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June 28, 2022
Another Zelensky Lie Debunked – White House Says Ukraine Must Give Up Territory

Yesterday I mentioned the burning shopping center in Kremenchuk, Ukraine, of which the Ukrainian president Zelensky falsely claimed that thousand people had been inside.

I asked:

Satellite pictures show that the shopping center is right next to the large Kredmash machine plant. Was that the real target of the attack with the shopping center being an unintended casualty?

It has now been confirmed that the answer to my question is 'yes'.

Today's report on the war by the Russian Defense Ministry says:

On June 27, in Kremenchug (Poltava region), Russian Aerospace Forces launched a high-precision air attack at hangars with armament and munitions delivered by USA and European countries at Kremenchug road machinery plant.

High-precision attack has resulted in the neutralisation of west-manufactured armament and munitions concentrated at the storage area for being delivered to Ukrainian group of troops in Donbass.

Detonation of the storaged munitions caused a fire in a non-functioning shopping centre next to the facilities of the plant.

Ahhh – "don't trust the Russians!" you say. Well, don't trust anyone I say, just scrutinize the facts.

The Ukrainians have published surveillance video from a park catching the moments of the two explosions. A large flash appears and people are running away as some debris falls down.

The park is around an artificial lake with an island in the middle that can be reached by a bridge. There is a small round building on the island.


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Here is a Google satellite view of the whole scene.


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The light gray shopping center roof can be seen south of the large Kredmash machine plant in the center. The small park from which the surveillance videos come is directly north of it. Google has marked it in green as some special recreational space. The factory has direct rail access at its southern side with several rail tracks for loading and unloading machinery. Rail access makes it an ideal space for preparing or repairing heavy weapons. It seems that the railway area was one of the two targets.

Still not convinced? Well, here is video from a Ukrainian TV station taken on the factory grounds. It is showing a crater and the debris of the factory. The areas where it was hit are pretty much destroyed.


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According to the Ukrainian emergence services the attack has caused the death of 16 people and wounded 59. So most of Zelensky's 'thousand' people inside the shopping center must have either survived or never existed at all with the later being the more likely case.

The shopping center was obviously as empty as its large empty parking space I mentioned yesterday. It somehow came on fire after the factory next door was bombed. Those who died were most likely soldiers or factory workers who were preparing 'western' weapons for delivery to the front.

Zelensky's lie has been debunked just as the other horror fictions he has told about Russians.

Meanwhile the White House is preparing for a retreat from Ukraine. CNN headlines:

Biden officials privately doubt that Ukraine can win back all of its territory

The piece is by the 'deranged conspiracy theorist and scandal plagued CIA propagandist' Natasha Bertrand. That makes it an official administration position.

(CNN) – White House officials are losing confidence that Ukraine will ever be able to take back all of the land it has lost to Russia over the past four months of war, US officials told CNN, even with the heavier and more sophisticated weaponry the US and its allies plan to send.

Advisers to President Joe Biden have begun debating internally how and whether Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky should shift his definition of a Ukrainian "victory" — adjusting for the possibility that his country has shrunk irreversibly.

US officials emphasized to CNN that this more pessimistic assessment does not mean the US plans to pressure Ukraine into making any formal territorial concessions to Russia in order to end the war. There is also hope that Ukrainian forces will be able to take back significant chunks of territory in a likely counteroffensive later this year.

That 'counteroffensive later this year' seems very unlikely to me. When the Russian forces see any buildup for one they will destroy it before it can take off.

The Ukraine will not regain any of the territory that the Russians do not want it to regain. It isn't in the position to do so militarily nor through negotiations. It will simply have to accept defeat and give up on the east and south and accept the loss of the source of 70-80% of its former GDP.

All this was completely foreseeable since the very first day of the war.

Comments

there is a real delay now in posting.. interesting… refresh doesn’t work as when i refresh i see nothing… this is for others to note and note to self of course…

Posted by: james | Jun 28 2022 19:48 utc | 101

@ eyeswideopen | Jun 28 2022 19:36 utc | 94
No, Erdogan is good at this, behind all the talk about “kurdish terrorists” in Sweden and Finland, it’s access to US military hardware he’s been after – and you can bet your grandmother on that his wishes has been fulfilled.

Posted by: Cato | Jun 28 2022 19:48 utc | 102

What’s with the Russian formula of “something and something”, it’s pretty common, is it just for emphasis?

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 28 2022 19:50 utc | 103

Was there any doubt of Erdogan caving?
Posted by: eyeswideopen | Jun 28 2022 19:36 utc | 94
Caving?
Sweden and Finland gave him what he wanted!
(Or at least they said they would)

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 28 2022 19:52 utc | 104

Posted by: james | Jun 28 2022 19:41 utc | 97
Erdogan has a very powerful card, the straits, and he knows how to play it. Our just as important strait is occupied by the anglo saxons, Gibraltar by the UK and Rota on the entrance by the US. Today they collected another pound of flesh by introducing more hardware into Rota, expansion of significant forces.
At the same time the US encourage our most probable military rival Morocco to harass us, with Occupied Palestine in the game too, our gas supply in jeopardy for antagonizing our supplier Algeria, to make it brief our national interest is of no concern, and with a smile please, the gang of functionaries will oblige, of course.

Posted by: Paco | Jun 28 2022 19:56 utc | 105

Posted by: Redrider | Jun 28 2022 19:00 utc | 82
Fits with the claims that the news item was indexed with google before the attack.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 28 2022 19:57 utc | 106

@102
But Erdo won’t get F35 he funded and wanted. Some old f16 maybe, some day, not soon.
At the same time he wants another S-400 from Russia and offered to buy S-500 too. S-500 isn’t for export and won’t be for decades. S-550 maybe, some day.
His biggest problem is inflation and poverty. I don’t think he can trick people for much longer. He needs Russia for imports and exports, tourism, badly. We need more info to understand but he’s also a bit crazy so…

Posted by: rk | Jun 28 2022 19:58 utc | 107

sippy the shot glass @54: “That refusal [Russia refusing to cease the military operation in exchange for territory] will be inflated into ingratitude, insult and permission for escalation.”
Yes, that is my expectation too. This is why I think we in the West are headed for some very grim times.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 28 2022 20:00 utc | 108

our national interest is of no concern, and with a smile please, the gang of functionaries will oblige, of course.
Posted by: Paco | Jun 28 2022 19:56 utc | 105
In what world is any of this not high treason?
Do we even get ANYTHING at all out of this?
Seriously, it’s some “why are you hitting yourself?” bullshit.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 28 2022 20:00 utc | 109

WilliamGruff@83…execution may be off the table as the LDNR may change their laws on execution regarding forigen mercenaries. This may be a move to get the Mercs to surrender rather than fight to the death.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 28 2022 20:00 utc | 110

-What are a Turk, an Argentinian and a Spaniard doing together at 3 AM?
-Talking in the Tongue of the Empire.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 28 2022 20:02 utc | 111

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 28 2022 19:52 utc | 104
Plus something more substantial, words are fine, but I think Erdogan is a “muslo y pechuga*” kind of fellow.
*Where is the beef?

Posted by: Paco | Jun 28 2022 20:03 utc | 112

An interview in Gazeta, lately highly Russo-hate Polish MSM. It is long, but interesting.

Gen. Mieczysław Gocuł: the NATO summit is to convince us that we will win the war with Russia if, or rather when, it breaks out
I am very concerned that the NATO summit in Madrid is going in the wrong direction. Instead of looking for ways to win peace, because this is the essence of the problem of the eastern flank, the summit is to convince us that we will win the future war if, or rather when, it happens – says Gen. Mieczysław Gocuł, former Chief of the General Staff of the Polish Army.
First of all: NATO at the 2014 summit in Newport, by creating the Readiness Action Plan, increased the Response Force to 40,000. soldiers – including land, sea, air, space and cyber components. Now, in 2021-22 (because the Russians mobilized their forces for this war in October last year) we have a war. And what happened on NATO’s eastern flank? US troops arrived, but importantly, the NATO Response Force did not arrive. And yet, if Russia’s invasion of Ukraine close to our borders did not cause a reaction by the NATO Response Force, then it is necessary to ask the head of NATO whether the Alliance’s crisis response procedures have been launched at all.
If the Pact triggered them, after the initiating phase (conflict detection), it would be necessary to move on to the next phase: strategic assessment by the commander of the combined NATO forces in Europe. Such an assessment should be presented by the commander at a meeting of the North Atlantic Council (NAC – NATO’s most important decision-making body). After all, this assessment would be simple: Russia brought out over 150,000. soldiers and launched an invasion of Ukraine. It was therefore to be expected that the NAC would share the commander’s assessment. The next step in NATO’s crisis response should be to use Response Options Development. But nothing like that happened. We in Poland and the Baltic states understand the threat, but the approach of other NATO states is diametrically different.
Unfortunately, even those US troops now on the eastern flank have never been placed under NATO command. Thus, the Alliance’s nerve, or command structure, has not been mobilized to coordinate the actions of the NATO Response Force, which also has not been deployed. So what if we have 40,000 in NATO? The Response Forces if they haven’t moved?
And have you heard that the famous NATO Spearhead (Very High Readiness Joint Task Force – VJTF) appears in Poland or in the Baltic States? Also not. And yet it was created in 2014 – after Russia’s war in the Donbas and the annexation of Crimea – and was supposed to react within 72 hours.
Since 40 thousand. did not move, it’s 300,000 it won’t move either. Since even the spearhead has not moved with the current state of leadership in the member states and NATO itself?
Yes. It is not a question of the number of declared forces, but of the lack of a decision. It is similar with our army – the key is not whether we have 100 or 300 thousand. soldiers, but what capabilities the military has and whether it has the ability to stop the Russian invasion. Let’s forget about numbers. When humans flew with stone spears, the actual number was decisive. But not now.
You complain, and Jens Stoltenberg announces: “The NATO summit in Madrid will be groundbreaking. With a new strategic concept, we will make a fundamental change in NATO’s deterrence and defense.”
Before the NATO summit in Warsaw (2016), at the Pact’s military committee, I asked Stoltenberg: what will be the guarantees for the eastern flank? He replied with a question: what else does Poland expect? I said straight: security and prosperity, which is what the rest of the sitting at table wants.
Just like then, I hear the same slogans today, such as “do more with less”, and there are also other nice-sounding calls, but these are only political slogans calculated for a positive social perception and minimizing costs – but they do not really bring any political and military solutions.
No breakthrough in NATO, even if there is a real risk of a war with Russia?
If Stoltenberg says it will be a turning point, it is probably just for him. Because it will be the last summit with him as the head of the Pact. The summit will definitely not be a breakthrough, because – first of all – NATO does not want to take a big step forward.
What should happen for a breakthrough to become a reality?
Let’s be honest: if there is to be a breakthrough, we should have 360 ​​degrees of security for the Alliance – on each of its borders. And let’s also honestly answer the question: is the eastern flank safe – are Poland and the Baltic states safe? Well, we are not safe – NATO does not give us security now and the current summit in Madrid will not change that. And yet such slogans – of complete security – had already been spoken at the previous summits of the Pact in Brussels, Warsaw and Newport. It always ended up with security slogans. This time it will also be like that.
Now the tension between Russia and Lithuania is growing, because the sanctions are blocking the Kaliningrad Oblast more and more. Could this be a hotspot?
If Putin wanted to start the war further and decided to cut a corridor through the Balts to the Kaliningrad District at the Suwałki Isthmus, what forces could stop him? Could the forces of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Poland stop Putin? Well not. Putin will not be stopped by the Americans, who are present on the eastern flank only in small numbers. I repeat, Russia talks and counts only with strong countries and organizations. And NATO in our region is weak.
NATO is not strong on the eastern flank, but does it have enormous potential, which it does not want to transfer to our region?
NATO has military potential, but does not have the political potential to use it to build real security in our part of Europe. European leaders are not equal to the task. I don’t want to criticize individual leaders, but the role of statesmen is to make difficult but necessary decisions.
These leaders do not seem to understand that the war in Ukraine has already caused hundreds of billions of euros in damage, and will still bring trillions of damage to the entire global world. It will also bring hunger and the millions of victims of hunger that Russia is blackmailing the world with. If the leaders thought seriously, they would very quickly make decisions about the forward and enhanced presence of NATO on the eastern flank, so that it could carry out specific operational tasks, which we are able to precisely define to ensure security. However, for this to be possible, a NATO division should be stationed in Poland.
After the NATO summit in Warsaw (2016), we formally created an international division in Poland – it should be linked to the chain of command and be subordinate to the Multinational Corps Northeast in Szczecin, which is a rapid reaction corps. And this corps should be subordinate to the Allied Command of NATO’s Joint Forces in Brunssum, so that NATO would be responsible for the security of the eastern flank.
And what would result from this?
And the fact that the allied troops arriving on the eastern flank would be tied to the NATO chain of command. Today, after all, the battalion battle groups present in Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia as a result of the NATO summit in Warsaw are not even commanded by NATO, but by individual member states. Everything should be tense, but it isn’t.
The Estonian prime minister says: “Estonia (in the event of an attack by Russia) would be wiped off the map of Europe and its capital razed to the ground”, and NATO’s strategy follows the principle of “lose and then liberate”. And this is what it would be like in the event of the Russian invasion of the Baltic states?
This, unfortunately, is true.
But let’s start with the basic thing: what is the definition of security? It is the freedom to choose the path of development of the country. After all, what we have today on the eastern flank – in Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia – is a contradiction of security. There is no free development, there are a lot of restrictions, there is a huge pressure to increase defense spending. And if there is no security, it means that NATO is not meeting the goals set out in the Washington Treaty, so NATO is not a strategic concept today.
The gradation in the validity of the documents is clear: the Washington Treaty, NATO’s strategic concept and MC400 (Military Implementation of the Alliance’s Strategic Concept), i.e. the military implementation of the Alliance’s strategic concept.
And in your opinion today is it fiction?
If Stoltengerg is reading correctly the Treaty and the Charter of the United Nations, to which the preamble to the Treaty refers, then he should be aware: NATO was not created to reflect NATO territory. And today it would be forced to do so, because it is not able to defend the territory of not only Estonia, but also Poland. It must be emphasized that NATO was created to defend NATO territory – to prevent the conflict from escalating and, as a result, from taking over at least part of NATO territory by the enemy.
However, there was already a lot of declarations that NATO would defend every scrap of the territory of a member state. In fact, it is impossible?
Today, NATO is actually saying that we will not give up any land to Russia. However, this is a story of fairy tales, and Putin probably laughs at it. Because what did NATO – apart from rhetoric and many Stoltenberg conferences – do about the war in Ukraine? NATO has a spearhead – did not send. NATO has a Response Force of 40,000. soldiers – they didn’t move. NATO has a command system – it has not moved. And if NATO wants to increase its Response Force to 300,000 and whoever thinks it will be OK, it sounds like a joke, because 300,000 wouldn’t move either.
One should also pay attention to the condition of our army, which would also have trouble moving. The operational units are stripped by the territorial defense forces, we have a shortage of officer cadres, problems with mobilization, and a broken crisis response system. We have announcements of huge purchases of weapons and the propaganda creation of a new division, but I dare to suspect that we are not able to deploy as many highly completed units as we declare for the NATO table of forces.
You paint a dramatic picture of the lack of determination and strength of NATO and the Polish army.
And the direction in which the NATO summit in Madrid is going will absolutely not ensure the security of the eastern flank. Even if there will be 300 thousand. Declared Response Forces, with 30-day supplies, ready to go to operational on the eastern flank, they will continue to be stationed where they are now stationed.
Is Poland and the Baltic states today – in a threatening situation – satisfied with the fact that somewhere in Spain or Italy there are units that are to arrive when Putin starts the war and enters our territories? After all, our waiting will be at least two weeks before the Forces take off, another two weeks before they sail or come, a week before they integrate. By then, it will be swept away, NATO will recapture the ruins and uncover the crimes of the Russians.
At the plenary session of the NATO military committee – before the summit in Warsaw – I argued to the Americans: if you want a NATO Response Force in Spain, they will sleep in their shoes and with rifles in their hands, and they will come to Poland too late anyway. I proposed: the forward presence of these troops on the eastern flanks is needed, so that the soldiers sleep in their pajamas, train and relax, but if there is a threat, they will get dressed in one day, have time to eat, get their equipment and go to the front.
It took Putin over a year to collect 150,000 soldiers on the border with Ukraine – maybe this is the time to transfer NATO troops from Spain or Italy to the eastern flank?
I will answer, without violating the official secrecy. There used to be an incident in the Baltic Sea: over 30 Russian ships suddenly appeared on it. Total surprise. And yet ships at sea are not a tank that can be hidden in the forest. If more than 30 such ships went to sea and NATO knew nothing about it, will NATO be able to react quickly enough when Putin really wants to attack?
There were also the Zapad 2013 exercises. The Russians declared 12.5 soldiers, and gathered 140,000 soldiers. – the entire industrial and defense complex of Russia. Out of nowhere. What was the Alliance’s response? In 2013, NATO organized exercises on the eastern flank – how many NATO soldiers exercised? 1.3 thousand soldiers from the French Rapid Reaction Corps from Lille trained in Drawsko.
So are NATO guarantees mostly on paper and little response capacity?
If anyone says that by increasing the declared number of soldiers of the NATO Response Force to 300,000 and also that we want to increase the size of our own army to 300,000, we will ensure our own safety, says nonsense. If someone says that the Polish army will be so strong that it will win the war with Russia, that is also gibberish. Well, with the same NATO forces on the eastern flank and our army, the Russians will demolish the country.
I am very concerned that the NATO summit in Madrid is going in the wrong direction. Instead of looking for ways to win peace, because this is the crux of the eastern flank problem, the summit is to convince us that we will win the future war if, or rather when, it occurs. This rhetoric ended as we see it in Ukraine.
However, it is to increase support for the eastern flank.
But it will only cement the status quo. And the status quo is that NATO has done nothing to prevent a future war between Russia and NATO on the eastern flank.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 28 2022 20:11 utc | 113

Arganthonios@111
Argentina wants to join Brics, Zakharova mentioned it yesterday.In other words, Argentina just showed the middle finger to the Anglos.
On the other hand,the Spaniards are playing in the same side as the ones that are occupying Gibraltar/put a gun in Spains head in 1898.Shameful and sad for those of us who come from the Spanish speaking world.

Posted by: Alejo | Jun 28 2022 20:16 utc | 114

Paco #12
Thank you, well said. Seventy years of collective work, just given away by clowns with no vision. Sad but recovered and improved by that same hard work. It is good to see the nazi losers crushed again.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 28 2022 20:21 utc | 115

https://youtu.be/dpDrt56hPX0
This video was posted today on YouTube.
Can anyone confirm if this is really recorded recently (shopping centre is supposed to be closed for 4 months) or was it recorded before the war started and just uploaded now after the attack?
They are shopping grocery, the prices are visible, they also fill the cars tank.

Posted by: Mojibake | Jun 28 2022 20:22 utc | 116

Why are they storing NATO weapons in a city center with civilians nearby? This is the nature of war. There is a moral difference in war between the concepts intended and merely foreseen as has been discussed centuries ago by various writers. The West is using this as propaganda to sway the weak minded. If NATO cared about Ukrainians:
1. They wouldn’t have broken their word by expanding the alliance eastward.
2. They would have put pressure on Ukraine to keep the Minsk agreements rather than use the agreements as a means to buy time to get a NATO foothold in Ukraine.
3. They would have engaged in diplomacy, rather than ignore the Russian demands for security guarantees and dictate to Russia unreasonable rules.
4. They wouldn’t be selling arms to prolong the war and fight a NATO war to the last Ukrainian, as has been explicitly stated by politicians.
5. They wouldn’t store weapons and munitions near civilians using them as human shields and propaganda devices.
The West cannot even keep it’s own liberal, moral philosophy of treating others as an end and not merely as a means. The West has become the evil we hate with an oligarchy leading us down a foolish path and it needs to be defeated to allow for political reform and cultural/moral change.

Posted by: Prometheus | Jun 28 2022 20:23 utc | 117

sean the leprechaun @110
Mercs don’t have to fight to the death. They can just leave. The conventions on treatment of legitimate prisoners of war is based on the fact that normal soldiers don’t have a choice about service in their country’s military. They are soldiers fulfilling their duty to their nation.
It is wise to treat captured regular soldiers well because their only choices are fight or surrender. You want to make surrender an attractive option. Mercenaries have a third choice, which is just to leave. To make leaving an attractive option it should be made known that they will be brutally exterminated when they are captured.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 28 2022 20:28 utc | 118

From July 1, for the first time in 8 years, regular bus and rail links between Crimea, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions will open.
Buses will start running in express mode daily:
1) Simferopol – Kherson
2) Simferopol – Melitopol
3) Simferopol – Berdyansk:
Trains:
1) Dzhankoy – Kherson
2) Dzhankoy – Melitopol
This means those regions will stay permanently with Russian Federation.

Posted by: ostro | Jun 28 2022 20:35 utc | 119

Telegram channel of Alina Lipp, an independent German journalist reporting from Donetsk: https://t.me/s/neuesausrussland (in German and Russian).

Posted by: S | Jun 28 2022 20:38 utc | 120

The agreement between Turkey, Finland and Sweden.
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1541856195257966592

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 28 2022 20:40 utc | 122

The joint declaration signed by Sweden and Finland are quite precise but this isn’t a binding treaty.
So guess we will continue to talk about these issues and will see if respective countries uphold them.
https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1541857935214743553

Posted by: Oui | Jun 28 2022 20:41 utc | 123

“I am very concerned that the NATO summit in Madrid is going in the wrong direction. Instead of looking for ways to win peace, because this is the crux of the eastern flank problem, the summit is to convince us that we will win the future war if, or rather when, it occurs.”
Posted by: ostro | Jun 28 2022 20:11 utc | 113
This is too funny for words. Polish general discusses NATO using logic. Either he did not get the memo that logic is cancelled in Natostan, or he is part of an alternative agenda. Which is it?

Posted by: Pagan | Jun 28 2022 20:48 utc | 124

@ Paco | Jun 28 2022 19:56 utc | 105
thanks.. i am sorry to hear spain is as much a vassal as canada is here…
@ Peter AU1 | Jun 28 2022 20:40 utc | 123
thanks peter…. quote “Sweden and Finland confirm that there are no arms embargoes against Turkey.’ oh that is so sweet of them!! sweden displayed its hand over the issue of assange… i know what a viper looks like too..

Posted by: james | Jun 28 2022 20:51 utc | 125

The earliest NATOland will undertake a counteroffensive is Spring 2024

Posted by: Exile | Jun 28 2022 20:52 utc | 126

Posted by: Pagan | Jun 28 2022 20:48 utc | 125
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He is concerned because fools are running the show at NATO, starting with Stoltenberg…😏

Posted by: ostro | Jun 28 2022 20:56 utc | 127

ostro @113–
Thanks so much for that comic relief. Clearly, Gen. Mieczysław Gocuł hasn’t a clue about the reality that surrounds him. Not only does he believe Outlaw US Empire, Polish and Baltic propaganda, but NATO and EU propaganda too. He doesn’t seem to understand that the EU is anti-development, that its 100% exploitative as well as NATO, that his nation has zero sovereignty, that his nation is a colony of the Outlaw US Empire. It’s almost as if people like him are drug-addled 100% of the time. IMO, he’s not fit to command a squad.
As for NATO, it’s head is merely a PR dude with zero military experience, which is why you get the noted results. Again, the Poles are on the losing side because they can’t think straight. It seems to be a defect amongst the peoples of that region–Nordic and Baltic–yet the Russians seem immune. It’s easy to see why Russia doesn’t want to go any further West than Ukraine–most people beyond there are deranged; and thinking you can govern a deranged people is itself deranged and something already tried with the lesson learned.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 28 2022 20:58 utc | 128

Steiner will make his counterattack soon

Posted by: kalton | Jun 28 2022 20:59 utc | 129

This may be a move to get the Mercs to surrender rather than fight to the death.
Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Jun 28 2022 20:00 utc | 110
Yeah, but a few executions will SERIOUSLY deter more mercs from coming out helping to precipitate the current Ukie Gov getting turfed.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 28 2022 21:01 utc | 130

S @121–
Thanks for providing her Telegram. I tried to find her sites after this SCF article highlighted her work.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 28 2022 21:05 utc | 131

That Turkey stuff is disappointing but possible Johnson had made a deal with Turkey to hold up Sweden and Finland as consolation prices at the very end when the battle in Ukraine was turning desperate. BoJo made deals with Sweden and Finkand over military protection during this “great period”, which might suggest that BoJo knew what Erdo was up to. Perhaps Turkey is being bought with the sanctioned oil that has to be imported from India to the EU.

Posted by: Jonathan W | Jun 28 2022 21:05 utc | 132

Mercs don’t have to fight to the death. They can just leave.
Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 28 2022 20:28 utc | 118
I watched a video by one of the two Brits just given the death sentence shortly after he surrendered. He said he tried to leave but was not allowed. I seem to remember another video – and I watch very few Ukraine war videos but was curious to hear what an English-speaking merc might have to say – with a merc who made it back over the border to Poland which was surprisingly difficult because he was not allowed to leave. It seems once you sign up there you are similar to a conscript – at least these low-level mercs were.
A few death sentences carried out soon would sure discourage more mercs from coming out…

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 28 2022 21:11 utc | 133

2. They would have put pressure on Ukraine to keep the Minsk agreements rather than use the agreements as a means to buy time to get a NATO foothold in Ukraine.
Posted by: Prometheus | Jun 28 2022 20:23 utc | 117
The “””concessions””” that the Minsk agreements provided in favor of the Donbass are virtually the same conditions every Spanish region enjoys.
That Kievite hierarchs found it intolerable very aptly reflects not only that they’re a wad of rancid Nazi spooge, they’re also profoundly retarded, their interocular distance is minimal, and deserve to be shot.
That Eurocrats were incapable or unwilling to coax them into implementing these MILDER THAN VANILLA ICECREAM resolutions, also reflects that they’re as useless as a haircomb for bald people; and also deserve to be shot.
Preferably out of a cannon and into a Berlin Wall remnant.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 28 2022 21:14 utc | 134

Posted by: m | Jun 28 2022 20:29 utc | 119
Guter Punkt. Aber auf der Eliteebene stehen die meisten großen Akteure einander näher als ihren eigenen Leuten und/oder politischen Rivalen. Sieht so aus, als wäre es Zeit für ein paar persönliche Gespräche, also ist dies eine Möglichkeit, dies zu erreichen …
(tr. by Google Translate!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 28 2022 21:15 utc | 135

Posted by: Alejo | Jun 28 2022 20:16 utc | 114
It’s just a joke regarding the ubiquity of English, it’s got years already and isn’t supposed to reflect Argentinian political positions, much less of the present time.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 28 2022 21:21 utc | 136

On the other hand,the Spaniards are playing in the same side as the ones that are occupying Gibraltar/put a gun in Spains head in 1898.Shameful and sad for those of us who come from the Spanish speaking world.
Posted by: Alejo | Jun 28 2022 20:16 utc | 114
And I agree wholeheartedly with this.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 28 2022 21:22 utc | 137

Sounding a Fanfare!! Ta-Da!! Introducing “The Tin Curtain,” Pepe Escobar!!

Once upon a time, there existed an Iron Curtain which divided the continent of Europe. Coined by former British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, the term was in reference to the then-Soviet Union’s efforts to create a physical and ideological boundary with the west. The latter, for its part, pursued a policy of containment against the spread and influence of communism.
Fast forward to the contemporary era of techno-feudalism, and there now exists what should be called a Tin Curtain, fabricated by the fearful, clueless, collective west, via G7 and NATO: this time, to essentially contain the integration of the Global South.

Within Pepe’s narrative is a reminder of Xi’s announced Global Development Initiative made at last years UNGA Debate. Perhaps the best analysis of Xi’s proposal was done by this Pakistani news outfit earlier this year. The catch for any nation wanting to participate is they must be sovereign, not be a colony of the Outlaw US Empire, which disqualifies many EU nations that sorely need the sort of help the GDI could provide:

In a nutshell, the GDI aims to turbo-charge international development cooperation by supplementing financing to a plethora of bodies, for instance the South-South Cooperation Fund, the International Development Association (IDA), the Asian Development Fund (ADF), and the Global Environment Facility (GEF).
Priorities include “poverty reduction, food security, COVID-19 response and vaccines,” industrialization, and digital infrastructure. Subsequently, a Friends of the GDI group was established in early 2022 and has already attracted over 50 nations.
BRI and GDI should be advancing in tandem, even as Xi himself made it clear during the BRICS summit that “some countries are politicizing and marginalizing the developmental agenda by building up walls and slapping crippling sanctions on others.”

Perhaps Pepe’s most provocative revelation for the uninformed is the undemocratic nature of the EU and how it colonizes European nations to it which then allows its master the Outlaw US Empire to exert its interests over those of all EU members:

As many as 60 European ‘directives’ are issued every year. They must be imperatively transposed into internal law of each EU member-state. In most cases, there’s no debate whatsoever.
Then there are more than 10,000 European ‘rulings,’ where ‘experts’ at the European Commission (EC) in Brussels issue ‘recommendations’ to every government, straight out of the neoliberal canon, regarding their expenses, their income and ‘reforms’ (on health care, education, pensions) that must be obeyed.
Thus elections in every single EU member-nation are absolutely meaningless. Heads of national governments – Macron, Scholz, Draghi – are mere executants. No democratic debate is allowed: ‘democracy,’ as with ‘EU values,’ are nothing than smokescreens.

Is it any wonder why the Polish general is confused?
Will Europeans awaken from their Through the Lookingglass Dream and realize they’re now in servitude before they slide further underwater?
As for the Global South, they just need to continue to ignore the Outlaw US Empire and continue their march forward into solidarity and freedom.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 28 2022 21:41 utc | 138

news report
“The gathering of the West’s preeminent military alliance is set to be a major affair, where member states are slated to announce they will boost the number of forces kept at a high readiness level to 300,000.”
The NATO Response Force (NRF) was launched in November 2002 at the Alliance’s Prague Summit.
The brainchild of US defense leaders, the NRF was intended to strengthen NATO’s readiness and responsiveness as well as act as a catalyst for capability development (especially in Europe).
goals (never met)
2002 – 25,000 NATO Response Force (NRF)
2006 – 12,500
2009 – 13,000 Immediate Response Force
2020 – 5,000 Very High Readiness Joint Task Force
2022 – 300,000 ??
Many European allies have long been reluctant to devolve authority to a US Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR) to employ multinational forces in the absence of a decision by the North Atlantic Council (NAC). This is perfectly understandable—sovereign allies are unwilling to cede decisions to an unelected US officer over whether to engage in war. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Jun 28 2022 21:42 utc | 139

Hooray for Dixie, Biden and the CIA have surrendered.
Operation Wet Dream is dead, replaced with Operation Save Face/Arse.
What did I tell you naughty boys and girls about going down to the woods?
Yes, the Big Bad Bear will get you, especially if you’ve been messing with his cubs.

Posted by: WTFUD | Jun 28 2022 21:43 utc | 140

The party pooper par excellence in the NATO jamboree would be the word “Palomares”, of course nobody will pronounce it in Madrid these days, who wants to talk about Broken Arrow events? like a few hydrogen bombs falling from the sky.
As a historical irony, these days in the beaches that were witness to a near end of the world event a music festival will take place, but this event is no Country Fish McDonald singing against war in VietNam or CCR singing Fortunate Son, this is a techno gathering with al the young guys and their phones plus a good supply of all chemical enhancers to boom boom boom for a few days on end. That’s how the boomers dreams ended, from peace and love to life in a bubble with a lab supply.
https://www.last.fm/festival/841484+Creamfields/lineup

Posted by: Paco | Jun 28 2022 21:55 utc | 141

m #119
Perhaps Putin in Bali might excite the imagination of assassins but I suspect he will be on very safe ground. Besides what a magnificent statement of his and the Easts superior position that would be.
I imagine there is a very well prepared and defined line of succession should he fall and I doubt we shall see another Gorbachev or Yeltsin in the near future.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 28 2022 21:58 utc | 142

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 28 2022 17:28 utc | 46
It’s hard to imagine Germans being as ignorant as portrayed about what a 100% gas embargo would do to them and their nation.
Remember this is the era of hybrid warfare.
As the German economic disaster unfolds, and the job losses mount, Sgt “I know nothing” Schultz will use all of the media resources at his disposal (these include the powerful Biden multi barrel Organs NYT, WAPO, the Bojo Guardian / BBC weapons, the Canadian Völkischer Trudeaubachter, and the countless troll armies staffed by wobblie, joe6pack, et al) to blame the totality of his geo-strategic stupidity on the nefarious Putin and rouse the arbeitslose deutsche with the slogan Arbeit macht frei! for Operation Fritz II, a glorious march to the east.
This should not be hard to achieve. They already have all the necessary operational plans gathering cobwebs in the German archives. Bojo is able to achieve what Churchill failed to accomplish, and Joe Tzu can imitate FDR, rescue the American economy on a rising tide of debt, and go on to be the first 5 term US President.
Stranger things have happened.

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 28 2022 22:06 utc | 143

with the help of poland and the baltic state nazi and rothschild uk we can still win this we simply have to believe
ukraine may not exist legally as a jurisdiction
but be assured new khazaria must be builded here
oded yinon never sleeps
my life already
fight the good fight fight on for diversity the vritish bull dog and the rainbow spirit
barbera lerner spector soros wills it

Posted by: norman wisdom | Jun 28 2022 22:07 utc | 144

Posted by: ostro | Jun 28 2022 20:11 utc | 113
That was a pretty candid assessment of the military reality within NATO.
Given Van Der Leydens tenure as German defense minister not so long ago.
And Trumps comment on European defense spending.
It’s also very accurate I would surmise.

Posted by: Jpc | Jun 28 2022 22:20 utc | 145

S #121
karlof1 #132
Thank you both for the Alina Lipp references.
WOW that report in Strategic Culture was pure vitriol dipped in acid.

Europe survived both Napoleon and Hitler and it will survive von der Leyen and similar shit in silk stockings, who have clogged Europe’s arteries since first they breathed God’s free air. Alina’s persecutors are those too stupid to recognize genius, those who sent Antoine Lavoisier to the guillotine in 1794. Contrary to the judge’s ignorant pronouncements, the Republic needs both scholars and chemists, and, coining the great Lagrange, though they can destroy a Lavoisier in an instant, all of France cannot produce another Lavoisier in a century.
This is not to elevate these Alinas, whom France and Germany also badly need, to the pantheon of Lagrange or Lavoisier but it is to say that von der Leyen and Germany’s other sawn off shit in silk stockings, who collectively lack the warmth, insight, tact and diplomacy of even the mortal remains of Talleyrand, Metternich or any of the children commemorated in Alina’s Alley of Angels will never succeed because flawed individuals like Graham Greene’s whisky priest as much as young Franco Germans like Alina Lipp, together with the surviving children of Donbas and Damascus will continue to climb ever’y mountain, ford every stream, follow every rainbow, tll they find our common dream of a world free from war, NATO, the EU and their shit in silk stockings minions in Göttingen’s Central Office for Hate Crime (LOL).

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 28 2022 22:26 utc | 146

WOW that report in Strategic Culture was pure vitriol dipped in acid.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 28 2022 22:26 utc | 149
If something can be described like that I’m already late to read it!!!

Posted by: Arganthonios | Jun 28 2022 22:36 utc | 147

m #145
Vielen Dank, und ich sehe, dass es strategische Zeiten und Orte gibt, um Momente des Wandels geltend zu machen oder vielleicht moralische Überlegenheit zu beanspruchen. Putin repräsentiert eine Nation, die den Islam einschließt, und wer könnte besser als er daran teilnehmen. Vielleicht Xi als nächstes.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 28 2022 22:37 utc | 148

So what’s the deal with Erdogan? All I see is pure speculation and some meaningless commitments from (soon to be) NATO allies. Fact is, we don’t know ergo NATO is at least capable of some opsec.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jun 28 2022 22:41 utc | 149

Hmm, so Zelensky’s narrative that has been repeated by world “leaders” at the G7 summit and printed in all MSM on the front page and which was the first item in the news on TV in the west is now completely debunked and 6 hours or so later, not a mention at all in western MSM ?
How much proof does anyone need ? that the entire MSM and political leaders in the west is not interested in truth, not interested in facts, they are just propaganda thats all they are.

Posted by: Jimmy | Jun 28 2022 22:45 utc | 150

re: granting all of Erdogan’s wishes … unbeatable strategic location will do that. EU really in a corner w/ Turkey after burning the Russia relationship – make a bad move and they’re cut off from what’s left of the convenient connecting options to Asia.

Somewhat interesting vids from Lisichansk area – (but Russian). The last of the videos (9:40 timestamp) shows a couple of the recently taken infantry positions – pretty basic stuff (they left behind can of Irish Stew from a UK-supplied meal kit). When they discuss the view, it shows the shape of the land.
https://anna-news.info/donbass-operativnaya-lenta-za-28-06-2022/

Posted by: ptb | Jun 28 2022 22:45 utc | 151

Posted by: S | Jun 28 2022 18:03 utc | 52
Great work, Thanks.
Hard to understand the reasons the employees of the Mighty Wurlitzer are incapable of drawing similar conclusions (pun intended).
Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 28 2022 22:45 utc | 152

Lavrov said something about NATO preparing for war some days back. Now the piece ostro posted @113. Looks like Europe will be fed into the Russian grinder once it has processed the 18-60 year old male demographic of Ukraine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 28 2022 22:49 utc | 153

It concerns me that Putin is apparently going to the meeting n Bali. To my thinking he and Lavrov will be VERY vulnerable there and traveling to and fro. The west would risk an aerial nuke to take them out. ..

Posted by: John Sang | Jun 28 2022 23:00 utc | 154

Video from point of impact showing destroyed surroundings.
https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1541769391355957248?cxt=HHwWgMC8lfjFu-UqAAAA
Point of impact on google maps
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@49.0744226,33.427907,82m/data=!3m1!1e3
In the video showing the destroyed site – starts showing the framework of the long tin shed with the square looking building at the end of the shed framing. Camera pans around 180 and shows the L shaped end of the other building.
That is the second strike as there is already smoke in the background on one of the park security camera videos.
This supposedly is one of the missile strikes.
https://twitter.com/AZmilitary1/status/1541902849671667714?cxt=HHwWhIC9jZ6e-OUqAAAA

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 28 2022 23:05 utc | 155

Theophilius @ 18
Wondering if the Russians might try to offer to negotiate before moving on Odessa. My father-in-law (who was a hard-nosed business attorney) told me that his first negotiating position was not the maximalist one that he would walk down after first negotiations. Instead, his first offer was the best one for the other party, and if it wasn’t taken, then his next one would be less beneficial to the opposing party. Perhaps, Russia would take a similar stance. Offer another set of treaties to NATO/US/Ukraine with fewer options than what was offered at the end of 2021. Give the other parties a week to decide…then…well…
HB_Norica @ 32
Interesting insight about the internal workings of malls…thanks. I was wondering about the density and color of smoke and what that might indicate.
SW @ 42
There was an interesting article at the SAKER a month or so ago about the type of oil and the processing plants in Germany that are designed to process the the type of crude that comes from Russia. Worth revisiting here:
Link to Vilches Article re: Germany/Oil
Don Bacon @ 81
“Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.” Samuel Johnson
Just to be a contrarian.
Arganthonios @ 104
Putin said that he doesn’t care about Finland and Sweden joining NATO as long as they don’t put NATO bases, soldiers, weapons, etc…in those countries. Wondering what the likelihood of those two counties joining but keeping the NATO footprint so small that Russia doesn’t feel threatened. Not likely.
Link to article re: Putin/Finland-Sweden
Feels like the more problematic connection is UK/Baltics/Poland. Doesn’t Boris Johnson want to form a new alliance with only those countries to oppose ‘Russian agression’. Since European countries are getting colder feet, seems like the US/UK are looking for more players to sacrifice in the “Great Game”.

Posted by: Objective Observer | Jun 28 2022 23:06 utc | 156

I have nothing to say. I said it!
Joe Tzu

Posted by: albagen | Jun 28 2022 23:11 utc | 157

The US Empire of Lies intends to digest Europe in the same way that a Pitcher plant consumes a batch of flies.
Beware and watch out for those “pitfall traps”!

Posted by: Copeland | Jun 28 2022 23:14 utc | 158

uncle tungsten @149–
Gee, I should have shared that earlier! Declan Hayes does have quite the flair and isn’t afraid to write on any topic it seems.
m @145 is seduced as are so many others by Western Propaganda that Russia is run by one man–Putin–and if only that one man were removed…. It was the same story with Castro, and Chavez, etc. Just another Oligarchy projecting how it is with itself as they’re very well aware how they stifle democracy and are Anti-American and Anti-Human. I must admit to being impressed by Martyanov’s buddy Larry Johnson who wrote an excellent blog entry yesterday about German denazification as required by the Potsdam Agreement yet never happened and cited these incomplete figures:

For a more than 20 years fter World War II, nearly 100 former members of Adolf Hitler’s Nazi party held high-ranking positions in the West German Justice Ministry, according to a German government report.
From 1949 to 1973, 90 of the 170 leading lawyers and judges in the then-West German Justice Ministry had been members of the Nazi Party.
Of those 90 officials, 34 had been members of the Sturmabteilung (SA), Nazi Party paramilitaries who aided Hitler’s rise and took part in Kristallnacht, a night of violence that is believed to have left 91 Jewish people dead. . . .
In 1957, 77% of the ministry’s senior officials were former Nazis, which, according to the study, was a higher proportion that during Hitler’s Third Reich government, which existed from 1933 to 1945.

Johnson omits the CIA history of nurturing OUN in Ukraine, but to prove his point, that’s not required. One other aspect lost on Martyanov and Johnson is the breaking of Potsdam marks where the Empire of Lies begins and has continued ever since. And for me, that’s yet another troubling bit of evidence added to a growing pile forcing me to reevaluate FDR given the maxim:
“When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?”

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 28 2022 23:15 utc | 159

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 28 2022 20:28 utc | 118
The conventions on treatment of legitimate prisoners of war is based on the fact that normal soldiers don’t have a choice about service in their country’s military. They are soldiers fulfilling their duty to their nation.
To expand on your comment – the difference between a soldier and a mercenary is that the soldier is permitted to kill under the order of some lawful authority, is an element of, and under the command of a formally organized military unit, and is subject to military discipline.
In contrast the merc is killing for payment, is under no lawful authority other than a private written or oral contract, frequently operates independently of an organized military unit, is under no command but his own, and is not subject to military discipline.
Both operate to kill. The soldier must follow accepted practices of armed conflict; the merc operates as he wishes. The soldier is subject to criminal prosecution for war crime; the merc is not.
The merc is engaged in killing for money and is subject to the criminal law of the country in which he operates. The law of armed conflict permits the death penalty for persons operating on the field of battle outside of the constraint imposed on all soldiers.

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 28 2022 23:15 utc | 160

This video (starting @ 14:00) has very different numbers for the GDP of Ukraine. In fact claiming the Donbas is only 6% of “GRP” in 2019.

Posted by: Kauai John | Jun 28 2022 23:17 utc | 161

@152 We have to wait and see. It will be interesting to see which Kurds Sweden and Finland send back to Turkey. I’m sure the Turks have a long list of names.

Posted by: dh | Jun 28 2022 23:19 utc | 162

Posted by: ostro | Jun 28 2022 20:11 utc | 113
Re: An interview in Gazeta, lately highly Russo-hate Polish MSM. It is long, but interesting.

I am very concerned that the NATO summit in Madrid is going in the wrong direction. Instead of looking for ways to win peace, because this is the crux of the eastern flank problem, the summit is to convince us that we will win the future war if, or rather when, it occurs. This rhetoric ended as we see it in Ukraine.
However, it is to increase support for the eastern flank.
But it will only cement the status quo. And the status quo is that NATO has done nothing to prevent a future war between Russia and NATO on the eastern flank.

This is how the NATO borders wind up back to their 1997 positions. NATO will have a meeting, having faced the reality of Russian ways and means, and will declare victory by withdrawing behind the 1997 NATO borders. The Poles will be safe and the states to the west of them will cope with their inability to continue functioning as nation states without Russian energy . . . if that’s what they opt for. The US Federal Reserve will have kept raising interest rates in the US the while via its SOFR (Secured Overnight Financing) mechanism, having left the LIBOR mechanism it didn’t control, while vacuuming $US eurodollars out of the EU and into the US. The Fed will ignore concerns about recession. It’s controlling members want to buy up all the assets that remain in the US and elsewhere.

Posted by: pogohere | Jun 28 2022 23:22 utc | 163

OttoE @86
“And Russia’s reaction is foresseable: Nothing is brought anymore. The market will hike crude prices even more. Citizens of the West pay and NATOstan must mofify its refineries. Next gas availabel in 5 years. Please leave your Email address for a notification.”
love it when i laugh here. thanks. also read that china is working on getting insurance program going, but it takes a while. not sure if one can insure their own ships.

Posted by: polarbear4 | Jun 28 2022 23:26 utc | 164

Posted by: Exile | Jun 28 2022 20:52 utc | 127
The earliest NATOland will undertake a counteroffensive is Spring 2024
By Spring 2024, the entirety of NATOland will be rent asunder by civil revolt, economic depression, runaway Weimar inflation, food scarcity, absence of strategic resources, and a very woke military in which every member of a platoon is free to choose their own gender-neutral subject pronoun or a subject pronoun establishing their sexual identity and/or preference. Any noncom calling a trooper a “worthless maggot,” “green slime,” or “fuck-nuts,” will be met with the harshest military discipline. Once out of the stockade he will be given a dishonourable discharge.

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 28 2022 23:29 utc | 165

I hope your not talking about me. I agree with b and links I’ve left also agree with this site. As Amerikan I’m pro Russian
Posted by: jo6pac | Jun 28 2022 18:07 utc | 57
Yeah I noticed the difference, not just in the handles, but in the viewpoints expressed. I figured it was a different poster.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 28 2022 23:38 utc | 166

What to make of this, from Russian military correspondent Yuri Kotyenok? “Russia does not have enough physical strength in the zone of the special military operation in Ukraine … taking into account the almost one thousand kilometer (or more) line of confrontation.” He estimated that Russia would need 500,000 troops to attain its goals, and the contract army needs to be replenished with people who have military experience. Telegram https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/37734 OR see https://segodnia.ru/content/257201
Who is this guy?

Posted by: Susan | Jun 28 2022 23:41 utc | 167

Posted by: Susan | Jun 28 2022 23:41 utc | 170
So far so good in Donbass: “Entire Ukrainian Corp at risk of being trapped and destroyed.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYMr4-Aa_QQ
Russian is breaking all the rules of traditional combat where the attacker need a 3 to 1 numeric advantage, Russian is attacingk with way less troops then Ukraine has for defence.

Posted by: Jimmy | Jun 28 2022 23:49 utc | 168

Zelensky has published a video that shows the impact of the first missile. The target – intentional or not – is the railroad junction at the southern edge of the factory.
The explosion damaged the eastern corner of the shopping mall. Ukrainian sources say the fire started (or spread) 15 minutes later. There would have been enough time for any customers to get out.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Jun 28 2022 23:54 utc | 169

Russian is breaking all the rules of traditional combat where the attacker need a 3 to 1 numeric advantage, Russian is attacingk with way less troops then Ukraine has for defence.
Posted by: Jimmy | Jun 28 2022 23:49 utc | 171
The sort of advantage the Yurpeans once enjoyed against the “less developed world”, so the shoe is on the other foot now.

Posted by: Bemildred | Jun 28 2022 23:56 utc | 170

Alastair Crooke’s latest is sobering yet IMO very welcoming, “War Makes For Clarity”. He opens thusly:

The train wreck has been expected for so long that we have become comfortable living under its shadow. Life went on; markets were sanguine that the market lifestyle subsidy provided by the Central Banks would continue unabated. And not without good reason either: Any trader disappointment at Central Bank action, any dip in markets, brought forth a collective market hissy fit that usually strong-armed the Central Banks into immediate appeasement. We were hard pressed to imagine differently.
Now, however, we’re in a new era, in many ways. The West has entered upon a war with Russia and China. The West, however, did not do its homework first, and now is finding that the ‘war’ is cruelly revealing the structural rigidities and flaws integral to its own economic system, rather than mining the weaknesses of its rivals.
Why is this new era so grave? Firstly, because of what lies ‘beneath the stones’. These structural contradictions have been accumulating over decades, lurking in the dark damp underside to the stones. Kept hidden from sight by the serendipitous (for the U.S.) economic outcome to WW2, and the equally serendipitous combination of factors that kept inflation low (so low that western economists believed they had found the ‘holy grail’ of monetary ‘easing’ – they had banished recessions for ever). So simple, really, just turn on the money-printer!
Hubris prevailed. It was magic: a ‘new economics’. And then inadvertently, Team Biden [and Team Trump] kicked over the stones in their eagerness to cut Russia [and China] down to size (instigating sanctions and stealing Russia’s foreign reserves [and a trade war with China]). And Inflation was the serpent under the rock. Long latent, unseen, yet always present. And no longer one serpent, but now many.

Most of our analysis here has focused on the surface topic, the SMO, and not so much on what’s underneath, although some of us have tried. For example, the NATO Summit lacked the economic context underlying everything. Well before Crooke wrote the US has thrown the EU under the bus, Hudson had already proved that beyond doubt back in February. Crooke finally looks into what was lurking under the stones in a detailed manner and finds plenty of snakes, or more appropriately land mines/boobytraps.
It’s quite something altogether different to read Escobar’s essay then Crooke’s and compare what they reveal to the news-of-the-day’s distractions, however unsettling they might be. And perhaps we have further understanding or rather confirmation as to why Russia moves without haste. The biggest bombs are already within the EU and Outlaw US Empire’s systems and are ticking away.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 28 2022 23:59 utc | 171

karlof1 #162

Johnson omits the CIA history of nurturing OUN in Ukraine, but to prove his point, that’s not required. One other aspect lost on Martyanov and Johnson is the breaking of Potsdam marks where the Empire of Lies begins and has continued ever since. And for me, that’s yet another troubling bit of evidence added to a growing pile forcing me to reevaluate FDR given the maxim:
“When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?”

Thank you for that reference to Johnson.
IMO the Empire of Lies has existed as an expanding network of oligarchs since its consolidation after landing in the Americas. I sense the threads from Venice of the 1500 to 1600’s. When Marx and Engels published and spoke at public gatherings in Europe, the Empire of Lies would be kept informed. As the collectivist imagination bloomed throughout Europe, the Empire of Lies would have been immediately calculating and devising its downfall.
FDR was perhaps trapped between the two discourses after witnessing the vicious horror of the WW2 slaughter. Perhaps I am too lenient, but so it goes.
The collectivist imagination in the USA was crushed beginning at the day it was born and promoted. That is the people’s history of the united states.
That is what the struggle in the USA is about collectivist government vs private production and hoarding. Any form of third way must be denied, decimated, cremated in eyes of the Empire of Lies. Even Buttigieg a day or two ago was bleating that the government should not be making baby milk as it was the entire prerogative of the private sector. I recall when dairy farmers had large cooperatives to process raw milk to supermarket shelf. Under Buttigieg even that would be anathema.
Sadly this insane promotion of one oligarch system above all else is the legacy of the puritan straighteners and fanatics that shaped the early USA and then the rest of the west. It is a major system error that we must remedy as Michael Hudson describes here. The cursed inheritance from Venice.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 29 2022 0:00 utc | 172

Sushi@163
Almost all NATO soldiers are, under your definition, mercenaries. There is no conscription/draft in the UK, Canada or the US. Personnel are recruited as mercenaries, working for pay and other perquisites (free healthcare, pensions etc).
Of course all recruits are expected to swear allegiance to their “country” but that is the basis of all military hierarchies: obey those in authority.
The problem in Ukraine is that all are involved in a civil war in which neither side has real legitimacy: the Kievan government owes its existence to illegal, foreign employment of factions undertaking a coup designed elsewhere. It was a coup carried out by imperialists, their trained agents and imported mercenaries (largely from Poland and Georgia). It gave rise to a government nominated and designated in Washington with no mandate from or responsibility to the people.
The Russian backed side has more legitimacy- it represents continuity with the President and constitutional practices driven out of the country by armed, foreign directed, terrorists. As a rough rule of thumb it is reasonable assumption that Russian speaking Ukrainians will not actually support a government acting against their interests, language and clearly engaged in cultural genocide. We can thus, assume that most Russian speaking areas would declare for the party led by Russia and the Two Republics if released from reigns of terror, directed by Kiev.
The war could end tomorrow if the NATO powers practised the “values” that they preach and restored the bases of democracy to the country. This would involve disbanding the fascist controlled Secret Police, militias and other terrorist forces, allowing the free public organisation of political parties and arranging referenda, province by province. This would involve a restoration of sovereignty to the people and give those who do not wish to remain in the Ukraine and would feel more at home in a neighbouring country the right, provided that they represented local majorities in plebiscites the right to leave the Russian world for that of Latin Europe.
It is a mistake to talk in terms of the territory occupied by the various forces. What is important is what the people want, if allowed to choose. It might very well be convenient for Moscow to leave much of the Ukraine in the hands of the current regime but it is no longer a practical option, as it might have been had Minsk been instituted. Now, the truth is no longer in doubt: left to the Kiev fascists and NATO the majority of the population will be trafficked, impoverished and displaced. They cannot be left to the mercies of a system which wants to get rid of them, auction their birthright-the land of Ukraine- and erase their culture, language included. No Russian government could survive such a betrayal. Nor could the Russian nation survive such a failure of its duty to itself.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 29 2022 0:00 utc | 173

@karlof1 #140
Tin is a commodity – which the West is no doubt short of.
More like a Wind Curtain: composed of the hot air which the West has unending resources of.

Posted by: c1ue | Jun 29 2022 0:02 utc | 174

uncle tungsten @175–
Thanks for your reply. I’m in the process of digesting Hudson’s book. Do recall FDR was Asst. Sec of Navy during WW1 and saw much of that war’s carnage. I’ve yet to form anything beyond a working hypothesis as I must first verify a presumption. Will a disaster on the scale of 1990s Russia occur in the West as Crooke sees possible? We’re going to find out, won’t we.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 29 2022 0:13 utc | 175

Posted by: bevin | Jun 29 2022 0:00 utc | 176
Almost all NATO soldiers are, under your definition, mercenaries
You must review the law of Armed conflict.
A soldier may be recruited by pay incentives and may have the holding of paid employment as the sole motive for enlisting. This is immaterial.
What is material is that once enlisted the individual is under military command (i.e. an agent of the state), is subject to military law, and forms part of an organized military unit. He cannot operate outside of these constraints. The expectation is that the host nation (the employer) is a signatory to the various international conventions that govern armed conflict.
In essence, the military recruit is permitted to kill, in fact that is his job description in a nutshell. But he must act within the constraint described. Failure to so may result in prosecution under host nation military law, or under international war crime law.
None of the above apply to the merc.
What does apply to the merc is the criminal law of the nation in which he operates. This applies in conjunction with the law of armed conflict which specifically spells out the application of the death penalty in the case of the merc.
Nation states have a vested interest in prohibiting the recruitment and use of mercs in conflict. Maybe I should rephrase that as “civilized nation states” have that intent. Not many of these left on the planet. The agreement incapable members of the “rules based order” are not held accountable by any international body – witness the fate of Julian Assange whose “crime” was to deliver public evidence of war crime by the current global hegemon.
As has been said,”western civilization would be a good idea.” What is left of that idea is evaporating faster than the morning dew.
Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Jun 29 2022 0:20 utc | 176

The latest Gonzalo Lira videos…
In the first, Gonzalo explains why he hasn’t done videos in a week (he didn’t have anything to say because there isn’t anything going one except a mop-up – which is true), why the war is over, why we’re in the “sitzkreig” part of WWIII.
He also reconciles his view and my view by saying Russia is going to take over all of Ukraine, some of the oblasts will be part of Russia, and whatever is left over will be a rump with a puppet regime controlled by Russia. I can live with that, although I think it’s smarter for Russia to take over all of Ukraine under one government controlled by Russia. Either way works for me, though. The idea that western Ukraine will be left to NATO is ludicrously stupid – which is why the view is popular here.
2022.06.28 The Sitzkrieg We’re In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-BzyGQ_XSg
The second one explains the Russian bond situation in detail. Wait for the term “ass=blasted”. This is why one listens to Gonzalo Lira. 🙂
2022.06.28 Russian Default Hurts The West—Not Russia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrTjdW_3U1M

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 29 2022 0:21 utc | 177

The catch for any nation wanting to participate is they must be sovereign [states], not be a colony [“overseas territory”] of the Outlaw US Empire [or EU27 member state], which disqualifies many EU nations [LOL!] that sorely need the sort of help the GDI [LOL!] could provide:
Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 28 2022 21:41 utc | 140
What spokespersons for CN foreign ministry have said for the umpteenth time is:

GDI is an initiative put forward by China to support the development of developing countries, promote global economic recovery in the post-pandemic era and strengthen international development cooperation.

LOL! EU27 are model advance economies, developed countries, modern democracies which have cornered, ahem, life-saving pharmaceutical products and IPR licenses, routinely converted pledges in “aid” for “low-income” countries into DSSI relief, and attach European FDI for resource-rich “host” nations into perpetual corporate leaseholds and taxshelters. So. Some European nations and their allies need a mental health “intervention”, or as the ministry often says, time to reflect on their wicked ways and not their imaginary deprivations, slavery, and vassalage.

Escobar: As many as 60 [Council of the] European [Union] ‘directives’ are issued every year. They must be [LoL!] imperatively transposed into internal law of incorporated and ratified by each EU member-state. In most cases, there’s no [parliamentary?] debate whatsoever.

FALSE. See “opt-outs”–EEA, EFTA members in good-standing. See imminent prodigal UK return to a NEW! “political union”. See Macronism Today. See Italy on epic constitutional CRISES and florid “debates”. See Hangry and Po-land on … Everything you always wanted to know about infringement procedures – but were afraid to ask, last updated Oct 2019

What happens when a country does not respect its legal obligations towards the EU? Which countries are the least diligent? What is the area with the highest number of offences recorded? Our partners from OpenPolis developed InfringEye, a data-driven tool that makes it easier for journalists and citizens to understand the EU’s infringement mechanisms, and to monitor past and ongoing procedures.

Which, I gather, is the uhh subject of Escobar’s gonzo journal entry flaunting RF’s SMO:

Then there are more than 10,000 European [EU] ‘rulings,’ where ‘experts’ at College of Commissioners who constitute the European Commission (EC) in Brussels issue ‘recommendations’ to every government EC president and Council of the European Union, of which European Parliament quorum, straight out of the neoliberal canon, regarding their expenses, their income and ‘reforms’ … that must be obeyed.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 29 2022 0:28 utc | 179

Karlof1@174
You mentioned in passing the Russia appears to be unhurried, with economic time bombs ticking away within the enemy camp.
It occurs to me that within the limits of sound military logic, Russia may actually prefer to draw this out for months–so spectacular is the West’s self-harm in the areas of finance, macroeconomics, military spending and supply chains, international standing in Zone B, cognitive warfare, Western solidarity, industrial collapse, even regime change, weakening NATO, the EU and Washington’s hold over them, the petrodollar…
If Russian strategy is indeed informed by Clausewitz (and he by Russia), then they truly may see the military and non-military as inextricable, and a slow-walked Ukraine campaign, insofar as it has the added benefit of conserving men and material, lasting perhaps months or a year, may be more devastating to Russia’s enemies than a shorter campaign.

Posted by: Paul Damascene | Jun 29 2022 0:35 utc | 180

Posted by: Susan | Jun 28 2022 23:41 utc | 170
“Who is this guy?”
Who cares? He’s a moron. Russia can completely destroy the Ukrainian military and take over all of Ukraine with the forces they have committed so far. If they need more, they can easily dump another 100-200,000 in with all necessary hardware and logistically support.
As an aside, this so-called 3:1 advantage everyone keeps talking about never existed. To be more precise, it existed only in comparison of the entire Ukrainian military over all of Ukraine to the Russian invasion force and not taking into account the LDR militias (of which I’ve seen no real estimate) and Chechyans (estimated at 15,000) and Wagner PMC (unknown but probably limited). In fact, the allied forces in eastern Ukraine had a probable numerical advantage over the Ukrainian eastern force, at least once the Russian forces sent into the Kiev regime rejoined the main force.
The Russian force has never faced more than 1:1 or at most 1:5-2:1 odds. The Russian force in eastern Ukraine faced at most 100,000 troops in Donbass, probably including those in Karkhiv, Mariupol, Kherson and Zaporhizia. When the Russian forces pushed toward Kiev, they only faced an equal or possible 2:1 greater force of Ukrainians in that area. The rest of the Ukrainian military is all over the place.
Right now, Ukraine supposedly has 20-30,000 sitting on the Belarus border because they’re afraid of another Russian-Belarus push from the north (which could happen later on.) No one is sure what’s available around Odessa, presumably 10-20,000 there. 100,000 or more are dead and wounded, 10,000 or more surrendered, no one knows how many have deserted. No one knows how many reserves or conscripts are involved because all those estimates are bullshit. The claimed 700,000 is bullshit.
But in the east, the Russians never faced a 3:1 Ukrainian advantage. It was either an allied advantage or at most a 2:1 Ukrainian advantage.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 29 2022 0:38 utc | 181

Misquoting me or anyone else is not good form and informs us about your nature.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 29 2022 0:40 utc | 182

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 28 2022 23:59 utc | 174
Thanks for that excerpt. Unfortunately my ISP is being blocked by SC’s servers (finally figured this out and that it’s not the other way around). How much longer is the article and if not too long would you mind posting the rest here? Normally I’d use my proxy service, but it’s apparently down for the past few days.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 29 2022 0:48 utc | 183

“If anyone says that by increasing the declared number of soldiers of the NATO Response Force to 300,000 and also that we want to increase the size of our own army to 300,000, we will ensure our own safety, says nonsense. If someone says that the Polish army will be so strong that it will win the war with Russia, that is also gibberish. Well, with the same NATO forces on the eastern flank and our army, the Russians will demolish the country.
I am very concerned that the NATO summit in Madrid is going in the wrong direction. Instead of looking for ways to win peace, because this is the crux of the eastern flank problem, the summit is to convince us that we will win the future war if, or rather when, it occurs. This rhetoric ended as we see it in Ukraine.
(…)
But it will only cement the status quo. And the status quo is that NATO has done nothing to prevent a future war between Russia and NATO on the eastern flank.”

Posted by: ostro | Jun 28 2022 20:11 utc | 113
Thank you for this very interesting interview.
I come to the conclusion, that the US on the one hand side wants to threat Russia and China with its missiles and vessels wherever they can locate them, but on the other side strictly wants to avoid a war. How can we explain this contradiction?
It is their self-perception as absolut superior that leads them to believe that they are always victorious without fighting!
As NATO, they assure each other unconditional support in the event of war, believing that this will never happen. But of course they will not fight for the Balts or Poles against Russia! Neither the Germans nor the US.
This is, why the “Unity of NATO” or the Finns and Sweds joining this club is so important: Not because it brings a real strategic asset in the case of a war, but because shall impress the enemy.
Now, with the SMO, it becomes obvious, that this is an absurdity. This general from Poland is talking about this contradictions.
NATO, the first time in its existence, is confronted with a real war against russia, and is freaking out. They don’t know what to do.

Posted by: njet | Jun 29 2022 0:48 utc | 184

Petri Krohn | Jun 28 2022 23:54 utc | 172
The video of the strike and the sat pic of the aftermath put out by Zelensky may or may not be fake. I leave that open but what is very noticeable is there is no drone video of the area though drone video of the store front was shown. There is video taken from point of impact of second strike but no video from point of impact of first strike.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 29 2022 0:51 utc | 185

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 29 2022 0:21 utc | 180
I’ve often had trouble picturing how Russia could take over the whole of Ukraine (minus perhaps the ‘rump state’ you mention) and keeping the peace. IOW, even if the Ukrainians are told to surrender by their FUKUS/NATO masters, and your scenario (or one very similar) happens, it would be very difficult to maintain order in such a large country with about half of the population identifying with the EU and not Russia. Wouldn’t that be a recipe for either a much larger civil war than what’s been raging (would need infusions of arms from the West) for the past 8 years and the possibility that Russia would need to implement some massive military occupation for a long time?
I have not been following this conflict closely in recent weeks other than the occasional sitrep or analysis by b and – when I have time – comments such as yours and others who know a lot more about it than I do at the moment.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 29 2022 0:54 utc | 186

Paul Damascene @183–
Thanks for your reply. Agreed. Crooke noted the following:
“Now, however, we’re in a new era, in many ways. The West has entered upon a war with Russia and China. The West, however, did not do its homework first, and now is finding that the ‘war’ is cruelly revealing the structural rigidities and flaws integral to its own economic system, rather than mining the weaknesses of its rivals.”
The Russian and Chinese way is to very closely study your adversary to discover both assets and liabilities and to use both in your favor–do your homework first. Never disturb your opponent when it’s making a mistake is the old adage. Quite a long time ago I wrote that Russia and China merely needed to tell the truth constantly against the never-ending parade of lies from the West and they would win the Information War in the Global South, which is where the prize is located.
Those of us living within the West are at least armed with the knowledge of what’s most likely to transpire and can thus prepare to insulate ourselves from the coming storm as best we can.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 29 2022 0:55 utc | 187

Ned @ 21 – Also, on the Google map that you linked which now shows an operating store, there is a column of Reviews. Lots of reviews. Sort by Newest – 4 months ago…

Posted by: paul spencer | Jun 29 2022 0:58 utc | 188

Good vid and overhead photos of the strike on the plant. Very clear the mall was not attacked.
https://t.me/asbmil/2440?single

Posted by: Surferket | Jun 29 2022 0:59 utc | 189

Add the fact that the attack happened at 9 AM local time…on a Monday morning.
Perfect time for jam packed 1,000 shoppers all getting that early blue light special.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | Jun 29 2022 1:00 utc | 190

Tom_Q_Collins @186–
It’s here.

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 29 2022 1:00 utc | 191

Posted by: karlof1 | Jun 29 2022 1:00 utc | 194
Thanks!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 29 2022 1:01 utc | 192

More evidence (as if anymore is needed) that our politicians are criminally negligent and incompetent as stewards and fiduciaries of US taxpayer credit line. Who would give their children’s credit card to a (failed state) drug addict (“for as long as it takes”)? The US Congress and Senate and President that’s who.

Posted by: FredF | Jun 29 2022 1:03 utc | 193

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Jun 29 2022 0:54 utc | 189
In a word, no. There will be no resistance, and certainly none Russia can’t handle. The Ukrainians are not Afghans or Iraqis born with AK-47s in their cribs.
As I’ve said many times here, Russia does not need to “control” anything in Ukraine except the government buildings in Kiev and perhaps some of the oblasts and a few economically important points such as nuclear reactors (and, of course, the borders.) That’s the stupid American approach – station soldiers on every block – which only ticks off the population.
Russia will locate all the influencers of the nationalists and the neo-Nazis and they will deport them. Once the Ukrainian government is reoriented and the Constitution changed to ban all such parties, there will be no way for these people to influence the government.
Once Russia has reoriented the Ukrainian economy and the new Ukrainian government has dealt with rebuilding, the population will settle into the situation.
In the meantime, anyone causing trouble will be dealt with by overwhelming military force and by the SVR/FSB forces moving in after the war is over.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 29 2022 1:08 utc | 194

Susan | Jun 28 2022 23:41 utc | 170
Some time ago, DPR fighters were say they did not have the numbers for encirclement’s so had to settle for longer term frontal attacks. Russia has the numbers if it wished to use them but there will be a reason for not doing so.
One thing I am seeing is a narrow belt of destruction where the Ukraine military is being destroyed rather than leaving a trail of destruction across Ukraine. Ukraine keeps feeding cannon fodder from other areas into this belt of destruction.
The other thing that is occurring, the longer this drags on, the more suicidal the decisions of the anglo west become. It is also a catalyst for a non US trade currency.
Russia is quite content with a long war. By the time it is over, all those Ukrainians taken in with anglo propaganda and willing to fight for their right to kill and torture Russian Ukrainians and Russians will be dead or maimed.
The torture and murder videos posted on Ukraine telegram channels -completely ignored by the west – quite likely sealed their fate.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 29 2022 1:10 utc | 195

Latest from Brian Berletic at The New Atlas… Only problem is he’s another one who believes in a “rump Ukraine controlled by NATO” – which is bullshit.
Russian Ops in Ukraine (June 28-29, 2022) – West Copes with Ukrainian Losses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cZLquO2QTE

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 29 2022 1:10 utc | 196

Richard Steven Hack | Jun 29 2022 0:38 utc | 184
Richard, whats your thoughts on numbers of trained Ukraine forces prior to the start of this operation. The main number I was hearing was 130,000 facing the Donbas. I guess there would have been ‘trained forces’ also in other areas. So much bullshit though its hard to pin anything down.
A month or more back a lot of units were putting up video saying they had lost 40 – 60% of their force. Now a commander of a unit is saying 80% of trained troops killed or injured.
I am guessing 60-80% of Ukraine trained forces at the start of the operation are now dead or maimed. What would trained mean in the Ukraine situation – 3 months training?, 6 months?
I believe Ukraine has had conscription over the years so many would have had some form of basic training.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 29 2022 1:20 utc | 197

Six years after the event Pepe Escobar summarises the reasons why the British electorate-minus the intelligentsia and the liberals- voted to leave the EU. The lies at the time insisted that only idiots and bigots would vote for Brexit.
And since then smug snobs, full of contempt for the common folk, having torpedoed the option of sovereignty, anti-imperialism and socialist reforms, have blamed ‘Brexit’ for reducing Britain to the NATO hyena that membership of the EU just confirms.
“…As many as 60 European ‘directives’ are issued every year. They must be imperatively transposed into internal law of each EU member-state. In most cases, there’s no debate whatsoever.
“Then there are more than 10,000 European ‘rulings,’ where ‘experts’ at the European Commission (EC) in Brussels issue ‘recommendations’ to every government, straight out of the neoliberal canon, regarding their expenses, their income and ‘reforms’ (on health care, education, pensions) that must be obeyed.
“Thus elections in every single EU member-nation are absolutely meaningless. Heads of national governments – Macron, Scholz, Draghi – are mere executants. No democratic debate is allowed: ‘democracy,’ as with ‘EU values,’ are nothing than smokescreens.
“The real government is exercised by a bunch of apparatchiks chosen by compromise between executive powers, acting in a supremely opaque manner.
“The EC is totally outside of any sort of control. That’s how a stunning mediocrity like Ursula von der Leyen – previously the worst Minister of Defense of modern Germany – was catapulted upwards to become the current EC Fuhrer, dictating their foreign, energy and even economic policy…”
http://thesaker.is/behind-the-tin-curtain-brics-vs-nato-g7/

Posted by: bevin | Jun 29 2022 1:28 utc | 198

The US, NATO and Europe should thank Ukraine and Zelsnsky for beining able to last those four month in this war. All they asked for from Ukraine is to fight for one month until their “100% guaranteed” virtual war of sanctions would do its intended effect on Russia.
The arrogant west failed this time, but it does not mean they will completely retreat. Russia and China and the rest still have many challenges but hopefully we will see the changes coming sooner than it was anticipated a few years ago.

Posted by: Man | Jun 29 2022 1:42 utc | 199

ostro #113
Quoting some Polish military writer:
“But it will only cement the status quo. And the status quo is that NATO has done nothing to prevent a future war between Russia and NATO on the eastern flank.”
Poland, meanwhile, has done everything to aggravate and promote war between nato and Russia. They are not alone of course but they are instigators.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Jun 29 2022 1:44 utc | 200