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May 20, 2022

Ukraine SitRep - Russians Break Through U.S. Bolsterism

On May 14 I noted that the U.S. had asked Russia for a ceasefire in Ukraine:

The U.S. readout of the call says:

On May 13, Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III spoke with Russian Minister of Defense Sergey Shoygu for the first time since February 18. Secretary Austin urged an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine and emphasized the importance of maintaining lines of communication.

Austin initiated the call and the U.S. is seeking a ceasefire in Ukraine!!!

Yesterday the top officers of the U.S. and Russia had a call which, again, the U.S. side had initiated:

Army Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Gen. Valery Gerasimov, chief of the Russian General Staff, held a conversation that the Pentagon declined to further detail beyond acknowledging it had happened.

Thinks must be bad in Ukraine for this to have happened. Indeed if one trusts the daily 'clobber list' the Russian Ministry of Defense puts out all positions of the Ukrainian army are under heavy artillery fire and it is losing about 500 men per day. There are additional Russian effective strikes on training camps, weapon storage sites and transport hubs all over the country.

On top of that the tactical situation at the eastern frontline has changed after Russian forces broke through the heavily fortified frontline.

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A few days ago the Russian army went forward along the H-32 road, broke through the line in the direction of Propasna and took the town. It has since extended the bulge by taking several villages to the north, west and south.


This breakthrough gives the chance to roll up the Ukrainian fortifications along the frontline through flank attacks or from behind. By cutting the supply lines of the Ukrainian troops to the north and south envelopes can be created which will eventual lead to cauldrons with no way out for the Ukrainian troops.

This is especially dangerous for the several thousand soldiers north of the bulge which currently defend the cities of Sieverodonetsk and Lysychansk in the north eastern part of the upper bubble.


The Russian plan was to have another breakthrough from the north pushing to Siversk to then close the upper envelope. But after several failed attempts to cross the forest area and the Seversky Donets river that breakthrough has still to happen.

Russia is now likely to push fresh troops into the Propasna bulge to extend its reach into all directions. Reports of current actions show that the heavy fighting and bombing on the frontline continues and that bombing also continues to target traffic nodes.


Other fronts in Ukraine are currently relatively quiet with little direct fire. Still daily Russian artillery attacks hits all Ukrainian front lines and will cost daily casualties.

Some 2,000 Azov militia and Ukrainian army troops have left the catacombs of Azovstal in Mariupol. Another thousand may still be down there. The Russian army is filtering these prisoners. Members of Azov and other militia will be put to court. Ukrainian army soldiers will become prisoners of war.

The gasoline and diesel scarcity in Ukraine is currently having severe impacts. Even the Ukrainian military is now rationing its fuel. Since about six weeks ago Russia has systematically attacked refineries and fuel storage sites in Ukraine. It also disabled railroad bridges along the lines that brought fuel from Moldova and Romania.

At the same time the Ukrainian government had held up price regulations for fuel. The consumer sale prices for diesel and gasoline were fixed. The cost of fuel brought in by private trucks from Poland exceeded the price gas station owners could ask for. In consequence gas stations ran dry as their owners refrained from purchasing new fuel.

Three days ago the Zelensky regime in Kiev finally ended the fuel price control:

According to [economy minister] Svyrydenko, the government expects that the maximum prices for diesel will not exceed UAH 58 ($1.97), for gasoline — UAH 52 ($1.76) per liter, once controls are lifted.

“As soon as we feel that market operators are abusing their position, we will impose sanctions on them,” she added.

“We will monitor the situation on a daily basis”.

The expected prices are lower than what is currently asked for in Germany and that is without trucking the fuel the 600 kilometer from Poland to Kiev. The threat of sanctions also means that local wholesalers will have little incentives to actually deal in fuel. With the average wages in Ukraine being about $480 per months the real fuel prices will soon become another economic shock.

The Ukrainian government also continues its attacks on unions and labor laws:

In March, the Ukrainian parliament passed wartime legislation that severely curtailed the ability of trade unions to represent their members, introduced ‘suspension of employment’ (meaning employees are not fired, but their work and wages are suspended) and gave employers the right to unilaterally suspend collective agreements.
But beyond this temporary measure, a group of Ukrainian MPs and officials are now aiming to further ‘liberalise’ and ‘de-Sovietise’ the country’s labour laws. Under a draft law, people who work in small and medium-sized firms – those which have up to 250 employees – would, in effect, be removed from the country’s existing labour laws and covered by individual contracts negotiated with their employer. More than 70% of the Ukrainian workforce would be affected by this change.

Against a background of concerns that Ukrainian officials are using Russia’s invasion to push through a long-awaited radical deregulation of labour laws, one expert has warned that the introduction of civil law into labour relations risks opening a “Pandora’s box” for workers.

In total the social-economic situation for Ukraine is catastrophic. The military situation is even worse. Mariupol has fallen and Russian troops working there will soon be able to go elsewhere. The Propasna bulge is threatening to envelope the whole northern frontline together with the core of the Ukrainian army.

There is no more talk of the Ukrainian army 'winning' like in Kiev or Karkov where the Russian troops retreated in good order after finishing their task of holding Ukrainian forces in place.

The Ukrainian command has sent several territorial brigades to the front lines. These units were supposed to defend their home towns. They consist of middle age men drafted into service. They have little fighting experience and lack heavy weapons. Several of these units have published videos saying they were giving up. They are lamenting that their commanders left them when their situation became critical.

That the Ukrainian army is now using such units as cannon fodder shows that it has only few reserves left.

Weapons that come in from the 'west' have difficulties reaching the front lines and had so far very little effect. They amount to drops of water on a hot plate.

All the above are the reasons why Austin and Milley have phoned up their Russian equivalents. They are also the reasons why the New York Times editors call on the Biden administration to end its bluster and to take a more realistic position:

Recent bellicose statements from Washington — President Biden’s assertion that Mr. Putin “cannot remain in power,” Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin’s comment that Russia must be “weakened” and the pledge by the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, that the United States would support Ukraine “until victory is won” — may be rousing proclamations of support, but they do not bring negotiations any closer.
In the end, it is the Ukrainians who must make the hard decisions: They are the ones fighting, dying and losing their homes to Russian aggression, and it is they who must decide what an end to the war might look like. If the conflict does lead to real negotiations, it will be Ukrainian leaders who will have to make the painful territorial decisions that any compromise will demand.
[A]s the war continues, Mr. Biden should also make clear to President Volodymyr Zelensky and his people that there is a limit to how far the United States and NATO will go to confront Russia, and limits to the arms, money and political support they can muster. It is imperative that the Ukrainian government’s decisions be based on a realistic assessment of its means and how much more destruction Ukraine can sustain.
Confronting this reality may be painful, but it is not appeasement. This is what governments are duty bound to do, not chase after an illusory “win.” Russia will be feeling the pain of isolation and debilitating economic sanctions for years to come, and Mr. Putin will go down in history as a butcher. The challenge now is to shake off the euphoria, stop the taunting and focus on defining and completing the mission. America’s support for Ukraine is a test of its place in the world in the 21st century, and Mr. Biden has an opportunity and an obligation to help define what that will be.

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All too easy to tell cobo @92's a troll thanks to its introduction.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 20 2022 21:33 utc | 101

Nico @102--

Russia's goal is the demilitarization of Ukraine. If a ceasefire led to that result, Russia would readily accept one.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 20 2022 21:36 utc | 102

The 'reality' quote was Turd Blossom. He might have been tossing around ideas in his for a Cheney speech at the time or something, but having been very familiar with Rove's activities as a GOP operative dating to before Bush was the Governor of Texas, it rings very 'Rovian' to me. This quote keeps coming up in threads lately and Suskind said it was given to him by an "aide" or "senior advisor" to President Bush, which is exactly what Rove had been for him and other Republicans for a long time.

When it came up again as part of a song by an alternative rock band, Newsweek reached out to both Rove and Suskind. Rove's denial is also very Rovian and we all know the saying: It ain't true 'til there's an official denial.

“Not familiar with the band and the quote is fictitious,” Rove wrote. “The only person in the room who supposedly heard this quote was the ‘reporter’—none of the other people in the room heard anything like it, including its supposed author (me).” (When I repeated this to Suskind, he confirmed the validity of the quote but clarified that he’s never identified Rove as the speaker. He won’t say either way; the conversation was meant to be not for attribution, and that agreement still stands.)

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 20 2022 21:36 utc | 103

Judging by the way US and Europe want to get their hands on the Ukraine grain stocks, plus their generally collapsing economy, Ukrainians have a genuine Holodomor to look forward to in the not too distant future. They wont be spending too much time on their fake history then.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 20 2022 21:37 utc | 104

Posted by: Scorpion | May 20 2022 21:29 utc | 101

Regardless, the question is whether an intentional genocide - which by definition means proactively planning and carrying out - or whether it was a combination of errors and misjudgments. If villagers were really prevented from leaving their respective villages, are any reasons provided and any evidence presented that had they been allowed to leave (assuming true) they would have been able to acquire foodstuffs?

Also high ranking elements of the Canadian government are notorious Nazi apologists and enablers and very anti-Russian.

None of which is to say that the famine now called Holodomor wasn't a tragedy of epic proportions, but as bevin pointed out, numerous other groups were suffering from the same famine conditions and there's no proof or motive that it was an intentional plot to murder a bunch of Ukrainians. Unlike the British plot to murder a bunch of Irish, that is. Stalin put his trust in a quack botanist who was basically pushing the earlier version of "Idiocracy" and Brawndo to quench plants' thirst.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 20 2022 21:42 utc | 106

Don’t waste everybody’s time by reflexively criticizing me to where I have to waste space responding. Please.

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 20 2022 21:38 utc | 108

LOL, if only you could take your own advice. If you were confident enough in one of your sources, you'd post it. Period. Don't feed the troll, I guess.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 20 2022 21:43 utc | 107

So the idiots at NYT are now calling for U.S. politicians to allow Zelensky to negotiate with Putin. Are they not aware the CIA trained Ukie Nazis have promised Zelensky death for any such attempts? The Grey Lady is dead.

Posted by: CarpB | May 20 2022 21:44 utc | 108

Regardless, the question is whether an intentional genocide - which by definition means proactively planning and carrying out - or whether it was a combination of errors and misjudgments."

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 20 2022 21:42 utc | 110

With respect, that isn't - or at least wasn't - the question. I simply mentioned it as a possible explanation for why the welcome to Russians was less warm than anticipated. Someone else was wondering why that might have been. The story seemingly lives whether or not it is historically accurate. I offered and still offer no opinion about it either way.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 20 2022 21:47 utc | 109

Sputnik on the Holodomor and other anti-USSR propaganda. Stalin was Georgian and the famines were across the USSR, not just Ukraine.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 20 2022 21:47 utc | 110

I previously tried to provide this link to Russia's Security Council Meeting that occurred earlier today. The topic was defending against Cyber Warfare, wherein the best defense lies in ridding Russia of all Western equipment--hard and software--which presents quite a task. Putin discusses two preliminary tasks that can be done with relative ease, he then describes the third task:

The third key task is to radically reduce the risks associated with the use of foreign programs, computers and telecommunications equipment.

I would like to stress once again that the digitalisation processes that are now actively underway in the public administration system and the Russian economy – and we launched them several years ago – should be protected as much as possible today from any potential negative impact from the outside. And the obvious way to implement this task is the transition to domestic equipment, technologies, programs and products.

Let me remind you that in accordance with the decisions taken, from 2025 the use of foreign means of information protection will be banned altogether. Thus, in order to strengthen our technological sovereignty, the Government needs to create a modern Russian electronic component base in the shortest possible time – we have been talking about this for a long time, we are working in the most active way, I hope that the result will be in the near future.

It is necessary to develop and implement our own technological equipment for this, including those necessary for the production of software and hardware complexes. Here it is necessary to make extensive use of the tools and resources of the digital economy national program.

In this regard, I would like to hear your opinion on how to stimulate not only import substitution processes, but also the creation of our own unique products that are ahead of competitors in this important area.

IMO, it's very likely that the world will see two separate internets thanks to the Outlaw US Empire's abuse of the current system since that's the only real way to deny the NSA and its kin the access required for them to commit their crimes.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 20 2022 21:47 utc | 111

Bloke from block8 @ 41

Now that he has spent some time in the dungeon and starved off some weight he has the face of a laborer. In older videos he is a swaggering entitled upper class bully boy. Granted his videos used to have high production values.

Posted by: Oldhippie | May 20 2022 21:47 utc | 112

Posted by: Johnny Dollar | May 20 2022 20:01 utc | 59

Totally wrong. The US citizenry wants nothing to do with this crap. Despite non-stop propaganda.

Posted by: Tom in AZ | May 20 2022 21:48 utc | 113

Posted by: Scorpion | May 20 2022 21:47 utc | 113

Fair enough. I just think that bevin took exception to the fact that so many people have accepted as true this revisionist history and propaganda. And note that two of the links you provided are Canadian sites. Canada has a long history of laundering and hiding Nazis and of pushing anti-Soviet propaganda.

However, yes, you could be right and many people in Ukraine might wrongfully resent Russia (pre-invasion) due to this revisionist history.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 20 2022 21:49 utc | 114

To: The Troll

For a more accurate description of Obama and his background, I direct you here. Be careful though. I embedded some malware in the link and is a well known source of trojans and viruses...not.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 20 2022 21:51 utc | 115

Milos | May 20 2022 21:26 utc | 98

Glazyev: "Yes, we do want that $300 billion back, but here's the thing: it has to be in gold bullion or roubles, not your toilet paper. You'll be needing all of that anyway."

Posted by: Doug Hillman | May 20 2022 21:52 utc | 116

I read many years ago that China and Russia were developing a quantum-computer based internet at first to be used for military purposes only but later to be the backbone for widespread use in their sphere. Seemingly they were not yet able to do so unless the military part is already in use.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 20 2022 21:54 utc | 117

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 20 2022 21:47 utc | 114

Sputnik on the Holodomor and other anti-USSR propaganda. Stalin was Georgian and the famines were across the USSR, not just Ukraine.

And the hardest hit region was actually Kazakhstan.

Posted by: hopehely | May 20 2022 21:56 utc | 118

Nico | May 20 2022 21:32 utc | 102

The offensive in the east will not stop until Donetsk ad Luhask are cleared to their borders. I think once that point is reached offensive operations will cease for some time, perhaps permanently.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 20 2022 21:58 utc | 119

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 20 2022 21:51 utc | 120

Posted by: sln2002 | May 20 2022 22:01 utc | 120

Noticeable only by its absence...

In the last 2 weeks only a few mentions of the Tochka-U missile being use by AFU. In fact none at all in the last 4-5 days.

I saw estimates of AFU having 800 at the start. I don't know if that is launchers or total missiles. Either way, they seem to have been eliminated either through destroying the launchers or shooting down the missiles. Unfortunately, several hundred were used as terror weapons.

Success can have many different aspects.

Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 20 2022 22:02 utc | 121

Below is a link to an interview with Laurent Brayard who details the horrors many experienced following the Odessa tragedy in Ukraine. The interview was released on the 18th of May and has English subtitles. Brayard brings to life in vivid detail, which he thoroughly documented while living in the Donestk region for a year+, of the brutality of these so called nationalists or as many refer to as the Azovs. His interview syncs up with a UKR Leaks eng on Telegram who has done a two-part series on the beginnings of Azov if folks are interested in learning how this monstrosity was unleashed on the Donetsk and Luhansk regions.

👉🏻 Stratpol recently interviewed Laurent Brayard, a French journalist and pro-Donbass activist who has been collecting testimonies of Ukraine's prison survivors: militiamen, spies or innocent passerby, the stories he collected shed a new light on the historical roots of the ongoing conflict, and the methods used by Ukrainians since 2014 - "

For any Americans reading this I highly recommend you watch both vids. The story is eerily similar to what we witnessed here in America during the BLM riots and then Antifa's nightly Portland riots.

As for the comment above that American's support this war due to the UniParty's representation of 'We the People,' all I can say is watch the 2000 Mules documentary. American's haven't seen a clean election since Dubya's hanging chad ruse in 2000. The word 'infiltration' is becoming quite fashionable in many parts of our land.

Posted by: Helen | May 20 2022 22:03 utc | 122

Fair enough. I just think that bevin took exception to the fact that so many people have accepted as true this revisionist history and propaganda.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 20 2022 21:49 utc | 119

Muy buen. But cannot help but add that revisionist history is the same as official history: some of it is more or less accurate and some of it is BS serving special interest purposes. It was revisionist history that helped me begin to see through the Empire of Lies, specifically Stinnett's Day of Deceit which I found on a revisionist history site.

When I was 16 and studying for History A-levels in England I had access to one of the largest private libraries in Europe at my school wherein were many books from the 14th century onwards including a large section from the British Empire period. I found the Irish Famine section fascinating because had never heard about it and didn't come up much in my Cambridge History of England whose volumes were our main official texts. I became an afficionado of what I pompously called 'real history' and started looking down my nose at the official stuff.

I got a good mark in the A-level but have never trusted official history since - nor do I trust the News.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 20 2022 22:05 utc | 123

Cnote | May 20 2022 20:44 utc | 76

That’s not exactly what he said. His position is more nuanced. He spoke of strategic depth, thorough training in secure location outside of Ukrainian borders, seemingly unlimited amounts of very modern and heavy equipment provided from the West; he suggested that with the billions bandied about there could be financial motivation for some people to join the effort. He claimed that the way things were going (at least up to a few days ago) there was a very real danger that Russia could be bogged down and fail to achieve all its objectives. It is possible that due to his warning we are seeing a far greater mobilization and upgrade of equipment. It has been all over the news today.
I cannot understand why anybody should think Ritter ‘flipped’, as some have suggested. To repeat what others have said here, he contributed to a discussion with comments that should be taken in context—among otheres, in the specific context of his previous statements. To my mind it is unthinkable that a carefully planted ‘sting operation’ (if I am using that term correctly) that led to denials in both Russia and China and effectively prohibited (‘intedicted’ to use Ritter’s word) Russia’s temporary use of Chinese drones till its own are perfected. Two or three different types at different heights could have performed wonders and saved Russian lives. Possibly, Ukrainian lives as well, if Russian control of the airspace was daunting enough. Such applications require the ability to integrate information from diverse platforms to a single reference space. I have seen Chinese applications that employ such code.
It is that balance that SR brings into the discussion, and it is one that is very hard to get right, if only for the reason that it remains elusive and essentially unpredictable; but he’d assumed all along that Russia would use all the equipment it’s announced in recent years to retain full control of the airspace and take full advantage of that position. The hundreds of the MANPADS in the country made that impossible under the initial operational design.
One gets the feeling that any such discussion is perceived as criticism of Russian leadership or strategy. I am sure that ostensible cheerleaders are lurking for the chance to push discussions that way. Any well-meaning observer of the last twenty three years of the country will acknowledge that Russian resurgence under Putin is nothing short of a miracle. Russia has stood alone on the right side of so many issues that for minds of a moralist bend make him extremely dear, and Russia their spiritual homeland.

Posted by: @vec | May 20 2022 22:06 utc | 124

Posted by: Vintage Red | May 20 2022 21:24 utc | 97

There has already been a bit of discussion about how Operation Z today compares and does not compare with the Indochina War 50 years ago. All this noted, been having a sense today that the Popasnaya "flower" is feeling a lot like the breakout at Pleiku in March 1975.

We'll see if this collapses the Kiev regime as fast...

Another good comparison is the Falaise pocket in Normandy in August 1944. The Germans tried to hold on to the westernmost tip of their salient. No effort was wasted to keep one supply line open. But when the end comes, everything collapses at once. In Falaise 50,000 Germans were taken prisoner and another 10,000 killed.

Kiev and Berlin follow a similar strategy. A false belief in an eventual victory leads to catastrophic results.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 20 2022 22:06 utc | 125

#--Posted b: yJezabeel | May 20 2022 20:00 utc | 57

Elensky supposedly urged the Azovs to stay put until Ukraine had won the Euro-vision contest.

Posted by: Anne B | May 20 2022 22:06 utc | 126

As requested. The Bioweapon lab report is posted in full at the Ukraine open thread.

Scorpion @122--

What exists is a closed internet for the strategic weapons forces that I believe China also employs. China has the lead in quantum computing with Russia on its coattails. Two years ago, China performed a QC experiment using satellites where it was able to close the communication space over the entire nation for an undisclosed timespan. I can see QC being used for targeting salvos of incoming nukes by Russian and Chinese AD systems. And when particle beam weapons get deployed, they'll likely use QC too. Recall Russia's announcement last year of new weaponry utilizing newly discovered physical processes, but unlike 2018 none were shown.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 20 2022 22:09 utc | 127

Scorpion | May 20 2022 21:54 utc | 122

China has had quantum communication through fiber optic cable for some years now. A about year ago, China successfully tested quantum communication via satellite.
Quantum computing wont be too far away judging by advances that have been made.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 20 2022 22:09 utc | 128

Michael Hudson responding to a question about Western unity:
"Western unity is a one way unity. Western unity is the United States telling other countries, “Do what we tell you to.” If other countries don’t do what America tells it to, they’re treated like the enemy. Like Hungary has been treated as an enemy. There’s talk of how to punish Hungary. The Americans have no idea how to offer something to attract other countries to it. All the United States can do is, “We can bomb you if you don’t do what we say. We have nothing positive to offer you. We have no trade options to offer you. We have no investment to offer you that will not siphon off your income. All we can do is bomb you and threaten you and sanction you and try to hurt you.” That’s the only way the United States and now Europe can relate to the rest of the world. That’s a poisoned relating. It’s a way guaranteed to drive the rest of the world away."

As I mentioned in one previous thread, another option is to buy the corrupt local elites and place them in leadership positions to do what the West tells them to do. The strategy was quite successful in South and Central America for a long time but not so much lately. Much much more successful in Europe. It's going to be interesting to watch what happens to other second and third world countries.

Posted by: Pagan | May 20 2022 22:10 utc | 129

Posted by: Scorpion | May 20 2022 22:05 utc | 128

Good points; all history is someone else's revisionist history. And most of the time the 'official' version serves the interests of whomever is writing and teaching.

I pledge allegiance to the flag...

This was a fun and enlightening watch, even in my 40s when it came out.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 20 2022 22:13 utc | 130

Posted by: sln2002 | May 20 2022 20:59 utc | 85

America isn’t a democracy, it’s a limited liability corporation. We the shareholders hold no responsibility, even when we vote for whichever asshole is doing whatever fuckery they do.

Posted by: Lex | May 20 2022 22:20 utc | 131

Posted by: Scorpion | May 20 2022 21:54 utc | 122

ICYMIU, A quantum key distribution network: "An attempt to capture a key will instantly make both keys essentially invalid."
2016: How does China's quantum satellite work?
2018: Quantum messaging links China and Austria
2021: China Created World's Largest Quantum Communication Network

Using trusted relays, the ground-based fiber network and the satellite-to-ground links were integrated to serve more than 150 industrial users across China, including state and local banks, municipal power grids, and e-government websites. This work shows that quantum communication technology can be used for future large-scale practical applications. Similarly, a global quantum communication network can be established if national quantum networks from different countries are combined, and if universities, institutions and companies come together to standardize related protocols, hardware.

ahem, "official denial"

Posted by: sln2002 | May 20 2022 22:20 utc | 132

Hey karlof1 - under whose remarks did you find the bioweapons update you posted on the open thread? The link you provided goes to the Russian speaking home page and when I click on EN I did not see anything about an update. Maybe you could lend a hand -

Posted by: Helen | May 20 2022 22:22 utc | 133

Posted by: Lex | May 20 2022 22:20 utc | 136


Posted by: sln2002 | May 20 2022 22:23 utc | 134

@vec | May 20 2022 22:06 utc | 129

Small drone use and also detection and destruction of enemy small drones is one area Ru MoD had not put enough emphasis on prior to this operation. I think part of the reason Russian sustained serious casualties during the first phase.
From what I have read, Russia began to address this issue in the first week or two of the operation. Recently I see small drone deliveries to the front lie plus man portable detection and jamming equipment.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 20 2022 22:23 utc | 135

Mr. Putin will go down in history as a butcher? Now that is a blasphemous statement as he is cleaning out the nazis. Besides the winner writes the history.

Posted by: Deplorable Cro magno | May 20 2022 22:26 utc | 136

@bevin | May 20 2022 20:49 utc | 78
While in full agreement that the so called "Holodomor"

was refined by the vast anti-communist cold war industry maintained by NATO and its anglophone members. It has been refuted one many grounds on many occasions.
it was indeed "Nazi propaganda myth from day one", but in weird ways. Nazi "Bevölkerungswissenschaftler" (demography scientists) in the Königsberg University Institute of Demography, Hans Silberstein and Theodor Oberländer (later head of the SS batallion Nachtigall formed out of OUN killers, after the war "Bundesvertriebenenminister" [secretary for the displaced Germans] in the Adenauer regime in West Germany), cheered the famine as intentional and sensible reduction of agrarian excess population. (Reference: Götz Aly, Susanne Heim, Vordenker der Vernichtung. Auschwitz und die deutschen Pläne für eine neue europäische Ordnung, ISBN: 9783596195107). It demonstrates that the Nazis saw their Banderites just as cattle like the other slavic Untermenschen.

Btw. Golodomor, (G as H at the Hohols) means great hunger. Has nothing to do with Holocaust though the propagandists intend it.

Posted by: aquadraht | May 20 2022 22:29 utc | 137

#64 scorpion

HE WAS TAKEN OUT OF ASSOVSTAL PLANT BY ARMOURED CAR HE AND HIS COLLEAGUES WERE WORKING FOR THE RUSSIANS.Those people down there were taken hostage to ensure that ukraine did not attack the plant.Brilliant Russian counter op

Posted by: mcohen | May 20 2022 22:33 utc | 138

The NYT does not do news or analysis. The article is a shift in propaganda, a preparation for the Afghanistan-like abandonment of Ukraine.

Meanwhile, the next distraction is being prepared. Monkey pox anyone?

As far as the US is concerned, the SMO has brought Germany to heel, reinvigorated in the Western eye the moribund NATO, and eliminated an important economy competitor in the EU. Not a total loss for the global elites who rule in hiding.

Posted by: Moses22 | May 20 2022 22:36 utc | 139

@Peter AU1 | May 20 2022 22:23 utc | 140
I agree. It needed Russian and Crimean communists like Boris Rozhin and the NGO Veche to provide the DNR and LNR with enough small quadrocopters for their combat missions. Btw. my impression was that it was by the pressure of the patriotic left that, after more than 3 weeks of the SVO, trophy equipment was given to the LDNR peoples militias.

The Russian units had UAV already but also learnt about their utility in combat, and refined and extended their use. As Boris Rozhin wrote, a UAV turns an artillery gun into a big sniper rifle.

Posted by: aquadraht | May 20 2022 22:39 utc | 140

The quickest way to end this war is for the US to send that $40B to Russia.

Posted by: FewThereBe | May 20 2022 22:39 utc | 141

IMO, it's very likely that the world will see two separate internets thanks to the Outlaw US Empire's abuse of the current system since that's the only real way to deny the NSA and its kin the access required for them to commit their crimes.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 20 2022 21:47 utc | 115

Just like the world will soon see two separate systems of finance due to the abuse of said Evil Empire (Reagan was just projecting). They really did think they were invincible - the Gods of Olympus - and could dispense reward and punishment as they saw fit. The World's Dominatrix is being strapped down.

Posted by: Activist Potato | May 20 2022 22:44 utc | 142

As far as the US is concerned, the SMO has brought Germany to heel, reinvigorated in the Western eye the moribund NATO, and eliminated an important economy competitor in the EU. Not a total loss for the global elites who rule in hiding.

Posted by: Moses22 | May 20 2022 22:36 utc | 144

The Western elites certainly consolidated their rule over the anglo world and their satrapies, but is that enough, if there is a palpable danger of losing the rest of the world?

Posted by: Pagan | May 20 2022 22:46 utc | 143

Just a confession (LOL): When VVP ordered to halt storming Azovstal, I was anything but convinced about the wisdom of that decision. At least I was aware that I could not know better as a sofa warrior and armchair strategist. Now my doubts impressively have proven wrong. I hope it will go on that way.

Posted by: aquadraht | May 20 2022 22:48 utc | 144

Waiting with bated breath on what Russia finds in the Azovstal underground complex regarding Ukraine's (actually US/ZATO's) bioweapons shenanigans.

Don't know if anyone follows slightly-over-the-top conspiracy-minded George Webb, but he had a most curious set of articles about the Azov Nazis and Kolomoisky being involved in spreading COVID in Wuhan during those weird NATO games. Link here, others at bottom of that article: Azovstal - Black Hole Of Corona?. He also mentions that ZATO LANDCOM Gen. Cloutier (what ever happened to him?) was connected with biowarfare agents originally taken from Iraq, then transferred to Libya, to Syria and then to Ukraine - presumably to Cloutier's last known lair under Azovstal.

OK, maybe a bit far fetched for most. But around the time George published the above article, Whitney Webb (unrelated) published a great Mint Press article that (for me, anyways) explained the odd initial response to the pandemic by Trump and the U.S. government: US INTEL AGENCIES PLAYED UNSETTLING ROLE IN CLASSIFIED AND “9/11-LIKE” CORONAVIRUS RESPONSE PLAN. Makes me wonder about a connection between U.S. intelligence agencies, NATO and Kolomoisky/Azov bio-bagmen involved in COVID. Regardless of that conspiracy theory, there's still the problem of Cloutier/NATO/Iraq bioweapon samples.

The Russians have to be pretty interested in digging around under Azovstal to find out *if* there was some kind of undeclared bioweapons lab under there, and (more important) what the hell were they doing. The Russians have been pretty reluctant to spill the beans on embarrassing US/ZATO gaffes in the past. They're usually handled quietly through whatever diplomatic back channels exist. I'm not confident they'll even reveal what NATO (or French or Canadian) officers they managed to starve out of the tunnels, but they certainly can't stay silent about undeclared bioweapons labs, can they? I suppose the NATO guys could have scrubbed the place down during the last two months and destroyed the evidence. Maybe there's nothing to find.

Monkeypox side note: the U.S. contracted with Bavarian Nordic a few years ago to produce smallpox vaccine in bulk and store it. The recent news item about the U.S. requesting 13 million doses from that stock means Bavarian Nordic (Denmark) has to freeze-dry the bulk vaccine and package it for use. Delivery isn't until 2023, so we're probably good for now. The bigger question is: why did the U.S. pay Bavarian Nordic a million bucks a year for the last three or four years to have a ton of smallpox vaccine (250 million doses worth) made and stored?

Posted by: PavewayIV | May 20 2022 22:49 utc | 145

Posted by: Nico | May 20 2022 21:28 utc | 99

Getting tired of reposting. Haven't found my favorite short clip, only in long-form ( early in. And don't try to hide behind Putin's age and the timing of the "Young Global leaders Academy." There are so many examples of the long relationship of Putin with Klaus Schwab going back decades, and do your own research

Posted by: cobo | May 20 2022 22:51 utc | 146

Peter AU1 | May 20 2022 22:23 utc | 140

Yes, Peter, they are very useful and point to a direction that is not without its terrors. I was thinking more of an integrated layered approach different types, capabilities and heights. I checked and the free fall time for a stream-lined object from 12 km--less than 52 seconds. The ceiling for a high altitude Chinese drone is above that. This makes it impossible for a cannon to fire and hide 100 meters away. However, it is terrifying that one could wage war without fear for one's own life. Very 'exceptional'! What would you do in Putin's shoes? I think if I were a Russian soldier, I would like to retain quite some of the shared human fate--in fact, I would like to avoid it altogether, I am THAT common.

Posted by: @vec | May 20 2022 22:52 utc | 147

Posted by: karlof1 | May 20 2022 21:33 utc | 104

It's real, baby - are you

Posted by: cobo | May 20 2022 22:53 utc | 148

who is the real “butcher” here, nyt?

you are complicit, nyt.

Posted by: polarbear4 | May 20 2022 23:00 utc | 149

. IMO the goal is a severe depression in the US and worldwide if they can get it. It would allow them to set up a mandatory social credit plan requiring registration for access to anything and everything....

If not I believe they will declare war on someone, Russia possibly or China, immediately declaring Marshall Law, we have a war on damn it. Remember this is a coup, they will stop at nothing to remain in power and their Masters want the US gone, and gone for good.

Sorry to be so dark on a Friday, I hope to be utterly wrong.
Posted by: Bonami | May 20 2022 18:35 utc | 30

Yup, that's what I see. For both sides the kinetics in Ukraine are a means to an end which, strangely enough, both dedire: Depression USA.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 20 2022 23:01 utc | 150

Posted by: Rob | May 20 2022 21:05 utc | 88

BTW, there was in fact a video interview which was selectively edited and run on a bunch of Trump-supporters' YouTube channels which purported to show Obama telling illegals to vote. When you watch the entire segment and read the transcript, it's 110% obvious that he was NOT saying what they claimed.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 20 2022 23:11 utc | 151

The quickest way to end this war is for the US to send that $40B to Russia.

Posted by: FewThereBe | May 20 2022 22:39 utc | 146

That $40B IS going to Russia.

The US just doesn't know it yet.

Posted by: Michigan Dude | May 20 2022 23:11 utc | 152

I thought that we all understood-what is being confirmed daily in interviews with survivors- that the reason why there was not a mass uprising in New Russia to greet the Russian liberators was that the region, with the solitary exceptions of the two Peoples republics, was under Nazi occupation.

Just as in 1933 most of the population of Germany opposed Hitler but was bludgeoned, beaten and disappeared into acquiescence by the SA and the Police Forces (in Prussia particularly). So in Eastern Ukraine since 2014 the population has been cowed into silence: opposition politicians have been killed or driven into exile. Others have been burned-in Odessa, for example.

And others, very recently in Bucha, have been executed and tortured for cooperating with Russia. There are videos of the torture and killing of pro Russian figures currently on the internet.

The point is that even supposing that there were any truth in the lie of The Holodomor- and there isn't much- its effect on the eastern Ukrainian Russian speaking 80% anti Maidan population is unlikely to be anything near as effective, in dampening enthusiasm for Russia (no longer Communist incidentally), as a reign of terror. Which is what has evidently been the situation in Ukraine since at least 2014. A rein of terror refined and enforced by experts from the world's leading torture and killing machine the CIA. And its eager Canadian students.

Posted by: bevin | May 20 2022 23:16 utc | 153

Posted by: mcohen | May 20 2022 22:33 utc | 143

Pray tell more! Links?

Posted by: Scorpion | May 20 2022 23:25 utc | 154

Helen @138--

Thanks for your query. The link you provided goes to the MFA's English language page. The bioweapon labs report is on the Russian language page that I linked to at the translation I posted to the open thread. Most Russian government websites have Russian and other language pages. The MFA page displays them in the upper right corner. The Russian pages always provide more info, which is logical. Some browsers have built-in machine translators when a foreign language is detected; otherwise, they can be activated by right clicking your mouse to bring up that menu. I use Microsoft Edge because it's one of my default browsers. The Russian page is organized differently from the English. To get to all the events/news, you must scroll down a bit to find the listing on the left side, whereas with the English page it's at center-top. I wrote a preface to the report and published it at my VK Space here. Happy Surfing!!

Posted by: karlof1 | May 20 2022 23:30 utc | 155


Posted by: Scorpion | May 20 2022 21:29 utc | 101

So there's a Holodomor Museum in Kyiv, Ukraine...

Holodomor is not a fact or "living story", it is a hoax. The real event is the Soviet famine of 1932. The Holodomor is a retelling of the famine using a Holocaust narrative, with Stalin playing the role of Hitler.

I spent several years on the English language Wikipedia arguing with Holodomor believers. I found out they are religious cult totally indifferent to facts and with no basis in reality. There is no need to discuss what part of the Holodomor is myth and what is true. ALL of it is a lie, a hoax.

I will repost what I wrote on my blog eight years ago in March 2014:

Ukraine explained: The Holodomor Hoax

I will post two links that explain everything there is a to know about "Ukraine" and Ukrainian nationalism.

The first, a Western article from 2010 quite correctly equates "Ukraine" with the Holodomor. For Ukraine the Holodomor is like the Holocaust for Jews. Without the Holocaust the state of Israel would cease to exist. The same goes for Ukraine, without the Holodomor there is no independent Ukraine.

Deleting the Holodomor: Ukraine Unmakes Itself – Alexander J. Motyl, 2010

The first thing Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich did after his February 25 inauguration was delete the link to the Holodomor on the president’s official Web site. Yanukovich’s predecessor, Viktor Yushchenko, had made the Holodomor—the famine of 1932–33 produced by Joseph Stalin and responsible for the deaths of millions of Ukrainian peasants—into a national issue, promoting what Czech novelist Milan Kundera famously called “the struggle of memory over forgetting” as part of his attempt to move the country toward democracy. That Yanukovich turned his back so dramatically on this movement to rehabilitate Ukraine’s tragic past indicated the extent to which the recent election was as much about identity as it was about politics.

This was no accident. Thanks to the 2004 Orange Revolution, Ukrainian national identity has become synonymous with democracy and the West. And thanks to Vladimir Putin’s construction of a newly assertive Russian state, Russian identity has unfortunately become associated, as in Soviet times, with authoritarianism and empire. Yanukovich’s Party of Regions has its electoral base in Ukraine’s southeastern rust belt, the Donbas; the region produced, and is still proud of, both Communist Party leader Leonid Brezhnev and Stalin’s favorite proletarian, the coal miner extraordinaire Aleksei Stakhanov. It names its streets after Stalinists, displays statues of the Soviet dictator, and retains its Soviet-era identity as a Russian-speaking enclave with an authoritarian political culture. When president-elect Yanukovich decided to turn back the clock on Yushchenko’s Ukraine and reestablish its role as a client of Moscow, it was natural that he should begin by shutting down discussion of what historian Robert Conquest called Stalin’s “terror famine.”

The second is a Canadian book from 1987 that exposes the Holodomor myth as a hoax.

Fraud, Famine, and Fascism - The Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard – Douglas Tottle, 1987

This book documents how and why fraudulent stories about the Ukrainian famine of the 1930s made the presses worldwide and have become accepted as fact by almost everyone, despite the fact that they are provably false. The stories of millions of deaths caused by famine in Ukraine in 1933 and 1934, supposedly caused by the effects of the Soviet system, were fabricated by Nazi propagandists in their propaganda campaigns against Bolshevism. The spread of these stories to America took route through the presses of William Randolph Hearst, who has also since been proven, as I have documented on this website, to have been working in collaboration with the Nazis and publishing Nazi propaganda in mainstream American publications throughout the later half of the 1930s and into the 1940s.

These fabrications, which are well documented in this book, have become almost completely accepted as facts by Americans, and these fabrications have been repeatedly used, and are still used, by politicians despite the fact that they are provably false and were provably produced by a Nazi conspirator. The fact that William Randolph Hearst was conspiring with the Nazis during the 1930s is proven outside of this book, and is a part of official American government record, yet his fabricated publications about the Ukrainian famine are still referenced as fact today.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 20 2022 23:33 utc | 156

The point is that even supposing that there were any truth in the lie of The Holodomor- and there isn't much- its effect on the eastern Ukrainian Russian speaking 80% anti Maidan population is unlikely to be anything near as effective, in dampening enthusiasm

Posted by: bevin | May 20 2022 23:16 utc | 158

Agreed. Point well argued!

Posted by: Scorpion | May 20 2022 23:34 utc | 157

“As far as the US is concerned, the SMO has brought Germany to heel, reinvigorated in the Western eye the moribund NATO, and eliminated an important economy competitor in the EU. Not a total loss for the global elites who rule in hiding.”

As for the UK, its role was always the spoiler in the European Union, to make sure continental Europe did not become stronger than the Anglo-American. With Brexit, the UK has become more vocal and bold, while France and Germany emasculated.

Posted by: Moses22 | May 20 2022 23:36 utc | 158

Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 20 2022 23:33 utc | 162

Some of my links are broken. Here are the correct ones:

Ukraine explained: The Holodomor Hoax

The World Affairs journal is no longer online, but here is a link to an archived copy.

Deleting the Holodomor: Ukraine Unmakes Itself – Alexander J. Motyl, 2010

Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 20 2022 23:39 utc | 159

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 20 2022 23:32 utc | 161

Good God. You probably saw it on OANN or possibly Fox and it was the edited version, not the entirety of the exchange. Since you're not going to stop and this has gotten tiresome, here's the full transcript of that portion of the interview.

RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens — and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country — are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?

OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

RODRIGUEZ: This has been a huge fear presented especially during this election.

OBAMA: And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don’t want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you’re not just speaking for yourself. You’re speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school…

RODRIGUEZ: Your entire community.

OBAMA: … who may not have a voice. Who can’t legally vote. But they’re counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.

Which clearly shows that he was telling this millennial Hispanic girl and her audience that IF they had undocumented (illegal) immigrants in their family, they should be more motivated to vote in order to ensure that the family members who *can't* vote at least have some of their (alleged) interests represented at the ballot box.

I love the binary thinking of people like you, and the projection is telling. Because I want to have the actual facts on the record makes *me* a "Democrat operative"? Come on. As I have said numerous times, there's plenty of real stuff to criticize Obama for, but this most definitely isn't one of them and he wasn't telling illegals to vote, FFS. You didn't even have the courage of your convictions to post a single link to a video, and LOL at your alleged IT security background telling you that you shouldn't click on ANY links EVER haha!

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 20 2022 23:45 utc | 160

karlof1 #7

Do see the Must Read bioweapon report I posted on the previous thread.

I did, and regarding nurse Ratched or Big Nurse -

where is Linda Oporto?

Last heard of in Kharkiv toying with immobile patients in a psychiatric hospital. Perhaps her name and a few others form part of the discussions between the US pentagon bioweapon war criminals and the Russian military leadership.

btw a colleague just informed that the Rouble just hit 57 to the US dollar! Next week I guess we will see the signs of panic.

Thank you b for an excellent report.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 20 2022 23:45 utc | 161

Posted by: c1ue | May 20 2022 14:51 utc | 421

This is a reponse to a prior post by c1ue.

It bears on the current thread as my belief is that the US may be seeking to halt the conflict not because the UAF forces are endangered but by the fact the fundamentals of the US economy are now in danger.

This risk arises from the sudden increase in US inflation, the consequent rise in US interest rates to tame that inflation, and the concern of American corporate CEO's regarding the US entering recession.


@Sushi #416
Several misconceptions you have:

1) The so-called "Triffin paradox" is literally nothing more than junk economist "US-splaining".

The nature of the Triffin Paradox was recognized by Paul Volker who followed its prescription in the 1980s and raised US interest rates to 20% in an attempt to deal with its effects. Is Paul Volker a "junk economist?" The Triffin Paradox was first mooted by Keynes who suggested a solution at the time of Bretton Woods I but his suggestions were not followed. Is John Maynard Keynes a "junk economist?"

In NBER Historical Paper 84, economist J. Bradford DeLong examines the only period of peace during which the rise of prices exceeded that of periods of war (War price rises of 15% at peak vs the Great Depression which saw inflation of 10%), "But aside from wars and Great Depressions, at other times inflation is almost always less than five and usually two to three percent per year - save for the 1970s."
Our current period reports both inflation at between 8 and 10% and the use of price reporting suppression to obtain an under-reporting of inflation. Is Delong a "junk economist?" (see his cv here: )

In the present attempt to control inflation we witness the FED impose a sudden and drastic tightening (see the ZH article titled "68% Of CEOs Say Fed Policy Is About To Trigger A Recession"). Are US CEOs driven by "junk economics?"

According to the president's Export Council, since 1993, the US has imposed more than 40 economic sanctions on 36 countries. The sanctions are estimated to have cost US exporters US$15 billion to US$19 billion a year in overseas sales, and have damaged their reputation as reliable suppliers.

The US $19 billion a year figure understates the case of allied nation sanctions (i.e. the insane "Lets Cut Our Own Throats to Inconvenience Putin" sanctions imposed by a range of EU states, and economic poodles Canada, Australia, and Japan) causing significant harm to their own national economies. Are the members of the presidents Export Council likely to be "junk economists?"

The governor of the People's Bank of China, Zhou Xiaochuan (note the inclusion of the word "People's" in the name of the institution) in a speech to the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) explicitly found the Triffin Paradox was central to the financial crisis of 2007–2008 and argued for stronger global currency controls. His speech may be found here:

In the section of the above BIS speech titled: The outbreak of the crisis and its spillover to the entire world reflect the inherent vulnerabilities and systemic risks in the existing international monetary system. Zhou states:

The Triffin Dilemma, i.e., the issuing countries of reserve currencies cannot maintain the value of the reserve currencies while providing liquidity to the world, still exists.

Zhou then goes on to detail the problems associated with the Triffin Paradox. Is Zhou Xiaochuan a "junk economist?" Are the members of the BIS likely to be "junk economists?" And in your response please remember that you have described China averaging "over 11% GDP growth for 25 years." I know of no other period in the economic history of the world in which any state, or peoples, achieved that rate of growth over a similar period of time. I think Dr. Hudson helped. Is Dr Hudson a "junk economist?" Are the Chinese economists who helped deliver that never before seen period of human advancement "junk economists?"

What exactly is your definition of a "junk economist?" The Triffin Paradox applies regardless of your school of economic thought be you neoclassical, Keynesian, Marxist, Chicago, Austrian, Neuroeconomics, energy economics, or any other form of structured economic thought.

Do you believe you can spend more than you earn? Do you believe you can service an infinite debt load? Do you believe that any aggregate of individuals in an economic unit such as a "state" can, for an infinite period of time, do what you as an individual cannot do? And if your answer to the last question is "Yes" then how much military muscle do you believe is required and how do you expect to pay for it? If you export chaos, mayhem, and death, who will be left to hold your IOUs?

This is Part 1 of the response.
Part 2 examines your incomplete understanding of inflation.
In Part 3 we explore your ability to forage for food and capture wild game. Given your demonstrated misunderstanding of the world you inhabit you are going to need these skills especially in light of your contempt for organic agriculture.


Posted by: Sushi | May 20 2022 23:59 utc | 162

"Mr. Putin will go down in history as a butcher."

woketard history. US history which no one takes seriously. the chinese "future history" that actually matters will probably be pretty positive.

conservatives may be stuck in the past, but at least they don't always pretend they can see the future. while he's at it why doesn't this dipshit get next week's winning lotto numbers?

Posted by: the pair | May 21 2022 0:01 utc | 163

c1ue was responding to this post:

Due to the Triffin paradox the US is forced to run a trade deficit with the ROW.
At the same time Biden sends billions of USD to Ukraine for a war of choice while Americans face a high rate of inflation likely to exacerbated by the Fed attempt to keep inflation in the low double digits, a policy choice likely to drive the US into severe recession resulting in significant job losses and a decline in tax receipts in all jurisdictions. If the purchasing power of the dollar is inflated away at 8 to 10 % a year (In seven years the value drops to $0) then countries holding US denominated reserves will ask not why America should be allowed to export its inflation - the real question the ROW will begin to ask is why are we supporting an agreement incapable global hegemon totally indifferent to any interests including its own?
Couple this with the growing US fear that China is going to eat America's lunch, dinner, and breakfast, out compete us, set the technical specifications for advanced technologies, and fail to purchase the goods and services that we refuse to sell to them and these policies will greatly increase the US trade deficit, not to mention the fact of China making significant investment that will result in the rapid obsolescence of the US technical portfolio, that taken together all these factors will result in further declines in the USD in trade, plus the liquidation of USD holdings in favour of more stable currencies issued by less morally bankrupt states backing their currencies with unprintable commodities (the Poszar thesis).
This exposition makes no reference to the declining standard of living to be encountered in the US, the general insanity of government policies in all jurisdictions (these negative effects could easily be avoided through increased hiring of black transvestite lesbians but this will never occur due to deplorable white rage and the associated racist burden imposed upon the country by the AZOV symbols we applaud and defend). Also not mentioned is the unending west coast heat wave which will likely burn the Sierras, kill old people, scare off tourists, reduce food output, increase the electrical demand on the antediluvian grid compounded by a reduction in electricity production due low water levels and increased electrical usage as hot citizens crank up the a/c while waiting for their house to be repossessed by the cold hearted bank.
If you had an academic leaning you could call this mess of potage the "cultural contradictions of capitalism" and blame conspiratorial Putin and inscrutable Xi; the other option is to simply apply a practical description such as FUBAR and thank the gods we killed the French UK US sub deal because that would be FUKUS and nobody has the least interest in reality, organic farming, or what happens when the indispensable nation turns disposable.
And if you are upset by the lack of paragraphs in this comment, please understand paragraph breaks are expensive and this body of text serves to answer your query about the future. I do not know when the system finally breaks only that something that cannot go on forever usually doesn't at which point all the above will impact synchronistically (read it through out loud as fast as you are able and you will get a sense of the impact). I'm glad to learn you cook your own food; when you start to hunt for it as well let me know and I can provide a few tips. I'm confident ol' Joe Biden has a plan.

Posted by: Sushi | May 20 2022 5:07 utc | 416

Posted by: Sushi | May 21 2022 0:01 utc | 164

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 20 2022 17:52 utc | 17

Why don't people read over, edit and proof-read their posts before hitting 'post'?

Posted by: Patroklos | May 21 2022 0:03 utc | 165

@ Obamavirus | May 20 2022 21:49 utc | 118

Hint to people with IT security backgrounds, from one of those silly arts-and-humanities types:

If you copy a hyperlink but replace the "@" with "at", and/or a dot or two with "dot", and maybe a virgule or two with "slash", this effectively breaks the hyperlink, and a curious reader can reconstruct it without risk of any naughty embedded scripts.

Posted by: malenkov | May 21 2022 0:04 utc | 166

Lots of moaning about the slow pace of this operation. Maybe that's the point. Make time to create facts on the ground and re-educate the Ukrainians to accept that they fought as best they good but still lost. Will we ever no the full story. Almost certainly not.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 21 2022 0:11 utc | 167

Dropped the citation for the Delong paper:


Posted by: Sushi | May 21 2022 0:11 utc | 168

Hi uncle tungsten @167--

Your note reminded me to post this item: "US stocks suffer longest losing streak since the Great Depression: The latest decline leaves the Standard & Poor’s 500 down 20% from its peak, and the Dow has dropped another 600 points."

It's now a Shorts game. I wrote the ruble:dollar ratio could easily go to 1:25 by end of July. Today I filled up our car at $5/gal, milk was half that at $2.50.

Long ago, 1974 I think, I saw One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest at an Off Broadway production in San Francisco on a dinner-date and got so enraged at the Nurse Ratchet character I wanted to jump onto the stage a strangle the witch. I didn't of course, but the play and film paved the way for the CIA revelations I read about later detailing essentially the same thing being done to many innocents. The CIA seems to have a shit-load of Hannibal Lecters in its stable of ghouls.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 21 2022 0:11 utc | 169

Posted by: cobo | May 20 2022 22:51 utc | 151

Haven't participated in any of those many "young leaders" programs have ya, cobo??

Meet and greet, back-slapping sessions, the vast majority are just Rolodex expanding efforts, where participants get exposed to peers of similar interests and and ambitions; then create an "in-crowd."
They are not a "Hotel California" situation, if you catch my drift!

Some people are involved just so they "get" who the "players" are and have a sense of what those players are after! After doing MY research, I'm convinced Putin was merely one of those and was following Michael Corleone's advice: "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer!"

Posted by: Qtto | May 21 2022 0:20 utc | 170

RE: links with embedded scripts. Just hover over the link (if on a PC or laptop) and the full URL will show in the lower corner of the screen, depending on browser. I always check links that way before clicking and a couple of times drive-by posters have put 'dirty' links in the URL field of the MoA comment form.

That said, how would I possibly be able to fake or imbed anything in something like, say, this?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 21 2022 0:24 utc | 171

@Obamavirus (94) Nope, I am not going to do an internet search about a ridiculous claim that you made. I want to see the references that you think support the assertion that Obama encouraged “illegals” to vote. For all we know, you regard everyone with brown skin and a Hispanic name as illegal.

Posted by: Rob | May 21 2022 0:25 utc | 172

Tom Collins, "That you seem to be scared to provide even a single link to this assertion - one of many about Obomber that are long debunked* except in fringe nutcase environments - tells us a lot about your (lack of) confidence in this alleged information."

The Obama statement is readily available, e.g.,

Via Quora,

"The interviewer, Gina Rodriguez, who is Puerto Rican and of Puerto Rican parents (and therefore, her family are all citizens), asked Obama, “Many of the millennials, dreamers, undocumented (I call them citizens, because they contribute to this country), are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?”

"Obama: “Not true. And the reason is, first of all, you are a citizen yourself, And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, etc. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential.“

Was Obama encouraging non-citizens to vote? Obama is the master of deniability in his comments.

Posted by: Troilus | May 21 2022 0:28 utc | 173

@vec | May 20 2022 22:52 utc | 152

I see war as an option of last resort. The bio warfare lab at Mariupol which Russia secured in the first days, the nato head quarters there, the massive growth in nationalist extremism since 2014 -the treatment of ethic Russians and others by these extremist groups, public statements on Ukraine tv.. Everything I have seen makes me believe this is a defensive, although preemptive war by Russia. A just war.

Once you have to go to war, when all other avenues have failed, it is a scientific destruction of the enemy rather than a marshal arts bout controlled by a umpire.
There is nothing honorable about not giving your own forces the required resources to survive modern war environment.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 21 2022 0:29 utc | 174

@ Qtto | May 21 2022 0:20 utc | 177

Reminds me of my days in academe. The university president religiously attended the annual meetings of ACTA, the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, an organization that, as you can guess from its name, was dedicated to ferreting out and eliminating "liberalism" at colleges and universities.

Never showed the slightest interest in locally implementing the ACTA agenda, however.

Posted by: malenkov | May 21 2022 0:30 utc | 175

On the Bioweapon labs, Russia's Parliament has an ongoing investigation being run by the Parliamentary Commission on Investigation of US Biological Laboratories in Ukraine. The item provides some info that came from today's hearing testimony by Russian Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) Director Sergey Naryshkin. (I'd love to get that transcript!!) Not much info's provided in the item, but here's one excerpt:

"'I would like to underscore that the dialogue that we had with the SVR chief today, combined with the proof obtained by the commission, fully confirms the US-created network of biological intelligence worldwide and the implementation of active military-biological exploitation of the globe, and Ukraine in particular. This essentially poses a serious global threat,' Yarovaya warned."

Clearly, more info was provided in the OSCE report, although the entire testimony isn't available. There appear to be 3 different investigations happening in Russia and one in Donbass. Western media won't tell its citizens crap about this crime, so it's up to those of us with access to info to spread it globally.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 21 2022 0:31 utc | 176

Tom Q C0llins @ 166;

Thanks for posting. Obama says; "First of all if you vote, you're a citizen."

Not very clear, but confusing many. Left plenty of space for those inclined to accuse him of "telling non-citizens its OK to vote".

That's what happens when some people find any niche to capitalize politically. Obama assumed people would understand that you must be a citizen to vote.

Posted by: vetinLA | May 21 2022 0:32 utc | 177

Posted by: Sushi | May 21 2022 0:01 utc | 171

Hat off and sailing into the receding dustbowl horizon of the late, great Reality TV Republic, the (dis)United States of America!

Posted by: Scorpion | May 21 2022 0:34 utc | 178

Posted by: Scorpion | May 20 2022 17:16 utc | 5

"Thierry is always good" is elegant in its understatement. This passage you quote is hugely impactful. Thierry Meysann is indelibly etched in my consciousness because he was at ground zero on 9/11, but I hadn't realized just what a great mind he was until I read your quote. Thanks for the illumination.

Posted by: Boomhauer | May 21 2022 0:38 utc | 179

Obama was smart enough to not condone a felony on tv but what was his true intent?

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 21 2022 0:00 utc | 169

Good question. Wonder if anyone ever mentioned it? Let's look that up.

Posted by: vetinLA | May 21 2022 0:40 utc | 180

Seems like so far it has been US/UK buying the drinks and so calling the shots - in every detail. Seems to me that Ukraine is starting to chafe a bit at what they are being asked to do - making Ukraine look bad (more so) and the military grows tired of dying. Some form of push-back is coming I think.

Posted by: jared | May 21 2022 0:40 utc | 181

karlof1 | May 21 2022 0:31 utc | 183

Several days ago I ran on to mention of Russia's head of bio nuke and chem defense meeting with ambassadors or reps of approx 95 countries to brief them on what Russia has found. Russia has officially stated it will help countries that are hit by US bio-warfare attack so that meeting may be more along those lines.

Have you run onto any official references to that meeting?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 21 2022 0:51 utc | 182

It is entirely possible that I missed it, but it seems to me that the very obvious question has not been asked:

IF the war is between Ukraine and Russia, why are 2 US Generals asking for a cease fire????????

WHY is Ukraine not the one asking the Russians for a cease fire???????

Posted by: James Cook | May 21 2022 0:53 utc | 183

Obama was smart enough to not condone a felony on tv but what was his true intent?

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 21 2022 0:00 utc | 169

Obama's true intent was the protect and grow the empire, felonies be damned. but he was slicker than Biden.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 21 2022 0:54 utc | 184

Damn! Now we'll never know what they were doing underneath Azovstal...

Lord Of War

🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡Commander of the DPR "Vostok" brigade Alexander Khodakovsky:

"The last enemy groups before leaving, destroy something of value to them using explosives. We hear the sounds of explosions and see flashes and smoke - they don't want 'it' to fall into our hands." #UkraineWar #Russia #Ukraine 1.1K views May 20 at 13:11

Posted by: PavewayIV | May 21 2022 0:57 utc | 185

It is entirely possible that I missed it, but it seems to me that the very obvious question has not been asked:

IF the war is between Ukraine and Russia, why are 2 US Generals asking for a cease fire????????

WHY is Ukraine not the one asking the Russians for a cease fire???????

Posted by: James Cook | May 21 2022 0:53 utc | 190

Same reason all those biolabs in 404 were coproductions with the US Department of Defense and not, say, the US Centers for Disease Control.

Posted by: malenkov | May 21 2022 0:58 utc | 186

@ Posted by: James Cook | May 21 2022 0:53 utc | 190

Excellent point.

Posted by: jared | May 21 2022 1:01 utc | 187

Lets get real - it will get hotter and we will stay cooler well we f* up we should have rebelled earlier you and I FUCKED UP :)

Posted by: Macpott | May 21 2022 1:03 utc | 188

@ 191; Absolutely. Anybody, as POTUS, is expected to toe that line...

Posted by: vetinLA | May 21 2022 1:04 utc | 189

James Cook | May 21 2022 0:53 utc | 190

You obviously missed the fact that from day one this is US vs Russia and perhaps mistook Ukraine canon fodder for a country.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 21 2022 1:07 utc | 190

Posted by: vetinLA | May 21 2022 0:40 utc | 187


Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 21 2022 1:07 utc | 191

That's what happens when some people find any niche to capitalize politically. Obama assumed people would understand that you must be a citizen to vote.

Posted by: vetinLA | May 21 2022 0:32 utc | 184

Thing is, he could have said anything and the same would hold true. There was a cottage industry that sprung up to smear him for all sorts of irrelevant crap when in fact he deserved tons of criticism, such as Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 11/9 did at length. I'm no Obama supporter, but it cannot be denied that Trump saw an 'in' and ran with it; his obsession with undoing everything that had Obama's name on it while in office was also petty - but red meat to his fans (and I say fans on purpose, where most pols have supporters or backers, Trump has fans).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 21 2022 1:10 utc | 192

Karlof1 183

Speaking of biolabs:
Here are links, there are also two UN presentations made by Russia on the labs that I have seen, both very informative, I don't have links for either one but they may be on the Russian UN page.">">">">

Posted by: Bonami | May 21 2022 1:16 utc | 193

TQC @ 199 said;"Thing is, he could have said anything and the same would hold true."

Yep, I'm no fan of O'Bomber either, but when big organized $ comes at you you're screwed.

Posted by: vetinLA | May 21 2022 1:19 utc | 194

this is just a passing observation not related to ukraine, but to the posters posting here... some post a lot and some post a little, but i tend to read all the posts... one quickly discovers who is reading others posts and who isn't.. this informs me of who i am more interested in reading and listening to as well... cheers james

ps - interesting how the azovstal metal plant has reached the end phase today...

Posted by: james | May 21 2022 1:30 utc | 195

Yet, we now have Finland and Sweden joining NATO.
Russia will be tied up for years to come.
The destruction the US has done to so many countries is sickening.

Posted by: Kay | May 21 2022 1:31 utc | 196

Lol you are funny asking for links.just look at the outcome.the Russians are counting on western forum hopefuls to ask for "links"
Stick to golf.

Posted by: mcohen | May 21 2022 1:34 utc | 197

Peter AU1 #124

The offensive in the east will not stop until Donetsk ad Luhask are cleared to their borders. I think once that point is reached offensive operations will cease for some time, perhaps permanently.

I doubt it. Perhaps there will be a brief lull for the Russians while they move south and west to overwhelm Odessa and Nikolayev but the USA and stooges will just keep on screaming and shooting and rearming.

IMO the west is simply never going to cease the aggravation of Russia or China unless/until the western warmongers have been whipped into submission. That could proceed for another year at this pace and I suspect the USA is desperate to goad China to react asap.

The west has proven that it is a kleptomaniac colony of unreasonable scale. Why should Russia bend when these brigands have smeared, stolen and now developed biological weapons to attack the east?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 21 2022 1:37 utc | 198

Question: Is a micro SD Card detectable with a military grade or other metal detector?

I have a 512 GB card.

Asking for a friend....

Posted by: daffyDuct | May 21 2022 1:37 utc | 199

=> Tom_Q_Collins | May 21 2022 0:24 utc | 178

"That said, how would I possibly be able to fake or imbed anything in something like, say, this?


Easy-peasy. Just look at "moonofаlabama" with Firefox Character Identifier Add-on. The first "a" in "alabama" is NOT an English character at all. It is in fact a Cyrillic character!

Posted by: blues | May 21 2022 1:43 utc | 200

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