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May 29, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-77
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The open thread for other issues is here.
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Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 29 2022 23:23 utc | 101 The Macron/Scholz phone call to Putin was strange. They “urged” him to negotiate. They even “insisted” he release POWs. Obviously we are not getting the whole story. Did they check with Biden before they called? What kind of leverage do they think they have? Posted by: Olivier | May 29 2022 23:24 utc | 102 Video on Russian anti-roof anti-tank mines PTKM-1R: Posted by: njet | May 29 2022 23:30 utc | 103 Posted by: Olivier | May 29 2022 23:24 utc | 102 Posted by: watcher | May 29 2022 23:36 utc | 104 Peter Posted by: watcher | May 29 2022 23:44 utc | 105 That is why I think Russia will not advance towards Odessa and will most likely pull its forces out of Kharkov oblast. Part of the negotiated settlement with the new government in Kiev will be that regions hold referendums. Posted by: Olivier | May 29 2022 23:52 utc | 106 watcher | May 29 2022 23:44 utc | 105 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 29 2022 23:56 utc | 107 Olivier | May 29 2022 23:52 utc | 106 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 0:03 utc | 109 Either they admit that these officers (and they would have been senior officers) were acting on the orders of their governments and therefore POWs or they are treated as mercenaries and therefore criminals. Posted by: Olivier | May 30 2022 0:04 utc | 110 When Russia went into Syria, it hit hard without trying to discriminate between ‘moderate rebels and terrorists. After suitable shock and awe, Russia began separating the Syrian militias from the extremists and moderating in their reconciliation. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 0:09 utc | 111 Interview from five days ago with Colonel Douglas Macgregor (one of the very few people Martyanov respects) by Judge Napolitano… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 30 2022 0:10 utc | 112 So many here seem to Bolt on a large mustache and pick up a big hammer. Putin’s track record is ignored. Posted by: Olivier | May 30 2022 0:11 utc | 113 Posted by: Olivier | May 29 2022 23:52 utc | 106 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 30 2022 0:12 utc | 114 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 30 2022 0:12 utc | 114 Posted by: Olivier | May 30 2022 0:21 utc | 115 peter Posted by: watcher | May 30 2022 0:23 utc | 116 @RSH the person quoted in your post @87 is not a government official. He is offering an opinion, not government policy. Mr. Lavrov is a government official. You disagree with or don’t understand what Lavrov said – fine. Everyone here already knows your opinion on the matter, but it is just that – your opinion, nothing more. I think that quite a few people agree that if there is a practical, effective way to de-nazify western Ukraine that would be a helpful thing, but so far no official statements support the idea that this is something that is being practically contemplated by the Russian government. I believe there was a suggestion that the Russian military planners are set up to react to and take advantage of the situation on the ground as it develops. It is very clear that at this point they are focused on the Donbass front. Beyond that there is no solid information about what comes next from a military perspective, only the objectives laid out by VP at the start of the operation. It may be that there are dozens of contingency plans for various scenarios, but one will not be chosen until the east army is defeated or run out of the Donbass. I am also sure that whatever plan there is, or will be, that it will not be advertised ahead of time – we will be left to infer from actions taken what it is. I am also sure that they want to keep Kiev guessing about what comes next. Posted by: the pessimist | May 30 2022 0:40 utc | 117 The problem is that the US miss calculated the level of West’s economy destruction. Posted by: vetinLA | May 30 2022 0:40 utc | 118 Let me list a few ‘principles’: Posted by: blues | May 30 2022 0:54 utc | 119 People can’t comprehend that the statements from various Russian officials are frequently misleading. No Russian official says more than than he has to. They aren’t Biden blurting out actual intentions because of loss of mental control. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 30 2022 1:02 utc | 120 These people just come out of the woodwork. I suspect some of them are being paid to do so. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 30 2022 1:04 utc | 121 Peter Posted by: watcher | May 30 2022 1:20 utc | 122 My 2 cents…Russia may choose to settle for peace without marching all the way to Poland but that choice guarantees they’ll be fighting the West again within 10 years. Posted by: Goodyear | May 30 2022 1:33 utc | 123 “Your ass is grass and I’m a lawnmower.” Posted by: jonku | May 30 2022 1:41 utc | 124 So long as the Ukraine East continues to attack the West, Russia retains the option to attack anything in the East. If they stop the attack, then Russia will probably push toward Poland. Posted by: blues | May 30 2022 1:42 utc | 125 There should be a Moon of Alabama betting pool…How far into Ukraine will the Russian Military go? Posted by: Haassaan | May 30 2022 1:47 utc | 126 I see that the West still has no plan B and that is a pity, because by increasing the quality and quantity of weapons supplied to Ukraine, they will sooner or later force Russia to take even more spectacular measures. Posted by: Marjorie | May 30 2022 1:48 utc | 127 As we discussed before the SMO, Russia has no real interest in owning or administering Ukraine. Posted by: jonku | May 30 2022 1:55 utc | 128 Down South | May 29 2022 18:15 utc | 43 Posted by: David G Horsman | May 30 2022 2:13 utc | 130 Martyanov’s “talking head” for today… An explanation of how tactics are calculated on the lower levels of the command structure and how the West’s narrative is changing as the SMO proceeds. In other words, forget your war movies. Highly recommended. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 30 2022 2:16 utc | 131 Raute @ 94 : Posted by: Garry Owen | May 30 2022 2:29 utc | 132 Peter AU1@84 Posted by: Immaculate deception | May 30 2022 2:36 utc | 133 Seems there are more military experts here than in the Russian command structure. Perhaps they should read this blog’s comment section to see what they should really be doing to better prosecute this war? I note the blog author doesn’t go down this road. Posted by: Organic | May 30 2022 2:42 utc | 134 Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 20:45 utc | 72 Immaculate deception | May 30 2022 2:36 utc | 133 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 3:02 utc | 137 Today’s video from A. Martyanov: “We don’t know what Kremlin’s military plan is.” I guess some people here have more insight than he does. Posted by: the pessimist | May 30 2022 3:05 utc | 138 Posted by: Scorpion | May 30 2022 2:54 utc | 136 Posted by: John Kennard | May 30 2022 3:09 utc | 139 watcher, Immaculate deception Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 3:15 utc | 140 Posted by: njet | May 29 2022 22:47 utc | 95 Peter Posted by: watcher | May 30 2022 3:32 utc | 142 Some maniac named Pattberg wrote several articles recently for the Saker that indicate Japan noses out Germany in the Crushed US Tool Sweepstakes. Russell Bentley never said no such thing. In 2014, Bentley saw a woman with her two legs blown off by the Nazis. She asked for a phone to call her relatives, but died looking up at the camera. Bentley left Texas and fought with the people of the Donbass. He points out the murderous atrocities of the western backed Nazis and is a citizen of Russia. Just listening to The Duran’s last Q&A. Someone asked them to put together a show with Ritter and Martyanov! Yes! They agreed that would be a good idea. Now let’s see whether they have the nerve to do it – and whether either party has the nerve to do it – and how they behave if they do it. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 30 2022 3:47 utc | 145 Russia simply must take Mykolaiv & Odessa and connect a land-bridge too Transnistria – at this point it has little choice. Posted by: Julian | May 30 2022 3:57 utc | 146 Martyanov has a good deal of respect for Ritter and I think that will be mutual. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 4:10 utc | 147 That comment above was meant for jonku. watcher | May 30 2022 3:32 utc | 142 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 4:36 utc | 149 For a bit of levity… Posted by: Seer | May 30 2022 4:57 utc | 150 Karl luck | May 30 2022 4:23 utc | 148 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 4:59 utc | 151 lots of speculation… you guys are worse then astrologers and fortune tellers, lol… my advice… watch and pay attention… it is unpredictable at this point.. Posted by: james | May 30 2022 5:29 utc | 152 james | May 30 2022 5:29 utc | 152 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 5:52 utc | 153 james Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 5:55 utc | 154 From Andrei Martyanov’s Reminiscence blog, regarding Empire’s “unfolding military catastrophe”:
Russia has zero incentive to go nuclear. Nobody can prevent Russia from blowing up whatever it feels necessary to make the point: Do not launch missiles at Moscow (and do not march on Moscow either). Say Russia decides to hit US military assets emphatically this time, with no warning (unlike the time Iran retaliated for Soleimani’s murder)? Then what? Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 30 2022 5:56 utc | 155 Aleph_Null | May 30 2022 5:56 utc | 155 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 6:06 utc | 156 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | May 30 2022 6:43 utc | 157 “If Russia whacked a US missile base Romania or Poland, the response would be like a 60 year old prostitute crying rape. No one would care. Posted by: Hausmeister | May 30 2022 6:47 utc | 158 Gonzalo Lira invites captured British mercenary to Youtube livestream! Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 6:52 utc | 159 Hi, this is the first time I got acquainted with your site. You published very valuable content. It was really useful and they will definitely introduce it to my friends. Good luck. Posted by: کمپرسور اسکرو | May 30 2022 7:08 utc | 160 This ‘Gonzalo Lira” character is unbelievable. Is this some weird kind of joke? Posted by: blues | May 30 2022 7:22 utc | 161 Is anyone following the YouTube site “War in the Ukraine”? It’s not obvious Ukrainian baloney. However he argues that Russia has “shot its bolt” and its forces are exhuasted leading to stalemate. The recent Ukrainian drive just east of Kherson, the site’s narrator claims, is stalled but is aimed to unhinge the entire Kherson front. So Russia is stuck in the mud and must either mobilize, use tactical nukes or make peace. The military variables of this war are unclear to anyone from the outside (probably unclear to many on the inside) so the basic narrative can be given a twist. The question is whether this channel is a subtle part of the Kyiv propoganda effort or whether the gent is making arguable points. Any opinions? Posted by: Eric Bergerud | May 30 2022 7:27 utc | 162 @Garry Owen #132 Posted by: rk | May 30 2022 7:32 utc | 163 There seems to be a misunderstanding about Lavrovs words. Which have been cut up by the MSM and Anti-Russians: Posted by: Stonebird | May 30 2022 7:39 utc | 164 Over the past day in the Donetsk People’s Republic, shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine killed 4 civilians and injured 20 more, including children. Posted by: rk | May 30 2022 7:51 utc | 165 @blues | May 30 2022 7:22 utc | 161
The ‘joke’ is that British mercenary Aden Aslin publishes youtube videos from captivity. Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 7:56 utc | 166 @ Eric Bergerud | May 30 2022 7:27 utc | 162 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 30 2022 8:15 utc | 167 Washington also actively encouraged uprisings in Warsaw Pact countries promising to send military help if the people just acted. Washington then shamelessly left the revolutionaries in the lurch. And then even worse, used the victims for propaganda thereafter. Posted by: exile | May 30 2022 8:19 utc | 168 Ref: “Tom Huck” A HREF=”https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/05/ukraine-open-thread-2022-77.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0278807f7553200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0278807f7553200d”>9 I know that you’re trying to shill your book but you quite evidently know nothing about Thailand or Thai politics – talking to your drunken expat mates in Pattaya girly bars is hardly ‘research’. ‘Raping local girls in Sattahip’ indeed! – I live very close by (no, not Pattaya or ‘Moscow by the sea’ Jomtien) and I’d love to see your evidence and so would the police. BTW the torture chambers where the ‘rendering’ was done were in the basement of the US embassy in Wireless Road, Bangkok and the rendition flights were from the ex US airforce base at U Tapao, not Isaan. Posted by: Kevin | May 30 2022 8:57 utc | 169 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 29 2022 23:56 utc | 107
The Plan:
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 30 2022 9:45 utc | 170 Kevin.. agree. (I’m in Phuket). Thai coup right wing Nazis? Not mentioned was that when Thaksin was excommunicated, Murika and UK threatened sanctions unless Western style ‘democracy’ was immediately restored.. clearly indicating who had paid for/organized//trained the massive protests, and paid off the voters.. much as in Hong Kong. Sound familiar? Posted by: Thomas Turk | May 30 2022 10:43 utc | 171 .PetriK sez.. I just don’t see Russia taking another city militarily…” based on your chats with the Russian Military Intel chief, and your front line experience in Serbia, Libya and Congo, eh? Any way, thanks for the leaky, leak.. guess that makes another sleepless night. Posted by: Thomas Turk | May 30 2022 10:50 utc | 172 Ooh how exciting. The elensky regime counter attacks ! No more rout from Stalingrad! Posted by: Dungeon | May 30 2022 11:00 utc | 173 Posted by: bottle | May 29 2022 20:44 utc | 71 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 30 2022 11:02 utc | 174 On Friday Igor Kirillov gave another presentation on US-funded biolabs in Ukraine, the second since the invasion began. It concerns what has been discovered since certain documents fell into Russian hands. At the end he calls on the WHO to investigate biolabs in Nigeria for release of the Monkeypox virus. Thanks MOA for the increase in crazies posting today Posted by: K | May 30 2022 11:25 utc | 176 JohninMK | May 29 2022 20:08 utc | 67 Posted by: Raute | May 30 2022 11:30 utc | 177 The US/UK aren’t going to back off until they feel threatened. Posted by: D J G | May 30 2022 11:31 utc | 178 Petri Krohn @ 170 Posted by: oldhippie | May 30 2022 11:44 utc | 179 Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 7:56 utc | 166 Posted by: migueljose | May 30 2022 11:44 utc | 180 @K | May 30 2022 11:25 utc | 176
So in your opinion, this is fake too I presume? Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 11:51 utc | 181 Ref: “Tom Huck” Posted by: anon2020 | May 30 2022 11:56 utc | 182 @migueljose | May 30 2022 11:44 utc | 180
If true, Aslin is a proper POW (even if a despicable one). Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 12:04 utc | 183 Organic@134…we do know what Russia’s objectives are. Its been stated repeatedly by Lavrov, Putin et al. What they did not give anyone anywhere was a set piece time line. ACG gamers can put the controller down and head off to bed, where all ACGs go after a long slog at the keyboard. Do not fret, the Russians are coming. One can be with them, that’s me, or one can hide in a factory basement. As for turning off the pain, that’s an Orc issue, the 14,000 Ukrainians who died over the past 8 years do get a say. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 30 2022 12:06 utc | 184 So in your opinion, this is fake too I presume? Posted by: K | May 30 2022 12:09 utc | 185 marks you out as a giant POS. Posted by: K | May 30 2022 12:11 utc | 186 And what a confession! Two heads of State asking for the release of nazi mass murderers. Supporting nazi mass murderers. Posted by: Martina | May 30 2022 12:14 utc | 187 Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 6:52 utc | 159 Posted by: sln2002 | May 30 2022 12:21 utc | 189 What’s a POS? Posted by: sln2002 | May 30 2022 12:22 utc | 190 As it has often been repeated before in modern mobile war complete with spotter drones. Sitting in a trench means you are just another soft target for the next smart shell. Or, air to ground smart glide bomb or next missile. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 30 2022 12:34 utc | 191 Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 7:56 utc | 166 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 30 2022 12:41 utc | 192 “…Washington wants the siege of cities. Even smaller cities as Popasna must be leveled. Then it looks like the war Washington wants to sell. It is a game of appearances and fictions….. Posted by: bevin | May 30 2022 12:45 utc | 193 John Goss | May 30 2022 11:06 utc | 175 Posted by: Peter B | May 30 2022 13:00 utc | 194 Transcript of the full Lavrov interview by French TV channel TF1.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 13:08 utc | 195 Clown world: Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 13:14 utc | 196 ah, a lovely morning, and our lords and masters haven’t managed to blunder us into a nuclear war yet. win win, what a time to be alive. Posted by: pretzelattack | May 30 2022 13:20 utc | 197 Two interesting articles on the military campaign in Ukraine. Posted by: bevin | May 30 2022 13:23 utc | 198 @ Rune Denmark | May 29 2022 14:33 utc | 1 Posted by: Figleaf23 | May 30 2022 13:30 utc | 199 @ njet | May 29 2022 16:28 utc | 15 Posted by: Figleaf23 | May 30 2022 13:50 utc | 200 |
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