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May 7, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-60
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …
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From the Workers Party of Britain: “What does the bombing of Serbia in the early 90s have to teach us about what’s going on in Ukraine today? Red Star Radio’s Alexander Mckay talks to investigative journalist Kit Klarenberg on the Milosevic government, the role that Western intelligence services played in bringing it down, and how this has been replicated in Ukraine since 2014.” Posted by: Castellio | May 7 2022 15:41 utc | 1 This might be good for a concise review from Saker’s ‘Third Patriotic War” article this morning:
A similar sort of backtracking has been karlof1’s approach to the US historical antecedents. Always useful. And I was thinking the huge shock in the US was when at the turn of the century we the people lost the support of the Supreme Court in the argument over counting every vote. Posted by: juliania | May 7 2022 15:47 utc | 2 Scott Ritter does a nice 2 minute piece re. celebration of Victory day on his telegram channel. Posted by: jared | May 7 2022 15:54 utc | 3 I’ve seen even Moonies reuse the language crafted for us. What are the actual choices though? Posted by: language, message | May 7 2022 15:59 utc | 4 i did some astro work with a friend… i figure the way that mars-rahu-uranus conjunction hits zelensky and the 557pm ukraine chart indicates a change in leadership… the conjunction happens august 1st… lets see what happens right in that window of time.. it is a long ways away, but many here seemed to think this dynamic would be over quickly and the longer it goes on, the less likely that appears to me… Posted by: james | May 7 2022 16:05 utc | 5 @ language, message | May 7 2022 15:59 utc | 4 Posted by: james | May 7 2022 16:09 utc | 6 “…Some might suggest exactly 100 years ago in 1922, when the brain-syphilitic Lenin transferred from Russia the southern and eastern half of the present Ukraine to the Ukraine, as he wanted the pro-Communist industrial proletariat of the south and east to counterbalance the real Ukrainian agricultural north and west…” Posted by: bevin | May 7 2022 16:16 utc | 7 In ref to someone in the now dead thread about cargo planes leaving a US military base near him, it fits exactly what happened yesterday at the UN. Look at the dismaying answer to the French amb to the UN, considering as propaganda the dozens of testimonies taken live from the field (and which he did not even have the politeness to watch, joining the meeting after they were screened). He can be seen at 1’21 Posted by: Pushkin | May 7 2022 16:19 utc | 8 Following on from the economic sanctions on Russia from the West re Ukraine, there was a meeting to discuss a Cuba-Venezuela-Russia economic and security partnership in Cuba the other day according to a Spanish language Twitter post by an ex-Cuban spec ops officer who worked closely with Venezuelan security. Posted by: Cuban Cigar | May 7 2022 16:22 utc | 9 ot – nemesis calling and juliania….. this is an article i just read that you might be interested in… Posted by: james | May 7 2022 16:22 utc | 10 I have found a video of Ukrainian troops or security service arresting elderly people who are Russia friendly. Very educational and apparently produced by AP, which is surprising to me. Posted by: fanto | May 7 2022 16:23 utc | 11 Intel Slava reporting a white flag at Azovstal. Posted by: John Kennard | May 7 2022 16:26 utc | 12 Michael Parenti’s book, To Kill A Nation: The Attack On Yugoslavia, provides an outline and much more about the tactics of the CIA, the groundwork, the orchestration of cutouts and NGO’s, the fomenting of violence among disparate groups based upon ethnicity, stoking paranoia and fear/hatred of the other. Funding, arming, staging false flag events, and etc. Posted by: Chaka Khagan | May 7 2022 16:32 utc | 13 Posted by: John Kennard | May 7 2022 16:26 utc | 10 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 7 2022 16:32 utc | 14 Posted to : jared | Maj 7 2022 15:54 utc | 3 Posted by: Northern Eve | May 7 2022 16:33 utc | 15 @7 thank you, bevin, for correcting the record and reminding me why i avoid the saker like the plague. wonder what pepe escobar thinks of this blather, since he does recommend saker, if i recall. Posted by: lindaj | May 7 2022 16:33 utc | 16 General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine urgently asked Zelensky to order the withdrawal of his army from Severodonetsk, something that could repeat the fate of Mariupol. https://t.me/s/Slavyangrad Posted by: james | May 7 2022 16:41 utc | 17 Posted by: John Kennard | May 7 2022 16:26 utc | 10 Posted by: Sarmat | May 7 2022 16:41 utc | 18 Last Tuesday prime minister Boris Johnson made a speech via viedolink tob the Verkhovna Rada (Ukraine parliament) praising the Ukrainian Caesar, glorifying the fascists, and in the process baring his canine teeth like a pit bull terrier (or should that be a British Bulldog?). The speech is a sad reminder that oratory is dead and a woeful attempt to send the English language to the crematorium. @ bevin | May 7 2022 16:16 utc | 7 Posted by: InmateoftheSocialZoo | May 7 2022 16:45 utc | 20 Posted by: bevin | May 7 2022 16:16 utc | 7 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 7 2022 16:45 utc | 21 Either topple the Kiev Nazi leadership or go down in defeat. This has always been the case. Denazification, a woke notion without a verifiable endpoint. . . without decapitation. Which at least isn’t Hydra-headed, but does brings one straight back to the “Either topple the current Kiev leadership or lose” prospect. Posted by: Lars Lansing | May 7 2022 16:45 utc | 22 I’m very interested in the nationalities of those detainees. Posted by: John Kennard | May 7 2022 16:45 utc | 23 telegram – Slavyangrad – Gleb Bazov Posted by: james | May 7 2022 16:52 utc | 24 Almost daily there are provocations, in the hope Russia will lash out: Posted by: Passerby | May 7 2022 16:54 utc | 25 Posted by: bevin | Maj 7 2022 16:16 utc | 7 Posted by: Northern Eve | May 7 2022 17:00 utc | 26 Posted by: bevin | May 7 2022 16:16 utc | 7 Posted by: John Kennard | May 7 2022 17:18 utc | 27 @Lars Lansing | May 7 2022 16:45 utc | 20 Posted by: Ma Laoshi | May 7 2022 17:25 utc | 28 I am surprised that official declaration of Polish president went under the radar. There will be large and dangerous implication for Ukraine as a state. Posted by: Foggy | May 7 2022 17:37 utc | 29 Fanto # 9; Posted by: S Brennan | May 7 2022 17:44 utc | 30 @ John Kennard | May 7 2022 17:18 utc | 25 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 7 2022 17:45 utc | 31 Should have been “is an enemy of [OUR] making and choosing.” Posted by: S Brennan | May 7 2022 17:46 utc | 32 Ukraine is the new Afghanistan… for Us. Posted by: Ian Kummer | May 7 2022 17:48 utc | 33 @Lars Lansing #20 Posted by: c1ue | May 7 2022 17:50 utc | 34 @lindaj (14) I find The Saker valuable for its sitreps on the Ukraine War. I also appreciate certain writers who are published there. What does bother me are some of the strong Russian nationalists who hang out on the site, many of them virulently anti-semitic. Also, I’m not interested in the religious beliefs of the proprietor, but as its his website, he can write what he wants, and I can ignore it. Posted by: Rob | May 7 2022 18:07 utc | 35 The US method of bombing the crap out of a country but never “beating” the fighters on the other side; which Americans think “won” World War 2 in Europe but in which the Russian armies did the actual beating and which has since been utterly discredited in every other engagement, is the contrast. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 7 2022 18:16 utc | 36 Today’s NYT is running a story that claims that “Russian forces blew up three bridges over the last 24 hours, Ukrainian officials said, as they were forced back toward the northeast border of Kharkiv.” Since I mistrust anything appearing in the Times (other than the crossword puzzle), I wonder what is the true story. Does anyone have information on this? Posted by: Rob | May 7 2022 18:19 utc | 37 Photos from the liberated city of Popasnoye – a former stronghold of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the southern outskirts of the city. The most fortified area of defense of the Ukronazis. @7 Precisely. The only way Russia is able to survive at the moment is because it knows, for the first time in its history, that it has a future in the East. And that’s only possibly because of Mao and Mao was only possible due to Lenin, and Lenin was only possible because of Marx. Reactionaries may rant and rave all they want: the fact is that the future belongs to China, and China is only where it is because of Marxist communism. Posted by: Hidari | May 7 2022 18:27 utc | 39 The Donbas has a friend in Syria. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 7 2022 18:29 utc | 40 The drone that was used to attack Transnistra, the attempted bombing was thankfully thwarted came from Ukraine. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 7 2022 18:32 utc | 41 Russian state speaker at Duma says that by helping Ukraine’s Nazi’s with real time intelligence, the US has aided and abetted in their war crimes. I’d add that by supplying them with weapons that have killed civilians the US and Nato and the EU are also complicit in war crimes as well. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 7 2022 18:37 utc | 42 The CIA funded Reuters “news” outlet doctors a civilian woman’s words to fit the Wests narrative, the woman came from Mariupol. Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 7 2022 18:41 utc | 43 This morning Ukraine published a video form a Bayrakter-TP2 drone showing how it hit a Russian landing ship near Snake (Zmeinyi) Island (which the Russian have taken earlier.) There were additional claims of drone hits on Russian equipment on the island.
Why the Ukrainians would use their last functioning boat and their last helos and fighters for such an attempt is pretty inexplicable. They probably could have retaken the island but they do not have the means to hold onto it. Posted by: language, message | May 7 2022 15:59 utc | 4 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 7 2022 18:45 utc | 45 John Kennard@25 Posted by: bevin | May 7 2022 18:48 utc | 46 Two Azov leaders, Andriv Biletsky and Ihor Mosiychuk were also elected to Ukraine Parliament in 2014 and served until 2019. Both had been released from prison in Feb. 2014 as part of release of all alleged political prisoners. In Nov. 2014 Azov Battalion was formally integrated into Ukraine National Guard….”Azov Battalion: The Azov Battalion is an extreme-right nationalist paramilitary organization based in Ukraine.” stanford.edu, cisac.fsi.stanford.edu Posted by: susan mullen | May 7 2022 18:49 utc | 47 Posted by: b | May 7 2022 18:45 utc | 42 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 7 2022 18:50 utc | 48 adding to my post at @42 New briefing from MoD just out. Note that these briefings typically come twice a day. So if the numbers are correct then around 3000 enemy fighters have been eliminated the last 5 days. That’s one 9/11. Pity the KIAs aren’t Americans. Posted by: Sarmat | May 7 2022 18:54 utc | 50 “..Why the Ukrainians would use their last functioning boat and their last helos and fighters for such an attempt is pretty inexplicable…” b@42 Posted by: bevin | May 7 2022 19:00 utc | 51 Posted by: bevin | May 7 2022 19:00 utc | 49 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 7 2022 19:06 utc | 53 S Brennan @28 said; Posted by: vetinLA | May 7 2022 19:11 utc | 54 Tom_Q_Collins | May 7 2022 18:50 utc | 46 Posted by: Hausmeister | May 7 2022 19:12 utc | 55 Posted by: language, message | May 7 2022 15:59 utc | 4 Posted by: Lucci | May 7 2022 19:14 utc | 56 A Null @ 29 opined:”But then again, I’m forced to ask myself: Have Amy and Jeffrey and Noam just recently lost all allegiance to truth, or am I amazingly slow-witted? Evidence strongly indicates the latter. Oh dear! Posted by: vetinLA | May 7 2022 19:20 utc | 57 Posted by: John Kennard | May 7 2022 17:18 utc | 25
Saker is a gatekeeper, October Revolution was a Color Revolution executed by Zionist Jews and it is funny watching you guys play the j game here at MoA. Posted by: Vajezatha | May 7 2022 19:24 utc | 58 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 7 2022 17:45 utc | 29 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 7 2022 19:26 utc | 59 Another one bites the dust, this time Rev. William Barber and the Poor People’s Campaign, according to Margaret Kimberley at (another) BAR:
https://www.blackagendareport.com/poor-peoples-campaign-dishonors-martin-luther-king Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 7 2022 19:27 utc | 60 October Revolution was a Color Revolution executed by Zionist Jews and it is funny watching you guys play the j game here at MoA. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 7 2022 19:30 utc | 61 Have I missed something more recent from Chomsky where he’s fully on board with the NATO/FUKUS narrative platform? Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 7 2022 19:34 utc | 62 @ Tom_Q_Collins | May 7 2022 18:45 utc | 43 Posted by: james | May 7 2022 19:36 utc | 63 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 7 2022 19:34 utc Posted by: Lucci | May 7 2022 19:37 utc | 64 @ Tom_Q_Collins | May 7 2022 19:26 utc | 57 Posted by: james | May 7 2022 19:41 utc | 65 Castellio | May 7 2022 15:41 utc | 1 Posted by: JB | May 7 2022 19:42 utc | 66 Yeah looks like he is. Pat Tillman about to disclose something to Noam Chomsky before he’s murdered and subsequently have the murder covered by US military. Posted by: Lucci | May 7 2022 19:44 utc | 67 telegram – “The pumping of Ukraine with Western weapons is intensifying. Only on May 5, 23 boards arrived at the Polish airport of Rzeszów.” Posted by: james | May 7 2022 19:47 utc | 68 Posted by: Vajezatha | May 7 2022 19:24 utc | 56
He is a Russian nationalist and anticommunist, which makes him about 3 pubic hairs separated from a fascist.
And you are separated one hair tops, if any… Posted by: hopehely | May 7 2022 19:48 utc | 69 @ Lucci | May 7 2022 19:37 utc | 62 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 7 2022 19:50 utc | 70 @ Foggy Posted by: Altai | May 7 2022 19:55 utc | 71 Posted by: james | May 7 2022 19:36 utc | 61 and 63 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 7 2022 19:55 utc | 72 Pat Tillman’s story is just a notable highlight of official disrespect for military troops and veterans in USA. Numerous army bases and one infamous navy ship are noted for outbreaks of suicides and unexplained disappearances today. We treat soldiers like experimental subjects. My mentor was a Navy medic attached to Marine Corps Test Unit One, assigned to observe a nuclear blast, then to march over the fused sand. They haven’t yet scrubbed all details of this historic domestic atrocity from Wiki: Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 7 2022 19:59 utc | 73 In a few weeks/months the Ukrainian Army will cease to exist as a coherent fighting force. Unless US and/or NATO intervene, the Russian Army will be able to operate anywhere they like in Ukraine without any real opposition. If the Russian Army needs to take Kiev or Odessa then it’ll be easier that it would be now. Occupying hostile parts of Ukraine could be painful in the long run but for residents of western Ukraine, living in an independent Galicia would be preferable to living under the Russians. Ukraine will most likely never return to it’s pre-2014 borders. Posted by: Ghost Ship | May 7 2022 20:01 utc | 74 In response to Tom_Q_Collins@46, Posted by: Skiffer | May 7 2022 20:12 utc | 75 Those influential mediators aren’t worried about the Ukrainians, just their own foreign citizens. Posted by: Kaiama | May 7 2022 20:18 utc | 76 Ok, so the famous Vali is back home. Posted by: hopehely | May 7 2022 20:20 utc | 77 Posted by: Skiffer | May 7 2022 20:12 utc | 73 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 7 2022 20:20 utc | 78 I am looking forward to Putin’s speech on May 9th. Posted by: psychohistorian | May 7 2022 20:24 utc | 79 bevin @7 and other commentators– Posted by: hopehely | May 7 2022 19:48 utc | 67
Oh, another Anti-Semite !!! Posted by: Vajezatha | May 7 2022 20:31 utc | 81 Oh, another Anti-Semite !!! Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 7 2022 20:35 utc | 82 Lest we forget, Noam Chomsky is 93 years old. He was already an old man quite a few years ago. I think we can probably cut him some slack. Posted by: Rob | May 7 2022 20:37 utc | 83 In response to Tom_Q_Collins@76, Posted by: Skiffer | May 7 2022 20:38 utc | 84 psychohistorian @77– From Russians With Attitude Telegram channel about the Snake Island operation:
Posted by: Ricardo Ramirez | May 7 2022 20:39 utc | 86 This is footage of the attack by two Ukrainian S-27’s on snake island. (From Ukie drones). It was serious and there must have been quite some damage to the Russian installations. Posted by: Stonebird | May 7 2022 20:41 utc | 87 Posted by: Skiffer | May 7 2022 20:12 utc | 73 Posted by: Lucci | May 7 2022 20:53 utc | 88 “There are options for creating a “tragedy”, but the effectiveness must be several times higher than it was from the tragedy in Kramatorsk.” Posted by: Palindroman | May 7 2022 20:56 utc | 89 We have descended from Empire to Vampire, sucking lifeblood from the people of Ukraine for the sustenance of an impotent unipolar narrative. Posted by: Activist Potato | May 7 2022 20:57 utc | 90 #—Posted by: Chaka Khagan | May 7 2022 16:32 utc | 11 Posted by: Anne B | May 7 2022 21:01 utc | 91 In response to Lucci@86, Posted by: Skiffer | May 7 2022 21:06 utc | 92 Posted by: Skiffer | May 7 2022 21:06 utc | 90 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 7 2022 21:09 utc | 93 Rob @35 Posted by: Chas | May 7 2022 21:14 utc | 94 Duma Speaker: Outlaw US Empire should be at top of War Criminals List. Outlaw US Empire’s National Security Council confesses guilt: In response to Tom_Q_Collins@91, Posted by: Skiffer | May 7 2022 21:21 utc | 96 #–Posted by: hopehely | May 7 2022 19:48 utc | 67 Posted by: Anne B | May 7 2022 21:24 utc | 97 Sputnik item on “Snake” Island atack: Posted by: Activist Potato | May 7 2022 20:57 utc | 88 Posted by: Sarmat | May 7 2022 21:45 utc | 100 |
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