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May 22, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-71
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The open thread for other issues is here.
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Lie or damnable lie ? 130 Russian tanks destroyed in Kharkiv … Posted by: Dale | May 22 2022 12:02 utc | 1 Journalists get their first look inside the abandoned Azov headquarters. Posted by: PatrickMcMilan707 | May 22 2022 12:14 utc | 2 From Pepe’s Telegram with a pic of Klaus Schwab:
These people hate simple and rather populist answers for simple problems because it would render them useless; thus their disdain for real democracy and the voice of the people. I think this is something else where Putin and Xi are on the same page. Posted by: Nervous German | May 22 2022 12:47 utc | 3 @ Posted by: Dale | May 22 2022 12:02 utc | 1 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 22 2022 12:49 utc | 4 @ Posted by: Nervous German | May 22 2022 12:47 utc | 3 Posted by: W | May 22 2022 13:01 utc | 5 @ W/#5: Pepe Escobar’s telegram channel is private, is there a known way to get invitation for it ? Posted by: Nervous German | May 22 2022 13:05 utc | 6 On popular support in Russia and why so many young Russians want to leave and why Russia’s brain drain costs years of progress in science and tech. Posted by: Nervous German | May 22 2022 13:20 utc | 7 There are already videos of the interior of the Azovstal bunkers where the crem of the crem of the Ukrainian Marines and nazi battallions remained without knowing what a fight is.. Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 22 2022 13:21 utc | 8 @Posted by: W | May 22 2022 13:01 utc | 5 Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 22 2022 13:25 utc | 9 Russia never gave a damn about winning the proganda war in the West as they never stood a chance.
Facts on the ground will dictate the end result. Posted by: Down South | May 22 2022 13:32 utc | 10 Israelis have staged a protest in support of the Azov Battalion: photos. In the first photo, a woman can be seen holding a sign that reads “Let my Azov go!” in Russian (referencing “Let my people go!”). Meanwhile, Russians continue to photograph captured Azov Battalion members and their slightly right-wing tattoos: photos. Posted by: S | May 22 2022 13:32 utc | 11 Well, some hints that will give you an idea on what reality of thigs is… Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 22 2022 13:34 utc | 12 Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 22 2022 13:25 utc | 9 Posted by: Nervous German | May 22 2022 13:36 utc | 13 Either Russia is extremely naive or this is all theater. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 22 2022 13:36 utc | 14
Sorry, but no. trying the link provided by Nervous German (“>https://t.me/c/1394010098/3662) lead to this :
Posted by: W | May 22 2022 13:42 utc | 15 ” However, latest UN data show that Russia is a net immigration country, meaning that more people come to stay than are leaving. Posted by: Deplorable Commissar | May 22 2022 13:42 utc | 16 It’s an old opinion piece written before the Russian SMO but it explains why Ukraine is so critical to Israel Posted by: Down South | May 22 2022 13:46 utc | 17 Trotzki @ 10 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 13:46 utc | 18 Muslim world in Middle East understands why Putin launched a SMO. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 13:47 utc | 19 @W #5:
His private channel is set to auto-join. All you have to do is install the Telegram app (private channels can’t be viewed with a web browser), then click the “JOIN CHANNEL” button on the landing page, which will add his channel to your Telegram app. Posted by: S | May 22 2022 13:47 utc | 20 With most eastern European nationalists being firmly convinced that Ukraine is wining and will win, what happens when they discover that Ukraine has lost and has been losing the whole time? Will we see the rebirth of Dolchstoßlegende (the stab in the back myth)? Who will be the targets for this anger? Jews (Zelensky is Jewish), France, Germany and Italy for not backing Ukraine enough? Washington and London for lying and encouraging Ukraine to continue the war when it should have surrendered. What form will the retribution take? Javelins and NLAWs? Stingers and StarStreaks? Thankfully it appears Ukraine has lost all the M777s to Russian actions, but all those shells will make wonderful IEDs as they did in Iraq. Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 22 2022 13:47 utc | 21 The Nazi’s have set up heavy artillery in schools and kindergartens, and are using local civilians in the Dontesk as human shields. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 13:50 utc | 22 Think of all the poor haircutters – informed of the facts of the conflict who must listen to fools absorbed in the mainstream narratives. Posted by: Chaka Khagan | May 22 2022 13:52 utc | 23 Top Russian lawmakers don’t want the Nazi’s from the Azov battalion to be allowed exchanged for Russian troops, they want the Nazi’s to be tried and sentenced and who could blame them. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 13:55 utc | 24 Russia hits back at Canada and bars its Nazi loving PM and Canadian military commanders for entering the country. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 13:58 utc | 25 Objective Observer @ 19 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 13:58 utc | 26 @W #5 Posted by: S | May 22 2022 14:00 utc | 27 @ #23 Posted by: rk | May 22 2022 14:01 utc | 28 @ Posted by: S | May 22 2022 13:47 utc | 21 Posted by: W | May 22 2022 14:08 utc | 29 Ukrainian Nazi’s burned down house in Mariupol with resident still inside them. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 14:10 utc | 30 Ukrainian Nazi’s tried to get past the RF at the Azovstal complex dressed as civilians when the civilians were eventually released they were picked out after questioning and detained. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 14:17 utc | 31 The head of the Nazi’s in the Azovstal taken out in armoured car as the civilians in Mariupol wanted to murder him. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 14:22 utc | 32 @Dale #1 Posted by: c1ue | May 22 2022 14:22 utc | 33 Quoting… Posted by: SailorsWife | May 22 2022 14:31 utc | 34 @Nervous German #7 Posted by: c1ue | May 22 2022 14:31 utc | 35 Russia steps up its banning list of American’s now not allowed into Russia. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 22 2022 14:33 utc | 36 Posted by: Trotzki | May 22 2022 14:28 utc | 35 Posted by: gottlieb | May 22 2022 14:34 utc | 37 Posted by: Trotzki | May 22 2022 14:28 utc | 35 Posted by: gottlieb | May 22 2022 14:34 utc | 38 @W #30:
I didn’t say you should follow Nervous German’s link. I said you should google “Pepe Escobar Telegram”, open the link and click the “JOIN CHANNEL” button. Posted by: S | May 22 2022 14:40 utc | 39 Re: Finland and Sweden Posted by: c1ue | May 22 2022 14:40 utc | 40 The duped Dubya Bush says “Times Change”. By that he meant that that the USA is not required to uphold agreements. Ergo, the USA can lie about NATO expansion because it does not adhere to International Law, but to its own set of rules which constitute its “rules-based order”. Posted by: Chaka Khagan | May 22 2022 14:46 utc | 41
. . . Posted by: malenkov | May 22 2022 14:47 utc | 42 @6 nervous German Posted by: kartoschka | May 22 2022 14:47 utc | 43 Trotzki @ 35 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 14:48 utc | 44 oh, and p.s. to the one who calls himself Trotzki: Posted by: malenkov | May 22 2022 14:49 utc | 45 @ Posted by: S | May 22 2022 14:40 utc | 41 Posted by: W | May 22 2022 15:09 utc | 46 @ Objective Observer Posted by: james | May 22 2022 15:13 utc | 47 I just read a post in the Saker like this: Posted by: DutchZ | May 22 2022 15:14 utc | 48 Pepe,s VK page for those who want it, Posted by: deal | May 22 2022 15:15 utc | 49 no more food for trolls Posted by: ld | May 22 2022 15:17 utc | 50 James @ 50 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 15:20 utc | 51
I wasn’t making an argument; I was lampooning yours. Posted by: malenkov | May 22 2022 15:24 utc | 52 …it is difficult dealing with an ignoramus… i wouldn’t try to reason with one myself… Posted by: Pagan | May 22 2022 15:24 utc | 53 Polish President Andrzej Duda is visiting Ukraine, and romance is in the air here. Posted by: Don Bacon | May 22 2022 15:28 utc | 54 Posted by: Trotzki | May 22 2022 15:11 utc | 49 Posted by: LuBa | May 22 2022 15:32 utc | 55 In Marxist-Leninist circles we have a succinct formulation for people like this: “F*** off Trot!” Posted by: moaobserver | May 22 2022 15:39 utc | 56 I’ve seen a pattern developing in MoA Ukulele threads, lately: with the majority of posts refuting some transparently lame nonsense. The last time this happened, Doug Hillman summed it up perfectly, I thought:
When too many barflies are gulled by insincerity, it gives me a lot to scroll through, looking to find out what’s going on in the real world. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 22 2022 15:42 utc | 57 @ ld | May 22 2022 15:17 utc | 53 – i agree id… wish it was that easy… i go along with you! Posted by: james | May 22 2022 15:42 utc | 58 John Mark Dougan touring an Azov-facility in the vicinity of Mariupol. Posted by: Anne B | May 22 2022 15:46 utc | 59 Trotzki @ 59 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 15:46 utc | 60 Absolutely hilarious change of tone in the Kiev Guardian Previously when one went onto this webpage, the American/Russian war was at the top of the page. Now it’s slowly crawling away down to the sports page. When it reaches the bottom of the page, I guess it will just vanish. Posted by: Hidari | May 22 2022 15:50 utc | 61 as Americans would say, there’s nothing like free lunch Posted by: sln2002 | May 22 2022 15:50 utc | 62 @ moaobserver | May 22 2022 15:39 utc | 62 Posted by: Hidari | May 22 2022 15:53 utc | 63
There are 2 types of “invasions”, military and non-military. If the US had not invaded Ukraine via the coup in 2014, Ukraine would still be geographically intact. They appointed the government and cabinet, including a former State Dept. employee as Finance Minister. The CIA occupied the top floor of the SBU building in Kyiv and Ukrainians were not allowed to go there. Posted by: Opport Knocks | May 22 2022 15:58 utc | 64 @ trotzki Posted by: kartoschka | May 22 2022 15:59 utc | 65 …Much of the aid will be stolen by corrupt officials.” Posted by: Pagan | May 22 2022 15:59 utc | 66 Yugoslavia was destroyed by US & NATO. The bust up began in the Reagan admin. Each successive admin, piled on until Yugoslavia was finally destroyed. Posted by: Chaka Khagan | May 22 2022 16:00 utc | 67 Posted by: DutchZ | May 22 2022 15:14 utc | 51
A picture is worth a thousand words… Posted by: Seer | May 22 2022 16:00 utc | 68 Dale, anything from Business Insider is propaganda. Not worth a read. Posted by: ARTYMIS FOUL | May 22 2022 16:00 utc | 69 @ DutchZ | May 22 2022 15:14 utc | 51 Posted by: malenkov | May 22 2022 16:06 utc | 70 Is this a propaganda Posted by: Andrew | May 22 2022 16:06 utc | 71 James @ 64 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 16:07 utc | 72 Interesting piece of news from the Torygraph, not previously mentioned by Regime Media. Posted by: Hidari | May 22 2022 16:08 utc | 73 Posted by: c1ue | May 21 2022 13:57 utc | 281 Posted by: ETA | May 22 2022 16:13 utc | 74 @ Pagan | May 22 2022 15:59 utc | 72 Posted by: james | May 22 2022 16:14 utc | 75 From IntelSlava
Posted by: Down South | May 22 2022 16:16 utc | 76 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 16:07 utc | 78 Posted by: sln2002 | May 22 2022 16:17 utc | 77 Trotzki | May 22 2022 14:28 utc | 35 Posted by: @vec | May 22 2022 16:23 utc | 78 @ETA #80 Posted by: c1ue | May 22 2022 16:24 utc | 79 James @ 81 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 16:24 utc | 80 “Russia is a kleptocracy, a mafia elite stealing what they can.” Posted by: Qtto | May 22 2022 16:25 utc | 81 Natural resource based state capitalism has taken natural resources from the capital side of the equation and moved to the labor side. Once finance capital moves away from fiat to resource based currency and collateral, the balance will have shifted to a new paradigm. Posted by: FredF | May 22 2022 16:29 utc | 82 Objective Observer @ 86 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 16:31 utc | 83 government control over the financial system (the US basically has none) and retention of capital (The US doesn’t have capital controls, but doesn’t need them because it can create capital anytime it wants by issuing dollars). Posted by: sln2002 | May 22 2022 16:35 utc | 84 Posted by: leandro | May 22 2022 15:52 utc | 69
Ukraine is a perfect data point on what kleptoracies look like. Huge national debt levels, negative trade balance = theft from the national coffers. Posted by: Seer | May 22 2022 16:37 utc | 85 Trotzki | May 22 2022 14:28 utc | 35 Posted by: donten | May 22 2022 16:41 utc | 86 Objective Obsertver 78 Posted by: ld | May 22 2022 16:43 utc | 87 Posted by: sln2002 | May 22 2022 16:35 utc | 90
Sure is a tough crowd here today! 🙂 (c1ue is a good enough person, and though I agree that virtual-produced capital isn’t likely going to hold up to further scrutiny/acceptance by the world, nailing him with this award seems a bit harsh!) Posted by: Seer | May 22 2022 16:45 utc | 88 Video of an american soldier that show up in the streets of Ukraine!
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/4316 Posted by: Zanon | May 22 2022 16:45 utc | 89 @ Objective Observer | May 22 2022 16:24 utc | 86 Posted by: james | May 22 2022 16:47 utc | 90 James @ 96 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 22 2022 16:54 utc | 91 “Mary’s Mosaic” is the story of the murder of (CIA) Cord Meyer’s ex-wife, girlfriend of JFK, 2 years after the JFK murder, the requisite framing of a (diminutive black man) patsy (he was acquitted!). Posted by: Chaka Khagan | May 22 2022 16:58 utc | 92 Also, I had a friend when I was younger who told me about fighting when he was on LSD, and he said there was a strange clarity he experienced during the violence. Posted by: Duncan Idaho | May 22 2022 16:59 utc | 93 if everyone micro-dosed mushrooms on a daily basis the world would be a lot better place Posted by: ld | May 22 2022 16:59 utc | 94 Re: #74, DutchZ…That is not ‘No-Zee’. It is ‘Not-Zee’ Just say it out loud and you will agree. Posted by: Richard Whitney | May 22 2022 17:10 utc | 95 @sln2002 #90 Posted by: c1ue | May 22 2022 17:20 utc | 96
Phonetically “No-Zee” as in Nosey Parker, also works: Posted by: Opport Knocks | May 22 2022 17:22 utc | 97 Trotzki is not an ignoramus. His arguments smack of training. He uses the same type of obfuscation as most Western officials, journalists and other propagandists. Posted by: ERing46Z | May 22 2022 17:30 utc | 98 malenkov@76 Posted by: bevin | May 22 2022 17:32 utc | 99
But those partitions weren’t regarded as temporary by all of the signatories, were they? Posted by: malenkov | May 22 2022 17:39 utc | 100 |
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