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May 15, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-66

Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …

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speaking of crazy talk… fortunately we have a few very intelligent norwegians here at moa… this guy gives norwegians a bad name.. complete ignoramus and doofus…
““Russia’s war in Ukraine is not going as Moscow had planned. They failed to take Kiev. They are pulling back from around Kharkiv, their major offensive in the Donbass has stalled. Russia is not achieving its strategic objectives,” Stoltenberg said.”

Posted by: james | May 16 2022 4:20 utc | 301

The military aspect of what is occurring now in Ukraine is I think a minor part of Russia strategy. The major part – the denazification of Ukraine – is an understanding of human nature.
Ukraine will undertake denazification itself. Russia’s objective is to create the situation – the circumstances under which this will occur. Putin’s Russia has never relied purely military means to solve any geopolitical issue. It – military means – has been used solely to set up circumstances where change can occur. It is used also with a deep understanding of those Russia is dealing with. A case in point, different to Chechnya, Syria and current Ukraine – Georgia… wants nothing to do with current Ukraine and war on Russia. Different stokes for different folks was the title of some US tv show that was here some years ago.
Russia has a great understanding of different strokes or different folks.
I suspect Putin’s Russia is far better at psyops on a targeted nation/people than the anglo Goering Orwellian world of the mind bending US west. Like and alarm clock waking people up.
US/anglo pysops designed to remove people from reality – remove reality from people, Russian psyops designed to return people to reality.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 4:27 utc | 302

i like how you put that in your last sentence peter… thanks..

Posted by: james | May 16 2022 4:32 utc | 303

. . .from The Kyiv Independent
>U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken said that work is underway to resume operations in Kyiv very soon.
>Russia’s war destroyed 23% of Ukraine’s railway network. The cost of damage already reached $90 billion, and the figure is growing every day, Infrastructure Minister Oleksandr Kubrakov said on May 14.
>Negotiations underway to evacuate 60 people from Azovstal. According to Deputy PM Iryna Vereshchuk, Russia doesn’t agree to a full evacuation, so the sides are talking about evacuating 60 seriously injured people and doctors from the plant in besieged Mariupol.
>There are over 1,000 Ukrainian soldiers left at the Azovstal steel plant, hundreds of them wounded.
> Kremlin’s proxies in Ukraine’s Russian-occupied Kherson Oblast announced they are seeking outright annexation of Kherson by Russia, instead of their “original invasion plan” to hold a referendum to pronounce the Ukrainian region a breakaway “republic.”
>Police are investigating the case after multiple swastikas were spray-painted on the Ukrainian National Federation of Canada’s Edmonton building at around 3 a.m. on May 13. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 16 2022 4:42 utc | 304

Don’t get too excited over Ritter.
He’s an Intel Dweeb. O-3 to O-4. Major Tops.
He’s an MI6 Collaborator. His Sources may be playing him – especially since he’s one of the few Military Veterans semi-popular in the Independent Media/OpEd Scene.
According to Wikipedia, he’s also a
Convicted/Incarcerated Paedophile.
He did his Time; but he’s probably compromised -at least by MI6. I would not trust MI6 Collaborators for this Conflict – they’re too Biased and Delusional.
Ritter’s Disqualified in My “Book” of Standards.

Posted by: IronForge | May 16 2022 4:43 utc | 305

The process might be called ‘delexification’. ‘Progressive’ turns into ‘moderate slaughter’, etc. We cannot actually discuss political events anymore since ‘political scientists’ have delexified all of the terminology. We can’t say anything anymore. ‘Liberal’ means pro-Nazi, etc.
It’s all just academic edubabble. So we shut up, own nothing, and be ‘happy’.

Posted by: blues | May 16 2022 4:45 utc | 306

More fun news from Nazivision 2022:
Yesterday Romanian jury said they voted for Moldova and their votes changed to Ukraine.
Today Georgia and Azerbaijan have declared their votes were changed and given to UK which ended on 2nd place. A large number of countries were excluded from the jury altogether, just before competition started.
So it’s clear Nazivision was actually controlled by UK and they gave all votes to themselves and Ukraine :))) Classic Bojo

Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 5:00 utc | 307

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 21:36 utc | 195
In which case I’d appreciate it if you could provide some examples using the little hyperlinks embedded in each comment at # field.
Clearly no rush and you can always tell me to go f*ck myself and frankly I’d understand given the amount of time it takes, but I would like a better understanding of why a commenter I’m reading in this thread has repeatedly been called a concern troll for what they’ve said in this thread and none of their posts strike me as such – hence, I’m wondering if you’re misinterpreting the same way.
Also, really do any of us have any power to alter or affect what’s happening in Ukraine or Russia? Concern trolling in my experience tends to be most insidious when it’s attempting to sow discord or doubt among a group that is undertaking an important project (or election, yuk yuk) with real life consequences and results. If someone’s putting easy to debunk shit down here, it’s just another opportunity for some of us to teach and some of us to be taught about how to strike it down with facts and logic, even if either or both of those can be debated in each respective case.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 16 2022 5:02 utc | 308

@ tom… it is my impression as well, but i haven’t wasted much of any ink on this… i just tend to ignore as it takes up less energy… cheers..

Posted by: james | May 16 2022 5:06 utc | 309

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 21:44 utc | 197
That’s a major under-reading of what has been said there. Click on some of the previous entries at his Substack. To answer your question that I don’t really feel obligated to answer, I find it on Twitter and then look for the Substack of the person in question.
Again though, I did say he’s writing in a convoluted manner on the issue and he’s trying not to go too far down any path that would make him easy to pin down. That – in fact – is what annoyed me enough about that particular piece to proffer it to MoA. Figured people’d get that, but I guess not.
Anyway, and I ask you in fully good faith, what’s really at stake here for you RSH? You seem like you’re trying to police a community of commenters that’s perfectly capable of spotting and ignoring or responding to legitimate but not quite aligned narratives.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 16 2022 5:08 utc | 310

To Richard Steven Hack: I always look forward to reading your insights and facts. Thank you for taking care of that M = et tu. They are a few others on here whose purpose is not discuss but to confuse.
They are much better off on the hundreds of Western sites which cater for them.
It is obvious that Russia is winning and it is obvious why everybody is going to talk with Russia. They are losing.

Posted by: Karl luck | May 16 2022 5:13 utc | 311

Reuters is reporting that Ukraine is on the offensive against Russia.
It will be interesting to see in 24 hours if Ukraine has made good on the Reuters claim.
Thanks to DonBacon # 303 with the update and report on negotiations around Azovstal captives.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 16 2022 5:13 utc | 312

Posted by: c1ue | May 15 2022 18:13 utc | 119
Good points, all. Even though you’re kind of an unrelenting dick to some posters, I generally buy your logic on things unrelated to the energy industry.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 16 2022 5:17 utc | 313

Posted by: james | May 16 2022 4:32 utc | 302
I guess that last sentence sums up my various disjointed and typo’s of my thoughts in this thread.
Overall, the clowns we see in the US/UK are up against someone who is very capable of rewriting the art of war though most likely a new book on war is required. And Putin is too busy to write it.
I have found your reservations on a number of times to be like a weather vane. My youngest daughter has similar character. Something I have learned to respect.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 5:17 utc | 314

History as tragedy and then as farce, and for sure farce is our lot no matter where we look at. From Shostakovich symphony Nº 7 to Eurovision -Euroblindness would be more appropriate- screaming contest and the pre selected winners saluting Europe and two hundred million zombies with a raised arm. These are the sad times we where allotted with, a fake decaying Hollywood set were nothing humane can take place.

Posted by: Paco | May 16 2022 5:18 utc | 315

@ 313 peter… thanks.. i am on much the same page as you here… cheers..

Posted by: james | May 16 2022 5:25 utc | 316

If you knew you were going up against NATO and the combined arms that could be supplied into the war, would you fight that war in an uncontrolled environment or would you let these weapons be brought into a location were they would be used by an under trained force and you had the ability to control their usefulness and destroy them at your leisure? What happens when the arms supply from the west runs out? We have already read so many articles from western publications regarding the time delay to replenish the supply of arms and with so many NATO countries reducing the inventories of weapons and ammunition how will they defend themselves if this war expands into central Europe? Some countries have already stopped the supply as they have already exhausted their inventory. I think the Russians have this scenario planned out well. By not mobilizing more forces into Ukraine they lead the NATO countries into believing that Ukraine can win and thus they continue to deplete their own resources and leave themselves lacking in available resources in the event of a larger conflict.

Posted by: Undercutter | May 16 2022 5:30 utc | 317

@ Undercutter | May 16 2022 5:30 utc | 316 who wrote

I think the Russians have this scenario planned out well. By not mobilizing more forces into Ukraine they lead the NATO countries into believing that Ukraine can win and thus they continue to deplete their own resources and leave themselves lacking in available resources in the event of a larger conflict.

I see it the same and Russia has already made clear that Poland is next so where are the NATO resources to protect Poland when Ukraine is toast? Is it nukes then? Curious minds want to “know”.

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 16 2022 5:40 utc | 318

The sanctions appear to have more impact on the EU than on Russia. Divisions within the Union are on the rise. The unraveling of the world system has started.
Those are the issues raised in “The West’s Nightmare: Losing Empire”, see https://geopolitiekincontext.wordpress.com/2022/05/16/de-nachtmerrie-van-het-westen-verlies-van-het-imperium/
Hit the Google translate box in the right upper corner.

Posted by: Paul-Robert | May 16 2022 5:49 utc | 319

99 RK could you supply a link to the telegram photo of BUK with serial number re MH 17 – It would be really great. I did look in telegram but could do with a link Thanxs.

Posted by: col from OZ | May 16 2022 5:51 utc | 320

About Nato high ranking commanders being captured from Azovstal by the Russian, please check out these links concerning four or more, with photos. Is that the reason for the initiation of the call to Shoigu by Austin?
1) https://twitter.com/Ukraine66251776
2) https://iamamalaysian.com/2022/05/16/us-gen-eric-olson-british-ltc-john-bailey-nato-officers-surrendered-at-azovstal-steel-plant/

Posted by: Recon404 | May 16 2022 5:54 utc | 321

I haven’t seen the Reuters article on the Ukrainian offensive. Where is it to take place? I suspect they are building force to push towards Kherson.
Ukrainian forces have been attempting a counter-offensive around Izium for a week or more originating from various places including Severodonetsk.
Russia isn’t the only ones building pontoon bridges across the Siverskyi Donets River leading me to be skeptical of some of the reports coming from that area.

Posted by: Haassaan | May 16 2022 5:55 utc | 322

@Roger | May 15 2022 22:37 utc | 219
That’s informative high level post with a lot of useful perspectives. Thanks.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 16 2022 6:07 utc | 323

Ten Ukrainian soldiers with white flags left the territory of the Azovstal enterprise, commander of the Vostok battalion of the NM DPR Alexander Khodakovsky reports.

Posted by: Undercutter | May 16 2022 6:14 utc | 324

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 16 2022 5:02 utc | 307
“In which case I’d appreciate it if you could provide some examples using the little hyperlinks embedded in each comment at # field.”
No, I’m not going to do that. It’s not my job description to prove anything to you. I’ve responded to that guy before in previous threads. That’s it. Go look them up yourself. Use the site’s search feature and read his posts.
“none of their posts strike me as such – hence, I’m wondering if you’re misinterpreting the same way.”
No, I’m not. If you can’t see the fact that he only comes here to “raise concerns” over this and that, then I can’t help you. Read his previous stuff. The problem is that he always brings up the same issues, no matter how many times they’ve been responded to. That is the proof of a concern troll – they always come back.
Frankly I’m beginning to wonder if Circe is another, but so far I’ve given her the benefit of the doubt. Some people really are concerned because they don’t understand the military situation. Et Tu seems to understand perfectly well, he just doesn’t agree with it.
“Also, really do any of us have any power to alter or affect what’s happening in Ukraine or Russia?”
How is that relevant? We’re talking about comments made on this site which in my view are intended to disrupt the flow of conversation by raising bogus issues.
“That’s a major under-reading of what has been said there. Click on some of the previous entries at his Substack.”
IIRC I read a piece of his once before. Same garbage. I don’t even know who he is (to quote Thanos).
“what’s really at stake here for you RSH?”
Correctness. Being factually correct.
“You seem like you’re trying to police a community of commenters that’s perfectly capable of spotting and ignoring or responding to legitimate but not quite aligned narratives.”
I’m not “policing” anyone. I’m an anarchist. Anyone can say anything they like, including crying fire in a crowded theater. That does not obligate to respect bad faith posts and incorrect information.
We’re done here.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 16 2022 5:08 utc | 309

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 6:25 utc | 325

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 6:25 utc | 324
“we’re done here”
Fine then I’ll take your Russian military daily summaries as they are and try to verify, which is admittedly hard to do accuarately. I still think you’re taking yourself way too seriously, even if I agree with you on much (and have for a while TBH including on other topics excluding trans-humanism) but think you’re being lazy on others. Whatever, you do you.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 16 2022 6:31 utc | 326

“…the war aims are now more far reaching than that–the dismantling of the Outlaw US Empire’s unipolar hegemonic position in the world and making it conform to the UN Charter and International Law.”
“[Lavrov:] We are aware that at the current turning point … the place of Russia and everyone else in the future architecture of the world order is determined.”
karlof1 | May 15 2022 20:57 utc | 183

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Take heart, Karl. Please don’t imagine your seeds aren’t taking root or won’t bear fruit and ripen in the proper season. Viticulture takes time and careful weeding, as Putin and Lavrov clearly understand. Grounded on bedrock principles, they safely ignore the churn of lies and fearful chatter swirling around them. I’ll wager there are hundreds, thousands here like me and millions, billions elsewhere, who are more often stunned into awed silence at what you, b, RSH and others contribute. It’s not indifference. I’m grateful for my education here.
I believe we are experiencing the arduous birth pangs of an entirely new paradigm, a global phase shift, from a system dominated by the basest evil of a vast organized crime syndicate founded on pervasive deceit and violence, to one based on truly humanist values encoded in law. This is bound to be a long excruciating rebirth, especially to Americans, but millions of us are yearning, aching for it, even if we don’t survive the passage.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | May 16 2022 6:33 utc | 327

William Gruff | May 15 2022 21:11 utc | 189
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Thanks for profound insight on consciousness … and what happens when propagandists snort their own product.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | May 16 2022 6:42 utc | 328

I don’t have link but it was on intelslava I think or maybe topwar. I didn’t install telegram, I watch everything on the web page version of the channels. The pages are in the form t(dot)me/s/(channelname)

Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 6:50 utc | 329

Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 6:25 utc | 324
The average human, male and female would like to be able to raise a family in times of peace and relative prosperity. Something current Rus has a great understanding of.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 6:52 utc | 330

In today’s news:
PCR joins the ‘concern troll’ ranks:
https://www.unz.com/proberts/the-kremlin-never-learns-2/
Mike Whitney comments on Ritter’s u-turn:
https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/scott-ritters-switcheroo-why-i-radically-changed-my-overall-assessment/

Posted by: Et Tu | May 16 2022 6:56 utc | 331

The article contains errors:
“The director of the Russian Central Bank left the central bank’s reserves on an unguarded shelf where the West could steal them. ”
The 300bn stolen were mostly from energy contracts. Money was supposed to be stored in Western banks. It wasn’t Central Bank’s error and it was publicly explained. But basically EU, after stealing the money, had free gas for a few years. That’s why the quick change to gas-for-rubles. And I hope soon everything- for-rubles. Remember that Biden lied at first about $600bn, but $300 were moved long time ago
“Russian government permitted George Soros and his organizations to operate in Russia” – In the past yes, but not in the recent years, they’re all banned. Hungary does it too
While I agree that Russia has very weak economic sanctions in short term, which is a mistake, they will be strong in 6-12 months when the ban on fertilizers exports, lack of food and high gas/oil prices will hit West.
BTW, Germany published an increase of 77.7% in costs of Russian imports. So they’re close to double for the same amount of stuff :)) Sanctions work, but backwards.

Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 7:10 utc | 332

PCR is more of a puffed up Anglo tough guy who thinks if one isn’t stomping around acing like a baddass others will take you as weak and act more aggressively. He is bought into the whole Western Media complex and seems to believe image has more importance than reality. His obsession with the culture War and identity politics weakens his already weak arguments. He seems a fool to me.

Posted by: Haassaan | May 16 2022 7:10 utc | 333

Seems that Russia wants the SMO to take a very long time.
Consider, current ratio of Russian losses vs. UKR losses seems to be very high, maybe as high as 1 vs 10? To have such a large margin is a luxury and why not to prolong it?
I think Russia is wanting the real weapons to be sent into UKR, not just the ancient relics. The more real weapons sent into UKR, the less damage they will do as UKR forces cannot be effective now. Any future NATO conflict loses usage of arms sent to UKR.
Russia can also manufacture replacement armaments much faster than the west as it has all the needed materials. The more weapons used in UKR, the more the long term balance shifts in Russia’s favor.
However, it must appear that UKR has a chance, at least to achieve a stalemate, before the more valuable weapons are sent in. Appear weak… and all that.
Economically, everyone knows time is on Russia’s side. Everyday more EUR is sold for RUB, the west slides closer and closer to the internal crisis. Notice the now daily mass shootings as western society implodes.
If SMO was completed immediate, would that not actually be a worse outcome for Russia? Oil prices would reduce, etc. Why does everybody want to speed this up, is there something better for Russia to do?
As it is less natural resources are sold for more currency, EUR is weakened while RUB stronger, even possible to dethrone USD as global reserve currency over the longer term. Everyday more and more territory is gained but more importantly UKR military is being reduced by half percent per day!
Seems that this is a long term process and not a singular event. Grinding down the entirety of the west military machine cannot be done in days, weeks, months or even years.

Posted by: ct | May 16 2022 7:40 utc | 334

Ritter seems to be under the impression that it is or was Russia’s plan to not only go west of the Dneiper, but make war on Finland to. As such he is suffering cognitive dissonance with what he is seeing on the battlefield.
I think Russia’s plan is going as far The Dneiper, possibly Odessa. I don’t know why he’d think Russia would attack Finland.
Get to the river and dig in, seems like a great plan, Russia’s military is built defensively. The Russian’s don’t have full control of the airspae6, thusly the standoff missile strikes on infrastructure.

Posted by: Haassaan | May 16 2022 7:49 utc | 335

Another thing that occurs to me is that some people who really ought to know better have described this as an existential battle for both Russia and the United States. This is self evidently ludicrous. We all remember the ‘kangaroo court’ that killed Saddam, and the way the West whooped, hollered and cheered as the legal leader of Libya was tortured raped and murdered.
If Putin loses, he dies. It really is that simple. Or at least, he runs a strong risk of death. If Biden loses…nothing happens. He even managed to survive, politically, losing in Afghanistan. He might take a short term political hit. But Americans are simple people with short memories. It will quickly be forgotten.
So it is absolutely existential for Putin and for the Russian government per se that they win this. It is absolutely imperative that they do so, and every Russian General and soldier knows this. The Ukrainians know that they don’t even face being conquered: all that happens when they lose is they lose some parts of the Ukraine that never liked them anyway, and that they don’t get to join Nato (which was never going to happen anyway). So it’s not existential for them. And, as stated earlier, it’s not existential for the US (if they lose this one, they will just move onto the the next plan to weaken the Russians and Chinese). But it’s existential for the Russians.
So the Russians simply cannot afford to lose this one, and they won’t. If it looks like they are losing, they will mobilise more men. If that doesn’t work, they will use nuclear weapons. But they are not going to lose, and the Ukraine’s chances of winning are zero, as they have been throughout this war.

Posted by: Hidari | May 16 2022 7:52 utc | 336

Posted by: ct | May 16 2022 7:40 utc | 333
This would be very cynical of Russia. I don’t hope they think so.
I have no idea what is happening, but I am afraid there is too much wishful thinking in the debate.
IMO, Scott Ritter lost his reputation. He did not only say, that Russia will win, but that there is „no way“ for Ukraine to resist.
What the f… is going on here?

Posted by: njet | May 16 2022 7:54 utc | 337

US/anglo pysops designed to remove people from reality – remove reality from people, Russian psyops designed to return people to reality.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 4:27 utc | 301
My psyops are better than your psyops? Really?!
Even if one camp is several orders of magnitude more cynically hypocritical, they are both Empire.

Posted by: Rae | May 16 2022 7:56 utc | 338

@ct #333
Another benefit is that local population being terrorized, kept hostage and tortured by their own army will turn against the puppet government or, at least, don’t complain about Russians.
Another fun benefit is that msm in West didn’t expect to it last and they’re running out of lies. They said months ago that Russia has no more missiles. Weeks ago Russia had no more soldiers left and all Generals were dead. Now the latest is that Russia has no cpus left and they’re using washing machine and refrigerator parts in missiles. This was actually said in some US Congress meeting, or something like that, a few days ago, demanding a ban on washing machines export to Russia!
The downside is nato knows that, it knows they’ve lost Ukr and that’s why there is almost daily shelling of villages, just for fun, to kill civilians. Mines are placed in cities including banned mines. There’s no Russian army in any of them. If it takes too long, more civilian deaths happen, more infrastructure is destroyed and it’s bad in all ways.

Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 7:58 utc | 339

Haassaan | May 16 2022 7:49 utc | 334
In Russia;s case, actions speak clearer than words. Not louder- clearer. Russia will not progress beyond what it now militarily controls. To the contrary it may well pull back from the kharkov district.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 7:58 utc | 340

You never fight the enemy when the enemy wants to be fought.
You never fight the enemy where the enemy wants to be fought.
Ritter comments (above) that the Russian plan, in the Donbass, is going precisely as planned, and it is.
He also points out that the Russians want to advance to the Dnieper River and then stop. This is a reasonable place to create an anti-Nazi, anti-Banderite defense barrier (indeed, the river itself is such a barrier). Ritter seems to think it would be a good idea to give into what the Americans want, strike hard and deep into the depths of Ukraine, maybe even engage in regime change. Why? Why on Earth would the Russians do such a thing? After all, it’s precisely what the Americans want them to do.
The Russians remember Afghanistan. They essentially fell into an American trip, were bled dry and lost the USSR (the greatest catastrophe of the 20th century). Why should they make the same mistake again?
The Americans want World War 3. Why give it to them?

Posted by: Hidari | May 16 2022 8:01 utc | 341

A much more serious article than the title implies
From the Dreizin Report
Russia Helps the Ukraine Meet its Emissions Reduction Targets

Posted by: Norwegian | May 16 2022 8:07 utc | 342

Haassaan | May 16 2022 7:49 utc | 334

I don’t know why he’d think Russia would attack Finland.

Ritter seems to be advocating escalation now.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 16 2022 8:10 utc | 343

@ #342
– No one should have any illusions that the Russian Federation will simply put up with the entry of Sweden and Finland into NATO, Ryabkov said
– Finland’s accession to NATO will definitely lead to the emergence of “new factors” in its relations with China – Chinese Foreign Ministry

Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 8:12 utc | 344

@339 Peter AU
Perhaps just securing the Donbas Republics and a land bridge to Crimea is the plan. The Dnieper is a great defensive barrier, it seems if Russia felt conflict with NATO was inevitable they would go that far.

Posted by: Haassaan | May 16 2022 8:31 utc | 345

@Haassaan | May 16 2022 8:31 utc | 344
I believe they will go to Odessa, but I don’t know when. The reasons include the fact that Odessa is an important city for the Russians, but strategically it is important to cut off Rump Ukraine from the sea and deny any NATO port in Odessa.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 16 2022 8:42 utc | 346

Posted by: Et Tu | May 16 2022 6:56 utc | 330
I may not agree with you but I like how you stir the pot. Ignore the cancel mob.

Posted by: Sarmat | May 16 2022 8:45 utc | 347

In case anyone is wondering what is happening: apart from the smoke and mirrors:
‘(Ukrainian) Presidential adviser Oleksiy Arestovich told local television that Russian troops were being (moved) in the direction of Donbas…Russian forces were being sent towards Lugansk.
“Their task is to take Severodonetsk,” he said.
Severodonetsk is the easternmost city still held by Ukraine, and its fall would grant the Kremlin de facto control of Lugansk, one of two regions – along with Donetsk – that comprise Donbas.’
(From the UK Guardian).
There you have it. Indeed, as other reports have mentioned, there are already Russian troops in the outskirts of Severodonetsk. Once they take it, and they will, though it might take weeks or even longer, then they have control of Lugansk which will not be the end, not at all, nor even near the end, but it will be the end of the beginning.

Posted by: Hidari | May 16 2022 8:47 utc | 348

@345 Norwegian
I agree, they’d also probably like to connect to that Russian enclave in Moldova.

Posted by: Haassaan | May 16 2022 9:11 utc | 349

Its funny how ppl here calling others “concern trolls” but trolling i their comments itself.
I think what many ppl here don’t understand, the war will not be over if the AFU has been defeated in Donbas.
What about Odessa, Kharkiv, Kiew? I dont see any options for russia to take these cities without heavy losses on both sides, ok, it was never the goal to take Kiew, but russia needs Odessa and Kharkiv
even if donbas is liberated Zelensky won’t surrender,what are russia options then? trying to establish a border to middle ukraine ?
NATO goal is to drag russia in an Afghanistan like conflict, and NATO dont need much achieve this, they can drag russia in a endless guerilla war in donbas.

Posted by: source of truth | May 16 2022 9:19 utc | 350

Just another wee note on the impact the internet (the worst invention in the history of Man) has had on the news.
Back in the 1960s and 1970s, this war would be being covered by Western journalists, in ‘Press’ outfits, actually on the battlefield. There would be frequent live reports from the front line. There would be interviews with Russian and Ukrainian soldiers. Kiev would be swarming with Western journalists, getting drunk with the locals getting all the local goss and info.
Now, thanks to the ‘net, that’s all gone. Foreign journalist budgets have been cut to the bone. Foreign correspondents rarely go outside London or New York.
Looking a the London Guardien’s ‘news’ feed…it’s pathetic. Almost literally every single ‘story’ is simply a Ukrainian Army press release. No on the ground reporting. At all. None. Nothing from the Russians or if it is, it’s heavily qualified by Western ‘experts’.
You have to really pore through it, reading very carefully, before a few snippets of truth emerge.

Posted by: Hidari | May 16 2022 9:34 utc | 351

@ Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 1:50 utc | 280 Re:
“And if it does happen, will you STFU?
Thought not.”
If this thing plays out as you describe then I will gracefully concede that you turned out to be right and I will treat your predictions with more respect in future. Is that good enough for you?

Posted by: MarkU | May 16 2022 9:35 utc | 352

-Head of the Kharkov administration announced the withdrawal of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the Russian-Ukrainian border
-Ukraine has concentrated about 10k servicemen against the Republic of Belarus in the Rivne direction.
-Austria will remain neutral, the Foreign Ministry said.
Guerilla war is only Pelosi’s fantasy, can’t happen. But I have no idea what is the plan for Kiev or Lviv. They can place troops around and wait, Azovstal style.

Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 9:35 utc | 353

‘I think what many ppl here don’t understand, the war will not be over if the AFU has been defeated in Donbas.’
Who said it would? But the mass of the Ukrainian army, including its best troops, will have been destroyed.
‘What about Odessa, Kharkiv, Kiew? I dont see any options for russia to take these cities without heavy losses on both sides, ok, it was never the goal to take Kiew, but russia needs Odessa and Kharkiv.’
Really? Why? The Russians are only interested in liberating Russian-speaking parts of the Ukraine who want to be liberated. The Russians cannot and will not tolerate a Nato funded terrorist/guerilla operation, fighting for ‘independence’ or ‘re unification’ with the Ukraine in areas that have been conquered/liberated.
Once the Ukrainian army is destroyed, the Russians take those parts of Ukraine most in favour of being re-assimilated into Russia, and then leave the rest. Then they put into place a huge long anti-fascist defence barrier (the Russians have done this before….) separating Russia from Nato-occupied Ukraine.
Remember, ARMIES NOT AREAS!!

Posted by: Hidari | May 16 2022 9:42 utc | 354

Here is a map of Russian speaking parts of the Ukraine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language_in_Ukraine#/media/File:Russianlang2001ua.PNG
The Russians (I guess) will take the parts of the Ukraine which are shown on this map in deepest red. The less red they are, the less likely the Russians will take them. It’s that simple.

Posted by: Hidari | May 16 2022 9:43 utc | 355

@349 source of truth
“they can drag russia in a endless guerilla war in donbas.”
No, no they can’t, not in the Donbass. They’d have a generally loyal population and plenty of logistics and intelligence/counter-intelligence to prevent anything but sporadic terror attacks. That would hold true in most of the East.

Posted by: Haassaan | May 16 2022 9:51 utc | 356

TQC @ 325
The modus operandi is to grind down all comers and to outlast them. Make what you want of the postings, don’t imagine that this poster is a person or a single person.

Posted by: Oldhippie | May 16 2022 9:53 utc | 357

@source of truth | May 16 2022 9:19 utc | 349
As a matter of fact, there have been two highly combat ready, well armed and trained parts of the AFU, making about two thirds of the active army at start of the SVO, namely the Donbass group and the Mariupol (Azow plus marine corps) group, the one about 120k ppl, the other 15-20k ppl. The latter has perished almost completely, the further may have lost at least one third of their personnel, partially to combat losses and defections, partially due to relocation to other fronts in Cherson and Charkov regions. When the battles of Donbass end, most of these units will have ceased to exist. Already, ten thousands of Teroboron units are thrown into the meat grinder, dying, surrendering, defecting.
What is left to Ukraine? There are about 60-80k units in the West and the middle, partially covering the border to Belarus and Kiew. They may hardly be withdrawn and thrown to the East. There may be 30-40k units of different combat value in Nikolayev and Odessa oblast which have to cover a huge terrain, the Nikolaev/Krivoy Rog group already under attrition, having suffered losses in a series of failed counter offensives, many defections reported. The initiative on those fronts is completely to the RF.
It is american sources telling that the RF has not yet used any of the newly transferred motorized brigades. They can do anytime.
Looking at the combat losses reported and estimated, it seems that the Ukraine suffers at least 3 times more in personnel (defections not counted) that the RF, and possibly more than 5 times in equipment (50 times or so in aviation). Only, Russia may always replace the losses. I am wondering a bit why so few of their lates combat technique has shown up so far. An explanation may be that the newest technique does not offer large advantage over the standard one like T72/90, BMP2/3 etc. over a second class opponent. Rozhin opines, though, that the uzility of UAF has initially been underestimated by the RF, that may well be. But all the zoo of combat technique from the NATO junkyards will hardly make up for the UA losses, and still have to be brought to the frontline. To bleed Ukraine out of equipment, a frontline as far from NATO borders as possible is an advantage.
Question is, how will and can Ukraine sustain the war? When the Donbass group is gone, Nikolayev and Odessa are most probably next, maybe a sweep of the areas close to the Russian border to get rid of molestations by UA artillery. Maybe they return to Charkov, sure. Takink Kiew, why? This is not a napoleonic war.
And at some point, Ukrainians may rise up. Lost wars are a breeding ground for revolutions.

Posted by: aquadraht | May 16 2022 9:55 utc | 358

“What about Odessa, Kharkiv, Kiew? I dont see any options for russia to take these cities without heavy losses on both sides,”
Kharkiv will fall easier than you think once The Donbass is taken care of. Russia will take losses, the Ukrainians will take heavy losses.
“even if donbas is liberated Zelensky won’t surrender,what are russia options then?”
The Dnieper is a great natural border, doesn’t matter what Zelensky does, he can continue fighting, throwing what’s left of his army at a dug in Russian military and get nowhere. In the meantime, Russia can just keep bombing whatever they like at little cost.
A border further East is a little trickier, but there are a few very defensible rivers in Ukraine, Russia just needs to dig in and they will inflict unsustainable damage overt time.

Posted by: Haassaan | May 16 2022 10:04 utc | 359

@Hidari | May 16 2022 9:34 utc | 350
I agree about Western presstitutes, but do not blame everything to the internet. They were rotten in Iraq war already, as the US had “learnt the lesson of Vietnam” where they blamed the defeat to hostile media and public. Since then, the media, and as much as possible, the public, has been brainwashed. Internet is more a panem et circenses thing here.
But there are still journalists left. Vanessa Beeley, Karin Leukefeld (in Syria), Patrick Lancaster and a few more courageous westerners, then ANNA News (they are sometimes crazy taking risks), and a bunch of Russian reporters and war correspondents, who do exactly that, speaking with the locals, going close to the frontlines. And bloggers like Rozhin do in no way sugarcoat Russian advances and failures.

Posted by: aquadraht | May 16 2022 10:14 utc | 360

Reading reports that Ukr forces have reached the Russian border north of Kharkiv. Another pr stunt with no strategic significance or is Russia facing problems in this area?

Posted by: Keith | May 16 2022 10:26 utc | 361

Remember that Biden lied at first about $600bn, but $300 were moved long time ago
Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 7:10 utc | 331
Biden did not lie – his script writers just stumbled over the fact that not all Russian currency reserves were held in currencies the US and its allies control.
It’s quite possible they believed that they would be able to freeze all of Russia’s reserves – they still seem surprised that most countries on Earth refuse to join their sanctions on Russia.

Posted by: Martina | May 16 2022 10:27 utc | 362

They have reached by running and hit the wall

Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 10:29 utc | 363

Dash cam video of at least 7 Iskanders going on highway in Vyborg towards Finland border appeared right now.

Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 10:31 utc | 364

@360 Kieth
A possible trap, the Ukies can’t seem to resist throwing themselves into kettles. The more Russia can get Ukrainian soldiers to leave cities and fortifications the better.
Ultimately, when Kharkiv is sieged I think the Russians will send fresh units along the same path the Ukrainians are taking to the border to pressure from the north.

Posted by: Haassaan | May 16 2022 10:38 utc | 365

If you seriously believe Russia is having an easy time in this war and not facing a tough fight I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
Posted by: darren price | May 16 2022 0:53 utc | 256

If you have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell, it only means that you are a crook.
If you believe that the ukronazis are having an easy time in this war, it only means that you are a pro-nazi troll.
When I see Tchetchens at work or some Somali servicemen on the shore of the Azov sea or the soldiers encircling Azovstal, yes, I know that they can have easy time.
Conclusion: fuck off with your strawman fallacy as nobody here says war is an easy time.

Posted by: Olivier | May 16 2022 10:45 utc | 366

Scott Ritter has been right about a lot but also wrong on some major predictions – I read him as a gatekeeper – the sanest most honest analyst in the NATO camp doing his job which is to talk up pro Russian Special Operation expectations and gloss over the primary bio warfare front that went hot with covid 19 attacks on Wuhan & Iran in January 2020. I think Russia’s plan is going as far as the entire East bank of The Dneiper plus the entire Black Sea coast oblasts at a slow pace grinding down ukrops that have been pinned in place by previous tactical movements of RF forces.
EW can take care of any potential threats offered by Poland & Finland should they possess missiles capable of reaching Russian troops because there are no Orthodox Christian brothers to liberate beyond the Eastern 2/3 of 404.

Posted by: Gatt | May 16 2022 10:51 utc | 367

Reading reports that Ukr forces have reached the Russian border north of Kharkiv. Another pr stunt with no strategic significance or is Russia facing problems in this area?
Posted by: Keith | May 16 2022 10:26 utc | 360

I read that Ukraine stormed successfully Serpent Island.
I read that the ukronazis of Azovstal will be evacuated to Turkey.
I read that Ukraine will win the war.
I read that Ukraine will get back Donbass and Crimea.
Please, stop asking stupid questions. Thanks.

Posted by: Olivier | May 16 2022 10:54 utc | 368

b ought to take action against people like Olivier and RSH. But that’s not my business. I’m not going to waste more time here.

Posted by: Sarmat | May 16 2022 11:00 utc | 369

Local units of the 101st Airborne (Ft. Campbell, KY) have been mobilized and are headed to Europe.

Posted by: Wook | May 16 2022 11:02 utc | 370

rk @363
That video is about a month old.

Posted by: Joe6pack | May 16 2022 11:11 utc | 371

Ritter seems to be under the impression that it is or was Russia’s plan to not only go west of the Dneiper, but make war on Finland to. As such he is suffering cognitive dissonance with what he is seeing on the battlefield.
Posted by: Haassaan | May 16 2022 7:49 utc | 334
How do you now what Russia’s plans are?
Scott already stated earlier that he sees the situation in Ukraine slide towards war – so far, it is not war yet but a special operation, and that fighting will become much worse if/when it becomes a real war. He said most of central Ukraine would be destroyed in the process.
That is not cognitive dissonance. It is what will result from NATO pumping more weapons into Ukraine, from NATO’s hybrid war on Russia. It is what will come from NATO’s insistence “to not let Russia win”. US senators openly say “We are at war with Russia.” Scott wasn’t born yesterday. He has heard such declarations of intent before.
As for the war in Ukraine, Gonzalo Lira goes one step further than Scott. He says the outcome of the war in Ukraine is already decided. Poland will annex Western Ukraine. Russia will take the South and East. The rest will become a dead buffer state.

Posted by: Martina | May 16 2022 11:12 utc | 372

@Joe6pack – really? They’ll move something else then, like the Terminators I keep waiting for

Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 11:14 utc | 373

I’m hesitant about writing this, but
Remember the fight in Zaire when Muhammad Ali, without telling anyone and much to their dismay, decided on the tactic of encouraging taunting and exhausting his opponent, whom most had vaunted as much bigger much stronger, until he was all fought out and became an easy prey
The stated modest aims of the SMO and pretty much all subsequent actions appear designed with this tactic in mind
If this is unconvincing, A quote from Lenin to remind everyone that even careful patient progress is riddled with pitfalls to be overcome, a lesson Putin appears to have learned, and applied to the prosecution of this war
There is “nothing more dangerous than illusions. “Those Communists are doomed who imagine that it is possible to finish such an epoch-making undertaking as completing the foundations of socialist economy…without making mistakes, without retreats, without numerous alterations to what is unfinished or wrongly done.”

Posted by: Gerrard White | May 16 2022 11:14 utc | 374

@Martina #371
It would be very strange if Hungary accepts that outcome. Poland gets its land back but Hungary not? Instead Hungarians get sent to die for Slava Cocaini?
Romania wouldn’t do anything, it’s a paralyzed puppet state and can barely survive, no need for more land and more people.

Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 11:17 utc | 375

Posted by: MarkU | May 16 2022 9:35 utc | 351
“If this thing plays out as you describe then I will gracefully concede that you turned out to be right and I will treat your predictions with more respect in future. Is that good enough for you?”
Works for me. And as I said, if I’m wrong, I will admit so. I’ve done it before.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 11:32 utc | 376

b ought to take action against people like Olivier and RSH. But that’s not my business. I’m not going to waste more time here.
Posted by: Sarmat | May 16 2022 11:00 utc | 368

If only he will keep is word…

Posted by: Olivier | May 16 2022 11:35 utc | 377

Martina @371 “How do you now what Russia’s plans are?”
I don’t, of course, just throwing my opinion out there and viewing the situation through my own lens of beliefs and whatnot.
Yes,I think he is right, NATO will likely create a wider war with its actions. I just think Russia will wage most of the war defensively and won’t grind away its army pushing into Finland or Western Ukraine.
The cognivitive dissonance comes in by thinking Russia has to take more land than they do.

Posted by: Haassaan | May 16 2022 11:41 utc | 378

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 4:27 utc | 301
I’d argue that the Russian “infowar” is directed at the rest of the world and more importantly the residents of liberated territories. The Russian army is also demining farm fields (95% of Kherson’s agricultural land has been planted now), restoring utilities (some of Mariupol now has electricity and water), and running a humanitarian aid operation as big as the military one.
There’s a lot of “western” thinking that supports Russia but only wants to see the results of war. These types then whipsaw back and forth between over confidence and all is lost emotions. It’s even getting hard to read MoA comment threads with the rapid fire regurgitation of telegram posts. RSH appears to believe this is his blog and we’re all just hanging on his every report from the front lines of keyboard wars. Clearly we all need to be subjected to the vagaries of his emotional state relative to other public commenters and board commenters.

Posted by: Lex | May 16 2022 11:43 utc | 379

rk @372
Yup, originally connected to this exercise:
https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12416160@egNews

Posted by: Joe6pack | May 16 2022 11:52 utc | 380

As for the war in Ukraine, Gonzalo Lira goes one step further than Scott. He says the outcome of the war in Ukraine is already decided. Poland will annex Western Ukraine. Russia will take the South and East. The rest will become a dead buffer state.
Posted by: Martina | May 16 2022 11:12 utc | 371

Nobody knows nothing and everyone can say anything on the fate of Ukraine. Why not to ask Nostradamus about the future of this “country”?
Those commentators know nothing more than b. Period. They are using this liberation operation to become famous. Period. They understand nothing more than many people posting here like Richard, Tungsten, Peter, Oldhippie, etc.

Posted by: Olivier | May 16 2022 11:52 utc | 381

About all the back and forth about Ritter’s about face (supposedly):
How abut we take a cue from Lavrov’s recent statements? yes, he did mention the SMO is going some what slower than expected, though, as he added for context, it’s for good reasons:
1. Russia is fighting the collective West – he as much as said it. No doubt in reference both to the continuing supplies of weapons, the endless propaganda, and perhaps in recognition of the invaluable help provided by NATO’s satellites, including Musk’s starlink. These no doubt combine to slow the pace of the operations, given that Russia absolutely wants to minimize its own casualties. They also serve to keep up the fight n the Ukie side, by hook or by crook. Yes, Russia could counter with more EW for example, but perhaps it chooses not to reveal its hand? which means slower, yes.
2. The war is a hybrid war. Now that has meaning ie – it’s taking place on multiple fronts – economic, military, political. One aspect that occurred to me is that Russia is also trying not to give cause for accusations of untoward brutality, scorched earth tactics, etc. This is extremely important if Russia is to keep the sympathies and the [sometimes secret] support by China, India and the Global south as well as those of us who are western dissidents.
3. Most significantly, he mentioned on at least two occasions that what the war is really all about is to displace American hegemony. What that means among many many other considerations, is that time must be given for Glaziev et al to prepare the new currency basket with its commodity basis, as well as new alternatives for money transfer that can be universally accepted (not just by China and Russia). It always seemed to me that such a monumental endeavor (displacing a hegemon without a world war of the all out kind) must be allowed to take time, and neither Russia nor China were ready for some kind of an abrupt transition, especially if digital currencies are to be part of the mix.
If I am right abut the behind-the-scenes aspects then indeed, those are best carried out under the shadow of the fog of war, which takes up most of the attention now. Including Ritter’s.
Heck, now that I think of it, there is even the possibility that the SMO is deliberately carried out at something of a “leisurely pace”, which annoys us all, and causes hysteria and hand wringing b y not a few, but long long time from now, after the dust is settled, will be viewed as a brilliant [non speedy] move.

Posted by: Merlin 2 | May 16 2022 11:52 utc | 382

“Ukraine has a chance to join NATO.” – statement made by U.S. Charge d’Affaires in Kyiv, Kristina Queen, at an Ukrainian press meeting, according to “Evropeyskaya Pravda”.

Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 11:53 utc | 383

@Joe6pack – thanks for the info. I’m dissapointed :)) Maybe next week

Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 11:54 utc | 384

james@293
Here, in Ontario too.

Posted by: bevin | May 16 2022 12:11 utc | 385

Posted by: Olivier | May 16 2022 10:54 utc | 367
A valid question that didn’t deserve such a stupid answer

Posted by: Keith | May 16 2022 12:13 utc | 386

Can someone explain to me what causes a body to catch fire within SFs? Below is a link to a video of SFs taking out someone and a fire begins.
https://southfront.org/in-video-night-hunting-of-russian-special-forces-in-ukraine/
I have seen another video in night view with a body catching fire, but I have no clue what can cause a body to ignite.

Posted by: Sundial | May 16 2022 12:25 utc | 387

One last thing before I head off for the day:
Remember
The real enemy of the Yanks is not the Russians. The real enemy of the Yanks is China.
In reality the Yanks probably don’t care too much about the Russians. But they are afraid of the Russian’s 5000 nuclear warheads.
I hate to say it, but I think the US have done quite well out of this so far. Finland and Sweden can join the American Empire. With Brexit and other things, the EU is probably disintegrating (it can be replaced by Nato as the ‘glue’ holding Europe together, completely under American control).
I think the model here is Kuwait. In 1991, the American media persuaded people that the freedom loving Kuwaiti junta needed protection from the ‘New Hitler’ Saddam Hussein. This was the excuse not just for attacks on the Iraqi army (via proxies, mainly) but for 10 years of crushing sanctions. When those had done their work, the US manufactured another excuse and then invaded and destroyed Iraq.
I doubt the Yanks want a war with Russia yet. The Russians are too strong…for now. But the Americans want to ‘grind the Russians down’ for a decade or so, hoping to starve and immiserate the Russians. When they are weak and destroyed (or at least, immiserated) the Americans can go on with attacking, invading and then destroying China.
Or at least that’s the plan, or so it seems to me.

Posted by: Hidari | May 16 2022 12:28 utc | 388

“So Scott Ritter, who I have a lot of respect for and therefore concern over this, has overnight changed his view on the Ukraine war to unwinable as the West will “bleed it dry” with endless weapons flow. Any riposte?”
Posted by: daisuke | May 15 2022 12:06 utc | 3
The war whose kinetic expression is being fought by soldiers on the fields of Ukraine will be won or lost in the geopolitical arena principally in the US and Europe socio-political spheres. Eurasia is betting that the Empire of Lies is a house of cards and its people a bunch of gender obsessed post-feminist cry babies who will crumple quickly in the face of the widespread adversity coming down in the next year or so turning inwards and on each other as they do so.
The war provides cover for the embedded Western elites working from within to bring their nations down and usher in their new techno fascist wet dream. So the war will go on until the economic blowback starts to bite and rioting more than paid-for psyops. Russia has no good reason to speed things up. The West can keep sending in more out of date ordinance. Maybe Austin’s call was to coordinate the flow rate logistics so the Russians can maintain their rate of fire accordingly.
Kinetically, outside the Russian speaking zone which voted almost as a bloc, they might beat the soldiers in the field but they won’t win any referenda afterwards. So no occupation of Galicia or Kiev – though they might try a little population displacement therapy to effect the latter.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 16 2022 12:38 utc | 389

“That one M777 (out of 90) that was shown did not have its typical satellite navigation and digital fire control system. Seems the U.S. removed those boxes before handing them over. It will have made them less precise.”
Posted by: b | May 15 2022 13:24 utc | 22
Phony war? Certainly very strange war… But then they nearly all are when you dig down…

Posted by: Scorpion | May 16 2022 12:48 utc | 390

Don Bacon [303]
Any quoting The Kyiv Independent is risible. Not only is it closely associated on a personal level with Azov but it was previously owned by oligarchs and then a Pakistani “entrepreneur” engaged in steel – I think in Odessa – until things became too hot for him.
The paper is dubious.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 16 2022 13:07 utc | 391

Phony war? Certainly very strange war… But then they nearly all are when you dig down…
Posted by: Scorpion | May 16 2022 12:48 utc | 389
Well the question is, who is manipulating whom, who is getting traction with their efforts to damage the other? Who really needs to end this and who can carry on indefinitely? Who has options and who is out of luck?
Russia framed it from the beginning as “special” and limited, and it is clear the West wants to play chicken as much as it can. So yeah, phony, especially for the people who are fighting and dying in it as an existential cause.
I think Mr. Ritter has been talked to. I have read the piece at Unz where it explains his POV now, and he is not very convincing.
But most modern wars are like that, lots of pretend.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 16 2022 13:08 utc | 392

Psychohistorian [311]
Reuters is reporting that Ukraine is on the offensive against Russia.
You mean Thomson-Reuters of Canada – whose Digital Editor used to be Chrystia Freeland after she was Global Editor.
http://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/matthewzeitlin/how-chrystia-freeland-hastened-reuters-nexts-demise.
Then again Reuters was partnered with TASS. The CEO of Thomson-Reuters sits on the board of Pfizer. Thomson-Reuters handles “fact-checking” for Facebook
I don’t know how much I care to trust Reuters in any direction

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 16 2022 13:15 utc | 393

RT is reporting that surrender of injured Ukrainians from Azovstal has been negotiated. Apparently the group of ten Ukrainians that surrendered earlier was sent with a mission of negotiating the terms of surrender.

Posted by: Milos | May 16 2022 13:18 utc | 394

Posted by: karlof1 | May 15 2022 20:57 utc | 183

Why is that system of control being destroyed? Because it must be for humanity’s sake.

Very well said.
I have just read the transcript of President Putin’s address to the Davos meeting in January 2021. Thanks for referencing it. What a speech. Contrast the WEF catchphrase and all it entails “you will own nothing and be happy” with “It is clear that the world cannot continue creating an economy that will only benefit a million people, or even the golden billion. This is a destructive precept. This model is unbalanced by default.” and Putin’s four priorities
“First, everyone must have comfortable living conditions, including housing and affordable transport, energy and public utility infrastructure. Plus environmental welfare, something that must not be overlooked.
Second, everyone must be sure that they will have a job that can ensure sustainable growth of income and, hence, decent standards of living. Everyone must have access to an effective system of lifelong education, which is absolutely indispensable now and which will allow people to develop, make a career and receive a decent pension and social benefits upon retirement.
Third, people must be confident that they will receive high-quality and effective medical care whenever necessary, and that the national healthcare system will guarantee access to modern medical services.
Fourth, regardless of the family income, children must be able to receive a decent education and realise their potential. Every child has potential.
This is the only way to guarantee the cost-effective development of the modern economy, in which people are perceived as the end, rather than the means. Only those countries capable of attaining progress in at least these four areas will facilitate their own sustainable and all-inclusive development. These areas are not exhaustive, and I have just mentioned the main aspects.”

Posted by: cirsium | May 16 2022 13:22 utc | 395

Putin talked about neo-nazi in Ukraine. The response to Finland and Sweden will be linked to deployment of weapons or infrastructure. And that nato is an artificial thing only used for US policy.
US created biological weapons at the borders of the CSTO. And CSTO will start multiple large scale military exercises

Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 13:40 utc | 396

Are we possibly looking at mass surrender of Ukrainians? There are some rumours fast spreading.

Posted by: Milos | May 16 2022 13:47 utc | 397

Posted by: Milos | May 16 2022 13:47 utc | 396
You mean at Azovstal? Around 500-600 from the injured, and only VSU, it seems from the channels. The first 50 or so are coming out now.

Posted by: Bloke from block 8 | May 16 2022 13:50 utc | 398

So only wounded? What sort of “negotiation” is this? If they get rid of the wounded and not other people, they can fight better and kill more Russians. Great plan!

Posted by: rk | May 16 2022 13:55 utc | 399

Posted by: daisuke | May 15 2022 12:06 utc | 3

“So Scott Ritter, who I have a lot of respect for and therefore concern over this, has overnight changed his view on the Ukraine war to unwinable as the West will “bleed it dry” with endless weapons flow. Any riposte?”

Scott Ritter has given us all he knows, which is much.
However, Scott Ritter knows nothing of victory, for he has never seen it.
Vladimir Putin, however, knows the shape and feel of victory.
He created true victory in Chechnya, Georgia and Crimea. What he has created in Syria is certainly a a victory, though a tenuous one.
I would say we have come to the edge of where Ritter can guide us, from here on out there is only one man on this earth with the hands-on experience of military victory in recent decades, and that man is V.V Putin … and he, I’m afraid will remain silent.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 16 2022 13:57 utc | 400