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May 29, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-77
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The open thread for other issues is here.
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There is a story circulating: A woman called Yulia Paevskaya (Tyra) is said to have murdered the parents of two small children, in order to pretend to be the mother of the children so she could escape Azovstal. But was caught when the children spoke up at a checkpoint. Posted by: Rune Denmark | May 29 2022 14:33 utc | 1 @Posted by: Rune Denmark | May 29 2022 14:33 utc | 1 I am hearing more and more reports of the US plans to send long range rockets/missiles to the Ukraine, showing the inability of the US deep state neocons to find reverse gear, as Mercouris puts it, the only gear they know is “double down”. This is a very explicit escalation if it ends up in attacks on cities deep in Russia, which will cause a huge Russian upswell for retaliation; even if Russian defence systems intercept them (which will be a huge marketing problem for the US MIC). Speaking of the New Atlas, his yesterday’s podcast Thailand’s NGO Law vs US Meddling was excellent. Posted by: Fiji Refugee | May 29 2022 15:14 utc | 4 I wonder how feasible it would be, given that the RF forces don’t seem to have supply issues with their own weapons, to make the captured Stingers, Javelins etc, operable by charging the batteries etc and then making them available to Hamas and Hezbollah. This would be a step towards levelling up the position in the ME. Posted by: Vragtes | May 29 2022 15:24 utc | 5 this ”’war” is the gift that keeps giving to all the wrong people and corporations… when, if ever, are ordinary people going to figure this out?? Posted by: james | May 29 2022 15:33 utc | 6 @ Roger | May 29 2022 15:02 utc | 3 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 29 2022 15:42 utc | 7 “hero paramedic” Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 15:47 utc | 8 The Thailand show is ridiculous. I mean real comedy levels. What are the NGOs going to “overthrow” in Thailand exactly? The US torture program underwritten by the Thai military and monarchy? The Thai military running forced “reeducation” programs against workers and union members at the Ford truck plant in Chonburi if they dare go on strike? The Thai military which executes poor people in the street when they ask for the right to vote? The opaque drug running Thai monarchy that serves as basically an untouchable arm of US foreign policy? (Death by lynch mob if criticized). The hard core so-called “globalist” international business community which manufactures cheap computer parts and car parts on the backs of Thai labor? They’re gonna stop the US navy from landing ships at Sattahip so lads can go out and rape and pillage local poor women? The Macron/Scholz phone call to Putin was strange. They “urged” him to negotiate. They even “insisted” he release POWs. Obviously we are not getting the whole story. Did they check with Biden before they called? What kind of leverage do they think they have? Posted by: dh | May 29 2022 15:55 utc | 10 Aleph_Null | May 29 2022 15:42 utc | 7 Posted by: donten | May 29 2022 16:01 utc | 11 james #6; the “elites” of the world occupy all power/money and influential positions in society. Posted by: DutchZ | May 29 2022 16:05 utc | 12 I hope Russia is demanding the resumption of potash/fertilizer shipments through Lithuania as part of the Black Sea grain discussions. The EU acts all humanitarian but ignores this. Posted by: Eighthman | May 29 2022 16:21 utc | 13 Posted by: Tom Huck | May 29 2022 15:55 utc | 9
while Kishida’s wingman, Shinzo Abe, warns If Zelensky Refused to Join NATO, Gave Donbass Autonomy, There Would Be No Hostilities
Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 16:24 utc | 14 IT’S LIKE VERDUN, BUT WE JOIN IT LIFE. Posted by: njet | May 29 2022 16:28 utc | 15 Rune @1 Posted by: wagelaborer | May 29 2022 16:30 utc | 16 What kind of leverage do they think they have? Posted by: laguerre | May 29 2022 16:32 utc | 17 https://thesanghakommune.org/2022/03/20/mariupol-neo-nazi-news-6-yulia-taira-paevskaya-captured-by-dpr-forces-16-3-2022/ Posted by: Anne B | May 29 2022 16:35 utc | 18 @ DutchZ | May 29 2022 16:05 utc | 12 Posted by: james | May 29 2022 16:40 utc | 19 APsplainin. Russians storm city, shell east Ukraine as Zelenskyy visits
Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 16:44 utc | 20 zelensky is quite the joker looking for a photo op at every corner…. when he has his picture taken with the kardashians, he will know he has arrived, lol.. Posted by: james | May 29 2022 16:49 utc | 21
because all the mobile crematoriums were busted? Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 16:52 utc | 22 Posted by: Rune Denmark | May 29 2022 14:33 utc | 1
This story first surfaced in late march. Two people were arrested at a checkpoint outside Mariupol in a car with two children. Allegedly the man and woman had murdered the parents and kidnapped their two children.
Interesting that the AP video shows two children at a hospital. The boy “dies”, the girl may survive. Allegedly their parents were also killed. The boy is not shown to have any life-threatening injuries. The video reminds me of the first White Helmets videos from the Sarmin hospital, where the White Helmets murder children on camera. Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 29 2022 16:55 utc | 23 I don’t know where Zelenskyy is, but I don’t think he’s going to risk his life in a war zone. Posted by: Chaka Khagan | May 29 2022 16:58 utc | 24 @ Tom Huck | May 29 2022 15:55 utc | 9: Posted by: malenkov | May 29 2022 17:02 utc | 25 NY Yella Cake -100: May 29, 1922
Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 17:12 utc | 26 james | May 29 2022 16:40 utc | 19 Posted by: David G Horsman | May 29 2022 17:14 utc | 27 Taira/Yulia is the only blonde babe they got. She shows up on innumerable feeds. Posted by: oldhippie | May 29 2022 17:19 utc | 28 Posted by: wagelaborer | May 29 2022 16:30 utc | 16
Yulia Paevskaya / Tyra was arrested or captured on March 19. The story of the fake couple appeared at about the same time. Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 29 2022 17:20 utc | 29 @njet #15 Posted by: c1ue | May 29 2022 17:23 utc | 30 @malenkov | May 29 2022 17:02 utc | 25 Posted by: Norwegian | May 29 2022 17:27 utc | 31 James – on Patrick Armstrong. Checked back and he wrote this eight years ago: – Posted by: English Outsider | May 29 2022 17:31 utc | 32 Posted by: njet | May 29 2022 16:28 utc | 15 Posted by: Lucci | May 29 2022 17:46 utc | 33 I searched for Yulia Paevskaya / Юлия Паевская in Russian. Here are some stories from March. The stories seem to disagree on who or what killed the children’s parents.
As a medic Yulia would have had access to children, whose parents were killed in shelling. This blog post however accuses the Azovites of murder. This may be an unfounded rumor.
Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 29 2022 17:55 utc | 34 ….why they haven’t committed more to end the conflicts more quickly and spare themselves the attrition from dragged out battle….. Posted by: Exile | May 29 2022 17:56 utc | 35 Posted by: james | May 29 2022 16:49 utc | 21 Posted by: Lucci | May 29 2022 17:57 utc | 36 If you take the facts that the US/UK trained Ukraine forces built extensive defensive positions and then started bombing the Donbas, their intent was to provoke Russia into invading. The strategy was to crush Russia in a drawn-out war, militarily and economically. Posted by: Douglas Houck | May 29 2022 18:00 utc | 37 @ David G Horsman | May 29 2022 17:14 utc | 27 Posted by: james | May 29 2022 18:01 utc | 38 No disrespect intended but if this is the calibre of troops Ukraine is reduced to it is just a question of when and not if the UAF frontline collapses.
Posted by: Down South | May 29 2022 18:02 utc | 39 @ Lucci | May 29 2022 17:57 utc | 36 Posted by: james | May 29 2022 18:05 utc | 40 @19 I’m not American (though I do have a Green Card). Mixed French/Scottish. Grew up in the UK. Live mostly in Spain and Central America. Offspring in various places. Posted by: dh | May 29 2022 18:06 utc | 41
Posted by: Down South | May 29 2022 18:09 utc | 42 Re:Yulia
Posted by: Down South | May 29 2022 18:15 utc | 43 Seems like Junky Ze visited today Kharkiv. Russian SMO experts look dumbfounded letting this happen same like with nonstop influx of heavy weapons and merc. Mossad or CIA would ve taken out Ze already or at least today with a drone strike. Whats wrong with the FSB? Mossad and CIA taking out every month Iranian key people. SBU taking out traitors and regime critical candidates on daily base. And the Russians? totally incomprehensible. The argument well guarded and shielded. is not convincing at all. OK OK I ve learned Russians re not taking out people or carpet bombing areas rather trying sitting in a circle after breakfast and this encourages Ukraines the feeling of being part of a Russian family. Posted by: Raute | May 29 2022 18:26 utc | 44 ….why they haven’t committed more to end the conflicts more quickly and spare themselves the attrition from dragged out battle….. @ Norwegian | May 29 2022 17:27 utc | 31: agree 100%. Posted by: malenkov | May 29 2022 18:32 utc | 46 The US system seems usually to claim victory until reality slips out of MSM control, demand a ‘big push’, then pull out in a panic with as much asset-stripping as possible. In Vietnam they had daily body counts of dead Viet Cong right up until the night-time evacuation from Saigon. Afghanistan similarly. US allies are always thrown under the bus. In Ukraine, I suspect the MLRS and howitzers are the ‘big push’ but won’t affect outcomes – their purpose is to prove US sincerity, not win a war. For the US, the outcome now is arguably irrelevant. US has massively changed European power alignment and economic propsects in its favour for years if not decades. Posted by: T Paine | May 29 2022 18:36 utc | 47 not quite committed (like various African, Arab and Latin American States, India and later possible South Korea and Japan) Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 18:42 utc | 49 T Paine @ 47 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 29 2022 18:55 utc | 50 Cowering in their bunkers and living off one potato a day is the stark reality for the Ukrainian forces, many have had enough and are fleeing for their lives, and who could blame them. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 29 2022 18:56 utc | 51 Past is Prologue, pp 86-87 w/o 29 May
Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 18:59 utc | 52 This is not particularly important but perhaps a little bit interesting if part of a greater trend. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 29 2022 19:00 utc | 53 Poland supplies Ukraine with 18 Krab Howitzers. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 29 2022 19:02 utc | 54 Screenshots. https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1114122 Posted by: Arioch | May 29 2022 19:05 utc | 55 Shi’ite uprising in Iraq following the first Gulf War. They weren’t exactly allies, but we left them out to dry/die. Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 19:09 utc | 56 @njet | May 29 2022 16:28 utc | 15 Posted by: the pessimist | May 29 2022 19:14 utc | 57 Posted by: Fiji Refugee | May 29 2022 15:14 utc | 4 Posted by: Lex | May 29 2022 19:15 utc | 58 Brookings | Muqtada al-Sadr’s problematic victory and the future of Iraq, 2021
Reuters | In Iraq, an old U.S. foe grows his political power, 2021
LSE | Muqtada al-Sadr’s Evolving Post-Election Strategy and the Battle for Iraq’s Political System, 2022
Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 19:24 utc | 59 I am not convinced that Kiev is not on the menu. I have seen so far battlegroups “Z”, “V”, and “O”. Group “A” is still missing. Posted by: TomD | May 29 2022 19:30 utc | 60 not quite committed (like various African, Arab and Latin American States, India and later possible South Korea and Japan) sln2002 @ 56 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 29 2022 19:38 utc | 62 Somaliland is/was part of Northern Somalia. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 29 2022 19:42 utc | 63 “…time for talking is over. The Russians need to attack the Command and Control Center in Kiev, finish the job in Donbass, and slap a complete embargo on Europe on all Russian commodities.” Posted by: Hannibal | May 29 2022 20:00 utc | 64 So much to comment on but yet you have to get to the end of a page. Not complaining. The names forgotten. Somaliland was a British Colony. Its armed force was known as The Somaliland Scouts. Posted by: bevin | May 29 2022 20:02 utc | 66 Raute | May 29 2022 18:26 utc | 44 Posted by: JohninMK | May 29 2022 20:08 utc | 67 Devilish news, better than Novichok, better than the “M” of james Bond. I knew you would want to know about this as soon as possible….. Posted by: Stonebird | May 29 2022 20:27 utc | 68 Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 17:12 utc | 26 Posted by: Berndt Braincell | May 29 2022 20:30 utc | 69 JohninMK | May 29 2022 20:08 utc | 67 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 29 2022 20:31 utc | 70 Posted by: njet | May 29 2022 16:28 utc | 15 Posted by: bottle | May 29 2022 20:44 utc | 71 countries mentioned have been [a] signalling interest in getting on board the Eurasian train even though [b} some of them have had good relations with US axis up until now. Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 20:45 utc | 72 During the first Gulf War in Feb 1991 […] we did prevent Saddam from using jets, but he used helicopters and effectively destroyed resistance in Iraq until 2003. Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 20:53 utc | 73 Posted by: Berndt Braincell | May 29 2022 20:30 utc | 69 Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 20:57 utc | 74 Stonebird | May 29 2022 20:27 utc | 68 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 29 2022 20:58 utc | 75 “US has massively changed European power alignment and economic propsects in its favour for years if not decades.” Posted by: Milos | May 29 2022 21:04 utc | 76 Peter AU1 | May 29 2022 20:58 utc | 75 Posted by: Peter | May 29 2022 21:04 utc | 77 Before there were incubators, there was “demonization”, possession even. Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 21:06 utc | 78 Does Zelensky actually care about Eastern Ukraine, or is the war driven by Ukrainian desire to be rid of the Banderite Nazis and to gain fast-track entry to the EU and NATO, via union with Poland: The problem is that the US miss calculated the level of West’s economy destruction. Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 21:18 utc | 80 a comparison I just wrote of the Battle for Donbass to the Battle of Verdun in WWI: Posted by: Ian Kummer | May 29 2022 21:19 utc | 81 Posted by: Peter | May 29 2022 21:04 utc | 77 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 29 2022 21:21 utc | 82 sln2002 @ 73 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 29 2022 21:50 utc | 83 @The_Real_Fly Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 29 2022 21:52 utc | 84 as to 3 and 4: Posted by: countrumford | May 29 2022 21:58 utc | 85 @41 Dh. Dino is that you? You disappeared from tweeter.. Posted by: Lozion | May 29 2022 22:03 utc | 86 [WARNING: LONG POST] This is a long one, but very important.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 29 2022 22:08 utc | 87 I think, based on precisely what Putin has said each and every time as to the goals of the SMO, that the RF is very close to being able to declare mission accomplished – Donbass secure, denazified, a corridor or bridge between Crimea and Donbass – except for the never NATO position, which Zelinskey has already basically he would agree to. Now or very shortly the RF is in a position where each day that passes more of Ukraine may be lost forever, forcing the discussion. If this is true, it may be the RF does not move on to take Odessa, if before then the war can stop, Ukraine be made neutral, and an agreement established to secure Donbass and allow areas to vote as to where they want to be. Of course then Putin will say remove the sanctions. And, once the war is ended, it will be hard for the US and Europe to refuse. For the moment, Donbass will be secure, and Russia helping to start the rebuilding. But if Zelinskey and the West refuse to make an agreement, then the RF will move west to take Odessa. This then is the extreme price for Ukraine – peace now on Russia’s terms to hold on to a Black Sea outlet, or the future loss of any port and maybe the entire country…. Posted by: Boomheist | May 29 2022 22:12 utc | 88 Posted by: sln2002 | May 29 2022 16:44 utc | 20 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 29 2022 22:16 utc | 89 Replying to sin2002 #80, “I for one did not assume that US and the “West” share the same goal.” That was my perception. There is little long-term commonality of interest between US and Europe. Most of what we see as a common front is simply fealty. Allies stay close to the king because it’s safer than becoming a potential target (rather like Remora around a shark) and they feed on the US ability to cause widespread carnage. But the cost is genuine sovereignty and independence. Countries like UK no longer have their own foreign policy, the UK arguably not since Suez and very conspicuously not since Iraq. Posted by: T Paine | May 29 2022 22:24 utc | 90 Same-old, same-old party line bullshit. Some people actually believe Lavrov. Hopefully he’s lying and not that stupid. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 29 2022 22:32 utc | 91 Comment from https://t.me/polkovnik_hodarenok on all these various howitzers…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 29 2022 22:37 utc | 92 “Some people actually believe Lavrov. Hopefully he’s lying and not that stupid.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 29 2022 22:45 utc | 93 Ukraine is shelling with the new western howitzers last few ours intensivly residential areas in Donetsk. Posted by: Raute | May 29 2022 22:46 utc | 94 IT’S LIKE VERDUN, BUT WE JOIN IT LIFE / #15 Posted by: njet | May 29 2022 22:47 utc | 95 njet | May 29 2022 22:47 utc | 95 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 29 2022 22:57 utc | 96 Re my post @84 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 29 2022 23:07 utc | 97 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 29 2022 22:08 utc | 87 Posted by: njet | May 29 2022 23:11 utc | 98 Russian technology… From a comment from https://t.me/milinfolive Telegram channel…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 29 2022 23:14 utc | 99 Dmitry Orlov weighs in with some weighty observations…. these I find the most interesting for the present crisis in Ukraine, especially the second one here below. Posted by: michaelj72 | May 29 2022 23:16 utc | 100 |
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