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May 15, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-66
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@ Et Tu | May 16 2022 6:56 utc | 330
Thanks for the link to Mike Whitney’s analysis of Ritter’s flip (out at unz). The comments under that one are also helpful for my understanding.
Ukraine continues to face insoluble problems which Ritter has — with Martyanov — noticed in previous communications. All the sudden so many issues evaporate in Ritter’s view? I don’t get it, myself.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 16 2022 14:00 utc | 401
Details of the Snake Island attack and how it was annihilated:
https://politikus.info/events/143868-bitva-za-zmeinyy-hronika-sobytiy-8-maya.html
It is interesting to compare with the wiki article and how its edition evolved in those last days:
removed:
– death of some 50 Ukrainians;
– shot down of two Ukrainian Su-24;
And relying almost exclusively on Ukronazi sources.
The way the Russians destroyed the attack is not reported.
Western propaganda:
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/05/13/mariupol-liberated-western-media-silence-amid-their-big-lie-exposure/
On Ukrainian casualties:
https://politikus.info/events/143884-poteri-ukrainskoy-storony-sostavili-200-tys-chelovek-predvaritelnye-raschety.html
At this rhythm, it is not necessary to be in a hurry.
Posted by: Olivier | May 16 2022 14:00 utc | 402
It would be very strange if Hungary accepts that outcome. Poland gets its land back but Hungary not? Instead Hungarians get sent to die for Slava Cocaini?
Romania wouldn’t do anything, it’s a paralyzed puppet state and can barely survive, no need for more land and more people.
Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 11:17 utc | 374
Modify the solution to take into account Hungary, then. Zelensky certainly seems to consider Hungary a greater threat than Poland. Hungary started handing out Hungarian passports to ethnic Hungarians in Ukraine some years back. Hungary even sent one of these Ukrainians as the Hungary’s representative to PACE some years back, causing quite a stir.
Don’t discount Romania so easily – even though my impression is that Romania is more interested in Moldavia than Ukraine.
Yes,I think he is right, NATO will likely create a wider war with its actions. I just think Russia will wage most of the war defensively and won’t grind away its army pushing into Finland or Western Ukraine.
The cognivitive dissonance comes in by thinking Russia has to take more land than they do.
Posted by: Haassaan | May 16 2022 11:41 utc | 377
I am concerned that NATO will not care one way or another.
They want Russia to draw back behind the contact line of 24th of February. For 8 years Ukraine told us they are fighting Russia in he Russian occupied Donbass. And NATO politicians parroted that. Yet they also told us Russia invaded on February 24th 2022, totally unprovoked. Now back again to Russian occupied Donbass and the contact line.
How is that for cognitive dissonance? It’s giving me whiplash, just watching them from the sidelines.
Posted by: Martina | May 16 2022 14:01 utc | 403
Posted by: Sushi | May 16 2022 0:15 utc | 246 plus your 106, 116, 187…
I don’t always have time to read everything, but I usually read you. Your comments are informed and insightful and you raise the bar here on quality. Of course there are others here who meet your standard, but not as consistently. I’ve mentioned a few in the past. Every time I read you, I know I’m going to learn something. Thank you for sharing your skill and knowledge.
With so much herd mentality and propaganda out there, we really need to push the envelope for the truth, justice and Russia, to the highest level.
Posted by: Circe | May 16 2022 14:02 utc | 404
they can fight better and kill more Russians. Great plan!
Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 13:55 utc | 398
No way, they are still stuck in their tunnels and as soon as they are coming outside, boom or targets for the snipers.
In this way, how can they kill more Russians?
Posted by: Olivier | May 16 2022 14:05 utc | 405
Secretary of State Antony Blinken spent the weekend discussing the war in Ukraine with NATO allies, as well as Ukraine’s deputy prime minister. As a descendent of the Hillary school of US non-diplomacy nothing was accomplished and he had nothing important to say about it here
Posted by: Don Bacon | May 16 2022 14:08 utc | 406
It would be very strange if Hungary accepts that outcome. Poland gets its land back but Hungary not? Instead Hungarians get sent to die for Slava Cocaini?
Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 11:17 utc | 374
Unlike Poland, Hungary hasn’t been a terribly enthusiastic supporter of the NATO/EU/US agenda, and thus may not be found worthy of 404 spoils. Perhaps if Hungary started supporting the Swedish and Finnish NATO applications?
Posted by: malenkov | May 16 2022 14:09 utc | 407
@Olivier – they come out and shoot at anything they see. They still have snipers. They like to wound someone to attract others, then they try to shoot to kill. Sure, they’re constantly shot at too, and bombed, but it’s not safe for troops to be around Azovstal.
Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 14:14 utc | 408
@Richard Steven Hack #200
1) We already know Lavrov is not given access to even top level operational details of the SMO – including its start, so that isn’t promising w/ regards to his knowledge of the facts.
2) What exactly constitutes “Russian troops” in Lavrov’s view? As you note – videos come from LDPR and Chechens because the regular Russian army prohibits personal cell phones and has clamped down on all external individual comms. LDPR are clearly not “Russian” troops, but what about the Russian National Guard like the Chechens? And also there’s the Crimea question: are troops protecting/in Crimea “Russian troops” and considered in the operation? Are troops defending the Russian border with Ukraine considered in the operation?
Again, my estimates are based on the actual force compositions of what the SMO is focusing on right now. The Donbas cauldrons require troops to both attack at targeted points and to defend all along the border in order to prevent breakouts or disrupting attacks. I cannot see this as happening with less than 120K troops. And if 120K troops are involved (facing 60K to 80K Ukrainian troops), a total number of troops in the 150K or even 180K range seems awfully small to be facing off around Kharkov, holding Kherson, threatening Nikolaev, shooting missiles all around Ukraine, protecting Crimea, consolidating Mariupol etc etc.
But that’s my analysis.
Posted by: c1ue | May 16 2022 14:22 utc | 409
Why all UK/US NGOs are worthless, piece of evidence no. 7898987123
‘Greenpeace protesters have blocked the entry of a Greek tanker into a southern English port due to its Russian fuel cargo with police making arrests, the green group said on Monday, drawing condemnation from the British government’ (From the Guardian).
Why China, so to speak, ‘stands behind’ Russia.
‘China on Monday gave a vague response to Finland’s accession into Nato, saying the move would inject a “new factor” into Chinese-Finnish relations.
Zhao Lijian, said at a regular press briefing:
China has noticed Finland’s proposal to join the Nato. Sino-Finnish relationship has always been friendly. Finland’s application to join the Nato will of course add new factor in the bilateral relations.’
This is existential for China. If Russia falls, China falls. Nato cannot be allowed to win in terms of its invasion/attack on Russia (taking into account that Russia occupied Ukrainian territory is now, de facto, Russian, and that attempts by Nato/Ukraine to ‘reclaim’ it are, now, de facto attacks on Russian territory).
Why the EU is worthless, why Brexit was a good idea, and why the EU must be annihilated.
‘The European Union and the United States have agreed closer cooperation to counter disrupted supply of commodities and food caused by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and to combat disinformation from Moscow.’.
All from the Guardian.
The US/UkroNazi regime is also pushing for admittance to the EU, which, considering the Ukraine is openly a Nazi dictatorship, will simply destroy the EU from within, so let’s hope it happens.
Posted by: Hidari | May 16 2022 14:24 utc | 410
@Richard Steven Hack #206
From my view: the Finnish border is close to St. Petersburg, but it is not the least bit relevant.
Did you know that Estonia is actually closer to St. Petersburg in absolute distance? And about the same driving time?
As such, what does it really matter whether Finland is in NATO, when Estonia already is?
Posted by: c1ue | May 16 2022 14:27 utc | 411
MK Bhadrakumar is on a roll today, a great series of posts on his Twitter account, including a link to this:
Interview with Ambassador of the Russian Federation to India Denis Alipov
https://forceindia.net/interview/ambassador-russian-federation-india-denis-alipov/
“[SMO] It was precisely provoked by a deliberate decades-long NATO expansion eastwards moving the military potential of the bloc closer to the Russian borders in violation of its own commitments. It was accompanied by the US unilateral withdrawal from basic strategic regimes (AMD, INF and Open Skies treaties, to name a few) as well as the Western intended attempts to play the Ukrainian card against Russia by supporting the anti-constitutional coup in Kiev in February 2014 bringing to power the extreme anti-Russian nationalists and Neo-Nazis, who ultimately were preparing to solve the issue of Donbass—the region that since then have been resisting the policy of Kiev—by force.”
Posted by: Bruised Northerner | May 16 2022 14:29 utc | 412
@Richard Steven Hack #263
You need to pay closer attention.
To repeat:
1) Scott Ritter originally believed that the Russian military would interdict/destroy major weapons systems given by the West before they got to the actual combat fronts.
2) He saw a video of an M777 operating around Kharkov and changed his mind – i.e. if Ukraine can, in fact, transport large weapon systems and their ammo to the front in Kharkov, then Western support can make an impact. Under this scenario, Ukraine raising 1 million conscripts who are then equipped by the West would be a huge problem.
Of course, I pointed out that
a) This is a video by Ukraine. The M777 is super light weight, can be transported by civilian 18 wheeler trucks and Ukraine is known for such “Twitter Warrior” feats
b) The video is of one single M777. Even if there are a dozen, the entire shipment of 90 M777’s is about 1 week’s worth of Russian destruction of Ukrainian artillery
c) Transporting real combat equipment: jet fighters and bombers, tanks and armored fighting vehicles is a very different story.
So my view is that Ritter is very possibly being hasty in his reassessment of the situation.
Posted by: c1ue | May 16 2022 14:36 utc | 413
@Hidari #409 – China surely read Lizzy Truzzy’s statement 2-3 days ago. She said nato can’t remain like this, it has to expand globally. So China knows that nato comes to them anyway.
But we’ll have to wait and see. China does nothing but complain while gladly working almost for free for US, and importing $100bn yearly from Australia, the country which stated two months ago that it wants to be part of the international force to attack China if they go in Taiwan.
Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 14:36 utc | 414
@Scorpion #389
Not really strange if you think about it.
If I’m a US military guy and I’m sending relatively new gear to Ukraine (which the M777 is but all of the previous gear was not), I wouldn’t want to have anything on that gear which could compromise my own overall combat capabilities. The possibility of one or more of these M777s being captured – in whole or part – is real and we already know the Russian military actively jams all sorts of electronic signals including GPS.
Posted by: c1ue | May 16 2022 14:42 utc | 415
Re: Posted by: Hidari | May 16 2022 12:28 utc | 387
I doubt the Yanks want a war with Russia yet. The Russians are too strong…for now. But the Americans want to ‘grind the Russians down’ for a decade or so, hoping to starve and immiserate the Russians. When they are weak and destroyed (or at least, immiserated) the Americans can go on with attacking, invading and then destroying China.
You can’t be serious.
The US is blundering about without much of a plan at all.
The US Empire is disintegrating and Russia is sitting their laughing and ready to finish the US Empire off whenever it feels like it.
The multipolar world is here and the US in desperation is lashing out around the world.
The US haven’t won a war for 75 years! They are well past their sell-by date and heading for the scrapheap of history.
Russia most certainly has nothing to fear from the declining US Empire – don’t make me laugh mate!
Posted by: Julian | May 16 2022 14:46 utc | 416
Richard Steven Hack posts a lot here, often has interesting, insightful and intelligent things to say.
In 1993 his life took a turn that’s described in some detail in the March 20, 1993 San Francisco Examiner, Page A7. Here’s his explanation for this mistake:
Misanthropic Rage
To the Fifth Estate:
I have been a subscriber in the past and, income permitting, may be so in the near future. I am presently incarcerated in the Federal Correctional Institution at Florence, Colorado for the crime of armed bank robbery.
Fed up with an inability to earn a decent living and motivated by anarchist philosophy and misanthropic rage at consensus reality, I attempted to launch my own personal revolution, robbed two banks, got caught on the second one, and sentenced in December 1993 to nine years. I should get out in the year 2002, maybe 2001, depending on good time.
The Bureau of Prisons and I are not getting along. I came in with the intent of being a “model prisoner,” just to ease my time, so I could concentrate on reorganizing my life when I get out. I owe $3,367 in restitution and have no outside resources, so they gave me a job as a janitor in Unicor, Federal Prison Industries.
Then, over a minor rules infraction, they took the job away. So, I told them that if they weren’t interested in getting their restitution and in helping me rehabilitate by giving me an income, I had no reason to cooperate with them. I asked to be put in “The Hole,” and intend to remain here for the next eight years.
I need to develop some contacts on the outside. I had a few when I was out, but lost all the addresses when arrested. I got your address from a publisher’s directory at the library here before coming to the Hole.
The reason I’m writing is that I understand there are a few anarchist prisoner support groups around and also some zines that are free to prisoners. Please send them to the address below.
Richard S. Hack 87690-011
FCI PO Box 6000
Florence CO 81226
Lessons learned? Dropping out of high school doesn’t do much for your long-term earnings prospects. Robbing banks makes you unemployable. I wonder what he would counsel Atifa members?
But he certainly is one of the more thoughtful and interesting people posting here.
Posted by: ce | May 16 2022 14:57 utc | 417
@ ce | May 16 2022 14:57 utc | 416
richard did share that with us at moa at one point.. some very interesting people have spent time in jail.. nelson mandela, albert woodfox, jay jarvis masters – all these individuals have written books that i have read… then there is david milgaard – a canuck who spent 23 years in prison for a crime he didn’t commit… he died the past few days.. he too led an honourable life, in spite of what life threw at him.. i think that might define all of these individuals including our richard..
A life ‘defined by something he didn’t do’: David Milgaard, wrongfully convicted of murder, dies at 69
Posted by: james | May 16 2022 15:11 utc | 418
Posted by: Hidari | May 16 2022 7:52 utc | 335
“Another thing that occurs to me is that some people who really ought to know better have described this as an existential battle for both Russia and the United States. This is self evidently ludicrous.”
Not as ludicrous as you make it. First of all, identifying two sides in this conflict as Putin vs. Biden (i.e. their fates in case of a loss) is in itself ludicrous. You have to look at the bigger picture. What the US and its vassals are fighting for is the preservation of the system of geopolitical dominance which sustains their parasitic existence. Russia and China have said that they want to end that system. So, the comfortable existence of the West is threatened by this conflict, and make no mistake, the West is fully aware of this. Hence the hysteria and wanton sacrifice of Ukraine in order to preserve as much as possible.
Posted by: Pagan | May 16 2022 15:16 utc | 419
“So, the comfortable existence of the West is threatened by this conflict, and make no mistake, the West is fully aware of this. Hence the hysteria and wanton sacrifice of Ukraine in order to preserve as much as possible.
Posted by: Pagan | May 16 2022 15:16 utc | 419
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Remember, in LOTR, the Balrog was vanquished and beaten by Gandalf, but on it’s way to the Fires, it lashed out and took Gandalf with it!
My greatest fear!
Posted by: Qtto | May 16 2022 15:32 utc | 420
Doug Hillman @327–
Thanks for your excellent reply! More developments occurred today that validate reality which I’ll post to the newest thread.
Lex | May 16 2022 11:43 utc | 379 “I’d argue that the Russian “infowar” is directed at the rest of the world and more importantly the residents of liberated territories.”
I would term it ‘anglo infowar vs Russian reality’.
“western” thinking that supports Russia but only wants to see the results of war.” I very much agree with that. Russia uses its military power vary carefully and sparingly. More as an enabler of different conditions rather than to crush what we consider the bad guys. A lot of raw power in the hands of a surgeon is the best I can term it.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 15:54 utc | 422
cirsium @395–
Thanks for providing that portion of Putin’s speech in your reply! Too many either never read his words or have already forgotten them. Few know that the current struggle is over future lifestyles and the political-economies that will deliver them: Putin and Xi’s Pro-Humanist vision versus the WEF and Outlaw US Empire’s Neoliberal Anti-Human slavery.
Details of the Snake Island attack and how it was annihilated:
Posted by: Olivier | May 16 2022 14:00 utc | 401
Here a translation an MSM newspaper article on the issue. Note that the sunken ship – usually absent in pro-Russian articles – is here an important piece of evidence. Note how hard it is to reconcile the Russian and the msm versions.
But the situation on Snake Island changed on April 27. A Ukrainian TB-2 drone destroyed the Russian mobile anti-aircraft defense system. Since then, the Russian troops stationed there have come under attack and have been cut off from the outside world. On May 2, two Russian Raptors attempted to reach the island again for the first time. The fast patrol boats were blown out of the water by a drone.
On May 7, a Serna landing craft docked in the harbor of Snake Island. Just as the Russians were about to land a new anti-aircraft defense system, a drone struck. From the air you can see how the vessel is now blocking the harbor entrance. On Thursday, cranes on pontoons were towed to the site to lift it. Meanwhile, at least two more Raptors have been scuttled and a Russian helicopter carrying additional troops crashed onto the island after an attack.
Meanwhile, all military infrastructure has been bombed to the ground. Russia has been trying to re-strengthen its hold on the island for two weeks. But attempts to reach the island with Raptors or landing ships are always thwarted. On Friday, images surfaced of patrol boats turning around when they saw missiles approaching them.
Once again, experts are stunned by the weakness of the Russian army. The anti-aircraft guns, such as the SA-15 Tor and Pantsir that were on the island, do not appear to be that difficult to take out from the air. The navy suffers heavy losses around Snake Island because the warships are barely able to defend themselves against air raids.
https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20220513_96380438
Posted by: Wim | May 16 2022 16:51 utc | 424
@wim 424
couple of days later a big white Z (don’t know how) was visible from space/drone ….
just saying
Posted by: Kartoschka | May 16 2022 16:59 utc | 425
I also find the same accusations of concern trolling unwarranted. Nothing is gained by tossing them around, IMHO.
Posted by: Bloke from block 8 | May 15 2022 16:23 utc | 79
Complaining about concern trolling is just complaining about an opinion which you don’t like and which makes you feel concerned.
Posted by: c1ue | May 16 2022 14:36 utc | 413
I think you’re right on this, but something more is animating Ritter’s volte face here. Russia is in danger of losing the initiative so long as it plays by ‘the rules’,i.e. seeks to avoid civilian casualties, holds out for a negotiated political settlement with Zelensky, doesn’t hit decision-making nodes or vigorously knocks out all comms, railway, electricity in the west. Pulling punches was ok so long as you expected Ukraine might yield, but they’re not yielding. And $53B is a mighty large enticement to stay in the game (you could even promise 1 million fighters a signing bonus of $10K each and not break a sweat with that kind of bankroll). This is lend-lease and Western Ukraine is ‘east of the Urals’ off-limits, space to rebuild, re-train, regroup.
One howitzer does not a summer make, agreed, but Russia has to shift gears now and take the gloves off (or some other mixed metaphor). Shit’s got to get real for the West. But maybe Putin wants rapprochement? I admit sometimes I can’t make sense of Russian larger strategy…
Posted by: Patroklos | May 16 2022 18:29 utc | 427
@Boomheist – they also left the weapons for future terrorist attacks and regime changes like the one prevented in Kazahstan. They didn’t even destroy them before leaving, an $80bn gift. They are doing the same thing in Ukraine with all those manpads sent there. North Atlantic Terrorist Organization. ”
Posted by: rk | May 15 2022 17:06 utc | 99
I don’t believe they were left. They have ended up where secretly intended. Where? Taiwan? Ukraine? Georgia?
@nook – Finland is buying F35 which is a nuclear missile or bomb carrier.
Posted by: rk | May 15 2022 17:20 utc | 103
Finland might launch those planes armed one time but might not find it so easy to land them afterwards or keep fueling them.
In any case, Finland is not a total Marco-mafia state like Ukraine.
Posted by: Scorpion | May 16 2022 18:42 utc | 429
I wonder why “ce” has chosen now to inform us now about Richard Steven Hack’s history as a bank robber 30 years ago. I suspect the authorities tried and failed to use his history to get him to post things that they wanted, and that “ce”‘s posting is the response to his refusal to comply.
If my suspicions are correct, that speaks very much in his favor.
Posted by: Lysias | May 16 2022 19:19 utc | 430
Gonzalo Lira says the US is about to pivot to China
I dunno, Gonzalo says Russia is working on making the Ukraine situation “boring”. Makes sense to me. That’s the reason Russia is going slowly — the warning that Ritter is concerned about. It is like Gonzalo is looking at the political picture and Scott is looking at the military picture. Within their “pool” they are probably both “right”, the question to be addressed is how do those two different “pools” merge?
Then there is the question of the 11 Carrier battle groups the US Navy has deployed. Pardon my naiveté but if the Russian hypersonic missiles are unstoppable and 4 of them were used to target each US Carrier and launched so that they all reached their target within 30 minutes of each other…
I don’t see how the world is going to avoid WWIII. Call me “nervous nellie” if you like.
Posted by: Fiji Refugee | May 16 2022 19:25 utc | 431
The Russians (I guess) will take the parts of the Ukraine which are shown on this map in deepest red. The less red they are, the less likely the Russians will take them. It’s that simple.”
Posted by: Hidari | May 16 2022 9:43 utc | 355
You are cookin’ today Hidari!
Part of the purpose of the SMO is to knock the Hegemon off its mono maniacal pedestal. I think the line therefore will be about 50 mi West of Kiev down to a ways above Odessa, those two cities bring beloved cultural prizes of historical significance. They will be the Gondor and Osgiliath guarding entry into Eurasian Russia designed to stand as such for the upcoming new epoch.
Posted by: ce | May 16 2022 14:57 utc | 417
I find your “comments” disgusting.
It was not you to inform us about Richard’s past.
It has nothing to do here and it has zero meaning and zero importance.
You are a balance. A rat.
Posted by: Olivier | May 16 2022 20:28 utc | 433
Posted by: Wim | May 16 2022 16:51 utc | 424
Note that the sunken ship – usually absent in pro-Russian articles – is here an important piece of evidence.
It is present in the article of the link I gave. Three ships destroyed. From another source: one in harbour, two on the sea, hence the 50+ Ukrainian casualties.
But the situation on Snake Island changed on April 27. A Ukrainian TB-2 drone destroyed the Russian mobile anti-aircraft defense system.
LOL
Once again, experts are stunned by the weakness of the Russian army.
Sure, even a French general said today that Ukraine is winning in Donbass. We know who is lying. Don’t you?
Note how hard it is to reconcile the Russian and the msm versions.
Of course! One version is an outright lie. But which one? Maybe your source will be able to tell us about colonel Igor Bedzai and will be able publish his report on the weakness of the Russain army?
Posted by: Olivier | May 16 2022 20:46 utc | 434
Lysias | May 16 2022 19:19 utc | 430
RSH at one point was a bank robber. Simple fact of life. Takes nothing away from his contribution here.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 20:53 utc | 435
@417 ce:
May I ask what possible utility your “outing” of RSH offers this forum?
I hope that disclosure wasn’t motivated by a desire to reduce our esteem for RSH (e.g. shoot the messenger).
His value to us fluctuates based on the quality of his contributions. (the “message”).
As for you…. well, let me say politely that your “outing” of RSH was not particularly valuable to me.
And RSH apparently, from James’ remark above, disclosed his history to the forum long before you brought it up.
RSH, as many others have said – you don’t always get it right, but you do provide a lot of data, and you provoke a lot of thought. Keep it goin’, man.
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | May 16 2022 21:02 utc | 436
Lysias
I reread my previous post and realized it could be taken as a mistaken shot at you – friendly fire so to speak. That was not the intention.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 21:05 utc | 437
May I ask what possible utility your “outing” of RSH offers this forum?
Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | May 16 2022 21:02 utc | 436
I was describing the discussion in here about the definition of “concern troll” to my buddy, who asked for an example… Now I have a perfect example! Textbook exquisite politeness and all.
Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 16 2022 21:13 utc | 438
re: Aleph_Null | May 16 2022 21:13 utc | 438
exactly.
RSH has mentioned this stuff himself and I suspect he probably enjoys it being referred to – gives him cred and notoriety and who knows might aid in his quest to have as much sex as possible (something I read in a RSH post somewhere on the internet) which I assumed, probably erroneously, would be samegender – given his prison time and current residence in a San Fran boardinghouse.
Posted by: tucenz | May 16 2022 22:22 utc | 439
It is creepy to see so many people cheering for Russia or pretending Poland… Poland! being “nazis”. Poland knows more about both Russian and nazi evil than anyone, period. For Russia, led by a lifong corrupt aparatchik thug, to pretend that they only invaded to save themselves is laughable. The corruption on both sides, along with obvious incompetent leadership, is what makes his farce so laughable yet so tragic.
Posted by: hunterson7 | May 17 2022 10:18 utc | 440
Bernard,
I regret my posting about the history of Richard Steven Hack. I had an uncomfortable feeling when I posted it, and something that happened 30 years ago just isn’t relevant.
Could you delete my postings on this subject? You can see from my IP address that it was from me.
Posted by: ce | May 17 2022 19:20 utc | 441