Ukraine Open Thread 2022-71
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Posted by b on May 22, 2022 at 11:58 UTC | Permalink
next page »Journalists get their first look inside the abandoned Azov headquarters.
They had Member I.D cards and worked directly with the Ukraine Government, making Zelensky an accomplice to their hate crimes.
VIDEO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDfvXCjanMQ
Posted by: PatrickMcMilan707 | May 22 2022 12:14 utc | 2
From Pepe's Telegram with a pic of Klaus Schwab:
DR. EVIL RED ALERT!He’s back in Davos today.
The FT “explains” that the WEF “defines its mission as improving the state of the planet”.
https://www.ft.com/content/cb2a937a-7425-4892-996a-12950c741352#
And it gets positively eerie when Dr. Evil himself says “this is the most consequential annual meeting since the WEF’s creation in 1971.”
Top billing is “Reconstructing Ukraine”. Comedian cokehead Elensky will address Davos tomorrow. Anyone Russian has been - what else - barred.
Be ready for uncontrollable roars of laughter when Christine “Hermes” Lagarde will be delivering “new solutions” against inflation and recession.
There wil be a lot of talk on “preparedness” for the next pandemics. We should expect “announcements on new monitoring systems”.
And questions on “the direction on which capitalism will head.”
JP Morgan and McKinsey will NOT be throwing big parties.
Any doubts, keep calm and listen to Dr. Evil:
Davos "is the place to understand the world in its systemic complexity”. [Schwab]
These people hate simple and rather populist answers for simple problems because it would render them useless; thus their disdain for real democracy and the voice of the people. I think this is something else where Putin and Xi are on the same page.
Posted by: Nervous German | May 22 2022 12:47 utc | 3
@ Posted by: Dale | May 22 2022 12:02 utc | 1
All information from country 404 "Ministry of Truth(defense) lacks any form of credibility.
This office gave us such bloopers As, the heroic 13 dead fairies of Snake Island. Falsely claimed the sinking of a Russian black sea naval vessel. Claimed air victories of the shoot down of 200 Russian Aviation forces aircraft. The video game hero "The ghost of Kiev". Faked strikes against it's own citizens. To label them as "Russian War crimes".
Given the current state an army that has already lost the will to fight. To completely destroy an entire tank division is well beyond their current abilities.
What ever type of aircraft or done flies in the skies of country 404. The probability of a return to back to base is around 0.001%.
Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 22 2022 12:49 utc | 4
@ Posted by: Nervous German | May 22 2022 12:47 utc | 3
side note: Pepe Escobar's telegram channel is private, is there a known way to get invitation for it ?
Posted by: W | May 22 2022 13:01 utc | 5
@ W/#5: Pepe Escobar's telegram channel is private, is there a known way to get invitation for it ?
Sorry, no idea. I joined a long time ago when it still must have been open.
Posted by: Nervous German | May 22 2022 13:05 utc | 6
On popular support in Russia and why so many young Russians want to leave and why Russia's brain drain costs years of progress in science and tech.
A claim made by some in the west: Public support for Putin north of 75 percent for Operation Z is essentially fake; polls only yield such high numbers because respondents are afraid of giving the wrong answer; many people tend to hang up before the first question.
This plays into my personal fear that young Russians want to leave the country for the golden west. Often I read that they just want out, they can't answer why besides things are "better in the west". The same will go for the Ukraine's liberated territories — if they didn't already leave long before Operation Z started.
However, latest UN data show that Russia is a net immigration country, meaning that more people come to stay than are leaving. I would like to read more reassuring facts that Russia will be able to provide a substantial increase in the standard of living of middle-class working people in the forthcoming years. If I remember last year's annual Putin press marathon correctly, among the core goals there are:
- becoming a top 5 economical power (by PPP) by 2025
- lower the costs of living relative to rising incomes
- extend and modernize infrastructure
Fingers crossed.
Posted by: Nervous German | May 22 2022 13:20 utc | 7
There are already videos of the interior of the Azovstal bunkers where the crem of the crem of the Ukrainian Marines and nazi battallions remained without knowing what a fight is..
The rooms had air conditioning, and for what it shows the collection of objects exposed, they passed the time reading books like Mein Kmapf, and the like...
Their documents show they were all linked to the Zelensky administration as official soldiers, included some Polish ones.
Then, it is calls from the people in Lvov willing to give the Russians the coordinates on the customs where trucks full of luxury cars that are entering Ukraine...
https://t.me/c/1394010098/3655
Biden´s new Minsiter of Truth photographed working along into the Zelensky´s campaign HQ...
https://t.me/NewResistance/9044
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 22 2022 13:21 utc | 8
@Posted by: W | May 22 2022 13:01 utc | 5
Not a private channel, it is public...
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 22 2022 13:25 utc | 9
Russia never gave a damn about winning the proganda war in the West as they never stood a chance.
The Guardian
@guardian
·3h
YouTube has removed over 9,000 channels relating to Ukraine war
Facts on the ground will dictate the end result.
Posted by: Down South | May 22 2022 13:32 utc | 10
Israelis have staged a protest in support of the Azov Battalion: photos. In the first photo, a woman can be seen holding a sign that reads “Let my Azov go!” in Russian (referencing “Let my people go!”). Meanwhile, Russians continue to photograph captured Azov Battalion members and their slightly right-wing tattoos: photos.
These photosets have inspired me to make my first meme pic: https://imgflip.com/i/6h2whe
Posted by: S | May 22 2022 13:32 utc | 11
Well, some hints that will give you an idea on what reality of thigs is...
75% of respondents would prefer VVP as POTUS than Biden...
https://t.me/IrinaMar1004_Z/2246
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 22 2022 13:34 utc | 12
Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 22 2022 13:25 utc | 9
Then please post the channel's link...
Posted by: Nervous German | May 22 2022 13:36 utc | 13
Either Russia is extremely naive or this is all theater.
" US consulting firm McKinsey & Co. reportedly worked on contracts for the Pentagon and US intelligence agencies while simultaneously providing services to Russian state-owned defense conglomerate Rostec, which makes some of the military hardware now being used in the Ukraine offensive, according to NBC News. "
- US firm advised Pentagon and Russian defense conglomerate at same time -
https://www.rt.com/news/555915-mckinsey-contracts-us-russia-agencies/
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 22 2022 13:36 utc | 14
@ Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 22 2022 13:25 utc | 9Not a private channel, it is public...
Sorry, but no. trying the link provided by Nervous German (https://t.me/c/1394010098/3662) lead to this :
Message in a private group or channel.
This link will only work if you are a member.
Posted by: W | May 22 2022 13:42 utc | 15
" However, latest UN data show that Russia is a net immigration country, meaning that more people come to stay than are leaving.
Posted by: Nervous German "
Its not the number of people coming into Russia that matters, but the "quality". Who exactly is immigrating into Russia ?
Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 22 2022 13:42 utc | 16
It’s an old opinion piece written before the Russian SMO but it explains why Ukraine is so critical to Israel
The ‘Ten Plagues’ Facing Israel if Russia Invades Ukraine
Posted by: Down South | May 22 2022 13:46 utc | 17
Trotzki @ 10
Apples to oranges.
Afghanistan did not attack the US and offered to give up bin Laden. No actual attack, no fear of attack. Just a bunch of people from all over the world, other than Afghanistan. Also, it's iffy as to whether bin Laden actually ever took credit for the attack. Yet, US attacks.
Iraq did not attack the US. US simply lied and then attacked Iraq without any actual or legal provocation or attack on US citizens or 'interests'.
Libya, Yemen, etc...no attack on America, American citizens, or American 'interests' whatever those may be. Yet, we are there supplying weapons, support, etc...
Ukraine - US/UK/Nato systematically support attack on ethnic Russians, Russian speakers, and Russian allies. Russia waits 8 years, tries all forms of diplomacy (Minsky 1, 2 and offers of treaties), and then after signing treaties with newly formed republics which (at a minimum) gives prima facie evidence of complying with international law, begins military operations/SMO/invasion of eastern Ukraine.
Don't see how you can equate the two countries actions.
As to whether Russia's 'empire' expands as a result of these events, we will see. Perhaps Russia will follow-through and hold referendums...and if those referendums go against Russia, and Russia still keeps the land...well, maybe you will have a point.
Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 13:46 utc | 18
Muslim world in Middle East understands why Putin launched a SMO.
"The spiritual leader of Russian Muslims, the Chair of Russia’s Muslim Spiritual Administration Ravil Gainutdinov, said on Saturday the Islamic world understands Russian President Vladimir Putin’s decision to hold a military operation in Ukraine.
"The entire Islamic world, the Arab world, treats our president’s decision with understanding. They are looking for the victory of Russian politics, and they have absolutely no interest in the hegemony of one country, in the creation of a unipolar world," he said.
"That is why no country in the Arab world imposed any sanctions on Russia. This is very important. Even as NATO members, even being under pressure, they refrain from imposing sanctions against our country," he said in an interview with the Rossiya-24 television channel.
"This means that the Islamic world has deep respect to our country and our Muslims," the official said."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 13:47 utc | 19
@W #5:
side note: Pepe Escobar's telegram channel is private, is there a known way to get invitation for it ?
His private channel is set to auto-join. All you have to do is install the Telegram app (private channels can’t be viewed with a web browser), then click the “JOIN CHANNEL” button on the landing page, which will add his channel to your Telegram app.
Posted by: S | May 22 2022 13:47 utc | 20
With most eastern European nationalists being firmly convinced that Ukraine is wining and will win, what happens when they discover that Ukraine has lost and has been losing the whole time? Will we see the rebirth of Dolchstoßlegende (the stab in the back myth)? Who will be the targets for this anger? Jews (Zelensky is Jewish), France, Germany and Italy for not backing Ukraine enough? Washington and London for lying and encouraging Ukraine to continue the war when it should have surrendered. What form will the retribution take? Javelins and NLAWs? Stingers and StarStreaks? Thankfully it appears Ukraine has lost all the M777s to Russian actions, but all those shells will make wonderful IEDs as they did in Iraq.
Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 22 2022 13:47 utc | 21
The Nazi's have set up heavy artillery in schools and kindergartens, and are using local civilians in the Dontesk as human shields.
"Military and paramilitary units of Ukraine deployed weapons and created fortified positions in educational facilities in the cities of Nikolayev and Dnepr, as well as in Donetsk People’s Republic territories under their control, the chief of Russia’s National Defense Management Center, Col. Gen. Mikhail Mizintsev, said on Saturday.
"Members of Ukrainian armed groups turned the following facilities into fortified positions and deployed military equipment and multiple-launch rocket systems at adjacent territories in the following locations of the Donetsk People’s Republic: School No.2 in Bakhmut, vocational school No.77 in Chasov Yar, Solnyshko kindergarten and school No.1 in the settlement of Novoekonomicheskoye," said Mizintsev, who also heads the Russian Joint Coordination Headquarters for Humanitarian Response in Ukraine.
According to the official, residents of nearby homes were not evacuated, because neo-Nazis use them as a human shields."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 13:50 utc | 22
Think of all the poor haircutters - informed of the facts of the conflict who must listen to fools absorbed in the mainstream narratives.
So difficult to deflect. There is no way to get through. Best to feign ignorance.
Many people continue to believe mainstream news - even as it has lied to them repeatedly.
Their favorite tv personality wouldn't lie to them.
Someone said, Think about the natives who lived here for 10K years and how we've screwed the place up in less than 100 yrs.
I'm going to try that one to deflect.
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | May 22 2022 13:52 utc | 23
Top Russian lawmakers don't want the Nazi's from the Azov battalion to be allowed exchanged for Russian troops, they want the Nazi's to be tried and sentenced and who could blame them.
"The head of the LDPR party faction in the Russian parliament’s lower chamber, the State Duma, and the chairman of the Duma’s international affairs committee, Leonid Slutsky, believes that members of Ukraine’s Azov nationalist battalion should face a tribunal for their crimes, and their swap should be ruled out.
"My opinion remains unchanged: there must be no exchange of members of the Azov [battalion], which is outlawed in Russia. Their fate should be determined by a tribunal," Slutsky wrote in his Telegram channel on Saturday.
He dismissed earlier media reports, which quoted him as saying that the issue of swapping Azov militants for Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Medvedchuk was being discussed. "All interpretations that are being expressed now are incorrect in essence, I would like to stress it once again,""
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 13:55 utc | 24
Russia hits back at Canada and bars its Nazi loving PM and Canadian military commanders for entering the country.
"Moscow is set to bar entry permissions for 26 nationals of Canada in response to the country’s earlier announced measures, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Saturday.
The Ministry announced that among the blacklisted residents of Canada are the spouse of the Canadian prime minister and high-ranking military commanders.
"In response to Canadian authorities’ declared another round of anti-Russian sanctions, which included not only representatives of the state administration, but also officials of military and business circles, as well as their close relatives, Russia permanently closes its entry for the analogous category of Canadian representatives," the ministry stated."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 13:58 utc | 25
Objective Observer @ 19
Hey, idiot! You forgot a possessive - countries', not countries.
Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 13:58 utc | 26
@W #5
The landing page for his private Telegram channel can be found by googling “Pepe Escobar Telegram”. If you join it, please tell him what a pain in the ass these private channels are and that he really should set up a public channel.
Posted by: S | May 22 2022 14:00 utc | 27
@ #23
That's what happens if you use gloves instead of TOS strikes.
Posted by: rk | May 22 2022 14:01 utc | 28
@ Posted by: S | May 22 2022 13:47 utc | 21
following the link there is no "JOIN CHANNEL" button, just an "OPEN MESSAGE" button, with a warning stating "Message in a private group or channel. This link will only work if you are a member.OPEN MESSAGE"
and btw I have Telegram App installed which just don't react at all to the link.
So no, neither accessible nor provide a way to be invited to the channel.
Posted by: W | May 22 2022 14:08 utc | 29
Ukrainian Nazi's burned down house in Mariupol with resident still inside them.
"Nationalist militants from the Azov detachment (against whom criminal cases have been initiated in the Russian Federation), retreating earlier from the city to the Azovstal plant, destroyed residential buildings along with residents, the deputy commander of the DPR engineering and sapper platoon with the call sign Mole told RIA Novosti.
"During the exit from the areas adjacent to the plant, residential areas, the national guard soldiers, in particular, according to eyewitnesses, the fighters of the Azov regiment, burned down the adjacent buildings, set fire to apartments, often with tenants in the house, so as not to leave behind a clean territory where there would be an opportunity for our armed forces to gain a foothold," the source said."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 14:10 utc | 30
Ukrainian Nazi's tried to get past the RF at the Azovstal complex dressed as civilians when the civilians were eventually released they were picked out after questioning and detained.
"Chechen special forces showed suspects of participating in hostilities against the allied forces of the Russian Federation and the DPR - according to the Russian side, the detainees tried to escape from Mariupol, dressed in civilian clothes.
Video showing the commander of the special police regiment named after Akhmata Kadyrova Zamid Chalaev conducts initial interrogation of detainees, the head of Chechnya published Ramzan Kadyrov in his Telegram channel. "Ukrainian Nazis, disguised as civilians, wanted to slip past the Russian military. My dear brother Zamid Chalaev asks simple questions, but the prisoner is so confused that he does not understand the first time," Kadyrov signed this publication. The head of the republic suggests that he is probably afraid of retribution for crimes and this point has yet to be clarified."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 14:17 utc | 31
The head of the Nazi's in the Azovstal taken out in armoured car as the civilians in Mariupol wanted to murder him.
"The operation to liberate the Azovstal plant in Mariupol from the militants of the nationalist formation Azov has been completed. The leader of the group Denis Prokopenko ("Radish") was taken out in a special armored car, said May 20, the official representative of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Major General Igor Konashenkov.
Mariupol has been completely liberated from Ukrainian militants.
"The so-called "commander" of the Nazis "Azov" because of the hatred of Mariupol residents and the desire to massacre him citizens for numerous atrocities was taken out of the territory of the plant in a special armored car," Konashenkov said.
Konashenkov reported on the complete liberation of Azovstal Iron and Steel Works earlier in the day. On May 20, the last group of 531 militants surrendered. In total, since May 16, 2439 Azov Nazis and servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU), blocked on the territory of Azovstal, have laid down their arms and surrendered."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 14:22 utc | 32
@Dale #1
I agree with "Bad Deal Motors On": anything coming out of Ukraine regarding the SMO is highly suspect.
But more importantly: I seem to recall that the 1st Guards Tank Army wasn't in the initial wave into Ukraine. It was sitting in Belarus in case NATO did something stupid.
Said formation didn't enter until the "60 kilometer" convoy and we know that wasn't attacked.
A second piece of data is that there simply have not been major battles around Kharkiv or Kiev, for that matter, in the first 3 weeks of the SMO or since. It is hard to credit 130 tanks being destroyed when there simply has not been anywhere near the scale of fighting in that area as composed to Donetsk/Luhansk/Donbas.
So net net: I would very much reserve judgement.
Posted by: c1ue | May 22 2022 14:22 utc | 33
Quoting...
"The ruble rallied to 58 per USD in late May, the strongest level in four years, as more companies are complying with Russia's demand to pay for gas with rubles, the Russian government continues to prop up the currency through capital controls and the imports remain subdued. This week, the European Commission has confirmed how European Union companies can pay for Russian gas in the currency agreed in their existing contracts without breaching the bloc’s sanctions. Meanwhile, Italian energy group Eni is set to open a rouble account with Gazprombank. Also, although the CBR allowed buying freely foreign currency, the USD and EUR are exempted, and while the bank increased the limit of individual money transfers abroad to USD 50K per month from USD 10K it still prohibits transactions to entities from so-called unfriendly countries."
Posted by: SailorsWife | May 22 2022 14:31 utc | 34
@Nervous German #7
I would caution against making conclusions without understanding the bigger picture.
Given the economic/social catastrophe of the 1990s and the unrelenting and wrong image of the West painted by mainstream and social media, there are lots of reasons why a young person used to want to leave Russia for the West.
The thing is - it isn't just Russia. The reality is that all of Eastern Europe has been pillaged by the West. Look at the populations over time for the Baltics, for Poland, for Hungary, for Czekia/Slovakia/Slovenia, etc etc. For Ukraine for that matter.
All of these nations have been hemorrhaging population for decades - in fact, many of them far worse than Russia.
Eastern Europe, overall, has less people in 2020 than it did in 1998 Wikipedia on historical population of Eastern Europe
22 years and the population has dropped 9.4%!
Now let's consider the future prospects faced by a young European, American or Eastern European today.
Where do you think they see the upside is?
Posted by: c1ue | May 22 2022 14:31 utc | 35
Russia steps up its banning list of American's now not allowed into Russia.
"US President Joe Biden, Secretary of State Antony Blinken, and CIA chief William Burns have been banned from entry to Russia as relations between the two world powers continue a constant downward spiral over the crisis in Ukraine.
The Russian Foreign Ministry on Saturday published a blacklist containing 963 US nationals, including Biden, Blinken and Burns, banned from entering the country due to anti-Russian activities.
“In response to the continuously imposed anti-Russian sanctions from the US and incoming requests about the exact composition of our national ‘stop list’, the Russian Foreign Ministry has published a list of American citizens who are permanently banned from entering Russia,” the ministry announced in a statement.
Joe Biden's son, Hunter, Vice President Kamala Harris, actor Morgan Freeman and many US congressmen and journalists were named on the blacklist."
Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 14:33 utc | 36
Posted by: Trotzki | May 22 2022 14:28 utc | 35
There is only one empire. There is only one imperial design on the planet and that is led by the USA.
You are willfully misrepresenting 30+ years of US/NATO aggression against Russia which 'forced' Russia into a defensive action. And you ignore the relentless bigotry and prejudice which the NAZIs have forced upon the weak, untalented, craven Ukrainian President.
So the war/anti-war stance is appreciated but not without the important context which you ignore.
Posted by: gottlieb | May 22 2022 14:34 utc | 37
Posted by: Trotzki | May 22 2022 14:28 utc | 35
There is only one empire. There is only one imperial design on the planet and that is led by the USA.
You are willfully misrepresenting 30+ years of US/NATO aggression against Russia which 'forced' Russia into a defensive action. And you ignore the relentless bigotry and prejudice which the NAZIs have forced upon the weak, untalented, craven Ukrainian President.
So the war/anti-war stance is appreciated but not without the important context which you ignore.
Posted by: gottlieb | May 22 2022 14:34 utc | 38
@W #30:
following the link there is no "JOIN CHANNEL" button, just an "OPEN MESSAGE" button, with a warning stating "Message in a private group or channel. This link will only work if you are a member.OPEN MESSAGE"
I didn’t say you should follow Nervous German’s link. I said you should google “Pepe Escobar Telegram”, open the link and click the “JOIN CHANNEL” button.
Posted by: S | May 22 2022 14:40 utc | 39
Re: Finland and Sweden
Ritter and others have noted that Turkey has serious issues with Kurds, and that Finland's and Sweden's positions re: Kurds is something Erdogan/Turkey are really angry about.
The West's moronic analysts all think it is just Erdogan with his hand out: Erdogan blackmail over F16s and F35s - ekathimerini.com
The thing is, I am less and less in agreement with that, although my immediate initial reaction was the same.
Let's not forget that Greece is part of NATO, but is facing off with Turkey over Cyprus. And Greece just agreed to 4 new US bases: source - Newsweek.com
Does Turkey want another 2 countries in NATO that are opposed to it? Sweden has had an embassy in Kurdistan for a decade...
Posted by: c1ue | May 22 2022 14:40 utc | 40
The duped Dubya Bush says "Times Change". By that he meant that that the USA is not required to uphold agreements. Ergo, the USA can lie about NATO expansion because it does not adhere to International Law, but to its own set of rules which constitute its "rules-based order".
A special rules-based order means that agreements or treaties can be changed at will, on the fly or whatever.
The implications are obvious.
No country can count on or expect the USA to uphold any treaty or any agreement.
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | May 22 2022 14:46 utc | 41
Those cheerleading Russia in invading their neighboring country: I want to see you cheerleading the next American invasion of Panama and Cuba.. . .Posted by: Trotzki | May 22 2022 14:28 utc | 35
. . . because Americans have been discriminated against and have been killed by the thousands over the past several years in Panama and Cuba?
Posted by: malenkov | May 22 2022 14:47 utc | 42
@6 nervous German
i wanted to join, but for whatever reasons I'm geting the message that I'm allready banned.
admin bots on Telegram are a real pain in the a*s.
and there is somehow no way to ask why....
Posted by: kartoschka | May 22 2022 14:47 utc | 43
Trotzki @ 35
Your arguments are weak.
If the Ukrainian government and its US/NATO supporters thought that eastern Ukrainians were their brothers then they would not have been attacking them, but would have worked through the Minsk Agreements which are legitimate legal documents designed to prevent this conflict.
You can't leave out all the other aspects of US foreign policy as they provide more dots to connect which you, apparently, do not want to connect. All those dots make this about anti-war and anti-imperialism. I have no control over Russia, but I do have a responsibility to recognize what my country has done and is doing and how other nations react to those moves.
Separatists - why is that bad? Do people get to try to forge their own identities and governments? I suppose you think it was wrong for the American colonies to revolt against the British Empire? That's right, Britain tried to 'stomp out' the separatists, but yet here we are, trying to 'stomp out' everybody in the world who doesn't kowtow to our dictates.
I don't support the killing, but I am a realist, and Russia tried to negotiate, but the US/NATO refused. There's a reason I didn't join the US military despite a long tradition in my family - because I didn't trust my leaders to send me to kill. That doesn't mean I don't understand how power, politics, and leaders who are willing to use force will make decisions.
BTW - can you quote any 'cheerleading' for death and destruction in my post? No. If you are so anti-war, then try to get the US government to stop their wars all over the freakin' world, like the one they have been fomenting for quite a long time in Ukraine...or if you are a citizen of another western power, try to get them to stop following the US blindly.
Otherwise, don't try to paint me as a warmongering killer because I use facts and arguments to try to engage you debate.
Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 14:48 utc | 44
oh, and p.s. to the one who calls himself Trotzki:
Yes, you probably do want to see us cheerleading the next American invasion; after all, most Trotskyists do end up turning into neocons.
Posted by: malenkov | May 22 2022 14:49 utc | 45
@ Posted by: S | May 22 2022 14:40 utc | 41
Answered twice the googling worked and put a link to the join channel invite but the link hasn't passed.
So just thank you very much the advice was perfect
Posted by: W | May 22 2022 15:09 utc | 46
@ Objective Observer
thanks for your posts... it is difficult dealing with an ignoramus... i wouldn't try to reason with one myself...
Posted by: james | May 22 2022 15:13 utc | 47
I just read a post in the Saker like this:
Zelensky and the Polish President announce today that Western Ukraine will become temporarily part of Poland and thus protected by the NATO umbrella ?
Anybody has news about this?
Posted by: DutchZ | May 22 2022 15:14 utc | 48
no more food for trolls
you guys have dealt with it in a classy way with facts; now lets retire it.
Posted by: ld | May 22 2022 15:17 utc | 50
James @ 50
Thanks, but I've been trained to do this...I deal with little children all day long and listen to them deflect, deflect, deflect instead of taking responsibility. However, at some point, I give up and call their parents. Unfortunately, I have no recourse to that here.
Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 15:20 utc | 51
I doubt this is a good argument that you are trying to make.Posted by: Trotzki | May 22 2022 15:18 utc | 54
I wasn't making an argument; I was lampooning yours.
Your Xi'an-sized army of straw men doesn't particularly interest me.
Posted by: malenkov | May 22 2022 15:24 utc | 52
...it is difficult dealing with an ignoramus... i wouldn't try to reason with one myself...
Posted by: james | May 22 2022 15:13 utc | 50
Trotzki is not an ignoramus. His arguments smack of training. He uses the same type of obfuscation as most Western officials, journalists and other propagandists.
Posted by: Pagan | May 22 2022 15:24 utc | 53
Polish President Andrzej Duda is visiting Ukraine, and romance is in the air here.
Posted by: Don Bacon | May 22 2022 15:28 utc | 54
Posted by: Trotzki | May 22 2022 15:11 utc | 49
You starts from wrong assumptions and then you go with your flow of lies..There hasn't been any invasion,it's a special military operation as already said thousands of times..nobody needed protection from nato because Russia didn't threaten anyone..The only existing empire(hopefully for not long yet) is the UKUS agglomeration.You just lack the foundations of truth.
Posted by: LuBa | May 22 2022 15:32 utc | 55
In Marxist-Leninist circles we have a succinct formulation for people like this: "F*** off Trot!"
Trots either egoistically pretend not to see the forest for the trees; or they glow in the dark.
Wonder which one it is here?
The largest Communist Party in the world is in China (95m); the second-largest is in Russia (0.5m).
The important question is - is it possible to succeed Putinism with a renewed Union of Socialist States?
Putinism can be described as a mix of social democracy, Caesarism, and irredentism. Reliant on the technocratic ability of its figurehead for legitimacy, a real weakness is that this mix does not arouse much solidarity outside of the RF. This emboldens its enemies.
What about Belarus and the new Republics?
What deluge comes after Putin?
Posted by: moaobserver | May 22 2022 15:39 utc | 56
I've seen a pattern developing in MoA Ukulele threads, lately: with the majority of posts refuting some transparently lame nonsense. The last time this happened, Doug Hillman summed it up perfectly, I thought:
The sincerity of your concerns, couched in feigned ignorance, is no longer plausible.
When too many barflies are gulled by insincerity, it gives me a lot to scroll through, looking to find out what's going on in the real world.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 22 2022 15:42 utc | 57
@ ld | May 22 2022 15:17 utc | 53 - i agree id... wish it was that easy... i go along with you!
@ Objective Observer | May 22 2022 15:20 utc | 55
your work experience has come in handy!!
In the wake of Russian victory in Mariupol
i like how indian punchline communicates how this 54 billion to ukraine from the usa is essentially a loan... wall street, along with the military complex and etc definitely are looking for a payout. of that no one ought to be surprised....
"The combined American military aid for Ukraine now stands at $54 billion, which is about 81 percent of Russia’s 2021 defence budget. But, as Americans would say, there’s nothing like free lunch. The Ukraine Democracy Defense Lend-Lease Act of 2022 signed by Biden in May is patterned after the legislation used during World War II to supply weapons to allied countries, stipulating that these aid packages are actually debts that need to be paid back by Ukraine eventually.
Washington can claim compensation if Ukraine fails to redeem the debt, such as with the supply of cheap agricultural products by Ukraine, preferential business deals for American companies, and so on.
The Biden Administration probably hopes to ensure that the interest groups at the top echelons of leadership in Kiev continue with the war effort. Ukraine is a notoriously corrupt country and war profiteering on a massive scale can be expected. Much of the aid will be stolen by corrupt officials."
Posted by: james | May 22 2022 15:42 utc | 58
John Mark Dougan touring an Azov-facility in the vicinity of Mariupol.
he is a former Florida-cop with an interesting back-ground.
Posted by: Anne B | May 22 2022 15:46 utc | 59
Trotzki @ 59
Yes, some here support the Russian invasion/SMO. I don't support or oppose it, but recognize it as a result of historical processes which begin with US foreign policy that has tried to knock the USSR/Russia down since the end of WWII when the US refused to give the USSR loans to develop after the war in order to aggrandize itself. Read Hudson's Super Imperialism to get more information about that. Plus, we have to factor in the rabid anti-communism that has been a part of this country since the early 20th century and informs much of the thinking of economic and political elites in the US. Remember that Russia wanted to join NATO in 1999/2000, but for some reason (i.e. - independent spirit) was not allowed to, while a spate of other countries were allowed.
Russia recognizing the LDR before 2/15/22 would not have done a thing. Per the OSCE, Ukrainian forces started massively bombing eastern Ukraine on 2/15/22. Then, Russia did recognize them, and NATO/US/Ukraine could have decided to negotiate after that, but they did not. Instead, Russia recognized the independent status of LDR, signed treaties with them, invoked the UN Charter, and began their SMO/invasion/war/whatever. That's 8 days for the US/Nato/Ukraine to try to engage in productive talks, but they didn't do it, because they wanted war, and PUTIN is no Objective Observer.
Yes, there are people posting to this site who are supportive of war as a legitimate means of solving crises. Please be specific and respond to them individually with your criticism.
Glad we have at least agreed on one thing - the need for citizens of their own countries to try to exercise democratic control over their governments to change foreign policy.
Let's consider our repartee complete. Adieu.
Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 15:46 utc | 60
Absolutely hilarious change of tone in the Kiev Guardian Previously when one went onto this webpage, the American/Russian war was at the top of the page. Now it's slowly crawling away down to the sports page. When it reaches the bottom of the page, I guess it will just vanish.
Also, it used to be filled with outrageous '1984/Ingsoc' ish lies about victory just round the corner etc. etc. etc. (remember the last few pages of 1984, in which Winston sits in a bar and hears about how Oceania has finally broken through and that real victory is just round the corner?).
Now it's all just vague human interest stories, vague rambling about war crimes and interviews with Zelensky's wife who whines about how this has all been very difficult and has interfered with her social diary.
Hilarious!
Posted by: Hidari | May 22 2022 15:50 utc | 61
as Americans would say, there’s nothing like free lunch
I'd like to meet one of those. They must be new here, and have not picked up the lingo, paid taxes, appllied for SNAP, or sent a child to a US public school.
There is no free lunch.
Posted by: sln2002 | May 22 2022 15:50 utc | 62
@ moaobserver | May 22 2022 15:39 utc | 62
I think Putin is ok, but I don't trust him. He's far too nice and kind to the Yanquis, and far too frightened of a great power conflagration. Also he's a neoliberal. The key aim of the left should be to immediately get the Russian Communist Party back in power. Sadly the Eastern European states are too brainwashed and want to be dragged back to the poverty stricken nightmare that Western Europe is now facing, but in Russia there is at least a memory of when things were better.
Posted by: Hidari | May 22 2022 15:53 utc | 63
Those cheerleading Russia in invading their neighboring country: I want to see you cheerleading the next American invasion of Panama and Cuba. Posted by: Trotzki | May 22 2022 14:28 utc | 35
There are 2 types of "invasions", military and non-military. If the US had not invaded Ukraine via the coup in 2014, Ukraine would still be geographically intact. They appointed the government and cabinet, including a former State Dept. employee as Finance Minister. The CIA occupied the top floor of the SBU building in Kyiv and Ukrainians were not allowed to go there.
The modern parallels to Russia's actions are in the NATO lead breakup of Yugoslavia, not Iraq or Afghanistan.
As a Canadian, I find it laughable that our government did not push for Ukraine to implement the Minsk Accords. They would have given the East Ukraine Oblasts the same language, culture and political rights as Quebec has here in Canada. Pure hypocrisy, but exactly what is to be expected from a US vassal state.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | May 22 2022 15:58 utc | 64
@ trotzki
it's both and more.
biolabs, genozide, natzo
404 isn't a souverain entity since 2014
404 is not some innocent democratie
you think that borders are more important than people....
you think the cia and saudie terrorists in chechnia and the donbass people are the same....
see who is now fighting side by side.... chechens and donbass and russia....
it's the typical western attitude.
usually
your name is appropriate
Posted by: kartoschka | May 22 2022 15:59 utc | 65
...Much of the aid will be stolen by corrupt officials."
Posted by: james | May 22 2022 15:42 utc | 64
Depends what you mean but 'much.' Considering that most of the aid package will go straight into the pockets of the US MIC, the leftover (still a fair amount) will be consumed as expenses by, among others, said corrupt officials. If this package is conceived as a loan, similar to IMF/World Bank conditional loans, it would still require the money to be spent on Western weapons and Western advisers.
Posted by: Pagan | May 22 2022 15:59 utc | 66
Yugoslavia was destroyed by US & NATO. The bust up began in the Reagan admin. Each successive admin, piled on until Yugoslavia was finally destroyed.
A similar approach was used to foment the Maidan coup. You've got to drive wedges btw various groups - encourage existing prejudices, create divisions. exacerbate any tensions available. (Hutus vs Tutsis in Central Africa serves as a stark, familiar example). You've got to throw a lot of money around. By you, I mean the CIA.
So the NAZI's, Banderites were the ones who would serve the US NATO. They obviously don't care who they must use to accomplish destabilization.
Google Maidan Coup (It's called a "revolution").
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | May 22 2022 16:00 utc | 67
Posted by: DutchZ | May 22 2022 15:14 utc | 51
Zelensky and the Polish President announce today that Western Ukraine will become temporarily part of Poland and thus protected by the NATO umbrella ?
A picture is worth a thousand words...
https://twitter.com/RWApodcast/status/1528364800950116354?cxt=HHwWhIC9_Yrs67UqAAAA
Quite some time ago I hypothesized that Poland would get a slice of Ukraine. Perhaps the above picture is backed by this dialog/exchange:
[No-Zee]elensky: I give the remaining bits of western Ukraine to you for safe-keeping.
Duda: Thank you; we have been wanting this land to return to us for a long time now- your people will now become EU citizens and NATO club members- WIN!
Posted by: Seer | May 22 2022 16:00 utc | 68
Dale, anything from Business Insider is propaganda. Not worth a read.
Posted by: ARTYMIS FOUL | May 22 2022 16:00 utc | 69
@ DutchZ | May 22 2022 15:14 utc | 51
Is there any historical precedent for a state to temporarily cede sovereignty over some of its territory to another state by mutual agreement? Is there anything in international law, such as it is, that deals with such matters?
Would "territory temporarily ceded by a non-NATO state to a NATO state" be included under NATO Article 5 obligations?
Posted by: malenkov | May 22 2022 16:06 utc | 70
James @ 64
One interesting thing I've found in some of my studies (about the formation of the USA, Honduras, and Haiti) is that powerful countries and their bankers use loans to create subservient governments in foreign nations, especially during civil wars. The US Constitution was formed because wealthy financial interests and the Continental Congress were indebted to others, and thus needed to find ways to pay off those to whom they were beholden. The Articles of Confederation did not allow that, so a more powerful government that actually looked exactly like the government that had been overthrown during the War for American Independence was created...one that was centralized, ready to tax and spend, and ready to use war to begin an "Empire of Liberty"...thus completing the American Revolution from a country governed by a king and parliament that used force to gain land and loot, to one governed by a president and a Congress that used force to gain land and loot. Ending up in the same place...arguably. In the case of the US, bankers/landed gentry used the new US government to indebt and control the new citizens of the USA and the states they lived in.
Honduras in the 19th century formed after a civil war and left the new government indebted to foreigners...a debt that if I recall my research correctly, continued to be paid well into the 20th century and making Honduras ready to be manipulated.
Haiti was forced by France to take out huge loans from US Banks (either Chase Bank or Citi Bank's forerunner) to cover the cost of Haiti freeing slaves during the Haitian Revolution. That has kept Haiti in the throes of US power since the early 18th century.
What the US is doing to Ukraine is no different.
Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 16:07 utc | 72
Interesting piece of news from the Torygraph, not previously mentioned by Regime Media.
'Russia has been waiting for this moment
While the dried earth of the Ukrainian steppe presents advantages for tank movements, the fields of Donbas are still littered with danger, writes Roland Oliphant.
When Vladimir Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine, it was winter.
It was a war of snow, sleet and thick sinking mud that clung to boots and caterpillar tracks, confining ill-fated Russian columns to narrow roads where they were sitting ducks for the Ukrainian gunners.
Now, it is a different story.
In the fields of Donbas, the earth is being dried by a friendly late spring sun, and the fresh green shoots of young crops are appearing even where rocket strikes have left black marks on the steppe.
In the wetlands around Slavyansk, the distant sounds of battle are drowned out by croaking frogs. '
Whatever one thinks about Putin he has picked his time well. No chance of being attacked by General Winter. From now on, fighting conditions will only get easier for him.
As I've said in previous posts, I doubt the Russians will want to be still fighting at Christmas. I am guessing that the bulk of the fighting will be over by September and the whole operation over by November. Then it just remains to hold referenda in the conquered territory as to whether or not they want to stay in Russia. Most will. Then....That's it all over. The Amerikan attack on Russia and China will of course continue, this is just the first battle of a 40 year war, but Russia will have won the first skirmish.
Posted by: Hidari | May 22 2022 16:08 utc | 73
Posted by: c1ue | May 21 2022 13:57 utc | 281
Hi, in the old thread, "Ukraine SitRep - Russians Break Through U.S. Bolsterism", you mentioned Brad Delong's analysis of what would be required to overturn the US dollar as global reserve currency - notably China doesn't fulfill most of his criteria.
Do you have a link for more information? I have been thinking about this topic and I tried to look it up on the web but I couldn't find any. Thanks a lot.
Posted by: ETA | May 22 2022 16:13 utc | 74
@ Pagan | May 22 2022 15:59 utc | 72
yes.. i agree with you... by the way - that is a quote from the link and not a quote of mine.. cheers..
@ Objective Observer | May 22 2022 16:07 utc | 78
absolutely true! i read the book 'confessions of an economic hit man'... fantastic book that sums it up really well... check it out if you haven't read it..
Posted by: james | May 22 2022 16:14 utc | 75
From IntelSlava
🇧🇾🇺🇦⚡State Secretary of the Belarusian Security Council Alexander Volfovich: Attempts by Ukrainian DRGs to enter the territory of Belarus are recorded.
Posted by: Down South | May 22 2022 16:16 utc | 76
Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 16:07 utc | 78
A+
Posted by: sln2002 | May 22 2022 16:17 utc | 77
Trotzki | May 22 2022 14:28 utc | 35
Precisely. I do not know about cheer-leading, but understanding, certainly. How about another example? Say the Palestinians leasing a parcel of land out to Iran for on offensive outpost, or the Mexicans to China on the Southern border of the US?
There are other relevant questions about this issue: how has it come about that the Ukrainians were so impoverished that they were forced to consider such options? How was the country privatized and to whom? Is there any nation that is at the receiving end of the pilfered goods?
You see, there are several questions, if you happen to have an inquisitive mind, and you obviously do.
Posted by: @vec | May 22 2022 16:23 utc | 78
@ETA #80
Sorry, I don't. I read it at least 10 years ago but have kept it front of mind the entire time.
What DeLong said was needed to replace the USD as world reserve currency was:
1) An economy large enough to supply a base for the new reserve currency. Only the US, EU, Japan and China qualified (at that time). The EU clearly doesn't want to as euro use is almost exactly consistent with the EU's role in world trade. Japan is utterly sold out to the US dollar. Thus only China fits the bill (besides the US)
2) The currency must be free floating in order to maximize efficiency in the capital markets. The yuan/renminbi is not.
3) The currency must be convertible - i.e. no capital controls. The yuan/renminbi is not.
China also has specific prerogatives which Free Trade and Neoliberal economists like DeLong are diametrically opposed to: government control over the financial system (the US basically has none) and retention of capital (The US doesn't have capital controls, but doesn't need them because it can create capital anytime it wants by issuing dollars).
I have further noted that the e-yuan - the biggest CBDC in existence right now - might be a vehicle through which China can have its cake and eat it too. The blockchain setup for e-yuan theoretically enables China to seamlessly separate "domestic" vs. "foreign" yuan, and also greatly facilitates capital controls.
Note I'm not saying DeLong is wrong in his requirements per se - I am saying that he made assumptions on the underlying flows which are frankly not A/B tested.
Posted by: c1ue | May 22 2022 16:24 utc | 79
James @ 81
I meant to write 19th century for Haiti's debt origination...not 18th century. My bad.
Also, I went to conference where Perkins spoke about his revelation that when he was in the Caribbean sitting on the remnants of a slave plantation on vacation basking in the glow of the wealth he had accrued as an economic hitman that he was in essence the same slavemaster. Further, his transformation continued when he was near-death in a remote jungle and a shaman thought he was a gonner until he started to cry, at which point the shaman administered ayahuasca and a further transformation occurred. I thought jokingly that if we could only give psychedelics to all of our leaders that they would 'see the light'.
Unfortunately, I then remembered that psychedelics, specifically mushrooms, were used by the Mexica (also called the Aztecs) to prepare for battle by connecting with the war god, Hutizilopochtli.
So, now I am more fearful than ever for the world because psychedelic manufacturers are trying to woo the elite at Davos...and I think those powerful substances might be use more for war than peace...but who knows.
Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 16:24 utc | 80
"Russia is a kleptocracy, a mafia elite stealing what they can."
leandro | May 22 2022 15:52 utc | 69
Late 80's thinking, AT IT'S FINEST!
But the RUSSIAN OLIGARCHS WERE MERE CHEAP COPIES of Western Elites, Khazarian Mafia and (((central banksters))), who have been perfecting their nefarious craft for more than 200 years, and who now wear the banners of the US/UK/NATO!
Posted by: Qtto | May 22 2022 16:25 utc | 81
Natural resource based state capitalism has taken natural resources from the capital side of the equation and moved to the labor side. Once finance capital moves away from fiat to resource based currency and collateral, the balance will have shifted to a new paradigm.
Posted by: FredF | May 22 2022 16:29 utc | 82
Objective Observer @ 86
Get your act together, man. It's Huitzilopochtli, not Hutizilopochtli. And it's used, not use.
I think I'm done posting for the morning...my fingers and mind are losing it, and I hate making typos.
I'm tabbing out for the day. La cuenta, por favor. Back later.
Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 16:31 utc | 83
government control over the financial system (the US basically has none) and retention of capital (The US doesn't have capital controls, but doesn't need them because it can create capital anytime it wants by issuing dollars).
Posted by: c1ue | May 22 2022 16:24 utc | 85
That there is some low-grade Goebbels-quality big lie.
Read what you posted: "US doesn't need [capital controls] because [US Treasury] can create capital anytime it wants by issuing dollars [US debentures]."
For your trouble, I award you three (3) Krugman Memorial Varsity Letters.
(a) "What this means, I believe, is that a country with its own currency would not be subject to the kind of self-fulfilling panic that is now arguably hitting Italy."
(b) "Debt Is (Mostly) Money We Owe to Ourselves"
(c) "Economics Is not a Morality Play"
Posted by: sln2002 | May 22 2022 16:35 utc | 84
Posted by: leandro | May 22 2022 15:52 utc | 69
Russia is a kleptocracy, a mafia elite stealing what they can.
Ukraine is a perfect data point on what kleptoracies look like. Huge national debt levels, negative trade balance = theft from the national coffers.
Your assignment to back up your claims is to report back on the debt levels and trade balances of each of the following countries (preferably 2021 data):
1) Ukraine;
2) Russia;
3) USA.
Posted by: Seer | May 22 2022 16:37 utc | 85
Trotzki | May 22 2022 14:28 utc | 35
Let me clarify it for you:
The Russian Federation is fighting NATO proxies, by any other name.
Posted by: donten | May 22 2022 16:41 utc | 86
Objective Obsertver 78
an apt comparison and SOP for empire of chaos.
James I concur.
Most, if not all monies will line pockets already filled with ill-gotten-loot.
SSDD
the greedy guts
can't get enuff
the troughs are packed
the pigs are stuffed
but none for you
cuz times are tuff
prepeare for round two of the pandemic experiments
Posted by: ld | May 22 2022 16:43 utc | 87
Posted by: sln2002 | May 22 2022 16:35 utc | 90
For your trouble, I award you three (3) Krugman Memorial Varsity Letters.
Sure is a tough crowd here today! :-) (c1ue is a good enough person, and though I agree that virtual-produced capital isn't likely going to hold up to further scrutiny/acceptance by the world, nailing him with this award seems a bit harsh!)
Posted by: Seer | May 22 2022 16:45 utc | 88
Video of an american soldier that show up in the streets of Ukraine!
US army instructor in Krivoy Rog. The first video confirming the participation of the US Armed Forces as a party to the conflicthttps://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/4316
Posted by: Zanon | May 22 2022 16:45 utc | 89
@ Objective Observer | May 22 2022 16:24 utc | 86
thanks.. that is fascinating! you have a lot of interesting insights and i haven't made any of these types of connections, or seen anyone make them before.. most of the people including myself who used mushrooms for a psychedelic experience didn't think of them as triggering that type of response!
ignore the jerk who has hijacked your user name... cheers
Posted by: james | May 22 2022 16:47 utc | 90
James @ 96
That jerk is me (which I think you picked up on)...just a little self-effacement. Also, I had a friend when I was younger who told me about fighting when he was on LSD, and he said there was a strange clarity he experienced during the violence.
I really mean it now...going back to bed. Thanks!
Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 16:54 utc | 91
"Mary's Mosaic" is the story of the murder of (CIA) Cord Meyer's ex-wife, girlfriend of JFK, 2 years after the JFK murder, the requisite framing of a (diminutive black man) patsy (he was acquitted!).
Mary & JFK's use of marijuana and LSD.
There is some allusion to the acid trips having made JFK see the light as peacenik.
Posted by: Chaka Khagan | May 22 2022 16:58 utc | 92
Also, I had a friend when I was younger who told me about fighting when he was on LSD, and he said there was a strange clarity he experienced during the violence.
Yea, I got attacked by a pack of wild dogs while high on mushrooms in Costa Rica.
There was clarity.
Posted by: Duncan Idaho | May 22 2022 16:59 utc | 93
if everyone micro-dosed mushrooms on a daily basis the world would be a lot better place
you won't see these deployed by any nefarious government drones lol
"You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world.”
― Terence McKenna
OT
sorry b
Posted by: ld | May 22 2022 16:59 utc | 94
Re: #74, DutchZ...That is not 'No-Zee'. It is 'Not-Zee' Just say it out loud and you will agree.
This is a conflict between 'Z' and 'Not-Zee'
Posted by: Richard Whitney | May 22 2022 17:10 utc | 95
@sln2002 #90
Ouch, that is a zinger since I do consider Krugman to be an epic moron.
However, even epic morons aren't always wrong.
Since you seem to disagree, perhaps you can point to the massive foreign currency reserves the US possesses, and position them in relation to US debt - either overall or even just to foreigners.
Then compare those numbers with similar numbers for other countries.
Posted by: c1ue | May 22 2022 17:20 utc | 96
Re: #74, DutchZ...That is not 'No-Zee'. It is 'Not-Zee' Just say it out loud and you will agree. This is a conflict between 'Z' and 'Not-Zee'Posted by: Richard Whitney | May 22 2022 17:10 utc | 102
Phonetically "No-Zee" as in Nosey Parker, also works:
"the expression alludes to overly inquisitive people who 'stick their noses in' other people's business" (aka US and NATO)
Posted by: Opport Knocks | May 22 2022 17:22 utc | 97
Trotzki is not an ignoramus. His arguments smack of training. He uses the same type of obfuscation as most Western officials, journalists and other propagandists.
Posted by: Pagan | May 22 2022 15:24 utc | 57,
Indeed; like his purposefully ignoring 8 years of Ukie Azov shelling of Donbass civilian apartment high rises...Notice how all the westernized media followers never cite that genocide fact.
Posted by: ERing46Z | May 22 2022 17:30 utc | 98
malenkov@76
The successive partitions of Poland probably provide the nearest thing. The first partition, in 1772, was certainly ratified by the Sjem, parliament. The second partition in 1793 was also ratified by the Sjem.
Posted by: bevin | May 22 2022 17:32 utc | 99
The successive partitions of Poland probably provide the nearest thing. The first partition, in 1772, was certainly ratified by the Sjem, parliament. The second partition in 1793 was also ratified by the Sjem.Posted by: bevin | May 22 2022 17:32 utc | 106
But those partitions weren't regarded as temporary by all of the signatories, were they?
Posted by: malenkov | May 22 2022 17:39 utc | 100
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Lie or damnable lie ? 130 Russian tanks destroyed in Kharkiv ...
https://www.businessinsider.com/captured-documents-say-elite-russian-unit-lost-tanks-kharkiv-ukraine-2022-5?fbclid=IwAR3te9f7YpThHbOAOIwebvBWaHoxb1sIxJ2ojc7TXMY3urvXzmXQ-N-iuT4
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