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May 29, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-77

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Latest Russian MoD briefing…

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.
High-precision long-range missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces have destroyed a large arsenal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces at an enterprise’s storage site in Krivoi Rog, Dnipropetrovsk Region.
During the day, high-precision air-based missiles have hit 3 command posts, 25 areas of AFU manpower and military equipment concentration and 2 artillery batteries at firing positions.
1 Osa-AKM anti-aircraft missile launcher near Nikolaevka, Donetsk People-s Republic, 1 air target detection and tracking radar near Boguslavka, Kharkov Region, and 5 ammunition depots near Krasnogorovka, Pokrovskoe, Donetsk People’s Republic, Severodonetsk, Lugansk People’s Republic, and Bezrukov, Kharkov Region, have been destroyed.
Operational-tactical, army and unmanned aviation have hit 2 command posts, as well as 53 areas of concentration of AFU manpower and military equipment.
The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 300 nationalists and up to 50 AFU military and special equipment.
Russian air defence means have shot down 1 Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian air force near Novogrigorovka, Dnepropetrovsk Region, in mid-air.
4 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been shot down near Malye Prokhody, Pitomnik in Kharkov Region, Mirolyubovka in Dnepropetrovsk Region and Nizhnyaya Krynka in Donetsk People’s Republic.
1 Ukrainian Smerch multiple rocket has been intercepted near Malaya Kamyshevakha, Kharkov Region.
Missile troops and artillery have hit 62 command posts, 596 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 52 positions of artillery and mortar units of Ukrainian nationalists.
In total, 183 Ukrainian aircraft and 128 helicopters, 1,049 unmanned aerial vehicles, 325 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,309 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 447 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,722 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,270 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.
#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 29 2022 23:23 utc | 101

The Macron/Scholz phone call to Putin was strange. They “urged” him to negotiate. They even “insisted” he release POWs. Obviously we are not getting the whole story. Did they check with Biden before they called? What kind of leverage do they think they have?
Posted by: dh | May 29 2022 15:55 utc | 10

It was not strange, it was completely stupid to ask for the release of the nazi azov “evacuated” people. But thanks for admitting that they surrendered unconditionally.
And what a confession! Two heads of State asking for the release of nazi mass murderers. Supporting nazi mass murderers.
So that they could resume killing Russian people… That is a kind of complicity.

Posted by: Olivier | May 29 2022 23:24 utc | 102

Video on Russian anti-roof anti-tank mines PTKM-1R:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqtFhqSNubY

Posted by: njet | May 29 2022 23:30 utc | 103

Posted by: Olivier | May 29 2022 23:24 utc | 102
I suspect that Macron and Scholtz were not interested in the AZOV mob but in the hundreds? of French and German military personnel amongst the 2500 who surrendered. They are caught in a bind. Either they admit that these officers (and they would have been senior officers) were acting on the orders of their governments and therefore POWs or they are treated as mercenaries and therefore criminals.
If they admit they were still serving officers, NATO direct involvement in the war is confirmed. If I were Russia I would release (or exchange as POWs) only where their country of origin admits publicly they were actively engaged in the war as soldiers of NATO.

Posted by: watcher | May 29 2022 23:36 utc | 104

Peter
I pretty much agree with you except about Odessa. It seems to me that this is a critically important centre. I think Russia would be wise (if this is militarily possible) to take control of Odessa and possibly Nikoleyev. By the look of today’s shelling I suspect Russia is planning to get control of these two.

Posted by: watcher | May 29 2022 23:44 utc | 105

That is why I think Russia will not advance towards Odessa and will most likely pull its forces out of Kharkov oblast. Part of the negotiated settlement with the new government in Kiev will be that regions hold referendums.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 29 2022 21:52 utc | 84>

Ludicrous. Which new government? No negotiation is possible with the nazis and their supports. Everyone knows what is happening when Russian troops are retiring. Cf. Butcha. Referenda could be held only when the nazis will be liquidated. For Kherson and Zaporoje there is already no way back, without a referendum.
The referendum was already held on the 17 March 1991.

Posted by: Olivier | May 29 2022 23:52 utc | 106

watcher | May 29 2022 23:44 utc | 105
watcher, I just don’t see Russia taking another city militarily. Mariupol was critical – land corridor, Azov, Bio weapon lab, and I think a nato headquarters. The first phase was pure military, but now I think we have to start looking along Sun Tzu lines.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 29 2022 23:56 utc | 107

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Posted by: Lavieja | May 30 2022 0:00 utc | 108

Olivier | May 29 2022 23:52 utc | 106
So many here seem to Bolt on a large mustache and pick up a big hammer. Putin’s track record is ignored.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 0:03 utc | 109

Either they admit that these officers (and they would have been senior officers) were acting on the orders of their governments and therefore POWs or they are treated as mercenaries and therefore criminals.
Posted by: watcher | May 29 2022 23:36 utc | 104

As neither France nor Germany is at war with Russia, citizens from both countries cannot be POW. Unfortunately we know nothing of prisonners of foreign countries. We only know that 6 foreign languages were spoken inside Azovstal. So anything else is guess work.
My guess (value close to zero like all guesses): Zelensky was obliged to order the surrender of the Ukrainians and nazis to save the foreigners after a deal decided between nazi supporting countries and Russia.

Posted by: Olivier | May 30 2022 0:04 utc | 110

When Russia went into Syria, it hit hard without trying to discriminate between ‘moderate rebels and terrorists. After suitable shock and awe, Russia began separating the Syrian militias from the extremists and moderating in their reconciliation.
In Ukraine we are now seeing Russia separating the average/normal Ukraine military from the extremists/nationalists.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 0:09 utc | 111

Interview from five days ago with Colonel Douglas Macgregor (one of the very few people Martyanov respects) by Judge Napolitano…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7puJrsJC0

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 30 2022 0:10 utc | 112

So many here seem to Bolt on a large mustache and pick up a big hammer. Putin’s track record is ignored.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 0:03 utc | 109

Putin ordered a SODD, that is a Special Operation for Demilitarisation and Denazification of Ukraine. It is underway. You were implying that the plan had changed.
Am I wrong?

Posted by: Olivier | May 30 2022 0:11 utc | 113

Posted by: Olivier | May 29 2022 23:52 utc | 106
Wasting your time. I gave up. There are some people who clearly don’t want Russia to take a comprehensive solution for their own reasons. We can only speculate what those might be.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 30 2022 0:12 utc | 114

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 30 2022 0:12 utc | 114
I agree.
Wait and see. Currently I am satisfied with what I see happening in Donbass. Comments about the future… Quite usually it is not what was forecasted.

Posted by: Olivier | May 30 2022 0:21 utc | 115

peter
i agree sort of but i suspect after the sinking of the moscva and also the weird battle for snake island odessa has more importance.

Posted by: watcher | May 30 2022 0:23 utc | 116

@RSH the person quoted in your post @87 is not a government official. He is offering an opinion, not government policy. Mr. Lavrov is a government official. You disagree with or don’t understand what Lavrov said – fine. Everyone here already knows your opinion on the matter, but it is just that – your opinion, nothing more. I think that quite a few people agree that if there is a practical, effective way to de-nazify western Ukraine that would be a helpful thing, but so far no official statements support the idea that this is something that is being practically contemplated by the Russian government. I believe there was a suggestion that the Russian military planners are set up to react to and take advantage of the situation on the ground as it develops. It is very clear that at this point they are focused on the Donbass front. Beyond that there is no solid information about what comes next from a military perspective, only the objectives laid out by VP at the start of the operation. It may be that there are dozens of contingency plans for various scenarios, but one will not be chosen until the east army is defeated or run out of the Donbass. I am also sure that whatever plan there is, or will be, that it will not be advertised ahead of time – we will be left to infer from actions taken what it is. I am also sure that they want to keep Kiev guessing about what comes next.

Posted by: the pessimist | May 30 2022 0:40 utc | 117

The problem is that the US miss calculated the level of West’s economy destruction.
Posted by: Milos | May 29 2022 21:04 utc | 76
Has it? I for one did not assume that US and the “West” share the same goal. Does an apex predator sympathize with its prey? Nuland said …
Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 21:18 utc | 80
Well said, and the answer is; NO

Posted by: vetinLA | May 30 2022 0:40 utc | 118

Let me list a few ‘principles’:
1) poison pill principle[]
2) “you want a piece of that” principle[]
3) the West’s ‘ass is grass’ principle[]
I have been following Scott Ritter’s arguments, and he has stated that (perhaps) the West will opt for a ‘bleed Russia dry’ strategy. That seems very likely. However I do take note that the Russians have been conducting an amazingly low-cost ‘hang-in and just keep slugging’ operation in Syria. Maybe that is what they plan in the Ukraine? I can see how they could pull it off.
First there is the ‘poison pill principle’: Eastern Ukraine is a veritable poison pill, chock-full of hyper-corruption and even Nazis! So, who wants ‘a piece of that’ (this was a lewd expression that older male workers used to mess with my head when I was a young fellow and hot girls were present). Well, Western Ukraine is analogous to a hot girl with syphilis plus incurable gonorrhea. Does Russia really want a piece of that?
So I imagine that Russia may opt to just continue defending:
1) the Donetsk Republics[]
2) the water supply to Crimea[]
3) a ‘land bridge’ to Crimea[]
4) maybe a few other things, including all the nuclear reactors[]
Maybe the Russians expect to ‘hang-in and just keep slugging’ to protect these assets. After all, the ‘sanctions’ have boomeranged horrifically, and the West is the one that is bleeding out. It really looks like the West’s ‘ass is grass’ (an old expression for an ass kicking). In fact Europe is staring down the barrel of a serious economic depression. What will they think of NATO if that happens? Do you supposed all the homeless folks in the U.S.A. are going to be content with the $40 billion (actually about $53 billion) dollars being thrown to the Ukraine crooks and Nazis? It begins to look like the Russians are getting by while the West is bleeding out.

Posted by: blues | May 30 2022 0:54 utc | 119

People can’t comprehend that the statements from various Russian officials are frequently misleading. No Russian official says more than than he has to. They aren’t Biden blurting out actual intentions because of loss of mental control.
When it comes to overall policy – particularly when directed at the West – one can take Russian officials GOALS as precisely stated. What one can NOT take as precisely stated are the MEANS to those goals.
As an example, the draft treaties provided in December, 2021, were precise GOALS. What was stated as actions to be taken if they were rejected was the vague “military-technical measures.” What the fuck does that mean? People were puzzling over that for months and speculating on all sorts of stuff, including ridiculous bullshit like unilaterally attacking NATO countries.
Random comments like Lavrov’s “the Ukrainian people will decide” say absolutely NOTHING about Russia’s intended actions. Read. My. Lips. NOTHING.
There are a number of people here who don’t want Russia to take comprehensive actions to insure Russia’s security. They don’t want to think through what would logically be the necessary steps to do that. I suspect they’re simply afraid that Russia will do those things because they are afraid of the possible geopolitical consequences (which might include WWIII).
In short, the usual response of human beings to almost every problem is cognitive dissonance. They can’t accept the outcome, so they say the outcome isn’t possible, and they will make up whatever bullshit is necessary to support that position. Nonetheless it remains emotional bullshit.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 30 2022 1:02 utc | 120

These people just come out of the woodwork. I suspect some of them are being paid to do so.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 30 2022 1:04 utc | 121

Peter
it seems that both the donbass republics will be fully defended and kherson already is essentially part of Russia like Crimea.
i am inclined to agree that zaporizia and kharkov will be allowed to choose. just not sure about the black Sea ports

Posted by: watcher | May 30 2022 1:20 utc | 122

My 2 cents…Russia may choose to settle for peace without marching all the way to Poland but that choice guarantees they’ll be fighting the West again within 10 years.

Posted by: Goodyear | May 30 2022 1:33 utc | 123

“Your ass is grass and I’m a lawnmower.”
As for Ukraine … Texas Bentley recently said his wish is that the Donbas Republics do not join Russia. They were already refused once.
“Russia does not do regime change.”
The reason to keep Donbas as part of Ukraine is that it has millions of voters sympathetic to Russia, anti-Nazis.
My assumption is that it will take a long time, a year or years, and that Ukraine will retain its existing borders, but elect a functional government with stated peaceful intentions towards Russia.
More details to come.

Posted by: jonku | May 30 2022 1:41 utc | 124

So long as the Ukraine East continues to attack the West, Russia retains the option to attack anything in the East. If they stop the attack, then Russia will probably push toward Poland.

Posted by: blues | May 30 2022 1:42 utc | 125

There should be a Moon of Alabama betting pool…How far into Ukraine will the Russian Military go?
I’d put my money on everything East of The Dneiper but no further. Keep Kherson but no Odessa.
@123 I don’t think the West will have the capability in ten years to be anything more than a nuclear armed nuisance.

Posted by: Haassaan | May 30 2022 1:47 utc | 126

I see that the West still has no plan B and that is a pity, because by increasing the quality and quantity of weapons supplied to Ukraine, they will sooner or later force Russia to take even more spectacular measures.
If at one point Russia thinks that she will inevitably be forced to the last conventionnal strike in this war, then she will do it immediately.
No amount of propaganda can stop hypersonic missiles, if the West doesn’t change direction they will have no other option than a defeat or a suicide bombing on the world.
I would like to believe that Europe has chosen economic suicide by wisdom.

Posted by: Marjorie | May 30 2022 1:48 utc | 127

As we discussed before the SMO, Russia has no real interest in owning or administering Ukraine.
Their best option would be a successful and healthy Ukraine, which requires the wealthy and educated East, not to mention the rich farmlands. There are fuel resources as well.
Ukrainians who did not flee to Russia seem patriotic, and they will have homes, businesses and farms which tie them to their homeland.
Removing the Nazis and the military tool of the criminal government will allow a functional state to redevelop. Denazification and demilitarization. A sane government will realize the idiocy of joining NATO — that would simply result in the continuance of the SMO.

Posted by: jonku | May 30 2022 1:55 utc | 128

@86 Not me. I don’t use twitter.

Posted by: dh | May 30 2022 2:08 utc | 129

Down South | May 29 2022 18:15 utc | 43
“However, the children who were with her said that this Nazi shot their parents and threatened to kill them.
Now she is waiting for his harsh sentence”
If someone were to ask me how evil the Nazis are I would use this example (if it turns out to be true). Pure evil?
I keep thinking this must be propaganda but often truth is worse than fiction.

Posted by: David G Horsman | May 30 2022 2:13 utc | 130

Martyanov’s “talking head” for today… An explanation of how tactics are calculated on the lower levels of the command structure and how the West’s narrative is changing as the SMO proceeds. In other words, forget your war movies. Highly recommended.
A Change of Narrative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWN4pCBCw54

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 30 2022 2:16 utc | 131

Raute @ 94 :
Ukraine is shelling with the new western howitzers last few ours intensivly residential areas in Donetsk.The civilians on the russian side are now paying the price for the fact that RF are not attacking supply lines from Poland and Slovakia.
Source and citation??? OR GTFO!

Posted by: Garry Owen | May 30 2022 2:29 utc | 132

Peter AU1@84
Peter, o have to disagree with you. Russia has no choice but to take Odessa and Transnistria. Strategically, they cannot leave a hostile force in the Black Sea. Respectfully yours.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | May 30 2022 2:36 utc | 133

Seems there are more military experts here than in the Russian command structure. Perhaps they should read this blog’s comment section to see what they should really be doing to better prosecute this war? I note the blog author doesn’t go down this road.
Fact is we don’t know what the Russians will do after they achieve Donbas liberation, what their strategic objectives are, how far they feel they can keep the West physically out of it. Of course Ukraine may simply refuse to negotiate after the Donbas falls in which case the Russians may not be able to turn off the war even if that was their preference.

Posted by: Organic | May 30 2022 2:42 utc | 134

1 HOUR AGO
Mine clearance effort in LPR city of Severodonetsk 70% complete — Kadyrov

Posted by: Josh | May 30 2022 2:47 utc | 135

Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 20:45 utc | 72
There have been reports – I seem to recall remarks by Lavrov – of various Latin American countries and Arab countries expressing interest.
I overreached with Japan and Korea I guess but was just imagining what they might feel like if/when the Western bloc economy starts tanking and/or they are being asked to keep boycotting trade with Eurasia which is growing.
In terms of history and post WWII order etc., this is a time of reset. The Russians are no longer the communists who closed one half of Europe off from another and raped millions of Germans. The Germans are no longer Nazis. The English no longer have an Empire. The EU no longer has the slightest forward momentum nor a single gifted leader. The US is no longer an inspiration to the world or even to herself. And so on. So maybe Japan and China can make up like France and Germany did decades ago. And maybe Korea and Japan the same. Because maybe they would like to get on board the multipolar train.
But then again: maybe not.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 30 2022 2:54 utc | 136

Immaculate deception | May 30 2022 2:36 utc | 133
I think it is very doubtful the Zelensky government can survive the military defeat and loss of Donbas plus Kherson. To top it off, by that time, there may well be 100,000 men that their families will never see again.
I do think part of current Russian strategy is aimed at the Ukrainian people, and no doubt the Ukrainian regular military changing their government. If/When this occurs we will be looking at a different picture.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 3:02 utc | 137

Today’s video from A. Martyanov: “We don’t know what Kremlin’s military plan is.” I guess some people here have more insight than he does.
My guess is that the military operation will proceed to the Dniper plus the Black sea coast and Odessa by New Years absent a capitulation and acceptable political settlement. Beyond that – ??

Posted by: the pessimist | May 30 2022 3:05 utc | 138

Posted by: Scorpion | May 30 2022 2:54 utc | 136
Some maniac named Pattberg wrote several articles recently for the Saker that indicate Japan noses out Germany in the Crushed US Tool Sweepstakes.

Posted by: John Kennard | May 30 2022 3:09 utc | 139

watcher, Immaculate deception
Poverty breeds problems. I think Russia would prefer a neutral moderately prosperous neighbor and access to the sea for exports and imports helps in that way. The entire black sea coast may well go to Russia but every way I look at it, that does not seem to be a target or goal. Snake island now belongs to Russia. That only holds military value so is part of demilitarization. I’ll see how I go on that last one but that’s my thoughts.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 3:15 utc | 140

Posted by: njet | May 29 2022 22:47 utc | 95
“In other words: They want to “bleed russia white”.
May be the Russian slow and conservative warfare in Donbass sounds like: Let’s see who bleeds white whom?”
Interesting presentation, thanks. You said at the beginning that you didn’t think RF was going slow in order to stretch out the economic war etc. Not that it matters, but I agree. I would add though that I think the pace is mainly determined by the tactics which involve dealing with an extremely well dug in and surprisingly valiant foe. They could achieve a more rapid military victory perhaps with more high-powered bombardment and mass slaughter but then they would only conquer a wasteland and achieve victory without honour.
But dragging out the politico-economic torture of the West no doubt provides added incentive to taking it slow.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 30 2022 3:30 utc | 141

Peter
i think that originally Russia only intended to get land access to Crimea and to secure the republics but i rather suspect this has changed because of the response of the west

Posted by: watcher | May 30 2022 3:32 utc | 142

Some maniac named Pattberg wrote several articles recently for the Saker that indicate Japan noses out Germany in the Crushed US Tool Sweepstakes.
Posted by: John Kennard | May 30 2022 3:09 utc | 139
Exactly. All the more reason why – if things actually do go pear-shaped, that Germany and Japan might start to reconsider their options. I expect Germany to move first because of their proximity, dependency on industry and urgent need for Russian gas. Avoiding a rapprochement because of deference to US control is going to cost them more and more each quarter and create more and more impetus from within the country for the German people themselves to get more involved and demand more from their leaders.
Japan is a very different situation but they are a great people and at some point will find a way to choose the best way forward for themselves and the world.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 30 2022 3:35 utc | 143

Russell Bentley never said no such thing. In 2014, Bentley saw a woman with her two legs blown off by the Nazis. She asked for a phone to call her relatives, but died looking up at the camera. Bentley left Texas and fought with the people of the Donbass. He points out the murderous atrocities of the western backed Nazis and is a citizen of Russia.
In many freed areas they have adopted the ruble and want to be a part of Russia. They blame Russia for not coming to their rescue in 2014. You can pick any fabricated bullshit from the thousands of lies that come out from the west, but I deal in facts.
The entire Eastern Ukraine must be taken and that includes Odessa, which I believe is part of Eastern Ukraine. The western Ukraine is for USA/ NATO to fix, after all you brought this on.
But since you never ever built back anything that you have destroyed; good luck to the west.

Posted by: Karl luck | May 30 2022 3:42 utc | 144

Just listening to The Duran’s last Q&A. Someone asked them to put together a show with Ritter and Martyanov! Yes! They agreed that would be a good idea. Now let’s see whether they have the nerve to do it – and whether either party has the nerve to do it – and how they behave if they do it.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 30 2022 3:47 utc | 145

Russia simply must take Mykolaiv & Odessa and connect a land-bridge too Transnistria – at this point it has little choice.
At that point I would then sell peace by inviting Poland, Romania & Hungary to take bites out of Western Ukraine leaving a rump around Kiev in the middle that Russia would ‘control’ without the need for a military occupation.
At that point there would (or should) be a ‘Conference of Interested Parties’ to decide the fate of Ukraine.
Who are the ‘Interested Parties’?
They are (in order of importance): Russia, Ukraine, Poland, Moldova, Romania, Hungary, Belarus & Slovakia – in other words – Ukraine and all its neighbors.
Who is not an ‘Interested Party’? Any of the following: US, UK, EU, NATO, France, Germany or anyone else.
These 8 countries should hold a conference and come up with a comprehensive solution without any ‘Western’ meddling.

Posted by: Julian | May 30 2022 3:57 utc | 146

Martyanov has a good deal of respect for Ritter and I think that will be mutual.
At this point, military perspective has little bearing on both the bigger picture of Russia’s stated objectives in Ukraine, and the larger picture of the China Russia joint statement.
Military is a tool to be used sparingly – the right amount of pressure at the right points to achieve a political/physiological objective.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 4:10 utc | 147

That comment above was meant for jonku.
Any idea that Ukraine will remain whole is entirely up to Russia and nobody else. The rabid racist Poles were told by the bosses in America to never set foot into Ukraine. Keep listening to the never ending BS if that’s what make some feel better.
This Summer many will start to realize that inflation, prices and shortages skyrocket, will cause protests in the entire west.
The reasons why you constantly call Russia is to BEG. But keep listening to your masters then coming out and telling you how they put Russia in it’s place. That is the sum total of the illiteracy and ignorance in the west.
I strongly suggest that in your feeling of superiority you go and attack China. China does not need Russia’s help to take care of you and vice- versa.
Some stats 2021: DW says Germany they want to end trade with China- trade to Europe 690 billion, USA 678 billion- tariffs by Trump caused 1.5 trillion in losses to America and 240,000 jobs, Canada 80 billion in trade to China.
China trade to Asia was 800 billion, Africa and the rest of the world another sum. So go and screw yourselves with all your big talk. They China, not you, can drop you and you and the West and you can sell inferior weapons to one another, or cars. Just not in China. Japan learnt that lesson years ago, when the Chinese stopped buying Japanese cars and products.

Posted by: Karl luck | May 30 2022 4:23 utc | 148

watcher | May 30 2022 3:32 utc | 142
watcher, I’m not sure that Russian plans were changed, but they certainly were surprised by the instant rabid Russiaphobic response. A hatred in the AngloEuro west that overrode their economies. It was like Russia pulled back a curtain and saw blind hatred.
I do think Russia very much hardened its attitude when Russian POW’s were tortured and killed openly and online. A willingness to grind down (PC for killing and maiming) Ukraine military to achieve a psychological objective.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 4:36 utc | 149

For a bit of levity…
Gary Brecher writes on his remembrances of NATO during his younger days. It’s a worthy read not only for the comical writing, but that he raises excellent points about the pathetic logic that has always been the underpinnings of NATO (and the US).
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/05/the-war-nerd-nato-a-memoir.html

Posted by: Seer | May 30 2022 4:57 utc | 150

Karl luck | May 30 2022 4:23 utc | 148
Keep your enemies close. China leaves it will tear the guts out of the US and Europe. As though it is the far stronger of Siamese twins. China has the US and Europe by the short and curlies.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 4:59 utc | 151

lots of speculation… you guys are worse then astrologers and fortune tellers, lol… my advice… watch and pay attention… it is unpredictable at this point..

Posted by: james | May 30 2022 5:29 utc | 152

james | May 30 2022 5:29 utc | 152
Stars are good for navigational reference. A position on the earths surface can be accurately calculated.
Similarly everything emanating from Putin and Lavrov must be reconciled.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 5:52 utc | 153

james
Putin – denazification. Lavrov – We do not do regime change. Neither are bullshitting.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 5:55 utc | 154

From Andrei Martyanov’s Reminiscence blog, regarding Empire’s “unfolding military catastrophe”:

So, what are you going to do, if you are CIA, State Department or Pentagon? Right, do what you always do, continue to support your very own SOBs and, preferably, widen the conflict. That’s the “change of plans”. The only way the US can “widen” the conflict is to continue to provide weapons to Kiev regime and hence the talk about Harpoons and now HIMARS [high mobility artillery rocket systems]. As I stated on a number of occasions, these deliveries will not change the outcome, but if HIMARS will be used against Russia’s territory, we may have some very serious escalation by Russia and some of it will be very nasty for the US. Keep in mind, the US has very many assets and bases around the world. All of them are within the range of Russia’s stand-off weapons and Russia will retaliate directly against both NATO members who delivered weapons, such as Danish Harpoons, and most US military bases will be under a direct threat of retaliation.

Russia has zero incentive to go nuclear. Nobody can prevent Russia from blowing up whatever it feels necessary to make the point: Do not launch missiles at Moscow (and do not march on Moscow either). Say Russia decides to hit US military assets emphatically this time, with no warning (unlike the time Iran retaliated for Soleimani’s murder)? Then what?

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 30 2022 5:56 utc | 155

Aleph_Null | May 30 2022 5:56 utc | 155
If Russia whacked a US missile base Romania or Poland, the response would be like a 60 year old prostitute crying rape. No one would care.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 6:06 utc | 156

In response to

Aleph_Null | May 30 2022 5:56 utc | 155
If Russia whacked a US missile base Romania or Poland, the response would be like a 60 year old prostitute crying rape. No one would care.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 6:06 utc | 156

Russia is smart enough to wait until empire crosses over into Ukraine with NATO equipment/forces to make a statement about what happens when one tries such. We have seen Russia playing whack-a-mole with incoming military gear and if it escalates, so will Russia’s response.
Another point I want to make is about the perspective of what the public is seeing of this world war and what is going on behind the scenes. I posit that there is a lot of communication and negotiation going on that public tidbits only hint at. I think that what has happened and continues to unfold about Azovstal is an example….I remember reading way back when Russia said that given the biolab there maybe the best answer was to destroy it and any chemicals therein…and now we see that there was 2500 humans in there and negotiation has brought them out.
I read that Z visited the “front lines” today in Ukraine. I can’t see the weapons promised being in time to save Ukraine from defeat so some Hail Mary something is probably going to be launched and be smashed by Russia which will bring the world to empire capitulation, human extinction or a pause where more of the behind the scenes negotiation is made public and process are agreed upon to move into a bi/multi-polar managed world…..Z is just the proxy of the empire bully, understand?
I can’t see how this conflict continues on without resolution for another 6 months. Look at what 3 months of it have wrought and China is not a visible part of the war yet….and probably will never be…..have to maintain the “good cop” side the the China/Russia alliance.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 30 2022 6:43 utc | 157

“If Russia whacked a US missile base Romania or Poland, the response would be like a 60 year old prostitute crying rape. No one would care.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 6:06 utc | 156″
You are absolutely wrong.The Western MSM would immediately send out armies of „fact checkers² and triumph the virginity of that „girl“, censure any deviating voice and use it as a pretext for enlarging the military conflict as the present approach failed. A Sun Tzu-type of approach would be to remain cool, ignore and and finish the present conflict to its own logical end point. Not more!- What 1-2 promille of critical watchers „detect” is simply unimportant. They owe their present freedom to their irrevalance.

Posted by: Hausmeister | May 30 2022 6:47 utc | 158

Gonzalo Lira invites captured British mercenary to Youtube livestream!
2022.05.30 Aiden Aslin Invitation to Livestream
The above sounds like a ridiculous joke, but in fact Aiden Aslin has a Youtube channel with new post after becoming a POW!
My Confess. Beginning

Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 6:52 utc | 159

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Posted by: کمپرسور اسکرو | May 30 2022 7:08 utc | 160

This ‘Gonzalo Lira” character is unbelievable. Is this some weird kind of joke?

Posted by: blues | May 30 2022 7:22 utc | 161

Is anyone following the YouTube site “War in the Ukraine”? It’s not obvious Ukrainian baloney. However he argues that Russia has “shot its bolt” and its forces are exhuasted leading to stalemate. The recent Ukrainian drive just east of Kherson, the site’s narrator claims, is stalled but is aimed to unhinge the entire Kherson front. So Russia is stuck in the mud and must either mobilize, use tactical nukes or make peace. The military variables of this war are unclear to anyone from the outside (probably unclear to many on the inside) so the basic narrative can be given a twist. The question is whether this channel is a subtle part of the Kyiv propoganda effort or whether the gent is making arguable points. Any opinions?

Posted by: Eric Bergerud | May 30 2022 7:27 utc | 162

@Garry Owen #132
It’s true. They’re now using nato 155mm artillery to kill civilians (since they can’t kill soldiers with it). It’s on all news today, including pictures. Donetsk people can say “Thank you Mr Shoigu for your great strategy!”.

Posted by: rk | May 30 2022 7:32 utc | 163

There seems to be a misunderstanding about Lavrovs words. Which have been cut up by the MSM and Anti-Russians:
“Lavrov to French TV: “The priority of the Russian Federation is the liberation of the DPR and the LPR, the residents of Ukraine must determine their own future Russia protects people and the Russian language, which has been discriminated against and attacked by the Kiev regime”
2: “The Russian army will not adjust its actions to the dates, and the pace of the operation is associated with minimizing losses. The European Union will not be able to use its own armies —NATO will not allow it.”
3: “The sanctions have been prepared for a long time and are unlikely to be lifted in near future Putin ready to discuss Ukraine w everyone interested in resolving the conflict. Russia not cutting off path to dialogue with the EU, will judge based on practical matters”

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I reckon that the major part of his words should be taken in light of the “legal” options that Russia is trying to create. I doubt that he was talking of strictly military matters.
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ie. The liberation of LPR and RPR and their earlier declarations as independent Republics. They have decided. Whether any further assimilation is planned, which obviously I can’t know about.
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ie. Kherson and other mainly Russian speaking areas now (or in the immediate future), where the inhabitants do NOT want to return to NazUkraine for fear of being eliminated. These areas must have some sort of referendum or consultations, to set them on a legal path to becoming Republics. (and eventually more if affinity) I think Lavrov was referring to this when he said ; “residents of Ukraine must determine their own future”.
He may be thinking further ahead, as Lira has a theory that the Ukrainian Military command will be forced to depose Zelensky and his Azov mates to stop the slaughter. In which case some sort of negotiations can take place. (Ukies decide their own sort).
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2. Clearly the Russians have decided that the EU is no longer independent. The supply of arms depends on the relationships of EU individual nations with the US or Ukraine, but 3) Russia will always try to leave a door open (Sun Tsu).
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Where the MSM had a field day is that he said the “Russians avoid civilian infrastructure”, and the MSM gladly showed ONLY high rise buildings that had been used by Azov and then destroyed. (they were in the higher levels, with probably civilians used as shields on the lower levels). A view of the reconstruction of Mariupol shows that there are areas that had minimal damage as well as the complete destruction of Azovstal.
*****
Snake/serpent Island. Would possesion of this island give a “zone” enabling drilling into the gas/oil fields around it? In the event of a separation of Odessa (which the US would want as a military port), then the fields to plunder become valuable pickings for the thieves. As in Syria etc.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 30 2022 7:39 utc | 164

Over the past day in the Donetsk People’s Republic, shelling by the Armed Forces of Ukraine killed 4 civilians and injured 20 more, including children.

Posted by: rk | May 30 2022 7:51 utc | 165

@blues | May 30 2022 7:22 utc | 161

This ‘Gonzalo Lira” character is unbelievable. Is this some weird kind of joke?

The ‘joke’ is that British mercenary Aden Aslin publishes youtube videos from captivity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgS37LCsPIE
When that is possible, why not invite him to a livestream? I am guessing it will not happen, but the invitation underscores the surrealism of the situation.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 7:56 utc | 166

@ Eric Bergerud | May 30 2022 7:27 utc | 162
Please, if you’re sincere: review comments 1 through 161 in this thread. Just that much should be enough for you to form a firm idea of how seriously to take the material you present.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 30 2022 8:15 utc | 167

Washington also actively encouraged uprisings in Warsaw Pact countries promising to send military help if the people just acted. Washington then shamelessly left the revolutionaries in the lurch. And then even worse, used the victims for propaganda thereafter.
Hungary 1956
Czechoslovakia 1968
Are the most well known examples of Washington’s evil ways, but there are more. What’s most shocking is modern Czechs and Hungarians believe the lies told to them by Washington to this day. What Fools

Posted by: exile | May 30 2022 8:19 utc | 168

Ref: “Tom Huck” A HREF=”https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/05/ukraine-open-thread-2022-77.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0278807f7553200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0278807f7553200d”>9 I know that you’re trying to shill your book but you quite evidently know nothing about Thailand or Thai politics – talking to your drunken expat mates in Pattaya girly bars is hardly ‘research’. ‘Raping local girls in Sattahip’ indeed! – I live very close by (no, not Pattaya or ‘Moscow by the sea’ Jomtien) and I’d love to see your evidence and so would the police. BTW the torture chambers where the ‘rendering’ was done were in the basement of the US embassy in Wireless Road, Bangkok and the rendition flights were from the ex US airforce base at U Tapao, not Isaan.
One thing you should know is that Lese Majeste laws are very strict here and your remarks are guaranteed to get you at least ten years. A bit of advice – You really don’t want to end up in a Thai prison with 100s of convicts that revere the monarchy.

Posted by: Kevin | May 30 2022 8:57 utc | 169

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 29 2022 23:56 utc | 107

I just don’t see Russia taking another city militarily. Mariupol was critical – land corridor, Azov, Bio weapon lab, and I think a nato headquarters. The first phase was pure military, but now I think we have to start looking along Sun Tzu lines.

The Plan:

  1. Destroy Army Group Centre.
  2. Create “land bridges” from Kherson to Transdnistria, from Kherson to the Dnieper, and from Sumy to the Dnieper, encircling the cities of Kharkov, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaparozhia, and Odessa.
  3. Negotiate with Kiev.
  4. If negotiations fail, move on to Kiev and start siege of cities.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 30 2022 9:45 utc | 170

Kevin.. agree. (I’m in Phuket). Thai coup right wing Nazis? Not mentioned was that when Thaksin was excommunicated, Murika and UK threatened sanctions unless Western style ‘democracy’ was immediately restored.. clearly indicating who had paid for/organized//trained the massive protests, and paid off the voters.. much as in Hong Kong. Sound familiar?

Posted by: Thomas Turk | May 30 2022 10:43 utc | 171

.PetriK sez.. I just don’t see Russia taking another city militarily…” based on your chats with the Russian Military Intel chief, and your front line experience in Serbia, Libya and Congo, eh? Any way, thanks for the leaky, leak.. guess that makes another sleepless night.

Posted by: Thomas Turk | May 30 2022 10:50 utc | 172

Ooh how exciting. The elensky regime counter attacks ! No more rout from Stalingrad!
MI6 apparently directed the intelligence to the ukronazi poxies. The Russkie allies are in retreat!
Is this the end of the SO? Huzzah just in time for betty’s big parade weekend.
Err .. what’s that Russian word for a feint withdrawal and overwhelming crushing blow military tactic??
Keep retreating! Charge in after them and suddenly realise that you’re fucked every which way … ho hum looks like hermaj will have a bit of a downer of a jubilee instead. There are plenty of our English targets to aim at now. Saxons? Lol , tonka toys would are less destructible.

Posted by: Dungeon | May 30 2022 11:00 utc | 173

Posted by: bottle | May 29 2022 20:44 utc | 71
An interesting comment.
The principle problem with all known manpad ‘stingers’. To reduce mass the range is short. Correspondingly, the target lock on range for the missiles active IR seeker is heavily restricted as well.
The Russians now operate the agile capable of a full loop KA-52’s in pairs. Along with a MI-28 gunship. KA-52. has a very handy standoff smart missile. With the KA-52 circling the prey! Well outside the manpad IR lock on range. Then when the stinger user(s) are toast. The MI-28 gunship local area fire power reduces what ever is left standing. With active target spotting drones circling over head…….

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 30 2022 11:02 utc | 174

On Friday Igor Kirillov gave another presentation on US-funded biolabs in Ukraine, the second since the invasion began. It concerns what has been discovered since certain documents fell into Russian hands. At the end he calls on the WHO to investigate biolabs in Nigeria for release of the Monkeypox virus.
https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2022/05/30/biolabs-russias-justification-for-invasion/

Posted by: John Goss | May 30 2022 11:06 utc | 175

Thanks MOA for the increase in crazies posting today
clicking links
I learned that
Adele is a fake (well that wasn’t a heard one to work out)
Elon Musk is a fake (ditto)
January 6 something or other at the Capitol was faked (okay its America after all)
The Ukraine war is a movie set fake with all sides playing along.
Why don’t conspiracy theorists ever quit while they are ahead?
But it seems that now we have GL, alive after (supposedly) being captured by those nice boys in the SBU, wanting to interview a fake British mercenary who used to be a health worker who is on You Tube while (supposedly) being held captive by the Russian Army.
LOL
it must be happy hour at the bar

Posted by: K | May 30 2022 11:25 utc | 176

JohninMK | May 29 2022 20:08 utc | 67
“Why would Russia want Zelensky dead? There would be a tidal wall of hate with probable NATO action.”
Times has passed, the way of diplomacy and the people in charge have changed. 20 years ago i would agree with you but nowdays the rules of wars and politics have changed dramatically. Actually there are no rules anymore. Except of Russia nobody of the so called “western partners” complies with the minimum of diplomatic standards. Started with the dress code to compliance with respect to contracts in general or keeping promises. Quite the contrary they re lying through one’s teeth. Look only at creatures like Baerbock, Habeck, Scholz, Nuland, Freeman, Blinken,…..or the kiev clown. 20 years ago it was unthinkable that such creatures will take powerful positions in politics, economics and culture.
Russia must change their complete political and diplomatic school in direction to “western partners”! Russia has stucked somewhere in the past 80’s and 90’s
Nowdays for the new retarded western elites and so called politicians nazism and terrorism is frequently the solution of choice. They re creating and supporting terror organisation like ISIS, Azov,….They re taking out unpleasant political figures. Yesterday a car bomb exploded near the house of the major of Melitopol. Few weeks ago an explosive device was placed against the major of Energograd. This is only the begining of western partners educated terrorism ISIS style.
This perfidious strategy is very much effective and has a big psychological influence on the residents and political figures in the russian controlled areas of Ukraine. The people are already brainwashed and manipulated by SBU and CIA and now the terrorism will only increase fear among them. Their attitude changes from fear to HATE against Russian Forces because they cant protect them from terrorism.
Russia must take out on a regularly basis ALL politicial and security leaders of Clownland.
These people and especially the main clown are nothing else like a military asset of Clownland.
For example the clown is like a piece of artillery who fires with HATE, LIES, instead of 155mm projectiles.
Hostile Artillery u must take out on a regularly basis.
Of course they will replace by a new clown but this doesnt matter u take all new clowns out as well.
The psychological effect is enormous and has far-reaching implications

Posted by: Raute | May 30 2022 11:30 utc | 177

The US/UK aren’t going to back off until they feel threatened.
Remember the Syria Douma ‘gas attack’ hysteria? The US/UK/France were making all sorts of threats of extensive military action, until a Russian general was asked what the response would be if Russian forces in Syria were attacked and he replied that Russia would first intercept the missile and then destroy the platform from which it was launched.
After that, the US/UK/France plans for military action were drastically scaled back and they played safe by hitting a few token, worthless targets.
The US/UK will push to the last Syrian/Ukrainian. In my view this conflict won’t end until Russia threatens military action against the US/UK/Nato. Make governments think about NY, London, Paris, Rome, Berlin, etc. being attacked and see how fast they find a way to back off.

Posted by: D J G | May 30 2022 11:31 utc | 178

Petri Krohn @ 170
Skipping straight to your point 4.
It is abundantly clear that Washington, who makes all decisions, has no interest in negotiating. Washington wants the siege of cities. Even smaller cities as Popasna must be leveled. Then it looks like the war Washington wants to sell. It is a game of appearances and fictions.
The only real question is how long the Ukrainians will continue to play. The propaganda that the Moskals are malign evil inhumans who torture prisoners for pleasure is very strong. Perceptions have been the CIA strong suit since 1947. In any normal conflict the Ukrainians would know by now they have lost. They have been pumped and primed to fight till the end.
Washington wants a long and very bloody fight. Washington intends to fight until the last Ukrainian. The only question is how close we will get. Washington celebrates every death.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 30 2022 11:44 utc | 179

Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 7:56 utc | 166
Norwegian, thank you for the link to Aiden Aslin. I highly recommend that barflies read the comments– a number of Romanian and Russian posters give their perspective and add their family history in which they share stories from grandparents and great grandparents. Almost all of their accounts of Russian action are the same as we see unfolding today… along with German, Lithuanian, etc. Family stories that carry some “street cred” going forward. Impressive how vivid and detailed they can recount ancestors’ memories from the 1940s.
bottom line, support for Russia is likely much deeper and stronger in those neighborhoods– Romania, Moldova, Bulgaria, etc.– than we know.
in my humble opinion. Here’s the link again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgS37LCsPIE

Posted by: migueljose | May 30 2022 11:44 utc | 180

@K | May 30 2022 11:25 utc | 176

But it seems that now we have GL, alive after (supposedly) being captured by those nice boys in the SBU, wanting to interview a fake British mercenary who used to be a health worker who is on You Tube while (supposedly) being held captive by the Russian Army.

So in your opinion, this is fake too I presume?
YouTube removes video of Ukraine war prisoner Aiden Aslin amid claim it breaks Geneva Convention
British fighter Aiden Aslin survives raids in Mariupol

Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 11:51 utc | 181

Ref: “Tom Huck”
I know that you’re trying to shill your book … and I’d love to see your evidence and so would the police. …
One thing you should know is that Lese Majeste laws are very strict here and your remarks are guaranteed to get you at least ten years. A bit of advice – You really don’t want to end up in a Thai prison with 100s of convicts that revere the monarchy.
Posted by: Kevin | May 30 2022 8:57 utc | 169

Whatever else, the you’ll-watch-your-mouth-if-you-know-what’s-good-for-you tone marks you out as a giant POS.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 30 2022 11:56 utc | 182

@migueljose | May 30 2022 11:44 utc | 180
One of the comments in the Aslin video claims

The Prosecutor General’s Office of the Donetsk People’s Republic reported that British mercenaries Sean Pinner and Andrew Hill, as well as Saadoun Brahim from Morocco, who took part in the hostilities in Ukraine, could face the death penalty. Aislin was allegedly not a mercenary, but a soldier of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so he is not on a possible hit list. lucky

If true, Aslin is a proper POW (even if a despicable one).

Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 12:04 utc | 183

Organic@134…we do know what Russia’s objectives are. Its been stated repeatedly by Lavrov, Putin et al. What they did not give anyone anywhere was a set piece time line. ACG gamers can put the controller down and head off to bed, where all ACGs go after a long slog at the keyboard. Do not fret, the Russians are coming. One can be with them, that’s me, or one can hide in a factory basement. As for turning off the pain, that’s an Orc issue, the 14,000 Ukrainians who died over the past 8 years do get a say.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 30 2022 12:06 utc | 184

So in your opinion, this is fake too I presume?
Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 11:51 utc | 181
Don’t take it too seriously I was just making a joke.
The blog today is kind of over the top and hilarious,
Maybe it’s just me.
LOL
good night.

Posted by: K | May 30 2022 12:09 utc | 185

marks you out as a giant POS.
Posted by: anon2020 | May 30 2022 11:56 utc | 182
What’s a POS?

Posted by: K | May 30 2022 12:11 utc | 186

And what a confession! Two heads of State asking for the release of nazi mass murderers. Supporting nazi mass murderers.
So that they could resume killing Russian people… That is a kind of complicity.
Posted by: Olivier | May 29 2022 23:24 utc | 102
Not 2 heads of state. Four (4) heads of state called. Karl Nehammer (Austria) and Mario Draghi (Italy) also called. All told him the same things.
Putin then answered them the same thing.

Posted by: Martina | May 30 2022 12:14 utc | 187

@K | May 30 2022 12:09 utc | 185
No problem.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 12:16 utc | 188

Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 6:52 utc | 159
LOL!
The verdict is in: His reasons to run away from home are perfectly understandbale!

Posted by: sln2002 | May 30 2022 12:21 utc | 189

What’s a POS?
Posted by: K | May 30 2022 12:11 utc | 186
in polite society, point-of-sale, alias cash register

Posted by: sln2002 | May 30 2022 12:22 utc | 190

As it has often been repeated before in modern mobile war complete with spotter drones. Sitting in a trench means you are just another soft target for the next smart shell. Or, air to ground smart glide bomb or next missile.
How ever in war where snipers shoot to terrorize the other side. Having a deep trench is just common sense.
One side had warm homes to go to.
The other side facing the freezing cold below zero winter nights of country 404. What would you do?

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 30 2022 12:34 utc | 191

Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 7:56 utc | 166
A most interesting video. Especially the dead give away of the nervous hand gestures.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 30 2022 12:41 utc | 192

“…Washington wants the siege of cities. Even smaller cities as Popasna must be leveled. Then it looks like the war Washington wants to sell. It is a game of appearances and fictions…..
Washington wants a long and very bloody fight…Washington celebrates every death.” oldhippie@179
Sadly, I think that you are absolutely right. And the regular terrorist attacks on soft civilian targets are designed to keep the pressure on Russia to “do something.”
One question: where do you get the information on Ukrainian public opinion? You seem to suggest that it is hardening against Russia. Is there a generational aspect to this? Would I be right in thinking that only the younger generations and the “well” educated (state indoctrinated) are fanatically anti-Russian?

Posted by: bevin | May 30 2022 12:45 utc | 193

John Goss | May 30 2022 11:06 utc | 175
The way it is panning out it looks like Russia and China were false friends to the US. The US and western economies (mainly UK & EU) were bust again for the same reason it has happened in the past – greed and stupidity. Russia and China get the gold the West gets the dirt.
Another patch (al la 2007/08) was not an option, the plan appears to have been to take control of the global financial collapse but this required all the economic powerhouses to participate.
Russia and China played along and allowed the West to destroy their own existence (relying completely on the crackpot new world order as the panacea).
The manufactured pandemic and war were part of the levelling exercise before the rebuild. Now the West is stuffed with no, zero, nada chance implementing its plan of world domination by the Elites, more worrying for them no possibility for them again the the shots.
Now there are two worlds, the haves and the have nots but not the one that has been so carefully (in a maniacal sense) prepared.

Posted by: Peter B | May 30 2022 13:00 utc | 194

Transcript of the full Lavrov interview by French TV channel TF1.
https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/1815148/
Summary of the main points at the foreign ministry telegram account.
Main theses:

🔸 Unlike our Western colleagues, we do not consider certain actions we take in the international arena as aimed at gaining approval or achieving success.
🔸 We have been knocking on various doors in Europe and the United States for many years, calling on our Western colleagues to force Ukraine to fulfill its obligations. The West was deaf to this.
🔸 Ferocity The speed with which the West began to defend its “brainchild” in the form of the Kiev regime showed that this regime was specially nurtured for many yearsin order to create a threat to Russia, undermine our rightful place in the security architecture, belittle the real role of Russia and put it in a subordinate position.
🔸 The West has never wanted equal cooperation with the Russian Federation.
🔸 The liberation of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions, recognized by the Russian Federation as independent states, is an absolute priority.
🔸 With regard to other territories of Ukraine where a military operation is being carried out, residents of these areas should decide their future. They must decide for themselvesin which environment they will continue to exist.
Sanctions, similar to hysteria (I would even say somewhere in agony) were initiated by the West. The speed with which they were introduced and their volume indicate that they were not composed “overnight”. They were prepared quite a long time ago. These sanctions are unlikely to be lifted.
https://t.me/s/MID_Russia

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 30 2022 13:08 utc | 195

Clown world:
rt /russia/556296-norway-belarus-new-name/
Norwegian Government has decided to change the name of the country Hviterussland (meaning “White Russia”) to “Belarus” (Meaning “White Russia”).
LOL

Posted by: Norwegian | May 30 2022 13:14 utc | 196

ah, a lovely morning, and our lords and masters haven’t managed to blunder us into a nuclear war yet. win win, what a time to be alive.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 30 2022 13:20 utc | 197

Two interesting articles on the military campaign in Ukraine.
http://www.defenddemocracy.press/may-update-a-war-to-the-last-ukrainian/
http://www.defenddemocracy.press/the-kursk-report-2022/

Posted by: bevin | May 30 2022 13:23 utc | 198

@ Rune Denmark | May 29 2022 14:33 utc | 1
Reports out of Mariupol today suggest the Kievistan branch of the Red Cross were earmarking ethnic Russian children for for organ harvesting.
I think a deep well of depravity will be found bubbling up from 404.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | May 30 2022 13:30 utc | 199

@ njet | May 29 2022 16:28 utc | 15
I think there are a few things at work that define the nature of the conflict on the ground:
1-Russia is reluctant to expend lives and equipment it may need to fight NATO;
2-Russia is reluctant to damage civilians and infrastructure in territories that will soon join or ally with it;
3-economic damage from sanctions and intra-western disagreements are intensifying as the conflict extends, so Russia is in no hurry to alleviate unfriendly nations from the effects of their own petards;
4-Russia doesn’t want the Ukrainian state to collapse to the point there is no-one to sign a deal.

Posted by: Figleaf23 | May 30 2022 13:50 utc | 200