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May 8, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-62
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …
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I am waiting for the Empire of Lies to crumble Posted by: Henry Moon Pie | May 8 2022 23:51 utc | 101 @ Posted by: watcher | May 8 2022 20:32 utc | 69 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 8 2022 23:53 utc | 102 bevin @ 52, with respect, I think oldhippie’s read is correct. This is the Streek analysis final take I posted on the other open thread:
I understand that to be his own assessment. Oldhippie and I have questioned it. Posted by: juliania | May 9 2022 0:01 utc | 103 I can’t begin to read #87. Otherwise everyone is correct enough and it ain’t that important. The psyche that writes this stuff and the power they wield is more concerning. Just what these freaks do with their power will not be that closely predicted by this one article. An indicator. Posted by: oldhippie | May 9 2022 0:09 utc | 104 Posted by: juliania | May 9 2022 0:01 utc | 100 Posted by: Henry Moon Pie | May 9 2022 0:11 utc | 105 I will post again for this second page the conclusion to the Streek article that bothers me and oldhippie. It may indeed be what the US and Nato believe, and Streek himself offers it as his conclusion in his last paragraph: Posted by: juliania | May 9 2022 0:23 utc | 106 G7 Countries Pledge to Stop Importing Russian Oil Posted by: Julian | May 9 2022 0:24 utc | 107 “Very likely, what Europe can deliver to the United States would exceed what Russia can deliver to China, so that a loss of Russia to China would be more than compensated by the gains from a tightening of American hegemony over Western Europe.” Posted by: Bemildred | May 9 2022 0:33 utc | 109 juliania, what can the the US provide? Besides LNG at 3 times the price? Ron Suskind I think nailed it. The US elite creates its own reality. Just like the USSR leadership did. Until it all comes crashing down on all the citizens heads. If you live in the West I highly recommend you buy some bullion and store food. Prepping isn’t crazy. Posted by: Goldhoarder | May 9 2022 0:38 utc | 110 @Goldhoarder, Posted by: Manage without me | May 9 2022 0:45 utc | 111 Posted by: juliania | May 9 2022 0:01 utc | 100 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 0:46 utc | 112 Why wait? Posted by: One Too Many | May 9 2022 0:47 utc | 113 Long life and great respect to Caitlin Johnson:
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 9 2022 0:47 utc | 114 Posted by: Julian | May 9 2022 0:24 utc | 104 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 0:49 utc | 115 Hey, I was just thinking what if Poland and Russia negotiated, and Russia said “sure, you can take all of Ukraine West of the Dnieper, as far as we’re concerned, just no NATO and no missiles pointed at us.” Posted by: Featherless | May 9 2022 1:07 utc | 116 How you interpreted his conclusion as “The loss of Russia is negligible next to the gain in Europe. Win-win regardless of fate of Ukraine” is beyond me. One can quibble with some of his phrasing and a few minor points but your reading of Streeck’s piece makes absolutely no sense. Posted by: K | May 9 2022 1:09 utc | 117 The numbers Russian MoD thought Ukraine had lost at the end of the fist month.
Rybar telegram channel puts current losses – killed, wounded, prisoner at around 53,000 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 9 2022 1:21 utc | 118 I suspect that the real Boris Johnson is trapped in the underground at Azovstahl. There is an imposter clown going about seeking to discredit Johnson by absurd behavior. Posted by: jared | May 9 2022 1:25 utc | 119 juliania #103
I see two threads in Streeck’s report. One is his surmise as to the ineptitude of German leadership and how it arrived at Scholz – the peak of stupidity along with the EU team of hate hysterics. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 9 2022 1:26 utc | 120 juliania | May 9 2022 0:01 utc | 100 Posted by: Lex | May 9 2022 1:30 utc | 121 uncle tungsten | May 9 2022 1:26 utc | 117 “They are staggering about in their centuries old mist screaming hatred against Russians.” Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 9 2022 1:38 utc | 122 So, in the past week we have Pelosi and crew, Biden’s wife, Boris, others I am sure to be missing showing up in Ukraine. Posted by: psychohistorian | May 9 2022 1:41 utc | 123 psychohistorian | May 9 2022 1:41 utc | 120 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 9 2022 1:48 utc | 124 Re the Streeck article…
Nothing in that paragraph talks about economicseeking to build a global alliance for its imminent battle with China over the next New World Order…” which reinforces the point is that the US goal is dominate the EU as an ally against China. Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 1:55 utc | 125 Maybe this is just silly, but considering that Russia is involved in a proxy war with the US, it’s interesting that Russian intelligence hasn’t leaked anything pertaining to 9/11 that might legitimately discredit the US government/deep state– maybe there really is nothing there to all the conspiracy theorizing about 9/11 after all. Posted by: MallardB | May 9 2022 2:01 utc | 127
It’s not that the USA can’t feed its own babies; it’s that the USA isn’t interested in doing so. Posted by: malenkov | May 9 2022 2:07 utc | 128 Anyone who else ever go check in on the Ukrainian telegram channels? Azov’s is pretty hilarious. Right now. Not only the claim of 25K+ Russian KIAs but that they’re expectation is to be extracted by the UN. Apparently surrender wasn’t part of NATO training. I’ve never served in the military, but I understand that at a certain point a soldier’s choice is to either fight to the death or surrender. Posted by: Lex | May 9 2022 2:15 utc | 129 Recent developments indicate the Donbas front is cracking open. See here: Posted by: ChasingGlowies | May 9 2022 2:16 utc | 130 Posted by: Julian | May 9 2022 0:24 utc | 104 Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 9 2022 2:20 utc | 131 Featherless #113
Spoiler…. there is not just a trust deficit, there is an absolute black hole in the west that sucks all trust in and emits blinding rays of hate. But it would be nice to see Poland establish a lasting trustworthy relationship with Russia and denazify itself. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 9 2022 2:23 utc | 132 In other words, everyone here has completely misread the last paragraph. At the very least, the last paragraph might be considered ambiguous as to what the author actually was referring to, whether it was geopolitical gains or economic gains. The presumption that it is the latter is unjustified. Posted by: Lex | May 9 2022 2:26 utc | 133 ChasingGlowies #127 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 9 2022 2:34 utc | 134 This is an impressive interview with an even more impressive panel about Ukraine, Europe/Empire and its outlook. Alistair Crooke, Scott Ritter, Max Blumenthal and Mohammad Marandi. The only regret is that it lasted only 1:30 hours. Posted by: Alpi | May 9 2022 2:37 utc | 135 The piece gets a fair number of things right but the conclusion misses the mark by a mile. Posted by: juliania | May 9 2022 2:52 utc | 136 Posted by: Lex | May 9 2022 2:26 utc | 130 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 2:54 utc | 137 @uncle tungsten @129 Posted by: Manage without me | May 9 2022 2:58 utc | 138 If Poland moves into Poland would that not be the kind of “invasion” the west decrys RF for doing? Posted by: Dadda | May 9 2022 3:05 utc | 139 Reuters is reporting that Z is saying that Russia bombed a school and killed 60 people…any confirmation of this? Posted by: psychohistorian | May 9 2022 3:20 utc | 140 Manage without me #135
Oh yes, I can imagine all of it. Perhaps a bit like Thatchers warmth toward Lenin. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 9 2022 3:32 utc | 141 Posted by: jared | May 9 2022 1:25 utc | 116 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 9 2022 3:35 utc | 142 psychohistorian #120
I suspect they are collecting their payments in bullion and trust no one bar themselves and their fat escort to take it out of Ukraine. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 9 2022 3:36 utc | 143 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 2:54 utc | 134 Posted by: juliania | May 9 2022 3:40 utc | 144 Hope someone will post Putin’s speech on the 9th. Damn sure won’t be on our MSM here in the U$A. Posted by: vetinLA | May 9 2022 3:41 utc | 145 137 Posted by: CarlD | May 9 2022 3:44 utc | 146 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 8 2022 22:37 utc | 79 Posted by: Richard Head | May 9 2022 3:57 utc | 147 @ CarlD | May 9 2022 3:44 utc | 143 who wrote Posted by: psychohistorian | May 9 2022 4:05 utc | 148 Posted by: juliania | May 9 2022 3:40 utc | 141 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 4:12 utc | 149 Posted by: Richard Head | May 9 2022 3:57 utc | 144 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 4:16 utc | 150 Gonzalo Lira discusses Ukrainian oligarch Kolomoisky and predicts Kolomoisky’s made too many enemies to survive much longer… Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 4:23 utc | 151 psychohistorian | May 9 2022 3:20 utc | 137 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 9 2022 4:23 utc | 152 That said, the school bombing will be the story making the rounds through Western zombie heads and not Putin’s speech tomorrow. Posted by: pretzelattack | May 9 2022 4:26 utc | 153 Posted by: juliania | May 9 2022 3:40 utc | 141 Posted by: Undercutter | May 9 2022 4:29 utc | 154 Maybe Putin’s May 9th speech is not going to live up to my expectations….
Posted by: psychohistorian | May 9 2022 4:46 utc | 155 Concerning the article „Fog of War“ of Wolfgang Streeck the question here was what the gain of Europe might be for the US. It is apparently not an economical gain. Posted by: Hausmeister | May 9 2022 5:01 utc | 156 Re: Posted by: One Too Many | May 9 2022 0:47 utc | 110 Posted by: Julian | May 9 2022 5:05 utc | 157 Re: Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 0:49 utc | 112 Posted by: Julian | May 9 2022 5:07 utc | 158 As Ukraine war takes Russian – and probably partially Mongolian and Kazakh – commodities out of world markets, an intense resources hunger is inevitable. In this new world, resource-deficient and financially bankrupt West is bound on procuring needed materials by way of coercion and military conquest. Two countries, Cuba and Venezuela appear particularly vulnerable. First one because of its immense nickel reserves, second due to its oil riches. Both may want to apply to CSTO as quickly as possible, or at least place token Russian garrisons on their soil. Otherwise, they are as good as dead. They’ll be invaded, and relatively soon. Posted by: Venom | May 9 2022 5:31 utc | 160 Posted by: Hausmeister | May 9 2022 5:01 utc | 153 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 6:19 utc | 161 Posted by: Julian | May 9 2022 5:05 utc | 154 Posted by: One Too Many | May 9 2022 6:37 utc | 162 Moldova Separatists Report Drone Strikes Near Ukraine Border
Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 6:46 utc | 163 Posted by: Richard Head | May 9 2022 3:57 utc | 144 Posted by: Richard Head | May 9 2022 6:53 utc | 164 CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 6:19 utc | 158 Posted by: Hausmeister | May 9 2022 7:04 utc | 165 Posted by: Richard Head | May 9 2022 6:53 utc | 161
So pick one you like! Note that most variants begin with an O, not an E. Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 7:07 utc | 166 Posted by: Hausmeister | May 9 2022 7:04 utc | 162 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 7:19 utc | 167 Live stream Posted by: MarzoD | May 9 2022 7:26 utc | 168 There is an english language live feed of the May 9 parade at here only problem is it is a Telegraph feed with an englander army nato feed who sledges all the gear. Posted by: Debsisdead | May 9 2022 7:57 utc | 169 Posted by: MallardB | May 9 2022 2:01 utc | 124 Posted by: ERing46Z | May 9 2022 8:03 utc | 170 I keep looking for more information on the alleged capture of Canadian and NATO Lieutenant General Trevor Cadieu but can’t find anything. It’s been over a week. This is what I’ve got on the episode. Posted by: juliania | May 9 2022 0:23 utc | 103 There is one May 9 Victory parade that stands head & shoulders above all others May 9 1945 Watch out for Marshall Georgi Zhukov galloping on his white charger – magnificent. Posted by: Debsisdead | May 9 2022 8:15 utc | 173 JC. (80). Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 9 2022 8:28 utc | 174 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 9 2022 1:26 utc | 117 Posted by: anon2020 | May 9 2022 8:36 utc | 175 I think we might all be missing something here. somewhere in all the gossip of daily battles over one trench or another people have forgotten putins words that nato will rereat to the 1997 borders . keep the long game in mind when reading western msm articles about russia running out of missiles or fuel. Posted by: hankster | May 9 2022 9:08 utc | 177 Scorpion | May 9 2022 8:52 utc | 173 Posted by: Hausmeister | May 9 2022 9:16 utc | 178 Latest from Jaob Dreisin… He’s seems fairly convinced the Polish incursion is going to happen…
RSH Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 9:27 utc | 179 “…Very likely, what Europe can deliver to the United States would exceed what Russia can deliver to China, so that a loss of Russia to China would be more than compensated by the gains from a tightening of American hegemony over Western Europe…” Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 9 2022 9:34 utc | 180 Let us look at the bigger picture and not be bogged down by particulars. In the above discussions about the Streeck article there is a lot of discussion. But absent are the long term goals.US has no interest in using the EU for its economic or other purposes, merely as an extension and as a buffer. The Question is that of ideologies. The EU and the US belong to the same ideology of pirate rentier capitalism. The old Marxian exploitative capitalism whereby the capitalist owns the means of production in order to make goods is no longer needed, it is about the control of money and of making lots of it by controlling money flow. In this way Russia ideologically belongs more to this school of thinking than to communist China. The current grouping of US and EU vs China and Russia is therefore on the Russia China side not ideological but that of convenience and potentially unstable in the long term. The real battle is that over Russia itself. The golden days of the empire was the Yeltsin years when Russia was brought to its knees , converted to the worst form of capitalism and compliant with the west. The two stage regime change in the Ukraine has been more successful in transforming Ukraine to a complete dependency on the west and even with a considerable undeclared NATO presence and capabilities. Posted by: Orage | May 9 2022 9:46 utc | 181 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 7:07 utc | 163 Posted by: Richard Head | May 9 2022 9:56 utc | 182 General mobilization in Russia. Posted by: oldhippie | May 9 2022 10:01 utc | 183 Interesting reporting on the May 9 celebrations according to Sky News and Yahoo! (referring back to Sky). Posted by: echelon | May 9 2022 10:13 utc | 184 #–Posted by: aquadraht | May 8 2022 16:21 utc | 27 Posted by: Anne B | May 9 2022 10:17 utc | 185 Sky News. = Comcast Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 9 2022 10:20 utc | 186 Link from TheSacker: https://media.un.org/en/asset/k1p/k1pvngjn8e (original site: https://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-yeah-we-have-some-big-deals/) Posted by: Rasta | May 9 2022 10:22 utc | 187 Re: Posted by: One Too Many | May 9 2022 6:37 utc | 159 Posted by: Julian | May 9 2022 10:26 utc | 188 Re: Posted by: ERing46Z | May 9 2022 8:03 utc | 167 Posted by: Julian | May 9 2022 10:30 utc | 189 Posted by: Rasta | May 9 2022 10:22 utc | 184 Posted by: Richard Head | May 9 2022 10:36 utc | 190 Posted by: Richard Head | May 9 2022 9:56 utc | 179 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 10:39 utc | 191 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 9 2022 9:34 utc | 177 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 10:42 utc | 192 Posted by: Orage | May 9 2022 9:46 utc | 178 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 10:48 utc | 193 #–Posted by: Mark Mosby | May 8 2022 17:16 utc | 38 Posted by: Anne B | May 9 2022 10:52 utc | 194 Posted by: Julian | May 9 2022 10:26 utc | 185
Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 10:57 utc | 195 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 10:39 utc | 188 Posted by: Richard Head | May 9 2022 11:00 utc | 196 #–Posted by: bevin | May 8 2022 19:03 utc | 52 Posted by: Anne B | May 9 2022 11:08 utc | 197 Posted by: Richard Head | May 9 2022 11:00 utc | 193 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | May 9 2022 11:19 utc | 198 It is unlikely that Russia will suddenly turn ideologically to embrace socialism or communism and join China ideologically. Posted by: K | May 9 2022 11:36 utc | 199 Julian @186
Nonsense. There is always benefit in identifying the truth, if only to discourage similar events in the future. Just imagine if legal due process had been allowed in the Kennedy assassination. We might have avoided many destructive events in the following years. Posted by: echelon | May 9 2022 11:37 utc | 200 |
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