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May 23, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-72
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The open thread for other issues is here.
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Johnny Dollar #194
Thanks for the post and I agree – thanks Billy Bob it is good material and sincere. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 24 2022 7:13 utc | 201
I, too, am intrigued by Turkey’s play, here, against Sweden/Finland. Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 24 2022 7:14 utc | 202 Posted by: Tard | May 24 2022 2:05 utc | 173 Posted by: auximenes | May 24 2022 7:17 utc | 203 @uncle tungsten, | May 24 2022 7:13 utc | 201
My take is that the RF has held back its main force for a hard charge against any incursion by NATO members–foremost in its sights Poland and the Baltic States (which, frankly, are not so ungrateful and stupid as to invite such a response). Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 24 2022 7:24 utc | 204 It’s been noticed by Russia. At a recent press conference, Maria Zakharova namedropped the countries supplying heavy weaponry. Germany was conspicuously absent from the list. Posted by: K | May 24 2022 7:32 utc | 205 OK, I am listening to Ritter talking to Billy Bob Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 24 2022 7:34 utc | 206 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 24 2022 6:36 utc | 198 Posted by: Paco | May 24 2022 7:40 utc | 207 An example of what Ritter fears from the Colonel Cassad Telegram channel…
I’m sure Russia is terrified… This is not “thousands of Ukrainian soldiers”, let alone the scores of thousands Ukraine would need to alter the outcome of this war, or even extend the timeline of the war, which Ritter also fears. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 24 2022 7:41 utc | 208 A proposal is made in the Rada to allow Ukrainian officers to kill deserters (RIA Novosti, May 24, 2022 — in Russian)
Posted by: S | May 24 2022 7:44 utc | 210 Waiting for Patroklos to suggest an elegant translation to hat throwing. шапкозакидательство. Posted by: Paco | May 24 2022 7:44 utc | 211 Meanwhile, from Army_Russia Telegram channel, how Russian ECM protects Russian helicopters… So much for Stingers…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 24 2022 7:45 utc | 212 Latest Russian MoD briefing…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 24 2022 7:51 utc | 213 Vostok Battalion officer Fidel on the main reason of AFU and Azov Battalion surrender:
Posted by: S | May 24 2022 8:00 utc | 214 Pacifica Advocate #204
Certainly Poland political leadership is just that stupid but among the Polish people there are pacifists and genius and supporters of a different political position. The current Polish government is an wholly owned pawn in the UKUSA game. It has been persistently created by UKUSA for the past 30+ years. So it is a stupid pawn. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 24 2022 8:12 utc | 215 I really don’t understand why so many people here are putting such a strong emphasis on “understanding” Ritter. Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 24 2022 8:18 utc | 216 Paco #207
➰➰ Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 24 2022 8:21 utc | 217 Ukrainian Nationalists mined the only exit from the port of Kherson (RIA Novosti, May 24, 2022 — in Russian)
Posted by: S | May 24 2022 8:22 utc | 218 In discussions in Scandinavia (among the left wingers) about Russia and Ukraina the question of the oligarchs in Russia often arises. Many say that Putin is controlled by oligarchs and that they are his best friends.As far as I understand he is increasingly taking controll over them. I would love to hear your opinions. Posted by: Northern Eve | May 24 2022 8:25 utc | 219 How long can a military lose 0.5% of its fighting forces per DAY and still remain viable? Posted by: ct | May 24 2022 8:26 utc | 220 Norther eve Posted by: ct | May 24 2022 8:27 utc | 221 Pacifica Advocate #216 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 24 2022 8:29 utc | 222 Posted by: K | May 24 2022 7:32 utc | 205 Posted by: auximenes | May 24 2022 8:31 utc | 223 https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/ Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 24 2022 8:39 utc | 224 Jimmy Dore
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 24 2022 8:46 utc | 225 Andrei Martyanov Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 24 2022 9:04 utc | 226 @ Posted by: Peter | May 23 2022 22:57 utc | 126 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 24 2022 9:16 utc | 227 today British transport minister. Posted by: slippery | May 24 2022 9:16 utc | 228 @RSH Posted by: Goingo | May 24 2022 9:19 utc | 229 Here’s an interesting source of information on events and well worth reading:
‘The Van Says…’ Posted by: Barofsky | May 24 2022 9:34 utc | 230 @Uncle– Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 24 2022 9:55 utc | 231 @Northern Eve #219:
There are no oligarchs in Russia, only billionaires. There used to be oligarchs in Russia (Semibankirschina, various industrial oligarchs, etc.), but by the end of Putin’s first term he clearly set out the rules of the game: you can continue to own the property that you have amassed (stolen) during the 90’s, but stay out of politics and media. That is, Putin turned oligarchs into billionaires. Khodorkovskiy didn’t listen (not only that, he announced to his circle that he’s going to create a political party to kick Putin out of power), so he lost his fortune and freedom. The billionaires continued to be consulted on the matters of economy, but that was the extent of their influence. Putin is certainly not “controlled” by them, that’s laughable. They fear him. The billionaires tried to promote neo-liberal economic policies via the “liberal” wing of Russian elites (people like Kudrin, Chubais, institutions like Higher School of Economics and their alumni, etc.), but that wing is now dead. Posted by: S | May 24 2022 10:02 utc | 232 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 24 2022 8:29 utc | 222 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 24 2022 10:11 utc | 233 Posted by: Goingo | May 24 2022 9:19 utc | 229 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 24 2022 10:13 utc | 234 For Eurasia and multipolarity channel:
Posted by: Bloke from block 8 | May 24 2022 10:25 utc | 235 @RSH Posted by: Goingo | May 24 2022 10:29 utc | 236
My goodness gracious, man. Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 24 2022 10:31 utc | 237 Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 24 2022 10:31 utc | 237 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 24 2022 10:48 utc | 238 It will be interesting to see if Scholz can stand up against internal calls to supply heavy weapons. Posted by: mk | May 24 2022 11:08 utc | 240 Posted by: mk | May 24 2022 11:08 utc | 240 Posted by: Goingo | May 24 2022 11:16 utc | 241 Regarding the Marder infantry vehicles … they weren`t even considered modern back in the day when the GDR/East Germany got their first batch of BMP-1s (while I served in the GDR navy marines. And that was back in the late 1980s. Even with updates, neither the Marder, the Leopard 1s and early Leopard 2s, nor the Gepards are up to scratch for modern das warfare, not least in the way carried out in Ukraine and without air superiority. Like the Strela anti-aircraft missiles, considered to be junk in 2009 because of structural failure by the Bundeswehr (and I have no idea how they actually survived or were kept that long in Bundeswehr arsenals), lots of old Soviet weaponry and totally outdated West German is being offered to Ukraine and no wonder their high-ups sneered at that suggestion. Might well be that German government wanted to spare itself the cost of having to dismantle this old stuff … Posted by: CM of Berlin | May 24 2022 11:22 utc | 242 Posted by: auximenes | May 24 2022 7:17 utc | 203 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 24 2022 11:36 utc | 243 Parts of FDP (Strack-Zimmermann), Opposition CDU (Merz oor Kiesewetter) or great chunks of msm. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 24 2022 11:45 utc | 244 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1pgmvIB3Fjw Dearlove considers Nikolai Patrushev, Secretary of the Security Council of Russia, suitable. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 24 2022 11:58 utc | 246 Thank you ct (221) and thanks to s (232) for your valuable information about Russian oligarchs.Amnesty International shows its true colors by mentioning Mikhail Kodorkovskij as a prisoner of conscience(POC). . Posted by: Northern Eve | May 24 2022 12:09 utc | 247 Posted by: ct | May 24 2022 8:26 utc | 220 Posted by: Svorane | May 24 2022 12:17 utc | 248 “Neither the world, nor Russia, in particular, will ever be the same again. And it’s not just about the special military operation in Ukraine. The existing world order is collapsing, life is changing, and this process is irreversible,” he wrote. @ donten | May 23 2022 22:01 utc | 108 Posted by: jrkrideau | May 24 2022 12:34 utc | 250 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 24 2022 8:46 utc | 225 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 24 2022 12:43 utc | 251 I still think Russia is trying to force a deal. The deal they want to force is already on the table and it just matters how far they have to push back on empire before it capitulates. Russia is demonstrating its capabilities and empire is trying to figure our how to hang on to its corner of our new world. Posted by: Bemildred | May 24 2022 12:47 utc | 252 In regards to Lyman… Posted by: BroncoBilly | May 24 2022 13:17 utc | 253 Shoot me if I’m stating something you all know but Telegram has a built in translator: select text -> right click -> translate Posted by: Wim | May 24 2022 13:21 utc | 254 @ Tard re Wałęsa: Posted by: malenkov | May 24 2022 13:30 utc | 255
Most definitely . . . wrt the ethnically Russian and/or Russophone parts of the country. The rest will be an insanely hostile rump state; proper and effective disposition of it will be the great postwar challenge. Posted by: malenkov | May 24 2022 13:34 utc | 256 Thermobaric rounds landing in the middle of Liman village… good thing they called this a “Special Military Operation” because Russia was trying to not harm civilians hey… not that Ukrainians can remain blameless for putting their troops there, but seems to me like both sides care about people and property as much as each other: Posted by: Et Tu | May 24 2022 13:37 utc | 257 i’ll put some humour Posted by: Svorane | May 24 2022 13:40 utc | 258 Scott Ritter discusses the responses he’s received from his recent analysis Posted by: fiji refugee | May 24 2022 13:40 utc | 259 Posted by: Et Tu | May 24 2022 13:37 utc | 257 Posted by: Bloke from block 8 | May 24 2022 13:59 utc | 260 from Kyiv Post
That road is at the East end of the UAF salient, running SW-NE on this zoomable map Posted by: Don Bacon | May 24 2022 14:01 utc | 261 The issue of Finland admitted into NATO is insane, why, Russia has not threaten Finland that I know of, had a treaty with Russia indicating they would remain a neutral country in any conflict, yet now want to join NATO, a should be disbanded organization! Posted by: ET | May 24 2022 14:09 utc | 262 Posted by: Bloke from block 8 | May 24 2022 13:59 utc | 261 Posted by: foxbatFR | May 24 2022 14:12 utc | 263 …Holodomor. I think that is the main weapon Ukrainian nationalism wield against Russians and pretend to equal the Soviets to the Nazis. Posted by: Mariátegui | May 24 2022 0:53 utc | 156 Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 24 2022 14:30 utc | 264 Peace must be at hand, Ivanka traveled to Poland last week to meet with Ukraine refugees. She handed out meals to refugees, met with faith-based groups. A fan on her instagram cheered, “Ivanka for President!” Very soon we’ll be told that a peace deal has been negotiated by Ivanka. If she wants to be president of Ukraine, that would be fine. Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 24 2022 14:38 utc | 265 Posted by: foxbatFR | May 24 2022 14:12 utc | 264 Posted by: Parisian Guy | May 24 2022 14:54 utc | 266 Thanks to Billy Bob for cutting to the heart of this Ritter flap. Right or wrong on this or that, Ritter is an honest and perceptive man speaking his mind. And given the incendiary material in his background (which, yes, he brought upon himself), Ritter is also a man of courage willing to open himself to further public humiliation by again taking an unpopular stand. Some apologies are in order, assuming his accusers are as big as he is. Posted by: Newton Finn | May 24 2022 15:37 utc | 267 @ CM of Berlin | May 24 2022 11:22 utc | 243 Posted by: james | May 24 2022 16:27 utc | 268 The reason why countries like Sweden and Finland want to join NATO plus the divinely neutral Swiss piling in on the sanctions should be pretty obvious to all barflies. The US and its UKet all inner circle have decided that this war is for all the marbles. They forecast and proposed this conflict and are in as they say to the bitter end. The end being a break up of the Russian federation and a divvying up of its natural resources. Any country which refuses to sign up will not get a share of the Russian cake when The Nuland/Kagan dream state is achieved. It is the fear of missing out (FOMO) that drives these so called allies. Posted by: DaVinci | May 24 2022 17:21 utc | 269 “…Russia is ruled by Putin, Russian military and Russian intelligence services in the interests of Russia and Russian people.” Posted by: juliania | May 24 2022 17:44 utc | 270
I’m sorry, but I find that formulation utterly cringeworthy, as it implies (“ruled” as opposed to governed) that Russia is a military-security state headed by a dictator. Posted by: malenkov | May 24 2022 17:55 utc | 271 The US economy is deteriorating quickly, with industry surveys showing a rapid weakening, share prices dumping, and housing market demand falling off a cliff as interest rates rise. Given the incredible level off leverage in the economy this can’t be allowed to continue too long, otherwise a debt-deflation cycle will kick in which will make the 1979/1980 Volcker Shock look like a children’s tea party. The Fed will have to back off and the neocons brought under control to limit the damage to the US economy, the latter will be a severe shock to the neocons as the limits of US power becomes apparent. The Telegram channel Slavyangrad Gleb Bazov has a Russian military intelligence translation of what appears to be an official Ukraine army report, addressed to the Deputy Commander of the Armed Forces of the Ukraine, highlights: @RSH:
Seems pretty clear to me. Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 24 2022 23:40 utc | 274 @uncle tungsten | May 24 2022 8:12 utc | 216 Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 25 2022 7:49 utc | 275 @malenkov #272:
I’m not a native speaker of English language, so sometimes I may get some nuances wrong. In this particular case, I didn’t think the verb “rule” had such a negative connotation. Posted by: S | May 25 2022 13:10 utc | 276 Posted by: Roger | May 24 2022 22:10 utc | 274 Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 25 2022 19:28 utc | 277 Sorry but im finding it impossible to keep up with all blogs, comments on them, videos, articles ect ect. Is there any info ive missed on the rumor of the polish brigades moving in ukraine? Posted by: Mark | May 26 2022 1:52 utc | 278 the fatal failure of russias era cryptophone system Posted by: Riff | May 26 2022 6:43 utc | 279 The AFU posted a pretend desperate we need help video, as far as I can tell reinforcements showed up having a laugh because they pulled a fast one. Posted by: Dodger | May 26 2022 10:21 utc | 280 What do you mean about this ? Posted by: Bemildred | May 26 2022 13:42 utc | 281 |
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