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May 15, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-66
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The open thread for other issues is here.
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@c1ue | May 15 2022 18:13 utc | 119 Posted by: aquadraht | May 15 2022 22:02 utc | 201 Ritter simply says that “unless Putin mobilizes or transfers forces in” Russia will have to move forces from the Donbass front and that will prolong the SMO. Posted by: Sarmat | May 15 2022 22:03 utc | 202 @ Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 21:26 utc | 193 with the perspective on Scott Ritter Posted by: psychohistorian | May 15 2022 22:05 utc | 203 Posted by: blues | May 15 2022 20:33 utc | 172 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 22:06 utc | 204 At the end of the day they added nothing to Marx’s observation that consciousness is a product of material conditions. Unearned wealth does not free one’s consciousness, it transforms that consciousness into delusion. Posted by: K | May 15 2022 22:12 utc | 205 Posted by: nook | May 15 2022 21:19 utc | 191 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 22:14 utc | 206 Posted by: Hidari | May 15 2022 21:25 utc | 192 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 22:16 utc | 207 Sort of like a socialist mini-state operating within the chainlink erected to keep the real world at a distance. Posted by: K | May 15 2022 22:20 utc | 208 Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 22:14 utc | 206 Posted by: aquadraht | May 15 2022 22:22 utc | 209 Posted by: psychohistorian | May 15 2022 22:05 utc | 203 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 22:22 utc | 210 @178 re: US neo-nazi shooter in Buffalo Posted by: ptb | May 15 2022 22:23 utc | 211 Posted by: aquadraht | May 15 2022 22:22 utc | 209 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 22:29 utc | 212 General overview of SMO is that it’s going according to the initial overall plan, while adjustments were made based on its technical development. The initial goal of liberating the Donbass Republics is partially accomplished, while the goal of securing Crimea’s fresh water resources and further securing of its border region is complete. Each day sees a further reduction in UAF’s abilities and resources, not just at the front but also in the rear. Specifically, the UAF’s ability to shift forces is greatly degraded due to fuel and transport shortages. By month’s end, the vast majority of the UAF will be rendered static–immobile. When that occurs, the situation will consist of several sieges that will be impossible for UAF to survive; we thus hope that Ukraine’s local leaders will recognize that and sue to end the needless continuation of resistance since its clear what stands for Ukraine’s national leadership isn’t Ukrainian at all with orders issued by the Outlaw US Empire. As Putin stated on May 12th: You gotta love people who accuse you of trolling and then post 20 comments in a row… Self awareness does come slowly to some. Posted by: Et Tu | May 15 2022 22:33 utc | 214 Posted by: aquadraht | May 15 2022 22:22 utc | 209 Posted by: Sarmat | May 15 2022 22:33 utc | 215 From The Saker…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 22:35 utc | 216 Strange that Ritter appears to now be voicing concerns shared by Blinken. Posted by: Sushi | May 15 2022 22:36 utc | 217 Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 22:29 utc | 212 Posted by: aquadraht | May 15 2022 22:37 utc | 218 @Posted by: Sushi | May 15 2022 17:58 utc | 116 Posted by: Et Tu | May 15 2022 22:33 utc | 214 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 22:39 utc | 220 @donten | May 15 2022 18:52 utc | 133 Posted by: cirsium | May 15 2022 22:40 utc | 221 More gobshites on here tonight than usual. Wonder if it’s raining out? Posted by: Mongo | May 15 2022 22:41 utc | 222 89, 92, 124 Posted by: oldhippie | May 15 2022 22:42 utc | 223 >>So Scott Ritter, who I have a lot of respect for and therefore concern over this, has overnight changed his view on the Ukraine war to unwinable << ??? Scott Ritter did not say it can't be won. Ritter's point is Russia didn't act decisive enough in manpower. And because of this and the Time that has gone by, it allowed western powers to prop up and expand Ukraine's military capability. As he states, Ukraine is losing men very quickly but they are, so far, able to maintain sufficiently against Russia not increasing their 180k men. He then stated, in effect, Russia should be mobilizing from its huge manpower resource and be decisive as well as, inexplicably, allowing some western supplies to get to the front line. That is his opinion. It may be a good one or it may not. But it was not "unwinable". Posted by: Corsair66 | May 15 2022 22:47 utc | 224 Posted by: aquadraht | May 15 2022 22:37 utc | 218 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 22:49 utc | 225 Sarmat | May 15 2022 22:33 utc | 215 Posted by: aquadraht | May 15 2022 22:50 utc | 226 Latvia (one of tri-baltic statelets) seems to de facto denounce the treaty about Russian army withdrawal from Latvians SSR. Posted by: Arioch | May 15 2022 22:51 utc | 227 I used to read Turcopolier often, but Lang has completely lost it so no more. Posted by: Don Bacon | May 15 2022 22:53 utc | 228 Posted by: Et Tu | May 15 2022 11:55 utc | 1 Posted by: Olivier | May 15 2022 22:54 utc | 229 Et Tu #1 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 15 2022 22:57 utc | 230 Sushi & Roger– @Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 22:35 utc | 216 @E Tu Posted by: Win | May 15 2022 23:04 utc | 233 @karlof1 | May 15 2022 22:58 utc | 231 Posted by: aquadraht | May 15 2022 23:11 utc | 234 Posted by: Corsair66 | May 15 2022 22:47 utc | 224 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 23:11 utc | 235 I believe that forever wars also bring us a domestic component. . .If somebody upsets you, or talks mean, or you just need a pick-me-up, kill some people. It’s okay. It’s what we do over there, and over here. Posted by: Don Bacon | May 15 2022 23:13 utc | 236 Posted by: Olivier | May 15 2022 22:54 utc | 229 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 23:13 utc | 237 Posted by: Roger | May 15 2022 23:00 utc | 232 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 23:18 utc | 238 Win | May 15 2022 23:04 utc | 233 “The end result tho Russia succeeded in crossing and claiming the ‘other’ side of the river.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 15 2022 23:23 utc | 239 Origins of Eurovision Contest and how the Pentagon and NATO organized the Ukrainian victory in the already desprestigiated “contest”… Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 15 2022 23:32 utc | 240 About the river crossing whatever to take away focus from Putin’s Victory Day speech Posted by: psychohistorian | May 15 2022 23:33 utc | 241 This is the level of BS people are getting from the UK…and regurgitated from the US media. I supposed this will start a new round of concern trolling here. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 23:35 utc | 242 From karlof1’s earlier coment Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 15 2022 23:52 utc | 243 Karkiv is in the news a lot, only because the new Russian GLOCs (ground lines of Communication, basically roads) run nearby which were intended to provide the Russian Army a “back door” to the Ukie defences oriented towards the south. So it may happen the Russia will have to turn to Plan B, that is attacking and defeating the entrenched Ukie defending forces head-on. So it goes. Just do it. Posted by: Don Bacon | May 16 2022 0:03 utc | 244 Sushi | May 15 2022 17:58 utc | 116
Posted by: Doug Hillman | May 16 2022 0:05 utc | 245 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 15 2022 22:57 utc | 230 Posted by: Sushi | May 16 2022 0:15 utc | 246 I hit the post button by mistake so will cotinue with what I think may be occurring Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 0:15 utc | 247 From my armchair view, I think Scott was visited by some folks and convinced he needs to change his “perspective” which you are observing. Posted by: Activist Potato | May 16 2022 0:24 utc | 248 @nook Posted by: Olivio | May 16 2022 0:31 utc | 249 Posted by: Activist Potato | May 16 2022 0:24 utc | 248 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 0:36 utc | 251 Hear ye! Hear ye, the wise words of armchair General CarlD Posted by: CarlD | May 16 2022 0:40 utc | 252 Interesting comment on Pepe Escobar’s Telegram channel… A description of the security around the Crimean bridge. Impressive.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 0:40 utc | 253 Interesting comment by the https://t.me/polkovnik_hodarenok Telegram channel, quoting Ukrainian sources…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 0:46 utc | 254 From wikipedia
Wikipedia try to steer around the fact that after being pardoned and returning to Ukraine she wanted to negotiate and make peace with the separatist regions. From Aidar to peacemaker. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 0:50 utc | 255 Posted by: rk | May 15 2022 20:44 utc | 177 Posted by: darren price | May 16 2022 0:53 utc | 256 @17, Et Tu… Posted by: line islands | May 16 2022 0:54 utc | 257 @ james | May 15 2022 17:30 utc | 106 Posted by: MarkU | May 16 2022 0:54 utc | 258 Jimmy Dore puts the boot into the demoncrazis and the fraudsquad. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 16 2022 1:00 utc | 259 Post 189 Posted by: osi | May 16 2022 1:01 utc | 260 & the vileness of american ‘foreign policy’ Posted by: michaelj72 | May 16 2022 1:02 utc | 261 I haven’t seen any comments about the issuance of new SDRs (special drawing rights) by the IMF this june, as well as the adjustment of the SDR currency basket by the BIS. To me it seems (and Michael Hudson made some comments about it) like the secret weapon/last straw of the west to keep poorer nations in the US economic orbit. They will face the choice of either paying astronomical prices to feed their population (how?) or take on some new IMF SDR debt (to pay astronomical food prices). One big questions seems to be the role of China in all this as the yuan/renmimbi is expected to gain a much bigger weight in the new SDR basket. I guess a critical point for Russia is to convince China they are winning this war otherwise China might lose confidence and agree to this devilish plan of the west. Posted by: Anonymous | May 16 2022 1:05 utc | 262 Rybar explains why Ritter’s “million man army” is bullshit. They also explain where Ritter got that notion – from the Ukrainians! Amazing…Scott believed this shit?
And even if all that happened as the Ukrainians say – which is next to impossible – what will Russia do? Commit another couple hundred thousand troops and tanks. As someone said above, plenty of military districts left in Russia. They don’t have to mobilize at all short of confronting a full-scale NATO invasion – which Russia would never allow to be built up in the first place. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 1:05 utc | 263 Posted by: osi | May 16 2022 1:01 utc | 260 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 1:10 utc | 264 Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 0:36 utc | 251 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 1:11 utc | 265 Posted by: MarkU | May 16 2022 0:54 utc | 258 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 1:11 utc | 266 @ Tom_Q_Collins | May 15 2022 19:04 utc | 135 Re: Posted by: MarkU | May 16 2022 1:11 utc | 267 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 1:11 utc | 265 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 1:19 utc | 268 @FZappa, 21:55 Posted by: Lex | May 16 2022 1:19 utc | 269 From Intel Slava Z Telegram channel on Finland and Sweden…
Just like Ukraine… The only difference being that Ukraine had the military size to threaten Russia if full NATO support was there, or at least, the eastern republics. And of course Ukraine is full of neo-Nazi lunatics. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 1:24 utc | 270 @ Richard Steven Hack | May 15 2022 21:26 utc | 193 Re: Posted by: MarkU | May 16 2022 1:24 utc | 271 Posted by: William Gruff | May 15 2022 20:39 utc | 174 Posted by: Circe | May 16 2022 1:33 utc | 272 Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 1:19 utc | 268 “I think any comment about what’s going on there is complete speculation at this point.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 1:35 utc | 273 Oh yeah, one more thing, Gruff and whoever tries to pull that type of stunt with me.: Don’t mess with Circe! Posted by: Circe | May 16 2022 1:41 utc | 274 K #154
Agreed, the ABC is clearly not credible. Has been a totally infiltrated conservative news service for some decades. Barely any independent journalism from there ever let alone now. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 16 2022 1:43 utc | 275 As usual, MoA comments provide great insights. Thank you all! Just finished an article, which draws upon B’s work and some of the discussion here (and credits it). Posted by: julianmacfarlane | May 16 2022 1:43 utc | 276 @259 Jimmy Dore certainly nails the problem. The so-called progressives have become the war party. Anybody who disagrees is an unpatriotic Putin puppet. Hard to understand how that happened. I can only assume the Democrats think they are saying what the American people want to hear. Posted by: dh | May 16 2022 1:45 utc | 278 Et Tu #167
I am equally at fault here. Apologies and my shout. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 16 2022 1:49 utc | 279 Posted by: MarkU | May 16 2022 1:24 utc | 271 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 1:50 utc | 280 “Hermann Goering’s Quote On War And The People. “Naturally the common people don’t want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 16 2022 1:50 utc | 281 It appears i overestimated your ability to formulate your own opinion of a video, regardless of where it is posted. Posted by: K | May 16 2022 2:01 utc | 282 @ Don Bacon Posted by: K | May 16 2022 2:04 utc | 283 @ RSH – 251 Posted by: Don Bacon | May 16 2022 2:07 utc | 284 @ RSH 268
Posted by: Don Bacon | May 16 2022 2:18 utc | 285 Tom_Q_Collins #125
IMO Yasha writes good stuff occasionally, and pure unadulterated tosh other times. I gave up on him a while back as he seems to suffer from the shit he projects onto others. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 16 2022 2:24 utc | 286 @K 283 Posted by: Don Bacon | May 16 2022 2:25 utc | 287 Sushi | May 15 2022 18:00 utc | 117 about problems with “wonky” and slow site response Posted by: fanto | May 16 2022 2:39 utc | 288 Hungary’s new president condemns Putin’s ‘aggression’, plans trip to Warsaw . . .here. Novak, a former Fidesz party lawmaker and ally of Prime Minister Viktor Orban, was elected to the largely ceremonial post of president in March, shortly before Orban won another landslide victory in elections on April 3. Posted by: Don Bacon | May 16 2022 3:25 utc | 289 Mercouris discusses Scott Ritter’s change of heart and Ritter’s notions of the possibility of Ukraine holding the line based on Western weapons. His basic opinion is that the West had three plans: Plan A – economic war; failed; Plan B – flooding Ukraine with light weapons; failed; and Plan C – flooding Ukraine with artillery and armor and other systems; probably going to fail. He discusses why Plan C is likely to fail, making some of the points I make. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 3:27 utc | 290 That armchair general declaration was funny! Posted by: Geoff | May 16 2022 3:27 utc | 291 @ Paco | May 15 2022 19:47 utc | 152 Posted by: james | May 16 2022 3:40 utc | 292 sushi and fanto Posted by: james | May 16 2022 3:41 utc | 293 I don’t have the numbers. but it seems that shootings of one or three have been extended to a dozen. There’s nothing to be done about it, too many people “packin,” which is protected by the Constitution. Posted by: some_guy | May 16 2022 3:43 utc | 294 Look for some ‘news’ coming up about weapons: “Russians confirm they are hitting Ukrainian targets with banned cluster and phosphorus weapons” but the facts are that (1) United States and Russia have not signed Posted by: Don Bacon | May 16 2022 3:52 utc | 295 anyone following this guy closely?? Defense Politics Asia Posted by: james | May 16 2022 3:58 utc | 296 Posted by: james | May 16 2022 3:58 utc | 295 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 16 2022 4:09 utc | 297 Nazis are on the move and caused heavy casualties on Russians. However Russia can’t afford to lose the war. If push comes to shove a Hiroshima and Nagasaki must be done to Kiev and Lviv to force Ukraine to surrender and instill some sense in the west. Russia’s existence is under threat. Two tactical nukes can be used. It will also give real life clues on how it impacts and send a powerful message to Finland, Sweden and NATO that their aggressive expansion must stop. Posted by: Jason | May 16 2022 4:11 utc | 298 @ 296 richard… thanks.. i agree with your last line.. Posted by: james | May 16 2022 4:15 utc | 299 Posted by: julianmacfarlane | May 16 2022 1:43 utc | 276 Posted by: Circe | May 16 2022 4:15 utc | 300 |
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