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May 10, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-63

(The post for today didn't work out. I had to trash it. You will have to talk to each other instead.)

Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …

The open thread for other stuff is here.

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@ 148
I guess Im still naive.
I thought the well off boomers were still ideological.
Thank you for the kicks in the ass.
I know I shouldn’t expect much from my elders, but I’m still surprised
Posted by: Cadence Calls | May 11 2022 1:21 utc | 174
There are plenty of poor working class “boomers” (I’m not fond of how this has become a pejorative term) who still have principles, ideology is not everything, and the 60’s and 70’s were not entirely insincere just lacking in actual knowledge about the forces behind the scenes. Some people think the CIA were behind the whole hippie movement, but that’s just more American Exceptionalism, not doubt they had a role locally, but this was a worldwide movement.
The Vietnam protests are still I believe the largest in history, little did we know that no matter how many of us said no the PTB were never going to listen. The fault of our generation is that we didn’t have the base of solidarity (it having been wiped out decades before) to protest the political establishment behind the war. We were naive and that’s pretty natural for teenagers.

Posted by: K | May 11 2022 3:02 utc | 201

@ K & dh – I didn’t know that either! Say it in broken English. ; )

Posted by: lex talionis | May 11 2022 3:10 utc | 202

On Russian gas transit through Ukraine: https://sonar21.com/ukraine-cuts-off-gas-to-europe-and-the-inflation-double-whammy/
Not to worry for Germany as there is always NS2 if they are in real need. They might have to silence Ursula bin Lying though.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 11 2022 3:30 utc | 203

Whoa! This gas restriction business is beyond strange. Does Zelensky, or whoever is really in charge there, think he can force more concessions out of NATO by doing this?
Strange times indeed. Glad I stumbled into MoA. Great stuff here.

Posted by: Citizenfitz | May 11 2022 3:37 utc | 204

A most interesting conundrum.
DW recently granted a prize to two intrepid Ukrainian born AP journalists.
The catch 22 was the front cover of the DW award video. Was actually derived from another video clip not shown. In this video M. Chernov in another building across town in Mariupol. Was pointing in the direction of an explosion. He stated “Ah that’s the “maternity hospital”. Which was obscured by many other buildings and hidden from public view.
Now the interview with principle witness . She clearly stated there were no planes and two distinctive explosions.
I smelt a rat on day one. The bomb crater was far too small. Then the big question? This is a maternity hospital. Why is an alleged army medic treating the wounded ? Where are all the doctors and nurses ?
Some days , to assign credibility to information. A quick background check on the reporters is also required.
Conclusion, yet another failed 2% country 404 propaganda trash out put.
Back in 2016/17 , I caught “DW’ telling quite a few propaganda furphies about Venezuela……….:

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 11 2022 3:41 utc | 205

K | May 11 2022 3:02 utc | 199
In the US, a stockman was called a cowboy – in Australia a ringer. In the US cattle drives there was something called a stampede. In Australia it was called rushing. Waste of time trying to block a stampeding/rushing mob. They have to be turned until they are ringing in a circle and then quietened down. They can then be walked the rest of the way to the slaughterhouse.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 11 2022 3:42 utc | 206

@ K & dh – I didn’t know that either! Say it in broken English. ; )
Posted by: lex talionis | May 11 2022 3:10 utc | 200
Gotta say though her voice was rough and raw she sure sang a great rock ballad.
My favourite though sad: The Ballad of Lucy Jordan
Also just read that her father was a British spy in WW2 supposedly a lefty and anti Nazi

Posted by: K | May 11 2022 3:42 utc | 207

CharlesLutherThanos #162

Posted by: karlof1 | May 11 2022 0:39 utc | 158
“I know I’ll discover another aspect of the Outlaw US Empire’s history that’s darker than this because that’s the way its progressed during my decades of research. Yes, I had inklings but pursued other avenues only to discover they all merge into the same traffic circle.”
I’ve had the same experience. As I like to tell people, “you have no idea how corrupt the US government is.” It’s almost to the point where the idea of “lizard aliens” being behind it all isn’t that implausible. 🙂

Not just any lizard – see Komodo Island for the lizard in mind.
On USA corruption – I guess it is the essence of european corruption triple distilled and cellared in old gunpowder barrels for a century or two. It started with the vast accumulation of wealth in Venice that in the 1600’s Managed its risk by franchising to London, Amsterdam and Madrid. It has gotten stronger and more vile as the decades roll on.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 11 2022 3:46 utc | 208

What hit this tank?
https://nitter.net/IAPonomarenko/status/1523965115686662146“>https://nitter.net/IAPonomarenko/status/1523965115686662146″>https://nitter.net/IAPonomarenko/status/1523965115686662146
My guess is some kind of artillery.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 11 2022 4:03 utc | 209

K @ 182, Lex Talionis @ 200:
Just looked up the information on Leopold von Sacher-Masoch and Marianne Faithfull on Google: Faithfull’s mother Eva von Sacher-Masoch was the grand-niece of Leopold von Sacher-Masoch. So the writer and the singer are distantly related, the common ancestor being the writer’s father who was also the singer’s great-great-grandfather. .

Posted by: Jen | May 11 2022 4:15 utc | 210

When I was a wee lad, I watched monster movie where a pair of monster was slugging out, trampling an enormous city, typically Tokyo, but one of them was a good guy (I am too old to remember why, denizens of Tokyo could rejoice being stomped, together with their entire building, by the good monster, or lament being stomped by a bad monster, so do not move there).
Now another clash of monster is looming, if press is to be believed (a BIG if), for real. Orban vs Oilban. The entire Pannonian plain, plus surrounding Carpathians (Slovakia), Alps (Austria) etc. will lie in ruins, hopefully by Oilban — the good monster. How is it a good monster? Principles are at stake! Which principles? Most importantly ones!
From Politico, author unimportant because he (a Croatian, I guess) repeats the points long in circulation (originality makes you bad these days):

Of course, this is not the first time Hungary finds itself at odds with the rest of the EU. From the rule of law through to gay rights, asylum policy and relations with China, Orbán has made a habit of defying the European consensus, earning applause from the likes of American Fox News host Tucker Carlson.
This time is different.
For starters, there’s the magnitude of the problem. Russia’s war against Ukraine is not just another divisive issue. It upsets the most fundamental tenet of Europe’s political order: that national borders cannot be changed by force and that no matter their size, nations do not hold veto power over the foreign policy choices of their neighbors.

What makes principles most important is that they are more important than others. So democracy, gay rights, asylum policy, and even relations with China (a principle?) go to the back of the room. To the front: unchangeability of national borders (like annexation of Western Sahara or creation of Northern Cyprus and Kosovo), and nations trying to hold veto power over the policy choices of their neighbors.
Unlike European Commission, not a nation, trying to veto a foreign policy choice of Hungary, not its neighbor. Note also that Australia, a nation I guess, is fuming over a policy choice of Solomon Islands, but the principle does not apply, (a) not in Europe (b) they are not neighbors. Kosovo is in Europe, so the most salient point here is that its separation from Serbia was not impose by neighboring Albania or Bulgaria but by more distant countries. In short, logic is ironclad.
But what about democracy, gay rights and asylum policies, all disliked by the power holders in Poland? When they became unimportant (looking into the back of the room, they look pretty sad…). Well, they ARE important, just not as important as Ukraine being subjected to dictats of a neighbor rather than European Commission.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 11 2022 4:15 utc | 211

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 11 2022 3:46 utc | 206 “Not just any lizard – see Komodo Island for the lizard in mind.”
Just a few words paint a picture. I suspect the wannabe dragon has bitten off more than it can chew. Larry Johnson done a piece not long back and the words ‘reach out and touch someone’ was mentioned. It was clarified in the comments when Johnson said – yes, Russia will reach out and touch those in the cia and elsewhere responsible for Russian deaths.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 11 2022 4:16 utc | 212

@ uncle tungsten | May 11 2022 3:46 utc | 206 who makes USA corruption sound like an aged and valued single malt….grin
You nailed it!

On USA corruption – I guess it is the essence of european corruption triple distilled and cellared in old gunpowder barrels for a century or two. It started with the vast accumulation of wealth in Venice that in the 1600’s Managed its risk by franchising to London, Amsterdam and Madrid. It has gotten stronger and more vile as the decades roll on.

On another note more related to Ukraine.
I exchange jokes online regularly with a retired union fork lift truck driver I taught to talk to computers as part of a computerized inventory management system back in the 80’s…and he is in his 80’s now but still online…anyway, today he forwards me an email that has a video of Stinger and Javelin weapons taking out Russian military and showing that Ukraine is winning…..sigh

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 11 2022 4:25 utc | 213

. . .from Kyiv Post:
Economist Timothy Ash: Time on Ukraine’s side in war, Russian economy squeezed
…but the IMF predicts the Russian economy will shrink by 8.5% this year, and Ukraine’s will fall by a whopping 35%.
. . .and the World Bank says Ukraine economy to contract by 45% in 2022
Emerging economies in Europe and Central Asia are also being affected. The war is adding to concerns of a sharp global slowdown and surging inflation. Critical export routes via Ukraine’s Black Sea ports in Mariupol and Odessa have been cut off. Mariupol has been razed by Russian bombardment and Odessa is effectively under blockade by Russian naval forces. Before the war, these routes acounted for half of Ukraine’s total external trade and 90% of the grain trade. Ukraine is a major exporter of wheat, a mainstay of the economy, but the government has banned the export of grains and other staples as it seeks to ensure food security for more than 6.5 million people who are displaced within the country.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 11 2022 4:26 utc | 214

Orban vs Oilban.
Western politics has generally out satized satire. Still some good phrases crop up though.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 11 2022 4:28 utc | 215

Peter AU1 | May 11 2022 4:28 utc | 213
Thinking on it a bit more – cancel culture and its forebear PC have canceled satire. A mob of automatons walking studiously to the slaughterhouse is all that’s left.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 11 2022 4:35 utc | 216

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 11 2022 4:15 utc | 209
Ah, Godzilla vs King Kong…and Godzilla vs Mothra…And Godzilla vs Ghidrah…and…and… How many of those were made I couldn’t tell you, but it was a lot. I also wondered why anyone celebrated being the grass under two elephants fighting. Now it’s Russia vs the US, not just Orban vs the EU. That’s just the warmup act, as is Ukraine itself.

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 11 2022 4:39 utc | 217

psychohistorian | May 11 2022 4:25 utc | 211
A good friend of mine – he was born in Australia, his parents came out from Italy in the years after WWII, his uncle was in Mussolini’s brown shirts, he would be too if he lived in those times I suspect – for whatever reason he developed a respect for me when we were young and that friendship still holds.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 11 2022 4:51 utc | 218

IMO, the decision to reduce the flow was made in Washington, so it must be aimed at Germany and Northern Europe. The attempt by EU to impose an EU-wide embargo on Russian oil imports failed, so this move might be tied to that failure to further destabilize Europe.
Posted by: karlof1 | May 10 2022 18:33 utc | 26

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Bingo! I’m surprised so many are puzzled by “Ukraine’s” motives, forgetting anew who really runs the place. Zelensky needs a hall pass to visit the boys’ room.
In addition to destabilizing Europe, there’s also blaming Russia for “weaponizing” oil and gas, just more demonization. Easy to refute, but so was Bucha; didn’t matter for a credulous populace. (As learned from Obama, you can fool most of the people most of the time. That con artist could hustle the gold out of people’s teeth and they’d thank him for it.)

Posted by: Doug Hillman | May 11 2022 4:52 utc | 219

S @190–
Thanks for your replies. IMO, his first books @1900 were more accurate than those produced later which were more politicized.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 11 2022 5:20 utc | 220

From Rybar Telegram channel…A short update on apparent Ukrainian plans for counteroffensives…

The main results of the SVO in Ukraine for May 10, 2022
The Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to expand the zone of control north of Kharkiv. An offensive is being prepared on Cossack Lopan and Tsupovka, battles are going on in Liptsy and Rubizhnoye.
At the same time, a counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Izyum is being prepared. It is planned to force the arm and capture Rudnevo and Ivanovka. Tanks and reinforcements from the defense system have been transferred to Elizavetovka and Razdolie.
Ukrainian Air Force lost 2 Su-25s and 1 Su-27 in air battles in Dnipropetrovsk, Nikolaev and Kharkiv regions. A Ukrainian Mi-8 was shot down near Kherson.
The Russian Armed Forces attacked the barges that blocked the entrance to the Dnieper Bay. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing for an attack on Oleksandrivka and Kherson.
#video #digest #Russia #Ukraine
@rybar

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 11 2022 5:42 utc | 221

@ CharlesLutherThanos | May 11 2022 2:46 utc | 195
jesus, but that was a brutal overview in your post from the russia mod….. that saying about fighting russia down to the last ukrainian sure seems spot on here..
thanks for your posts richard…

Posted by: james | May 11 2022 5:44 utc | 222

Posted by: james | May 11 2022 5:44 utc | 220
Most of that was their stupid operation trying to recapture Snake Island. Even the MoD clearly thought that was a stupid move for just a PR benefit, to try to get a “win” to spoil Victory Day. Let’s hope they some more. They appear according to Rybar as posted above to be planning counteroffensives in various places – good luck with that, Ukies. 🙂

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 11 2022 5:50 utc | 223

A little trick mentioned on the Colonel Cassad Telegram channel… I’ll have to remember this for the time when I have a drone and some grenades. 🙂

#exclusive
A small life hack from the special forces of the DPR army. In order not to waste time creating an explosive device that can be dropped from a quadrocopter on the head of an enemy, a ceramic cup and an F-1 hand grenade are used. The recipe is simple: a cup of the right size is taken, a ring is pulled out of the grenade and the grenade itself is placed in the cup so that the bracket is firmly pressed. The grenade cup is then attached to the quadcopter’s makeshift ejection device. When the quadcopter finds the target, the cup with the grenade is dropped, smashes on the ground and at this time the grenade detonator is activated and the grenade explodes.

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 11 2022 5:53 utc | 224

@ richard… it is a very poor reflection of the type of thinking leading ukraine here… this level of stupidity can’t survive for long – pr, or no pr… they are essentially fucked if they keep this up.. on the other hand, maybe it was cia – m16 encouragement… with friends like these, you don’t need enemies..

Posted by: james | May 11 2022 5:53 utc | 225

grenade cup idea is pretty ingenious..

Posted by: james | May 11 2022 5:55 utc | 226

Posted by: james | May 11 2022 5:53 utc | 223
Yes, I was thinking that sounded like CIA thinking. But the Ukies seem also to be good at that sort of thinking. Idea could have come from Arestovich since he’s in charge of Ukie propaganda apparently. We have to remember that a lot of Zelenskyy’s “crew” apparently come from the same entertainment world he does. In other words, all cocaine-induced flair and no substance.

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 11 2022 5:55 utc | 227

Jacob Dreizin’s latest… Has some video of Victory Day in Mariupol. Points out that after a month of the supposed “switchblade drone” hype, there appears to be not one video of it being successfully used.
Personally, unlike Mercouris who thinks Dreisen is the latest thing since sliced bread, I don’t find his analysis to be significantly deep, certainly not compared with what we get here from b and the commentators.
Victory Day in the Ukraine
https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/05/10/victory-day-in-the-ukraine/

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 11 2022 6:02 utc | 228

@199 K | May 11 2022 3:02 utc – “The Vietnam protests are still I believe the largest in history, little did we know that no matter how many of us said no the PTB were never going to listen. The fault of our generation is that we didn’t have the base of solidarity (it having been wiped out decades before) to protest the political establishment behind the war. We were naive and that’s pretty natural for teenagers.”
I agree with this and I want to add a little more.
First, I recall a discussion here where someone said they wished the 60’s generation had actually achieved something. A commenter – I think either Walter or Bemildred but it could be another – said that he thought that that generation gave it a good shot, but “they murdered all our leaders and flooded the country with dope.”
I remember that phrase because it sums up in quintessential terms what actually happened. What killed the hippie spirit was heroin, and for this we can only look to the CIA. What killed the political superstructure buoyed by this spirit was the death of its spiritual inspirations, and the chilling effect that happened deeply in the human soul.
~~
As you say, we didn’t know what we were up against. But I do observe that the spirit of the sixties fueled a change in social consciousness that is still with us. And people in the sixties saw that this might be the only legacy that could endure – that, in other words, if one couldn’t bring on the revolution now, one could at least plant the seed that couldn’t be extinguished, and that could change society softly, over time. This, I believe, endured, and worked.
What we didn’t know was that the evil would endure also. We thought the enduring of the good would outlast the evil.
And so we now have a western society wherein all the tenets of the sixties ideals remain on the table, coexistent with all the tenets of the evil that opposes them. But the point is that all these things are visible. And they were evidently not visible back in that day.
And I propose that this must be considered an advance.
I suspect that those who have grown up in the Internet don’t understand how a change in consciousness can occur without computers, but LSD and a hip generation managed to form some kind of a part of that. So there is much hope – even if they take the Internet away from us – that the power of the people and their dreams (and of old “Cosmo”, as the Pranksters called it) are far greater than any authoritarian, criminal conspiracies against those dreams.
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We sneer at the dreamer, and never think to be in awe of the fact of dreams.

Posted by: Grieved | May 11 2022 6:04 utc | 229

OK, filter is dropping me again. I think this filter is set to drop you if you make too many posts within a short time. It assumes you’re spamming. So I’m going away now until much later.

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 11 2022 6:07 utc | 230

@ richard… come back tomorrow.. i am sure it will be fine… many folks appreciate all your posts.. thanks..

Posted by: james | May 11 2022 6:11 utc | 231

Andrei Martyanov said this in his last talk, about NATO’s catastrophe around Snake Island, but he says it many times, many ways, “for many years”…

American weapons perform piss-poor on real battlefield.

Please believe it. It’s the truth, and the story of this war — fated to ever go untold where merchants of crappy arms control the narrative. Arthur Miller’s (arguably) most memorable masterpiece All My Sons (1946), directed by and dedicated to Elia Kazan, confronts a father’s terrible crime of war-profiteering — selling shoddy goods to the military, resulting in the death of his own son.
These days, by contrast, war-profiteering is so ubiquitous we’ve forgotten there ever used to be something wrong with it. It’s the air we breathe, the water we swim in. We’re so marinated in the fluid of insane self-destructive profits, you better not break from the swarm and start noticing the cognitive dissonance, the kinetic collisions with reality, or else you’ll ruin everything.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 11 2022 6:16 utc | 232

grenade cup idea is pretty ingenious..
Posted by: james | May 11 2022 5:55 utc | 224
Like one of Heloise’s handy housekeeping hints!

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 11 2022 6:26 utc | 233

Lot of people asking ‘what happened to the anti-war hippies?’ and ‘what happened to the Generation of Peace?’ and ‘Make Love, not War?’
What happened to them, specifically, was the ironically named ‘Democratic’ Party. The DNC is like a vacuum cleaner. It sucks in hope, optimism, courage, ideals and principles, and then when you throw away your Hoover bag, you see it’s all been turned into a big bag of rubbish.
The key to understanding so much of American and ‘Western’ politics, is to see that, to paraphrase Michael Hudson and Ken Loach:
‘What can’t be reformed, won’t be reformed.’
The American political system is, quite simply, unreformable. A lot of people even on this website, arguing, even implicitly, that at some point in the future, some movement or group or whatever will come along, make some tiny tweaks to the system, and ‘everything will be alright’.
This cannot happen. The ‘One-party-state-masquerading-as-a-two-party-state’ is not a democratic system, and cannot be reformed to pursue democratic outcomes. It’s as simple as that.
Sorry to sound like a hippy, but I don’t care. The hippies were right. It is, indeed, ‘the system, man’. You other propose fundamental, systemic change, or you’re wasting your time. Voting in rigged, pointless elections is, by definition, a waste of time, as by participating in the system you help to legitimise the system.
In fact, any participation in this system is a waste of time, as rebels in other totalitarian systems (e.g. the White Rose in Nazi Germany, dissidents in the Soviet Union) were well aware. Dissidents in the USSR weren’t asking for reform of the system, they were asking for the abolition of the system and its replacement by something else. If you aren’t doing the same with the American system, you are wasting your time.
Sorry.

Posted by: Hidari | May 11 2022 6:31 utc | 234

@CharlesLutherThanos | May 11 2022 1:15 utc | 169

Why the hell do they make it so damn hard to find an official channel on Telegram? It drives me to distraction the idiocy.

It makes it harder to censor if you can’t find it 🙂 Maybe the idea is that the censors are below average smart.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 11 2022 7:04 utc | 235

@Rae | May 11 2022 1:19 utc | 173

Lira is compromised.

Unless you back that up with some facts, I would say that claim backfires on you.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 11 2022 7:30 utc | 236

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 10 2022 21:56 utc | 100
They work as advance force for NATO, do they not?
If anything happens to them, our war mongers will scream for massive intervention.
I suddenly remember that Kiev tried to introduce legislation last year preparing for conscription of women. (They claimed it had to do with inroducing EU standards.) Now I wonder if Kiev had already set the date for this war.

Posted by: Martina | May 11 2022 8:03 utc | 237

@ uncle tungsten | May 11 2022 3:46 utc | 206 Re:
“On USA corruption – I guess it is the essence of european corruption triple distilled and cellared in old gunpowder barrels for a century or two. It started with the vast accumulation of wealth in Venice that in the 1600’s Managed its risk by franchising to London, Amsterdam and Madrid. It has gotten stronger and more vile as the decades roll on.”
You can add to that lot, fractional reserve banking and unrestricted inheritance of wealth, give it a shake and hey presto! Nero and Caligula with nukes.

Posted by: MarkU | May 11 2022 8:15 utc | 238

jesus, but that was a brutal overview in your post from the russia mod…..
james | May 11 2022 5:44 utc | 220
Part and parcel of giving Lavrov the middle finger. Now they have to deal with Shoigu who doesn’t talk much. That old saying – action speaks louder than words.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 11 2022 8:20 utc | 239

https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/bulgarians-fear-russia-could-attack-their-country/
Quote:
Two in three Bulgarians fear Russia will use missile and bomb strikes on sites in Bulgaria, while more than half fear Russia could occupy it, a nationally representative sociological survey by the ESTAT agency on behalf of the Workshop for Civic Initiatives Foundation reads.
According to the survey, three in four Bulgarians fear the use of nuclear weapons, while 54% say they fear “very much and somewhat” possible occupation by Russia, and 62% fear missile and bomb strikes on various sites.

It just puzzles me.

Posted by: Wim | May 11 2022 8:21 utc | 240

Don Bacon [212]
.from Kyiv Post:
Economist Timothy Ash: Time on Ukraine’s side in war, Russian economy squeezed
…but the IMF predicts the Russian economy will shrink by 8.5% this year, and Ukraine’s will fall by a whopping 35%.
. . .and the World Bank says Ukraine economy to contract by 45% in 2022

Well under that Star of Western Politico-Media Boris Yeltsin Russian GDP fell >47% 1991-2000 bearing in mind the sage advice of Chicago School/Washington Consensus economists advising Chubais.
Yeltsin simply shelled the parliament with US support and had US advisers to rig the elections.
Ukraine is finished as a country. EU and US now want that grain exported as payback and Gayboy has to starve his population to generate currency. Funnily, Lithuania wants a “corridor” through Belarus to ensure grain reaches them.
Time for Lukashenko to offer a perpetual corridor linking Belarus to Kaliningrad and thereby ensuring distribution of grain.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 11 2022 8:23 utc | 241

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 11 2022 5:50 utc | 221
If you think it was PR then you are no strategist.
Romania is feeding weapons across the border. There are smugglers tunnels around Odessa. There are no doubt NATO Spec Ops inside Odessa.
Snake Island is simply too close for comfort. If Russia replaces Moskva sea-level radar with a base station on Snake Island those SBS trips across the water become difficult.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 11 2022 8:26 utc | 242

S #135

Address of Belarusian President Aleksandr Lukashenko at a ceremony on the occasion of the 77th anniversary of Great Victory at the Victory Monument in Minsk (President of the Republic of Belarus, May 9, 2022)
(This official translation into English is slightly different from the original speech in Russian, so one may want to machine-translate the latter.)

Thank you. That was a great speech. I admire this Lukashenko for his direct style and sincerity. These are times of great words and powerful imaginings of peace, I trust that many in the west will hear.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 11 2022 8:27 utc | 243

Am I right in thinking that the Soyuz pipeline goes across Ukraine to Slovakia? If so, is this a threat to Slovakia (and Hungary) to ‘get in line’?

Posted by: chris owen | May 11 2022 8:38 utc | 244

Grieved #226

We sneer at the dreamer, and never think to be in awe of the fact of dreams.

Thank you for the reminder. Much was achieved and much stillborn yet we still ride Further.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 11 2022 9:12 utc | 245

I haven’t been able to connect to eng.mil.ru for several days, neither with VPN or Tor. And frankly, I’m not doing well without my two daily shots of military reports. Does anyone know any other place to get them right after release? Anyway, it’s great to see them sometimes posted here.

Posted by: Sarmat | May 11 2022 9:16 utc | 246

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 11 2022 8:26 utc | 239
It was the MoD who declared it a PR stung.
“The Kiev regime’s mindless PR campaign to seize Snake Island on the eve of Victory Day resulted in the senseless deaths of more than five dozen Ukrainian fighters and members of elite AFU units, the loss of 4 aircraft, 10 helicopters, 3 boats and 30 unmanned aerial vehicles.” – MoD
There may be good reason to place a Russian radar on the island. They’ve had control of it for weeks. So it seems odd that just before Victoria Day they make a desperate effort to seize it. So I call your theory a speculation at best and defer to the MoD.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 11 2022 9:22 utc | 247

Aleph_Null #229
re Martyanov: “American weapons perform piss-poor on real battlefield.”
I guess one of the westies main objectives is to see what tactics and weapons and defence systems the Russians can really roll out. A sort of live fire expose of the Russian arms bazaar.
Instead we see the abject idiocy and clapped out arsenal the west has to apply.
The westies got lucky with the Moscow (an aged rook).
They got unlucky with choosing Ukraine as the pawn (thinking they had a bishop).
They got extremely unlucky with Lukashenko and Belarus and then f*ked up good and proper in Kazakhstan. But they just had to keep up momentum and blew their chance to pause and recalculate. It is a bleak chess board to be staring at for the westies as they have not only lost all their bioweapons facilities but soon will be invited to do some mansplaining about that very issue.
My forecast is for dense fog and distractions aplenty blowing in from the west.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 11 2022 9:27 utc | 248

Posted by: Martina | May 11 2022 8:03 utc | 234
“Now I wonder if Kiev had already set the date for this war.”
I’m convinced they did. There were very large NATO exercises scheduled for February 2022, involving 60+ thousand NATO troops, and hundreds of NATO planes and ships. I suspected that would be used for cover or even participation by NATO in the attack on Donbass. Then suddenly after the war all the information those exercises disappeared even from the NATO Exercise Schedule on NATO’s Web site.
So Russia preempted that.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 11 2022 9:27 utc | 249

HAH! The filter is allowing my original username again! What a POS…

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 11 2022 9:28 utc | 250

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 11 2022 8:27 utc | 240
Yeah, thanks to S for the speech. You won’t hear this kind of speech in the West anymore. Whenever a Western politician gives a speech it’s mostly a stream of lies and platitudes, but there is almost always also this little unexpected thing that’s intended to prepare you for getting more of your freedom or money taken away from you. The media will jump onto it and a month later that “little unexpected thing” is now firmly accepted by the public.

Posted by: Sarmat | May 11 2022 9:30 utc | 251

Paul Greenwood #239

Snake Island is simply too close for comfort. If Russia replaces Moskva sea-level radar with a base station on Snake Island those SBS trips across the water become difficult.

Agreed. That island is also a mighty important speck for flank defence against a southern sea based resupply to Odessa or worse. I assume it is mainly a very special cog in the Russian wheel in the planned liberation of Odessa.
For now it has fulfilled an important role in prematurely flushing out some stashed Ukrainian air power and generally contributed to the denazification body count. It reminds me of the current military significance of Socotra Island

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 11 2022 9:39 utc | 252

ooops to my #249
I should add that the Romanians might be enticed/goaded/bribed by USA to ‘occupy’ it for essential maritime security purposes as well if left ‘vacant’.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 11 2022 9:42 utc | 253

Dmitry Medvedev: The goal of US assistance to Ukraine is to continue the proxy war against Russia, the desire to inflict a heavy defeat on our country, limit its economic development and political influence in the world.
Will not work. Their printing press, due to which America is constantly increasing its already inflated national debt, will break faster.
But the goals of the special operation will be achieved

Posted by: Kim | May 11 2022 9:48 utc | 254

The result of the arrival of an air bomb at Azovstal
Looks like nazis getting their nuts roasted.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 11 2022 9:48 utc | 255

It’s not conservative vs liberal.
It’s not left vs right.
It’s not woke vs asleep.
It’s the top 2% vs the rest of us.
They kill some of the rest of us to increase profits for the 2%. It’s been going on since (at least) the early 1900s.
“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer; a gangster for capitalism.
I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested.
Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”
Major General Smedley Butler
Now they prefer foreigners to die for their cause.

Posted by: D J G | May 11 2022 9:55 utc | 256

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 10 2022 18:18 utc | 15
Thank you for that excellent observation, Aleph_Null! And b, bless you — so many of my posts I realized after the fact have not ‘turned out’ ——– and yet I foolishly turned them out! You are wise in exceptionally holding back – a lesson I need to learn!
I am up in the wee hours – something we oldies love to do when all around us is sleeping. Courage and patience all, and thank you for the good reading I will be doing here as cheese and crackers keep me company!
Not only has Putin put his people first, but also reversed the order of command for his regiments, which they, being of a similar mind, will not mind at all. Plus, he marches with his people. Bravo, Putin! Bravo, Russia!

Posted by: juliania | May 11 2022 10:12 utc | 257

Grieved | May 11 2022 6:04 utc | 226
I suspect that those who have grown up in the Internet don’t understand how a change in consciousness can occur without computers, but LSD and a hip generation managed to form some kind of a part of that
Agreed, but one must remember that while a few of us were endeavoring to differentiate the foreground from the background, and possibly stitch them back together, a majority of Americans were supporting the war in Vietnam, notwithstanding horrifying and omnipresent images such as those of Major General Nguyễn Ngọc Loan shooting a handcuffed POW in the head, or the screaming, naked, nine-year-old ‘napalm girl’ running from total inferno.
No, then as now, war tolerates the outrages inflicted on the defenseless, and in its own time, by its own parameters, finds its own resolve…usually dictated by other geopolitical exigencies.

Posted by: john | May 11 2022 10:17 utc | 258

@Sarmat | May 11 2022 9:16 utc | 243
You may try MoD telegram channel instead. The reports are there. xttps://t.me/mod_russia_en

Posted by: aquadraht | May 11 2022 10:22 utc | 259

The Gas line switch off isn’t that big judging by MSM.
Hardly any mention.
Wonder why?

Posted by: Jpc | May 11 2022 10:45 utc | 260

Posted by: pachinko | May 10 2022 19:13 utc | 47
Many good suggestions from others on how to discern the truth (or at least a reasonable approximation).
One thing I found instructive to understanding spin and cognitive manipulation is to read newspaper headlines that are months out of date. The patterns of manipulation repeat constantly. You just need to find someone with a pile of old papers and bingo, all becomes clear.
The other insight I can provide is finding reliable sources (which takes a while) and then expanding your network based in their recommendations. Rinse and repeat.

Posted by: drezzo | May 11 2022 11:00 utc | 261

Posted by: aquadraht | May 11 2022 10:22 utc | 256
Thank you, aquadraht. For some reason I can’t preview that channel. Even though I can preview https://t.me/s/mod_russia
I guess I have to register a telegram account. Just have to find out how to work around the phone number requirement first.

Posted by: Sarmat | May 11 2022 11:02 utc | 262

For those who want an alternative perspective to the Western mainstream BS, all you have to do is download Telegram It’s a superior Russian whatsapp.
It works on various platforms.
There are lots of channels giving the Russian view in English: including MoD Russia English, Intel Slava Z, Xoaquin Flores, ASB Military News, Victor Victop55, are ones I follow.
Incidentally you will rapidly come across *horrific* videos of dead Ukrainian soldiers, their positions blasted apart by artillery or airstrikes. That’s how I know Russia is winning massively: there are hardly any such videos from the West. Russia’s infantry just go into film the dead: there isn’t anything to do, and there aren’t any wounded. Dozens per day, which is only a fraction, I think, of the actual total.
The West is responsible for these deaths, Ukraine should have capitulated weeks ago.

Posted by: JulianJ | May 11 2022 11:06 utc | 263

I have been reading a lot about Ukraine cutting off the Gas to Europe and that that decision was made by Washington. FWIW I don’t think this is the case for a number of reasons. I believe this is Zelensky’s decision, purely his. The UAF are losing badly in Donbass with a major breakthrough by Russia. His troops are failing horribly at the cost of a lot of life so he knows the chances of mounting any serious resistance to the RF Army is limited. He has been calling for weeks for NATO to invade Russia if you like and to commit troops to Ukraine, to no avail. The problem now is, the USA, Canada, UK and EU countries have all but deified Zelensky to the point of denying it is a Nazi Government and the truth about the corruption within it and building him up to be a hero of monumental stature, that they cannot now walk back on that and he knows that. After Scholz’s ridiculous behaviour and comments on 9th May 2022 he cannot now go to Russia and ask them to restart Nordstream 2. In Zelensky, they have created a monster with a monstrous ego who now believes he runs the world and has the power to do so. Well, when the RF complete their actions in the Donbass I suspect this pipe will be taken under the ownership of Gazprom (RF) since it is a trend in the West now to seize assets. Well, since they have got themselves into a situation from which they cannot now back down or walk back with the RF what are the collective West going to do now? Any Politicians who have stature and are serious minded in their task will start negotiations with the RF. But they won’t. I’m curious now as to how this is going to progress. For me, the difference in dealing with President Putin and Zelensky is the former is a serious minded Statesman who understands negotiation, international relations and diplomacy and who has deep levels of personal integrity leading to sound and strong decision making. The latter. Well, he is an idiotic television comedian who is totally unfit for office and who has no expertise or experience to hold the post he has. He is a 2 bit television comedian whose Cabinet comprises of friends from Television. He has no understanding of politics and is a shallow, thieving, liar. What are they going to do with him?

Posted by: Jo Dominich | May 11 2022 11:06 utc | 264

#—Posted by: c1ue | May 10 2022 22:14 utc | 107
Iran is even longer: the US had a clear role in the original installation of the Shah, leading to the Iranian Revolution, leading to the October Surprise and Reagan, leading to JCPOA under Obama and JCPOA repeal under Trump – with sanctions on Iran all the while.
The Shah seemed to have pulled his shackles, if not to say shekels – is that why he was ousted?
He wanted to link oil to commodities, to the detriment of the petro-dollar.
https://youtu.be/XrCK6CD1dKM
Is that why he was ousted? Like in black was the first orange?

Posted by: Anne B | May 11 2022 11:28 utc | 265

@ drezzo | May 11 2022 11:00 utc | 258
Another and very important technique for getting to the truth is to ignore the words and just concentrate on the actions. Narrative control is the central focus of propaganda. If you ignore the narratives and focus instead on concrete facts (eg movements of military pieces or breaking of treaties or international law) then you will be much harder to bamboozle.

Posted by: MarkU | May 11 2022 11:35 utc | 266

How can Europe be bribed away from this?
https://www.rt.com/business/555286-greece-inflation-double-digits/

With inflation surpassing 10%, Greece became the ninth country in the Eurozone in which official inflation has reached double digits, following Bulgaria (10.5%), Slovakia (10.9%), the Netherlands (11.2%), Czech Republic (11.9%), Poland (12.3%), Latvia (13.2%), Lithuania (16.6%), and Estonia (19%).

Posted by: Anne B | May 11 2022 11:36 utc | 267

#—-Posted by: malenkov | May 11 2022 0:04 utc | 14
Europe didn’t care that much, as long as they didn’t get nuked. We had our own beefs to settle.
Except for a few, the only government force involved was the police.
You might say we went anti-nuclear, and forgot the rest.

Posted by: Anne B | May 11 2022 11:57 utc | 268

Posted by: K | May 11 2022 0:32 utc | 154
By “doctrinaire Marxism” I was referring to the difficulty in obtaining complete knowledge of his work. The early Marx is different from the late Marx and I am no expert on his opus.
A recent comment appeared to critique my interpretation of Marx and I went back to the source material fearful of having made a mistake.
The UK enclosures caused the extinction of communal and semi communal forms of landholding and created a pool of surplus labour which was commoditized and exploited by the capitalist class. I did not see how my post contradicted this summary, or the analysis contained in Part VIII of Capital Vol. 1. Marx made his analysis clear in Value, Price and Profit when he replaced the term “primitive accumulation” by the term “original expropriation.”
Doctrinaire Marxism involves this form of hair-splitting detail which on one level is critical to an understanding of Marx and on another level is extremely tedious and unproductive. Marxist analysis introduces concepts of “social power” and coercion absent from earlier works on political economy such as Adam Smith.
When a capitalist owns a factory he also owns the means of production i.e. the workspace and all the associated equipment. In software development the means of production are located between the ears of the departing employee. These skills are not commodities but extremely specialized and difficult to replace.
Weber’s description of class includes this human capital component of the labour force more fully developed in Harry Braverman’s Labour and Monopoly Capital. Marx omits this distinction as Marxist labour power is an undifferentiated commodity.
I agree with your comment on the wisdom of Marx refusing to provide a “cookbook.” It can be argued that some claimed implementations of his theory are inconsistent with his analysis.
To return to the topic of the Ukraine.
The same poster reminded me of the work of R Cobb who wrote an extensive analysis of the French revolution of 1789. He made the claim that only a minor portion of the French population were actively involved in the revolution. I was disbelieving of this given the bloodshed and mayhem that resulted, the shattered foundations of Europe, the wars fought to secure the revolution. It was incredible to me that all this war and upheaval was the product of a small minority.
It is reported the Ukrainian state was seized by AZOV and related militant factions constituting less than 5% of the population. Today we witness carnage and social displacement, a series of shocks to the global economy that will affect every person on the planet. All of this is due to only 5% of the Ukrainian population. This vindicates Cobb’s assessment of the 1789 revolution. But it is stunning to contemplate such massive effects from such a small group.

Posted by: Sushi | May 11 2022 12:16 utc | 269

@ #47_pachinko
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This would be a worthwhile place to have a listen. From 2nd May.
ScottHorton_ColDougMacGregor
Also, anyone up with the current status of the Azovstal ‘stand-off’?

Posted by: PaulH | May 11 2022 12:19 utc | 270

Communism verses Capitalism. How convenient for the “City of London” to keep the discussions centered around only 2 alternatives. The real fear of “The City of London is:
“In his National System of Political Economy, published in 1841, List systematically developed the concept of an economy based on the nation state, as opposed to what he called the “private economy” (the household or individual enterprise) or the “cosmopolitical economy (the world taken as if a unified whole).” It is through the nation state that conditions for increasing the “power of producing wealth” (which List says is much more important than wealth itself) are created. He writes: “The present state of the nations is the result of the accumulation of all discoveries, inventions, improvements, perfections, and exertions of all generations which have lived before us; they form the mental capital of the present human race, and every separate nation is productive only in the proportion in which it has known how to appropriate these attainments of former generations and to increase them…”
List thus has taken up Hamilton’s concept of the productive powers of labor, and made even more explicit the powers of mind which determine them.”

Posted by: GEORGE M CHAMBERLAIN | May 11 2022 12:35 utc | 271

A shocking (for the average Westerner) interview with a former French military man who went to Ukraine on a humanitarian mission and spent three weeks there. Shocking – due to the significant discrepancy between the picture from MSM & TV, reflecting the constructed alternative reality and actual reality “on the ground”.
A few quotes:


I witnessed how the Ukrainian military shot through the knees of captured Russian soldiers and shot in the head higher-ranking officers.

I have personally seen American cameramen making fake footage from the scene of the events that were staged.

Bucha is a staging. The bodies of the victims were moved from other places and deliberately placed in such a way as to produce a shocking footage.

Posted by: alaff | May 11 2022 12:36 utc | 272

Posted by: PaulH | May 11 2022 12:19 utc | 267
“Also, anyone up with the current status of the Azovstal ‘stand-off’?”
Same-same as before. Occasionally someone surrenders. Occasionally someone tries to break out or sneak around and gets captured or killed. The rest of the time the Russians bombard it with artillery, tank fire and aircraft. Supposedly they used ground penetrating radar to determine exactly which spots in the factory contain the Ukrainian troops. Otherwise they’re waiting them out.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 11 2022 12:50 utc | 273

The Shah seemed to have pulled his shackles, if not to say shekels – is that why he was ousted?
He wanted to link oil to commodities, to the detriment of the petro-dollar.
https://youtu.be/XrCK6CD1dKM
Is that why he was ousted? Like in black was the first orange?
Posted by: Anne B | May 11 2022 11:28 utc | 262
It is fairly common that the sellout elites we install and support in different countries get big ideas after a while. Some of our “worst” defeats came that way, it has led to revolutions here and there. Most people who come into power, wind up believing they have a right to it.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 11 2022 12:51 utc | 274

Alexander Vindman is back. You remember him, traitor to his uniform. He publicly testified that his
loyalty was to the Deep State and not to the Constitution nor the President.
[In testimony he informed us what the Deep State calls itself, “The Interagency”.]
He has penned an article which can be found, not surprisingly, at “The Bible of the Deep State”, Foreign Affairs mag.
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/ukraine/2022-05-11/america-embrace-ukraine-victory-goal
He proposes:

With new long-range firing capabilities delivered by the United States, Ukraine would be able to strike farther into Russia and destroy militarily relevant targets, thus reducing Moscow’s capabilities and limiting its potential for further offensive attacks.

His article reads like a Raytheon wet dream.
The current Secretary of Defense, Lloyd Austin, was on the Board of Directors of Raytheon before becoming Secretary.
Before him there was Mark Esper a former VP of sales at Raytheon.
And before Esper it was General Dynamics turn with Jim Mattis. Mattis came from the board of directors and then returned there
after his stint as Secretary.

Posted by: librul | May 11 2022 12:59 utc | 275

All of this is due to only 5% of the Ukrainian population. This vindicates Cobb’s assessment of the 1789 revolution. But it is stunning to contemplate such massive effects from such a small group.
Posted by: Sushi | May 11 2022 12:16 utc | 266
There are a few things i would like to comment on but firstly this last paragraph: Yes I agree it is stunning! I was just recalling that someone did research on this topic of revolutions and found that usually it takes only a very small percentage of people who are dedicated to change an entire society – for good or ill. It is quite incredible isn’t it? and I would say also hopeful.
I can’t prove this but I would say that “Marx omits this distinction as Marxist labour power is an undifferentiated commodity.” I think this might be this is because Marx who was trying to liberate the workers, would not have agreed with any term such as “human capital” that by definition could be “owned” like a slave. But I am just a beginner on Marx so this is just my impression.
In order to have inspired so far the revolutions of at least 6 communist or socialist countries, several billion people over a span of 100 years or more, I suspect that Marx was a true visionary not completely defined by the very practical nature of his research and writing, and that his work and theories have been taken and applied creatively and inspirationally as well as practically and literally.
I’ve heard this is the case with Ho Chi Minh who adapted Marxist Leninism specifically for the Vietnamese people and culture and wrote prolifically on Vietnamese Socialism. And of course the same goes for successive Chinese leaders. The observable fact that Marx’s theories lend themselves successfully to adaptation in practice tells me that they are not a rigid doctrine.
Perhaps this is a romantic view, but still the aftermath of his work is impressive and enduring and personally I am completely persuaded that a humanistic, collectivistic society and monetary system is the only way forward for humankind, albeit that could be expressed in any number of unique ways to any given culture or society. For example the direction I believe Russia is heading or that China is already well on the path. I understand less about Vietnam, Laos and Cuba bit they are all Marxist Leninist inspired systems that have miraculously survived and even thrived to an extent the crippling onslaught of sanctions, regime change attempts and all the rest of the Empire’s attempts to control and destroy all socialism on the planet.
They all must be on to something of david and goliath implications.
I again recommend the link already posted here a couple of times of Michael Hudson’s latest, its a particularly good summary and description of rentier capitalism and the free market economy in a way I’ve not heard before and found very helpful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlUSqQ8U8T8

Posted by: K | May 11 2022 13:03 utc | 276

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 11 2022 9:27 utc | 246

There were very large NATO exercises scheduled for February 2022, involving 60+ thousand NATO troops, and hundreds of NATO planes and ships.

All the force structure, objectives, and logistics planning for those exercises required a lead time of at least a year. I suspect they were timed to coincide with the completion of NATO training of the Uki Donbass forces. You can throw the Kazakhstan kerfuffle into the mix as RF would have faced a two-front conflict. Donbass in front, Kazakhstan in the rear.

Posted by: Sushi | May 11 2022 13:04 utc | 277

Aleph_Null #229
re Martyanov: “American weapons perform piss-poor on real battlefield.”
I guess one of the westies main objectives is to see what tactics and weapons and defence systems the Russians can really roll out. A sort of live fire expose of the Russian arms bazaar.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 11 2022 9:27 utc | 245
Thank you both for the comments, I think that is very true, we would like to see what the Russians “have”, I think a lot of the provocations have that in mind. And it occurs to me that that may also have much to do with the rather conventional nature of the conflict so far, the Russians don’t want to show too much. Typical Putin, use the minimal calibrated amount of force to get the job done, and it looks like he is going to (well, may) leave another “frozen conflict” behind this time too.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 11 2022 13:07 utc | 278


I guess one of the westies main objectives is to see what tactics and weapons and defence systems the Russians can really roll out. A sort of live fire expose of the Russian arms bazaar.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 11 2022 9:27 utc | 245

Yes, almost certainly the NATO/US electronic surveillance isn’t even primarily to inform attacks on RF during the SMO, rather it’s to capture and analyse/mine every scrap of electromagnetic data on Russia’s integrated “warfare complex”: ships, subs, aircraft, missiles, air/sea/land defense, tanks, drones, artillery, C&C, anything and everything that gets used.
The electromagnetic signature of RF systems could conceivably be used to design automated target acquisition profiles for loitering-type munitions, at the very least it will surely make them much easier to identify with existing NATO capabilities.
Hypersonics have been revealed because they can take out heavily defended targets and, crucially, seeing them used in anger probably doesn’t make them noticeably easier to counter. RF might also have hoped for a deterring effect but they west is crazy, so no dice yet.
Putin’s already said out loud that there are previously unseen weapons in reserve, ready to be used, with the obvious implication that, if used, their impact would be decisive.
This clearly seems to be part of a general RF strategy of keeping the SMO as low tech as possible, even at the expense of RF casualties, in order to preserve the effectiveness of a whole range of systems (i.e. not just just super weapons) whose use would only accompany a significant escalation, such as direct NATO/US engagement.
What we’re seeing so far might be a kind of Phoney War but with real shooting … a kind of musket showdown with a few modern weapons used where they can have the greatest effect and whose use is least likely to prejudice a serious shooting war.

Posted by: anon2020 | May 11 2022 13:08 utc | 279

@SCan|May 10 2022 22:59 utc|123

“Page” in Russian is “stranitsa” and “country” is “strana”, so they sound “similar”.
So “non-existing page” sounds similar to “non-existing country”, hence the pun.

In Slavic languages “stranica” (stranitsa) is diminutive form of “strana”.
In Russian and some Slavic languages “strana” is a word for country/nation state, but “stranica”, although grammaticaly diminutive of “strana”, means page, leaf, format (of page), place (in geography) etc. but NOT little country!
So “stranica” can also be used as a mock word for little country/small country in deriding context.

Posted by: LongCovid | May 11 2022 13:24 utc | 280

…And it occurs to me that that may also have much to do with the rather conventional nature of the conflict so far, the Russians don’t want to show too much. Typical Putin, use the minimal calibrated amount of force to get the job done, and it looks like he is going to (well, may) leave another “frozen conflict” behind this time too.
Posted by: Bemildred | May 11 2022 13:07 utc | 275

Ha, we said basically the same thing but I waffled on for a bit, our comments must have crossed in cyberspace =)

Posted by: anon2020 | May 11 2022 13:29 utc | 281

According to this all the civilians are now out of the Azovstal complex and the RF can continue with clearing out the Nazi’s and any international mad dog mercenaries and international troops/commanders,advisors.
“All civilians were evacuated from the territory of Mariupol’s Azovstal steel plant, so the DPR people’s militias ‘have a free hand’, the head of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR), Denis Pushilin, told the Rossiya-1 TV channel on Wednesday.
” According to the information we have, there are no civilians left there [inside the Azovstal plant], therefore our units now have a free hand,” he said. According to Pushilin, about 1,200 Ukrainian military are holed up the Azovstal steelmaking complex in Mariupol. They are short of ammunition, but continue to offer resistance, the DPR leader added.
Mariupol is the largest city of the Sea of Azov, one of the key metallurgical centers of Donbass and a seaport. Two major ironworks are located in the city – the Ilyich metal plant and Azovstal. The Azovmash engineering plant is also situated in Mariupol.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 11 2022 13:37 utc | 282

Residents of Kherson could be given a referendum on whether to join the Russian Federation or not.
https://tass.com/politics/1449323

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 11 2022 13:39 utc | 283

Looks like Glenn Greenwald was thinking along the same lines (see librul @272)

But as gargantuan as Biden’s already-spent and newly requested sums are — for a ten-week war in which the U.S. claims not to be a belligerent — it was apparently woefully inadequate in the eyes of the bipartisan establishment in Congress, who is ostensibly elected to serve the needs and interests of American citizens, not Ukrainians. Leaders of both parties instantly decreed that Biden’s $33 billion request was not enough. They thus raised it to $40 billion — a more than 20% increase over the White House’s request — and are now working together to create an accelerated procedure to ensure immediate passage and disbursement of these weapons and funds to the war zone in Ukraine. “Time is of the essence – and we cannot afford to wait,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said in a letter to House members, adding: “This package, which builds on the robust support already secured by Congress, will be pivotal in helping Ukraine defend not only its nation but democracy for the world.”

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/biden-wanted-33b-more-for-ukraine?s=r
And you can see how the war has benefited the Military Industrial Congressional Complex
in a chart:
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8af3b05d-e6e8-41a3-bf51-e458ca7d12c6_1496x1232.png

Posted by: librul | May 11 2022 13:42 utc | 284

The US to push a propaganda war aimed at Russians in the hope they turn against Putin, this stinks of desperation to me.
“The US Department of State has laid out the objective for its controlled non-governmental organizations (NGOs) to discredit Russia’s special military operation in Ukraine among Russian society, Director of Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR) Sergey Naryshkin said in a statement on Wednesday.
“According to information coming into Russia’s Foreign Intelligence Service, the US Department of State has set the objective for its controlled NGOs to launch a crusade to discredit the special military operation in Ukraine in Russian society,” the intel chief said.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 11 2022 13:43 utc | 285

sushi@266
“…The UK enclosures caused the extinction of communal and semi communal forms of landholding and created a pool of surplus labour which was commoditized and exploited by the capitalist class..”
Yes, it also turned the ‘feudal’ landowners into capitalists subcontracting by renting their land to a new class of ‘farmers’ who squeezed the, formerly landholding, agricultural labourers into semi starvation.
It was this three level system that the British tried hard, in successive attempts to introduce capitalist agriculture to India, to reproduce by creating a landlord class and putting an end to communal agriculture.
It is really impossible to understand the underlying social dynamics of Ukrainian nationalism without looking at ‘re-enserfment’ in eastern european grain growing regions in order to facilitate the export of grain through the Baltic and Black seas.
The curious neo Marxist idea that Capitalism improves living standards is everywhere disproved by observing the fate of the great mass of peasants who cultivated the land over which they never doubted they had property rights.
The small minority of active professional revolutionaries as catalysts of revolution is a basic Leninist idea. And there is a grain of truth in it.

Posted by: bevin | May 11 2022 13:51 utc | 286

Ha, we said basically the same thing but I waffled on for a bit, our comments must have crossed in cyberspace =)
Posted by: anon2020 | May 11 2022 13:29 utc | 278
Thank you, I expect others would know that too, I just wanted to get the point in the record. I thought your explanation had its merits, I tend to be impatient when writing, a legacy from once being much too busy.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 11 2022 13:52 utc | 287

I’ve read and heard on radio news that the UK PM Boris Johnson is doing a whistle-stop tour of Sweden and Finland today, we all know that Sweden and Finland are ready to join Nato, one wonders if Johnson is visiting to ask if Nato troops and equipment can be deployed in the countries soon, I say that with this in mind.
“Moscow is carefully sizing up everything touching upon NATO’s force posture along Russia’s borders, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Wednesday, commenting on the possible NATO accession of Finland and Sweden.
“We are keeping an exceedingly close eye on everything related to actions that can one way or another change the alliance’s force posture along our borders. This is subject to a very careful analysis,” he said. “We can say nothing more at this point,” Peskov emphasized.
According to earlier reports, an inter-party analysis of the security policy situation would be prepared in Sweden by May 13. Sweden’s ruling Social Democratic Workers’ Party is expected to make a decision regarding the country’s NATO membership on May 15. In Finland, most parliament members have already supported the idea of NATO membership. The country’s president and government will make a joint decision on Finland’s bid. Prime Minister Sanna Marin stated that she would make an announcement before her Social Democratic Party came to a decision at a May 14 meeting.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 11 2022 13:54 utc | 288

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov hits back at the possibility of food shortages and other shortages that the West is blaming on Russia, the Wests illegal sanctions will be the cause of shortages.
“Russia’s actions have in no way influenced and cannot influence the global food problem, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Wednesday at a news conference following talks with Omani Foreign Minister Sayyid Badr Bin Hamad Bin Hamood Al Busaidi.
“Our actions have in no way influenced and cannot influence the problems that have now been mentioned and that have been created solely by bans, illegal sanctions that have been imposed by Western countries,” he said in reply to a question about the impact of Russian actions on the global food problem.
As the minister noted, restrictions by the West have destroyed the convenient transport and logistics chains that have existed for many years. “We believe that this is an absolutely aggressive policy in relation to the world economy, world trade and to all countries of the world,” he added.”
https://tass.com/politics/1449349

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 11 2022 13:58 utc | 289

These are strong and untrue words from the Vilnius parliament in Lithuania.
“On Tuesday, the Lithuanian parliament unanimously adopted a resolution saying that Russia has been conducting terrorist activity in Ukraine that should be considered a genocide against the latter’s people. Lithuanian lawmakers have called on the international community to denounce this activity as a war crime and a crime against humanity. Lithuania’s politicians have also accused Russia of terrorism.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 11 2022 14:06 utc | 290

I find this statement by Lavrov to pretty accurate.
“The European Union fully relies on Washington’s line and has no independent foreign policy, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told a news conference after his visit to Algeria.
Lavrov called on EU foreign policy chief Josep Borrell not to forget that he is “a top diplomat, rather than a military leader in the European Union.”
“However, probably soon we will see that this position of the EU’s top diplomat will be eliminated because the EU has almost no foreign policy and is in full solidarity with those approaches imposed by the United States,” he said.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 11 2022 14:09 utc | 291

Re: Vindman’s piece….we tend to forget that since at least the end of WW2, and probably well before that, nearly all the people who immigrated to the US from Russia and Eastern Europe were fleeing Stalin and the USSR. Their memories of that regime were stark, terrible, and embedded in their bones, I would say, rightfully. As one of those boomers everyone disparages born in the late 40s I remember vividly growing up in an era when Russia and the Communists were the existential enemy and terror. For at least the last century there has been an enormous diaspora of people who have moved to the West who loathed Russia, and their beliefs have surely been passed down to their children and grandchildren. It is now an almost genetic hatred. And if you look, today, at the people the State Department relies on for advice, they tend to be from this diaspora – Alexander Vinbdman a perfect example – and this matrix of anti-Russian descendents is the group from which the US Government and State Department chooses to receive advice. No wonder then Russiaphobia is rampant. Now combine with with the uncomfortable little fact that the US chose to bring over lots of Nazis after the war because we turned immediately to confronting Russia and Stalin once the war ended, this turn really the continuation of actions we had been taking since the end of WW1 at least except for that blip of time 1933-1945 when the Nazis got in the way. How many readers here know that the US dispatched US military forces to Russia in 1919 to fight with the White Russians against the Bolsheviks until about 1922? Today the second most powerful person in the Canadian government is the direct descendent of a Nazi collaborator, a Bandarist, from Ukraine. Before WW2 there was a huge group of Americans, and in Europe, too, who wished to confront Stalin, not Hitler, believing communism worse than Nazism. So today I think we are seeing two things – one, the narrative overwhelmingly being driven from the diaspora of anti-Stalin refugee descendents and, two, the active normalization of a view that is being formed such that very soon everyone will be saying, yes, Nazis are bad, but the Russians are worse….My father who served in the First Special Service Force and ski troops in WW2, who invaded Anzio, liberated Rome, invaded southern France and then fought through France into Germany and liberated Buchenwald must be turning over in his grave….

Posted by: Boomheist | May 11 2022 14:18 utc | 292

Sushi | May 11 2022 12:16 utc | 266:

It is reported the Ukrainian state was seized by AZOV and related militant factions constituting less than 5% of the population. Today we witness carnage and social displacement, a series of shocks to the global economy that will affect every person on the planet. All of this is due to only 5% of the Ukrainian population. This vindicates Cobb’s assessment of the 1789 revolution. But it is stunning to contemplate such massive effects from such a small group.

Except it isn’t so simple. That 5% are not acting alone. The 5% in the Ukraine are just the ones in the limelight committing the most visible crimes. Furthermore, socialist movements are always acting alone and are opposed by all of capitalism’s tools of power: employers (of course), the State (police, courts, political system, etc), mass media, the educated elites (universities), the Church, and even big business arts and entertainment. With fascist movements all of these forces line up behind the fascists, while they always join forces against socialists.
So you see it is not just the 5% of the population scraped from the bottom of the Ukraine’s societal garbage bin that acted alone to seize and maintain power. The entire breadth of the Ukraine’s middle class (the so-called “Professional-Managerial Class” – PMC) are backing the fascists. Sure, the CIA and US State Department organized the whole thing and greased the palms of key players, but the coup and resulting fascist government required the support of the Ukraine’s middle class, even if they don’t dirty their hands in the actual commission of the ultraviolence.
Equating fascist coups with socialist revolutions is illogical. They are polar opposites of each other.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 11 2022 14:24 utc | 293

“…nearly all the people who immigrated to the US from Russia and Eastern Europe were fleeing Stalin and the USSR. Their memories of that regime were stark, terrible, and embedded in their bones, I would say, rightfully…” Boomheist@289
Many feared the USSR by reputation rather than experience. And many feared it because of the parts they played in killing and torturing communists and Red Army soldiers, Jews and prisoners. The memories embedded in the bones of the Waffen SS Galician Division or the Ustashe from Croatia were of the things that they had done, rather than what had been done to them.
Freeland’s family is a case in point.
You may be interested in John Helmer’s latest, it touches on the Cadieu case amongst others. And he reiterates his charge the the UN General Secretary was involved in an attempt to sdmuggle war criminals out of Mariupol.
http://johnhelmer.net/in-the-fog-of-war-theres-the-guterres-certainty-and-the-cadieu-certainty-gorilla-radio-sees-through-the-cover-up/#more-48041

Posted by: bevin | May 11 2022 14:30 utc | 294

@CharlesLutherThanos #151
Wargames are what they are. There are reasons why a Western military is incentivized to appear to be losing – bigger budgets being a primary reason.
Nor do I automatically believe even what mid-level officers say like McGregor, Baud, Ritter etc. However, the specific details these people put forward are verifiable, and have been verified.
In contrast, what is publicly known about the US and EU military analysis of Russian capabilities and their public pronouncements of Russian progress (or lack thereof) are equally scrutinized for consistency and presence of fact.
b posted an article where the author reviewed the public analysis of Russian attacking forces and logistics in late 2021 – that analysis is transparently, 100% wrong. Milley’s public pronouncements have equally been wrong.
NATO pronouncements about net 0 Russian casualties between mid-March and the end of April = utter credibility destruction on the pronouncing entity. It is simply nonsensical.
Then there are the pronouncements about Russia running out of tanks, of missiles, of soldiers, etc etc. These have been 100% wrong to date.
In contrast, the warnings about the US/EU running low on stocks of Javelins, Stingers etc – those are completely believable with even a cursory examination of the manufacturers’ history, plus I know someone who literally worked in the TI Defense plant making Stingers 40 years ago.
But I am very open to conflicting data.
The problem is that I am just not open to conflicting garbage – which is all I see from MSM sources these days.

Posted by: c1ue | May 11 2022 14:33 utc | 295

@290 Seems anti-Moskal sentiment in Ukraine is a stronger motivating force than any isms.

Posted by: dh | May 11 2022 14:35 utc | 296

CharlesLutherThanos @ 225
The cup grenade trick was used in Yugoslavia during the break up except it was a grenade in a glass left as booby trap just inside a door. It is an old trick.
Some examples…
A grenade or similar device, with pin pulled, was placed on a table in a jar or glass attached to a door handle. When opened, the device fell, and the jar broke, releasing the grenade spoon, allowing it to explode.
Grenades or explosives were wired to stereos, TVs, radios, VCRs, or other valuable items so that they would detonate when the item was lifted. Additionally, grenades were rigged against the tops of doors so its spoons would disengage when the door was opened.
A small hole is drilled through a table top. Fishing line was passed through the hole and attached with glue to a glass at one end and an explosive at the other. When the glass was lifted, the string set off the explosive.

Posted by: circumspect | May 11 2022 14:40 utc | 297

@Peter AU1 #153
I actually disagree.
Attrition ratio is a nice mathematical ring, but actually what matters is acceptable attrition ratio.
The Vietcong and North Vietnamese suffered an enormously negative attrition ratio – but that didn’t matter to them so much as evicting what they perceived as colonial oppressors (the French), puppets of an imperialist power (the South Vietnam government) and the imperialist power itself (the US).
Russia suffered enormously more casualties than Germany in World War 2; more in fact, both relatively and absolutely, than Russia suffered in World War 1 when it lost in that conflict. Wiki says the Russians lost 60% to 98% more casualties than the German forces in World War 2 on the Eastern front, for example.
And so the actual attrition ratio in Ukraine today is less relevant than the attrition ratio which Russia is willing to tolerate as well as what attrition ratio Ukrainians are willing to accept.
From my view, I believe Russia would actually tolerate 20K dead if the Ukraine problem is solved. Very possibly much more. I don’t believe Russia army casualties are anywhere remotely close to that; the bulk of the worst fighting (urban warfare) has been LDPR militias and the volunteer National Guard outfits as I noted before.
Ukraine, in contrast, has clearly lost multiple tens of thousands of dead since 4K alone have been captured. Are they willing to quadruple that or more, which is what it would take to even have a chance to “win”? I don’t see any evidence of it.
The increasing proliferation of videos showing out of shape, 50+ year old men with clearly no training indicates to me that the bottom of the barrel is in sight.
But again, I am open to countervailing data that doesn’t come from a video game or a non-fact based pronouncement from already discredited sources.

Posted by: c1ue | May 11 2022 14:43 utc | 298

How does the War Party elegantly walk away ? How can the war party declare its lame efforts a success ?
If Moscow doesn’t have an answer to this question, then the war party will escalate and keep escalating because they have no other way of thinking

Posted by: Exile | May 11 2022 14:47 utc | 299

Wow,
Thanks Richard for linking to yeasterday’s Gonzalo Lira, he’s always good but that one is straight to the point, and to me the best he did so far :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_3H5VSllMM
And for those that are speculating of Lira being compremised somehow, please back that claim whit a bit more that his few days disapearance.
Near the end of the video, Gonzalo is making fun about the possibility of Russia backing Banderists fighting a guerrilla war against a polish occupation in Galicia. I had a laught..
And a second tought… holy shit ! that mat well be the more realistic scenario…

Posted by: malamatias | May 11 2022 14:53 utc | 300