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May 1, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-58
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Pepe’s latest, “Clash of Christianities: Why Europe cannot understand Russia” is another fine work from the master of deep historical chiaroscuro. He introduces the concept of Moscow as the “Third Rome” (Constantinople/Istanbul the “Second Rome”), through the Christian divide, concluding with Katherine’s founding of Odessa — and even some optimism for Operation Z. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 2 2022 0:55 utc | 201 Look real to me Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 2 2022 0:59 utc | 202 Antiwar Dinosaur #81
Consider this: Nato not only wants a long war, it wants a major victory for a totally fascist controlled army in the centre of europe. An army that has total control over the government of Ukraine. It has yearned for this since before the transformation of the USSR into the Russian Federation. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 2 2022 1:07 utc | 203 @ Dadda | May 2 2022 0:47 utc | 196 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 2 2022 1:19 utc | 204 Posted by: Eric Newhill | May 1 2022 17:43 utc | 59 Posted by: sln2002 | May 2 2022 1:20 utc | 205 Posted by: Dadda | May 2 2022 0:47 utc | 196 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 1:21 utc | 206 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 2 2022 1:19 utc | 200 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 1:23 utc | 207 The US is FUBAR. Nazi Pelosi, or Skeletors Bride, is a symptom of the corruption, grift and rot that is Pox Americana. Posted by: Immaculute deception | May 2 2022 1:26 utc | 208 Re: bevin | May 1 2022 21:59 utc | 152 Posted by: Perimetr | May 2 2022 1:32 utc | 209 Posted by: sln2002 | May 2 2022 1:20 utc | 201 Posted by: Eric Newhill | May 2 2022 1:36 utc | 210 Opport Knocks #102
I disagree. IMO Chomsky is plain wrong and I will grant him the defence of being aged and sometimes fuzzy on best judgement. Being in that aged category myself, I am aware of my occasional blunders and poor judgments. I know I have expressed those follies here ;} Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 2 2022 1:44 utc | 211 Eric Newhill @ 59: Posted by: Jen | May 2 2022 1:45 utc | 212 Fellow Barflies, Posted by: CarlD | May 2 2022 1:46 utc | 213 What do we make of the harm to Russians from the Covid-19 vaccines, the intention to have digital ID, and Russia being in the IMF and the Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation wishing to be under the thumb of WHO? Is it not feasible after Covid-19 pandemic was unleashed and the harm from vaccination arising that the next step to the Global Totalitarian State requires war in Europe to force nations into the NWO? Further, since Biden is hopelessly senile and totally corrupt, his bumbling war for the Ukraine strengthens China and Russia. China being beloved by the WEF and Russia until the tactical “split” with Schwab was making haste to fit in. – Russia will take a leading role in shaping the trajectory of the Fourth Industrial Revolution. Today, leaders from the Russian Federation and the World Economic Forum announced the Centre for the Fourth Industrial Revolution Russia. Posted by: Stegiel | May 2 2022 1:51 utc | 214 Perimetr@205 Posted by: bevin | May 2 2022 2:01 utc | 215 Posted by: Jonathan W | May 1 2022 21:01 utc | 131
COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN RELATIONS: JOHN F. KERRY, Chair, BARBARA BOXER, DICK LUGAR, BOB MENENDEZ, BOB CORKER, BEN CARDIN, JAMES E. RISCH, BOB CASEY, MARCO RUBIO, JIM WEBB, JAMES M. INHOFE, JEANNE SHAHEEN,JIM DeMINT, CHRIS COONS, JOHNNY ISAKSON, DICK DURBIN, JOHN BARRASSO, TOM UDALL, MIKE LEE Posted by: sln2002 | May 2 2022 2:02 utc | 216 Just heard on the news that Germany will be energy independent by summer. This I have to see. Posted by: Immaculute deception | May 2 2022 2:02 utc | 217 @ K | May 1 2022 22:59 utc | 165 Posted by: james | May 2 2022 2:08 utc | 219 Finally, if Lloyd Austin married Samantha Powers, would he change his last name to Austin- Powers? Yeah baby! I’m done for the day. Posted by: I’mmaculate deceptio | May 2 2022 2:08 utc | 220 Eva Bartlett Interviewed by the redacted youtube channel. Posted by: Jimmy | May 2 2022 2:11 utc | 221 fyi Posted by: michaelj72 | May 2 2022 2:12 utc | 222 this building in kiev, appears to be the same building in a picture on cbc news today Posted by: james | May 2 2022 2:19 utc | 223 Jimmy #168
No its not. This is a misinformation piece of propaganda. This person is not just ‘somebody in switzerland’ read the bloody introduction and his bio. He is an agent of NATO – life long.
So that makes Switzerland by deliberation complicit in the dissemination of slav hatred, nazi resurgence and development strategies of NATO.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 2 2022 2:29 utc | 225 Thanks for that clarification, bevin. I can accept the explanation that Stalin was resistant to repositioning the depots. I know that after the massive purge of the Soviet officer corps in the late 1930s, there probably were very few in the military who would want to argue with Stalin about anything. Posted by: Perimetr | May 2 2022 2:30 utc | 226 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 2 2022 1:44 utc | 207 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 2:35 utc | 227 I think Trump’s term in the Whitehouse was very intriguing on the issue of Russia/NATO/Ukraine and the internal US political crisis that has been brewing since Sept 1/21. With respect to Ukraine & Russia. I spent the last few years watching the Atlantic council & council on Foreign relations publicly available discussions on youtube and it’s very interesting what they say (and dont say) about Trump, the Obama and Biden administrations. Posted by: Kadath | May 2 2022 2:44 utc | 228 The Ukraine War is just a battle in a much larger war, WWIII really, which started years ago, with the spasms of a dying empire. With nuclear weapons, wars really are “existential”. Do the empire seeks domination economically and through subversion such as color revolutions and coups and support for self-destructive fanatics — and proxy wars, such as the Ukraine. The Empire is not just one of “Lies”; it is one of “Delusions” for it cannot win, without adaptation but its goals are retrogressive. It is a static culture. Eurasia is much more dynamic. Great challenges, which are for them existential, drive adaptation and change, and sideline ideology. https://julianmacfarlane.substack.com/p/why-rome-fell-and-the-us-will-too?s=w Posted by: Julian Macfarlane | May 2 2022 2:51 utc | 229 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 2 2022 2:29 utc | 221
Does that sound like “propaganda for NATO”?
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I can’t see it. You’ll need to be much more specific about where you see “propaganda” in his report. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 2:58 utc | 230 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 2 2022 2:29 utc | 221
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I can’t see it. You’re going to have to be more specific about where in those quotes is “NATO propaganda”. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 3:10 utc | 231 @125 Obamavirus: Trump did the opposite of what you say, he kept no promises, did the opposite of what he promised. First, he was elected only because he promised every day without condition to build a wall starting on day 1. I listened very closely. If he’d once said he’d be asking congress for either money or permission to build, I’d never have listened to another word he said. Because 100% of congress is rabidly open borders. If Hillary on tv had asked if he intended to ask congress for money, he’d have said yes, and she would’ve won. Second, he said he’d roll back US foreign aggression, use of military, endless wars, normalize relations with Russia, and stop US being ‘Big Stupid Bully.’ He immediately did the opposite. By April 2017, he’d bombed Syria for no reason, with no proof, merely on complaint of terrorists US used as foot soldiers in US illegal war in Syria to remove Assad. He treated as gospel unvetted obviously fake pictures of children, Ivanka was upset. Trump bombed Syria again a year later for the same reason, US-backed jihadists complained. In April 2017 he also dropped on Afghan. the largest bomb the US has. In April 2017 Trump publicly turned over all military decisions, his Comdr in Chief duty, to the Pentagon, ‘his generals,’ effectively nullifying his own election. In 2018 and 2019, ‘his generals’ dropped record #s of bombs on Afghan. In August 2017, in a televised speech Trump said he changed his views on US foreign aggression, endless Mid East wars, now thinks they’re needed. During 2017 a united House and Senate removed all matters regarding Russia from his authority and transferred them to the Senate. Thus the world knew that Trump had no power whatsoever and was a global joke. This situation was discussed among attendees at a 2018 NATO meeting, so it was well known. He should’ve resigned, but the most important thing to him was to elevate Jared and Ivanka on the world stage. Apparently you’re unaware that Jared ran the White House, that his views were the opposite of 2016 Trump voters whom he despised, made all important decisions, ran Trump’s re-election campaign horribly, even invited Karl Rove and other GOP Estab. back into the fold. Jared also staffs and runs all Trump’s income producing post pres. family business, PACs, Am. First groups, etc., all staffed with open borders globalists. Jared in 2019 merged Trump fundraising with the RNC and Winred–Henry Barbour is thrilled. Trump hiring of Elliott Abrams was reason for his 2016 voters to call for his resignation. By that time, Trump was a worse neocon than the Bushes. Re: Ukraine, Trump sent two shipments of javelins to Ukr to kill Russians–which even Obama wouldn’t do. He ordered the first shipment in 2017 which was sent in 2018. He even bragged about this at a So. Carolina rally this year. He recently said he’s told Putin he’d bomb Moscow if he ever invaded Ukr. As to the attacks on Eastern Ukraine civilians, they most certainly took place while he was in office. They began in 2014 when his idol Soros was in charge of US Ukraine policy, insisted civilians there should be shot every day, wanted their children to grow up in basements. Posted by: susan mullen | May 2 2022 3:14 utc | 232 WWIII really, which started years ago, with the spasms of a dying empire Posted by: sln | May 2 2022 3:24 utc | 233 James @ 219, 220: Posted by: Jen | May 2 2022 3:27 utc | 234 @ uncle tungsten | May 2 2022 2:29 utc | 221 Posted by: james | May 2 2022 3:37 utc | 235 Kadath@224 – Absolutely brilliant. Thanks for that insight. Posted by: PavewayIV | May 2 2022 3:41 utc | 236 Richard Steven Hack #223
The ‘system administrators’ of the USA are likely to have a plan in mind that goes like this: Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 2 2022 3:45 utc | 237 Jen #229
Some thoughts – is there any video? I can’t imagine such a meeting and no video. That might tell us something. Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 2 2022 3:57 utc | 238 Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 2 2022 3:45 utc | 232 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 3:59 utc | 239 Watched the Twitter video of Pelosi. Notice how they have a long march down a stretch of street, then two cuts to the front of the building, then inside – which could be any office anywhere. No clue where any of that is. But clearly the long march was done to prove they are in Kiev. Whether it does or not I have no clue – and don’t particularly care, either. But that they have to make the effort to prove they are in Kiev is suspicious in itself. Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 4:05 utc | 240 Biden has been trying to shake hands with thin air lately. He quite likely just signs his name to whatever is put in front of him. I often wonder if he was put in place to take the blame for whatever these clowns are planning. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 2 2022 4:06 utc | 241 @ uncle tungsten | May 2 2022 3:57 utc | 234 Posted by: james | May 2 2022 4:08 utc | 242 This is clearly a Kiev laundromat Posted by: Grieved | May 2 2022 4:08 utc | 243 Freedom from the nazi captors of azovstal: Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 2 2022 4:10 utc | 244 The actual video of the Pelosi visit makes it look much more realistic. Since I do not have access to her schedule I will leave that to others. At this point I wish I never brought it up. Posted by: circumspect | May 2 2022 4:10 utc | 245 Posted by: circumspect | May 2 2022 4:10 utc | 241 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 4:14 utc | 246 Posted by: Grieved | May 2 2022 4:08 utc | 239 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 4:15 utc | 247 @ circumspect | May 2 2022 4:10 utc | 241 Posted by: james | May 2 2022 4:21 utc | 248 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 2 2022 4:06 utc | 237 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 4:24 utc | 249 Time magazine has a new cover story on Adolph, whoops, Zelensky. per Caitlin Johnstone. Posted by: pretzelattack | May 2 2022 4:33 utc | 250 Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 2 2022 4:06 utc | 237 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 2 2022 4:34 utc | 251 Putin pulled a fast one I think. US and et al send in Guterres to try ad get their vip’s out of Mariupol. Both UN and red cross reps rock up and Azov had to release a number of hostages. They will go through screening but the majority seemed genuine. Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 2 2022 4:43 utc | 252 Bevin, I fail to see how Unz’s “revisionism” through the work of not only Suvorov but also David Irving and others who have been silenced by Jewish interests via lawsuits, hurts Putin currently against the west. Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 2 2022 5:14 utc | 253 Posted by: Dadda | May 2 2022 0:47 utc | 196 Posted by: Dadda | May 2 2022 5:20 utc | 254 Per quanto riguarda il desiderio di Stalin di attaccare la Germania , leggo al capitolo II del libro Il Pilota di Ferro di Hans u. RUDEL, asso degli stuka della Luftwaffe , sui primi giorni di bombardamento dell’operazione “Barbarossa”:” … su tutte le strade vediamo grandi quantità di carri armati con le loro colonne di rifornimenti. Sono in maggioranza KW1, KW2 , E T34.Lasciamo cadere le nostre bombe sui carri e sulle batterie contraeree , poi mitragliamo le fanterie , quindi tornati al campo ,facciamo il pieno di munizioni e partiamo………….. Fin dai primi voli notiamo innumerevoli opere di fortificazione lungo la frontiera; spesso queste posizioni sono profonde centinaia di chilometri nell’interno della Russia…così vedendo sfilare sotto di noi a perdita d’occhio trinceramenti , aeroporti e strade militari ,non possiamo impedirci di pensare che è stata una fortuna l’aver preso l’iniziativa delle operazioni! Posted by: Carlo | May 2 2022 5:24 utc | 255 … Makes wonder if that was set up as a headquarters for the – what was – coming attack on Donbas and by extention Russia. Posted by: anon2020 | May 2 2022 5:26 utc | 256 Would ever our Jewish Banking overlords in the west condone a reapproximation of the moral rectitude of the NSDAP and affirm any form of nationalism? Would this truly benefit them one iota? Posted by: K | May 2 2022 5:29 utc | 257 … Makes wonder if that was set up as a headquarters for the – what was – coming attack on Donbas and by extention Russia. Posted by: anon2020 | May 2 2022 5:35 utc | 258 I think the serious problem with Russia is that it’s severely demographically underperforming and the present economic model, oligarchic, likely isn’t helping–it’s just so hollow, even fascist, as oligarchy tends to be. What Russia ideally should have done is redistributed its resource wealth far better, thereby increasing its population, ideally resulting in a baby boom, aiming for a population of at least 200 million. This would mean a significantly bigger internal consumer economy and a significantly bigger population than any of its European rivals, although alas not as big as the US’s. Obviously more population is a strategic defense in itself, making the country harder to conventionally conquer and dismember without resorting all but exclusively to the nuclear defensive threat. As it stands, the Russian politico-cultural paradigm seems quite hollow indeed, verging on the fascist-adjacent, meaning Sovietism without the egalitarian universalism. Posted by: MallardB | May 2 2022 5:40 utc | 259 @Aleph_Null | May 2 2022 0:10 utc | 185
Yes, this is a form of obedience training. It is done deliberately. If you point out the fakery you can be called a “conspiracy theorist”. If you don’t, they have succeeded in breaking down logic and reason. This is the work of psychopaths. Posted by: Norwegian | May 2 2022 5:42 utc | 260 Posted by: MallardB | May 2 2022 5:40 utc | 257 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 2 2022 5:47 utc | 261 @254 k Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 2 2022 5:54 utc | 262 I suggest those with all types of arcane imperialist motives for why BidenCorp® is determined to maintain the proxy war for as long as possible, consider Mike Hudson’s comments to Halper & Mate in his interview on useful idiots. Posted by: Debsisdead | May 2 2022 5:57 utc | 263 @8,12 and 15: Posted by: Rootman | May 2 2022 5:57 utc | 264 On closer inspection I agree with the teeth position comments. What a zombie stone face! Posted by: Norwegian | May 2 2022 6:01 utc | 265 Posted by: Debsisdead | May 2 2022 5:57 utc | 261 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 2 2022 6:10 utc | 266 NemesisCalling | May 2 2022 5:54 utc | 260 Posted by: IACW | May 2 2022 6:29 utc | 267 @circumspect #75 Posted by: Tim | May 2 2022 6:49 utc | 268 Jacob Dreizin from two days ago: Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 6:49 utc | 269 @Hausmeister #76 Posted by: Tim | May 2 2022 6:57 utc | 270 From Rybar Telegram channel… Apparently the US plan is to starve the Ukrainians as well as get them killed, and then blame the Russians for a “new Holodomor”…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 6:59 utc | 271 Posted by: Tim | May 2 2022 6:49 utc | 267 Posted by: pretzelattack | May 2 2022 7:07 utc | 272 From Rybar Telegram channel…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 7:07 utc | 273 From Rybar Telegram channel… Ukraine is trying to preserve and repair their rail network…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 7:11 utc | 274 A 2016 French TV special investigation broadcast on Canal+. The Ukrainian Embassy in Paris asked for this documentary to be taken off air. Ukraine – Masks of the Revolution. It shows very well the power that Right Sektor and Azov had at the time. Posted by: NotEinstein | May 2 2022 7:14 utc | 275 @Debsisdead #261 Posted by: Tim | May 2 2022 7:14 utc | 276 @pretzelattack #271 Posted by: Tim | May 2 2022 7:17 utc | 277 From https://t.me/polkovnik_hodarenok Telegram channel… Comment on Russian aircraft losses..
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 7:18 utc | 278 Comment from Army_Russia Telegram channel on the Poseidon nuclear drone submarine…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 7:24 utc | 279 @Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 4:05 utc | 236
It is a very odd video, the initial wide angle scene where they are walking towards the camera with buildings in the background could be real or faked against a green screen. Notice the guy walking with a suitcase across behind them (how is that allowed in this high security environment??), and notice his feet disappearing in front of the green grass… Posted by: Norwegian | May 2 2022 7:25 utc | 280 Circumspect @ 241: Posted by: Jen | May 2 2022 7:27 utc | 281 Re: Come and See Posted by: JulianJ | May 2 2022 7:28 utc | 282 I’ll join the vragtes train if that’s ok ? Nothing personal but there are a multitude of issues raised in that comment. I’ll stick to one point. Economic. Posted by: DunGroanin | May 2 2022 7:37 utc | 283 From ColonelCassad Telegram channel… Recap of events as of May 1 evening… Note highlighted parts…
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 2 2022 7:40 utc | 284 Posted by: Norwegian | May 2 2022 7:25 utc | 279 Posted by: anon2020 | May 2 2022 7:52 utc | 285 Posted by: JulianJ | May 2 2022 7:28 utc | 281
Respectfully, there is no ‘flaw’, the subject units conduct you reference is a homogenized representation of the absolutely routine operations & actual conduct of formal Einsatzgruppen (Killing Units) detachments, as well as Police & Security units as well as attached, under-command regular Wehrmacht sub-units formations up to 2nd line Division scale when conducting so called ‘cleansing'(genocide), anti-partisan operations & sweeps … throughout the war. Posted by: IACW | May 2 2022 8:12 utc | 286 Norwegian | May 2 2022 7:25 utc | 279 Posted by: Lapin | May 2 2022 9:17 utc | 287 Now, this will become interesting. Posted by: TomD | May 2 2022 10:07 utc | 288 270 – US trade unions had not been eviscerated yet, but the process was starting. There had been appreciable Communist influence in some unions, and undermining this was a key objective after WW2. This was eventually achieved, sometimes by setting up overtly anti-Communist unions while legally harassing pro-Communist ones or individual activists. One cost was that US trade unions lost much of their militancy and even purpose. Posted by: Waldorf | May 2 2022 10:17 utc | 289 @Lapin | May 2 2022 9:17 utc | 292 Posted by: Norwegian | May 2 2022 10:19 utc | 290 280 – I know someone who had a severe reaction to the Covid vaccine, a youngish man but with other health problems. Basically he was bed-ridden for several days after getting a booster. Posted by: Waldorf | May 2 2022 10:22 utc | 291 On a lighter note .. Posted by: Stevelancs | May 2 2022 11:40 utc | 292 #—AND for his intrepid support for the restoration of fascism throughout europe – a life in prison. Posted by: Anne B | May 2 2022 11:57 utc | 293 #—Posted by: Eric Newhill | May 2 2022 0:36 utc | 196 Posted by: Anne B | May 2 2022 12:23 utc | 294 Now I assume the Mr. Lavrov measures every word he utters, which make this situation doubly funny. Lavrov knows what he is talking about. Posted by: Tom_12 | May 2 2022 12:56 utc | 295 @170 circumspect | May 1 2022 22:59 utc Posted by: S.O. | May 2 2022 12:59 utc | 296 House Republican Introduces Bill To Give Biden Sweeping Authorities To Wage War in Ukraine
Posted by: JinBox | May 2 2022 13:24 utc | 297 “…You better know the answer to that. Otherwise, you would be most clearly operating out of the shadows of bad faith, which, all along, I have believed you have been.” Posted by: bevin | May 2 2022 13:50 utc | 298 Ukrainian strike on Donetsk market was a terrorist act (RT, Eva Bartlett, April 30, 2022 — link is to archive.org to avoid blocking in Western countries)
Posted by: S | May 2 2022 13:52 utc | 299 “At this point I wish I never brought it up.” Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 2 2022 14:04 utc | 300 |
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