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May 13, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-64
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The open thread for other stuff is here.
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Posted by: tucenz | May 14 2022 9:15 utc | 191Posted by: tucenz | May 14 2022 9:15 utc | 191 Posted by: Paul | May 14 2022 10:50 utc | 201 @Norwegian 194 Posted by: Gerrard White | May 14 2022 10:53 utc | 202 Paul @188 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 14 2022 11:07 utc | 203 >>>>: Stonebird | May 13 2022 18:36 utc | 19
Are you referring to the Mosin–Nagant? Just to point out DNR/LNR forces seem to use it as their sniping weapon of choice when fitted with an optical sight. Accurate to 800m+ with single shot/kill round and it’s simple, cheap and readily available. Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 14 2022 11:08 utc | 204 Unless it’s propaganda BS or military deception, no army would give such detailed information about future operations to a mere blogger, except perhaps the US Army fighting “brown people”. Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 14 2022 11:23 utc | 205 @Gerrard White | May 14 2022 10:53 utc | 196
Sure, but if anything it is what it implies that means something. If the war was going according to US liking, they would not make such a call.
Yes, I agree. Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2022 11:24 utc | 206 So trying to prove he’s some kind of CIA plant is absurd. Posted by: Objective Observer | May 14 2022 11:07 utc | 197 Posted by: Paul | May 14 2022 11:32 utc | 208 Paul @202 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 14 2022 11:42 utc | 209 Surely this is significant Posted by: Scorpion | May 14 2022 11:44 utc | 210 Posted by: Objective Observer | May 14 2022 11:07 utc | 197 Posted by: Paul | May 14 2022 11:51 utc | 211 This will bring AFU forces out in the open and away from Kharkhov. There they will be easy meat for the Allies. james | May 13 2022 22:39 utc | 88 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 14 2022 11:58 utc | 213 Mosin–Nagant? Posted by: Stonebird | May 14 2022 12:00 utc | 214 @Norwegian 200 Posted by: Gerrard White | May 14 2022 12:37 utc | 215 Posted by: karlof1 | May 13 2022 21:19 utc | 56 Posted by: Sushi | May 14 2022 12:39 utc | 216 In response to Richard Steven Hack@69,
Even that is up for debate. Although I’m sure the general area has seen some artillery action throughout the campaign, the published images show undamaged or lightly damaged vehicles right next to burnt out husks and wrecks. If the wrecks look the way they do due to artillery strikes, it’s reasonable to assume that every vehicle within a certain radius of a strike should look more or less the same. I wouldn’t call it conclusive, but it certainly seems off. Posted by: Skiffer | May 14 2022 12:51 utc | 217 @Gerrard White | May 14 2022 12:37 utc | 209
The Russians have long since declared the US “not agreement capable”. What anyone in the US says does not matter. All that matters is what the US does, and that “language” is very hostile. Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2022 12:52 utc | 218 Posted by: K | May 13 2022 23:05 utc | 98
In a video made prior to his SBU detention Lira reported having close contacts at the inner circle of the US Federal Reserve. Posted by: Sushi | May 14 2022 13:02 utc | 219 @Norwegian 212 Posted by: Gerrard White | May 14 2022 13:12 utc | 220 If you find something you don’t like, don’t read it. Must suck reading something to the end (musta been inerestin) then finding out it’s your favorite arch verboligest…..lol. Scroll people, scroll. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 14 2022 13:13 utc | 221
I’m assuming it was something like “SURRENDER DOROTHY” but without the skywriting, and tortuously spread over an hour or so. Posted by: malenkov | May 14 2022 13:20 utc | 222 Any author might be controlled opposition. What some here wish to call CIA. Martyanov could be. Bernhard could be. Many here continue to like Max Blumenthal who has markers all over him. RSH has markers all over him. Posted by: oldhippie | May 14 2022 13:31 utc | 223 @oldhipper #217 Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2022 13:40 utc | 224 Re: Sweden and Finland Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2022 13:42 utc | 225 hear that Poland wants another Versailles peace treaty regarding Russia Posted by: chris m | May 14 2022 13:47 utc | 226 A perfect storm is coming. The fighting in Ukraine might end up proving to be the least of it. Posted by: bevin | May 14 2022 13:59 utc | 227 @Scorpion #160 Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2022 14:00 utc | 228 @c1ue | May 14 2022 14:00 utc | 222
Please provide examples in support of this claim. Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2022 14:16 utc | 229 @bevin #221 Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2022 14:21 utc | 230 @Norwegian #223 Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2022 14:31 utc | 231
Damn, that’s suitable for framing. Posted by: malenkov | May 14 2022 14:39 utc | 232 His ongoing failure to do this has made him nothing more than a wannabe influencer in my view. [about Lira] Posted by: Scorpion | May 14 2022 14:40 utc | 233 We hear Francis’ “barking of NATO” comment offered, perhaps, an an apology to ameliorate Francis’s inexplicable “Putin’s altar boy” insult to Patriarch Kirill:
https://eurasia.ro/2022/05/14/pope-francis-nato-was-barking-at-russias-door-provoking-moscow-to-invade/
http://www.thebostonpilot.com/article.php?ID=192362 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 14 2022 14:47 utc | 234 “It is this enormous uncertainty which is as much a problem as anything else.” This article by Garrick Alder comprehensively de-bunks the Mariupol Theatre video produced by the Azov fascists and promoted by bellingcat. Posted by: bevin | May 14 2022 14:51 utc | 236 @c1ue | May 14 2022 14:31 utc | 225 Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2022 14:54 utc | 237 Posted by: Scorpion | May 14 2022 14:49 utc | 229
Tom Luongo latest supports the above assertion:
In a response to Robin’s claim of “western victory” a day or two ago I asserted that the West is at best headed for a phyrrhic victory: Posted by: Sushi | May 14 2022 15:00 utc | 238 >>>>: c1ue | May 14 2022 13:42 utc | 219
Pretty obvious. Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 14 2022 15:07 utc | 239 @Norwegian #231 Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2022 15:08 utc | 240 @ Peter AU1 | May 14 2022 11:58 utc | 207 Posted by: james | May 14 2022 15:11 utc | 241 Stonebird @ 208 Posted by: circumspect | May 14 2022 15:12 utc | 242 Concerning taxi driver sources, I suppose some people think when someone says they “keep their ear to the ground” that they literally place their head in the dirt and listen for clues. To say “I heard it from a taxi driver” is just literary license to obscure a source (or multiple sources) while implying that the source might not be perfectly reliable. The author could have said he heard it from a hotel bellboy, or a newsstand proprietor, or a barber, but the taxi driver source is a better known trope that people should more readily recognize. Posted by: William Gruff | May 14 2022 15:14 utc | 243 A Ukr attack into Russia w/ 15k troops begs the question of why and what effect it would have. For the Russians this would allow them to throw the regular Army, w/ conscripts, into that particular front. Perhaps that is what the Deep State seeks. For Russia, that is not necessarily a bad thing, they get to try out at least some conscripts and see how they fight. Properly backed up and supported by experienced, professional troops it could come out quite well for Russia. Posted by: Simplicius | May 14 2022 15:16 utc | 244 taxi drivers are no different then anyone else… they come in all varieties… as a musician, i drove taxi for a few years…. it is like asking a random person.. you might get an insight or you might not…. it is irrelevant whether they are a taxi driver or not… same deal with william gruffs response, lol…. i can’t believe how much ink was spilled on this! Posted by: james | May 14 2022 15:17 utc | 245 How many members of the Davos crowd are adherents to Talmudic Zionism? It seems to me that the “ Great Reset” is a rehash of the same principles (we own everything, you own nothing) as can be found in that hideous anti human screed. The US nation and the EU will never recover unless Zionism is ripped out root and branch from society. Posted by: Obamavirus | May 14 2022 15:18 utc | 246 Posted by: karlof1 | May 13 2022 21:30 utc | 61
Sad state of affairs. I had thought the Pope might actually walk the talk… Wasn’t Hitler a Catholic? Posted by: Seer | May 14 2022 15:26 utc | 247 Scorpion @ 229 Posted by: circumspect | May 14 2022 15:28 utc | 248 @Scorpion #229 Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2022 15:28 utc | 249 @Ghost Ship #233 Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2022 15:34 utc | 250 @circumspect #242 Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2022 15:49 utc | 251 in re: Austin call Posted by: sln2002 | May 14 2022 15:50 utc | 252 in re: Lira’s Ivy League education which offers myriad benefits Posted by: sln2002 | May 14 2022 15:58 utc | 253 There are other good articles on Doomberg:
The implication of this “significant number” is that it will create a global inflationary shock. Posted by: Sushi | May 14 2022 16:01 utc | 254 Even if NOpEC never becomes law, the effect of it being seriously discussed in Congress is enough to (quietly) accelerate De-Dollarization. Posted by: Exile | May 14 2022 16:02 utc | 255 I appreciate everyone who contributes information on this site. Thank you. Posted by: wagelaborer | May 14 2022 16:03 utc | 256 This is in response to Bevin @221, c1ue at 224 and Scorpion @229. Posted by: Chas | May 14 2022 16:04 utc | 257 Re WWIII…
People that I’ve mentioned this to question why China would subject its own citizens to such horrors. It’s a gamble. Buy some time hoping that the US will collapse before it attempts to wage all out military war against China. Easier to recover from lockdown trauma than to recover from death. Posted by: Seer | May 14 2022 16:07 utc | 258 I heard some rumour about a Russian missile taking out a hotel in Odessa full of Nato volunteers and trainers? Posted by: Manage without me | May 14 2022 16:10 utc | 259 @ Chas | May 14 2022 16:04 utc | 251 Posted by: james | May 14 2022 16:11 utc | 260 @Chas, @251 Posted by: Manage without me | May 14 2022 16:12 utc | 261 @ Manage without me | May 14 2022 16:10 utc | 253 Posted by: james | May 14 2022 16:13 utc | 262 @c1ue | May 14 2022 15:08 utc | 234
In the category of unsubstantiated suspicions, I can contribute my own: To me it looks like a concerted attempt to discredit Gonzalo Lira, perhaps because some would like a different narrative that his or because of envy in his successful communication and analysis of the events in Ukraine and overall, for example 2022.05.01 James Vasquez Is A Liar and A Fake. I am saying this because it has been going on for some time in these threads and I find it not trustworthy since there are just loose, peripheral accusations that could be used against anyone.
I like Mercouris, I listen to him almost every day, not mainly because of his facts but because of his analyses. Obviously, he has zero personal experience from the war in Ukraine, he reports from his library in North London and relies 100% on external sources and adds his analysis in a fairly objective manner. It can be long winded, but all in all very informative. Lira comments on the events directly from Kharkov mixing personal experience with information available to us all, presenting his analyses in his own accessible and thought provoking style, also very informative and useful.
So you are saying it is ok for Ritter to not reference any sources because of “intel practice”. Right. I sometimes listen to Ritter and find some of it useful, but to me he seems very US biased.
I think the smearing of Lira is constructed from nothing. Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2022 16:14 utc | 263 Speech by the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation Sergey Lavrov at the XXX Assembly of the Council on Foreign and Defense Policy, Moscow, May 14, 2022 Posted by: Paco | May 14 2022 16:17 utc | 264 Posted by: Sushi | May 14 2022 16:01 utc | 248 Posted by: Seer | May 14 2022 16:21 utc | 265 What was it the Chinese diplomat said, I think it was this, help us beat your friend (Russia) so that later we can beat you (China). When replying to Nato who asked China not give any help whatsoever to Russia. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 14 2022 16:27 utc | 267 Waste of Shoigu’s time in any case. Posted by: Doug Hillman | May 14 2022 16:27 utc | 268 @Chas #251 Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2022 16:36 utc | 269 re: Turkey against Sweden & Finland in NATO Posted by: Don Bacon | May 14 2022 16:39 utc | 270 @Norwegian #257 Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2022 16:40 utc | 271 sln2002 246 Posted by: Gerrard White | May 14 2022 16:41 utc | 272 @ c1ue 263… this is due the ”go big or go home” mantra… now we have corporations running the agriculture industry, as opposed to a number of small farms contributing to the food people get.. they are probably leveraged with the expensive technology and large land areas and working for the same corporations that are basically screwing them.. we’ve gone from a people who lived on the land and were all farmers of some sort or another, to a culture that moved into cities, dropped these ways of the past and are now happy to be screwed over by corporations… are those folks on farms in nebraska and iowa are on large tracks of land dependent on machinary, technology, large bank loans and etc. etc. ? i know i am generalizing here, but the idea of a mom and pop small farm has mostly gone the way of the dodo bird and it needs to come back as i see it.. i guess this is a conversation for an open thread.. i thank @ chas 251 for bringing it up.. an important conversation needs to be had.. Posted by: james | May 14 2022 16:43 utc | 273 I think the discussion about Azovstahl (forgot where) and the supposed repeat in the Odessa Catacombs was interesting, obviously from the perspective of the current war but also from a broader perspective.
That’s curious, especially considering the nearby huge Eski Kermen ancient cave settlement right next to Sevastopol, Crimea. Maybe the Catacombs of Odessa are modern, but given the huge size it begs the question how old they are. Something to study! Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2022 16:46 utc | 274 Next problem that is of US making. Posted by: Stonebird | May 14 2022 16:46 utc | 275 Posted by: Seer | May 14 2022 16:21 utc | 259 Posted by: Sushi | May 14 2022 16:47 utc | 276 turkey offers to help ukraine with evacuation of the azovstal steel plant.. no one but soldiers are left according to russia and ukraine… Posted by: james | May 14 2022 17:08 utc | 277 I think it is just arrogance and incompetence at work [not malice]- and this type of thing happens everywhere. Posted by: Doug Hillman | May 14 2022 17:12 utc | 278 c1ue @ 245 Posted by: circumspect | May 14 2022 17:20 utc | 279 According to Erdogan this is the problem with Finland and Sweden when it comes to joining Nato. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 14 2022 17:22 utc | 280 Posted by: Gerrard White | May 14 2022 16:41 utc | 266 Posted by: sln2002 | May 14 2022 17:29 utc | 281 Posted by: Sushi | May 14 2022 16:47 utc | 269 Posted by: Seer | May 14 2022 17:35 utc | 282 In the movie “The Hunger Games” from the Treaty of the Treason, it is stated that the games are designed as a “penance for the insurrection ” and as a way for the victors of the society to “ remember our past and to safeguard our future”. This sounds like the sneering “our democracy” quip constantly and deliberately emphasized by the members of the democrat party. This reset plan by Davos sounds like they have launched the first tranche in their own Hunger Games. The democrat party is insane and a threat to the nation. Posted by: Obamavirus | May 14 2022 17:37 utc | 283 Obamavirus | May 14 2022 17:37 utc | 283 Posted by: Doug Hillman | May 14 2022 17:52 utc | 284 in re: Austin call Posted by: anon2020 | May 14 2022 18:24 utc | 285 @ Rae | May 14 2022 2:47 utc | 156 Posted by: Boomhauer | May 14 2022 18:44 utc | 286 @sln202 281 Posted by: Gerrard White | May 14 2022 19:01 utc | 287 Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2022 15:28 utc | 243 SEER 282 Posted by: CarlD | May 14 2022 19:32 utc | 289 One example among many: a candidate who did not campaign beat an incumbent with about 12 million more votes than first time; no presentation of evidence or therefore discovery permitted in any Court to challenge results. Then the Biden guy gets in even though his entire family is on the take from Ukies and Chinese and this is all by incompetence not by intent? Hmmmm Posted by: pretzelattack | May 14 2022 19:33 utc | 290 @james #273 Posted by: c1ue | May 14 2022 19:39 utc | 291 c1ue @291 Posted by: Chas | May 14 2022 20:42 utc | 292 A follow on to CarlD | May 14 2022 19:32 utc | 289; Seer | May 14 2022 17:35 utc | 282; c1ue | May 14 2022 15:28 utc | 249 Posted by: Sushi | May 14 2022 21:01 utc | 293 Chas@257 Posted by: bevin | May 14 2022 22:16 utc | 294 Very weird things happened to that post. Posted by: bevin | May 14 2022 22:28 utc | 295 @several Posted by: K | May 14 2022 22:52 utc | 296 @ c1ue | May 14 2022 19:39 utc | 291 Posted by: james | May 14 2022 22:57 utc | 297 The AOL front page leads off today with this article …. https://www.aol.com/news/russia-media-propaganda-turns-spine-083013020.html Posted by: Chas | May 14 2022 16:04 utc | 251 Posted by: migueljose | May 14 2022 23:46 utc | 299 RSH… Posted by: ted001 | May 15 2022 0:34 utc | 300 |
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