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May 13, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-64
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The open thread for other stuff is here.
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I regard Doctorow as an unreliable source. Prior to the war, he was babbling a ton of bullshit over at Antiwar.com which I had to call him on it repeatedly. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 13 2022 23:05 utc | 101 Ryber prediction of a Ukrainian offensive in the Kharkiv region… Note the use of those US 155mm howitzers. As an aside, I saw a report of one of those already captured by the LDR.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 13 2022 23:07 utc | 102 From: Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 13 2022 23:13 utc | 103 Posted by: K | May 13 2022 23:05 utc | 98 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 13 2022 23:14 utc | 104 92, 93 Posted by: CarlD | May 13 2022 23:19 utc | 105 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 13 2022 23:13 utc | 101 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 13 2022 23:19 utc | 106 @58 “man on the street” interview was invented by folklorist Alan Lomax, the day after Pearl Harbor, December 8, 1942, a couple of weeks before Nisker was born, not to diminish anyone else’s accomplishments. Lomax’s interviews can be heard at the library of Congress website. Posted by: Harold | May 13 2022 23:24 utc | 107 Posted by: CarlD | May 13 2022 23:19 utc | 103 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 13 2022 23:25 utc | 108 Pepe Escobar’s latest is now up on The Saker… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 13 2022 23:26 utc | 109 Report from https://t.me/milinfolive on the conditions of the Territorial forces…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 13 2022 23:33 utc | 110 I regard any opinion of Richard S. Hack, as a “Hack” of the truth. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 13 2022 23:39 utc | 111 @Aleph_null (52) Posted by: hk | May 13 2022 23:39 utc | 112 @ line islands | May 13 2022 22:34 utc | 85 Re: Posted by: MarkU | May 13 2022 23:49 utc | 113 “The Patriarch cannot transform himself into Putin’s altar boy.” — Pope Francis Posted by: Doug Hillman | May 14 2022 0:03 utc | 114 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 13 2022 23:07 utc | 100 Posted by: juliania | May 14 2022 0:05 utc | 115 @ hk | May 13 2022 23:39 utc | 109 Posted by: MarkU | May 14 2022 0:09 utc | 116 Latest Russian MoD briefing… Relatively slow day…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 0:09 utc | 117 Petri Krohn #32 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 14 2022 0:10 utc | 118 Posted by: hk | May 13 2022 23:39 utc | 109 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 0:12 utc | 119
I did watch it when you linked it the first time in response to my comment on Putin’s May 9th speech. Posted by: Circe | May 14 2022 0:16 utc | 120 A very interesting map of Russian cellphone subscribers around Ukraine: Come on, it’s just a light article, the guy probably had nothing better to write, or tired. Posted by: Arganthonios | May 14 2022 0:19 utc | 122 They are vaguely different forms of bullshit but that is about all. So what was your point? Posted by: sln2002 | May 14 2022 0:24 utc | 123 The world seems to have reached an impasse, and is waiting for something “telling” to happen. Can’t help but wonder; Does Russia really understand the importance of this ongoing pushback against uni-polar dominance? Or, are those of us hoping for a shift to a multi-polar globe, just being unrealistic? As I’ve said before, the world’s bully needs a “black-eye” to be administered. It remains to be seen, how that will happen. And, if that happening affects me adversely, so be it. Posted by: vetinLA | May 14 2022 0:25 utc | 124 Posted by: MarkU | May 14 2022 0:09 utc | 113 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 0:25 utc | 125 Posted by: Arganthonios | May 14 2022 0:19 utc | 119 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 0:26 utc | 126 People die in wars. That’s why we shouldn’t have them. They die on both sides. The US does a good job of hiding that its forces suffer serious setbacks and die on the battlefield. Lots of things went wrong for the US in Iraq 2003, against a competent force but certainly inferior to Ukraine (especially with unlimited western assistance). It was hardly the rousing success it was portrayed at the time or in memory. They cut off press access at one point because there were too many dead American boys. People wondered if the British could ever take Basra. Kurds turned out to be unreliable allies in the north. Posted by: Lex | May 14 2022 0:26 utc | 127 just a light article Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 14 2022 0:32 utc | 128 @RSH (116) Posted by: hk | May 14 2022 0:34 utc | 129 This all reminds me of the permanent state of war in 1984 where no state wishes to win, with the only purpose of the ‘war’ is to justify extraordinary powers over the people. Posted by: Daniel | May 14 2022 0:35 utc | 130 Russia must turn Odesa into next Mariupol as soon as possible. That’s the best way to neutralize Ukraine. With Snake Island firmly in Russian hands destruction of Nazis in Odesa will seal Ukraine’s fate. Posted by: Jason | May 14 2022 0:37 utc | 131 Posted by: Circe | May 14 2022 0:16 utc | 117 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 0:41 utc | 132 a flexible plan based on phase lines not timelines. The second phase … Posted by: sln2002 | May 14 2022 0:46 utc | 133 Posted by: hk | May 14 2022 0:34 utc | 126 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 0:50 utc | 134 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 13 2022 19:04 utc | 28 Posted by: darrren price | May 14 2022 0:55 utc | 135 @ 16 dejan video conclusion – shit happens… ukraine is still losing, no matter how you interpret the data off the pontoon crossing affair… Posted by: james | May 14 2022 0:57 utc | 136 “So, an increasingly Totalitarian West led by the Outlaw US Empire is overtly allied with its Terrorist Foreign Legion, by arming it and providing media and political support. I’d be very surprised if the Russian Security Council hasn’t come to a similar conclusion. Posted by: Doug Hillman | May 14 2022 1:04 utc | 137 Helmer’s site has an interesting article, translated from a Russian newspaper (for those who don’t think that newspaper reading is demeaning) on the current state of the grain market. It has several useful maps too. Posted by: bevin | May 14 2022 1:08 utc | 138 “Personally I go with the Russian polls that show the bulk of the Russian people are behind Putin. I also go with what Mercouris says about Russian media channels supporting the operation and further, that even people he knows in Russia who are pro-Western are lining up behind the operation.” Posted by: bevin | May 14 2022 1:25 utc | 139 c1ue #97
Thank you. On the photographs and videos at various sites: I was surprised at the widespread craters in the stubble fields as if the place had been shelled randomly and consistently for weeks. Perhaps the Ukies were deterring spring planting of wheat etc. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 14 2022 1:26 utc | 140 Martyanov today on “trolls”, “concern trolls”, and Telegram channels… Well, some people may be “butthurt” (to use his favorite phrase) about this, but as he also always says “it is what it is.” YMMV.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 1:35 utc | 141 @ Posted by: Dale | May 13 2022 17:45 utc | 2 Posted by: jared | May 14 2022 1:35 utc | 142 Posted by: bevin | May 14 2022 1:25 utc | 136 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 1:37 utc | 143 hk #109
Agreed. Taxi drivers sit in their cabin tuned in to msm or shock jocks mostly. I know of only one who plays his fave discs and ignores the msm. They are pounded and washed by msm lies for most of their shift. Occasionally they might find an interesting client – occasionally the client might be outspoken, then they return to their corrective msm…. Not a good source and not really worth the time. Doctorow pumped out an old space filler – ‘I bumped into a taxi driver’. Not worth it imo. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 14 2022 1:38 utc | 144 Posted by: jared | May 14 2022 1:35 utc | 139 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 1:46 utc | 145 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 13 2022 21:53 utc | 70 Posted by: juliania | May 14 2022 1:49 utc | 146 sln2002 #130
Thinking of Flint Michigan and the entire abandonment from local right through to the EPA and O’bummers appointee. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 14 2022 1:50 utc | 147 RSH various Posted by: CarlD | May 14 2022 1:52 utc | 148 Anyways — I simply don’t share your aversion to unreliable rumors rising from men or women “on the street”. Wouldn’t you like to know whether other Russians, besides the driver who happened to pick up Doctorow, share such sentiments? Posted by: Activist Potato | May 14 2022 2:06 utc | 149 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 1:35 utc | 138 Posted by: Scorpion | May 14 2022 2:06 utc | 150 juliania @143 and previous posts about Pope Francis Posted by: fanto | May 14 2022 2:10 utc | 151 Why would people give more weight to a Pope’s remarks, before anyone else’s? Seriously, do most people believe these clowns are more in tune with God ( or whatever), than they are? Could humanity please grow up? Posted by: vetinLA | May 14 2022 2:27 utc | 152 Dr. George W Oprisko #101 INDY Thank you for that link to a good site. There is much to explore in there and I look forward to that as a daily goto. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 14 2022 2:42 utc | 153 Scorpion #147 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 14 2022 2:44 utc | 154 “Why would people give more weight to a Pope’s remarks, before anyone else’s?” Posted by: blues | May 14 2022 2:45 utc | 155 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz4IkzM217U Posted by: Rae | May 14 2022 2:47 utc | 156 @129 RSH
I wrote a comment weeks ago that never posted, not sure why, wherein I tore into the proposed idea of getting the Pope to visit Ukraine. I felt if he accepted the invite, it would be incongruent with his supposed role as peacemaker to remove all ambiguity and display affinity with one side, allowing himself to be used as a pawn for U.S. hegemony and NATO expansion.
Please don’t refer to him as the house boy. I know he’s a MIC/NATO tool, but he deserves a modicum of respect; we’re better than that.
LOL! You’re reverse zinger is priceless. However, the Pope is proving he’s diplomatically clumsy and not infallible, so let’s give him another chance to get it right. Posted by: Circe | May 14 2022 2:48 utc | 157 There’s absolutely zero comparison. I dismiss the taxi driver for the same reason I dismiss Lira when it comes to actual alleged incidents. Lira talks about things in evidence – except when he doesn’t – whereas this second-hand bullshit from Doctorow is without evidence entirely. Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 14 2022 2:52 utc | 158 I’m exhausted correction @154: Your reverse zinger… Posted by: Circe | May 14 2022 2:56 utc | 159 If, in fact, the Pope’s quote was right,(‘NATO is barking at Russia’s door.”) he got it straight. Posted by: vetinLA | May 14 2022 3:05 utc | 160 Posted by: Scorpion | May 14 2022 2:06 utc | 147 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 3:15 utc | 161 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 13 2022 23:14 utc | 102 Posted by: Scorpion | May 14 2022 3:23 utc | 162 Soon come internationally fungible central bank issues digital currencies which will require digital ID’s. Posted by: Scorpion | May 14 2022 3:26 utc | 163 Entire previous post missed. Was about Lira. Oh well. Suffice to say he raises many questions about why and how he is there. Posted by: Scorpion | May 14 2022 3:30 utc | 164 Re Lira PS: Posted by: Scorpion | May 14 2022 3:34 utc | 165 Posted by: Scorpion | May 14 2022 3:30 utc | 160 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 4:24 utc | 166 If the MSM runs it (and they do) then it is unlikely to be true as presented. Posted by: Sunny Runny Burger | May 14 2022 4:43 utc | 167 THE ART OF DISINFORMATION–WESTERN LIES ABOUT THE WAR IN UKRAINE Posted by: james | May 14 2022 4:49 utc | 168 Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 14 2022 2:52 utc | 155 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 4:50 utc | 169 Sunny Runny Burger | May 14 2022 4:43 utc | 163 – quote Posted by: james | May 14 2022 4:51 utc | 170 It was deeply offensive. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 14 2022 4:55 utc | 171 Posted by: Circe | May 14 2022 2:48 utc | 154 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 4:58 utc | 172 Just watched the Defense Politics Asia video someone recommended earlier. He pointed out the same thing I did – 73 armored vehicles is not important in the overall picture. The Russians have destroyed over 3,000 Ukrainian vehicles, and Ukraine claims to have destroyed over 2,000 Russian vehicles (which I do not believe for a second.) 73 is a drop in the bucket. And as he pointed out, in the photos and video it looks like a lot of the vehicles there are either still operational or repairable. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 5:09 utc | 173 => Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 4:58 utc | 168 Posted by: blues | May 14 2022 5:10 utc | 174 @165 Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 4:50 utc – “blew your credibility…” Posted by: Grieved | May 14 2022 5:24 utc | 175 Posted by: Grieved | May 14 2022 5:24 utc | 171 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 5:40 utc | 176 Biden slips again… From Sputnik News Telegram channel…
From the official transcript, the White House entered the “Vice”. I entered the “sic”. 🙂 And this is after he said “Vice President” several times earlier. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 5:48 utc | 177 Does this look like a war where Russia is trying? It looks like they are holding a lot back. Posted by: ERing46Z | May 14 2022 5:59 utc | 178 it’s hard to offer forgiveness, tolerance and patience to those won’t don’t appear to offer the same! thanks for your comment @ 171 grieved.. none of this comes easy to anyone… we’d all benefit from following what you say… easier said then done! Posted by: james | May 14 2022 6:03 utc | 179 Lloyd Austin has urged his Russian counterpart, Sergei Shoigu, for an immediate ceasefire in Ukraine Posted by: circumspect | May 14 2022 6:13 utc | 180 What will be saved in western Ukraine will be unable to grow enough to feed its own people. They will be forced to import US wheat, as well as US guns and the money to pay for both…” Posted by: ERing46Z | May 14 2022 6:14 utc | 181 @99 Oprisko Posted by: Clover | May 14 2022 6:16 utc | 182 @ Grieved | May 14 2022 5:24 utc | 171 with their two cents about life at the MoA bar to share with RSH Posted by: psychohistorian | May 14 2022 6:16 utc | 183 m777a guns in ukraine have had the electronic targeting systems removed. pretty much making them ordinary artillery . sensitive enough to not want RF getting a peak at. can easily verify its the big black box with a screen on the top of the gun in usa stock photos Posted by: hankster | May 14 2022 6:21 utc | 184 To Richard Steven Hack: You are very good and I urge you to keep up dealing with trolls. The Western propaganda is overwhelming and some people cannot believe that they are being lied to everyday. They simply can’t see the big picture, and brought up in a culture where hollowood reigns supreme or America got talent etc.. This tweet claims that the concentration and location of Russian troops can be deduced from SIM roaming data. I always thought that mobile phones were not allowed in the SMO. Posted by: TomD | May 14 2022 6:29 utc | 186 SIM roaming data…? Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 14 2022 6:35 utc | 187 Posted by: Clover | May 14 2022 6:16 utc | 177 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 6:36 utc | 188 Scott Ritter on International Legion hijinks:
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/05/13/scott-ritter-live-action-role-play-in-ukraine/ Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 14 2022 6:56 utc | 189 A few weeks ago a barfly suggested that if he wishes to contribute such a large number of posts… Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 14 2022 7:20 utc | 190 To what degree the Americans can increasing their dosage of involvement without being seen as a direct involvement that will lead to a big war? Posted by: Man | May 14 2022 7:34 utc | 191 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 14 2022 7:20 utc | 185 ” Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 14 2022 7:51 utc | 192 Posted by: Grieved | May 14 2022 5:24 utc | 171 Posted by: Paul | May 14 2022 8:06 utc | 193 Please comment Posted by: Gerrard White | May 14 2022 8:52 utc | 194 Posted by: Gerrard White | May 14 2022 8:52 utc | 189 Posted by: Paul | May 14 2022 9:00 utc | 195 re: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 13 2022 23:13 utc | 101 Posted by: tucenz | May 14 2022 9:15 utc | 196 re: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 13 2022 23:13 utc | 101 Posted by: tucenz | May 14 2022 9:15 utc | 197
Posted by: Dr. George W Oprisko | May 14 2022 9:17 utc | 198 @Gerrard White | May 14 2022 8:52 utc | 189 Posted by: Norwegian | May 14 2022 9:50 utc | 199 Richard, you keep putting the “hack” in your name when you continue to groundlessly insist Russia intends to go to the Polish border. Again, pull it back, you’re not a soothsayer, you’re not reading tea leaves; you’re guessing GROUNDLESSLY. We know they intend to wrap up the Donbass, after that Kiev sits there like a plum, Odessa another. We don’t know if Russia will take them, we don’t know if they will. We don’t know what negotiations/surrender will be entrusted to deliver. Guessing about future events we have no data about is nothing but rank speculation. You should try to refrain from that, it’s not good for your credibility Posted by: jethro | May 14 2022 10:03 utc | 200 |
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