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May 5, 2022
Ukraine’s Forces Are Told To Hold The Line Where Russian Artillery Is Pulverizing Them

The Russian military forces are grinding down Ukrainian ground forces by extensive use of heavy artillery. The Ukrainian artillery has been destroyed or lacks ammunition.The Ukrainian forces have orders to stay in their position and to hold the line. That only makes sure that Russian artillery strikes will destroy them.

The order was given because the ‘west’ has pushed the Ukrainian president to not make peace with Russia. The consequence will be the assured destruction of the Ukrainian military.


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There are claims that the Russian progress in Ukraine has been slow or has even come to a halt:

The United States assessed last week that Russian troops were making “slow and uneven” progress in the Donbas, often of no more than “several kilometers … on any given day, just because they don’t want to run out too far ahead of their logistics and sustainment lines,” one senior U.S. official told journalists.

But in its daily reports, the Institute for the Study of War noted that Russian forces made no confirmed ground attacks on Monday or Tuesday. It said a Ukrainian artillery strike April 30 on a Russian command headquarters near Izium has slowed the Russian push, and noted that, farther north, a Ukrainian counterattack Monday pushed Russian forces back 25 miles east of Kharkiv.

Those claims do not hold up to reality. As Clausewitz wrote about the Schwerpunkt in ‘On War’:

[N]o matter what the central feature of the enemy’s power may be—the point on which your efforts must converge—the defeat and destruction of his fighting force remains the best way to begin, and in every case will be a very significant feature of the campaign.

Basing our comments on general experience, the acts we consider most important for the defeat of the enemy are the following:

  1. Destruction of his army, if it is at all significant.
  2. Seizure of his capital if it is not only the center of administration but also that of social, professional, and political activity.
  3. Delivery of an effective blow against his principal ally if that ally is more powerful than he.

Accordingly the Russian military is tasked with demilitarizing the Ukraine, Clausewitz’ task one, and that is what it is doing.

Russia is using the best available means to destroy the Ukrainian military. On the ground that means ruthless systematic mass use of artillery.

Reports about the high morale of the Ukrainian soldiers who halt Russian advances are copium when compared with the reality of the battlefield.

From the preface of the book King of Battle: Artillery in World War I (also here):

Artillery dominated the battlefields of World War I. That was seen in various ways, from wounding patterns and doctors’ clinical data, to memoirs, diaries, and letters, through to changed military doctrine after the war. No nation that had experienced significant ground combat would blithely assume morale could replace firepower. Artillery even holds the dubious distinction of causing a new diagnosis, shellshock.

Morale can not replace firepower. Morale gets destroyed when soldiers come under concentrated artillery fire. Russia has plenty of the later.

As I wrote a week ago after reading the Russian military report for that day:

The nearly 1,000 artillery missions in the last 24 hours and on the days before speak of intense preparations for upcoming attacks by Russian mechanized forces. Over all artillery will do the most damage to the Ukrainian troops. In World War II and other modern mechanized wars some 65% of all casualties were caused by artillery strikes. The recent rate on the Ukrainian side will likely be higher.

There were at that time few reports about the artillery situation at the frontline. I have now found three which have since come out. They convey what the power of artillery does to an army and confirm my previous take.

First a Politico piece that was published on the same day I wrote the above and was added to its update. The starkest quotes:

“The situation is very bad, [Russian forces] are using scorched- earth tactics,” the 31-year-old married father of two said via text. “They simply destroy everything with artillery, shelling day and night,” [First Lt. Ivan Skuratovsky] said via text.

The day before, he told POLITICO his soldiers were being bombarded with Russian howitzers, mortars and multiple-launch rocket systems “at the same time.” Just hours earlier, he said, they had been attacked by two Su-25 warplanes, “and our day became hell.”

From an AFP piece, published on April 30, we have this:

Russian troops in Ukraine’s eastern Donbas region have shifted from a steamroller strategy to one of relentlessly chipping away at their opponents in the hope of grinding them down.

Ukraine’s army has little option but to try to stall their larger and better-equipped enemy in the sprawling plains of Donbas, where artillery is king.

Pessimism about the chances of pushing back the Russians appears to be spreading.

Although they are holding their ground on the battlefield, many of Ukraine’s infantry soldiers admit to feeling overwhelmed.

“Viking”, a 27-year-old staff sergeant who fought in Kreminna said his comrades are exhausted and waiting for the order to pull back.

“If it was a war between infantry forces, we would have a chance. But in this area, it’s first and foremost an artillery war and we don’t have enough artillery,” he says.

“For every 300 shells they fire, we fire three.”

And from yesterday’s Christian Science Monitor this:

The Ukrainian artillery team was moving into position in the northern Donbas region, along the front line near Izium. The soldiers did not even have time to orient their guns before they were found by a Russian drone.

The first Russian 152 mm shells – fired by howitzers more than 10 miles away – landed near the Ukrainian guns. As the artillery team ran for safety, its vehicle was hit and set on fire.

The driver, badly wounded, veered straight into bushes as shells rained down. The survivors escaped on foot, across open fields.

Roman, a young artilleryman with a short patchy beard, recalled the events from a darkened military hospital room in Kramatorsk, his eyes glazed and an intravenous drip in his left arm, as he recovered from blast concussion. He gave only his first name, in keeping with Ukrainian military rules for wounded soldiers.

The biggest surprise for him? “That I am still alive here, after that shelling,” he says listlessly, closing his eyes and lying back on his bed.

Russia has escalated its shelling in an apparent bid to advance on the eastern region both from the Izium axis in the north and up from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia in the south. The pincers movement seeks to cut off some of Ukraine’s most battle-hardened forces ..

In Roman’s unit the driver is dead, the commander is in intensive care, another artilleryman has shrapnel wounds, and the rest are concussed, like Roman.

“Their artillery never, never stops,” says the deputy commander of Ukraine’s Donbas Battalion, a major who only gave the nickname Kot (Cat). He spoke in Sloviansk with a balaclava covering his face, as an air raid siren wailed across the city.

“They are changing their strategy, but it is still what we would expect from Russia,” says Major Kot. There are no more long, vulnerable columns: “They are sending recon units, then shell with artillery, and then send tanks,” he says. “If those tanks are destroyed, they send more tanks.”

“We really have a lack of heavy artillery,” says Ukrainian Sgt. Viktor Davydov, still wired and speaking quickly of Ukraine’s needs, after returning to the town of Druzhkivka from the front, where he says Russian artillery strikes continue “24/7.”

“When Russia sends incoming 200 shells, we send back 10 shells,” says Sergeant Davydov, who wears sunglasses, a pistol on his thigh, and a skull shoulder patch in the blue and yellow colors of the Ukrainian flag.

His job is to take freshly mobilized men to the front “to show them not to be afraid,” and to teach them “how to dig in and make very effective defensive positions” to compensate for the firepower imbalance with Russia.

“I tell them that all they have to do is hold our line, and not retreat,” says Sergeant Davydov. The cost can be high. The sergeant recalls 10 recruits in late April being sent to him one night at 11 p.m. By 6 a.m. two were dead and three wounded by Russian artillery.

The Ukrainian parliament recently change the law so that the Ukrainian territorial defense forces, comparable to the German Volkssturm, can now be used throughout the country. The locals in west Ukraine who volunteered for these units hoping to avoid being drafted into the army will now be send to the Donbas frontline where Russian artillery will eat them up.

The U.S. has send about 100 howitzer to Ukraine and a similar number of various artillery pieces will come from other NATO countries. There are several problems with these.

The first issue is training. Howitzer can not be used by newbies. How many Ukrainians with artillery experience are still alive?

Delivered to the west-Ukrainian border the guns will need to be transported 1,000 kilometer (600 miles) to the east. Their heavy ammunition, and artillery needs a lot, will have to come the same way.


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Russia has now destroyed a total of 16 electric substations along the railway lines. Yesterday Russia damaged a major railway bridge over the Dnieper. Another railway bridge on the line from Romania to Odessa was completely destroyed.

The Ukraine can therefore only use its few diesel locomotives to transport the guns and ammunition. Whatever will come through to the eastern front will be too little too late.

For some time Russia had made it a priority to destroy Ukrainian artillery. Yesterday’s evening briefing by the Russian Defense Ministry noted:

High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces during the day destroyed: 4 artillery batteries at firing positions, 3 ammunition depots near Mirnaya Dolina, Bakhmutskaya and Tashkovka, 20 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, and 1 US-made counter-battery radar station near Popasnaya.

Missile troops and artillery have hit 1 Ukrainian battery of BM-21 Grad multiple rocket launchers at firing positions, as well as 83 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration.

A battery is a company sized (~100 men) artillery unit with usually 6 guns. The battery is used as a firing unit which means that all its guns fire at the same time and onto the same target.

Today’s morning briefing claimed more Ukrainian artillery losses:

Missile troops have hit 2 AFU command posts, 1 artillery battery at a firing position, as well as 2 launchers and 1 transport and loading vehicle of Tochka-U tactical missile system during the night.

Artillery units have hit 32 command posts, 5 ammunition depots, 403 strongholds, areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, and 51 Ukrainian artillery positions.

Those are six Ukrainian batteries, each most likely with 6 guns or multiple rocket launchers, destroyed in just 24 hours. Those U.S. guns that reach the frontline will have a similar fate.

In total the Russian military claims to have destroyed “325 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,306 field artillery and mortars” during the war.

A new participant in artillery fights are drones which are used on both sides to direct artillery fire onto enemy positions. The Russian military claims that it took down 20 of the Ukrainian ones during the last 24 hours for a total of 726.

The briefings claim that Russian forces ‘eliminated’ up to 900 ‘nationalists’ over the last 24 hours. That number may be too high but with all the mass use of artillery it is entirely plausible.

Without artillery support in good quantity the Ukrainian military has no chance to hold the line and to stop Russian moves. Any unit which attempts is hold the line will simply be mauled by Russian artillery until it is no longer able to fight. That is happening now. As the Ukrainians have orders not to leave or move their defense lines they either have to give up or die defending them.

By giving ‘hold the line’ orders the Ukrainian leadership is contributing to the Russian demilitarization of the Ukraine.

Why is it doing that? The situation for the Ukraine is hopeless and has been for some time. Why has its President Zelensky not given up? Why does he not agree to Russia’s peace conditions?

We can find the answer in a piece published today in Ukraine’s Pravda (machine translation):

Potential Zelensky-Putin talks paused after Johnson’s arrival – sources

After the arrival of British Prime Minister Boris Johnson in Kyiv, a possible meeting between Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky and Russian President Vladimir Putin has become less likely.

According to UP sources close to Zelensky, British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who appeared in the capital almost without warning, brought two simple messages.

The first is that Putin is a war criminal, he needs to be squeezed, and not negotiated with him.

And secondly, if Ukraine is ready to sign any agreements on guarantees with him, then they are not.

This position of Johnson testified: the collective West, which back in February offered Zelensky to surrender and run away, now felt that Putin was actually not at all as omnipotent as he was imagined, and that right now there was a chance to squeeze him.

Three days after Johnson left for the UK, Putin went public and said talks with Ukraine “have reached an impasse.”

It is the ‘west’ that is preventing Zelensky from suing for peace.

The ‘west’ has fallen for its own propaganda. It believes that the Russian troops near Kiev were defeated by Ukrainian forces. In reality they retreated in good order after the diversion they constituted was no longer needed. The ‘western’ fairytale that they were ‘defeated’ gave hope that Russia could be ‘weakened’, as the U.S. Secretary of State said.

The war will hardly ‘weaken’ Russia. But the war will destroy the Ukrainian military and many, many of its men.

Comments

Shouldn’t Funder-Leader Cabal-Heads Kolomoiskyy and Zelenskyy “Hold the Line” with the Troops?

Posted by: IronForge | May 5 2022 21:00 utc | 101

The west is buying time not because they believe Russia is facing an imminent defeat on the eastern front but because the West/the Ukraine is busily fortifying other areas. Laying traps for Russia once Russia finally does make some major moves. Surely some of the new-to-Ukraine artillery is being sent to Odessa, probably Kiev as well. How feasible is it to be sending in anti-aircraft?
Zelensky had to have been persuaded by Johnson (to not hold talks with Putin) somehow beyond Zelensky’s own personal financial gain.

Posted by: David | May 5 2022 21:02 utc | 102

Chu-Teh #43
“…and most of his starving troops survived as prisoners to return to Germany after the war.”
Actually of the 92,000 German soldiers that surrendered and taken prisoner only 6,000 survived captivity and eventually returned home.
https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/b/Battle_of_Stalingrad.htm

Posted by: Krypton | May 5 2022 21:02 utc | 103

Chu-Teh #43
“…and most of his starving troops survived as prisoners to return to Germany after the war.”
Actually of the 92,000 German soldiers that surrendered and taken prisoner only 6,000 survived captivity and eventually returned home.
https://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~rwest/wikispeedia/wpcd/wp/b/Battle_of_Stalingrad.htm

Posted by: Krypton | May 5 2022 21:02 utc | 104

Even if transformers could be repaired easily and instantly (from what I understand, they can’t), what’s to prevent Russia from destroying railroad tracks, railroad switches, loading and transshipment facilities, road and rail bridges, repair yards, power plants, fuel depots, warehouses, etc.?
What’s to prevent Russia from hunting down and destroying vehicles, starting with roadgoing trucks?
Why on earth didn’t they destroy transport and communications infrastructure a long time ago? And if they really wanted to get nasty, the Russians could target water and sewer utilities.
Even the NYT gets it, in a sort of and grudging way.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/03/world/europe/russia-ukraine-war-nato.html

Posted by: Feral Finster | May 5 2022 21:09 utc | 105

@98 Nancy
Thx Nancy.
It is also imperative that Christians realize that Jews are not our brothers until they come to Christ.
All these zionist fundamentalists infesting our southern and red states need to be ruthlessly purged…and they will be in good time.
I am hoping that the coming hard-right turn in this country will yield the proper mercy to normal God-fearing Jews.
That and it will also emphasize mercy to all the priveleged sub-groups and cultures in this country that have been wooed by globalist peddlers of multiculturalism.
A truth-and-reconciliation movement will need to take hold within American Christianity.
But we should also be ruthless with reasserting our isolationism and preference for our own countryman.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 5 2022 21:11 utc | 106

I consider the following a Howler, “Germany outlines conditions for lifting Russia sanctions: Kiev will ultimately decide if and when the EU embargo against Moscow will be lifted, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said.”
It’s highly likely the future Ukranian government won’t be in Kiev. Further insanity follows:
“In an interview [link at original] with the Hamburg-based liberal weekly Stern, Scholz argued that Russian President Vladimir Putin ‘envisions a peace he would be able to dictate over the heads of the Ukrainians, but he will have to reach an agreement with Ukraine instead.’
“‘We will only be able and willing to withdraw our sanctions in agreement with Ukraine. I don’t think many people in the Kremlin have grasped that yet. This has devastating consequences for Russia,’ Scholz added.”
Scholz is becoming blind from drinking his own Kool-Aid. EU nations are the ones being devastated by the EU’s sanctions regime, that’s why the EU’s been retreating on energy sanctions since the bold announcement to shut them all off.
Please Chancellor Scholz, send all your military equipment to Ukraine so you can become defenseless, and encourage all of NATO to do the same. As for severing connections with Russia, Geoeconomics says Germany and EU will suffer greatly because they are dependent on Russia while Russia’s no longer dependent on the EU/Germany. And the Master you look to as savior is quite incapable of fulfilling that role.
The so-called Dark Ages occurred because Western Europe cut itself off from Eastern Europe and Eurasia, and it sure looks like its mightily trying to duplicate that Era.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 5 2022 21:15 utc | 107

“Russia is winning and the mainstream media will make sure the public never knows this fact.”
What do you think the Supreme Court leak is all about?
Look! A shiny object!!

Posted by: ian | May 5 2022 21:17 utc | 108

Thanks b for a solid report.
Roger #30 Agreed, there comes a tipping point that can result in a rapid transformation of tactics. IMO it won’t be far off.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 5 2022 21:19 utc | 109

Feral Finster @105–
And if they really wanted to get nasty, the Russians could target water and sewer utilities.
Those are War Crimes NATO commits, not Russia. Transport infrastructure’s dual use makes it a legitimate, legal target. Targeting the motive parts instead of all components allows Russia to use those assets once captured. Killing the locomotives, their power sources and bridges are the top three targets.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 5 2022 21:23 utc | 110

Posted by: Norwegian | May 5 2022 18:15 utc | 28
“Biden dropping dead?”
Would anyone notice?

Posted by: Mongo | May 5 2022 21:24 utc | 111

That visit by Boris Johnson to Kiev happened nearly four weeks ago but Ukraine’s Pravda only published the leak about it today (now available in English https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/) – the same day that the British government reported a phone call between Johnson and Zelensky

The leaders discussed developments on the battlefield and the Ukrainian armed forces’ requirements, including the provision of longer-range weaponry to prevent the bombardment of civilians.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-call-with-president-zelenskyy-5-may-2022
Today also happens to be the day of local elections in the UK.
Her Majesty’s Government is not hiding the fact that Zelensky is just its proxy for waging war against Russia – they’re even boasting about it to make BoJo look like he’s in control of the war against Putin, like Churchill against Hitler.

Posted by: Brendan | May 5 2022 21:27 utc | 112

@Norwegian (59) “How about senior US officers turning up in war tribunals in Donbass?”
Had them over to the Taliban.

Posted by: Mongo | May 5 2022 21:32 utc | 113

It seems bizarre to conclude that successfully battle-testing units and new materiel against a stiff opponent would weaken that force. I see as the only outcome that the Russian military will be henceforth composed of troops and airmen with real conventional battle experience; general staff, intelligence and HQ units who have ironed our the glitches in their models; quartermaster corps who now have working handbooks for resupply and reinforcement.
When Russia is done with Ukraine they will be the most formidable military in the world.

Posted by: Patroklos | May 5 2022 21:36 utc | 114

#—The owners of the zionist entity have come to understand that the eastern Mediterranean is no longer workable as a headquarters now that Persia and Lebanon have ultra-sonic missile stockpiles. The globo-homo-zionists will move their villas and high-rise office towers to historic Khazaria, after the natives have been driven out or destroyed. Nuland is the Ben Gurion of new-kzaria. Long live the repulsive queen!
Posted by: Ed | May 5 2022 19:36 utc | 75
It is- after all, their homeland. Google the flag of Kazaria – it got a menorah, on blue and yellow, instead of the fake Star of David, that resembles the Freemasons Seal of Salomon and some claim really is the Star of Remphan.

You have taken up the tabernacle of Molek and the star of your god Rephan, the idols you made to worship. Therefore I will send you into exile’ beyond Babylon.

Acts 7:43

Posted by: Anne B | May 5 2022 21:39 utc | 115

$33b in additional ‘aid’ for the Ukraine who’s total annual budget was just under $30b in 2020 – WTF?! [Foreign aid was clocking around $1.3b/yr before the war] So, while in actuality some of the proposed funding would be for replacing weapons and ammo already ‘donated’ to the war effort, and likely there is a big chunk earmarked for US firms to make more, never the less that is a remarkable number. Sounds like the US has agreed to fund the entire Ukrainian government for the foreseeable… Zelensky must keep acting his part “or else” I am guessing he has been told. Meanwhile Russia continues to absorb Ukrainian territory town by town, eliminating a generation of young and middle-aged men in the process in a country with a low birth rate and declining population. What a f*cked up sh*t show. Yes, the US must REALLY hate Ukrainians…
As for the speed of operations I think in the Lira/Martyanov discussion hosted by Alex for the Duran Martyanov goes on a bit about the concrete and steel Soviet architecture that is being used for defensive positions by UAF and how if they leave it they are unprotected – so absent surrender it just takes time.
An epic, evil modern tragedy.

Posted by: the pessimist | May 5 2022 21:45 utc | 116

#—. Shame that Washington and London never understood the war on the Eastern Front and have forgotten how daft Hitler’s orders were towards the end of WW2.
Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 5 2022 19:48 utc | 81
Do they really care? They are betting on the the traditional battleground – mainland Europe. It’s their economic ineptitude that will doom them.

Posted by: Anne B | May 5 2022 21:45 utc | 117

This war is not being run by the Pentagon, or at least it seems they want no part of it and aren’t being tasked either, except for equipment and backup planning. I see more ex military people on alternative sites, and I believe they reflect the real views of current military staff. Military surely knows it’s a loser, and they don’t want that to stick to them. It’s a DoState/CIA thing, back to 2004 if not 1991. State/CIA have no qualms using Ukrainians to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian, and there’s no such thing as losing as long as you are writing the story from afar.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | May 5 2022 21:45 utc | 118

Posted by: Norwegian | May 5 2022 17:53 utc | 16
The only logic I see is that the US intends to cause a major war in Europe, and profit from it. If so, someone should bring it to their doorstep.
Right on my Viking friend. Let’s come from the land of the ice and snow, from the midnight sun where the hot springs flow…
What did you have in mind?

Posted by: Patroklos | May 5 2022 21:47 utc | 119

And here we have a case of Lies, Truth and Consequences, “US STRATCOM chief issues nuclear warning: Top official tells lawmakers that Washington has a ‘deterrence and assurance gap’ with rivals.”
Well, we’ve known about that gap since 2018–four years ago–which in this instance is both a truth and lie–that it just now surfaced. Here’s another combo where a truth mingles with a BigLie:
“‘The nation and our allies have not faced a crisis like Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in over 30 years,’ Richard said [I’m calling that a truth, although it could be argued otherwise]. ‘President [Vladimir] Putin simultaneously invaded a sovereign nation while using thinly veiled nuclear threats to deter US and NATO intervention.'” [My Emphasis to the 100% BigLie]
There are a few other examples in the article I’ll let barflies discover for themselves. As I commented yesterday citing a White House statement to debunk a WSJ op/ed in the same vein as this testimony, the MIC is clearly pushing very hard to get a lot more money for a military whose readiness is likely now below C-, which was last year’s rating. And of course, this crisis is 100% self-inflicted thanks to Outlaw US Empire policy–but you won’t hear or read any such confession/admission.
The consequences: ““We are facing crisis-deterrence dynamics right now that we have only seen a few times in our nation’s history.” That’s an admission of First Strike vulnerability, which again is a result of Outlaw US Empire policy to tear up the various Arms Treaties and refuse all negotiations. In 2007, Putin said NATO will eventually have to listen to Russia. That time has arrived.
I have a great idea! Why not figure out a way to litter the Donbass battlefield with many millions of $100 bills that will entice the combatants to throw down their weapons and attend to scooping up all that free money! Who will want to fight after that? The Fed’s been doing the same for Wall Street, so it ought to work in Ukraine, yes?

Posted by: karlof1 | May 5 2022 21:47 utc | 120

#— @malenkov, @Aleph_Null |90-93
Maybe also a geographical position? Now you’ve got me curious.

Posted by: Anne B | May 5 2022 21:50 utc | 121

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 5 2022 17:44 utc | 13
Those substations are not easy to repair. The transformers themselves are fairly rare because they have an effective lifespan of forever. Which means (at least in the west) manufacturing new ones isn’t common or high volume. There are also very large barrel breakers on the ground. They’re supposed to stop damage to the transformers.
They’re not helpful against missile strikes. Those are pretty simple but you need a lot of copper (a lot of copper). There’s also all the associated switchgear to operate the substation. All high voltage equipment and like the transformers, there’s little need for regular replacement.
One of these? Probably a couple of days in an emergency to clear and restore. After two you may well find out that the nearest compatible equipment is 400 km away, or that there isn’t one of something. All the old ones are around for salvage parts but making a whole might be difficult.
Nor is this work for an average person. They may make repairs, but I don’t think they’ll have everything back up and running quickly or easily.

Posted by: Lex | May 5 2022 21:51 utc | 122

Stalin also issued “No step back” orders, and in his case those orders worked, at least eventually.

Posted by: Lysias | May 5 2022 21:51 utc | 123

as always, thank you b!

Posted by: annie | May 5 2022 21:53 utc | 124

The Institute for the Study of War (ISW) is a Victoria Nuland family run organization. I wouldn’t read too much in to what they say!
ISW is rubbish propaganda

Posted by: Will | May 5 2022 22:01 utc | 125

Patroklos @114–
When Russia is done with Ukraine they will be the most formidable military in the world.
I wrote about that consequence several weeks ago and then repeated it a few days ago–NATO forces will be Green and have low morale, while Russian forces will be battle-hardened and have elan-level morale. And nowhere will NATO have air superiority, its #1 doctrine prerequisite for successful operations. A smattering of barflies seem to understand that. I view the hysteria presented by major Outlaw US Military figures like the one cited @120 as evidence that they too understand and are closing in on desperate for two reasons: First, they realize the possible consequences; second, they can’t get the politicians to listen to their warnings, and those politicos have no idea about anything military. The Brass know what Biden pledged about no nuclear war, but they know they can’t win a conventional war AND probably can’t prevail in a nuclear war.
If you’re paying attention, at almost every presser nowadays, Lavrov’s asked about the SMO escalating to nuclear war. His stock answer is that both Putin and Biden have said nuclear war cannot occur, and that the UNSC-5 have all pledged the same and signed a declaration to that effect. BUT, we all know the NATO-3 of that 5 aren’t agreement capable and thus their pledges are highly suspect. Also, Lavrov also notes that all talk of nuclear war is coming from NATO, not Russia or China, aside from its inadmissibility.
Outlaw US Empire policy will be exposed if we see lots of arms being loaded onto ships on the East coast and being offloaded in UK ports along with the transfer of almost all USAF aircraft to Europe–that will signal the decision to directly enter the war and not to rely on EuroNATO to defend itself, which IMO is something Biden wants to avoid, but not Blinken or Sullivan. The Joint Chiefs of Staff’s opinion is likely split, but that’s a guess.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 5 2022 22:12 utc | 126

Let me start by stating again: I will always believe Putin was right in launching the SMO. Yes, the sacrifice is staggering, and suffice it to say that Putin is in the middle of the Perfect Storm on multiple levels with Russia alongside, and the eye of the storm not yet past. Although, there is a halcyon interval associated with the eye of the storm. We shall see how it unfolds.
@9 Petri Krohn, I so agree with what you wrote and your interpretation of the ominous visit of Boris Johnson who waxes to the Churchillian, not because he understands Putin and this moment at all, but only to disguise his stupidity and cowardly missteps with the historic gravitas needed to stir patriotic frenzy in the British public.
Although you correctly interpreted the conditions required for the SMO, you still seem unconvinced by the timing of it, albeit from a military perspective. I believe the SMO had to be launched before Western economies fully recovered from the Covid slowdown, and at a point when they were most vulnerable to inflation, and as you stated in other words, after Putin started to explore circumventing increasing Western sanctions with creative alternatives to U.S.$ and EU energy trade dependency. In 2014, Western economies were starting to peak at their highest levels. Western opposition to a Russian military operation would be buttressed by economic strength and confidence.

He paved the way for the oligarchs of the Russian nineties. The Ukraine operation is sorting the wheat from the chaff in Russia. Chaff getting blown away by the winds of change.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 5 2022 19:29 utc | 69

Could this be one of the very best outcomes of this whole affair? I hope so! I just want the best for Russia.
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I’m pleased to learn that every day Russians destroy U.S. and U.K. weaponry, eliminate delivery routes and transport, and grind down Ukrainian forces. However, in regards to the West’s nefarious capacity for escalation through cunning and sowing chaos operandi, I remain cautiously guarded. Here’s an example.
The U.S. is assassinating Russian Generals by proxy.
The U.S. has provided intel on Russian command post locations to Ukraine and helped to jam Russian communications that led to the deaths of Russian Generals all carried out with U.S. weaponry and satellite recon.
There’s an explosive article in The New York Times which I’m not linking since there’s a paywall. Instead, I’ll link The Guardian.

Ukrainian officials said they had killed about 12 Russian generals on the battlefield. The most recent fatality apparently occurred at the weekend with the reported death of Maj Gen Andrei Simonov, a Russian electronic warfare commander, who Ukraine said it killed near the city of Izyum in the Kharkiv region, which is occupied by Russian forces.

Russian Generals picked off by U.S.
I also suspected that U.S. intel was involved in the eventual sinking of the flagship Moskva. I don’t want to see Russia dragged into war with the U.S., but the U.S. and U.K. are plotting a strategy whereby, if it comes down to war between Russia and USNATO, Russia will be pulled into it severely disadvantaged in conventional war from the start. At the very least they’re trying to tempt Putin into snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
How is Putin going to address these assassinations and exercise patience and caution with all the provocative dirty tricks and illegal proxy machinations at play?
I just hope that Putin can summon the strength to navigate the Perfect Storm before him to safety and security for Russia and himself at the outcome.

Posted by: Circe | May 5 2022 22:18 utc | 127

# —-What did you have in mind?
Posted by: Patroklos | May 5 2022 21:47 utc | 119
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10774235/Ukraine-war-Russian-state-media-threatens-UK-underwater-nuke.html
https://www.biblaridion.info/blog/bar-kochba/underwater-nuke/

Posted by: Anne B | May 5 2022 22:22 utc | 128

>>>>: Scorpion | May 5 2022 20:47 utc | 99
I was referring to Zelensky ordering “no retreat” as Hitler did in WW2. As you point out (I think) the Ukrainian Army no longer has the equipment to do much.
Once they’ve destroyed most of the Ukrainian Army in Donbas, Russia should easily be able to capture up to the Dnieper River in the exploitation phase. The Russians also have secure bridgeheads across the Dnieper so the exploitation phase could stretch to Odessa and the Transnistrian border.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 5 2022 22:28 utc | 129

b said:

The order was given because the ‘west’ has pushed the Ukrainian president to not make peace with Russia. The consequence will be the assured destruction of the Ukrainian military.

Yup! Fighting Russia ’til the last Ukrainian! And of course, the Ukrainian president agrees. The Ukrainian president agrees with the Empire on everything, whether out of his own will or because there is a gun at his temper, I don’t know.
On the part of the Empire, the strategy is plain: make Russia kill as many Ukrainian as possible, so that the Empire can point fingers and say Russians kill lots of people. The citizens of the Empire are so conditioned that this kind of theatrics are effective in convincing them that Russians indeed kill people, therefore their government wanting to nuke Russia is legitimate. It has worked many times in the recent past. It got the Bosnian to kill Serbians, and vice versa. It got Indians to kill Pakistani and vice versa. It got the Hong Kongers to kill their own economy and future. It is getting the people in Taiwan to entice China to kill them. It is luring Indian into Quad so that Indians become the cannon fodders (instead Auzzies and Japs because there ain’t enough of these). The Empire is working hard and consistent to maintain its exceptionality, which it knows is losing fast.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | May 5 2022 22:31 utc | 130

Posted by: Lysias | May 5 2022 21:51 utc | 123

Stalin also issued “No step back” orders, and in his case those orders worked, at least eventually.

As far as I remember for one battle, the one at Stalingrad.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 5 2022 22:34 utc | 131

Meanwhile the USA has a firm grip on the abseiling line that leads down the cliff to its own personal woke abyss.
A good read for those who delight in having prejudices massaged or mangled.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 5 2022 22:39 utc | 132

I read an article at Quancha (cn; sorry, there is no English version) that says the entrapped remnants of Ukrainazies military in Avozstal Steel Plant are offering letting 15 civilians go in exchange for 1 ton of foodstuff supplies. The original report of the story was published in Russia.
If true, then the civilians in the steel plant are indeed viewed upon as being hostages. Oh my! I really feel sorry for Ukrainian people having to live under a government such as this.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | May 5 2022 22:51 utc | 133

Posted by: Mongo | May 5 2022 21:24 utc | 111
“the parrot is just resting”

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 5 2022 23:07 utc | 134

So where’s all this “heavy artillery” my government is diverting fiat money to from other programs that (might) benefit Americans?
I haven’t seen any western sources talking about what actually happens to this “lethal aid” once it leaves our shores. LOL

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 5 2022 23:21 utc | 135

Posted by: Feral Finster | May 5 2022 21:09 utc | 105 and others re: transformers
I happen to work in the construction field here in Texas and there’s a major shortage/backlog of transformers and other electrical devices due to the big freeze back in early 2021. In some cases the lead time is over a year.
I can’t imagine Ukraine has a better source for them than I do. From what I’ve gathered it’s nationwide here in the U.S.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 5 2022 23:23 utc | 136

Seems Ukraine has been ordered to commit suicide. Sending more forces toward Russian artillery is just making Russia’s job easier. The better strategy for Ukraine would be to withdraw, bait the Russian forces to chase, then turn Ukraine into Afghanistan-II for Russia. But Russia wouldn’t chase, I suppose. So Ukraine sends forces forward to their death. Whatever.

Posted by: Deplorable David Par | May 5 2022 23:26 utc | 137

There’s discussion brewing in Russia among high-ranking officials that a timely review of the unconstitutional dissolution of the Soviet union state needs to happen asap. This has fueled speculation among Russian analysts that what’s being prepared is a formal legal position for withdrawal of Russian recognition of Ukrainian sovereignty on that basis and a subsequent reshaping of the conflict into an internal problem.
Although, I suspect these speculative conclusions aren’t what the public, particularly that of the West and Eastern Europe, would view as the most obvious one — namely, an attempt at reconstituting the Soviet union. Considering Putin’s demands for specific security guarantees from NATO and that organization’s subsequent and continuing rejection of the suggested framework, it’s at the very least difficult to imagine that, should the proposed review take place, the results would apply solely to Ukraine while ignoring other territories and states which Russia has a stated security interest in.
Having said all that, I find it difficult to come up with reasonable predictions for how people would react, domestically, internationally, in the states directly concerned and in government positions. It also isn’t clear what such a review would amount to in real terms, since if it is merely a necessity for the internal legalistic logic of Russian action in Ukraine and Eastern Europe in general, then I would designate it as a chiefly symbolic move. But, the way I heard it being described by a Russian parliamentarian, he seemed to view it as a major legal framework readjustment for the Russian position in the UN, which I don’t see as very likely.
Maybe the whole premise is unlikely, but it’s a discussion that’s generating a bit of buzz in Russia and might blow up. Just thought you good folks might want to know and, as always, I’m curious to hear your thoughts on the matter.

Posted by: Skiffer | May 5 2022 23:27 utc | 138

@NemesisCalling | May 5 2022 21:11 utc | 106
*puke* please spare us such religious sh*t. Nobody cares who is your brother in Christ or whichever idol. Buddha is good too, or Sunwukong (my beloved). Jews are as good as fire worshippers or which religion ever, or atheists.
It is crucial to respect other peoples’ creeds or philosophies, as long as they are not lashing out to and harm others.

Posted by: aquadraht | May 5 2022 23:33 utc | 139

@Ghost Ship | May 5 2022 22:28 utc | 129
My personal armchair general take would be a fast sea- and airborne operation to take Ismail oblast. The bridge to and from Odessa is gone for a while, so not many ways to reinforce ukie garrisons there. Once done, Transnistria would have a land-sea connection, much less danger of an assault from the ukie side.

Posted by: aquadraht | May 5 2022 23:38 utc | 140

Okay, put on your big boy pants and brace yourselves for Putin’s…
Apology?

Posted by: Circe | May 6 2022 0:00 utc | 141

In response to David@102,
What I’ve heard is that most of the hardware, save for man-portables, doesn’t even cross into Ukraine, but remains concentrated on the Polish-Ukrainian border. The going theory is that it’s being prepared for a Polish-led seizure of Ukrainian territories at some opportune moment, although whether such a moment actually arrives is undetermined. I guess one could still describe weapon shipments with such a designation as being “for Ukraine” or “to Ukraine” without being too far off the mark.
I do believe that foreign supplies are being used sparingly, if at all, in fortifying positions in Ukraine such as Kiev or Odessa, since supply depots in these places continue being uncovered by Russian recon and destroyed by Russian long-range systems as a routine matter. If that really is the intended plan behind these supplies, then they’re either being written off intentionally or as the result of incompetent planning.
Mobile systems closer to the front-line could be made to serve a useful combat purpose for the Ukrainian side, if they could make it there in sufficient numbers and if the crews were proficient in operating them. I don’t think that’s in the cards.
Long-range MLRS would be a problem for Russia almost anywhere, but they wouldn’t alter the course of the war — the most valuable targets for Ukraine, going by precedent and official statements, are symbolic ones meant to demoralize Russia. Civilian infrastructure and the like; the Crimean bridge for instance. There are no military targets within reach of any weapon system that Western powers are likely to provide to Ukraine that would influence the military facts on the ground in any meaningful way. MLRS in Ukrainian hands are like sticks of dynamite around the waist of a suicide bomber.

Posted by: Skiffer | May 6 2022 0:05 utc | 142

Skiffer @138–
Yes, I’ve read some discussion of that topic. If I recall it relates to the debts Russia assumed and paid on behalf of the seceding SSRs, although the primary SSR mentioned was Ukraine. I seem to recall reading that about 6-8 weeks ago but haven’t a clue as to where.
As for Russia’s security, the fundamental basis rests on the concept of indivisible security which is found in the UN Charter, and which also formed the basis for the six OSCE Security related treaties Russia was a signatory to as were Kazakhstan, Belarus, Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan. Clearly, Russia is fine with the concept but angry that all NATO signatories violated the treaties–something none have yet to admit. Given where this has now progressed, IMO Russia will dismantle NATO and thus achieve its security goals through negotiations once that occurs. I’ll agree it’s difficult to see that far ahead, but that’s what I see as the end point.
The Outlaw US Empire’s Unipolar world’s been declared dead by Putin. Neoliberal Europe has declared itself insane and unwilling to put their citizenry’s interests ahead of all else, just as the Empire, UK, Australia, Canada, and Japan have. I excluded New Zealand as it seems to have a different posture. Together, they can’t become the Golden Billion as they’re dependent on the rest of the world. The hard lesson they’ll need to learn after jettisoning Neoliberalism is that none of them are exceptional and Anti-Human policies are 100% unacceptable; that International Law exists, and they must learn to live within its bounds. Essentially, the Ukraine crisis is a microcosm of the much larger global crisis, for which there is only one genuine solution that’s generally mapped out above.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 6 2022 0:05 utc | 143

they care about ukies roughly as much as they hivcared about takfiris in syria. or kurds. or bosnian muslims. or the troops sent to iraq who are currently living in their cars. never mind the ones who took an IED to the face.
just look at the people in charge. they’re a mix of idiots, malignant narcissists and horribly socialized sociopaths. the current president molested an aide and – from what i’ve heard from reputable sources – was sexually harassing other staff before his dead wife’s corpse was cold.
his son – who may or may not have had epic drug parties with his corrupt BFFs in ukraine – screwed his dead brother’s wife before filming himself doing crack and/or hookers. the utterly moral upper class he swims with responded to his debauchery by…buying his hideous “artwork”.
so ukies are dying for a horde of caligulas, basically.

Posted by: the pair | May 6 2022 0:06 utc | 144

odd how “hiv” wandered down from my “biden hiv” googling into my reply. so my browser just gave my reply hiv. and it didn’t even buy it dinner first.

Posted by: the pair | May 6 2022 0:08 utc | 145

Circe @141–
I read the Kremlin’s readout of the phone call and there’s no mention:

Russian President warmly congratulated Naftali Bennett and the Israeli people celebrating today’s national holiday, Independence Day. Mutual interest was expressed in the further development of friendly Russian-Israeli relations and maintaining useful contacts between the leadership of the two countries.
A thorough exchange of views on the situation in Ukraine continued. Particular attention was paid to humanitarian aspects, including the evacuation of civilians held by militants of nationalist formations from the territory of the Azovstal plant in cooperation with representatives of the UN and the International Committee of the Red Cross. As for the remaining militants at Azovstal, the Kiev authorities should order them to lay down their arms.
On the eve of Victory Day in the Great Patriotic War, which is celebrated both in Russia and in Israel on May 9, Vladimir Putin and Naftali Bennett stressed the special importance of this date for the peoples of both countries, who cherish the historical truth about the events of those years and honor the memory of all the fallen, including the victims of the Holocaust. The President of Russia recalled that of the six million Jews tortured in ghettos and concentration camps killed by the Nazis during punitive operations, 40 percent were citizens of the USSR, and asked to convey wishes of health and well-being to veterans living in Israel. Naftali Bennett, in turn, noted the decisive contribution of the Red Army to the Victory over Nazism.

Furthermore, as b reviewed in his outstanding article yesterday, Putin has nothing whatsoever to apologize for. Lavrov stated a fact. If the Zionists can’t accept their own past, then they should quit Palestine for all time. RT shouldn’t have reproduced Occupied Palestine’s BigLie. That it did is a reflection on its CEO and her very close to Anti-Russian editorial POV.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 6 2022 0:14 utc | 146

US Intel Assisted In Sinking Russian Flagship Vessel: Officials Claim Bombshell Escalation
Intelligence shared by the U.S. helped Ukraine sink the Russian cruiser Moskva, U.S. officials told NBC News, confirming an American role in perhaps the most embarrassing blow to Vladimir Putin’s troubled invasion of Ukraine.
As a reminder of just how hugely significant the claim is – and just how dangerous in terms of representing a massive escalation – the Moskva was considered the flagship of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, had 510 crewmen on board before Neptune anti-cruise ship missiles scored a direct hit in mid-April, and was the most embarrassing single blow to President Putin’s war effort of the whole conflict thus far.’
“The attack happened after Ukrainian forces asked the Americans about a ship sailing in the Black Sea south of Odesa, U.S. officials told NBC News,” the report continues. “The U.S. identified it as the Moskva, officials said, and helped confirm its location, after which the Ukrainians targeted the ship.” This comes after the NY Times revealed in a report the night prior that much of the intel-sharing is focused on Russian troop and equipment movements.
According to further details based on anonymous US senior officials: The U.S. did not know in advance that Ukraine was going to target the Moskva, officials said, and was not involved in the decision to strike. Maritime intelligence is shared with Ukraine to help it defend against attack from Russian ships, officials added. The U.S. role in the sinking has not been previously reported.
Biden admin officials in the days after the Moskva sinking had been relatively silent, possibly suggesting that they knew more about the details than their quiet public stance.

Posted by: Sundial | May 6 2022 0:24 utc | 147

What I blame Putin and Lavrov for (as far as I do at all) is that they do not hammer more on the necrophiliac and otherwise pervert Bandera and OUN cult in Ukraine, especially when dealing with relations to Israel.
The OUN was the vanguard of the Holocoaust, and Bandera one of its engineers. I his paper “Struggles and Activities”, written in occupied Poland in Spring 1941, he explicitly drafted the organization of pogroms, and in effect wiping out the Jewish population of Ukraine, the Polish, and Russian element being on the list too for later. OUN slogan (replicated with minor changes on Maidan) was “Moskalyaku na gilyaku, Yevrey na nozhi, Polski na San” (hang Russians, stab Jews, drown Poles). The Slogan was reused on Maidan with the first two parts only, and Jews replaced by “Moskali” once more. So much for the OUN “defenders of the fatherland”.
It is completely irrelevant and bull whether Hitler had this or that grandfather, or which Jews betrayed their kin, people betray their kin anytime, everywhere, not just kokainissimus Zelensky. But it is not irrelevant that Bandera and the OUN/UPA thugs had a program, and practise to exterminate Jews in company with the Nazi extermination program. That is what the hypocrites in Tel Aviv must be confronted with, again and again.

Posted by: aquadraht | May 6 2022 0:29 utc | 148

@139 aqua
Ok, well then you wouldn’t mind if Christianity imposed itself and became the dominant force in India or China, right?
No, I think the Chinese and Indians would have something to say about that, as they already deal with religious hostility upon their minority groups.
No, suffice to say posters like you actually WANT America to be an exceptional Nation where we are the only country in the world that lets another minority religion run roughshod over the majority.
Besides, I want my Christianity to be merciful but firm in its resolve. But, with an impending horrific collapse, it may be difficult to hold back and help to remain rational those who want to water the tree of liberty once again.
I want my country to act like a civilized nation again, sans exception. That means recognizing a dominant natural religion intrinsic to its proper function.
Even Xi in China has been writing books about Confucianism and how important it will be to a future China.
As I went round and round with vk about, as China reclaims its natural identity via a resurgent natural religion, its emphasis on Marxism will be serverely diminished to the point of irrelevancy. The same phenomenon is being demonstrated with a resurgent Christianity in Russia under Putin.
Face the reality.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 6 2022 0:33 utc | 149

Certainly WWI artillery could be devastating but it had its shortfalls. Build a strong enough series of dugouts back from the front line trench system and in spite of the heaviest bombardments the vast majority of troops would survive to quickly reemerge and set up the machine guns in the trenches behind the barbed wire after the bombardment lifted. As well, the shell holes were a great impediment to advance and by destroying the natural drainage the battlefield quickly became a morass. As well, 90% of the explosive force of a shell simply moved dirt with the dirt absorbing the shrapnel.
A huge advance in artillery effectiveness, estimated at 5 to 10 times, was achieved by the U.S. in the late stage of WWII with the introduction of proximity fuses whereby the shell would be detonated at a preset height vastly increasing the effectiveness of shrapnel. A simple trench system provides much less protection from air bursts vs. ground burst. Of course, troops in the open or in hasty shallow excavations are greatly exposed to air bursts.
This explains why one sees the bodies of KIA laying about but no evidence of shell fire. In some cases one can see dead livestock as well but no evidence visible of shell fire. With the recent innovation of drone targeting including IR to spot troop concentrations (very, very difficult to camouflage from IR) artillery for such an environment as Ukraine is the king of the battlespace at the tactical level. When supported by air superiority, air defence and long range strike missiles, the Russian military is now engaged in a “turkey shoot”. One cannot a more perfect scenario to play into the Red Army’s wheel house. NATO and Ukraine are like the pitcher on the mound grooving fastballs over the center of the plate thinking hes going to wear out the opposing batters by them hitting home run.

Posted by: Oswald | May 6 2022 0:35 utc | 150

Posted by: Skiffer | May 5 2022 23:27 utc | 138
If what you describe were to occur then the EU response would be:
1) To claim that national security is a matter of inter-dependence between states.
2) That the RF is encroaching upon the borders of the EU and this threatens the vital security interests of the EU.
3) Demand a diplomatic reponse from the RF and that it honour the verbal agreements entered into by Regan, Baker et al at the time of the collapse of the U.S.S.R. and German reunification.
I look forward to karlof1’s translation of Putin’s blistering response.

Posted by: Sushi | May 6 2022 0:40 utc | 151

With the corruption with Biden and Soros alone in Ukraine, and the ACTOR- Zelenskyy, Ukraine should go under. Biden, Zelenskyy and Soros are probably drooling over the $$$$33 billion they can share. Our money is not going to anything else, as Ukraine is the laundry for all the corrupt money in the world it seems.
There are 19 (or were, before bombed), bio-weapon labs too close to Russia where the U.S. and who else???; planned to release some horror disease in Russia.
Also, the East part of Ukraine are Russians, who want to again be part of Russia. Putin is not perfect, but he loves Russia and does for his country, and he knew about the dangerous labs, but I would have gone in cleaner, plain clothes in cars and blow up at each at a certain hour, get in cars and leave………….Oh well, guys like to blow things up.

Posted by: Adelle | May 6 2022 0:44 utc | 152

@Nemesis Calling | May 6 2022 0:33 utc | 149
I can respect that Christianity as a cultural and institutional phenomenon in different forms is playing a role in several countries, as it does in Russia, or Italy, or Greece, and maybe in the US if it would stay civilized (it does not). And of course I respect the personal creed or conviction of every individual. And I do not have trouble with Jews many seem obsessed of.

Posted by: aquadraht | May 6 2022 0:44 utc | 153

One of the visitors to this blog yesterday was the English socialist Tony Greenstein. His blog is, like this one, worth following https://azvsas.blogspot.com/.
And today it is particularly relevant:
On May 2 1933 Hitler Banned the Trade Unions and Sent Thousands of Workers and Trade Unionists to the Concentration Camps
81 years later, on May 2 2014, Trade Union House in Odessa was Burnt to the Ground – Over 100 People Were Murdered by the Fascists…in Ukraine

Posted by: bevin | May 6 2022 0:45 utc | 154

I suggest there is another reason that Elensky is mullering the Ukrainian manpower – he’ll be able to sell of the land that remains to the foreign conglomerates- because there isn’t anyone local left to manage it.
Bozo was there to provide the actor the excuse to pay the price of the decade of ‘investment’ by their masters.
There was never going to be a win over Russia on its doorstep.
So the loss had to be profitable too. Russophobia for decades, racism, is a goal. That’s why the PR is shamefaced and unrelenting.
Apparently US may lead in banning half 70 years of anti Nazi films!
As Kurt Vonnegut wrote:
So It Goes.

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 6 2022 0:51 utc | 155

Skiffer #138

There’s discussion brewing in Russia USA among high-ranking officials that a timely review of the unconstitutional dissolution of the Soviet union state Ukraine needs to happen asap. This has fueled speculation among Russian State Department analysts that what’s being prepared is a formal legal position for withdrawal of Russian UN recognition of Ukrainian sovereignty on that basis and a subsequent reshaping of the conflict into an internal NATO problem.
Although, I suspect these speculative conclusions aren’t what the public, particularly that of the West and Eastern Europe, would view as the most obvious one — namely, an attempt at reconstituting the Soviet union USA empire.

That looks more realistic don’t you think?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 6 2022 0:52 utc | 156

# –aquadraht | May 5 2022 23:33 utc | 139
I have to repuke you, because you are only speaking for yourself, no one else.

Posted by: Anne B | May 6 2022 1:05 utc | 157

@Anne B | May 6 2022 1:05 utc | 157
While you are speaking for others? lol

Posted by: aquadraht | May 6 2022 1:09 utc | 158

I was reading several articles on the fate of Germans in Poland during the 1930’s and there are many similarities to the fate of the Russian speaking people in Ukraine. Poland exclusively expropriated the land of German speaking Poles at prices which were very much below market value. There was many years of violence directed at the German minority in Poland for years, including famous cases of Poles murdering Germans in Danzig who were not prosecuted in Poland. Poland was trying to replace the League of Nations as guarantors of the Free City of Danzig surreptitiously. The Poles also put the squeeze on citizens of Danzig through high tariffs on goods entering and leaving the city state, and all of this was done by the Poles because they knew that the UK were their guard dog. The Brits promised to attack Germany if there was any aggression towards the Poles by the former.
Deja vu all over again?

Posted by: Manage without me | May 6 2022 1:12 utc | 159

I also read a very good article somewhere about the motivation of the USA administration in pursuing this crazy
Well, it finally makes sense: many Latin American, African and Asian countries will have problems meeting their financial obligations and will have to rely on the IMF and the World Bank to make ends meet. And guess who controls these two entities? It’s a way of making any wayward subjects return to the fold

Posted by: Manage without me | May 6 2022 1:16 utc | 160

Large numbers of Ukrainian Nazis and Jew-killers escaped from the wrath of the Red Army after WWII and settled around Edmonton, Alberta in Canada. Freeland’s lot set up around the Peace River area in that Province. The Ukrainian “DP’s” as they passed themselves off as to get into Canada, are to this day known as “Bohunks.” On this site Ukrainians are called “Ukies” and “Ukonazis.” It seems to me, however. that we should be referring to them by their proper name ie: BOHUNKS.

Posted by: hoggy | May 6 2022 1:17 utc | 161

Lavrov Trolling: https://twitter.com/backtolife_2022/status/1522325834178125828?

Posted by: Sundial | May 6 2022 1:17 utc | 162

@Manage without me | May 6 2022 1:12 utc | 159
Depending on the source, some caution is advised. About the treatment of Germans in post WW1 Poland, the writings of Carl von Ossietzky are one of the best sources (beside the reports of the Voelkerbund), depicting discriminations and unjustice, unflattering for the semi fascist Sanacya regime, but also not bathing in self pity and overdone accusations as the “voelkische” right wingers in Germany did. As Ossietzky wrote, it was ways more comfortably to be a German in Poland than being one of the other minorities, or much more a Polish socialist or communist.

Posted by: aquadraht | May 6 2022 1:23 utc | 163

@ Posted by: Circe | May 5 2022 22:18 utc | 127
re. Generals picked-off.
Sounds like the work of kamikazi drones.
Its seems to me that the drones and the javelins have shifted the balance of the fighting to some degree. I also not a lack of mention of air support. So no Russia must rely heavily on artillery and cruise missiles – seems like cruise missles are around 50% effective, maybe depending on type. Very slow going in the absense of some major manuever which would entail too many casualties. That is my impression. Seems like Russia need to modernize.

Posted by: jared | May 6 2022 1:26 utc | 164

Interesting info, Skiffer.
I saw a poll done in 1991, among all the countries of the USSR, asking if they wanted to dissolve the union. The results were overwhelmingly against such a dissolution, except in Poland, where there was a bare majority against it.
We see that the leaders of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus ignored the will of the vast majority of the people and signed the dissolution of the USSR. This is called “democracy” in the US and its vassals.
You could blame those 3 men, but the dissolution of the USSR was a long time plan involving many people. And now it is considered beyond the pale to overturn that disastrous event? That is the result of 30 years of propaganda.
Blaming Biden or Zelensky for the current events would be equally foolish.
It is not Biden, a dementia patient, or Zelensky, elected on a peace platform, who are directing events.
The US wants the territory and resources of Russia and they will stop at nothing to get them.

Posted by: wagelaborer | May 6 2022 1:29 utc | 165

@Aquadraht, you’re quite right and wrong about that. Firstly, you’re right because the Poles took similar anti-Jewish measures as the Germans did, although I haven’t looked to see who instituted the measures first, Poland or Germany. Jews were barred from practicing medicine, barred from academic life, etc in Poland, much as they were in Germany.
Secondly, once the Poles signed an agreement with Britain, the Polish Security Minister, who was responsible for the safety of the German minority, flatly told the representative of this community that it was impossible for the Germans in Poland to improve their fate and that his policy required a harsh treatment of German Poles.
Very similar to what the Ukies were doing to the Russians – poking the Bear, but the Poles were poking the Germans, knowing that any aggression against them would have the Brits starting WW2 by attacking the Germans in retaliation.

Posted by: Manage without me | May 6 2022 1:37 utc | 166

NC @ 106 said;”It is also imperative that Christians realize that Jews are not our brothers until they come to Christ.”
Seriously? Wow, if you actually believe that, consider a lobotomy.

Posted by: vetinLA | May 6 2022 1:38 utc | 167

@hoggy, most Ukrainian Canadians arrived in Canada prior to WW1 and settled the Prairie provinces, some of which didn’t even belong to Canada yet (Alberta joined Canada in 1905 IIRC). I remember seeing pictures of the wild wheat that grew in Manitoba at the time – it was about 10 feet tall, and that land had to be cleared to be sown with a more modern version of that grain.
The Canadian prairies resemble Ukrainian quite a bit – flat or rolling prairie, with a similar or maybe a bit colder climate.
All my Ukrainian friends in Canada grand-parents or great-grandparents were homesteaders who had to build sod or log one room huts to live in. Many Swedes and Germans arrived in North America at he same time, but most of these groups seemed to prefer settling in the USA.

Posted by: Manage without me | May 6 2022 1:43 utc | 168

NC @ 106 said;”It is also imperative that Christians realize that Jews are not our brothers until they come to Christ.”
Seriously? Wow, if you actually believe that, consider a lobotomy.
Posted by: vetinLA | May 6 2022 1:38 utc | 167

Indeed, that attitude doesn’t sound at all like the one Jesus himself is supposed to have had.
But then, the great accomplishment of Christianity is the wholesale rejection of Jesus’s teachings.

Posted by: malenkov | May 6 2022 1:45 utc | 169

Posted by: aquadraht | May 6 2022 0:29 utc | 148
Agreed. I suspect they think it doesn’t have enough resonance. But it would be a good time to start putting out masses of information on the history of Bandera and the OUN. Especially since it ties in cia and MI6 quite well. Beyond that, the Ukrainian community in a lot of western countries (especially the US and Canada) have kept the flame lit.
There’s a guy on substack who traces the OUN in modern times. It’s dense stuff. The Bandera Blog.

Posted by: Lex | May 6 2022 1:55 utc | 170

Good article as usual but I’m still unconvinced that a quick victory is on the cards.
In WW2, the writing was on the wall after the failure of ‘Operation Citadel’ and the allied landings in Sicily as early as 1943. Any remaining reasonable doubts about the final outcome were removed by Operation Bagration (otherwise known as the destruction of Army Group Centre) in June 1944. However the war in Europe still dragged on for nearly a year afterwards. Similarly, the Japanese had any chance of eventual victory snatched away at Midway island in June 1942 yet they were to fight on for three more years. Unlike the Ukrainians, neither the Germans nor the Japanese had hopes that a giant military alliance might be about to come to their rescue.
Undoubtedly the Ukrainian servicemen are being fed an unduly optimistic assessment of the overall situation by their government and commanders. The Western media is currently a propaganda arm of the NATO/Ukronazi government, so how are they expected to learn the truth? Would they even dare listen to Russian media, even if they were inclined? Even if they knew the truth, how many would dare desert with a modern day Gestapo in the rear areas?
So yes, the RF is winning decisively, with a low casualty rate (despite only using a tithe of their forces) but they are not winning quickly and that is the point. True, the Ukrainians are suffering heavy losses but those daily losses are unremarkable in the history of warfare. NATO involvement is real, it matters little how effective it is at this point, the fact that it is happening at all is sufficient to underpin the propaganda blitzkrieg, give heart to the Ukrainian military and stiffen their resistance.

Posted by: MarkU | May 6 2022 1:59 utc | 171

The Russians made a mistake in the first month, not fighting hard enough. And they paid a price, even though, yes, the diversion toward Kiev was actually successful in its goal.
Now I see they are fighting harder. The artillery assaults are brutal. I feel for the Ukranian victims, but that is what you get when you fight Russia. You get your ass kicked.

Posted by: Robert Rangewolf | May 6 2022 2:03 utc | 172

“It is also imperative that Christians realize that Jews are not our brothers until they come to Christ.”
Cabbages For Christ are always embarrassingly delusional.
And make humans a bit of a laughingstock.

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | May 6 2022 2:03 utc | 173

Hello barflies.
I have been reading your articles and comments for 2 months now, and I appreciate them, and the perspective they supply in the Ukraine situation.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 6 2022 2:04 utc | 174

On the lighter side, find this on asb/military telegram:

Zelensky: Ukraine needs up to $7 billion a month to cover the state budget deficit.
$600 billion is needed to restore everything destroyed.

Where should I send the bill?

Posted by: jared | May 6 2022 2:05 utc | 175

In response to

Well, it finally makes sense: many Latin American, African and Asian countries will have problems meeting their financial obligations and will have to rely on the IMF and the World Bank to make ends meet. And guess who controls these two entities? It’s a way of making any wayward subjects return to the fold
Posted by: Manage without me | May 6 2022 1:16 utc | 160

Have you read The Shock Doctrine? It describes how all the Latin American countries were enslaved to the IMF/World Bank arms of the God of Mammon cult back in the early 1970’s when countries having public structured Central Banks were “convinced” that taking on private IMF/World Bank debt was a good idea.
I believe that this current civilization dustup will bring humanity to a point where the global debt situation is resolved…read the recent posting by Ellen Brown linked to below for more on that thought
A Monetary Reset Where the Rich Don’t Own Everything

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 6 2022 2:06 utc | 176

I don’t think the Russians will care one way or another what the remainder of Ukraine think of them once this operation is over and they have carved out the better part of it for their ‘patronage’; no matter how long it takes.
They will (already have in most respects) turn their backs on Europe completely & irrevocably and focus fully on the great bulk of Eurasia to the east.
Between Russia & China there is a prosperous future for all along the New Silk Road.
Not so much for the old sick western road.

Posted by: digital dinosaur | May 6 2022 2:13 utc | 177

NC @ 106 said;”It is also imperative that Christians realize that Jews are not our brothers until they come to Christ.”
Seriously? Wow, if you actually believe that, consider a lobotomy.
Posted by: vetinLA | May 6 2022 1:38 utc | 167
One should not mixed the issues. Jews are our brothers, they love Israel as we do, Israel is Americas best ally ever, and benefactor of all humanity (cherry tomatoes, computer chips, best spying software, skunk gas etc. etc.). Yet almost all will make their last trip to the Lake of Fire, as they did not recognize Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 6 2022 2:13 utc | 178

“…It is also imperative that Christians realize that Jews are not our brothers until they come to Christ…”
Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 5 2022 21:11 utc | 106
That might be your opionion, NemesisCalling, but it is NOT Christ’s.
“Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”

Posted by: juliania | May 6 2022 2:22 utc | 179

@Piotr Berman
A Jew dies and ends up at the Pearly Gates. St Peter says, “ok, you can go in, room 37, straight ahead, but whatever you do, don’t make any noise when passing by room 22”. The Jews thanks St Peter and goes on his merry way, but when he comes to room 22, he hears a party going on, and wonders what’s happening. So he retraces his steps and goes back to St Peter to ask why he can’t make any noise around room 22.
St Peter says “Oh, room 22 is for the Catholics. They think they’re the only ones up here”.

Posted by: Manage without me | May 6 2022 2:24 utc | 180

Skiffer | May 5 2022 23:27 utc | 138
Putin has said a number of times the collapse of the soviet Union was a tragedy because people became citizens of whatever state they happened to live in. various ethnic groups in Russia became Russian citizens and ethnic Russians became citizens of foreign countries.
I believe measures are being put in place now to help ethnic Russians return to Russia.
As to Ukraine, I think it will be broken up through referendums. That has already started with Crimea and the two republics. Perhaps the Hungarian area will do the same at some time. I believe they have also been forced to speak Ukrainian.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2022 2:32 utc | 181

Right now Russia is successfully replicating Falkenhayn’s original strategy at Verdun in 1916: letting the enemy bleed itself to death trying to hold on to territory it should logically and in its own best interests abandon. Elensky is down to sending Territorial Defence (home guard Volkssturm) to fight at the front, and in a few weeks there will be nobody to send except the nazis of whom Elensky can’t send most because he needs to keep them happy so they don’t eliminate him. At that point what will NATO do? Former Ukranazistan exists or send in troops as in Vietnam, “not to fight” but to “free Ukrainian soldiers to fight”? We know how what went first time around.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 6 2022 2:38 utc | 182

psychohistorian | May 6 2022 2:06 utc | 176
Manage without me | May 6 2022 1:16 utc | 160
I think it was Hudson that talked about future role of the IMF and Would bank in enslaving Africa and Latin America.
The new economic system being set up – a key feature to that is it would allow countries trapped by the western economic system to default on their debt with blowback.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2022 2:39 utc | 183

*Forget, not former.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | May 6 2022 2:39 utc | 184

@Peter AU1,
In some Baltic states with largish Russian minorities, there are some incredible language laws. For example, I think it’s in Estonia that to get a passport, you have to pass an Estonian language exam. This is aimed at the Russians who remained there after the fall of the Soviet Union.

Posted by: Manage without me | May 6 2022 2:41 utc | 185

@179 juliania
Sure it is.
“No one comes to the Father except through me.”
Did Jesus not speak those words?
When Christ died for us, he became the new covenant, the new Jerusalem.
All the Jews who did not follow him thusly from that point on became revolutionaries against this new Jerusalem and have been ever since. Please have a look at the writings of E. Michael Jones if you want to know all the love your brothers in Christ have for us Christians and the world’s Jerusalem.
Sorry to rebuke such a nice person. But these are not nice times.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 6 2022 2:41 utc | 186

MarkU #173
Agreed. At some Putin will have to decide what his options are if NATO/US continue to provide Ukraine with ever-increasing means to continue the war. On an existential level he might consider whether Russia or NATO countries have more to lose if the war escalates to an unpredictably dangerous level, then act accordingly.
What’s the point of having tactical nuclear weapons if you’re not prepared to use them?

Posted by: Krypton | May 6 2022 2:44 utc | 187

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize,”
– Russia’s president has apologized to the Israeli PM over controversial remarks made by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov –
https://www.rt.com/news/555039-putin-lavrov-israel-apology/

Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 6 2022 2:53 utc | 188

Rob | May 5 2022 19:07 utc | 57
downtownhaiku | May 5 2022 19:53 utc | 83
Thanks for the link to Helmer’s THE LAST DITCH IS POLAND – RUSSIA’S PHASE-3 PLAN FOR WESTERN UKRAINE
This map may help locate the highways and cities mentioned.

Posted by: pogohere | May 6 2022 2:54 utc | 189

Readers may find this interesting:
“A slowly regenerating Russian army is making incremental gains in eastern Ukraine against valiant but underequipped Ukrainian forces. The United States and its allies are racing to deliver the enormous quantities of weaponry the Ukrainians urgently need if they are to hold the Russians at bay.”
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1522364954548051974

Posted by: D | May 6 2022 2:55 utc | 190

Manage without me | May 6 2022 2:41 utc | 185
I think Putin said 25 million Russians were trapped abroad with the collapse of the soviet union. I have read a bit about the problems for the ethic Russians in the Baltic countries. I guess that will get a lot worse now.
I believe there has been some major Russian bureaucratic hurdles though for ethnic Russians who want to emigrate back to Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 6 2022 3:02 utc | 191

St Peter says “Oh, room 22 is for the Catholics. They think they’re the only ones up here”.
Posted by: Manage without me | May 6 2022 2:24 utc | 180
LOL

Posted by: K | May 6 2022 3:11 utc | 192

Vladimir Platov in “New Eastern Outlook” has a story today about the capture of Trevor Cadieu, the Canadian Lt.General. Platov says that “according to reports circulating, General Cadieu was in charge of Azovstal’s underground bunkers, including biological laboratory No. 1, where 18 people worked with deadly viruses….”
“…The secrets shrouding this industrial facility and the “skeletons in the closet” lurking in its underground shelters have already been revealed in an investigation by Palestinian journalist and writer Nabil Salem: “All this is happening against the background of reports about the existence of a special room under the mill, which houses the secret headquarters of the North Atlantic Alliance with the number pit_40 for the production of biological weapons. In addition to a number of NATO officers, 240 foreign researchers of various nationalities – from the United States, Germany, Canada, Italy, Spain, Turkey, Sweden, Austria, Poland, Greece, as well as soldiers of the French Legion – are stationed there. It has emerged that this secret headquarters is run by Metabiota company of Hunter Biden, son of US President Joe Biden, and his partner, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenski.”
“Although perhaps, given General Trevor Cadieu’s direct involvement in US biological laboratories in Ukraine, he may be able to add something to the UK-based The Exposé’s investigation into the direct criminal involvement of the US and Ukraine in the emergence of the COVID-19 pandemic…”
https://journal-neo.org/2022/05/05/what-can-the-imprisoned-canadian-general-tell/

Posted by: bevin | May 6 2022 3:31 utc | 193

Another reliable source of information on geopolitics is The Greenville Post. In the current edition there are articles by Eric Zuesse (Nazi Germany is today, not MERELY in the past) and Rhadika Desai (The US war over Ukraine is a phase in the West’s hybrid war on Russia) as well as Jacques R. Pauwels
on the German Surrenders in May 1945, and their significance.
https://www.greanvillepost.com/2022/05/04/may-1945-nazi-germany-surrenders-but-on-may-7-8-or-9/

Posted by: bevin | May 6 2022 3:45 utc | 194

– Russia’s president has apologized to the Israeli PM over controversial remarks made by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov –
https://www.rt.com/news/555039-putin-lavrov-israel-apology/
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 6 2022 2:53 utc | 188
Well that is a very misleading RT article, it specifically states in the text that the “apology” did not appear in the readout of the conversation. So. did RT just make it up?

Posted by: K | May 6 2022 3:50 utc | 195

75
I concur with you 100%.
This explains perfectly the attitude of the Western Press, the EU Govt, the US govt action, the Israeli posture.
They want Ukraine as the new Israel. depopulated for their enjoyment.

Posted by: CarlD | May 6 2022 3:55 utc | 196

196,
Reading or watching RT, I have wondered many times about Simonyan’s antics. To what tune is her fiddle attuned?
Many times her bias is so blatant, I take refuge in Sputnik which is a lot more professional.
RT is, in my opinion at least 60% Zionist.

Posted by: CarlD | May 6 2022 3:59 utc | 197

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 6 2022 2:06 utc | 176
Thanks ph for that link which reminds that Ellen Brown (finance’s answer to Ann Margaret?) needs to be high on your
list if you wish to keep the ‘big pic’ focus. Michael Hudson deservedly gets a lot of attention but imho Brown is better at
explaining the financial workings. She is prolific btw, for those who are caught up on all the comments here.

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 6 2022 4:02 utc | 198

Posted by: Oriental Voice | May 5 2022 22:51 utc | 133
The article at Quancha that you referred to is based on an article published by TASS. It is available in English:
“Kremlin blasts Azovstal-entrenched militants ‘terrorist’ demands”
https://tass.com/politics/1447337

Posted by: TN | May 6 2022 4:08 utc | 199

Posted by: K | May 6 2022 3:50 utc | 195

Well that is a very misleading RT article, it specifically states in the text that the “apology” did not appear in the readout of the conversation. So. did RT just make it up?

No, Israeli prime minister said so.

Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett said he accepted an apology from Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday for controversial remarks about the Holocaust made by Moscow’s top diplomat.

Posted by: hopehely | May 6 2022 4:12 utc | 200