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May 25, 2022

Ukraine Propaganda - BBC Tries To Sell Telegram Rumors That Make No Sense

Do they really think that the people are dumb enough to believe such shit?

Russian media: retired Russian major general killed in skies over Ukraine


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Which 'Russian media' one might asks:

A [Russian] fighter has been shot down in the skies over Ukraine, and Kanamat Botashev, a retired Major General of the Russian Air Force, was killed.

Source: Russian edition of BBC with reference to Botashov's three former subordinates

Details: Subordinates who had kept in touch with Botashev after leaving the service agreed to comment on condition of anonymity for reasons of personal safety.

Oh, the 'Russian media' is in fact the Russian language site of the BBC World Service which is financed and directed by the British government's Foreign Office. The same BBC World Service which since March has suspended its operation in Moscow and which had its its website blocked in Russia.

That BBC World Service will surely have reliable sources for making such nonsense claims:

One of Botashev's former colleagues confirmed that a retired general was carrying out missions in a Su-25 aircraft in Ukraine.

In one of the Russian Telegram channels, this participant reported on Botashev's death ...

'Russian Telegram channels' are anonymous and also widely used by Ukrainians. They are often unreliable.

The picture above is somewhat curious too. Its resolution is too low to read the name patch of the pictured officer who does totally not look like 63 year old retired man.

The plane the Ukrainians allegedly shot down was a Su-25 ground attack aircraft. Why then is the 'retired Major-General Botashev', should he actually exist, pictured in front of an Su-34, a supersonic fighter-bomber. According to Tineye the photo was first published on May 23 by a news site in Tbilisi, Georgia. There is no metadata in the picture and I am unable to find any caption for it.

The whole story makes absolutely no sense:

It is unclear how the 63-year-old retired general found himself at the controls of the Su-25 in Ukraine.
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Botashev commanded a regiment of the Guards Air Base in Voronezh. His military career came to an end in June 2012, when he was accused of crashing a Su-27 fighter near Petrozavodsk. The general asked his friend-colonel to let him fly a Su-27, a flight permit he did not have.

So the dude was kicked out of the military? He hasn't flown military planes for 10 years? Somehow he steals an Su-25, which he probably did not know how to fly, and gets shot down over Ukraine? Yeah, that makes totally sense ...

What will the BBC World Service editors try to sell us next? Bridges?

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Oak Ridge. Oops. And, from what I read, liquid salt reactors can't melt down because the fuel is liquified salt which solidifies if there is a loss of power to the generator - ala Fukishima.
Thorium is 4 times as abundant as uranium as well.
Perhaps it's all bs, but rather interesting nontheless.

Posted by: lex talionis | May 26 2022 5:58 utc | 201

It really is the only, truly sustainable green energy available. People who oppose it are either brainwashed or propagandists in the employ of the Rockefellers, Kochs, Bushes, Cheneys, and other affiliated monkey scum.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 26 2022 5:47 utc | 197

How calm and rational of you Pacifica.

Thanks but I am none of those and yet very reticent.

I'm going to read the links provided by the more thoughtful responses.

my issue is not regarding the sustainability (narrowest definition) but rather the waste disposal and associated risks. Also in Australia we don't need it but people still push it. Countries with water shortages (when its not flooding its drought here) do not need nuclear untll the tech doesn't need water for processing or for safety.

Also until our world calms down they can also be sabotaged.

All the issues need to be addressed and not being in the employ of any of those nefarious globalists, I am quite open minded to that happening.

Posted by: K | May 26 2022 5:59 utc | 202

pretzelattack@193

Former PM Khan was making conciliatory statements about India shortly before he was ousted. He's continued on this path recently on India being a "free or independent" country in that it buys cheap Russian oil.

e.g. This brief Indian newspaper report last week

Posted by: Dim sim | May 26 2022 6:00 utc | 203

@ k 187 - Also regarding nuclear energy. I am reading Superfuel by Richard Martin about thorium fueled liquid salt reactors. As a lifelong anti-nuclear individual, it is changing my mind.
Posted by: lex talionis | May 26 2022 5:40 utc | 196

Thanks Lex,
i now have a lot of reading to do.

Posted by: K | May 26 2022 6:01 utc | 204

This thread is about some Russian general and then comments always deviates to other things like Malaysia is racial or China, but never addressing the most racist country in the world.

That is America and by far, but even so: what has ever given you the right to criticize everyone? Does that somehow help to alleviate your cruelty?

All countries have internal problems, with racist, cultural and tribal instincts, but which of them have unleashed it on this world? And who uses that for their nefarious gain?
To look at America you see chaos and madness and a completely ignorant society, fed with hollowood and America got talent, whatever.

Don't you understand that most people in the world see you for what you are?
P.S. Russell Bentley, a Texan living in the Donbass since 2014, after he saw a woman with both legs shot off, and just asked for a phone to call family. She died looking up into the camera.
I remember all the horrors that America has unleashed on this planet earth and I know all the names of the terrorist organizations that they fund, along with their cohorts.

I sit here for decades looking at the evil and the absolute nonsensecal reasons for justifying their greed and avarice.

Posted by: Karl luck | May 26 2022 6:06 utc | 205

@K, in re: nuclear energy

With all due respect, you have been lied to by those "monkey scum propagandists" I mentioned above. We all have been. I am sure there are things I misunderstand because I have been purposefully misled, but of course I--just the same as you, ir anyone else out there--have no idea which subject that might be.

There are, however, the things I know, for certain, and have gone to great lengths to verify. I've talked with high-tech engineers in the nuclear fields and the simple truth is that, with adequate oversight and responsible administration (which obviously neither includes Fukushima nor any Capitalist/oligarch-run system), none of your worries about nuclear energy are all that worrisome. We have foolproof solutions to any conceivable problems nuclear energy might pose us. The technology has advanced far beyond what it first was in the 60s and 70s.

The only reason we aren't using it is because of anti-government and pro-petroleum Oligarch propaganda

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 26 2022 6:41 utc | 206

The only reason we aren't using it is because of anti-government and pro-petroleum Oligarch propaganda

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 26 2022 6:41 utc | 203

I appreciate you taking the time to explain your post a bit more, I'm not a pushover, these days I expect to regularly discover more lies. its more that I've not paid much attention to nuclear for a long time. Only so much a person can take in at one time :)

I do agree that under a socialist system, nuclear would most likely be better managed and thus safer.

Posted by: K | May 26 2022 6:55 utc | 207

Posted by: Rae | May 25 2022 20:53 utc | 93

Thank you so much for the link to the Stone interview, it screwed my night of sleep since I could not let it go after starting to watch it really late. Oliver Stone is admirable, he is one of those characters like jazz musicians that redeem all the evil doings of the USA.

Posted by: Paco | May 26 2022 7:00 utc | 208

"Broken" news at DPAaaaaaassia.

Evidence is mounting that it was the fear of nuclear activity by Ukraine that spooked Russia into taking immediate action, perhaps a little earlier than planned. It would seem that at the Zaporizcha nuclear plant there was/is of 30kg plutonium and 40kg enriched uranium. This I think would be sufficient for 5-6 nuclear bombs. This figure seems to have been confirmed by the IAEC.

Posted by: watcher | May 26 2022 7:01 utc | 209

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 26 2022 6:41 utc | 203

Just as the Climate change issue has been supported over the years by the nuclear industry. Just who is fooling whom?

Use your heads people. Nothing is ever simple or straightforward.

The problems with nuclear power are:
1. general safety over a very long period of time (is people and standards become slack)
2. Meltdown due to accident
3. Waste disposal
4. Natural disasters
5. Nuclear weapons
6. Water pollution
7. Water availability for cooling

Now from the little I know the newer thorium reactors may reduce many but not all of these problems, the hardest of which is safety the very, very long term.

Posted by: watcher | May 26 2022 7:10 utc | 210

Has anyone else heard about this? I know that Novinite is run out of the basement of the US embassy in Sofia so I doubt that 180 Russian troops got blown up. However I would like to know if this particular news has surfaced from any respectable source. https://www.novinite.com/articles/215241/Day+91+of+the+Invasion+of+Ukraine%3A+Separatists+took+over+Settlements+in+Donetsk%2C+Kyiv+blew+up+Warehouse+with+180+Russians+inside

Posted by: Greigori | May 26 2022 7:25 utc | 211

@AmigoS 58

It's possible the Russians need as many pilots as they can get due to the intensity of the sorties schedule and pulled up retired pilots too. You'd be surprised how old a man can successfully run missions like that. But surely if they were doing that there would be other evidence of it. Has there been any talk of retired pilots, even pilots who were discharged for doing stupid things like using their rank to play with an aircraft they weren't specced to fly and crashing it, being called in?

Posted by: Altai | May 26 2022 7:47 utc | 212

To return to the media , yesterday I gave a quick perusal to a abandoned copy of the Dirty Diggers filthiest rag sheet for over 40 years - until the Guardian revealed its true rusty liberal reactionary soul - to see how their ‘war’ against ‘evil PutinHitler’ the ‘Nazi that is denazifying his backyard’ is going ...

War what war ? Page 19 before the first story. 🤣
P1 -3 a royal angle with a story about Meghan!
Lots of bum fluff in between.

As I noted about the similar agenda abandonment in the Mail some days ago and from the streets, cafes and pubs of London - ITS OVER. The people have seen through it and no amount of propaganda can keep the narrative on track - you can’t fool all of the people ALL of the time.

When that bastard Murdoch capitulates on trying to pull the levers (this is the first time I have seen it!) there must be a HIGHER power than he is obeying.

Ditto the Mail and Rothermeres and the other barons.
They have to obey.

Being mere billionaires and Aristos with massive powers doesn’t mean they don’t dance to a Master Fiddlers tune.

People may say they are getting ready to celebrate the 70 year reign of an unelected head of state so trying to get rid of an actual elected one is a bit of too obvious hypocrisy. To which I say fuck off they have not an ounce of shame in them.

They are busy imposing more austerity upon the population in an effort to return is to the Old World Order - the Class society where we return to penury and provide them with servants and sex slaves.

The Empire has admitted defeat? Nah just a mere flesh wound😂😂

Kissinger’s ever so humble ‘honest broker’ act of trying the retain the strategic control and ver Ukraine by offering Russia what was asked for to retain the rest that’s lost is the Emperor suddenly realising he is strutting about buck naked.
And is trying to bargain! Like a cheap car dealer, with a smarmy smile on his face ! Yes I’m sure the Russians and Chinese will buy the sharp selling technic of the old goat. Not.

No one laughed at Henry, None of the Barons dare.

The Imperium knows it can’t win ; it finally knows it can’t snatch victory; it realised that the Resistance is succeeding with its Thousand Needles strategy; it may even finally admit that the new gen precise weaponry will find them and their dynasties in the deepest luxurious bunkers , secret islands and places that they claim are ‘neutral’ - they will be in the first wave of destruction they always aim to conduct far from their homes upon the rest of humanity through the centuries.
Hell it seems that even ‘their boy’ Imran , wedded and given blood ties with his children- is unwilling to accept that assurance and ‘contract’.

It’s at the cusp of collapse like a house of cards. Where can they possibly run too?
What can they possibly do to destroy the masses, which will destroy them equally and directly?
The only option is Armageddon and the God fairytales - but they of course never believed in it.
Install a dictatorship? Create irrational racist hatred against the usurpers who didn’t yield? These things are going on.
Because their long reign through history tells them that such animosity and cultural memory can be used again by future generations to try again. Us Brits still have a knee jerk anti French button that can be pressed any time. And the Anti Russian - Commies - has been greased thoroughly.

Back to yesterday’s current bum comic.

The fuckwits even didn’t mention the MASSACRE of children in Texas until page11. They didn’t call it a MASSACRE OF CHILDREN, by their own guns and youth. They don’t use the words they have concocted. TERROR , MASSACRE, NAZI ... one story about a kangaroo court of a 19 year old ‘Russian ‘soldier’ admitting shooting an unarmed man in Ukraine, a few days ago as a means of whitewashing all the pow abuse and murder; all the civilian terror, the perverted strapping of people to lampposts; the kidnap and rape of civilians by their own Nazi psycopaths !

The Azovstal Surrenders was a genius Russian battle plan - knowing Who and What was inside - the CIA, Israelis, French, headless Nordics and French (Macroeconomic n running around like a headless chicken begging that none of it comes out mid elections - even firing his chief spook, to convince Putin that he hadn’t ordered it ! ‘Yes Manny of course I believe you’🤪)

elensky’s parents have got Israeli passports it seems , he thinks it’s all safe - he will rot and shrivel as soon as he comes down if his perpetual cocaine fuelled high - never fun after a nonstop weekend raving.
He’ll have his reward for having dismembered Ukraine’s peasants and dismissed them if their lands so that Poles can get their parcel and multinational Agro Industrial Complex can finally legally buy it all up. He has turned the country into a one party state where all the Opposition representatives are banned - the ones who kept refusing to allow the law on land ownership to be liberalised.

The Sirrender of Azovstal and the pulling of the propaganda from the western MSM are obviously linked.

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 26 2022 8:12 utc | 213

T-62 tanks and trench warfare

A trainload of old T-62M tanks appeared at the railway station in Melitopol. There is much speculation online about the purpose of the tanks. Are the Russian Armed Forces running out of armor? Someone suggested that the tanks might be used as artillery.

Western and even Pro-Russian media is making the mistake of not differentiating between Russian Federation forces and ex-Ukrainian DPR and LPR forces. Everything is collectively called "Russia". Maybe the proper name would be "Collective Russia".

I do not think the Russian Federation will be using these tanks. Most likely they will go to some newly formed LPR/DPR/Zaparozhia reservist units. This post on Telegram might explain the need.

In fairness - about the Zaporozhye direction. Yesterday I went with a load to the "contact line" (as it used to be called), where my friend, a reservist, serves. Most of them are reservists. Their situation, to put it mildly, is deplorable, exactly the opposite of what Vladlen describes here: https://t.me/vladlentatarsky/13842

The guys have been under hurricane shelling for almost a month without the ability to raise their heads. Sat in the dust. Movement on any transport only in the dark - during the day there is little chance of surviving: it will instantly copy the drone and give the enemy artillery a target. Our artillery is simply not there now, only occasionally Russians who come for a short time beat. That is, there is almost no counter-battery fight at all, and enemy mortars and MLRS feel complete impunity.

Why is this happening? From the point of view of military leaders, this is not a priority direction - it does not require, in their opinion, a large concentration of forces and means, and it is enough, allegedly, for the deaf defense of reservists with light small arms; they really have nothing heavier than DShK.

The enemy went to the breakthrough once. To the credit of our guys, this local offensive was repulsed with the help of plentiful desperate machine-gun fire on green grass, from where dill feathers came from. But the battalion's losses in a month are huge - about 30% of the personnel (fortunately, most of the three hundredth). There are people who have literally gone crazy - this happens among unmotivated untrained reservists. My friend - he is a musician, an employee of the Philharmonic - is holding himself more than worthy, although he cannot boast of good health - he survives due to high intelligence and an irresistible desire to return home to his loved ones. I'm proud of them.

So not everywhere is such a rosy picture, as they write to Tatarsky. However, this is a completely normal everyday life of the war, unfortunately. It’s just that some reservists were lucky to be on duty on a safe seaside highway in the fresh air and fresh fish (there’s no reproach here, it’s better to put freshly mobilized ones to check documents, and not send them to hell), others were unlucky to live in the ground under hurricane shelling without the hope of surviving until dark.

I hope the fighters in those broken-down villages will soon be allowed to breathe - they have been on the front lines without getting out since the end of February, they have passed Mariupol, - they will be taken out in rotation or at least they will now strengthen the battalion with artillery.

In conclusion, I will say that these guys - still yesterday's musicians, accountants, entrepreneurs, taxi drivers - are holding up amazingly. They keep the defense steadfastly and courageously (cases of madness and simulations are still few). In heroism, sometimes they are not inferior to attack aircraft with many years of experience. Russians.

https://t.me/juchkovsky/2275

The T-62M tank was last seen in action in Syria. Russia started sending refurbished T-62s to Syria in 2017-2018. The T-62M is old, but might still be a match with the Leopard 1s and the T-72Ms NATO is sending to the Ukraine.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 26 2022 9:24 utc | 214

Doug Hillman (111).

I'm pretty sure Nato has fired DU shells in other countries as well causing long term illnesses, no doubt the so called "defensive" alliance will weasel its way out of those as well.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 26 2022 9:43 utc | 215

Japan's government decides not to invite Russian or Belarussian representative to the memorial commemorating the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima, yet the perpetrator of the bombing s and crimes against humanity the US is invited.


"The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which killed a total of 214,000 people, were the only cases in history of the combat use of nuclear weapons. The Americans were told that the end of the war and salvation from the Attack of the Japanese depended on the atomic strike, in fact, surrender was already predetermined. No one was responsible for the destruction of the civilian population of Japanese cities in 1945."


https://ria.ru/20220526/nagasaki-1790793384.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 26 2022 9:50 utc | 216

The Netherlands is the latest Western country to say it might send ship to escort grain ships from Ukraine, Dutch Defence Minister Kaisa Ollongren is though looking for guarantees from Russia that they'll be no hostilities towards Dutch ships.

This is the country that took the lead on blaming Russia outright for the shooting down of flight MH17

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 26 2022 9:59 utc | 217

So if contacted by someone claiming to be a Ukrainian in need - is them saying that The Guardian is "almost correct" a dead giveaway that they are full of shit?

Posted by: QuickQuestion | May 26 2022 10:03 utc | 218

This was posted on Podoliaka's tg channel just now, presumably from a mole in the Ukie command center:


#Insider
Our source in the OP (command center) told Insider that the West expects the outcome of the battle for Donbass, they have suspended mass deliveries of heavy weapons which have already been promised. There is little artillery and air defense at the front, which makes it impossible to keep the situation without urgent help from the United States and Great Britain. The situation is so critical that the front may collapse in the coming days, as Zelensky warned our Western partners.

Posted by: Bloke from block 8 | May 26 2022 10:14 utc | 219

Russian POW's not getting visits from the Red Cross as Ukrainian forces stop them visiting, Ukrainian POW's do get visits from Red Cross officials the Russian forces allow them access.


https://tass.com/politics/1456173

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 26 2022 10:15 utc | 220

Some hardline Azov Nazi's still hiding out in the Azovstal.

"Some Ukrainian security forces may still remain on the territory of the Azovstal steel plant in Mariupol due to a lack of coordination between their commanders, Eduard Basurin, deputy chief of the DPR People’s Militia said on Thursday.

"The lack of coordination of the general command at Azovstal led to the fact that everyone lived independently, everyone was hiding in their own corner, so it is possible that we may find them [remaining militants]," he said during a Channel One TV broadcast.

According to Basurin, the full mop-up of Azovstal should be completed in about two to three weeks, because "the territory is huge, there are places to hide." Many militants are afraid to come out for various reasons, the deputy commander stressed. "With the conditions they are in, they are hiding like frightened little puppies, squatting in a corner and thinking that no one will ever find them <...>. Everyone will be found," he vowed."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 26 2022 10:17 utc | 221

Captured Ukrainian forces admit that they were ordered not to take prisoners civilian or military.


"Many Ukrainian soldiers taken prisoner have confessed that they had orders to open fire on civilians and to take no Russian prisoners, Russia’s ambassador to the United Nations, Vasily Nebenzya, said at a meeting of the UN Security Council devoted to the protection of civilians amid armed conflicts.

"I would like to draw everybody’s attention to torture and other abuse, committed by the Ukrainian nationalists and army, against Russian prisoners of war. There are numerous testimonies by Ukrainian soldiers taken prisoner they had received orders to open fire on civilians and to take no Russian miliary servicemen prisoner," he said.

Nebenzya stressed that the Russian army’s attitude to Ukrainian POWs was fundamentally different."


https://tass.com/politics/1455911

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 26 2022 10:21 utc | 222

The discussing of banning Russian oil is once again off the table in an up and coming EU meeting, the fools in charge of the EU know they cannot ban Russian oil without their countries suffering greatly yet they still parrot the USA's belligerent agenda.

The heads of state and government of the European Union will not be able to agree on an embargo on the import of Russian oil at the summit on May 30-31, President of the European Commission (EC) Ursula von der Leyen said in an interview with the Politico newspaper.

"I think it is not an appropriate topic to be solved on the European Council because it’s very technical what we’re discussing. We're speaking about landlocked countries that need alternative supply via pipeline, so you have to speak about the investment in the pipelines, to increase the supply, and we're talking about refineries that have to be updated, and investment and renewable energy, she said, when asked if EU leaders would agree on an oil embargo."


https://tass.com/economy/1455283

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 26 2022 10:32 utc | 223

I was showing my ignorance. it is 30,000 kg ie 30 tonnes of plutonium. That is one helluva lot

Posted by: watcher | May 26 2022 10:38 utc | 224

Republicofscotland | May 26 2022 9:59 utc | 214

Most of the arms and "Aid" sent into Ukraine are in some form of repayable "loan". The saving of the wheat in Ukraine is just as much about getting their money back as it is about "saving" the world. Ukraine has to repay the totality of the sums mentioned, not just the bits it actually gets.

How much do the Danes expect?
**

I sort of noticed the increase in theft on the worlds stage. The Greeks have seized an Iranian ship which will be sent to the US, to try to keep the prices down, and the US is still stealing oil and wheat from the Syrians. Just how desperate are they?

Posted by: Stonebird | May 26 2022 10:48 utc | 225

Republicofscotland | May 26 2022 10:32 utc | 220

The discussing of banning Russian oil is once again off the table in an up and coming EU meeting, the fools in charge of the EU know they cannot ban Russian oil without their countries suffering greatly yet they still parrot the USA's belligerent agenda.
The EU is a terrorist organization attacking the peoples of European countries. It must be dissolved.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 26 2022 10:49 utc | 226

Posted by: Roger | May 25 2022 19:02 utc | 65

Thank you.

The entire confected narrative of the West (& hangers-on) has the effect, via neuro-linguistic programming, of turning the narrative-spinners into a cult of actual 'true believers'. Sadly it works all too well.

It really does tend to leave any of us 'double-sapiens' imbued with a bit of heart rather frayed around the edges.

You struck a chord, Roger.
Sarcasm at will, sir. It is, I feel, cathartic for many at the bar...and piss-funny to boot.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | May 26 2022 11:09 utc | 227

@Pacifica Advocate | May 26 2022 4:04 utc | 177

Has nobody here noticed that Imran Khan has taken Islamabad to Defcon 1?
Previous attempts to link to RT articles have "disappeared" them, so no link. But now I read this

Pakistan deploys army against ex-PM
The government of Pakistan authorized the deployment of the military to protect its headquarters in Islamabad in the early hours of Thursday, as thousands of protesters loyal to former PM Imran Khan took to the streets. Khan marched on the capital on Wednesday to demand the “imported government” call early elections.


The article contains several Twitter links, including this:
https://twitter.com/PTIofficial/status/1529589599042945024
These are visuals from Islamabad, with Chairman PTI @ImranKhanPTI leading the caravan!

Posted by: Norwegian | May 26 2022 11:12 utc | 228

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 26 2022 9:59 utc | 214

No hostile actions will be undertaken against NATO ships - once they are at the bottom.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | May 26 2022 12:06 utc | 230

K, Pacifica. others

The problem with thorium reactors is they do not exist.

It is a sales pitch. It is bait and switch. It is pure rampant BS. Stop being such suckers.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 26 2022 12:17 utc | 231

Interesting article from the UK's Daily Mail

It's not the article that's interesting but the comments which are becoming increasingly hostile to the war. You have to remember that of all of the UK's newspapers the DM is the most pro-war. Way back in WW1 they were dead against the armistice proposed by the Archduke of Austria in 1917 leading to the further loss of 100,000s of lives and the rise of...

The UK is raising an extra 10 billion in taxes to help with the cost of living crisis apparently (some help!) but somehow the reports forgot to mention the ongoing financial support for (Z)elensky, which amounted to 1.5 billion this month alone. I'm sure they're happy paying almost $10 a gallon for petrol to support such a good patriotic UK citizen like Z-boy. Hmm, oddly enough they also forgot to add that he now has British citizenship.

I saw a lot of speculation about the doubtful strategic importance of Snake Island; the thing you have to remember is that whoever holds it controls a huge swathe of the maritime assets of the Black Sea (i.e territorial waters) and Moldova's access to the sea (which is already tenuous). It may help to remind them that, despite being armed by NATO, they'd better not start anything or they'd become completely land locked.

Sending Generals to the front is something I support. I think Milley and Lloyd Austin (aka Tweedledum and Tweewdledee) should lead a Banzai charge. And why is Lt Col. Vindman still cowering in a fetal position is his basement while his wife is stomping around screaming at everyone in order to drum up support for the war? Surely as the putative Ukraine Minister of Defense he'd be out there directing the effort.

Posted by: Kevin | May 26 2022 12:21 utc | 232

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 26 2022 10:32 utc | 220

Winding up the EU's ill-conceived "ban imports of Russian [gas and] oil" d/b/a EU Russian [gas and] oil "embargo".
Politico.eu.com | False expectations

EU countries are desperately searching for a way to save their plan to ban imports [!] of Russian [gas and] oil, as hopes of a breakthrough fade ahead of a crucial European leaders’ summit next week.

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen, who first proposed the sanctions [!] three weeks ago [FALSE], signaled on Tuesday that there was little chance of an agreement among all 27 EU member countries in time for the leaders' gathering in Brussels on May 30. Behind the scenes, diplomats and officials are still working to stop the package of sanctions falling apart completely as they confront the possibility that they may never reach a deal on banning Russian oil [!].


Michel says sanctions deal can be done by summit after von der Leyen says it can’t
Because mental disorder is a communicable disease.

Posted by: sln2002 | May 26 2022 12:21 utc | 233

some form of repayable "loan"
Posted by: Stonebird | May 26 2022 10:48 utc | 222

oh. a neo-"Lend-Lease" or "Marshall Plan" finance regime? That would make some kind of sense IF the borrower were solvent. Sadly, at least one credit agency (US American, of course) has mercifully, truthfully rated Ukraine sovereign bonds "junk"--leaving EU holding an the bag o' solidarity. So. Get ready for EC "forgiveable loan" conversion recommendation (checks watch) on or before the first PUTIN WAR anniversary.

Posted by: sln2002 | May 26 2022 12:42 utc | 234

Posted by: oldhippie | May 26 2022 12:17 utc | 228

Care to give a reasoned argument instead of merely derisive pronounciations?

All the recent buzz about thorium reactors say they were thought up around the 60s, but not pursued because trying to produce weapons-grade fissile material with them was a futile prospect.

The PRC is apparently taking them seriously.

None of these are guarantees of practical feasibility, but they're certainly two arguments more than you have just put forth, unless I have missed some post.

I'm not anywhere close to being a nuclear engineer, maybe you're way more knowledgeable on the subject; but if you actually are I'd like to see some actual arguments to go with it, not just a naked assertion spiced up with a little bit of insulting.

If it's a sales pitch like you say:
-Who's the salesman here?
-Who's the mark here?
-What are the differences between the sales pitch and the merchandise?

Posted by: Arganthonios | May 26 2022 12:45 utc | 235

Kanamat Batashev? Oh boy!
Never heard of a name Kanamat, ever... :)

"The general asked his friend-colonel to let him fly a Su-27, a flight permit he did not have."

Oh boy! Liz Truss, BoJo and the rest of dumb wits..

Posted by: ostro | May 26 2022 12:47 utc | 236

Posted by: bottle | May 26 2022 1:42 utc | 156


A century or so ago the richest family in the world were the Krupps - German steel manufacturers. They also made canon. One racket was to sell a canon with 50 mile range to the Japanese, wait a few months and then sell one with 52 mile range to the Chinese and on and on. (I might have got one of the countries wrong...) He got nabbed for pedophilia and faded away, I think. Have always wondered where their money went - no doubt one of the major German GmbH's....

Posted by: Scorpion | May 26 2022 12:51 utc | 237

Following up my 228

Thorium reactors have been hypothesized since the 1950s. Small scale research reactors have been built since the 1960s. I personally first heard the sales pitch in the early 80s. For 20 years the hype revisited on this page has been a constant. There is no reason whatever to give any credence to thorium hucksters.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 26 2022 12:53 utc | 238

LOL, the Serbian govt immunizes NATO from war-crimes violations of international law; well that and the rules based international odor, the final get out of jail free arbiter. That's the ticket.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | May 25 2022 22:02 utc | 111

Not surprising as even today's Serbian "handler" Vucic has been managed by Tony Blair for years...

Posted by: ERing46Z | May 26 2022 12:56 utc | 239

Thorium reactors have been hypothesized since the 1950s. Small scale research reactors have been built since the 1960s. I personally first heard the sales pitch in the early 80s. For 20 years the hype revisited on this page has been a constant. There is no reason whatever to give any credence to thorium hucksters.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 26 2022 12:53 utc | 238

You still haven't provided any arguments as to their unfeasibility, you're just giving them the "fusion is the future and always will be" treatment. But fission is a well-known physical process that can certainly be harnessed.

I'm not saying you're not right, I'm just saying that you aren't giving any reasoned argument as to why you are; if you're so convinced please put forth some substantive argument because "it cannot be done because it hasn't yet been done" seriously doesn't cut it.

Posted by: Arganthonios | May 26 2022 13:09 utc | 240

Posted by: oldhippie | May 26 2022 12:53 utc | 238

Tokamak reactors are the latest thing. Even Bill Gates wants one.

Posted by: sln2002 | May 26 2022 13:11 utc | 241

It is remarkable, like some sort of cultural fractal pattern that reproduces itself at different scales. The woketards in the West are completely blind to how they are driving the violence in western societies in exactly the same way that the NA-TOady states are blind to how they are driving the conflict in the Ukraine.

Example: It is impossible for the woketards to recognize that they themselves played a large part, perhaps even the biggest part, in the shooting in Buffalo, New York. You tards work tirelessly building your culture centered around victimhood then are shocked and offended when that culture generalizes and people whom you don't wish to be seen as victims begin to see themselves that way. You try to reconfigure society so that status is based upon victimhood and then protest indignantly when the boogiemen of your socially constructed "reality" reach for the status afforded by victimhood as well.

The fact is that the Buffalo shooter viewed himself at the victim. He believed he was under attack. Guess what? He is 100% correct, and you know this is true because you woketards are the ones who have been attacking him. That the shooter misidentified who he was being attacked by is disappointing, but hardly surprising as he is an idiot.

Of course, reacting to the "woke" attacks by "punching down" and attacking Black people is retarded and profoundly emotionally stunted, but "punching down" is what the woketards in the West are doing with their every woke utterance and action so it is not like the shooter adopted that behavior in a vacuum. Emotional stunting is also the norm among Millennials rather than the exception, so it is not like we can criticize without criticizing the entire generation.

Here is how the "woke" view violence in society as arising: ADL Pyramid of Hate". Seems logical at a casual glance but there are no connections between the levels of the "pyramid", and it denies class antagonisms. It is not even remotely scientific. By a large margin the majority of violent crime in the United States is Black Americans targeting other Black Americans and that violence doesn't fit anywhere in this "pyramid". When you try to define societal ills isolated from class conflict then you get this childish, kindergarted-level intellect block-stacking exercise... this cartoon version of reality that the "woke" embrace.

It seems so obvious; so "self-evident" to the delusional woketards what the problem is in society. The delusion is crystal clear to them so they will double down on their attacks on the "deplorables", and thus deepen the crisis in American society (and western society in general). They have no off-ramp from their escalation.

Likewise it seems so obvious to the NATOadies that they are justified in pushing their "defensive alliance" all the way to Moscow, and that the Russians are wrong for being opposed to that. "How could wonderful us be the bad guys? Nooo!! We're the victims of Russian aggression! We're the victims and they are the bad guys!"

It is a continuum of delusion; a fractal pattern that repeats from the local to the international scale. "We have to wipe out the 'Biased Attitudes' at the base of the 'Pyramid of Hate'! We must force them to be like us because we are the end of history... we are the exceptional ones!"

It is obvious from this why the "woke" have to deny the existence of the Nazis. The Nazis are the hate buried within their own hearts, just viewed from a different scale. Acknowledging it would fracture their exceptional delusion. It is likewise obvious why they are so comfortable just making stuff up, like killing Russian generals or the gunman in the recent school shooting in Texas being a white supremacist. What matters to them is the narrative and what people believe, not the facts on the ground. Fortunately for Russia, military conflicts are determined by the facts on the ground and not delusions.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 26 2022 13:16 utc | 242

Arganthonios, 240:

> But fission is a well-known physical process that can certainly be harnessed.

Ok: If el from atomic reactors is it, why aren't the capitalists all over it?

Posted by: Mr Y | May 26 2022 13:26 utc | 243

Posted by: William Gruff | May 26 2022 13:16 utc | 242

Black Americans are under the pyramid, hon.

Posted by: sln2002 | May 26 2022 13:28 utc | 244

Arganthios @ 235

A poster above referred to my father as monkey scum. And further claimed to understand his motivation. Yeah, ascribing motivation always works. The poster would clearly know my father better than I did. The personal insult seriously pisses me off. And makes me wonder why I bother to be present in company of such fools.

I have mentioned the personal history here before. My father, Robert Arthur Wilson, was in charge of the Com Ed reactor fleet. Even with 50 and 60 year old reactors finally being shut down that is still the biggest fleet in US. Someone here once talked to someone who called himself a nuclear engineer. I knew my father's entire staff. The man he left in charge on retirement, Rom Gatandi (sp?), was a metallurgist. He told me thorium did not need new alloys of supermetal, it required new laws of physics. He had worked on the 1960s Indian demo thorium reactor.

I could go on. Fuck you all. Eat advertising and die.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 26 2022 13:35 utc | 245

Posted by: K | May 25 2022 22:38 utc | 120

Another issue is the siting of reactors adjacent to major tectonic faults.
That 'practice' just has kick-backs and stupidity written all over it.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | May 26 2022 13:43 utc | 246

@Pacifica Advocate #200
The most rabid anti-nuclear are the high priests of the consensus environmentalist/climate change doom movement - not the conservatives nor (most of) the fossil fuel industry.

Oil <> electricity outside of Hawaii and Yokohama.

Ironically, a lot of the fossil fuel funding that went into the environmentalist NGOs was natural gas industry money because they saw coal as an easy target for replacement due to ultra-low rates (courtesy of oil fracking throwoff) and low base incipient demand. And that industry has hit the jackpot with LNG exports. But the utility users of natural gas have now found the 2nd problem with natural gas (the first is that you cannot store it, so peak spikes like Polar vortexes cause huge price increases): pricing is basically spot+. You can sign a long term contract but LNG suppliers function in decade scales whereas utilities haven't been. So the LNG boom is going to cause serious electricity and natural gas utility bill jumps, on top of the gasoline/diesel and food price jumps.

IMO: nuclear isn't going to make a visible contribution to the US or most of the EU for a long time. Between the lawfare by enviro NGOs, political opposition from Greens, craptastic democratic/capitalist capital funding and sheer lack of expertise - I don't expect a serious nuclear contribution in the West for at least a decade. The lack of expertise is the most serious: the US has simply not been building nor seriously innovating nuclear reactors since the 1970s. You need specialists of all types from the construction to the design to maintenance, etc. whereas China and Russia have been building new reactors the whole time.

Interesting times...

Posted by: c1ue | May 26 2022 13:53 utc | 247

@sln2002 | May 26 2022 13:11 utc | 241

Tokamak reactors are the latest thing.
As they have been the last 60 years...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokamak
Tokamaks were initially conceptualized in the 1950s by Soviet physicists Igor Tamm and Andrei Sakharov, inspired by a letter by Oleg Lavrentiev. The first working tokamak was attributed to the work of Natan Yavlinsky on the T-1 in 1958

Posted by: Norwegian | May 26 2022 14:28 utc | 248

sln2002 @244

What is the point of the "pyramid" if it doesn't represent what is happening in the real world? It doesn't explain the violence by Black Americans against other Black Americans, the violence by Latinos against other Latinos, or even the violence by "white" people which is likewise directed at other "white" people. None of this violence (which covers almost all of the violence in the US) is explainable with the ridiculously childish "pyramid", so what is its purpose other than misdirection away from the class nature of society? Hon?

Posted by: William Gruff | May 26 2022 14:38 utc | 249

@ Opport Knocks #74

Those kids are digging trenches.

Posted by: Feral Finster | May 26 2022 14:48 utc | 250

Posted by: oldhippie | May 26 2022 13:35 utc | 245

"A poster above referred to my father as monkey scum. And further claimed to understand his motivation. Yeah, ascribing motivation always works. The poster would clearly know my father better than I did. The personal insult seriously pisses me off. And makes me wonder why I bother to be present in company of such fools."

That's unasked-for behavior and I don't condone it - but I'm 0% responsible for it or even related to it, so don't get mad at me because of what somebody else did.

Or do, I mean, it's not like I can stop you.

I'm not trying to hype thorium reactors, I just have on one hand "talk on the grapevine" that it's a potential avenue of development for nuclear energy in the near future; on the other hand I have you saying that it is outright impossible.

But it's not an exotic matter reactor, it's just a fission reactor; I'm curious as to what concrete, substantive arguments you have in favor of it being outright impossible (not difficult, not inefficient, not uneconomical: impossible).

You even said there have been small experimental reactors built, these experiments probably have yielded some evidence on the matter one way or another. But it's not like the Michelson-Morley experiment where the hypothesis (aether exists and it carries light as waves) turned out to be entirely at odds with reality.

The hypotheses for thorium reactors would be along the lines of "Thorium radioactivity and those of the short-lived byproducts of its nuclear reactions can be engineered into a sustained chain reaction through which enough energy can be released so as to perform work". This in itself doesn't seem to go against the laws of physics, it's the same thing that uranium and plutonium do, the questions are whether thorium has the appropriate properties, whether the conditions required can be created in an industrial setting and whether it's a worthwhile thing to do or no.

If it does indeed go against physics, give me some lead as to why the radioactive properties of thorium do not allow for a worthwhile nuclear reaction: Thorium decay doesn't produce the appropriate particles to generate the reaction, the intensity of the reaction doesn't allow for anything better than a vanishing proof of concept, the role of thorium itself in the reaction is accessory, it's too stable, it's too unstable, whatever.

You also said that it's a sales pitch, again: if it's a sales pitch - who's the salesman, who's the mark, and where's the catch?

"I have mentioned the personal history here before. My father, Robert Arthur Wilson, was in charge of the Com Ed reactor fleet. Even with 50 and 60 year old reactors finally being shut down that is still the biggest fleet in US. Someone here once talked to someone who called himself a nuclear engineer. I knew my father's entire staff. The man he left in charge on retirement, Rom Gatandi (sp?), was a metallurgist. He told me thorium did not need new alloys of supermetal, it required new laws of physics. He had worked on the 1960s Indian demo thorium reactor."

Your appeal to authority sounds reasonable enough at first glance, and that's the reason why your appeal to authority makes me want to listen to your arguments, but for that to happen you have to actually produce them. An appeal to authority is meant to back the arguments, not replace them.

"I could go on. Fuck you all. Eat advertising and die."

Hey, calm yo tits, b!tch.

I haven't attacked you in the slightest regarding the feasibility of thorium reactors or their lack thereof.

It's not my business when, or how, or where, you were convinced that thorium reactors are impossible; or by whom, or what f***ing hat they were wearing.

I'm interested about WHAT (facts) and WHY (chain of reasoning) convinced you that thorium reactors are impossible.

Because who told you and what was he drinking that sunday has zero bearing on the actual properties of thorium or nuclear reactions.

If you want to take this as an attack against yourself personally and to your father and his coworkers, that's your own choice and self-inflicted suffering; I don't approve of it but again, it's not like I can stop you, so enjoy overreacting to plain commentary about radioactive elements, I guess?

Posted by: Arganthonios | May 26 2022 14:52 utc | 251

sln2002 @244

One thing the ADL's "Pyramid of Hate" does succeed in doing is providing a nice framework for inciting hate-based violence. Start off telling children how unique and "special" they are, then provide them with "safe spaces" all the way to nominal adulthood where their implanted "existing beliefs and/or biases" are protected from any challenges. Just keep urging people to take steps up that pyramid after those first steps. We can see how it was employed in the Ukraine by educators, journalists, and NGOs to create the Nazi monsters that are the immediate cause for the violence in the Ukraine. It is practically a guide for "woke" middle class `tards to create violence and genocide where there was none before.

Talk about "Lack of self-reflection or awareness of privilege"! Every single level of that "pyramid" was deliberately scaled in the Ukraine at the urging and direction of woketards.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 26 2022 14:55 utc | 252

Arganthonios, 240:

> But fission is a well-known physical process that can certainly be harnessed.

Ok: If el from atomic reactors is it, why aren't the capitalists all over it?

Posted by: Mr Y | May 26 2022 13:26 utc | 243

"el"? "Electricity"?

Transition costs, competition with more entrenched energy industries, more difficult to justify price fluctuation to the public, high regulation and oversight because of relation to nuclear bombs?

Anyhow the answer to that question is universal regardless of subject: Because at the moment it doesn't yield high enough rate of profit when organized as a private enterprise.

I don't have any "nuclear agenda" to follow, I was just asking for arguments justifying the position that thorium reactors are impossible (not difficult, not inefficient, not uneconomical: impossible).

Of which so far the scant number of 0 have been put forth.

Posted by: Arganthonios | May 26 2022 15:10 utc | 253

@ William Gruff | May 26 2022 14:55 utc | 252

You make a lot of good points, and there's no value in sweeping black-on-black crime under the metaphorical rug. Nor do I have much patience for the ADL. Nonetheless, I doubt most black-on-black crime occurs because the perp hates his fellow blacks, whereas someone spraypainting swastikas on synagogues, or lurking outside a gay bar with a baseball bat, or looking to tie a black man to the back of his pickup truck probably does have a bit of hatred in (usually) his heart.

Posted by: malenkov | May 26 2022 15:23 utc | 254

K @187, et al--

I see you've received some good feedback on nuclear power. Currently, Russia's Rosatom is the global leader in that tech and prior to the Ukraine BS there was a promising opportunity for it to be the collector and recycler of most nuclear fuel waste so that over time it could be eliminated. Rosatom has mastered what's known as the nuclear fuel cycle such that almost no waste is generated by its new nuclear plants. It's also running new experimental plants that don't use radioactive products, some of which were referred to earlier. I suggest you explore Rosatom's website (the Russian pages have more info than the English) for more information as it is a very transparent state-owned corporation regarding its civilian processes. And it does more than just build nuclear plants as you'll discover.

On the problem of guns within the Outlaw US Empire, this has occasionally been a discussion topic here over the years. The most salient observation is that of behaviors associated with all those guns as other nations have similar gun ownership to population ratios but totally lack any similar "gun death disease" related to mass-shooting massacres. In that regard, the Outlaw US Empire is most certainly Exceptional. During our last discussion on this topic, the consensus was that the historical culture of Stand Your Ground philosophy/psychology is the most significant factor and the two types of behavior it's spawned on the Frontier and within Cities like New York, Chicago, Boston, etc. And then there's the history of police and how it's contributed to the problem. The latter is a very obscured and twisted history because of what actually transpired over the years--policing was instituted in the Colonies to protect the human property of the Slave Power and thus set the basis for White Supremacy. It was also twisted into a tool to further the genocide of Native Americans. One history of Police I provided then argued that city police constituted the first gangs and helped uphold the political machines that formed during the 1800s. And then there's the incestuous relationship between Big Government and the Merchants of Death (MIC) that's now existed for over 100 years, as well as the relationship between Federal "law" enforcement and Big Crime.

I hope I provided you with some things you can use and didn't befuddle you too much. As you see, nukes are simple compared to the socio-political problem of guns and the related disease that afflicts those within the Outlaw US Empire.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 26 2022 16:08 utc | 255

So I looked up their executive compensation. Get dafuq outta here!

1. Thomas Kenyon, M.D. $415,652
2. Alan Weil $406,419
3. Rabih Torbay $347,437

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 26 2022 1:44 utc | 161

On the bright side, the money is not reaching those who do not deserve.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 26 2022 16:15 utc | 256

malenkov @254

True enough, but outside of places where the hate is deliberately manufactured that kind of hate is extremely rare. The Black-on-Black, Latino-on-Latino, white-on-white violent crime represents the overwhelming majority (like 99+%) of violence in America and has nothing to do with the infantile "woke" bleating about racism, transphobia, and misogyny. This is weird as the "woke", living in their information bubbles, believe as a matter of faith that most violence in the US originates from "deplorable" white working class men, and that is simply not backed by any empirical evidence. It is no different than the Ukrainians asserting that all of their misfortunes over the last couple decades were the fault of Russians.

(Minor aside: When discussing that availability of indoor running water in Ukrainian households has dropped from almost 100% in 1990 to 83% today most Ukrainians will blame the Russians! Sure, maybe the Russians were why the Ukraine had 100% indoor running water in the first place; therefore, maybe the decline can be argued to be their fault!)

What do the "woke" accomplish by forcing the narrative in every movie, AAA video game, TV or cable sitcom, news broadcast, university classroom (and now even in primary schools!), and workplace training seminar that the problems in society are due to "deplorable" white working class people? What does that accomplish? First of all those assertions are wrong, and while the "deplorables" might not be able to adequately express why it is wrong, they still know that it is wrong. They know that they are being unjustly demonized. They know that they are under attack. Because the attacks on them are unjust and cannot resolve any of society's problems, there will be backlash from the "deplorables". Sadly, there is no Marxist vanguard in America who can explain to the "deplorables" who is actually attacking them and why, so the backlash will go in unfortunate directions, such as what we saw in Buffalo.

Just as I cannot see a route out of the Empire vs Russia fight that is going on now, I cannot see deescalation of the "woke" vs "deplorables" conflict that is taking place in the US right now. Escalation of both of those conflicts is all that I can see happening. In both cases the conflicts are due to delusion among people in positions with some power who believe themselves to be smarter than they really are. "Well, obviously the problems we see in the world are the Russians/"deplorables" fault! It is only our fault to the extent that we cannot find a way to make them be what we want them to be! We will just have to try harder; to double down!"

Posted by: William Gruff | May 26 2022 16:31 utc | 257

Arganthios

You want a technical discussion. You read something at the level of Popular Mechanics and anyone who disbelieves the PR needs to prove something.

You can't do the math. I can't do the math. This is not technical forum.

Simplified math. There is no such thing as a free lunch. Perpetual motion machines do not exist. If someone tells you they have a black box that requires small specific finite inputs and investments and then infinite amounts of energy power and money comes out the other end.....the person who told you that is a salesman.

You were not the one who came up with monkey scum. I would not consider directly responding to that person. If you take offense so be it. Calling me a bitch certainly elevates the discussion.

c1ue at 247 has an excellent point in final paragraph. The expertise for any of this does not exist. Not only do you and I not have the math, my father never had the math and neither did any who worked with him prior to Gatandi. He specifically retired because with age what little math he did have was leaving his brain. He had a new hire who could do the math, he worked with that gentleman 2 years and passed the baton. The unique qualified person did not last long. Being a Sikh, aka a dothead, he did not have the authority to fire a good old boy for being drunk and asleep in the control room. The good old boys chased him right out the door. American culture is like that and has only grown worse. American culture cannot manage nuclear anything.

My father never called himself a nuclear engineer. Neither did anyone in his immediate cohort. The nuclear engineers were all operating engineers and they all got the credential the same way. The Jimmy Carter way. The United States Navy told them they were nuclear engineers. Anyone who self identifies as a nuclear engineer is an idiot you need to walk away from.

If you can find even one cite in technical literature making a claim that thorium is better than a will o' the wisp I will slog through the math and get help with the math and see what I can make of it. It has been forty years now of watching the PR train. That technical article has never shown up.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 26 2022 16:35 utc | 258

William Gruff @242--

Thanks for doing that work and tying it to NATO's BS. The first Cold War was a blessing for China and Russia as they were mostly insulated from the Western indoctrination methods that have destroyed the opportunity to gain a good education in the West. Most of us barflies are from the last generations to avoid the indoctrination miasma, while today to obtain what was called a Classical Education can only be acquired via home schooling. The fact that the West is rebuilding a wall between it and the rest of the world is a good thing when it comes to this very large issue--good for the rest of the world that is as it's terrible for those in the West. Next on the Cancel Parade will be Chinese and Asian culture.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 26 2022 16:38 utc | 259

@watcher

It wasn't kilograms, it was tons of plutonium

https://lyricsgenius.eu/iaea-reports-tons-of-plutonium-and-enriched-uranium-at-zaporozhye-npp.php

Seems enough for hundreds of nuclear bombs?
Not sure why there is a large silence about this

Posted by: ct | May 26 2022 16:41 utc | 260

This guy wasn't shot down. He never made it to the cockpit.

A large gust of wind came along, caught the brim of that enormous hat, and snapped his neck like a cheap WW2 helmet strap when a bomb goes off.

It was tragic. He will be sorely missed.

Posted by: David G Horsman | May 26 2022 17:20 utc | 261

Human Rights Activist Deported from Colombia in Run-up to High Stakes Election
Backlash against Pakistan’s military, as political crisis worsens

Posted by: Dadda | May 26 2022 11:43 utc | 229

Thank you for these links. I haven't read the one on Colombia yet, but the one pertaining to Pakistan is excellent. The Pakistani military does not seem suicidal or psychopathic, like some significant part of the US government, more like straws blowing in the wind coming from Washington, and not of one mind, either. Imran Kahn is playing his hand very astutely.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 26 2022 17:33 utc | 262

Former PM Khan was making conciliatory statements about India shortly before he was ousted. He's continued on this path recently on India being a "free or independent" country in that it buys cheap Russian oil.

e.g. This brief Indian newspaper report last week

Posted by: Dim sim | May 26 2022 6:00 utc | 203

Thanks for this perspective, there is a clear common interest here, and I hope that the 3 nations can come together in a common purpose to resist the US empire. reversing the coup would be a huge step toward that.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 26 2022 17:38 utc | 263

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 26 2022 5:39 utc | 198

Yes, I think Khan retaking control of Pakistan is a crucial step toward breaking the US power play. The US is overextended, and has expended a significant part of its assets on this current play against Russia and China.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 26 2022 17:44 utc | 264

I could go on. Fuck you all. Eat advertising and die.
Posted by: oldhippie | May 26 2022 13:35 utc | 245

oldhippie going old nuclear hippie!!

:)

Posted by: Scorpion | May 26 2022 18:43 utc | 265

Saw somewhere, and indolence prevents my checking where, that the $40 Billion is basically one more funding bill for the Deep State. The half for the State Dept will find its way to the usual NGO's, Foundations, Think Tanks and propaganda organs and assorted journalists. The DOD half to arms makers. military contractors, Rand and similar, flaky logistics companies etc,

Far more will end up in Northern Virginia than East of the Danube.

Posted by: Bilejones | May 26 2022 19:27 utc | 266

Quite serious people seem to think feasible, and indeed fund, Thorium reactor technology. China should be testing its reactor now although I couldn't find anything in English:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02459-w

Some people called Copenhagen Atomics are trying to build one.
https://www.powermag.com/thorium-fueled-reactors-offer-huge-potential-benefits-for-the-nuclear-power-industry/

I am fairly sure a US University had a test bed Thorium reactor going for four years in the 1960s, but it was shut down because it didn't produce plutonium for the military.

I think there's a lot of potential in Small Modular Reactors, and Idaho National Laboratory is looking at the feasibility of various designs. The idea is to build reactors in a factory and fit them together on site, which would speed up the construction process and make volume production possible.

Posted by: JulianJ | May 26 2022 20:33 utc | 267

I think they have watched the film Firefox with Clint Eastwood one too many times.

Posted by: TJ | May 26 2022 20:50 utc | 268

oldhippie needs some work on his reading skills, as well as math. Here's what I posted (just after indicating my support for nuclear, his father'strade):

People who oppose it are either brainwashed or propagandists in the employ of the Rockefellers, Kochs, Bushes, Cheneys, and other affiliated monkey scum.

Unless his father was an oil industry lobbyist/propagandist in the employ of the oil oligarchs, then I wasn't talking about him. Yes, environmentalists have been opponents of nuclear energy, but they have been funded and coached in their opposition by Big Oil.

Regarding thorium reactors, China is already testing a working prototype. Any search for Russian or Chinese nuclear advances testing reactors etc. will turn up plenty of literature elaborating just how advanced and safer these technologies are becoming.

Also, I take "nuclear engineering" to be the act os designing and building nuclear facilities of any kind. There are lots of such high~tech sorts who come thru here, and I have shared a few drinks with a couple. Moreover, as karlof1 and c1ue have indicated, both China and Russia have taken great strides in developing nuclear tech these last few decades, far beyond the current general awareness of the average MSM science page readers.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 26 2022 21:39 utc | 269

"Do they really think that the people are dumb enough to believe such shit?"

I know "educated" people who forward these sorts of "news" items to me . . . yes, there are plenty of fools who believe all the lies and are happy to scream insults at those who do not. I finally had to drop off an "activist" list because I just couldn't take it anymore. Many former colleagues there who are so thoroughly brainwashed that it is impossible to have a conversation with them anymore.

Posted by: Perimetr | May 26 2022 23:47 utc | 270

Looks like it was Olsen that came out of Azovstal. It has now been officialy denied.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-navy-admiral-ukraine-photo-195827964649
Reached by The Associated Press, Olson said he is not in Ukraine and was not captured by Russians...
...Olson confirmed to the AP that he is “not in Ukraine and was not captured by Russians.”...
..The State Department declined to provide further comments on the retired admiral’s location for privacy reasons...

AP reached him but state department aren't giving out his location?

From wikipedia
The Associated Press (AP) is an American non-profit news agency headquartered in New York City. Founded in 1846, it operates as a cooperative, unincorporated association. Its members are U.S. newspapers and broadcasters.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 27 2022 0:02 utc | 271

Posted by: Norwegian | May 26 2022 14:28 utc | 248

this century, latest...
China Turns On Futuristic ‘Artificial Sun’ Nuclear Fusion Reactor, 2020
China Boasts Successful Nuclear Fusion, 2021

China and Russia are also both members of the international team building the ITER nuclear fusion project in Europe. Construction of the ITER tokamak began last year in southern France.

Bill Gates' next generation nuclear reactor to be built in Wyoming, 2021

tokamakenergy.co.uk

Tokamak Energy received five US Department of Energy grants in 2020

Posted by: sln2002 | May 27 2022 1:00 utc | 272

re : Posted by: Gerrard White | May 25 2022 16:38 utc | 10
WSWS org is a CIA outfit !!
https://www.internationalist.org/how-world-scab-web-site-serves-the-bosses-2101.html

Posted by: opereta | May 27 2022 2:36 utc | 273

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 26 2022 5:47 utc | 200

You, sir/madame are incredibly mis-informed.

On a LCOE (Levelised Cost of Energy)-basis, both wind and solar-PV, even when you include battery storage and FCAS (Frequency Control Ancillary Services), are around 25% of the cost of nuclear power.

Not only that, but they are 'immediately' deployable, 90-95% recyclable, are proven technology, don't leave hazardous waste for future generations to have to sort out, and don't contribute to the proliferation of very naughty boom-boom stuff.

You can confirm what I'm saying by reading International Energy Agency Reports, or data from Bloomberg New Energy Finance, and elsewhere.

I'm not lying. It is the best information I have available on the issue.
I have worked in the solar PV industry in Australia since 1999, but I really wouldn't give a flying whatsit if something more efficient and deployable came along.

We have one planet. We are a evolutionary disgrace if we trash the joint.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | May 27 2022 9:12 utc | 274

@Jon_in_AU | May 27 2022 9:12 utc | 274

On a LCOE (Levelised Cost of Energy)-basis, both wind and solar-PV, even when you include battery storage and FCAS (Frequency Control Ancillary Services), are around 25% of the cost of nuclear power.

It doesn't matter one whit how much they cost if they can't supply enough energy to power our economies by manufacturing and delivering the goods needed to maintain our current quality of life.

I got news for ya, Jon_in_AU: they currently can't (not even if we were to massively ramp up core-tech production) and likely never will be able to (buried in the dregs of that link there is the note that half the time Denmark had to import energy from other--coal-burning and nuclear-powered--countries).

Then there is the problem of storage: we likely won't be able to make enough batteries to store the power in a way that we could use 24/7 (and that 24/7 is of course the only benchmark to accept).

Not only that, but they are 'immediately' deployable,

Utter nonsense. Currently wind/solar make up about 24% of our electrical needs, and even if they increase production by 100% will only make up about 26% by 2024.

90-95% recyclable,

Again: utter nonsense. Solar panel production and installation are each notoriously harmful to the environment (just ask the Aguaro cactuses), and both Solar and Wind use so many plastic parts that the idea they could be "90-95% recyclable" is just pre-school fanstasizing. Do you know how "recyclable" PET bottles and aluminum cans are? 100%. Do you know how many actually get recycled? About 5%. The rest get dumped into landfills. Computers are something like 80% recyclable just at an average recycling facility, but again: they are almost always just dumped.

Finally: how do you reckon we're "weaning" ourselves from "fossil fuels" and "petroleum products" when our primary energy drivers are going to be ubiquitous plastic contraptions installed on every roof, in every yard, in every park, and along every coastal area of the planet?

are proven technology,

Yap: proven to be more expensive and less reliable (just ask Texas and Arizona--when California's renewable grid couldn't supply enough energy, the state forced Arizona to make up the difference causing blackouts in Arizona). Currently, in order to have full 24/7 reliable electricity for a (middle-class US) household of four, that household would need to purchase a battery pack perhaps several cubic meters large. That battery pack would take them ~15 years to pay off yet may need to be replaced in as little as 7.

don't leave hazardous waste for future generations to have to sort out,

Check out my comment about "plastics" up there, and I honestly can't imagine anything more unsightly than an old wind turbine that's not generating any more because it's down (and they're often down). Also, when nuclear power is properly executed (Tokamak Fusion reactors, for instance; or the thorium reactors China is investigating, or the full nuclear treatment cycle that Russia has implemented) nuclear waste is negligible and easily dealt with: we can just get SpaceX to shoot one of those cheap rockets they build into the heart of the sun. It'll burn up into its constituent elements long before it ever reaches the surface and just go into orbit, if not outright annihilated by the temperatures and reactions.

and don't contribute to the proliferation of very naughty boom-boom stuff.

This just betrays an immature understanding of nuclear energy. Thorium reactors cannot be used to make nuclear weapons, nor can the vast majority of reactors around the world.

You can confirm what I'm saying by reading International Energy Agency Reports, or data from Bloomberg New Energy Finance, and elsewhere.

I trust Bloomberg only for its knowledge about financial markets. The IEA is a more reliable source but it is also a captured international agency, much like WHO, IMF, WTO, WEF, and so many of the UN agencies. The IEA has taken as its mission the promotion of wind and solar at the expense of, say, natural gas and nuclear. IEA actually has an easily identifiable bias against nuclear energy, while at the same time it's prone to paper over extremely problematic policies like Germany's decision to shift some of its "green initiatives" over to "biofuels"--by which it means "cutting down forests and burning them for fuel in bio-furnaces" (currently one of the tricks Germany is resorting to in order to flout its "green credentials"). IEA fully endorsed that without even flagging the practice in a footnote!

I'm not lying. It is the best information I have available on the issue.

Trust me, then: you really need to get better sources.

I have worked in the solar PV industry in Australia since 1999, but I really wouldn't give a flying whatsit if something more efficient and deployable came along.

Great. Then I trust we can agree that nuclear is the best option for moving away from fossil fuels, right?

We have one planet. We are a evolutionary disgrace if we trash the joint.

Full agreement here.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 27 2022 11:57 utc | 275

Pacifica Advocate | May 26 2022 5:47 utc | 200; May 27 2022 11:57 utc | 275; Jon_in_AU | May 27 2022 9:12 utc | 274

Renewables vs Fossil Fuel vs Nuclear

for power/energy generation...

Why is it that the "arguments", as presented, seem to be couched in a "this OR that" context?

ANY substitution with renewables will lessen the dependence and increased USE of the known to have downsides for our environment alternatives...

Seems to me the proper conversation should NOT be about "all" this or that, which is how it is coming across.

Is that naive?

Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | May 27 2022 12:49 utc | 276

"Nato claiming immunity on bombing Serbia with depleted Uranium shells ... due to an agreement with the country's government of 2005, Serbian lawyer Srdjan Aleksic told RIA Novosti."

Republicofscotland|May 25 2022 19:35 utc
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LOL, the Serbian govt immunizes NATO from war-crimes violations of international law; well that and the rules based international odor, the final get out of jail free arbiter. That's the ticket.

Posted by: Doug Hillman|May 25 2022 22:02 utc


Maybe not just LOL, really.

Because the so called "Serbian government" of 2005 (one that adopted this document) was installed on October 5th 2000 by /NATO putsch/ a.k.a. the FIRST succesful "color revolution" -- implemented in the leftovers of the former Yugoslavia and nurtured thereafter.

This NATO puppet, a pseudo-entity, ABSOLVED it's NATO masters from war crimes etc.

But you're right. It is (the first example of enforcement of) THEIR "rules-based-international-ODOR" in action.

Posted by: LongCovid | May 27 2022 14:45 utc | 277

Ukrainian Officers Continue Killing Their Soldiers.(edit: who wanted to surrender)
Number Of Ukrainian POWs Grows (Photos 18+)

https://southfront.org/ukrainian-officers-continue-killing-their-soldiers-number-of-ukrainian-pows-grows-photos-18/

Posted by: Hannibal | May 27 2022 15:55 utc | 278

I and the other nuclear advocates here haven't been arguing against renewables. We've just been pointing out that if NZE is the goal then nuclear solutions are inevitable.

It's the other side you should be addressing your question to.

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 28 2022 3:45 utc | 279

Ya'know, B, what is the cherry on the top?

RuWiki article links 11 MSM sources, mostly BBC and Meduza. And then ends the sources list with named, but unlinked, Putin's decree to posthumously grant hime Hero of Russia award.

Here is the text of that decree, it is easily found by the given requisites: http://www.kremlin.ru/acts/bank/46761

Enjoy the RuWiki "quality"

Posted by: Arioch | Jun 16 2022 22:22 utc | 280

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