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May 8, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-62
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Transcript of President Putin’s Victory Day 2022 speech (from kremlin.ru) Posted by: Andrew Celestina | May 9 2022 11:40 utc | 201 CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 9:27 utc | 176 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 9 2022 11:41 utc | 202 Soooo, no speculation about any other reasons (besides official) for cancellation of the aerial part of the parade? Posted by: Lurker | May 9 2022 11:42 utc | 203 Lurker@200 completely removed any chance of a kama kazie pilot hiding ‘behind’ the display planes and making an attack. Anything in the air within several hundred miles gets shot down, mind you, it’s not like some Orcs with boxcutters could take control of civilian plans and cause major damage…..like that’s ever happened…. anywhere. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 9 2022 11:56 utc | 204 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 10:48 utc | 190 Posted by: Orage | May 9 2022 12:19 utc | 205 Please note that the Russian Communist Party is one of the largest on Planet Earth, and it’s a sign of how democratic Russia is that it is allowed to survive and contest elections (no such thing would be permissible in the UK or the US. The last time the American Communist Party looked likely to achieve breakthroughs in the ‘democratic’ system of the US, the State simply shut it down, and no liberal protested). Posted by: Hidari | May 9 2022 12:30 utc | 206 Posted by: Andrew Celestina | May 9 2022 11:40 utc | 198 Posted by: Sarmat | May 9 2022 12:35 utc | 207
Your blog post was solid and the timeline you provide supplies the reasons why he did not likely ever make it to Mariupol. That he would then have immediately been put in charge of the alleged bio-lab there is just nonsense. Posted by: Opport Knocks | May 9 2022 12:40 utc | 208 Posted by: Andrew Celestina | May 9 2022 11:40 utc | 198 Posted by: Scorpion | May 9 2022 12:52 utc | 209 Good read from Greece Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 9 2022 12:55 utc | 210 John Goss | May 9 2022 8:08 utc | 168 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 9 2022 13:08 utc | 211 Posted by: K | May 9 2022 11:36 utc | 196 Posted by: Orage | May 9 2022 13:10 utc | 212 May 9 Victory Day celebrations in Kherson and Melitopol (videos). Finally people can freely celebrate the victory of their fathers and grandfathers over Nazism, as they used to do from 1945 up until a few years ago, when Ukrainian authorities started gradually morphing the May 9 Victory Day into May 8 “Remembrance and Reconciliation” Day and Ukrainian nationalists started assaulting Red Army veterans during the celebrations. Posted by: S | May 9 2022 13:11 utc | 213 K@196 Posted by: bevin | May 9 2022 13:16 utc | 214 @208 Posted by: Hidari | May 9 2022 13:22 utc | 215 Paul Greenwood @183 Posted by: echelon | May 9 2022 13:27 utc | 216 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 2:54 utc | 134 Posted by: Lex | May 9 2022 13:29 utc | 217 Posted by: Orage | May 9 2022 13:10 utc | 208 Posted by: Scorpion | May 9 2022 13:32 utc | 218 I have read the G7 Statement today after their meeting yesterday. They accuse Russia of “breaching the international rules based order”. I didn’t think we had an international rules based order rather, that the UN is founded on International Law not rules. This is the speak of the NWO which, as far as I can tell, is not yet in place and Russia and China have given it one massive punch in the face. The other thing the Leaders at the G7 stated it was ‘an honour’ to have Zelensky there. So, they are honouring a liar, a thief, a tin pot nazi dictator and a totally incompetent fool. Shame on them. Mind you, with BoJo there, he’s in the same league as Zelensky – 2 clowns but dangerous ones. BTW I thought Putin’s speech today was simple, great, relevant and true. I watched the March of the Immortal Regiment and was moved to tears. Go Russia, Go!! Posted by: Jo Dominich | May 9 2022 13:41 utc | 219 “…Very likely, what Europe can deliver to the United States would exceed what Russia can deliver to China, so that a loss of Russia to China would be more than compensated by the gains from a tightening of American hegemony over Western Europe…” Posted by: bevin | May 9 2022 13:42 utc | 220 Natalia Usmanova was interviewed almost 2 minutes by a journalist where Reuters only showed 1min including a framing that Russia caused damage and agony and that she is so terrified. Posted by: lulu | May 9 2022 13:43 utc | 221 Richard Head@187 Posted by: lulu | May 9 2022 13:47 utc | 222 @ Andrew Celestina | May 9 2022 11:40 utc | 198 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 9 2022 13:53 utc | 223 When criticism is a complement.
The Hill article references another article by Politico, another DemoNazi website.
I believe Esper’s is lying to the President here. It is very much *not* “the law”. The President sets foreign policy not Congress. Posted by: librul | May 9 2022 13:58 utc | 224 https://mobile.twitter.com/OSINT88/status/1523403272517976064?t=Zy8syOL2CEZ83OPt22s1Gw&s=09 Posted by: Oldhippie | May 9 2022 14:03 utc | 225 AC @ 198; Many thanks for the posting the Putin speech.. Posted by: vetinLA | May 9 2022 14:03 utc | 226 Posted by: librul | May 9 2022 13:58 utc | 220 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 9 2022 14:12 utc | 227 i mean Mark Esper is an example. Trump was in some ways probably as easy to manipulate as Biden. Posted by: pretzelattack | May 9 2022 14:13 utc | 228 Posted by: Jo Dominich | May 9 2022 13:41 utc | 215 Posted by: Scorpion | May 9 2022 14:14 utc | 229 A short film showing the start of a nuclear war. Appropriate viewing for all. Posted by: morongobill | May 9 2022 14:18 utc | 230 Why US Strategy Will Fail
This is a re-run of Kennan’s 1947 foreign policy containment strategy. Posted by: Sushi | May 9 2022 14:20 utc | 231 From the Streek screed: Posted by: Scorpion | May 9 2022 14:23 utc | 232 @ Roger # 92 Posted by: Altai | May 9 2022 14:33 utc | 233 The Nazi’s don’t care about civilians, even children for that matter. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 9 2022 14:38 utc | 234 Sushi I believe that we a getting somewhere. I suspect that b recommended Streeck not as an endorsement of all he wrote but as being provocative and insightful. I agree with the assessment. I also drew attention to Streecks recent articles in the EU and the death of democracy in Europe. Posted by: bevin | May 9 2022 14:39 utc | 235 Next the Nazi’s move into a school. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 9 2022 14:40 utc | 236 Posted by: oldhippie | May 8 2022 20:46 utc | 71 Posted by: RJB | May 9 2022 14:43 utc | 237 More Western weapons funneled into Ukraine taken out by the RF. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 9 2022 14:44 utc | 238 Nazi missile shotdown heading for civilian area in Lugansk today. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 9 2022 14:47 utc | 239 Some Ukrainian or Polish terrorists have attacked the Russian ambassador to Poland in Warsaw while he was paying homage to the fallen in WWII in a wreath laying ceremony. Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 9 2022 14:50 utc | 240 From Streek again, the beginning of the oft-discussed passage on this thread: This is big:
The israelis are *not* going to be happy. Perhaps they’ll shut up about Lavrov’s apparent ‘gaffe’ the other day. Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 9 2022 14:55 utc | 242 Seeing the multiple comments about Lviv and Poland I’ll share an interesting “discovery” I made while reading about WW I. The official reason why Poland lost Lviv is given as being because of a neurotic Zionist British Foreign Office diplomat named Sir Lewis Namier, who single handed redrew the Curzon Line before giving it to the Soviets. Original being called version “A” which included Lviv and the changed version “B” where it would be in the Soviet area.
I love how this “theme” repeats itself over and over and over when big screen historical events are discussed. Posted by: Tom_12 | May 9 2022 14:57 utc | 243 Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 9 2022 14:50 utc | 236 Posted by: Scorpion | May 9 2022 15:00 utc | 244 His name at birth was Ludwik Bernstein Niemirowski Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 9 2022 15:03 utc | 245 First time in 8 long years that the citizens of Melitopol are able to celebrate Victory Day without being attacked by rabid criminal neonazis…For all Europe to see, that what Russia is doing is liberating oppressed people by the nazis and their Western curators. Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 9 2022 15:04 utc | 246 “That the Polish society do not react to this outrage, after having suffered the genocide by these same criminals´ancestors who now run amok in Europe…” Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 9 2022 15:09 utc | 247 Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 9 2022 14:50 utc | 236 Posted by: Tom_12 | May 9 2022 15:09 utc | 248 Posted by: Tom_12 | May 9 2022 14:57 utc | 239 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 9 2022 15:20 utc | 249 Sorry bit of a botched Url because Wayback Machine has not catalogued it…… Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 9 2022 15:27 utc | 250 Putin’s Victory Day Address Posted by: juliania | May 9 2022 15:31 utc | 251 His name at birth was Ludwik Bernstein Niemirowski
I bet the family bought the right to the last name, which was common practice in that part of the World inorder to be less conspicuous.
Posted by: Tom_12 | May 9 2022 15:35 utc | 252 Thanks to Andrew Celestina @198 for posting Putin’s speech transcript. I’m reposting the core of Putin’s speech, the part that few in the West will be allowed to read or hear:
After his speech and the parade, Putin met with the father of the Hero of Russia Vladimir Zhoga and presented Artem Vladimirovich Zhoga with the star of the Hero of Russia, which was posthumously awarded to his son, Vladimir Zhoga, the commander of the Sparta battalion who died in Donbass. Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 9 2022 15:27 utc | 246 Posted by: Tom_12 | May 9 2022 15:42 utc | 254 “…a neurotic Zionist British Foreign Office diplomat named Sir Lewis Namier,..” Posted by: bevin | May 9 2022 15:48 utc | 255 Posted by: Scorpion | May 9 2022 8:08 utc | 169 Posted by: juliania | May 9 2022 15:50 utc | 256 What is the reason given for no flyovers in the Victory Parade? Posted by: Norwegian | May 9 2022 15:55 utc | 257 Has Scholz taken complete leave of his senses ? With statements like this today he is clearly hellbent on destroying Germany economically and socially and splitting the whole country asunder. Posted by: Jpc | May 9 2022 15:59 utc | 258 Norwegian | May 9 2022 15:55 utc | 253 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 9 2022 16:02 utc | 259 A report to b: Posted by: juliania | May 9 2022 16:06 utc | 260 @Peter AU1 | May 9 2022 16:02 utc | 255
Thank you. One can speculate, but that does not seem unreasonable. I saw a clip from a parade in Norilsk with a snow blizzard https://t.me/intelslava/28379 Posted by: Norwegian | May 9 2022 16:11 utc | 261 Sushi @227– One of the Nazi (Azov) commanders tried to escape from the Azovstal complex in a tank, he didn’t make it. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 9 2022 16:22 utc | 263 Posted by: bevin | May 9 2022 13:42 utc | 216 Posted by: juliania | May 9 2022 16:29 utc | 264 Posted by: karlof1 | May 9 2022 15:36 utc | 249 Posted by: Paco | May 9 2022 16:31 utc | 265 @ Sushi | May 9 2022 14:20 utc | 227 / @ 231 bevin… thanks for the input…. valuable insights! Posted by: james | May 9 2022 16:39 utc | 266 Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 9 2022 16:22 utc | 263 Posted by: Sarmat | May 9 2022 16:44 utc | 267 Yesterday, b suggested reading Tom Friedman’s NYT op/ed. Today, Global Times editorialized it very mockingly: About russophobia: Posted by: njet | May 9 2022 16:56 utc | 269 Paco @265– By the response of the Polish Interior Minister, justifying the attack on the Russian ambassador, one would say that it was organized by himself. Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 9 2022 17:38 utc | 271 At some point, Humanism will triumph over Capitalism and Imperialism.
The person who said that had a different kind of faith than my own — a faith in some kind of historical progress, for which I find no basis. Of course not. The point of faith is believing something, even though there’s no particular reason to believe it. For instance: I have a faith that truth is good for you, in the long run. But this faith of mine diametrically contradicts any available evidence. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 9 2022 17:40 utc | 272 Posted by: Paco | May 9 2022 16:31 utc | 265 Posted by: Scorpion | May 9 2022 17:42 utc | 273 Aleph_Null @272– Karlof1 @ 253. Great post. I enjoyed the video links to the Victory Parade in Moscow. What a Statesman Putin shows he really is. I was impressed by him joining the March of the Immortal Regiment with a picture of his father. He is clearly not someone who is afraid of his own citizens and is a Hands On President. I think back to the Remembrance Day Memorials here I think it was 2 years ago (may be 3yrs) when BoJo, clearly drunk, started off too early to place his Wreath and then placed it upside down. We’ve got him and the Russian’s have Putin. How I wish there were Statesmen in this Country. Jeremy Corbyn could have been but, as he’s the best Prime Minister the UK never had, we will never know. Like Putin, Corbyn is a very serious minded politician, loves his country and had a great economic plan for its improvement. But, hey ho, we’ve got Bojo on par with Zelensky who didn’t appear to be able to muster up any Statesmanlike qualities for the Victory Day Celebrations in the Ukraine. Fancy putting up a photo to commemorate the Day of an Army Soldier wearing the Nazi Logo. The man isn’t fit for office. Posted by: Jo Dominich | May 9 2022 18:14 utc | 275 Jo Dominich @275– In another thread I commented (on b’s “must read”) that most political prognostication strikes me as whimsical fairytales, imagined to occur on a previous planet, not the one we do and will inhabit. I think I can reduce the graphs I track, as a means of gaining some insight into the planet’s immediate future, down to two. One of them our fault, the other just our bad luck in the year 2022. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 9 2022 19:18 utc | 277 @bevin 235: Posted by: Scorpion | May 9 2022 19:32 utc | 278 Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 9 2022 17:38 utc | 271 Posted by: Tom_12 | May 9 2022 19:32 utc | 279 Posted by: Scorpion | May 9 2022 17:42 utc | 273 Posted by: Paco | May 9 2022 19:39 utc | 280 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 9 2022 15:20 Posted by: Leuk | May 9 2022 20:25 utc | 281 Posted by: Paco | May 9 2022 19:39 utc | 280 Posted by: Scorpion | May 9 2022 21:06 utc | 282
Ah, but the quote is much more perceptive than the man who uttered it. After all, once that arc bends toward justice, it continues to bend back downward. Justice is just the midpoint on the arc. As we see now. Posted by: malenkov | May 9 2022 22:27 utc | 283 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 9 2022 17:40 utc | 272
You must be blind then. Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2022 2:14 utc | 284 I’ve only been able to skim this thread, but commenters indicate that Bono has been out being pompous again on the world stage. At such times it’s crucial to revisit John Cooper Clarke’s wonderful poem, “Bongo’s Trousers”: Posted by: Grieved | May 10 2022 2:44 utc | 285 arch Bungle 284 Posted by: CarlD | May 10 2022 3:10 utc | 286 @Scorpion | May 9 2022 19:32 utc | 278
That thought occurred to me way back in March of 2020 and I’ve believed it ever since. Posted by: majoab | May 10 2022 6:26 utc | 287 I could go on, but the empirical evidence for historical progress is apparent to even a 12 year old. Posted by: Henry Moon Pie | May 10 2022 6:41 utc | 288 Posted by: Enigma | May 8 2022 14:36 utc | 3 Posted by: John Dowser | May 10 2022 10:00 utc | 289 @Aleph_Null | May 9 2022 19:18 utc | 277
There is no factual evidence that the so called greenhouse gasses have the claimed catastrophic effects, only flawed computer models that have failed to predict anything in the real world. It is non-scientific dogma driven by destructive politics. The climate is driven by the Sun.
The solar cycle is actually 11 years on average, and mainly in the 20th century. In the 19th century the average was different and longer. https://www.sidc.be/silso/spotless# see “Evolution of spotless days in SC24-25”. Posted by: Norwegian | May 10 2022 10:50 utc | 290 It is not possible to argue that those things have been good for the planet where we live and evolved nor for the creatures with whom we share the Earth. And that fact is catching up with us now, making it apparent that all that “progress” was not good for us in the long run. Posted by: Bemildred | May 10 2022 11:46 utc | 291 There is no factual evidence that the so called greenhouse gasses have the claimed catastrophic effects, only flawed computer models that have failed to predict anything in the real world. It is non-scientific dogma driven by destructive politics. The climate is driven by the Sun.
Those experimental results serve as part of the basis of the computer models you’re talking about. The other component is what we know about the relationship between GHGs and temperature through time. This article discusses the history of GHGs and temperature as scientists have been able to determine using data from ice core samples and elsewhere. Carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere have not been this high since the Pliocine 3 million years ago. Posted by: Henry Moon Pie | May 10 2022 13:51 utc | 292 Bemildred @291 re Henry Moon Pie @288
I quite agree. One key example is manufacturing a new car, washing machine or refrigerator. Which bright spark decided that its component parts should cross an international border 3-5-10-15 times (and probably back again) as each far-away place adds just the tiniest bit of value? Posted by: echelon | May 10 2022 14:14 utc | 293 They complain about problems with the supply chain but have they never heard of warehousing? Posted by: Bemildred | May 10 2022 14:43 utc | 294 Good interview with Mearsheimer on CGTN (from mid-April): Posted by: farm ecologist | May 10 2022 15:49 utc | 295 Posted by: Henry Moon Pie | May 10 2022 6:41 utc | 288
It can be argued that the definition of “is” really is *is*, if you get my drift.
That is a different argument, for me, though I agree these arguments are linked. Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 10 2022 21:28 utc | 296 |
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