domestic terrorists' which will preclude any voting. Or some such.

What has happened to America is very sad, but it's been a long time coming. Needs 'denazification and demilitarization' badly!

I read years ago that one of the Founders wrote that the system they set up would only work with the good will of all participants involved. It sounds about right to me. But then it means that the entire enterprise was doomed from the get-go and am surprised it lasted as long as it did. Of course some would argue that it was all over by 1913 and the rest since then has been one long, slow, highly lucrative heist.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 8 2022 22:53 utc | 142

What Constitutional right is the Supreme Court threatening to take away. If you are referring to abortion you are sadly and ignorantly mistaken. There is NO Constitutional right to murder your child. Try reading the document sometime before commenting ignorantly on it.

Posted by: Ips Prez | Jun 8 2022 22:55 utc | 143

Forgot to add perhaps the most relevant part. Jimmy Carter is fine with Wikileaks.

Melzer, among others, would remind him of the words of former US president Jimmy Carter, who, contrary to other presidents, said he did not deplore the WikiLeaks revelations.

They just made public what was the truth. Most often, the revelation of truth, even if it’s unpleasant, is beneficial. […] I think that, almost invariably, the secrecy is designed to conceal improper activities. - Former Prez Jimmah Carter

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 8 2022 22:56 utc | 144

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 8 2022 21:57 utc | 133

If Trump hadn't proactively and very enthusiastically gone after Julian Assange (and seriously discussed invading Venezuela and likely waging hot war on Iran), I might understand that for a person who participates in conversations such as those had here.

But he did, in addition to genuflecting to Prince Bone Sawdi, and he was fully subsumed by the portions of "The Swamp" that govern US gangster foreign policy.

What's the actual point in voting for *any* Republican or Democrat for President?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 8 2022 23:00 utc | 145

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 8 2022 18:08 utc | 32

I don't dispute your analysis but I would suggest an alternate perspective.

In the immediate post WWII period the US benefited from:
1) Pent up demand and high domestic savings during wartime
2) Significant IP transfers and technological advance
3) Creation of Bretton Woods I and associated global agencies dominated by the US
4) Significant improvements in human capital via the GI Bill
5) Destruction or bankruptcy of any challenger state
6) Population growth rate well in excess of the 2.1 children per woman
7) A high degree of cultural homogeneity based in part on the shared experience of WWII and associated military discipline

There are likely other factors. What is key is that post WWII the US uniquely benefited from a set of conditions not likely to be duplicated at any time in the future.

I would argue that since Bretton Woods II the US has been in a state of decline and much of the observed financialization, de-industrialization, political duopoly, and crony capitalism, represents a maladaptive response to the loss of factors 1 to 7 above.

In essence, the US has been in a state of slow collapse for the past 50 years and the thrust of its policy choices derives from an attempt to maintain a prior status derived from factors not possible to replicate or maintain.

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 8 2022 23:00 utc | 146

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 8 2022 21:50 utc | 129

How about a Ventura - Howie Hawkins ticket? That said, you're correct - there is no reason to Kennedy anyone anymore. The disruptive candidates get dealt with before and during the primary levels. Trump was an aberration. You think they're going to let that happen again? LOL

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 8 2022 23:01 utc | 147

Maria's confronted with a Howler:

Question: American journalist and writer David Ignatius said in his column to The Washington Post that US President Joe Biden could arrange a Korean scenario for the division of Ukraine into two different states. How does Moscow assess the likelihood of such a scenario?

A: Is this some kind of humorous column? What is this? What is this analysis? Maybe it's a sketch, a reflection after watching the White House briefings? I don't know what it is. I don't think it makes sense to take such things seriously.

The school of thought is indicative. "Divide and conquer" – always this principle, supplemented by the desire to sow chaos, accompanied the FOREIGN POLICY of the United States. I wouldn't be surprised if their experts see this approach as an opportunity for their leadership [domestically]. For eight years, starting in 2014, the United States has had the opportunity to decide how to participate in resolving the situation in Ukraine. Probably, it was not necessary to pursue the policy pursued by Washington in relation to this region. They had every opportunity to contribute to the formation of Ukraine as a prosperous country. For thirty years, everyone has seen what the Western "moderators" have done with this state. They just "destroyed" it. Let's call a spade a spade. Endless interference in domestic politics, which grew into external management with putschs and unconstitutional coups, blurring the concept of law, legality, etc. The stake was made solely on the forceful solution of everything that involves at least knowledge, study and analysis. I am not surprised that in addition to such schemes, American analysts do not think of anything else. [My Emphasis]

The POV behind the question says a lot about what was really arranged in Korea back in 1945 and the Outlaw US Empire's goal there in 1950.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 8 2022 23:01 utc | 148

Undereducated? I have four university degrees: A.B. Magna cum laude from Princeton; B.A. with First Class Honours from Oxford; Harvard Ph.D.; and J.D. from Yale Law School. And I voted for Trump in 2020, and fully intend to vote for him in 2024.

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 8 2022 21:57 utc | 133

Jeez all that education and you still don'tknow that Trump is the backside of the Biden coin?

Posted by: K | Jun 8 2022 23:04 utc | 149

Undereducated? I have four university degrees: A.B. Magna cum laude from Princeton; B.A. with First Class Honours from Oxford; Harvard Ph.D.; and J.D. from Yale Law School. And I voted for Trump in 2020, and fully intend to vote for him in 2024.

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 8 2022 21:57 utc | 133

Alas, none of these agree required to complete Snark 101. In particular, education may have various effect, like being habituated to listening to some droning and the accepting its essentials as required on the test (understanding not required), but then again, many graduate with an ability of critical thinking, comparing situations, interests, motivations and some elementary economic calculus.

On the topic of Trump and The Swamp, Trump was more a salesman than a creative businessman, and rather than policies, he had pitches. Were he interested in reigning in The Swamp, he would hire different people, e.g. so-called realists and paleo-cons. Instead we had Bolton, Pompeo etc. Pompeo against The Swamp???? That said, to recommend the choice for 2024, one needs to see the other side too. It may be reasonable to keep voting the current crew out until policy outcomes make more sense.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 8 2022 23:06 utc | 150

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 8 2022 21:32 utc | 120

There has been zero legitimate evidence provided that the 2020 election was "stolen" from Trump if by "stolen" you mean shenanigans with actual ballots and voting machines. One might argue that the DNC and MSM colluded to shush the Hunter Biden laptop story and that the same two groups coalesced into a unified entity with Silicon Valley social media giants (as detailed in a Time Magazine article) to push anti-Trump messaging. But in terms of ballot fraud, voting machines, gerrymandering, voter suppression and stolen elections, I hate to inform you, that the Republican Party (including Trump's supporters in it) is far and away the modern leader in rigging and stealing elections.

IIRC, also the Democrat candidate has won the popular vote something like 7 or 8 out of the last 10 elections.

2000 - Election stolen for Bush in Florida (where his brother was governor) and the activist SCOTUS Republicans

2004 - Election stolen for Bush in Ohio (and maybe other states) by way of Diebold and other voting machine companies providing back-doors into the software and other jury-rigging.

Hence while the Democrats steal elections (small S) the Republicans Steal them.

-disclaimer: I have not voted Democrat for President since 2000

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 8 2022 23:10 utc | 151

You seem to be overlooking that 'the deplorables' were trying to elect a champion to 'drain the swamp' of Deep State creatures. Especially after how blatantly the 2020 election was stolen, many of them now know even more than they did before that USG has been taken over by anti-American elites making your characterization a tad condescending.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 8 2022 21:32 utc | 120

And how did that work for them? Its hard to drain a swamp when you don't understand that the Chief Swamp Drainer also sells the plumbing (manufactured in China of course) to keep the swamp regularly topped up with fetid capitalist water.

I'm seeing a resurgence of pro Trumpers here on the blog, oh well its free speech but how I wish we could ban domestic US politics from the pages here, it being the most bereft of intelligence and human decency on the entire planet.

Posted by: K | Jun 8 2022 23:14 utc | 152

This surprisingly didn't get much play.

Chasing proof of vote-rigging conspiracy theories, Republican officials and activists in eight U.S. locales have plotted to gain illegal access to balloting systems, undermining the security of elections they claim to protect.

And these outlandish claims of actual ballot fraud have real world consequences, made worse by the lack of proof of any kind.

A former Houston police captain was arrested after allegedly running a man off the road and threatening him at gunpoint — what prosecutors say was part of an elaborate attempt to find evidence for a false conspiracy theory of widespread voter fraud in Harris County.

Mark Aguirre was working on behalf of a powerful Republican megadonor’s group to investigate unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter fraud when, in October, he allegedly pulled a gun on a man described by the Harris County district attorney’s office as an “innocent and ordinary” air conditioner repairman.

Aguirre was arrested Tuesday, according to the Harris County district attorney’s office.

Prosecutors say Aguirre’s election fraud claims were baseless and that he was paid $266,400 by the group Liberty Center for God and Country, whose CEO is prominent Texas right-wing activist Steven Hotze.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 8 2022 23:15 utc | 153

Studying your enemy is for pimpled nerds.

Wars are won in the Mainstream Media before a battle is ever fought.

Tactics without strategy is the sound of ingots leaving for Raytheon's pockets.

Joe Tzu

What the Russians are doing to you militarily (the slow inexorable grind), the Chinese will do to you economically.
Not Joe Tzu

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Jun 8 2022 23:20 utc | 154

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 8 2022 23:10 utc | 149

"There has been zero legitimate evidence provided that the 2020 election was "stolen" from Trump if by "stolen" you mean shenanigans with actual ballots and voting machines."

There has been TONS of evidence, but since it cannot be presented in a venue that has any effect it is not what you call 'legitimate.'

Nor will it be. The US is not a country with equitable rule of law. Like I said: the representative republic ship sailed long ago.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 8 2022 23:22 utc | 155

karlof1 | Jun 8 2022 23:01 utc | 146

From everything that is being said by the Russian leadership since the SMO began - The Russia China joint statement, Russia's security (which will now look different to the mutual security ultimatum) and the SMO - all appear to be tied up in one complex bundle. I think it was Putin said something along the lines of Russia attaining that security/ or US hegemony will have ended by the time the SMO is finished.
US and EU are fast losing interest in Ukraine. The propaganda is changing tone and weapon supplies are slowing down. If US hegemony is ended, final denazification and neutrality would be I think easier and perhaps permanent.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 8 2022 23:26 utc | 156

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 8 2022 23:22 utc | 153

I don't disagree with the last sentence, but rule of law has always been fleeting for those of us - and those from whom this land was stolen or whos labor was forced to build it - in the USA under the Constitution.

To the most recent allegations from Trump and his supporters, I can't even count the number of courts - including some with Trump appointees - who have viewed the alleged 'legitimate' evidence for vote fraud and tossed it out. Were all of these people - even Republicans and Trump supporters on the bench - compromised or threatened? It's a ridiculous argument, and again I would wholeheartedly agree with the concept of the election being "stolen" by way of massive DNC-MSM-Social Media collusion, but not at the ballot box or counting rooms.

All of that said, I'd be happy to peruse any new or otherwise hushed proof of vote tampering. But then, are we to believe that Trump and his people/voters were completely innocent at the same time that hundreds if not thousands of Democrats, Republican public servants and citizens actively cheated Trump? That, too, is ridiculous. Once I heard Trump and his minions recycling tired xenophobic Russia hacking garbage, but changing the names to China and Venezuela, I knew they were 100% full of shit.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 8 2022 23:27 utc | 157

@David F #123:

What translator would you recommend for Mozilla?

I don’t use Mozilla, so I can’t recommend any plug-ins for it.

I’m using Google Translate web app: if you paste a link into the text field on the left, the text field on the right will display a link to an interactive translation, meaning, you can click the links in it and they will still be translated. Here’s the link for EurAsia Daily:

Google-translated EurAsia Daily

Of course, this brings up the obvious question of the validity of their reporting. One version for English-speaking and another for the russian-speaking?

EurAsia Daily is a much smaller media than TASS or RIA Novosti—they have just 11 editors. I think they simply couldn’t afford to translate all news stories into English, so they decided to translate only some of them, but the readership didn’t take off because nobody was interested in such a tiny output, so they abandoned the idea of an English version altogether.

Posted by: S | Jun 8 2022 23:34 utc | 158

Hi 128 oso - Oh so sad so see you BEAR with your loss. I don't want to derail this thread into Bay Aryan (oops) Area politrix, but since you think I should learn before I speak - oh - type, I will respond.

Just one search


ouch - from the sf chronical

The SF Chronic article says that the police UNION (oh god, how can those fascists engage in collective action?!?!) didn't openly support his ouster. I teed up your response right there.

I don't have the time to look at the financial records of the Open Wallet Foundation right now. My bad.

Here are some SF hardcore tunes so you can chill while you lick your wounds.

Police Truck - Dead Kennedys (live) I may have been at that show, but I don't remember.

The Dicks seminal 7" Hate the Police Orignially from Texas, relocated to SF

MDC Dead Cops Full Album Millions of Dead Cops. I have it on vinyl!

Sick Pleasure - Get the MUNI Driver Great band. Speed rules, okay!

Q: Do you know what the difference is between a democrat and a republican?
A: A democrat hasn't been mugged yet!

I think I was at a Bad Posture show at the Sound of Music in the TL way back...maybe it was GG Allen or Flipper, not sure. Had a knife pulled on me. Not fun. I didn't call po po though. SF cops are super mellow. Just look at what's been going on with the smash and grabs in Union Square.

But whatever. I am so glad I moved to LA. Super sick of Bay Aryans - dang - people who identify as living in the Bay Area.

Next the electorate will deal with Gascon. He did such a great job before Chesa. (Is that short for Chester? Aren't his parents sort of, not the greatest parents, depending on one's opinion, I guess.

from NBC, wow

Anyways, oso, oh so sad. But bear with it. It will only get worse. Just rock out to some hardcore and figure your next move. You might not be welcome in the outer avenues, though. I am curious to hear what RSH has to say. I think he lives in the TL.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 8 2022 23:39 utc | 159

Sushi @144--

Thanks for your reply. My intent wasn't to narrow post-WW2 US History to the small portions mentioned. Nor am I going to argue against any of the valid points you raised. My point is to examine the Fantasy Land aspect of it all and try to make it fit into the context of this thread topic. (Have you ever gone to Disneyland and visited its Fantasyland?) The foreign policy being pursued by the USA post-WW2 began during the war but was mostly kept hidden from the public. Indeed, the actual aim of US Foreign Policy since @1876 has diverged between the actual and how it was described for public consumption. So, in reality the lies and distortions go farther back in history to the point where such disinformation became "Traditional" despite what the Constitution said on the issue. Why did Smedley Butler write and publish his pamphlet War is a Racket? Because the truth of what he was being paid to do wasn't being told to citizens, which he considered un-American and treasonous. We can say that he was able to witness the Deep State's initial formation and he did what he could to denounce and stop it. That FDR didn't prosecute any of the Buinessmen's Coup members who took over the nation after his demise is extremely troubling for some historians, including me. Add to that the fact that the event's been very effectively swept under the rug which begs the question: What else was falsified and concealed. For example, why was the Mafia allowed to grow into the big and powerful institution it became? And there are others just as troubling.

There are times I wonder what other historians of the US Empire discovered but never put into print. What content did they self-censor? What unfavorable facts remain sealed in US archives or are hidden by unwarranted security rankings? The very fact that they're sealed or suppressed via security means provides an initial answer but leaves us guessing at the actual content. When did the USA become the Empire of Lies is an outstanding unanswered historical question. Sometime in the 19th Century most likely, but when did it become chronic and part of policy? The 20th Century, but when exactly? Then there's this other begged question: Why must democratic nations have state secrets? If the People are the ultimate Sovereigns, the why are they lied to and have secrets kept from them "for their own good"?

Lots of worms in that can aren't there!

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 8 2022 23:49 utc | 160

Posted by: K | Jun 8 2022 23:14 utc | 150

"I'm seeing a resurgence of pro Trumpers here on the blog..."

I'm seeing some anti-Trumpers too. Just as deplorable....

a) not being anti-Trump is not the same as being pro-Trump
b) I was mainly defending the deplorables as having valid concerns which is why he got voted in (if indeed he did the first time) and not liking their being insulted gratuitously (which turned out to be a misunderstanding!)

I think both Parties in the US are complete shams and as I keep saying the representative republic hasn't been one in a very long time so all those elected officials are somewhat irrelevant.

However, US polity IS relevant to this board because we are in a kinetic and geopolitical contretemps between US-West and Russia-East. The condition of US leadership is relevant. For whatever reason the powers that be seem bent on bringing the country to the point of collapse. Assuming they have a shot, this means that the US-NATO conflict with Russia-Eurasia is doomed, and indeed the US is not a real threat to anyone at all. Unless you think the military and/or the neocons are fighting this collapse thrust.

The only question about Trump is whether he is in on this take-down or not. But either way, it makes no difference so it's not something any of us need bother with. Just as it doesn't matter if Biden is a real President or a total sock puppet nor whether or not he is legitimate. All that matters is what happens and what is happening seems to be a managed decline now alarmingly accelerating.

Whether Trump was/is for real or not he got kicked out despite getting 12 million more votes than the first time around. Several of his supporters are locked in solitary for over a year unlawfully. His ex-aides are persecuted. Good will between the Parties on the street level has entirely broken down. The economy is breaking down. Civil society is breaking down. Etc.

The US is in no position to wage war against anyone and is not going to. Russia is using only about 10% of her forces and winning steadily with seemingly minimal casualty rate and after only three months or so Ukraine looks on the verge of being 'wiped off the map.' The sanctions regime is of far greater geopolitical import and their main effect is to accelerate US and Western collapse.

So all roads lead to US collapse. Which begs the question: is there really a conflict between the two sides?

Being pro or anti Trump is irrelevant because the system in which electing a President might make a substantive difference no longer exists. However, what does it mean for us and the world that America is now an entirely bogus - or rogue if you prefer - nation?

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 8 2022 23:51 utc | 161

Zelinsky reminds me Charles Manson and the Manson family (Arestovic, Biden,...)

Posted by: Chessmaster | Jun 8 2022 23:54 utc | 162

Peter AU1 @154--

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I see nothing capable of stopping Russia at this point short of nuclear war, and that they's "win" since Russia's policy is to protect what it can of its populace.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 8 2022 23:55 utc | 163

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 8 2022 23:00 utc | 143

And don't forget his Bolivian lithium-coup, wot Ivanka may well have some legal exposure over.

Posted by: John Kennard | Jun 8 2022 23:57 utc | 164

exhibits H through Q in the case against "the west is winning the 'psywars'". it won on twitter for a while but other countries run by adults don't give a sh_t. this is like watching an upper echelon druglord get cancer and seeing the sharks he sh_t on to get there circling and waiting.

no matter when russia finishes its "operation" ukraine will be dropped like a hot potato before the next election.

Posted by: the pair | Jun 9 2022 0:03 utc | 165

Q: Do you know what the difference is between a democrat and a republican?
A: A democrat hasn't been mugged yet!

yeah and a republican hasn't had all his cash stolen by the cops (civil asset forfeiture), or had a kid killed in a mistaken address drug raid yet. cops mug people all the time, legally, and they almost always get away with it, or get a suspension with pay while the whitewash is in operation. Ammon Bundy got it, at least for awhile, when he support some of the BLM protests.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 9 2022 0:04 utc | 166

"When did the USA become the Empire of Lies is an outstanding unanswered historical question"
Let me propose a wild guess: When the US claimed to want representation and taxation, freedom, pursuit of happiness and independence, when really most of the leaders and rebel chiefs just wanted to keep slaves and to be able to repel the natives and colonize more of the continent? Would that make sense?

Posted by: Clueless Joe | Jun 9 2022 0:04 utc | 167

Wasn't Biden supposed to be the big foreign policy expert?

Posted by: ian | Jun 9 2022 0:09 utc | 168

I posted on Unz Newslinks a few days ago that according to RT, IND Imported 25 TIMES the Monthly Avg Bbls of Crude from under a Million to 25Million in APR 2022, with 28Million Bbls slated June 2022.

Asia have now surpassed Europe in RUS Crude Imports for the First Time; and that "Trend" just became the Convention.

There will be no Turning Back. RUS, CHN, IND, and Other Asian Countries are going to Crank Up the ₽UB/CN¥/IN₹ Trade Zone.

AUKUS are going to try to Taunt CHN over TWN; but that's going to Blow Up in AUKUS' Faces. Militarily Speaking - and I'm an ex-USNaval Officer who Operated on a Guided Missile Cruiser from JPN, KOR, WESTPAC+IND_Ocean+Persian Gulf and Trained on Nuke Attack Subs for my Midshipman Cruises across the PACIFIC - AUKUS are Desperate if not Insane in trying to contain a newly "Blue Watered" CHN PLAN.

The "Western" Containment Plan looked good on Paper and TV Shows when CHN didn't have a Blue Water(Deep, Trans Oceanic Capable for Civilians) Navy; but the Game has changed. SilkRoad changed Everything; and CHN Settling Scores with TWN/GBR+AUS+NZL for the Win over Oceania is now a distinct Possibility.

That's why the GBRits and AUSsies are Taunting CHN.

Posted by: IronForge | Jun 9 2022 0:09 utc | 169

I think a lot of republicans have been totally f-ed over by law enforcement.
Don't we all look the same?
I am no some bootlicking lover of those in power. I was just speaking about the reality of life in de-industialized USA. I am not sure where you are from but it completely sucks here.
I was just responding to oso's comments.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 9 2022 0:12 utc | 170

what came between the Kennedy assassination (of all the theories, the most outlandish is that really he was a pacifist that wanted to rein in the intel agencies, a total inversion of reality) and the assault on the Carter administration? 2 things, the Church committee in 1975, and as you mentioned, the Turner purge of some of the nutjobs the agency was using). that's what the "intel community" does to presidents and most others it doesn't like, it smears them and buries them (see Assange). This touching myth about that murderous warmonger from a family of warmongers is about as credible as Obama's second term transformation, which to the shock of nobody paying attention, did not occur. The CIA has always been pretty incompetent at wet work, and when they do it they usually contract it out. which is exactly what they are doing in Ukraine, with the nazis.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 9 2022 0:13 utc | 171

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 8 2022 23:27 utc | 155

"To the most recent allegations from Trump and his supporters, I can't even count the number of courts - including some with Trump appointees - who have viewed the alleged 'legitimate' evidence for vote fraud and tossed it out. "

I haven't followed that stuff much after seeing the counting stations close down on election night and Republican observers kept out in many precincts which makes the results fraudulent right there, but am under the impression that nearly all the cases trying to challenge the results were thrown out so no substantive discovery has taken place in any court of law and thus no evidence either.

There have been State Legislature investigations - only a handful I believe - which have found serious anomalies and outright fraud but none of them constitute 'legitimate proof' because only courts do that (I think?). In any case, IMO your statement is a tad hyperbolic albeit typical of the talking points that have been spewed non-stop since around December 2020.

Again, I couldn't care less though I do think it very sad that the election couldn't have been properly audited afterwards especially given the hundreds of millions of questionable mail-in ballots. But again: America isn't a real country any more so again: none of this matters.

But let's agree for the sake of argument that Biden miraculously got all the votes they say he got and it was a good election and Biden is the legitimate winner.

What does THAT say about America????!!

(Personally I think it is worse if he really won than if he didn't!)


Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 9 2022 0:13 utc | 172

Lysias | Jun 8 2022 21:57 utc | 133
but can a fellow have good night in Vegas w/all that?

you still dumb enough to vote

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 9 2022 0:14 utc | 173


That is the third post of bernhard related to global geopolitics ( versus the war on the ground ), the one that matter indeed.

By now , it's pretty clear what the world think about what's happenning in Ukraine :

- in Asia , most country are already in China's orbit, and, like China, calculating the benefits. Main unstable player here is India, but Modi saw the picture on the wall , he just doubled its gaz export from Russia, and refused to bow to the US diktat. Pakistan have been quick regime-changed , almost unnoticed, but the people stand behind Imran Khan in a volatile situation, there is zero chance that pakistanis blow the Karakorum highway from Kashgar to Karashi as in german dump the NS2, and the army in charge know that very well. Interrestingly, even the new leadership in Australia tends towards a more realistic aproach  ( less suicidal..). Consequently, all the tensions between these 3 poles, China, India, Pakistan, have been eased. Japan is feeling loneliness, and must make a choice soon.

- Latin America have been a rollercoaster ( montagnes russes..) for the last twenty years, shifting from right to left to left. Most of the continent is now on the anti imperialist side, they know too well how the uncle Sam abused it, and that time the defiance will last. Even the Bolsonaro crew sensed that. Mexicano AMLO , in the momentary absence of Lula, is taking the lead in telling the yankee to get lost. Nail in the coffin would be a very possible indépendance of the colombian protecorate..

- Africa. is decolonising at fast pace. Chinese banks and company are replacing the World Bank and the IMF , while Russia stepped in to provide the muscle. The fact that demonstrators in Mali, Chad , Burkina , Congo..etc.. are raising the russian flag in the streets should alarm the west. ( but they re so dumb and blind..) Those are not prostestor against their governance, they don't give a fuck about ukraine, they are people rejoicing, sensing, and anticipating the coming demise of the Empire.

And then, dominable and dominated is Europe only, to germany's shame, call it karma if you want, but time has come for the west to feel the pain it inflicted uppon peoples of this world for the last five centuries.

PS : on the « war on the ground » side , they are some high quality reports out there, as most barflies knows : the new atlas, defense politics asia , military summary, history legend... and others.
Thank to some on this site, I d like to point the site Donbass ! Run by a volounter fighter with the DPR. Guy is a kind of french Russel Bentley, his work is not comparable with the one of the french journos at Donbass insider that is more akin to patrick lancaster or philip graham ( kudos to them all ! ). It is really an in depht, precice and detailled military report ( and the best map ) of what's happening in Severodonesk :

Posted by: malamatias | Jun 9 2022 0:15 utc | 174

Posted by: Eugene Debs | Jun 8 2022 19:54 utc | 87

also, bush had a 90% approval rating for some portion of his term, after he acted all bullyboy in Iraq, and that was the source of some of JFK's popularity, when he "faced down the Russians" in Cuba, a totally needless exercise in macho posturing designed to enhance his poll ratings.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 9 2022 0:15 utc | 175

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 9 2022 0:12 utc | 168

then they should stop cheering for the cops every time another cops murders somebody on the street. there is no shortage of cop bootlickers in either party, of course. Amy Klobuchar, iirc, helped that scumbag Chauvin get off from some of his earlier transgressions.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 9 2022 0:17 utc | 176

Jeez all that education and you still don'tknow that Trump is the backside of the Biden coin?

Posted by: K | Jun 8 2022 23:04 utc | 147

Trump is more the flipside of the Obama coin, both fake populists charged with bringing the more unruly elements of their respective parties into the fold.

Posted by: Haassaan | Jun 9 2022 0:17 utc | 177

Fred F @ 17

Following up:

The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Yeats, "The Second Coming"

Apropos for so many issues of international importance involving US decision-makers.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jun 9 2022 0:18 utc | 178

Posted by: Haassaan | Jun 9 2022 0:17 utc | 175

I actually don't think Trump was, I think he was a miscalculation by the Clinton campaign, which is why both parties were out to get him. not that he was a genuine populist, but he made some noises that a genuine populist would have made, and that, coupled with the immense public disgust with Clinton, was enough to get him elected once.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 9 2022 0:21 utc | 179

There's a lot that I don't like about things Trump has done. It's just that I dislike what the Democrats have been doing far more.

But that wasn't the point of my comment. My point was that I am a counterexample refuting the idea that Trump supporters are all uneducated.

Posted by: Lysias | Jun 9 2022 0:22 utc | 180

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 9 2022 0:13 utc | 170

it says we had 2 bowls of shit to vote for in 2016 and 2020, and most other elections. meet the new bowl of shit, same as the old bowl of shit, for the most part.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 9 2022 0:22 utc | 181

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 8 2022 23:49 utc | 158

I don't know exactly when the starting point was, maybe when the US declined to support the Haitian revolution, but when the country ran out of West to conquer, it turned its attention to the world. Spanish American War? the War with Mexico? and Woodrow Wilson gave it a major boost.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 9 2022 0:26 utc | 182

@ Scorpion | Jun 8 2022 22:53 utc | 140 : "I doubt there will be an election in 2024 and expect some sort of huge crisis in the next 12 months engendering emergency conditions such as mass civil unrest or quasi civil war between the police state and the deplorable 'domestic terrorists' which will preclude any voting. Or some such."

First, I sympathize with your suspicion of all political parties and politicians, and I like much of your commentary.

On the question of what's next in the US, the devil is always in the details. The inertia of the US political system is that system's main defense. The elections continue to happen partly because things are constructed in that way and partly because people expect them to go on. So what would be the mechanism of a possible breakdown?

The state, aka the deep state, is incredibly vicious and willing to go to almost any length to stay in power. So far, it hasn't had to bare its fangs and claws against the US public, but it could come to that. Think Egypt 2013, when al-Sisi went in and massacred the people in Rabi`ah al-`Adawiyyah Square, and then arrested and imprisoned tens of thousands. From the side of the deep state, such behavior in the US is possible also. The intentions of the American deep state do not differ at all from the Egyptian deep state.

But the structure of the two is rather different, as Egypt's deep state is thoroughly and centrally dominated by its military elite. The military elite here does not have the same role, and the centers of power are more diffuse. There is the corporate elite who have tended to influence a lot of policy. They tend to include both the actual executives but also the superrich, who are a larger group. There is the military security apparatus, which is more compact but also not necessarily united, as indicated by the many dissenters who have worked in it. It is very hard to prognosticate about how these groups would each react during an upheaval.

Then there are the people, the "deplorables" and others, most of whom are really fed up. But they have stuff, and the rulers have always been able to count on the American people being afraid to risk losing their stuff. All of the people are probably about to be in for a rough ride, however. Will they be willing at last to stand up against a system that is sitting on their necks but offering no benefits?

To some extent, it also boils down to whether the enforcers will obey the orders of their superiors or rather turn their guns on those superiors, as happened dramatically in the French and Russian revolutions. If that were to happen, the revolution would be on and the system would collapse just like the Bourbons and tsardom.

One other factor: While the high generals in the military are all carefully vetted politically to be dyed-in-the-wool imperialists, a lot of the rank-and-file of the officer corps are rather disgusted by the imperialist wars and interventions launched by neocon chickenhawks. Maybe there would be some possibility of a revolt of junior officers against the imperialism as happened in Portugal in 1974, which put an end to the New State regime of Salazar and Caetano there, as well as to the Portuguese Empire, which had long outlived its historical era.

Finally, it would seem to me that the loyalty of the Trump supporters to Trump, about 35% of all the voting public, coupled with the growing intolerance of that part of the electorate and the deep state for each other, might be what breaks things into open violence over 2024, or maybe even 2022 if things go south fast and if the congressional elections become disputed.

Posted by: Cabe | Jun 9 2022 0:26 utc | 183

@174 pretzelattack - I'm not sure who "they" are, but I certainly don't cheer when law enforcement, or anyone else, take a person's life.
The unfortunate realities of the world ( in the USA ) force the 'proles to need law enforcement to deal with the less savory elements of society.
Especially now that they are coming for the guns.
Should I remove that last sentence so as to not derail this conversation further?

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 9 2022 0:28 utc | 184

It is hard to over-emphasise the importance in the NATO Foreign Policy crisis of sheer, amoral opportunism on the part of the Alliance's two principal leaders.

Biden, for example, has staked everything politically (not to mention the family silver actually) on the Ukraine. His presidency has been a disaster for the same reason that his Senatorial career was successful- he knew where his interests lay and pursued them ruthlessly. That this meant the incarceration of millions of black Americans and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, Afghans, Libyans and Syrians (to name but a few) bothered him not in the least. He got his, in the form of demagogic applause, rich donors and a quiet life, and that was all that mattered.
But rats need to be agile and Biden a political rat, having lost his reasoning ability, collapsed completely into the hands of advisors of the Blinken, Samantha Power, Susan Rice kind who, while they can follow a rat's trail by the crumbs, are totally out of their depth in a world in which real people like Putin, Lavrov and Xi are at large.
That Biden is going down to defeat is of no importance, not even to him, for he is past caring. The problem is that his teleprompter feed is very likely to go to war against Russia. Indeed it already has: the choice is entirely with the Russians whether, when and how to react to the series of casus belli vomited forth from Washington.

If Biden is tragedy, then his UK equivalent, Johnson, tying his political fortune to Zelensky and bullying Ukraine into allowing its fascist nature to run wild, is a rather grubby farceur. Unlike Biden, however, who is protected by an Empire's deterrence, Johnson is volunteering the UK into a war in which it cannot possibly take part. Winning it, even in a drug fueled dream, is not an option. But then Johnson, like Zelensky, is not Churchill he just plays him on TV.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 9 2022 0:30 utc | 185

US has to give back stolen oil back to Iran, Greek Court Rules. What Next? So Iran keeps the Greek oil they took and thats legal?

Posted by: Roger | Jun 9 2022 0:30 utc | 186

But let's agree for the sake of argument that Biden miraculously got all the votes they say he got and it was a good election and Biden is the legitimate winner.

What does THAT say about America????!!

(Personally I think it is worse if he really won than if he didn't!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 9 2022 0:13 utc | 170

It says we're f*cked, and we deserve it. Most of us anyway. ;-)

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 9 2022 0:37 utc | 187

Posted by: IronForge | Jun 9 2022 0:09 utc | 167

According to Wikipedia, China has commissioned this year 3 Cruisers,and 2 Destroyers with third destroyer and a Helicopter Landing dock undergoing sea trials. In addition there are 3 attack submarines listed as fitting out and well as a fourth cruiser, 4 more Destroyers and 3 frigates. It is still June. There is still under construction a third aircraft carrier and 6 submarines

AUKUS wants to poke this dragon!!!!!

Posted by: watcher | Jun 9 2022 0:38 utc | 188

Lysias | Jun 9 2022 0:22 utc | 178
what people learn from school is participation. successful participation if you are "good".

you are free to have your opinions about your "disagreements" about this or that or the other.

but what you learned from your JD is that one must, must, must vote either Kamala Harris or D Trump. how much they are clones of each other is measured, among many other things, by their unwavering support for Israel, though trump more casually drops anti-semitic and racist and sexist remarks. no fewer children are in prison b/c liberal fascists are offended by how crude one Ivy league grad (Trump) is compared to another.

people vote for whoever promises to defend their property. who said that? Hannah Arendt?

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 9 2022 0:39 utc | 189

"If one can defeat himself he need not be defeated by another." - Joe Tzu

Posted by: Citizenfitz | Jun 9 2022 0:40 utc | 190

b needs to publish a Joe Tzu book of quotations. We can deduct our contributions from the money he makes!

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 9 2022 0:44 utc | 191

"Egypt's deep state is thoroughly and centrally dominated by its military elite." Cabe@181

Egypt's military, like those of many other countries around the world is controlled by US agents. The Pentagon, curiously enough, is relatively independent, which is why it is often far less enthusiastic for wars than those like the NATO states which, for the most part, see themselves as at the Empire's disposal.
Is there not evidence of this in the provocative actions taken by the Baltic states and Poland which could be seen as inspired by US actors trying to trap the Pentagon into making war like moves that it has no desire to risk?
In the US, as in NATO, the inmates are running rings around the professional staff of the asylum

Posted by: bevin | Jun 9 2022 0:47 utc | 192

Posted by: Cabe | Jun 9 2022 0:26 utc | 181

Good comment. I personally don't see Trump managing to run again in 2024, if - as you and Scorpion have discussed - there's an election at all. I'm leaning toward "yes" and I don't anticipate major violence, but that depends on what happens between now and then.

100% spot-on with the part about "mah stuff!" As long as the proles are comfortable enough with whatever property they own and with the mainstream delusion of America being some sort of exceptional shining city on the hill (and I mean ever, dating back to US independence, but with many milestones along the way where big power cemented itself - and the inertia you reference), then there won't be any massive uprising. That isn't to say that a substantial minority (ex. 35%) won't get violent sooner than others - in many cases on the basis of their own illusions/delusions (see the 2000 presidential election) - but what remains to be seen is *how* violent and *how* widespread it is. That's what will determine whether anything is going to change for the better (or more likely, worse).

A fish rots from the head down, and to one extent or another, the American government has always been a rotting fish, depending on who you asked and when. Nowadays Uncle Scam has effectively codified utter lack of accountability for the rich and powerful (on the local, state and national/foreign policy levels).

Back quickly to the Trump 2020 phenomenon, and this doesn't apply to anyone I can think of at MoA, what annoyed me the most were the people who - like the Brooks Brothers rioters in 2000 - are perfectly comfortable personifying the ridiculous levels of entitlement when their guy loses - which flows down from the top. Many Americans are simply used to getting their way and throwing a tantrum if they don't. In past cases some of those tantrums have been incredibly violent and some have been more benign. But I do see a series of increasingly violent tantrums coming among proles like myself, carried out by groups and individuals who are rightfully angry about what their government really stands for, but for mostly the wrong reasons. It's all part of the divide-and-conquer strategy that our oligarch/corporate/bankster-owned political class has been using forever to crush a real working man's rebellion.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 9 2022 0:48 utc | 193

@ karlof1 - thanks for those maria dispatches... bang on.. she is very bright and i too hope she doesn't change her role here, but if she was to get promoted, i am sure it would be a very smart choice too!

@ Aslangeo | Jun 8 2022 21:36 utc | 122

yes, but i skipped over that with woogs.. thanks..

@ Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 8 2022 22:56 utc | 142

hey tom.. i live in canada, but from my pov carter was the last decend president the usa had... it was mostly all downhill after that...

@ Lysias | Jun 9 2022 0:22 utc | 178

lysias.. i appreciate your posts and thanks for saying all you say.... i admire someone who has studied and done what you have... my main thing is a person having some critical abilities and being able to stand apart and formulate an independent viewpoint.. you strike me this way... ignore those who disparage you for whatever reason..

Posted by: james | Jun 9 2022 0:52 utc | 194

And I still cannot - in my personal life or 'online' - manage to get a single Trump supporter to say they acknowledge his ultimately leading role in formalizing Julian Assange's persecution. It's easy with Democrats and liberals. They're just f*ckin fine with it and will say so openly. But the conservatives who spoke out on Assange's behalf during the Obama years have gone deafeningly silent after Trump started nailing his coffin closed.

Biden is a scumbag and swamp creature, but Trump wasn't too far off and in his own ways was worse. He just can't be that smart or a good businessman if he allowed himself to be forced to hire Pimpeous, Bolton or Abrams. Nah, he actually isn't a dummy. He *wanted* those people in his cabinet just like he wanted to finalize the theft of Palestine on behalf of the Zionazis who also figured very prominently in his cabinet.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 9 2022 0:54 utc | 196

What a super analysis. Really Glad to be one of your supporters.

Posted by: Harfang67 | Jun 9 2022 0:56 utc | 197

Lysias | Jun 9 2022 0:22 utc | 178
another product of a successful education believes that the MIC, the police, the prison state, the surveillance state, the Amazon cloud contracts, the fossil fuel subsidies, etc., etc., etc., are going to be VOTED OUT OF POWER.

they don't have all those guns so you or any person or group can vote them out.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 9 2022 0:57 utc | 198

Peter AU1 #108

"I think this operation is not just to destroy the nazi's of Ukraine, but also the economies of their backers."

Definitely that. One must be patient when hunting and especially when you seek a twofer or perhaps a threefer. All of one's hunting allies have to be loaded and clear to proceed.

The WEF is beginning to look like a Western World Immiseration Forum.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 9 2022 0:59 utc | 199

Just as tedious -- and useless -- as the endless Hatfield-vs-McCoying on the issue of climate change is that regarding the 2020 elections. Look, folks: The use of eminently hackable electronic voting machines precludes the possibility of evidence. The much-ballyhooed paper trail is meaningless; voting machines can easily be programmed to yield paper results at variance with the votes the poor schmuck thought (s)he was casting, and even if you're given a printout of your electronic vote to proof and stick in a ballot box, you have no guarantee that the next piece of electronic wizardry will record your dots faithfully. (The same goes for mail-in ballots of course.) Oh, and a purely electronic trail isn't even meaningless.

So who "really" won? Maybe Trump did, although I'm inclined to think Biden did. There really was a tidal wave of revulsion against Trump in several sectors of the population, which the folks in God's Country tend to overlook because, heck, they worked so hard to keep those sectors from being able to vote in the first place. (They've been working much harder, and much more successfully, since then, which is almost pointless because the only way the Dims can win in 2022, and almost certainly 2024 as well, would be via massive vote fraud.)

Does it really matter? Yeah, if you're a cheerleader for Team Red or Team Blue. If you're a sentient human being, not so much.

Quite frankly, I think both parties demonstrate their contempt for the American public by not insisting on honest and transparent elections. In fact, I think both parties are deeply devoted to making sure that honest and transparent elections do not, will not, and cannot occur.

Oh, and Scorpion, what's this bit about "hundreds of millions of questionable mail-in ballots" in "the [2020] election"? Do you have any idea how large the American voting population really is?

Posted by: malenkov | Jun 9 2022 1:01 utc | 200

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