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May 10, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-63
(The post for today didn't work out. I had to trash it. You will have to talk to each other instead.) Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict … The open thread for other stuff is here.
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Hard to tell what’s happening here yet, but it looks like the Ukraine might be unilaterally cutting off Russian gas supplies to western Europe: Posted by: El Tweedie | May 10 2022 17:48 utc | 1 Finely it happens… Ukraine is stopping the flow of gas to EU flowing through Lugansk. 1/3 of the Posted by: DutchZ | May 10 2022 17:52 utc | 2 @DutchZ | May 10 2022 17:52 utc | 2 Posted by: Norwegian | May 10 2022 17:54 utc | 3 Ya’ gotta’ love consistency. Virtually all U$A MSM, following the same BS stories about Ukraine, with absolutely no mention of the U$A’s culpability in starting, and continuing the war… Posted by: vetinLA | May 10 2022 17:54 utc | 4 As the pumping stations are falling in Luhansk hands Ukrainians are cutting off deliveries. This is further going to put Germans and other Europeans under pressure. I predict that very soon Germans will start “stealthy” tests of NS2. This can literally make Biden drop dead. Posted by: Milos | May 10 2022 17:54 utc | 5 The Gas Supply story is confusing – because if Kiev wants to force a EU crisis then cutting off this one pipeline won’t do it. Posted by: Exile | May 10 2022 17:55 utc | 6 Any news on this from the Saker? Posted by: Jpc | May 10 2022 17:55 utc | 7 What now, is Ukraine, the most corrupt country in Europe, now sanctioning Europe? I guess Scholz didn’t kiss elenski’s ring to his satisfaction. (formerly known as Anonymouse) Posted by: Quid me vexari? | May 10 2022 17:56 utc | 8 https://t.me/intelslava/27937 Posted by: Hammer_09 | May 10 2022 18:02 utc | 9 when bullshit goes off the scale Posted by: michaelj72 | May 10 2022 18:04 utc | 10 https://t.me/intelslava/28446 Posted by: Hammer_09 | May 10 2022 18:06 utc | 11 Posted by: Norwegian | May 10 2022 17:54 utc | 3 Posted by: DutchZ | May 10 2022 18:10 utc | 12 My first post here, but I have been reading this blog for many years. Thank you Bernhard for all the work that you do! Posted by: Dick Lenning | May 10 2022 18:12 utc | 13
Brussels (and the Five Eyes) will blame Russia, of course, and defend 404. As always. Posted by: malenkov | May 10 2022 18:14 utc | 14 I’ve got something to say about the very first sentence of Putin’s v-day speech:
Maybe that opening bores the heck out of you, but it strikes my ear as the reverse order of what you’d hear from an orator in USA. As if the people rank first, elsewhere. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 10 2022 18:18 utc | 15 A most interesting development. Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 10 2022 18:19 utc | 16 Cutting off some gasflow to the EU must effect Ukro self, because they are getting paid by Russia Posted by: DutchZ | May 10 2022 18:22 utc | 17 RT appears to be down for the second day running, I live in the UK, are other people able to access it? Posted by: MarkU | May 10 2022 18:24 utc | 18 Sorry: I have to play catch up on this four-oh-four business. The entomologist in me — possibly also the etymologist — wants to know how “404” came to signify “Ukraine”. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 10 2022 18:26 utc | 19 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 10 2022 18:19 utc | 16 Posted by: DutchZ | May 10 2022 18:27 utc | 20 @May 10 2022 18:24 utc | 18 Posted by: Norwegian | May 10 2022 18:28 utc | 21 Here is the view of the whole Ukraine situation from the hearts of three women. Mariupol citizens explain their feeling about Russia, Ukraine, Victory in Great Patriotic War and freedom. Video Posted by: JT Nous | May 10 2022 18:31 utc | 22 Saker reporting Ukraine is going to halt 1/3 of gasflow to Europe: Posted by: vector | May 10 2022 18:31 utc | 23 @Aleph_Null | May 10 2022 18:26 utc | 19
404 is the internet code for a page that is not found, e.g. https://www.bbc.co.uk/does_not.exist/ Posted by: Norwegian | May 10 2022 18:31 utc | 24 Posted by: MarkU | May 10 2022 18:24 utc | 18 Posted by: DutchZ | May 10 2022 18:31 utc | 25 @ Norwegian | May 10 2022 18:28 utc | 21 Posted by: MarkU | May 10 2022 18:33 utc | 26 As mentioned, there’re multiple gas pipelines running into Europe, with Southern, Southeastern Europe getting the most direct, uninterrupted supply provided they pay in rubles. Weather in Nothern Europe is turning balmy, 6-20C in Berlin for the next week that will continue warming. So, gas for heating homes isn’t as critical now as it was 2-3 months ago. What the cut in supply does do it limit industry and thus threatens jobs and the economy. I presume the pipeline being discussed by media is the Soyuz line, not the Brotherhood line. @karlof1 | May 10 2022 18:33 utc | 26
Agreed. The main enemy of European countries is in Washington DC. Posted by: Norwegian | May 10 2022 18:37 utc | 28 I think this amount is only $4 billion short of the USA’s entire infrastructure/housing budget, what is the average American thinking about this, God only knows. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 10 2022 18:37 utc | 29 RT reports that Ukraine’s first president – Leonid Kravchuk (88) – has died “after a long illness” Posted by: Norwegian | May 10 2022 18:39 utc | 31 MarkU (18). Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 10 2022 18:42 utc | 32 Posted by: karlof1 | May 10 2022 18:33 utc | 26 Posted by: DutchZ | May 10 2022 18:44 utc | 33 I suggest using Novorossiya for the eastern and southern parts of 404 Russia has liberated and Malorossiya for the eastern and northern parts of 404 when Russia liberates them. I assume many if not most here know the reason for those designations. Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | May 10 2022 18:47 utc | 34 Aleph_Null | May 10 2022 18:26 utc | 19 Posted by: CPY | May 10 2022 18:48 utc | 35 Ukraine may soon not be found, hence 404. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 10 2022 18:48 utc | 36 @ Republicofscotland | May 10 2022 18:42 utc | 31 Posted by: MarkU | May 10 2022 18:51 utc | 37
Correct. The first time I came across that amusing shorthand was on The Saker site. Dmitry Orlov was the author. Not sure if he was the one who started it. Posted by: Opport Knocks | May 10 2022 18:53 utc | 38 For Karlof1 (26) and others interested in the Russian pipelines this illustration is quite good. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 10 2022 18:55 utc | 39 A man who was in Ukraine is on French radio talking about the Azov battalion’s war crimes. My French is not that great but he claims to have seen the militants shooting Russian soldiers in the knee as well as outright killing captured officers by shooting them in the head. He claims to also have plenty of videos of these war crimes which were being carried out systematically. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoKnhXnp-Zk Posted by: eyeswideopen | May 10 2022 18:56 utc | 40 @ Posted by: Norwegian | May 10 2022 18:28 utc | 21 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 10 2022 18:59 utc | 41 UN Receiving Credible Reports of Ukraine Torture of Russian Troops
I also read today that the UN agreed to replace Russia with Chechia on the “human rights” Council. With that, we can expect the information blackout on Ukrainian war crimes to ramp up even further. Pulling out all the stops to make “news” (and the history books to come) as one-sided as possible in condemning Russia while ‘saint-ifying’ Ukra-Nazis. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 10 2022 19:03 utc | 42 Russian forces used Kinzhal missiles overnight to strike targets in Odessa. I hope they included some heavy U.S. weaponry stash. Whatever it takes; crush it, smash it, incinerate it; I don’t care just blow it to kingdom come in all directions! Posted by: Circe | May 10 2022 19:04 utc | 43 Posted by: MarkU | May 10 2022 18:24 utc | 18 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 10 2022 19:05 utc | 44 Hi B, I wonder how the Turkish compain in Iraq is going on? Posted by: A.S. | May 10 2022 19:06 utc | 45 @ Tom_Q_Collins | May 10 2022 19:05 utc | 43 Posted by: MarkU | May 10 2022 19:07 utc | 46 Posted by: MarkU | May 10 2022 19:07 utc | 45 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 10 2022 19:12 utc | 47 Really don’t mean to stir shit with this post – just a twenty-something with zero qualifications in this area trying to make sense of what’s going on: Posted by: pachinko | May 10 2022 19:13 utc | 48 Apologies for the multi-posts on the matter, but I did just switch PCs, signed into my VPN and set it to a UK IP address (Manchester, 185.242.7.7) and was able to access RT.com just fine. Anyone having issues might ask your ISP what’s going on, because it doesn’t seem like there’s a nationwide blackout in the UK from my experience. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 10 2022 19:15 utc | 49 Bojo pays a visit to Kiev and the comedian shuts a gas line… Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2022 19:18 utc | 50 Norwegian @27 & DutchZ @32– The BBC currently airing the semi-finals of the 2022 Eurovision Song Contest, who’d bet against Ukraine winning it. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 10 2022 19:23 utc | 52 https://twitter.com/lord_of_war____/status/1524038193800265731?s=21&t=E612KKRthOjHxIZeXdJVCQ Posted by: Mathew Palmieri | May 10 2022 19:32 utc | 53 A lot of pro-Ukrainians are starting to believe that Russia will soon start running out certain critical weapons like Kalibrs and Iskanders. Don’t know whether or not this is true, but I doubt it. Doesn’t enter their brains that Russia might share technology with China to allow China to manufacture weapons for Russia. China and Russian will be dumb about this, unlike Washington and London which are dumb about making public statements about their weapons supplies. Historic precedent is UK supplied technical knowledge to US during WWII. Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 10 2022 19:33 utc | 54 Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | May 9 2022 17:22 utc | 14 Posted by: Sushi | May 10 2022 19:36 utc | 55 Well, well.. Posted by: Rasta | May 10 2022 19:42 utc | 56 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 10 2022 18:48 utc | 35
Yes, it sounds lame in English, but in Russian does not: it is a pun. Posted by: hopehely | May 10 2022 19:50 utc | 57 Posted by: pachinko | May 10 2022 19:13 utc | 47 Posted by: Lex | May 10 2022 19:54 utc | 58 @ pachinko 47, Lex 57 Posted by: Don Bacon | May 10 2022 20:04 utc | 59 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2022 19:18 utc | 49 Posted by: Sushi | May 10 2022 20:05 utc | 60 i get rt on vancouver island, but no strategic culture… Posted by: james | May 10 2022 20:07 utc | 61 Posted by: DutchZ | May 10 2022 18:10 utc | 12 Posted by: Passerby | May 10 2022 20:09 utc | 62 @pachinko #47 Posted by: c1ue | May 10 2022 20:16 utc | 63 Posted by: eyeswideopen | May 10 2022 18:56 utc | 39 Posted by: chb | May 10 2022 20:17 utc | 64 “A man who was in Ukraine is on French radio talking about the Azov battalion’s war crimes” Posted by: Nanker | May 10 2022 20:19 utc | 65
Strictly speaking, Soyuz terminates in Slovakia. It meets up with other pipelines at Bar in western 404 (near Uzhgorod), from whence a spur pipeline leads to Hungary. So this closure wouldn’t necessarily cut Hungary off. Posted by: malenkov | May 10 2022 20:25 utc | 66 I understand not posting large quantities of text but this account by Russian MoD of the losses Ukraine suffered trying to retake Snake Island for a May 9th publicity stunt. should be required reading
They died in vain! Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 10 2022 20:30 utc | 67 Ghost Ship @53– Ghost Ship @66– Kiev planning military action to rescue “its” people from Azovstal? Not at all related to concurrent escalations, perish the thought. Posted by: anon2020 | May 10 2022 20:38 utc | 70 The press release of the Ukrainian operator says that they have suspended the transit from the Sokhranivka compressor station because it is in an area controlled by the Russians (I think Lugansk). Posted by: FZappa | May 10 2022 20:38 utc | 71 Posted by: vetinLA | May 10 2022 17:54 utc | 4 Posted by: Paul | May 10 2022 20:40 utc | 72 Posted by: c1ue | May 10 2022 20:16 utc | 62 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 10 2022 20:42 utc | 73 Re: Ukraine gas cutoff Posted by: c1ue | May 10 2022 20:44 utc | 74 Could some barstool warrior who’s able to access Strat. Culture please post non S.C. links to the daily articles? I believe most of the authors have other sites at which their work is posted. Posted by: NOBTS | May 10 2022 20:46 utc | 75 I am in the early stages of possible disintegration of a 20+ yr friendship. My friend is native Italian and well educated. He and his wife are sheltering 3 Ukr women in It. Posted by: Michael | May 10 2022 20:52 utc | 76 @ pachinko | May 10 2022 19:13 utc | 47 Posted by: MarkU | May 10 2022 20:53 utc | 77 The US is an empire and hegemon, whose reach and influence has been greatly strengthened by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, in itself a highly predictable outcome of decades of NATO expansion to the very borders of Russia with obviously no equivalent expansion of Russian influence in the Americas, let alone the US’s literal borders. Being an empire the US must as a matter of course curtail democratic decisionality, especially on matters that pertain to its very viability as an empire (China and Russia do the same, though obviously much more egregiously). US imperial grand strategy extends beyond and beneath any single presidential administration or party’s hold on office, this has especially been the case since 9/11. Posted by: MallardB | May 10 2022 21:00 utc | 78 @Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 10 2022 19:23 utc | 51 Posted by: Roger | May 10 2022 21:07 utc | 79 pachinko | May 10 2022 19:13 utc | 47 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2022 21:10 utc | 80 Well looking at Peter’s map of the pipeline (thanks Peter) it seems that the places most affected are Kharkov and Odessa, (and Crimea) because there is limited alternative supply. This suggests to me that the Ukrainians assume they are soon to lose control over these places or that major attacks on them are imminent. Posted by: watcher | May 10 2022 21:16 utc | 81 Google Translate Posted by: Bastille | May 10 2022 21:17 utc | 82 Sushi | May 10 2022 20:05 utc | 59 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 10 2022 21:17 utc | 83 Google Translate Posted by: La Bastille | May 10 2022 21:19 utc | 84 Micheal @74, Posted by: Lex | May 10 2022 21:23 utc | 85 @MarkU #75
There is no question whatsoever that the Russian army could defeat any combination of European NATO attacks. Germany’s entire military is about the size of the Russian 1st Tank Army all by itself. Posted by: c1ue | May 10 2022 21:24 utc | 86 Posted by: CPY | May 10 2022 18:48 utc | 34 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 10 2022 21:28 utc | 87 NOBTS @73– @Posted by: Sushi | May 10 2022 19:36 utc | 54 If Hungary is being blackmailed, it may be to prevent Hungary vetoing Finland’s admission to NATO. Posted by: Lysias | May 10 2022 21:34 utc | 90 karlof1 | May 10 2022 19:20 utc | 50 et al Posted by: chu teh | May 10 2022 21:39 utc | 91 404: as far as I know, this Ukro nickname is credited to Andrei Martianov Posted by: Ricardo Ramirez | May 10 2022 21:39 utc | 92 @ MarkU | May 10 2022 18:24 utc | 18 Posted by: D J G | May 10 2022 21:40 utc | 93 @ Republicofscotland | May 10 2022 18:42 utc | 31 Posted by: D J G | May 10 2022 21:44 utc | 94 Did someone read the last report by Amnesty International about Ukraine? Posted by: Olivier | May 10 2022 21:46 utc | 95 re M Hudson…he doesn’t babble. He knows the definition of each word he selects. He analyses carefully using scientific methods, then chooses each word to communicate accurately and effectively. Posted by: chu teh | May 10 2022 21:48 utc | 96 Posted by: pachinko | May 10 2022 19:13 utc | 47 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 10 2022 21:50 utc | 97 Posted by: D J G | May 10 2022 21:40 utc | 91 Posted by: Olivier | May 10 2022 21:51 utc | 98 what is the average American thinking about this, God only knows Posted by: Michigan Dude | May 10 2022 21:51 utc | 99 Thanks to Lex, Don Bacon, james, c1ue and MarU for replies so far! Posted by: pachinko | May 10 2022 21:52 utc | 100 |
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