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May 19, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-69
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The open thread for other issues is here.
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Big Time Must Read!!! From yesterday, Remarks by Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the OSCE Alexander Lukashevich at the OSCE Permanent Council meeting on U.S. biological programmes and activities in Ukraine. Here’re three core paragraphs from the report given in Russian:
And there’s more. If requested, I’ll post the entire 16 paragraphs. IMO, it’s quite clear the Outlaw US Empire is in grave violation of the relevant treaties governing Bioweapons which pose a threat to the entire world, not just Russia and Ukraine. It’s also clear that in this specific case the law breaking began under Obama/Biden, continued under Trump/Pence where further weaponization and actual use of illegal agents was performed, and was continued by Biden/Harris. Compared to Colin Powell’s vial of dish soap, genuine evidence, documentation and witnesses exist to prove the Outlaw US Empire guilty of heinous crimes against humanity. Posted by: Lysias | May 20 2022 12:40 utc | 251 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 20 2022 16:40 utc | 302 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 20 2022 11:45 utc | 243 Posted by: Lex | May 20 2022 16:43 utc | 303 In a world of fair play your comment would make sense. This is America. Posted by: pretzelattack | May 20 2022 16:50 utc | 304 Thank You Karlof1 Posted by: ld | May 20 2022 16:51 utc | 305 Posted by: Tim | May 20 2022 10:39 utc | 227 Posted by: Greg Galloway | May 20 2022 16:55 utc | 306 Et Tu @289 re Monkeypox and the post above with the WHO link to an emergency meeting. Two observations really. The first, I’m thinking of all those secret biolabs the USA have set up around the world. I suspect there is a high probability this alleged ‘outbreak’ is linked somehow. The second, the massive hysterical and persistent propaganda campaign around Covid across the World but particularly in Europe underpinned by industrial levels of censorship led to citizens of all those nations being basically, in a permanent state of hysteria. Covid narrative segued into the same hysterical and persistent propaganda campaign against Russia underpinned by industrial levels of censorship and the most virulent reporting of fake news, misinformation and a vicious, malicious, vitriolic campaign against Russia. I’m thinking the USA and the EU (I don’t think UK because BoJo is such an idiot) are not so much fed up with the Ukraine but recognise that Russia has got this one. They are going to be left with a lot of egg on their faces. Also, the collective West is likely to start to experience serious civil unrest and disobedience in the coming months but most certainly in the Autumn and I think France will ignite that. So, what better to keep the hysteria going than another ‘pandemimc’ (which it won’t be of course) and for Governments to once again, remove the rights of their citizens. As Tucker Carlson said, Hysteria has now become the language of the country and it is not a healthy language upon which to build a normal, peaceful healthy nation. Posted by: Jo Dominich | May 20 2022 17:11 utc | 307 bevin @ 146; Had to be said… Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 20 2022 17:14 utc | 308 Today’s discussion by Russia’s Security Council centered on “increasing the stability and security of the functioning of the information infrastructure of the state;” in other words, protecting against cyber attacks. Here are Putin’s opening remarks:
And again, much more is discussed, including the outline of the new policy, which includes the directive to reduce reliance on Western soft and hardware to zero, a collaborative effort that will involve China since it faces the same threats. The additional comment by Patrushev provided by the Kremlin was most welcome. Here’re Putin’s remarks on import substitution:
Given what I’ve observed regarding the computing abilities of pre-teen youth in organizations like the Knowledge Society and their elder peers, Russia should have no problem in dealing with this issue which will enrich its security, economy and society. War produces technological innovations faster because of the additional motivation it provides, which is why Russia has handled the illegal sanctions so well. On the other hand, the Outlaw US Empire and its NATO vassals are under no such pressure and will produce nothing, thus falling behind in another critical area–again. Posted by: karlof1 | May 20 2022 16:31 utc | 297
By experimenting on the population of Ukraine, the Empire of Lies and the Ukrainian government were in breach of the Nuremberg Code. It looks the Azov/Aidar battalions were not the only Nazis operating in Ukraine. Posted by: cirsium | May 20 2022 17:27 utc | 310 As to the sex charges against Ritter: Posted by: aquadraht | May 20 2022 17:28 utc | 311 @Jo Dominich | May 20 2022 17:11 utc | 308 Posted by: Norwegian | May 20 2022 17:29 utc | 312 https://gpovanman.wordpress.com/2022/05/19/holodomor-2-0/ Posted by: Barofsky | May 20 2022 17:49 utc | 313 “…If requested, I’ll post the entire 16 paragraphs. IMO, it’s quite clear the Outlaw US Empire is in grave violation of the relevant treaties governing Bioweapons which pose a threat to the entire world, not just Russia and Ukraine. It’s also clear that in this specific case the law breaking began under Obama/Biden, continued under Trump/Pence where further weaponization and actual use of illegal agents was performed, and was continued by Biden/Harris. Compared to Colin Powell’s vial of dish soap, genuine evidence, documentation and witnesses exist to prove the Outlaw US Empire guilty of heinous crimes against humanity…” karlof1 @302 Posted by: bevin | May 20 2022 18:03 utc | 314 … Afterthought: German mittelstand know-how is a Big Deal. Posted by: anon2020 | May 20 2022 18:27 utc | 315 FYI: Posted by: Barofsky | May 20 2022 18:58 utc | 316 Be aware of single-minded partisan ideologues. Posted by: Drapetomaniac | May 20 2022 19:11 utc | 317
Sometimes it’s worth distinguishing between pedophilia and ephebophilia. Americans, drunk and hypnotized by binary thought, seem to think that sex with someone at the age of 17 years and 364 days is an unspeakably immoral and criminal act, whereas sex with someone exactly one day older is, while eyebrow-raising, okay. Posted by: malenkov | May 20 2022 19:23 utc | 318 Posted by: malenkov | May 20 2022 19:23 utc | 318 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 20 2022 19:30 utc | 319
Well, it was ALWAYS okay when the underage half of the couple was female. They were, after all, chattel, and breedable at the age of twelve or so. Posted by: malenkov | May 20 2022 19:34 utc | 320 This does end up being about Ukraine! Posted by: D J G | May 20 2022 19:37 utc | 321 my grandfather was about the same age–the point is definitions of childhood have changed. Posted by: pretzelattack | May 20 2022 19:41 utc | 322 Posted by: D J G | May 20 2022 19:37 utc | 321 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 20 2022 19:44 utc | 323 Intel Slava Z, [20/05/2022 19:46] Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 20 2022 19:53 utc | 324 Of purely typographical interest: Note how italicizing little flag-circles results in slanty flag circles. Pretty cool, in my book. (Don’t mind me. I used to be a typesetter. I can still read backwards and upside-down.) Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 20 2022 19:56 utc | 325 karlof1@302. YES! please. & again, thank you for your dedication & invaluable contributions. xo Posted by: emersonreturn | May 20 2022 20:19 utc | 326 🇷🇺🇺🇦 The first interrogation of “Volyn” commander of so called 36th Marine Brigade Posted by: Barofsky | May 20 2022 20:38 utc | 327 Posted by: karlof1 | May 20 2022 16:31 utc | 302 Posted by: Arganthonios | May 20 2022 21:17 utc | 328 As requested. Hopefully, the software will allow the long posting.
In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | May 21 2022 1:53 utc | 330 Dear Norwegian @206; Posted by: bobzibub | May 21 2022 6:05 utc | 331 Flying Dutchman @207 Posted by: bobzibub | May 21 2022 6:39 utc | 332 On Gonzalo Lira utoob channel. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 21 2022 7:37 utc | 333 Aleph_Null #326
I liked that. In my youth I used to be at the forefront of computer photoypesetting installations :/ No hard feelings I hope. Technology is a devastating as well as a liberating force. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 21 2022 8:25 utc | 334 Posted by: Barofsky | May 20 2022 11:09 utc | 243 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 21 2022 8:27 utc | 335 Posted by: karlof1 | May 20 2022 21:54 utc | 329 Posted by: juliania | May 21 2022 13:33 utc | 336 @Arganthonios #298 Posted by: c1ue | May 21 2022 14:29 utc | 337 @oldhipper #300 Posted by: c1ue | May 21 2022 14:34 utc | 338
Posted by: malenkov | May 21 2022 15:06 utc | 339 Apologies for messing up my HTML tags in that last comment! Posted by: malenkov | May 21 2022 15:06 utc | 340 @malenkov #339 Posted by: c1ue | May 21 2022 16:12 utc | 341 uncle tungsten | May 21 2022 7:37 utc | 333 Posted by: Doug Hillman | May 21 2022 18:54 utc | 342 Doug Hillman #342 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 21 2022 22:30 utc | 343 @ uncle tungsten | May 21 2022 8:25 utc | 334, 333
I continue to maintain this has been a most enlightening thread, and that Scott Ritter is looking fine to careful readers of MoA. Gonzo — not so much. Lira’s personal style has always rubbed me the wrong way — I’ll allow myself to observe he exudes repellant pimpishness in his attitude toward women. I try to keep an open mind, but I can’t imagine Gonzo could have anything interesting to say, at this point. He just recklessly crashed his own jalopy, trying to wreck Ritter’s. Too bad, Gonzo. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 21 2022 23:05 utc | 344 Aleph_Null #344 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 21 2022 23:43 utc | 345 @uncle tungsten #343 Posted by: c1ue | May 22 2022 14:06 utc | 346 Re: Lira Posted by: c1ue | May 22 2022 14:12 utc | 347 |
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