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May 5, 2022
Ukraine’s Forces Are Told To Hold The Line Where Russian Artillery Is Pulverizing Them

The Russian military forces are grinding down Ukrainian ground forces by extensive use of heavy artillery. The Ukrainian artillery has been destroyed or lacks ammunition.The Ukrainian forces have orders to stay in their position and to hold the line. That only makes sure that Russian artillery strikes will destroy them.

The order was given because the ‘west’ has pushed the Ukrainian president to not make peace with Russia. The consequence will be the assured destruction of the Ukrainian military.


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There are claims that the Russian progress in Ukraine has been slow or has even come to a halt:

The United States assessed last week that Russian troops were making “slow and uneven” progress in the Donbas, often of no more than “several kilometers … on any given day, just because they don’t want to run out too far ahead of their logistics and sustainment lines,” one senior U.S. official told journalists.

But in its daily reports, the Institute for the Study of War noted that Russian forces made no confirmed ground attacks on Monday or Tuesday. It said a Ukrainian artillery strike April 30 on a Russian command headquarters near Izium has slowed the Russian push, and noted that, farther north, a Ukrainian counterattack Monday pushed Russian forces back 25 miles east of Kharkiv.

Those claims do not hold up to reality. As Clausewitz wrote about the Schwerpunkt in ‘On War’:

[N]o matter what the central feature of the enemy’s power may be—the point on which your efforts must converge—the defeat and destruction of his fighting force remains the best way to begin, and in every case will be a very significant feature of the campaign.

Basing our comments on general experience, the acts we consider most important for the defeat of the enemy are the following:

  1. Destruction of his army, if it is at all significant.
  2. Seizure of his capital if it is not only the center of administration but also that of social, professional, and political activity.
  3. Delivery of an effective blow against his principal ally if that ally is more powerful than he.

Accordingly the Russian military is tasked with demilitarizing the Ukraine, Clausewitz’ task one, and that is what it is doing.

Russia is using the best available means to destroy the Ukrainian military. On the ground that means ruthless systematic mass use of artillery.

Reports about the high morale of the Ukrainian soldiers who halt Russian advances are copium when compared with the reality of the battlefield.

From the preface of the book King of Battle: Artillery in World War I (also here):

Artillery dominated the battlefields of World War I. That was seen in various ways, from wounding patterns and doctors’ clinical data, to memoirs, diaries, and letters, through to changed military doctrine after the war. No nation that had experienced significant ground combat would blithely assume morale could replace firepower. Artillery even holds the dubious distinction of causing a new diagnosis, shellshock.

Morale can not replace firepower. Morale gets destroyed when soldiers come under concentrated artillery fire. Russia has plenty of the later.

As I wrote a week ago after reading the Russian military report for that day:

The nearly 1,000 artillery missions in the last 24 hours and on the days before speak of intense preparations for upcoming attacks by Russian mechanized forces. Over all artillery will do the most damage to the Ukrainian troops. In World War II and other modern mechanized wars some 65% of all casualties were caused by artillery strikes. The recent rate on the Ukrainian side will likely be higher.

There were at that time few reports about the artillery situation at the frontline. I have now found three which have since come out. They convey what the power of artillery does to an army and confirm my previous take.

First a Politico piece that was published on the same day I wrote the above and was added to its update. The starkest quotes:

“The situation is very bad, [Russian forces] are using scorched- earth tactics,” the 31-year-old married father of two said via text. “They simply destroy everything with artillery, shelling day and night,” [First Lt. Ivan Skuratovsky] said via text.

The day before, he told POLITICO his soldiers were being bombarded with Russian howitzers, mortars and multiple-launch rocket systems “at the same time.” Just hours earlier, he said, they had been attacked by two Su-25 warplanes, “and our day became hell.”

From an AFP piece, published on April 30, we have this:

Russian troops in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region have shifted from a steamroller strategy to one of relentlessly chipping away at their opponents in the hope of grinding them down.

Ukraine’s army has little option but to try to stall their larger and better-equipped enemy in the sprawling plains of Donbas, where artillery is king.

Pessimism about the chances of pushing back the Russians appears to be spreading.

Although they are holding their ground on the battlefield, many of Ukraine’s infantry soldiers admit to feeling overwhelmed.

“Viking”, a 27-year-old staff sergeant who fought in Kreminna said his comrades are exhausted and waiting for the order to pull back.

“If it was a war between infantry forces, we would have a chance. But in this area, it’s first and foremost an artillery war and we don’t have enough artillery,” he says.

“For every 300 shells they fire, we fire three.”

And from yesterday’s Christian Science Monitor this:

The Ukrainian artillery team was moving into position in the northern Donbas region, along the front line near Izium. The soldiers did not even have time to orient their guns before they were found by a Russian drone.

The first Russian 152 mm shells – fired by howitzers more than 10 miles away – landed near the Ukrainian guns. As the artillery team ran for safety, its vehicle was hit and set on fire.

The driver, badly wounded, veered straight into bushes as shells rained down. The survivors escaped on foot, across open fields.

Roman, a young artilleryman with a short patchy beard, recalled the events from a darkened military hospital room in Kramatorsk, his eyes glazed and an intravenous drip in his left arm, as he recovered from blast concussion. He gave only his first name, in keeping with Ukrainian military rules for wounded soldiers.

The biggest surprise for him? “That I am still alive here, after that shelling,” he says listlessly, closing his eyes and lying back on his bed.

Russia has escalated its shelling in an apparent bid to advance on the eastern region both from the Izium axis in the north and up from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia in the south. The pincers movement seeks to cut off some of Ukraine’s most battle-hardened forces ..

In Roman’s unit the driver is dead, the commander is in intensive care, another artilleryman has shrapnel wounds, and the rest are concussed, like Roman.

“Their artillery never, never stops,” says the deputy commander of Ukraine’s Donbas Battalion, a major who only gave the nickname Kot (Cat). He spoke in Sloviansk with a balaclava covering his face, as an air raid siren wailed across the city.

“They are changing their strategy, but it is still what we would expect from Russia,” says Major Kot. There are no more long, vulnerable columns: “They are sending recon units, then shell with artillery, and then send tanks,” he says. “If those tanks are destroyed, they send more tanks.”

“We really have a lack of heavy artillery,” says Ukrainian Sgt. Viktor Davydov, still wired and speaking quickly of Ukraine’s needs, after returning to the town of Druzhkivka from the front, where he says Russian artillery strikes continue “24/7.”

“When Russia sends incoming 200 shells, we send back 10 shells,” says Sergeant Davydov, who wears sunglasses, a pistol on his thigh, and a skull shoulder patch in the blue and yellow colors of the Ukrainian flag.

His job is to take freshly mobilized men to the front “to show them not to be afraid,” and to teach them “how to dig in and make very effective defensive positions” to compensate for the firepower imbalance with Russia.

“I tell them that all they have to do is hold our line, and not retreat,” says Sergeant Davydov. The cost can be high. The sergeant recalls 10 recruits in late April being sent to him one night at 11 p.m. By 6 a.m. two were dead and three wounded by Russian artillery.

The Ukrainian parliament recently change the law so that the Ukrainian territorial defense forces, comparable to the German Volkssturm, can now be used throughout the country. The locals in west Ukraine who volunteered for these units hoping to avoid being drafted into the army will now be send to the Donbas frontline where Russian artillery will eat them up.

The U.S. has send about 100 howitzer to Ukraine and a similar number of various artillery pieces will come from other NATO countries. There are several problems with these.

The first issue is training. Howitzer can not be used by newbies. How many Ukrainians with artillery experience are still alive?

Delivered to the west-Ukrainian border the guns will need to be transported 1,000 kilometer (600 miles) to the east. Their heavy ammunition, and artillery needs a lot, will have to come the same way.


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Russia has now destroyed a total of 16 electric substations along the railway lines. Yesterday Russia damaged a major railway bridge over the Dnieper. Another railway bridge on the line from Romania to Odessa was completely destroyed.

The Ukraine can therefore only use its few diesel locomotives to transport the guns and ammunition. Whatever will come through to the eastern front will be too little too late.

For some time Russia had made it a priority to destroy Ukrainian artillery. Yesterday’s evening briefing by the Russian Defense Ministry noted:

High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces during the day destroyed: 4 artillery batteries at firing positions, 3 ammunition depots near Mirnaya Dolina, Bakhmutskaya and Tashkovka, 20 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, and 1 US-made counter-battery radar station near Popasnaya.

Missile troops and artillery have hit 1 Ukrainian battery of BM-21 Grad multiple rocket launchers at firing positions, as well as 83 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration.

A battery is a company sized (~100 men) artillery unit with usually 6 guns. The battery is used as a firing unit which means that all its guns fire at the same time and onto the same target.

Today’s morning briefing claimed more Ukrainian artillery losses:

Missile troops have hit 2 AFU command posts, 1 artillery battery at a firing position, as well as 2 launchers and 1 transport and loading vehicle of Tochka-U tactical missile system during the night.

Artillery units have hit 32 command posts, 5 ammunition depots, 403 strongholds, areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, and 51 Ukrainian artillery positions.

Those are six Ukrainian batteries, each most likely with 6 guns or multiple rocket launchers, destroyed in just 24 hours. Those U.S. guns that reach the frontline will have a similar fate.

In total the Russian military claims to have destroyed “325 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,306 field artillery and mortars” during the war.

A new participant in artillery fights are drones which are used on both sides to direct artillery fire onto enemy positions. The Russian military claims that it took down 20 of the Ukrainian ones during the last 24 hours for a total of 726.

The briefings claim that Russian forces ‘eliminated’ up to 900 ‘nationalists’ over the last 24 hours. That number may be too high but with all the mass use of artillery it is entirely plausible.

Without artillery support in good quantity the Ukrainian military has no chance to hold the line and to stop Russian moves. Any unit which attempts is hold the line will simply be mauled by Russian artillery until it is no longer able to fight. That is happening now. As the Ukrainians have orders not to leave or move their defense lines they either have to give up or die defending them.

By giving ‘hold the line’ orders the Ukrainian leadership is contributing to the Russian demilitarization of the Ukraine.

Why is it doing that? The situation for the Ukraine is hopeless and has been for some time. Why has its President Zelensky not given up? Why does he not agree to Russia’s peace conditions?

We can find the answer in a piece published today in Ukraine’s Pravda (machine translation):

Potential Zelensky-Putin talks paused after Johnson’s arrival – sources

After the arrival of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson in Kyiv, a possible meeting between Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky and Russian President Vladimir Putin has become less likely.

According to UP sources close to Zelensky, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who appeared in the capital almost without warning, brought two simple messages.

The first is that Putin is a war criminal, he needs to be squeezed, and not negotiated with him.

And secondly, if Ukraine is ready to sign any agreements on guarantees with him, then they are not.

This position of Johnson testified: the collective West, which back in February offered Zelensky to surrender and run away, now felt that Putin was actually not at all as omnipotent as he was imagined, and that right now there was a chance to squeeze him.

Three days after Johnson left for the UK, Putin went public and said talks with Ukraine “have reached an impasse.”

It is the ‘west’ that is preventing Zelensky from suing for peace.

The ‘west’ has fallen for its own propaganda. It believes that the Russian troops near Kiev were defeated by Ukrainian forces. In reality they retreated in good order after the diversion they constituted was no longer needed. The ‘western’ fairytale that they were ‘defeated’ gave hope that Russia could be ‘weakened’, as the U.S. Secretary of State said.

The war will hardly ‘weaken’ Russia. But the war will destroy the Ukrainian military and many, many of its men.

Comments

Posted by: Rob | May 5 2022 19:07 utc | 57
“which will involve moving 100,000 Russian troops into Ukraine from the north (Belarus) to block all road traffic from Poland”
That’s exactly what I suggested a month or so ago that the Russians should do. I doubt it will be done, though, as moving 100,000 Russian troops to Belarus (even if you include Belorussian forces in the total) would be a major operation. Not sure Russia would bother.
However, the main reason I suggested doing it was not just to block weapons transfers, but to prevent Poland from doing an incursion and also to threaten Lvov, thereby stimulating a flight of nationalists into Poland. Given that talk of a Polish incursion has increased in the last couple weeks, I still think it would be a good idea. But it’s also possible that any Polish incursion can also be countered by large-scale missile attacks.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 6 2022 4:15 utc | 201

Posted by: Stonebird | May 5 2022 20:48 utc | 100
The statement that US “intelligence” was responsible for the deaths of Russian Generals – which turns the US Generals into targets. They do not seem to appreciate “joining” the war personally.
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I think the reason for this “leak” is quite obvious. If Russia *has* some US Generals in the cross-hairs, US wants them to pull the trigger. Azovstal, anyone? To me this smells that a) rumors there is NATO personal in the bunkers are true and b) they probably have interesting stories to tell.
What I do not understand is how the US can believe this move would work.

Posted by: TomD | May 6 2022 4:17 utc | 202

“No one comes to the Father except through me.”
Did Jesus not speak those words?
When Christ died for us, he became the new covenant, the new Jerusalem.
All the Jews who did not follow him thusly from that point on became revolutionaries against this new Jerusalem and have been ever since. Please have a look at the writings of E. Michael Jones if you want to know all the love your brothers in Christ have for us Christians and the world’s Jerusalem.

Sorry to rebuke such a nice person. But these are not nice times.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 6 2022 2:41 utc | 186
Thank you, NemesisCalling, but you are not rebuking me. The part of your answer I have put in italics is your opinion. I will further observe that indeed, yes, Jesus did say ‘through me’ — my thought on this is that his asking for forgiveness at the hour of death on the cross could be considered that exact entry, even for those who were calling for his death. What else could forgiveness at such a critical time mean? (And those were not nice times either.)
Also, thanks to Anne B @ 112, I looked again at Stephen’s defense speech before the council in Acts 7, which begins “Brethren and Fathers, hear me…”
Lastly, my understanding is that when asked who is my neighbor, the answer given was the Good Samaritan – someone even further removed than were practising Jews — the point being that only God knows the hearts of men in order to judge brotherly love. Christians are asked to follow Christ; that’s a tall order in light of your quote and my previous one as well.
You might respond that this is my opinion, but I would simply say yes, it is, and it apparently is Putin’s opinion also. ‘Judgment is mine’, saith the Lord.

Posted by: juliania | May 6 2022 4:18 utc | 203

No, Israeli prime minister said so.
Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said he accepted an apology from Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday for controversial remarks about the Holocaust made by Moscow’s top diplomat.
Posted by: hopehely | May 6 2022 4:12 utc | 200
From the article you linked:
“The two leaders talked by phone, after which an Israeli statement said Putin had apologized. However, the Russian statement about the call made no mention of an apology. Instead, it said they emphasized the importance of marking the Nazi defeat in the Second World War, which Russia celebrates on Monday”.

Posted by: K | May 6 2022 4:26 utc | 204

bevin | May 6 2022 3:31 utc | 193
I think there is a complete Nato headquarters in the bunker system- If I read Kadyrov correctly, there are four more generals, then I think all the associated staff.
But putting a Nato headquarters and a bio weapons lab in the same bunker system?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2022 4:32 utc | 205

@203 Juliania
That’s a stretch, Juliania, especially coming from an Orthodox who believes in the living presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist where I have heard Nuns used to warn their pupils to not give their Host to any Jewish friend because of their utter hatred for our Lord.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 6 2022 4:35 utc | 206

Posted by: karlof1 | May 5 2022 22:12 utc | 126
“the decision to directly enter the war and not to rely on EuroNATO to defend itself, which IMO is something Biden wants to avoid…”
I used to give Biden the benefit of the doubt, but no longer. I think he is, as Mercouris suggests, fully obsessed with this war and fully on board with Blinken and Sullivan’s approach and will eventually get at least NATO, if not the US directly, into the war. He’s just looking for a way to avoid being blamed for starting a full NATO-Russia war, just as most US Presidents try to avoid being blamed by finding a casus belli. That and the fact that he is an inveterate liar means all his previous protestations and apparent recognition of the threat of WWIII are probably bogus.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 6 2022 4:39 utc | 207

George Galloway interviewed Elijah Magnier on Europe’s destruction of its own economy.
FULL INTERVIEW: It’s an act of self harm. Europe is destroying its own economy. #ElijahMagnier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyHPhylCCk4

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 6 2022 4:53 utc | 208

Posted by: Tom | May 5 2022 19:02 utc | 52

I think option #3 would be the best. What do you think?

I think you are democrat!

Posted by: Vajezatha | May 6 2022 4:53 utc | 209

Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, William Taylor, stated on CNN that he knows someone who’s been to the Ukrainian front lines and U.S. howitzers are already in use there and are taking out Russian tanks.
If true, those howitzers should never have made it this far into Eastern Ukraine. More are on the way, so press the button and pulverize them en route and in the field.
The Russian response to U.S. intel involvement in the sinking of the Moskva and the multiple deaths of Russian generals has been very low key to date.
I hope Putin has a long memory in regards to such losses, once Russian forces have successfully accomplished the mission in Ukraine, and there’s no longer a threat that this operation could escalate into war between Russia and the U.S.
U.S. responsibility in ensuring these tragedies cannot go unpunished indefinitely. Pardon the expression that may appear offensive to cats, but there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Posted by: Circe | May 6 2022 4:54 utc | 210

@ Juliania addendum
If I can say one last thing to you it would be I think you are more arguing the essence of Christianity and I am more arguing its existence as Christendom.
Before I became a Catholic and interested in geopolitics, I was very interested in Kierkegaard’s radical examination of religion and Christianity. He paricularly rails against the Hegelian notion of religious life which is somewhere settled between immediacy and absolute freedom within an average civic life.
As I have gotten older, I understand Hegel more and realize that Christendom as a physical body is under great attack by the world. Whether through drugs, pornography, feminism, you name it. I am trying to win back as many souls as I can.
In my late understanding of Kierkegaard, he is still unsurpassed in his ability to communicate with God, yet I realize now Kierkegaard is not at odds with Hegel so much as he is the greatest Hegelian in his ability to speak about Christianity in such a profound and mysterious manner.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 6 2022 4:55 utc | 211

Sinking a Rus ship must have been fake news after reading this!

Posted by: dogeater2015 | May 6 2022 5:02 utc | 212

@K # 204

From the article you linked:
“The two leaders talked by phone, after which an Israeli statement said Putin had apologized. However, the Russian statement about the call made no mention of an apology. Instead, it said they emphasized the importance of marking the Nazi defeat in the Second World War, which Russia celebrates on Monday”.

Given that Putin is a skilled diplomat, unlike the savage thugs and cretins that rule the Evil Empire, I read between the lines as follows: Putin and the ZioNazi agreed that the ZioNazi could claim Putin apologized, and Russia would neither confirm nor deny that claim. No harm to Russia really, really, the point is of course completely true but irrelevant. Jews (and here, obviously, I mean organized Jewry, the tribe, the “Jewish nation”, so all you Jew supremacists and toadies, take your “anti-Semitism” red herring and shove it where the sun don’t shine), being the aggressive chauvinist supremacist crybabies the rest of the world has gotten to know over the past millennia, get offended at the idea that a Jew could harm another Jew, while they delight at the wars they foment with Arab against Arab or Ukrainian against Ukrainian, etc., etc., etc. Not to mention Hitler’s goal was hardly to annihilate Jews, as the Holohoax narrative claims, but to transfer Jews to Israel – by happenstance, no doubt, the exact same goal Herzl and the other Jewish Zionists had.
If Putin had infinite balls, he would call out the Holohoax. But he no doubt realizes the Evil Empire savages would punish as many Russians as they could, and he would have no way to stop it short of ending life on Earth as we know it, as the Evil Empire violently detests honesty as much as any other indicia of independence from their brutal totalitarianism.

Posted by: CalDre | May 6 2022 5:10 utc | 213

Manage without me@ 168
True enough. But the ones we’re interested in arrived after the war and disappeared into the existing communities. I know of one personally who passed himself and family off as German – he was, in fact, an ex-OUN whose son told me his father would look nervously out the front window any time an unknown car parked on their street (this was in a small town – I won’t say where). He later told them just before he died that it was because he was scared the Russians had found him. The family changed their name when they found out who and what he had really been. I thought a clue might have been the brown OUN jackboots he proudly gave his eldest son on his 16th birthday. Had kept them all those years.

Posted by: hoggy | May 6 2022 5:14 utc | 214

I have to disagree with this article. Ukrainians had 7 years to dig in. When Russian Artillery hits their positions they will just go underground and wait. So all this Artillery is useless without a simultaneous ground offensive. Additionally German Panzerhaubitze 2000, French Caesar etc. aren’t on the field yet afaik.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 6 2022 5:21 utc | 215

@Patroklos | May 5 2022 21:47 utc | 119

Right on my Viking friend. Let’s come from the land of the ice and snow, from the midnight sun where the hot springs flow…
What did you have in mind?

Thank you for the great LZ reference 🙂
I don’t have anything particular in mind, I am a peaceful person. But I do think that the US fighting wars to the detriment of people everywhere except in the US itself is so deeply immoral and cowardly that quite frankly it would be deserved if the next war was fought in the US itself. It seems the only way to teach the US citizens about the cost of war.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2022 5:30 utc | 216

@Lex | May 6 2022 1:55 utc | 170
Interesting, have to check that blog. The best resource about Bandera proper is the biography by Grzegorz Rossolinski-Liebe Stepan Bandera: The Life and Afterlife of a Ukrainian Nationalist: Fascism, Genocide, and Cult (Stuttgart: Ibidem Press, 2014). Also interesting “Holocaust Amnesia: The Ukrainian Diaspora and the Genocide of the Jews” in German Yearbook of Contemporary History 1 (2016) by the same author.
Mind that in Norway MacDonalds sells “Bandera Burgers”. Next will be Himmler Burgers.

Posted by: aquadraht | May 6 2022 5:37 utc | 217

Anonymous | May 6 2022 5:21 utc | 215
The only fortified fence system is along the old Donbas frontlines. Big guns with drone and GPS targeting have bee brought in. One of those I watched can take out a bunker 10 meters underground.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2022 5:41 utc | 218

russian tech shortages are similar to usa. we are talking the 2nm wafer chip. weapons dont use these they use much older almost obsolete , easier to get 24nm etc. i did see an article early in the smo that spoke of rapid development by the state to push this industry as it was sanctioned. all in all with usa manufacturing theres no real difference, even tsmc has delayed its usa factories. china has access and no doubt will share tech know how and product.

Posted by: hankster | May 6 2022 5:45 utc | 219

I used to give Biden the benefit of the doubt, but no longer. I think he is, as Mercouris suggests, fully obsessed with this war and fully on board with Blinken and Sullivan’s approach and will eventually get at least NATO, if not the US directly, into the war.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 6 2022 4:39 utc | 207
Yes, it appears to me it’s personal, and I assume its because Putin clobbered his grifting rackets there is Ukraine, and outsmarted his war plans. Likely to lose both houses now too. Not to mention the coming trials and the big fish in Azovstal.
One thinks of Ahab and the Whale. Biden has always been a second tier crook, always on the take. The White House must be a real hot mess these days. Superb choice of 25th amendment insurance he has though.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 6 2022 5:45 utc | 220

@pretzelattack | May 5 2022 23:07 utc | 134

“the parrot is just resting”

“It’s pining for the fjords.”
I agree that Biden dropping dead would not be significant in itself, but the chain reaction starting with the horrendous Harris replacement is unpredictable.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2022 5:48 utc | 221

As far as Russian thinking about possible developements in this war outside Ukraine, perhaps this might provide a clue
https://www.feedandgrain.com/news/russia-donates-wheat-to-cuba
20,000 tons of grain
Maybe the subs are already there

Posted by: Gerrard White | May 6 2022 6:01 utc | 222

hankster | May 6 2022 5:45 utc | 219
Radiation resistant chips are the main thing for the modern arms production. Russia set that up as part of the self sufficiency move after 2014 I think.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2022 6:19 utc | 223

aquadraht | May 6 2022 5:37 utc | 217 “Mind that in Norway MacDonalds sells “Bandera Burgers”. Next will be Himmler Burgers.”
soylent green comes to mid.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2022 6:22 utc | 224

b, I think you are getting bogged down in trivia, just as the Russian military appears to be getting bogged down. Nobody denies that Russia is a more powerful country than Ukraine. Nobody denies that a lot of Ukrainians are dying. The question is whether any of this will benefit Russia, or indeed anybody else. My opinion:
1. As a result of the invasion of Ukraine as (ineptly) conducted, Russia has two options: to complete a slow, limited occupation of Ukrainian territory where Russian-speakers are in a majority, or to complete a slow, limited occupation of the entire country.
2. If Russia occupies the eastern Ukraine indefinitely, the result will be an indefinite war, with the vast resources of NATO placed behind Ukraine. This is a war which Russia could not hope to win and which will surely gradually erode the authority of the Russian government as the death tolls mount and the economic consequences grow. There is no chance that Russia could install a stable pro-Russian government in Kyiv.
3. If Russia occupies the whole of Ukraine, which will take a long time at current rates of movement, the result will be an indefinite guerrilla war in Galicia and possibly elsewhere in Ukraine, with the vast resources of NATO placed behind the guerrillas and the bulk of the population of the occupied territory supporting the guerrillas. This is a war which Russia could not hope to win.
4. Whether Russia sits in the eastern Ukraine, or whether it occupies the whole territory until it is driven out, the effect will be to ensure that the majority of Ukrainians support NATO unquestioningly, meaning that NATO will be free to deploy whatever forces it chooses in Ukraine the moment the opportunity develops – either once Russia stops expanding into Ukraine, or once the Russian occupation forces leave.
5. Therefore, the war against Ukraine does not solve any of the problems which Russia had with Ukraine before the war, while it has brought a large number of new problems.
6. Since the Ukrainian war is a proxy war, it follows that the temporary defeat of the proxy accomplishes nothing, just as the occupation of Afghanistan accomplished nothing for the Soviet Union, and therefore the only way to end the war is either to stop NATO from supporting Ukraine, or to directly defeat NATO militarily.
7. NATO’s support for Ukraine is comparatively cheap for it – particularly for the U.S., which is cushioned by Europe from the economic consequences of the war. Support for the war is almost universal in the U.S., and since opposition to the war is censored out of existence, expecting the U.S. to walk away from the war is like expecting Nazi Germany to abandon Franco during the Spanish Civil War.
8. Russia has always been militarily weaker than NATO, and the disparity has grown since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The poor performance of the Russian military in the Ukrainian invasion shows that there is no qualitative superiority on the Russian side to compensate for a quantative superiority on the NATO side. Therefore, if war breaks out between Russia and NATO, Russia will inevitably lose unless China can be brought into the war.
9. While China is sympathetic to Russia’s aims in Ukraine it shows no sign of wishing to provoke a world war which nobody would win, since it would almost certainly become a nuclear war, and which would destroy all the achievements which China has accomplisyhed since 1949. It does not have a big enough dog in the Ukrainian fight.
10. Therefore, the Russian invasion of Ukraine was a mistake – unless there is a catastrophic collapse of Atlantic economic activity as a result of another financial collapse (which is overdue). This is a possibility, but the question is whether Russia could hold out until then. Another problem is that a Western financial collapse could be resolved by the West starting a war with Russia

Posted by: MFB | May 6 2022 7:15 utc | 225

Is it not time to prosecute Boris Johnson for war crimes. Instructing the marionette Zelenski not to sue for peace with Russia will result in the deaths of many Ukrainian men for no reason that benefits Ukraine. He is an evil bastard who wishes to prolong the war in the unlikely hope Russia will be weakened and the Western financial elite can remain top dog. Frankly I hope the ugly c_ _t meets a painfull end just as he has prescribed for many unfortunate Ukrainians.

Posted by: Ike | May 6 2022 7:17 utc | 226

There is a very interesting piece today over at “Dances With Bears” written by Vlad Shlepchenko, in which he makes the case that in order to win and end the war, Russia will have to stop the flow of weapons from the West as they enter Ukraine from Poland. He believes that this will be done in Phase 3, which will involve moving 100,000 Russian troops into Ukraine from the north (Belarus) to block all road traffic from Poland. http://johnhelmer.net/the-last-ditch-is-poland-russias-phase-3-plan-for-western-ukraine/
Posted by: Rob | May 5 2022 19:07 utc | 57

Helmer is very patchy – sometimes great, sometimes crap. The above claim – in my opinion – is total delusion.
1) The supply of weapons from the west is totally useless to Ukraine, and those weapons are getting very thoroughly destroyed by Russia. With the destruction of transport routes, it is even more useless.
2) The destruction of huge quantities of armaments from the West is depleting US/NATO reserve stocks that cannot be quickly replenished because of slow production and desperate shortages of critical resources. Meanwhile Russia is replenishing high precision missiles as fast as she can use them, with high level production.
3) Russia has time on her side – pulverising the enemy forces and pulverising western military reserve stocks works well to her advantage, no need to change that.
4) Come Phase 3 [or 4 or 5 or substitute digit according to taste] – forcing NATO back to 1997 boundaries – the current pulverising of NATO reserve stocks will come in very handy, and serve to Russia’s immense advantage.

Posted by: BM | May 6 2022 7:26 utc | 227

Posted by: BM | May 6 2022 7:26 utc | 227
This war is not about Ukraine, it is about US/NATO attempts to destroy Russia. Ukraine is just the current battlefield.

Posted by: BM | May 6 2022 7:29 utc | 228

168 – There was a fair amount of Communist support among Ukrainians in Canada, up until the 1950s. The first Communist to achieve elected office in North America was a Ukrainian-Canadian by the name of Bill Kolesnyk, I think sometime in the 1920s. Canadian Communists in the 1920s and 1930s sometimes complained that the Party was turning into a Ukrainian social club. A fair number of Canadians killed fighting with the Mackenzie-Papineau battalion in the Spanish Civil War were of Ukrainian origin. This support eroded in the post-WW2 Red Scare, de-Stalinisation and reactions to it, emigration to Canada by Ukrainians with far right sympathies etc.

Posted by: Waldorf | May 6 2022 7:34 utc | 229

K #195
Most stuff on RT needs verification. It certainly is not a Russian propaganda outfit.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 6 2022 7:35 utc | 230

@Circe | May 6 2022 4:54 utc | 210
Is there any solid evidence that such claims are not just from the “Ghost of Kiev” school of journalism?

Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2022 7:38 utc | 231


To me this smells that a) rumors there is NATO personal in the bunkers are true and b) they probably have interesting stories to tell.

Posted by: TomD | May 6 2022 4:17 utc | 202

Yes, absolutely, I even think it’s possible to read a lot of the chatter and escalation threats over the path month as a sense of increasing desperation at the prospect of Azovstal CHUDs falling into RF hands.
NATO+ outside Azovstal are at the anger / bargaining stage, those inside, the depression / acceptance stage.
Notice how threatened escalations are always moves that NATO+ was bound to make eventually anyway, in a protracted Ukrainian conflict, notice also that “shocking” revelations of US involvement in the targeting of Moskva and RF generals, US involvement was already assumed by everyone.
There is something weirdly pathetic, monomaniacal even, about the NATO+ messaging around Azovstal.
Some of their own dirty little snuff-hustlers are down there. Any intelligence officers among them might know a very great deal about what’s been going on in that part of Ukraine, maybe the whole country.
It’s a “humanitarian” tragedy =)

Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2022 7:39 utc | 232

Posted by: BM | May 6 2022 7:26 utc | 227
Sorry, forgot also to say:
5) Sending forces from Belarus south along the Poland-Ukraine border is not going to happen unless Russia can protect the long logistics route required – certainly not before Donbass is safely tied up and central and western Ukraine is not a major threat. Any Polish transgression will be dealt with using standoff weapons. No need to commit ground forces.
6) Meanwhile Russia may be strategically aiming to allow more Ukrainian men and material into the Donbass cauldron (and/or new cauldrons to the west, east of the Dnieper), which depletes forces from western Ukraine and would make a future operation in western Ukraine that much easier.

Posted by: BM | May 6 2022 7:41 utc | 233

@aquadraht | May 6 2022 5:37 utc | 217

Mind that in Norway MacDonalds sells “Bandera Burgers”. Next will be Himmler Burgers.

I never go to such places, so this was unknown to me. However, I looked it up and found this exchange of communication between someone who “drove past a MacDonalds restaurant” noticing the “Bandera Burger”
https://fackel.substack.com/p/footnote-30-me-vs-mcdonalds-bandera?s=r
Apparently, McDonalds in Norway claims to “understand” and have decided to immediately change the product name. Well, isn’t that comforting.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2022 7:49 utc | 234

214 – An old man who lived in a Scottish village was known locally as “Alec the Pole”. He was interviewed about two decades ago on TV and is presumably now dead. He spoke with a sort of hybrid Scottish-Slavic accent. He was not a Pole at least in the ethnic sense although before WW2 he lived on Polish territory. He had been in the Galician SS division during the war and post-war came to Britain. Polish identity was safer in his view than Ukrainian, it seems, and his neighbours could not tell the difference anyway.

Posted by: Waldorf | May 6 2022 7:50 utc | 235

John Keegan in The Face of Battle has a good chapter on the mechanics of earthen fortifications versus artillery in his analysis of the First Battle of the Somme – worth revisiting
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Face_of_Battle

Posted by: Exile | May 6 2022 7:55 utc | 236

Is it not time to prosecute Boris Johnson for war crimes. Instructing the marionette Zelenski not to sue for peace with Russia will result in the deaths of many Ukrainian men for no reason that benefits Ukraine.
Posted by: Ike | May 6 2022 7:17 utc | 226

That Johnson [and Truss] is a war criminal is in any case totally beyond question, but I am also wondering:
a) is it a war crime for a head of state or military leader to order his army to fight to the death when no proportional [own national interest] strategic objective is being served by that loss? I don’t know, but it seems highly probable;
b) is it a war crime for the head of another state to pressure the first head of state to cause unnecessary loss of life of his own army as above? I don’t know, but it seems entirely possible.
In any case the proper destiny for both Johnson and Truss – and many others – is as defendants in the war crimes tribunals. I hope they can make it there.

Posted by: BM | May 6 2022 7:59 utc | 237

@Norwegian | May 6 2022 7:49 utc | 234
@aquadraht | May 6 2022 5:37 utc | 217
For the record: “Homestyle Bandera” by McDonalds
https://fackel.substack.com/p/footnote-29-homestyle-bandera-beef?s=r

Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2022 8:04 utc | 238

karlof1 | May 6 2022 0:14 utc | 146
K | May 6 2022 3:50 utc | 195
hopehely | May 6 2022 4:12 utc | 200
“Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said he accepted an apology from Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday”
I read this as a title in Haaretz. So it must have been “wishful thinking to amuse the media motivated masses”.
However, since then Bennett has said that he (or the Israeli Gov.?) is no longer interested in being the middle man in negotiations between Ukraine and Russia. ie. Israel has chosen a camp.
Possibly they were hoping to cash in on both sides, ie. As sellers of lethalware and “soldiers of fortune” to the Ukrainians, and as profiteers as “insider Oligarchs” in Russia, in any later phase. (Win or lose, the position of the Oligarchs could be meanoeuvred into taking advantage).
*****
Just saw a person describing how the Ukrainians are NOT TAKING ANY RUSSIAN prisoners. To follow, as this is clearly a description of war crimes.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 6 2022 8:05 utc | 239

France: Macron’s party renames itself Renaissance
Wouldn’t “Azovstal” be a more relevant and contemporary name?
After firing Vidaud, for being caught implementing a plan of which they must all have known and approved, I think Macro will end up having to fire someone for failing to tell him that France is actually in NATO.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2022 8:08 utc | 240

anon2020 | May 6 2022 7:39 utc | 232
I share your sense that NATO’s messaging re Azovstal is pathetic. But I wonder too about the recent in-your-face exposures regarding US involvement in targeting Russian generals, Moskva and the crashed Ilyushin troop transport. It seems to me that these are deliberate provocations designed to precipitate an over the top Russian reaction like an attack directly on a US general, warship or transport plane. This in turn justifies a US mini-nuke or similar and creates enough media noise that any revelations regarding Azovstal and a NATO command centre and/or biolab get lost in the hubbub.
Does anyone wonder if Musk’s takeover of Twitter presents an interesting opportunity for China to facilitate open debate about Azovstal? Seems to me that a lot of the fortune of the world’s richest man depends on the success of Tesla’s Chinese adventure.

Posted by: Cyberhorse | May 6 2022 8:12 utc | 241

Foreign Affairs has an article evaluating Russia’s military strategy in Ukraine. Its main point is that Russia made an error by wanting to do everything at once.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2022-04-29/how-not-invade-nation
One of the two authors is Frederick W. Kagan, brother in law of Victoria Nuland.

Posted by: Wim | May 6 2022 8:16 utc | 242

“Posted by: BM | May 6 2022 7:29 utc | 228”
I doubt this war is about destroying Russia, though maybe that is part of it in a later stage.
Another part of this war may be a game of jewish revenge. Not just Zelenski, but also Putin is jewish (source and another source)
So we have one jew with the help of western allies recruiting neo-nazi extremists, sending them to the meat grinder operated by another jew.
Yet another part is blocking trade and making the whole world suffer food and energy shortages. Millions of Tons of Grain Stuck in Ukraine amid Fears of Global Food Crisis

Posted by: RON | May 6 2022 8:18 utc | 243

MFB | May 6 2022 7:15 utc | 225
The main problem with your theory is that had Russia not invaded when it did, Nato was going to attack it anyway. So invasion or not Russia was going to have to fight Ukraine and Nato anyway.
How would you have handled it?

Posted by: Cyberhorse | May 6 2022 8:20 utc | 244

MFB | May 6 2022 7:15 utc | 225
The chips on the table are “the whole world”. Ukraine and even Taiwan are only part of the total.
Note that the South Americans are getting their stuff together to act as a bloc. (RE. Lithium) and are getting the US out.
The Africans so far are “neutral”, but many will have problems with feeding the masses in the near future. Will they ask for “more” IMF, WB loans and be thrust into greater debt slavery – or will they ask the Chinese?
Middle East- write your own script. What about the resurgence of “US supported opposition” (Massoud) to the Taliban in Afghanistan , and the recent coupe in Pakistan, plus the rather determined neutrality of India?
Saudi-Yemen?
***
You will need to add several new chapters to your post.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 6 2022 8:23 utc | 245

Two days ago we had the NY Times reporting that the US did help targeting the Russian generals. Now Pentagon press secretary John Kirby has denied that the US was giving such specific information about top Russian officers.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/ukraine-russia-moskva-flagship-sank-us-b2072720.html

Posted by: Wim | May 6 2022 8:33 utc | 246

waynorinorway #198
Thank you for the pointer to Ellen Brown, I shall do some reading there.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 6 2022 8:44 utc | 247

@aquadraht | May 6 2022 5:37 utc | 217
@ Peter AU1 | May 6 2022 6:22 utc | 224
@Norwegian | May 6 2022 7:49 utc | 234, 8:04 utc | 238
I haven’t been to a MacDonalds since Hitler was a road guard and they have not yet invaded in the
north of Norway so that caught me by surprise and I had to look it up too.
As usual Peter AU1 is right on it with a snarky remark. In this case though I will excuse him,
but a little info may help. (love ya, Peter, don’t stop)
Bandera is the Spanish word for flag, so it could properly be labeled Banner Burger. Apparently it is in
the Tex-Mex genre of junk food, not surprising since MacDonalds originated in the American SW.
There is a Bandera beef that comes out of that region.
It must also be kept in mind that the Americans not only invade militarily but culturally. That
MacDonalds even have a presence here in Norway is testament to their occupation here as much as the USS Kearsarge
a/c carrier that now docks regularly here in Tromsø and US/NATO ships that pass daily by my window.
I’m certain that the name Bandera Burger came out of the marketing dept. in the US but still,
someone here should have pulled their head out sooner. Since Maidan it’s not like the association wouldn’t be noticed.
If Russia really was in a hurry they would supply the Ukraine Army with MacDonalds ‘food’ and supersize everything.
Fat undernourished soldiers make lousy fighters!

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 6 2022 8:45 utc | 248

A number of replies to 225 which opens with this statement
“b, I think you are getting bogged down in trivia, just as the Russian military appears to be getting bogged down.”
Troll central. Propagater or infected makes no difference. US/UK psyops is like the pathogen responsible for rabies. Those infected need to be put down.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2022 8:50 utc | 249

Posted by: digital dinosaur | May 6 2022 2:13 utc | 177

I don’t think the Russians will care one way or another what the remainder of Ukraine think of them once this operation is over and they have carved out the better part of it for their ‘patronage’; no matter how long it takes.
They will (already have in most respects) turn their backs on Europe completely & irrevocably and focus fully on the great bulk of Eurasia to the east.

Are broken bridges between Russia and Europe in the former’s interests?
It is certainly what the USA wants and has been arranging to have happen, and the USA isn’t part of the Eurasian landmass.
What’s the point of the name ‘Eurasia’ if it excludes the European peninsula?

Posted by: joey_n | May 6 2022 8:58 utc | 250

joey_n | May 6 2022 8:58 utc | 250
The European peninsula has no future for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2022 9:05 utc | 251

Pandora | May 5 2022 18:05 utc | 22
RE: 21CW reports
Seems to me that introducing DU munitions against DPR, LPR, & Russia by US, UK, NATO is the equivalent of taking this conflict to nuclear weapons and will be responded to, not in-kind but with total escalation. This venue isn’t like the previous ones where the US easily got away with using those nuclear poisoned munitions without accountability. Nobody was in a position then… Russia is a whole other ball of wax and LPR & DPR are essentially Russian in land & people and it isn’t unlikely that The Ukraine would fire them into Russia proper. Existential indeed!

Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | May 6 2022 9:07 utc | 252

#–While you are speaking for others? lol
Posted by: aquadraht | May 6 2022 1:09 utc | 158
What does I mean to you? Just curious? Can you actually read?

Posted by: Anne B | May 6 2022 9:17 utc | 253

What I wonder about is the impact of delivering artillery hits 24/7 on the Russian troops behind the guns. There are now numerous studies of the concussion and brain damage suffered by artillery men. The US Marines did one major study. TMIs, concussion, PSTD, all caused by the blast waves behind the guns.

Posted by: Fred Flinstone | May 6 2022 9:17 utc | 254

#—Well that is a very misleading RT article, it specifically states in the text that the “apology” did not appear in the readout of the conversation. So. did RT just make it up?
Posted by: K | May 6 2022 3:50 utc | 195
Headline in Jerusalem Post Putin apologizes to Bennett for Lavrov’s Hitler comments

Posted by: Anne B | May 6 2022 9:24 utc | 255

Is it not time to prosecute Boris Johnson for war crimes.
Posted by: Ike | May 6 2022 7:17 utc | 226
Boris Johnson got away with MUCH worse, the scandal of merry drinking parties in his office+home at Downing Street, after a lot of brouhaha in Parliament and press, there was an investigation that, unsurprisingly, produced a whitewash. Mind you, some details of the scandal were gruesome, one party took place when the Queen was in mourning.
Comparative (to the British, the only ones who count in a democracy) trifles like war crimes, or monumental screwups with economy, pandemic etc. can hardly prevent Johnson to finish his term in office with aplomb.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 6 2022 9:26 utc | 256

Piotr Berman | May 6 2022 9:26 utc | 256
Goering had his finger on the human pulse. Very simplistic. Very accurate.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2022 9:36 utc | 257

@waynorinorway | May 6 2022 8:45 utc | 248
Thanks for that comment. To clarify, if at all I blamed McD not Norway. Maybe even they are innocent in this case (not for bad food 🙂 ).

Posted by: aquadraht | May 6 2022 9:41 utc | 258

We have seen this before. In the 80s, the United States put trade sanctions on Iran and provided Saddam Hussein’s Iraq with arms, intelligence, and satellite pictures so Iraq could fight Iran, its neighbour.
Today, the United States puts trade sanctions on Russia and provides Zelensky’s Ukraine with arms, intelligence, and satellite pictures so Ucraine can fight Russia, its neighbour.
It ended badly for Iraq and for Saddam Hussein; it will end badly for Ukraine and Zelensky.

Posted by: Passerby | May 6 2022 9:57 utc | 259

It seems to me that these are deliberate provocations designed to precipitate an over the top Russian reaction …
Posted by: Cyberhorse | May 6 2022 8:12 utc | 241

Yes, absolutely, tying to get a rise out of RF suggests someone or some faction is running scared. Could be Azovstal derangement syndrome, could be impending Ukie army collapse, could be both, or more. In any case, it seems like someone’s squirming.
The impact of less censorship on twitter and Musk’s own financial motives is interesting. Any glitches in the BidenMatrix could bring whole concussed, grifter edifice down.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2022 10:07 utc | 260

waynorinorway | May 6 2022 8:45 utc | 248
This international bar b has set up really is something else. Best regards to you and fellow Norwegians that comment here. ( take it by your username you are Norwegian)

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2022 10:09 utc | 261

Posted by: karlof1 | May 6 2022 0:05 utc | 143
“…The Outlaw US Empire’s Unipolar world’s been declared dead by Putin. Neoliberal Europe has declared itself insane and unwilling to put their citizenry’s interests ahead of all else, just as the Empire, UK, Australia, Canada, and Japan have. I excluded New Zealand as it seems to have a different posture…”
You have probably excluded New Zealand because NZ did not join the USUKA military alliance. No doubt NZ was invited. I have no doubt the Klaus Schwab schooled NZ prime minister would have willingly agreed except for one factor,  nuclear powered and nuclear armed warship visits. 
There are some historical and contemporary reasons for this. Nuclear ships are viewed with revulsion by most NZ voters and overturning the ban could easily lead to the ousting of whichever party was responsible. The USN refuses to confirm or deny which ships are nuclear armed. 
NZ has sent 50 army specialists and a transport plane to ‘help’ NATO. Radio New Zealand probably has the most crude and unbelievable bellicose propaganda coverage of the SMO of all the  US/NATO aligned vassalls.  I am reliably informed that whatever party is elected the country is always governed by Scottish Presbeterians who don’t like spending money and it shows. Thousands of Kiwis leave to make some money in Australia.
 Meanwhile, Australia has forgotten its own history. In WW1 the Australian Army was effectively commanded by British generals and carved up piecemeal at their convenience.
By WW2 the Army insisted on “The Charter of the AIF” which  had an Australian command reporting to Australia and prohibited detaching the parts for employment elsewhere.NZ did not have this and paid the price. Look at the slaughter at Monte Casino.
The AIF Charter is forgotten now in an attempt to appease contemporary Washington war planners. Watch out Australia. Of course the ineffective opposition and corporate media are too frightened to raise the subject.

Posted by: Paul | May 6 2022 10:11 utc | 262

Not sure if this scenario makes sense:
The dollar is losing value, so China see their US-treasures going down the drain. What if they use them to buy out the debts of, say, some African states at World Bank and IMF? The cotton will be worthless, but they snatch influence from the US. Or South America, to secure Lithium supply.

Posted by: TomD | May 6 2022 10:13 utc | 263

10. Therefore, the Russian invasion of Ukraine was a mistake – unless there is a catastrophic collapse of Atlantic economic activity as a result of another financial collapse (which is overdue). This is a possibility, but the question is whether Russia could hold out until then. Another problem is that a Western financial collapse could be resolved by the West starting a war with Russia
Posted by: MFB | May 6 2022 7:15 utc | 225
Last, but not least!
When an economic downturn is “catastrophic”? When cadavers pile on streets, and the still living folks are too emaciated to take care of them? I hope that the “pain threshold” is much easier to cross, and rebellions of hungry sheep can flare up in the nooks of the Empire. Prime example is Hungary under Orban. Orban is deemed undemocratic i.e. he seems to do what majority of Hungarians want, but he subverted independent judiciary, press etc., like they try in Poland as well (the chaps there are more brazen, but somewhat inept). Consequently, Hungary and Poland can be stripped of important EU subsidies that may decrease government popularity and eventually, this Summer in Hungary, lead to its replacement.
However, if Orban can make a credible case that sticking to contracts with Russia on oil, gas and nuclear power stations brings more than EU subsidies, this whole pro-democratic effort will be nixed. Remember, in Hungary Orban cannot be muzzled. And the “rot” seems to be spreading to the other parts of a former Hungarian Kingdom, Slovakia and Croatia.
Another spot where sheep are loosing their docility is France. I read that European Commission delayed putting embargo on Russian oil on the agenda to come after French presidential elections. Macron duly won, but parliamentary elections will be in Summer, like in Hungary. The French are not THAT sheepish, but anti-system forces are split into two camps that detest each other, so the system forces reorganized as a “center” led by Macron, a fresh and youthful face. But with decreasing in the living standards, jobs etc. will continue, both “left” and “right” can be boosted. The left offers quite unrealistic program, but how “realistic” is the center? Somewhat symmetric issues at the right side. In two round French system the center can overwhelmingly dominate by getting to the second round, and now the center does not need to decline a lot to loose most of the seats. The opinion swing needed to push the center to minority is not big.
And on the other end of Eurasia, Japan announced that they cannot afford the economic cost of sanctioning energy industries of Russia, they will keep importing and keep their investments in those industries. This is pretty crucial, because foreign partners were admitted to give more smooth access to cutting edge technologies. Mind you, oil and gas are mature industries and the cutting edge is not necessary, but it helps. One thing is that Japan feels vulnerable on energy, and is across a narrowish strait from large Russian gas/oil fields of Sakhalin. If they do not buy into it, all that stuff will go to China, with no loss to Russia. Again, the “rot” can spread to South Korea, not because of solidarity but on the principle that South Korea cannot be worse than Japan.
In short, there is a potential for the Empire to fray quite a bit with a relatively mild economic downturn.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 6 2022 10:14 utc | 264

This international bar b has set up really is something else. Best regards to you and fellow Norwegians that comment here.
( take it by your username you are Norwegian)
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2022 10:09 utc | 261
Yeah Peter, the bar is special. Thanks again to b!
Yes, I’m Norwegian but there’s more.
Thanks for the kind wishes. And yeah, I think I’m in good company here with fellow norskie commenters.
But also I think you are in good company too with all the OZ and NZ blokes helping us keep ‘middle earth’
on the straight and narrow. Tough job, but a labor of love – and justice – I think. G’day mate.

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 6 2022 10:31 utc | 265

Light but still worth reading (from Italian):
Russia-Ukraine war, attacks and sabotage on the Russian front. “That’s why they focus on Belgorod. But resistance can spread ”
In recent weeks, raids, fires and sabotages have multiplied in the region 40 km from the border beyond the Russian lines. Expert David Rossi explains why they focus in that region, with what objectives and results. The role of intelligence and collaborators opposed to the invasion

https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2022/05/06/guerra-russia-ucraina-attacchi-e-sabotaggi-sul-fronte-russo-ecco-perche-si-concentrano-su-belgorod-ma-la-resistenza-puo-dilagare/6581642/
Sabotage in Belarus (funded by US, launched from Poland, OSS reboot). Sabotage in Russia, similar story?
Drive across Russia with a mini bomb-drone hidden in the car, leave it a few miles from the target, drive away, at midnight it turns on, flies into a factory and explodes. Drone & explosives, $100…$200.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2022 10:45 utc | 266

@waynorinorway | May 6 2022 8:45 utc | 248

Bandera is the Spanish word for flag, so it could properly be labeled Banner Burger.

So it is kind of a flagship burger for McDonalds then, it is still on the menu:
https://www.mcdonalds.com/no/nb-no/meny/hamburgere.html
If you select it you get a 404 response now, I guess that is a reference to Ukraine 🙂
Screenshot
https://postimg.cc/jLXX5Y5m
404 screenshot
https://postimg.cc/DS0M3wgB

Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2022 10:48 utc | 267

All,
Speaking of McDonald’s, whenever anyone patronizes Oceania goods, the economic profits obviously filter over to Oceania interests. I hope everyone here already avoids doing that.
Every time you go to make a purchase, think about where else you might it.
Boycott Oceania.

Posted by: BDS Oceania! | May 6 2022 10:49 utc | 268

Fighting the Russians and not expecting devastating artillery fire seems somewhat counter-intuitive. The Battle for Berlin saw Zhukhov deploying 40,000 artillery pieces and Berlin looked the worse for wear thereafter.
Zelensky is simply relaying orders from GroFaz Biden to the “encircled 6th Army” and telling them that no Field-Marshall has ever surrendered so don’t be the first. I am sure if NATO could get airdrops organised it would be condoms all round.
How anyone survives TOS-1 and the pace of Russian artillery fire I do not know. I doubt there is a NATO army that could withstand it. I am sure Poland and Romania are ready to throw their manpower into the meat-grinder and have their own version of Verdun where the Ossuary is quite a sight. I recommend Zelensky commission one.
As for those 600,000 Ukrainians in Germany 80% of whom are said to be women, best to work out how long it takes to have MIAs declared legally dead and move on. I doubt they will be returning when they are getting Hartz IV in Germany and free medical care and education in Ukrainian. Germany cannot do enough for them now Syrians and Afghans are out of fashion and distinctly second-best in the refugee stakes.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 6 2022 11:17 utc | 269

Interesting implication “NATO readying for war on its eastern front, without US troops” (voltaire/net)
If, it may be speculated, bigbig us plan was a FF “nuke/chem” “attack by RF” it might well be preferred to avoid killing its own soldiers.
Whatever it means, it seems significant.

Posted by: Walter | May 6 2022 11:29 utc | 270

Dear Stonebird,
Putin is said to have apologised for Lavrov’s remarks to Bennett. (Haaretz) Why? What did he get in return? As an “apology” is used as submission by Israel.
****

Lavrov did not err in his statement of fact – he made it clear Jews were fighting with Azov and a Jew financed Azov as his private army to eradicate rivals – and that Jew holds an Israeli passport, and that Israel manufactures small arms in Ukraine.
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/rights-groups-demand-israel-stop-arming-neo-nazis-in-the-ukraine-1.6248727
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/ukraine-conflict/1646038701-rockets-made-in-german-israeli-factory-being-sent-to-ukraine
Putin simply put in a call to Bennet to calm things down and stick to the agenda. Bennet needed “an apology” to keep his alternate PM Lapid quiet and focus on what Gantz needs.
There was no “apology” – there was a situation of “strategic ambiguity” for Israel to ponder and since Putin runs the situation through a STAVKA – Israel needs to ponder just whose influence is holding sway and has Lavrov pitched in with Shoigu or can Putin still tilt in a constructive way ?
In short – Putin is nearing the end of his career. His successor is ready and not as accommodating to The West. Putin was First Directorate KGB – that is the one permitted to read Western periodicals such as “The Economist” and he was based in GDR – though contrary to US views – MfS ran its own country and resented KGB which it suspected of being ready to trade GDR to BRD. (Bridge of Spies is the first movie OI recall to highlight KGB tensions with MfS)
The West had a window to build relations with West – it became increasingly dirty with Western mud – it may now be finally sealed up for another 60 years – the outcome of WW2 is being replayed and this time US and UK have allied with Berlin to attack Russia.
I do wonder why the papers regarding Rudolf Hess flight to Scotland 10 May 1941 are still regarded as Top Secret until 2041 – it is not as if it related to a Pfizer vaccine !

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 6 2022 11:32 utc | 271

Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2022 10:48 utc | 267
“…it is still on the menu”
Yeah what the hell? I went to the same link you gave at your #234 and this is the reply to the complaint of Apr. 28:

We understand that the product name today can also carry with it other associations, and we respect that and take it
seriously. Therefore we have decided to change the product name-a change we implement immediately.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.
Med vennlig hilsen / Best regards
Mahem/Kundekonsulent (customer service)
Food Folk Norge AS

Liars. What pablum.
Just one more reason to never go to McDs ever, for a Nazi burger or no milk milkshakes or anything else.
There is a Bandera, Tx though, but still no reason to not
change the name here in Norway to something like Texas Mac.

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 6 2022 12:02 utc | 272

ex-Canadian Forces sniper who volunteered for Ukraine returns after horror of seeing two colleagues die in front of him.
https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/2022-05-06/retour-du-tireur-d-elite-wali/la-guerre-c-est-une-deception-terrible.php
in French
I hate these kind of people. Killing others is just a game for them.

Posted by: Manage without me | May 6 2022 12:11 utc | 273

Why would an inverterate enthnic ukrainian of kiev-rus-ish persuasian cling to a spanish surname?
You all are a clever bunch. Help me write this joke.

Posted by: sln2002 | May 6 2022 12:11 utc | 274

BONUS points if you can work the Hapsburg dynasty into the gag.

Posted by: sln2002 | May 6 2022 12:13 utc | 275

4) Come Phase 3 [or 4 or 5 or substitute digit according to taste] – forcing NATO back to 1997 boundaries – the current pulverising of NATO reserve stocks will come in very handy, and serve to Russia’s immense advantage.
Posted by: BM
Well, there we have it.
The Western leadership is too stupid and vain to see that Russian regime change via Ukraine is an utter policy failure. Of course, they will never give up the con and will double down.
When one looks at a map, Eastern Ukraine with its liberated red area of majority Russian speaking takes on the aspect of a gaping maw. The Russian multi level active defense; long range strike missiles, air superiority, air defense, and long range artillery is an impervious killing machine. At the point of contact are the armoured forces and attack helicopters, more than equal to any UAF counterattacks. One could not have scripted a better scenario at this point of the operation from the Russian perspective.
Of course, few in the West under the control of the MSM have a glimmer of this reality. But there are those in power who question the narrative. When watching the CBS Sunday Morning interview of Senator Menendez, son of Cuban immigrants, one could see a sense of foreboding disaster.
The Fall of Ukraine will be for the Deep State’s “Empire of Lies” a Black Swan event that will reverberate much like the “Fall of Singapore” did for the British Empire.

Posted by: Oswald | May 6 2022 12:28 utc | 276

Haven’t read through everything today, so don’t know if this has been posted. From George Eliason’s Substack…
Was January 6th violence a Ukrainian Military Special Operation to destroy Donald Trump?
https://georgeeliason.substack.com/p/was-january-6th-violence-a-ukrainian

That question by itself is a mouthful considering the political climate in 2022. Given the secretive nature of a “military spec op” and the degree of difficulty investigating the kind of action where all traces need to point away from the actors, I need to disclose how I got to the place where this question became the only obvious one I can ask.
The following will show circumstantially and logically why this wrinkle in the J6 investigation deserves qualified eyes on it to further and finish or put it to bed once and for all.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 6 2022 12:33 utc | 277

China and Russia for their own survival decided to take on SATAN as between them they could defeat it. Individually however they may not survive.
Russia’s part in this was to fight back against NATO in Ukraine and hold the line in Europe whereas China’s role was to disrupt the Wests economies by its supply chain slowdowns. China has achieved this by locking down a few of its major cities using Covid as an excuse e.g. Beijing had just 50 cases yesterday.
The economies of the West are in serious trouble as of today with Russia ans China both being prepared to ride out what is coming.
well

Posted by: Pedro | May 6 2022 12:50 utc | 278

Posted by: MFB | May 6 2022 7:15 utc | 225
The only thing that makes sense in your analysis is number 10, except that financial collapse will happen with staggering speed. House of cards will just cave in.

Posted by: Milos | May 6 2022 13:11 utc | 279

Paul Greenwood | May 6 2022 11:32 utc | 271
It is clear that there are two “camps” in the Russian STAVKA. If the peaceful one doesn’t succeed then the Shoigu faction will. This is different from finding a successor to Putin. His personal ability to see, plan and then act accordingly is unmatched. No one person stands out. However, Putin has actually thought about that, and has tried to change the Political scene in Russia to accommodate different levels of competence and opinion. It remains to be seen if those changes will be enough, or if they have been curtailed by the war. (For the US/NATO they will see a one-off Dictator as the solution giving them the most leverage.)
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Bennett obviously needs to have some sort of majority to keep his position. It has also been obvious that with the build-up of tensions re; Temple Mount, IDF raids on Palestinians etc. that any “stability” might only be temporary. (Even Iran is more belligerent than before).
Calm before the storm.? Even more so as the Orthodox will make things impossible for people that are less religiously motivated over the long term. Even the Orthodox birth-rate is against the secular! The settlers also have to be “pacified” as many have Russian “recollections”.
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Israeli arms? Never let someone elses’ crisis go to waste.
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Re. The JFK. I remember that many (most) of the witnesses that might have spread “disinformation” about the pre-organised conclusions, ended up dead. Including one who was “killed by an unknown judo expert”. No follow-ups were made, although there were more questions being asked then, than would be allowed now.
Mueller was starting his career as “cover-up” guy at the same period? Something I didn’t pay attention to at the time.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 6 2022 13:16 utc | 280

The Fall of Ukraine will be for the Deep State’s “Empire of Lies” a Black Swan event that will reverberate much like the “Fall of Singapore” did for the British Empire.
Posted by: Oswald | May 6 2022 12:28 utc | 276
Well, I was thinking Bay of Pigs or the like, with similar political fallout, but we will have to wait to see. It’s going to be very public this time. This is what comes of always doubling down, as any experienced gambler knows.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 6 2022 13:33 utc | 281

After WW2, German society saw the end of the war as a defeat. This only changed with the 68er generation and onwards. Then the end of WW2 was seen as liberation. This was taught at school. I myself was brought up with that line of thinking. Current Germany is back to seeing the end of WW2 as a defeat, Berlin is prohibiting any symbols and flags on May 9th that can be seen as USSR vitory over Nazi Germany
https://twitter.com/GKossonossow/status/1522554488271351808?cxt=HHwWgMC5ibDPmaEqAAAA
Maybe Germany should have been partitioned at the end of WW2 into smaller states, because a united Germany can always pose a threat to other states. And we are now on the way back to this mindset. Austria, Switzerland, Luxemburg, all are German speaking and are well off not being able to threaten anybody around them. There is nothing wrong with being a small country.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | May 6 2022 13:35 utc | 282

“cover-up” guy at the same period
Posted by: Stonebird | May 6 2022 13:16 utc | 280
My understanding is so did Ellsberg, ironically.

Posted by: sln | May 6 2022 13:37 utc | 283

Mueller was starting his career as “cover-up” guy at the same period? Something I didn’t pay attention to at the time.
Posted by: Stonebird | May 6 2022 13:16 utc | 280
Most of the political cretins who have been sabotaging this country for the last 40 years came out of the 60s, and they weren’t a bunch of hippies.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 6 2022 13:37 utc | 284

US Markets about to have a crash day. The Fourth Turning is upon us!

Posted by: Rhinecto | May 6 2022 13:49 utc | 285

The Putin apology is typical diplomacy. I have no doubt that Bennet apologised to Putin too. Diplomats spend half their time apologising to each other, mostly for non-existent reasons.
Bennet:” I was very saddened to hear your colleague Lavrov’s remarks about Hitler’s Jewish ancestry..”
Putin: “I’m sure that he meant no offence to you. The facts in this case are fairly well known but hardly important. The crucial point that he made is that many Jews seem to be supporting this openly Nazi movement in Ukraine. We are all concerned that your government does not follow the US lead and rebuild Nazism in Europe….”
Why RT treated the story the way it did is unclear. Maybe Karlofi is right. It is hard for us in the West to understand that, in some countries, the media is not just an echo chamber for the government.
Waldorf @229
You are right about Ukrainians in Canada. I remember meeting some old Ukrainian farmers in Ontario, back in the 70s, who were very left wing. They were supporting-from the left- the Waffle group. There was a magazine, at the time, called Northern Neighbour which promoted Canadian-Soviet relations and Peace. And then there are the Mennonites, almost all of whom migrated from Ukraine where the Tsar promised them no conscription.

Posted by: bevin | May 6 2022 13:50 utc | 286

I am still shocked that Berlin is prohibiting the display of USSR flags and USSR marching music on May 9th on the grounds of the Russian-Ukrainian war. It seems like some ppl within Berlin’s security establishment, police and local govt, are absuing this war to push through their own views on German history. These ppl must be fought against and defeated by German society at large. Never ever should the German state denigrate the vitory of the USSR oover Nazi Germany.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | May 6 2022 13:53 utc | 287

@Arne Hartmann, @282
yes, Germany should have been partitioned. It’s not like they all speak the same language, after all.

Posted by: Manage without me | May 6 2022 13:59 utc | 288

Arne Hartmann @282
After a country is “liberated”, wouldn’t you expect it to be at least as, if not more souvereign than it was before?

Posted by: aquileia | May 6 2022 13:59 utc | 289

…If, it may be speculated, bigbig us plan was a FF “nuke/chem” “attack by RF” it might well be preferred to avoid killing its own soldiers.
Whatever it means, it seems significant.
Posted by: Walter | May 6 2022 11:29 utc | 270

Someone noted a bit ago (sorry, I don’t remember who) that there had been some very odd noises from both sides about the threat of tactical nuclear weapons: RF state of nuclear preparedness early in SMO was configured to respond to enemy use of tactical nukes, west putting out quite a bit of “Putin might use small nukes in Ukraine” craziness (granted, the “west” are raving assclowns)
They also suggested that Azovstal might be an ideal place to stash a small, illegal nuke, for a Ukie FF-Putin-did-it.
Personally, I think the Ukie establishment and their NAZO handlers are as crazy as shithole rats, actual no-fooling snuff fiends, so I have no problem with the idea in principle.
Either way, there appears to be real AxisOfBiden fear about what’s in Azovstal, they did not expect RF to drop a strongbox over them, they obviously had zero contingency plan for it.
I wouldn’t rule out an insane NATO+ attempt to rescue or obliterate whoever/whatever is down there.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 6 2022 14:00 utc | 290

Guys, I read too often about zionists and “Kazaria” in your comments. Can’t you just stop thinking in one dimension? Can you just understand how complex the world is?
Kazaria has been a short lived kingdom maaany centuries ago. Zionists do not rule the world in any way. Energy and raw materials do…

Posted by: kriss34 | May 6 2022 14:03 utc | 291

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | May 6 2022 13:53 utc | 287
Dear Arne,
the past is always a matter of investigation or doubt. History is never a “closed case” The military victory of the USSR over Germany is not an object of worship. It is a fact of universal history such as the Crusades, Islam or the conquest of America.

Posted by: Roberto | May 6 2022 14:03 utc | 292

I do think that the US fighting wars to the detriment of people everywhere except in the US itself is so deeply immoral and cowardly that quite frankly it would be deserved if the next war was fought in the US itself. It seems the only way to teach the US citizens about the cost of war.
Posted by: Norwegian | May 6 2022 5:30 utc | 216
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Without the rest of the world to exploit the Golden Billion—pretty much exactly mapping onto the world’s imperial/colonial powers and their settler-state offshoots—will have to face capitalism’s contradictions within their own borders, rather than exporting those contradictions to the neocolonized world. I don’t wish suffering for any country but there’s a whole lot of socioeconomic contraction and dislocation coming down the pike at us. Whatever worries many of us now have about the Ukraine conflict going nuclear may carry over into worries that some desperate faction in a US Civil War 2.0 might go nuclear *domestically*.
(I believe this is why US’s nuclear forces are in the middle of nowhere—to keep them far away from the urban working class. If the billionaires weren’t so afraid of us they’d put the silos right in cities to use all of us as human shields for their nukes.)
I’ve read works of fiction that take place during or after such a civil war, lasting decades—kind of our own self-inflicted “warlord period”. If so we may need to boot up for our own Long March, both to save ourselves and to rejoin humanity.

Posted by: Vintage Red | May 6 2022 14:08 utc | 293

I have to add to the revelation that psychopaths control the levers of power in ‘the West’ (i.e., the Talmud/Frankist teaching that the ‘goyim’ are ‘subhumans’ and destined to serve the ‘Jews’, is pretty much a definition of sociopathy, imo), a Christian response. To love and forgive your neighbor is not allowing them to subvert and damage your culture; ‘be as innocent as doves and cunning as serpents”. As the Catholic Church put it in the 1800s – ‘Sicut judaeis non etc’ = the Jew should not be harmed, but never allowed to subvert Christian culture.

Posted by: Nancy | May 6 2022 14:11 utc | 294

Posted by: Manage without me | May 6 2022 13:59 utc | 288
My homecity in Lower Saxony used to be independent for centuries within the framework of the Holy Roman Empire, up until Napoleon abolished the Holy Roman Empire in 1803, so called Reichsdeputationshauptschluss, and created new states on its territory. German identity is local, has always been that way, and is heavily influenced by local customs and dialects.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | May 6 2022 14:16 utc | 295

John Helmer reports on an attempt by the UN to smuggle the NATO/Azov forces out of Mariupol.
DID UN SECRETARY-GENERAL GUTERRES COMMIT A WAR CRIME AT AZOVSTAL?
“..Russians sources believe that, despite the explicit warnings Guterres received from Putin and Lavrov in Moscow the week before, the Secretary-General authorized the plan to assist in a break-out by the combatants using the civilian evacuees as their shield.”
http://johnhelmer.net/

Posted by: bevin | May 6 2022 14:19 utc | 296

@Arne,
my father was made an officer in the German Army during WW2 based mostly on the fact that he spoke Hochdeutsch so could be understood by everyone.

Posted by: Manage without me | May 6 2022 14:24 utc | 297

History is never a “closed case” The military victory of the USSR over Germany is not an object of worship.
Posted by: Roberto | May 6 2022 14:03 utc | 292
As late capitalism implodes, it’s not so much history as empathy which closes, most emphatically. The old lessons about “You’ve got to be carefully taught” are forgotten, in favor of careful instruction in hatefulness — always a better fit for a nation (such as USA) planted in the warm mulch of indigenous genocide and chattel slavery.
The West has always felt and demonstrated pathological discomfort acknowledging those points in history where Russia gets credit for anything. The word “worship” in your post drew my attention, because the feeling of Russians about their personal, family struggles against the Nazis is beyond incomprehensible to fat, oblivious westerners. Don’t even try. What deserves worship is human solidarity against satanic persistence. The struggle itself is worship, don’t ever forget it.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 6 2022 14:24 utc | 298

@Bevin
that link should be .org not .net

Posted by: Manage without me | May 6 2022 14:26 utc | 299

#273. I highly recommend the LaPresse article. It is easy to translate. The story of disarray and disfunction on the Ukraine/nato side is just what this blog has been revealing. A side where assets fight amongst themselves, do not make it to the front and ultimately are useless against the RF war system. Just people led to slaughter by propaganda and coercion. It gives away just how effective the west proxy warriors are and how truly depraved our leaders for driving this carnage.

Posted by: up and to the left | May 6 2022 14:32 utc | 300