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May 1, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-58

Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …

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The “Powers That (should not) Be” have been greenscreening events for thirty years.
1. It is unsafe to travel to and have meetups in Kiev or anywhere else in a war zone.
2. The infrastructure no longer exists or it has become unreliable and dangerous.
3. Nancy Pelosi is not going to sit on a train for six hours. Even under the best conditions.
4. Certainly not going to risk her life. She loves money and ice cream too much.
5. Same goes for any other US politician or Blinken State Dept official.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | May 1 2022 19:39 utc | 95
Indeed. It is all show business anyway.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 1 2022 19:45 utc | 101

@ Obamavirus
Trump was one of the Zionist junta’s most eager servants. Heck, that junta was literally family.
Maybe Trump would have negotiated with Putin; maybe he would have tried to Soleimani him. We’ll never know for sure…well, maybe we will sometime shortly after 20 January 2025.

Posted by: malenkov | May 1 2022 19:46 utc | 102

Hausmeister,
All sanctions give west the supply shortish they long for.
This under assumption Scwabb and Bill Gates control there young
leaders in the planed way for depopulation.
I hope Putin don’t invite Scwabb more. Putin have many disturbing
connection ex Kissinger . Medvedev gave okay to bomb Libya, Putin
keep the central bank under foreign control. But Putin is a quick
learner and find his true friends now. Even germany during ww2 had less
sanctions than russia now. And the demonization of Russians are worse.
Something is not right, i blame media concentration and weak leader
that don’t dare to speak the good for the people.

Posted by: Sveno | May 1 2022 19:46 utc | 103

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 1 2022 15:17 utc | 24
“BTG will be covered from the air.”
F-16’s, meet Mr. S-400. Not to mention an overwhelming larger Russian Air Force with better planes (and probably better pilots if the West’s side is not fielding American pilots.)
NATO nominally has 3,527 fighters vs Russia’s 772, but how many of them can actually go to the battlezone? NATO reportedly has 100 aircraft on high alert, and can presumably double or triple that. But they will be entering the heaviest AD they have ever faced. Even if most of that AD is inside Russia and away from western Ukraine, Russia can certainly move some into Belarus to cover the area and further west into Ukraine once the Donbass situation is resolved. There is also the AD provided by the Russian Black Sea fleet.
Not to mention that every airfield within the AO will be destroyed by Russian missile strikes. At the very least Poland can forget having functional airfields.
It will depend on whether NATO can be pushed to support Poland’s “adventure”. Poland is entering in this campaign allegedly as a national endeavor, not a NATO endeavor. This means they cannot legallycall on Article 5 of the NATO Charter to get NATO support once they come under attack by Russia. However, I think it’s clear that the US and NATO will not respect the NATO Charter’s rules in this regard.
So the issue will be: how soon will it be apparent that the Polish incursion is failing badly? The minute they cross the border – and perhaps before – they will be hit by as many as 500-1,000 Russian missiles (based on recent Russian attacks in Ukraine) and full Russian air power and support from the Black Sea Fleet. There is also the possibility that whatever Russian forces remain in Belarus – and perhaps Belarussian forces themselves – will commit on the ground.
I don’t see any chance of this incursion succeeding. The only question is how far will NATO go to support Poland? Because that leads directly to a full-on Russia-NATO war. And that is becoming more likely by the day as the actual goal of the US neocons – sacrificing NATO in order to bleed Russia, as I’ve suggested before.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 19:47 utc | 104

Pat Buchanan raises a crisp point I have not heard elsewhere:

Does a war to bleed the other side to death also contradict the moral conditions for a just war?

This “just war” concept is so 20th-century — “paleoconservative” perhaps?

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 1 2022 19:47 utc | 105

“His name is Donald J. Trump,” Chomsky says.

He needs to join Biden in a rest home.
Posted by: circumspect | May 1 2022 18:45 utc | 75

I am not a fan, but do not view Trump as a pariah either. With respect to the Ukraine conflict, it is worth noting that nothing much happened in Eastern Ukraine during his 4-year tenure. Not so coincidentally, that was the time that Nuland and the rest of the Kagan clan (Straussians as per Thierry Meyssan) were no longer in positions of influence.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | May 1 2022 19:49 utc | 106

Today is Workers’ Day…Let’s keep it alive!
Posted by: donten | May 1 2022 19:10 utc | 80
***
Oh it lives, no matter how deeply the capitalists try to bury consciousness:
*
“Extermination Plan: destroy the grass, pull up every last little living thing by the roots, sprinkle the earth with salt. Afterwards, kill all memory of the grass. To colonize consciences, suppress them; to suppress them, empty them of the past. Wipe out all testimony to the fact that in this land there ever existed anything other than silence, jails and tombs.
“It is forbidden to remember.
“Prisoners are organized into work gangs. At night they are forced to whitewash the phrases of protest that in other times covered the walls of the city.
“The steady pelting of rain on the walls begins to dissolve the white paint. And little by little the stubborn words reappear.”
—Eduardo Galeano, from Days and Nights of Love and War
*
“The steady pelting of rain…” A storm is coming.

Posted by: Vintage Red | May 1 2022 19:50 utc | 107

Three years ago, just around 4 a.m. on May 2nd, a rare angel on earth, my mother, quietly passed into the arms of eternity. Allow me to share this exquisite video to honor her memory.:
https://youtu.be/kdfGonQGFyc
《3:23-3:39》

Posted by: Circe | May 1 2022 19:52 utc | 108

…the heart of this people is grown fat
hearing they will hear and not hear
seeing they will see and NAZI…(see! the bible has lots of great lessons for our time. like: you can never trust an employer.)

Posted by: rjb1.5 | May 1 2022 19:57 utc | 109

@Posted by: AParadiseLost | May 1 2022 18:13 utc | 67
US and European companies have huge investments in China, the Chinese government can simply take these in exchange for any stolen US$ bond holdings. The US would also destroy all trust in the US government bond market if they made such a seizure.

Posted by: Roger | May 1 2022 19:58 utc | 110

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 1 2022 16:32 utc | 44
” Russia needs a new strategy . . .and a new foreign minister to implement it.”
Well, “I am on record for many years” (to quote Martyanov’s favorite line) that I think that is exactly what will be and is being done.
And the Russian Foreign Minister’s job is not to manage that. His job is to manage relations once the new strategy has been implemented, i.e., produce a compliant, pro-Russian Ukrainian government. Russia doesn’t need anything more than that – a government that will allow Russia to place strategic weapons on its soil. Implementing the new strategy is the job of other Russian departments such as the SVR, GRU, and FSB, as well as the economic departments of Russia. Controlling a government requires intelligence and economic measures (once the military issues have been sorted out, as they are currently.)
The ultimate guarantee of that objective will take a generation or two of work of re-educating the population. But the immediate goal of a compliant government could be achievable within a year.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 20:03 utc | 111

Posted by: Vragtes | May 1 2022 14:05 utc | 10
“It is time to negotiate a peace that protects the peoples of all areas and allows them to live with their families free from the fear of being bombed.”
Good luck with that. All you have to do is change human nature.
I’d like to eat ice cream all day and still weight 155 lbs. “That Ain’t Gonna Happen.”

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 20:07 utc | 112

More civilians released from Azovstal today. But what is in the catacombs?
https://johnplatinumgoss.com/2022/05/01/azovstal-the-pit-and-the-pendulum/

Posted by: John Goss | May 1 2022 20:08 utc | 113

@Arvy 88
So you can’t set out Putin’s ideology that distinguishes it from the neocons. Saying the majority of the Russian population supports what Russia’s doing tells us nothing about his ideologies.

Posted by: Vragtes | May 1 2022 20:09 utc | 114

…the actual goal of the US neocons – sacrificing NATO in order to bleed Russia, as I’ve suggested before.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 19:47 utc | 100
But the question is: can the US afford to sacrifice NATO? How to control Europe without NATO? Without Europe and NATO whom can they push around?

Posted by: Pagan | May 1 2022 20:10 utc | 115

https://www.president.gov.ua/en/photos/zustrich-prezidenta-ukrayini-zi-spikerom-palati-predstavniki-4617
Just looking at the pictures, not an expert by any means, it looks photo shopped. It appears to be superimposed images. I will let the pixal police deal with photos.
Posted by: circumspect | May 1 2022 18:29 utc | 70
At this writing, the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pictures of Pelosi are so obviously composited that it’s really quite embarrassing. All three composites feature the exact same Pelosi – superimposed against three different backgrounds. Seeing through absurdly transparent phoniness like this qualifies you to get banned from corporate social media, so be careful!

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 1 2022 20:12 utc | 116

fyi
anyone disagree with this?
https://twitter.com/SNMilitary/status/1520338930721333248
MI NEWS @SNMilitary
The only thing which safeguards European Security is a Putin’s patience.
4:47 AM · Apr 30, 2022·
305 Retweets 21 Quote Tweets 1,641 Likes

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 1 2022 20:13 utc | 117

Posted by: Eric Newhill | May 1 2022 17:43 utc | 59
“How did she get in and out safely?”
My understanding is that there is a “diplomatic corridor” established between Poland and Kiev per arrangement with the Russians. That’s assuming, of course, that Zelenskyy is even in Kiev, and not just in Poland, which is still not established one way or the other. In any event, we can be sure that the Russians are notified of anyone important entering Ukraine. Even Angelina Jolie had no problem getting to Kiev (although last I heard, years ago, she has a UN commission.)
“What was so important that it required such a huge risk for such an old frail woman? Discuss what? The skim from the $33 Billion? For sure, but what else?”
Just another PR stunt for the plebes in the US electorate. And to keep Zelenskyy on track with the war by boosting his ego.
“Is Zelensky even really Kiev?”
No one knows.
The whole incident is irrelevant to anything. The only thing that matters is the military situation, both in Ukraine and the immediate region. That is going to govern everything.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 20:14 utc | 118

Malenkov@98
“Trump was one of its eager servants”
Trump had an interest in Israel that was maybe more than his voters. It was a marginal effect on his presidency. Someone mentioned Golan recognition the other day , as if the Israelis were waiting for Trump or anybody else to approve their settlement plans. We had “Javanka” poking their noses into affairs of state as well but on the whole marginal. There was no Gaza intifada, and I mentioned Hillary’s murderous promise to Saban yesterday.

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 1 2022 20:18 utc | 119

Posted by: karlof1 | May 1 2022 18:55 utc | 77
“Look for the UK to assume the role of Airstrip 1 as men and material are built up akin to that prior to D-Day.”
Heh, that’s a mighty small “airstrip” – easily destroyed by stand-off weapons. They might be better off doing it in Germany where there is a little more room.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 20:20 utc | 120

Posted by: Eric Newhill | May 1 2022 17:43 utc | 59
Does anyone have any thoughts concerning Pelosi’s alleged visit to Kiev to meet w/ Zelensky?
How did she get in and out safely? What was so important that it required such a huge risk for such an old frail woman? Discuss what? The skim from the $33 Billion? For sure, but what else?
Is Zelensky even really Kiev? Alternatively, the Russians don’t have control of the skies and have not destroyed railroads in most of the country (it is said Pelosi got there by flying into Poland and taking a train to Kiev).
There is something incredible about this story, to my mind at least and it’s bothering me much more than the typical MSM nonsense usually does. Well-reasoned ideas appreciated.
Posted by: Eric Newhill | May 1 2022 17:43 utc | 59
Eric, your line “Discuss what? The skim from the $33 billion? Of course, but what else?” was f*cking brilliant.
I thought exactly the same thing. Pelosi was in Taipei last week. Russia has won this as any objective observer has said. IMO, the empire, and it’s oily and faithful handmaiden Pelosi have other big tricks up their sleeve, in addition to their new Minister of Truth. The Ukraine Proxy War was supposed to be a warm up for a war with China. The evident handwringing in DC seems to be accelerating things with China and China doesn’t seem to be mincing words. I question if even the soulless golems of the US govt are really so blind to the probable outcome of war with two nuclear powers simultaneously.
Can’t we just open Azovstal, pull out the Nazis and their western handlers and give them the war crimes trial they so richly deserve? Let’s do it in a nice, neutral country, like Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia, Pakistan or Yemen.

Posted by: Boomhauer | May 1 2022 20:26 utc | 121

Poland is playing with fire
I wouldn’t be surprised if they get nuked
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/world/poland-and-nato-sneaking-troops-around-forbids-public-photos-videos

Posted by: Andrew B. | May 1 2022 20:29 utc | 122

Vragtes @10: “I am saddened by their references to dead Ukrainian soldiers as “pigs”.”
That is just a sort of “dehumanization” that is psychologically needed for 98 % of people that are not psychopaths to justify killing another human being even in a situation at a front line where it is either they kill you or you kill them.
A soldier can’t be bothered psychologically, by seeing the dead body of an enemy soldier, otherwise he would not be able to function anymore as a soldier, so they just dehumanize the dead enemy soldier, like as if that is not a human corpse at all.
I think channels like intel slava Z that are fully in support of the Russian soldiers fighting just copy that talk of their soldiers when they come across a dead enemy soldier.
Now don’t like it either, but such is war.

Posted by: Jimmy | May 1 2022 20:29 utc | 123

Posted by: Pagan | May 1 2022 20:10 utc | 111
“But the question is: can the US afford to sacrifice NATO? How to control Europe without NATO? Without Europe and NATO whom can they push around?”
If you have a war between Russia and NATO, Europe gets devastated. The rebuilding can only happen from one of two parties: the US or China. The US assumes it will be the US.
The point is the US intends to tie Europe to the US by involving Europe in a war with Russia. They also want to “bleed” Russia in that war. Then they think the US can take on Russia or that Russia will be so weak that the US can ignore it.
Doesn’t matter whether that is true – the neocons assume it is true, like they assume everything else will go their way even given the history that it never does.
The neocons make megalomaniacal comic book supervillains look like hypochondriacs. And why shouldn’t they? They’ve never suffered any consequences from any of their failed plans.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 20:32 utc | 124

Obamavirus | May 1 2022 20:18 utc | 115
Trump was a willing participant in the impeachment charade, over supposedly insufficient eagerness in dumping weapons on Ukraine. the whole thing was a psyop on the US populace.
please, please, unfuck your brain. Biden and trump are two sides of the same coin.
e.g., trump would not exist if biden had not supported the financialization of the US economy w/every flap of his laps in public office.
i know it’s difficult to get this, but as members of the same class, they are united with each other against the working class. they still are at each others’ throats. if you value your life, you would not want to be sitting at any kind of dinner between the two BFF’s Donald Trump and HRC, though Trump would definitely fart and belch more (more than Hil, not Bill).
please stop wasting space w/your MAGA crap.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | May 1 2022 20:34 utc | 125

To continue the discussion re: “Nazi Aggression” in WW2 and the world order that arrived at the end of the war
Perimetr had this comment at the end of the last thread:

As the thread is about at its end, I want to add one observation to the somewhat disruptive conversation about the beginnings of World War 2. There is indisputable evidence that Hitler had spent months massing his forces in preparation to invade Russia in Operation Barbarossa. But I have always wondered about the fact that Stalin had built up huge stores of weapons, fuel, and food very close to the German lines. Is it possible that both the Soviets AND the Germans were simultaneously preparing for invasions?
Admittedly, this is pure speculation on my part, and I have absolutely no sympathy for ANY Nazis in the past, present, or future. And at this point in time, it is essentially a moot point in the context of current events (which seem to be moving towards a full-fledged war between the US/NAT) and Russia. But since the issue of who was going to invade who has become a point of contention, I thought I would put the idea out there, and expect to get educated one way or the other lol.
Posted by: Perimetr | May 1 2022 15:22 utc | 326

I don’t believe that it is, in fact, a moot point. I think it matters very greatly in today’s world how we view the Nazis of WW2 and their questionable actions and supposed aggression.
Indeed, I would argue that an unfair treatment towards the Nazis would mean a preemptive suppression of natural tendencies of Nations to adhere to cultural nationalism, which, although characteristically severely repressed in the E.U., seems to be, like Marx’s Communism, a Specter that is rearing its head again.
But let’s ask the question that Perimetr posits as I believe that this is, indeed, the crux of the issue: What if Soviet Russia was NOT the harmless and innocent nation of buffoons caught completely off-guard by Barbarossa? What if Hitler did, in fact, beat Soviet Russia in their invasion of Europe, to the punch by a matter of months?
Ron Unz, through the works of many “revisionist” authors, and, as of late, the historian Suvorov, pieces together, through the evidence unearthed by Suvorov within the Soviet Archives, a narrative that I think has great merit. Stalin was not a buffoon. He makes the claim that he hoped Europe would tire itself out with war, so that the Soviets could sweep in in the aftermath. Does this tactic sound familiar to anyone? The fact that Hitler’s Germany was able to steamroll France so easily, and that Austria and Czechoslovakia so eagerly sought annexation into Greater Germany meant that Stalin’s plan of Invading Europe might need to be hastened.
But, in the end, we would have to take the information gathered by Suvorov through the Soviet Archives as well as the testimony of several German Military commanders who gave their accounts to the Allies before their executions, as well as Hitler himself, who wrote that the massive scale of preparations the Soviets had accrued would have surely overrun the Nazis, and it was only by quick-thinking and action that caught the Soviets completely off-guard and where the Nazi Blitzkrieg was able to sink the Soviet Invasion and keep them from conquering all of Europe.
I do not see a way that this could ever be unquestionably and unequivocally confirmed. I would just ask readers here to think about the implications of such an aggressive buildup by Stalin. And how, at the very least, perhaps one who has historically viewed the Nazis as unquestionably the aggressors, might finally see that there were many parties equally culpable for the War and its outbreak.
But, and you may not be ready to ask such a question: but, what if, as Heidegger made clear with regards to the rise of National Socialism in Germany, that…

This Europe, in its unholy blindness always on the point of cutting its own throat, lies today in the great pincers between Russia on the one side and America on the other. Russia and America, seen metaphysically, are both the same: the same hopeless frenzy of unchained technology and of the rootless organisation of the average man. When the farthest corner of the globe has been conquered technologically and can be exploited economically; when any incident you like in any place you like, and at any time you like, becomes accessible as fast as you like; when you can simultaneously ‘experience’ an assassination attempt against a king in France and a symphony concert in Tokyo; when time is nothing but speed, instantaneity, simultaneity, and time as history has vanished from Dasein of all peoples; when a boxer counts as the great man of a people; when the tallies of millions at mass meetings are a triumph; then, yes, then there still looms like a spectre over all this uproar the question: What for? – Where to? – and what then?

Although I believe this quote is post-war, he more or less said the same thing about Europe before the war. But his summmation was the same: “Europe in the pincers.”

I don’t think this current struggle is the same as between the Soviets and the U.S.. Not by a longshot.
I think that Putin is doing what he can to undo this trapped-Europe.
From what force is he trying to undo it from: Nazis? Perhaps, but only if you wish to use that word. To me, it is the anti-Christian force of Globalism that is really at play here.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 1 2022 20:34 utc | 126

Obamavirus | May 1 2022 20:18 utc | 115
since you are clearly an American, i’ll put it in terms you can understand: sports.
NFL owners compete with each other. they also work to maintain the nfl and keep it profitable w/in the system. they hyper-exploit the workforce to manipulate the masses. there’s lots of competition at all levels of the system. but the owners all agree in screwing over their staff and workers (not just players). and audience.
i’ve also got some “professional wrestling” examples if this “hail mary” doesn’t score a touchdown in your brain.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | May 1 2022 20:40 utc | 127

… The rebuilding can only happen from one of two parties: the US or China. The US assumes it will be the US.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 20:32 utc | 120
The juvenile politicians in DC may indeed assume such a scenario, but I am sure TPTB are aware that cannot be done with paper money.

Posted by: Pagan | May 1 2022 20:45 utc | 128

Rjb@121
“ I know it’s difficult to get but they are members of the same class”
I am not interested in political theory. I am talking about real actions taken and consequences. Innocent people killed. Economies destroyed. There is a huge difference as I think I have demonstrated. Yes Bush was a war criminal and I am only talking MAGA movement. They are a different kind of republican voter. Trump kept his promises and he promises to stay out of war and to work for America working class.

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 1 2022 20:50 utc | 129

Posted by: Pagan | May 1 2022 20:45 utc | 124
Well, then, why don’t the TPTB get rid of the neocons? Because that does appear to be the plan of the neocons.
So clearly either you’re missing something or the TPTB are.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 20:51 utc | 130

Anyone that believes the “election” of a certain politician is the key to change in the empire’s behavior, suffers from severe naiveite. Only a massive change in the public’s mind can do that, and unfortunately, the empire’s MSM is owned by the ones who won’t let things change, because it’ll reduce their income.

Posted by: vetinLA | May 1 2022 20:52 utc | 131

This “just war” concept is so 20th-century — “paleoconservative” perhaps?
Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 1 2022 19:47 utc | 101
Defending against an encroaching empire – defending against extremists I think fits the terms of a ‘just war’.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 1 2022 20:56 utc | 132

Posted it in wrong thread, so again here:
Since the 2nd phase of the war has started, my observations:
1. All Western observers expected mobile warfare and two pincer attacks, down from Iyzium and up from around Guyapole (spelling?) to create a huge cauldron.
2. Russia isnt doing that. They slowly grinds down Ukrainian units with artillery and only when an opportunity arises, they take a village and move forward.
3. The goal of the 2nd phase is not so much to create a huge cauldrons, but make the Ukrainian army inoperable. Ukraine can throw as many men into the grinder as Ze wants, they will all die or surrender. Same for the West: We can give Kiev as many shiny toys as we want, all will be destroyed. Russia may take 1-2 years to reach the goal of annihilating everything that moves, but eventually it will get there. Ukraine has no means to avoid the outcome, neither the numbers of soldiers required nor the equipment to eg surround and destroy enough Russian BTGs. Russia can up the ante when ever necessary, more equipment, more soldiers, up to a general mobilization.
4. Only when the Ukrainian army has become unable to withstand the onslaught, mobile warefare will start again all over Ukraine.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | May 1 2022 20:58 utc | 133

Read that France Press Agency is reporting that the Ukrainian Army is being wittdrawn from the Eastern front…
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1520756171375734785

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 1 2022 21:01 utc | 134

Posted by: rjb1.5 | May 1 2022 20:34 utc | 121
I agree. The Belarus charade and the rest began under Trump. It was Trump who insisted that Nordstream2 would need to be shut and Europe would need to buy LNG from the US.

Posted by: Jonathan W | May 1 2022 21:01 utc | 135

Well, then, why don’t the TPTB get rid of the neocons? Because that does appear to be the plan of the neocons.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 20:51 utc | 126
But, why should they? So far it’s working in their favour. They managed to work the Europeans into a frenzy, determined to destroy their own economies. So the money from Europe is pouring in, and the prospects for taking over their industrial capacity are very bright. As long as it’s not destroyed in a war, then everyone loses.

Posted by: Pagan | May 1 2022 21:02 utc | 136

rjb1.5 said;”please, please, unfuck your brain. Biden and trump are two sides of the same coin.”
Agreed..

Posted by: vetinLA | May 1 2022 21:04 utc | 137

karlof1@77
I defer to your great knowledge of Putin’s speeches and statements. My own view is that he is not much of a philosopher while being determined to make some urgently required changes to the world. To put Putin or Xi, for that matter, into perspective it is necessary to understand that, historically, it is only very recently that those ruling countries have come to believe, as do the neo-liberals and global imperialists, that the welfare of the populations over whom they rule is of no importance.
The mandate of heaven was understood in every state and society: the basis of legitimate rule lay in the consent and approval of the governed.
In other words Putin, in trying to make life better for the average Russian- who is a worker or dependent on work-, is doing nothing unusual or radical. He is a pragmatist, who appears to have the laudable ambition not to be a billionaire (just about the only one that western journalists can conceive) but to be remembered for serving his country and its people.
The radicals, and very likely the madmen, are the rulers of the “west” who appear to have concluded that what the Ministry of Food or Fuel cannot provide the Ministry of Truth will supply. That the human diet has now evolved to the point where lies and propaganda will soothe rumbling bellies and hungry children.
It is as if the scheme of replacing barter and precious metals with paper has worked so satisfactorily that promissory notes drawn on future headlined triumphs and gossamer peace dividends will make up for bread at $10 a loaf and gasoline/petrol at $5 a litre.
Setting themselves up as the arbiters of the Earth’s destiny is the least of the tricks being performed by the Barnum and Biden circus in Washington. Inviting popular applause for labour’s declining living standards (and vastly elevated returns on capital) is another.
The thing about Biden and the neo-cons around him is that they are the last of the Clintonites. They haven’t had a new idea since Monica was an intern. They see Russia-just as Obama did- as if these were still the ’90s: the country falling apart thanks to US sponsored reforms, the army disintegrating, life expectancy falling quickly and pimps were ferrying out unhappy women to every brothel and intern employer in the “west.”
But that is only half the story: while Clinton ruled the myth of overwhelming US power still persisted. The epic and lightening blitzkrieg in Grenada still lit up the sky. The destruction of the Embassy of the Peoples Republic in Belgrade was taught in West Point to future Shermans and Grants like Mike Pompeo. It was the High Noon of military glory in America.
In the past twenty years- seemingly unbeknownst to the Nulands, Kagans and Blinkens of this world- not only US but British and NATO forces have failed miserably in Iraq and Afghanistan. Behind the famous victories (of which poets in future will sing no doubt) in Libya and Syria, not to mention Lebanon in 2006, lies an unmistakeable record of military incompetence and strategic stupidity.
How much was spent in Libya, where NATO has still not replaced the man it killed and where the country teeters on the brink of anarchy? Iraq too is without a government. As is Haiti. And Yemen- where the US threatened after it refused to vote against Saddam at the UN, to demolish the country- is in as bad a position.
What all these places have in common is that Washington spent trillions and killed millions in order to change the regimes. and, after all everyone of them is now going to choose a government, when allowed, almost identical to the one the US devoted so much energy, blood and treasure to bring down. The classic case is Afghanistan where 21 years on the Taliban rule. But in Syria the Baath still hold power. In Yemen the independent Ansrullah movement is the leading national force. In Iraq the choice is between Iran’s favourites and Sadr. In Libya the Russian backed Haftar represents one choice- while Ghadaffi’s son Islam bides his time and waits to be allowed to campaign for support. In Haiti lavalas would win an election tomorrow, Aristide is the most popular politician by an order of magnitude.
Does history record a more dismal record of political and military failure?
And yet the clowns in Washington- and their fan club in EU/NATO-not only doubt Russia’s ability to cleanse its frontiers of missiles aimed at Moscow, and bio warfare labs preparing to spread deadly diseases across eurasia and fascist gangs intent on killing Russians for being Russian. They also plot 24/7 to relive their triumphs in the Yeltsin years.
It is an old charge that Russians like the knout. It’s the sort of insight that the C19th ancestors of Ms Kagan and her sister Nuland , Tony Blinken’s and Boris Johnson’s too might have shared in an Odessa salon. History teaches otherwise. Russians like all the rest of us want peace and plenty and respect. That seems to be what VV Putin has discovered.

Posted by: bevin | May 1 2022 21:06 utc | 138

Arne Hartmann | May 1 2022 20:58 utc | 129
Zelensky and his backers shut down all political opposition in Ukraine prior to the Russian move. I suspect Russia will keep destroying the extremists and whatever else is fed into the grinder until that opposition resurfaces ad then Russia will negotiate a settlement.
Mothers/parents in Transcarpthia are starting to protest. That will spread.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 1 2022 21:08 utc | 139

“like Marx’s Communism, a Specter that is rearing its head again.”
What are you talking about? Marxism or any real leftist movement has never been more dead in the West. I can’t think of one western country that has even a smidgen of Marxism at this time.
With your misunderstanding of History you are a tool for fascism and are aiding and abetting in the killing of the working class you claim to be part of.

Posted by: Arthurdent | May 1 2022 21:09 utc | 140

It’s no longer even clear what Russia’s goals in the Ukraine are.
Posted by: Antiwar Dinosaur | May 1 2022 18:24 utc | 68
My tuppence………..
One thing has become perfectly clear. Ukraine will not decide it’s own future. The outcome of this SMO will now be decided by the coming events of the conflict between Russia and NATO.
The possibility for Ukraine to recognise the independence of the Donetsk and Luhansk and Crimea’s return to Russia have passed.
It is now obvious from the US and EU responses that they will never allow a negotiated settlement unless Russia :
A: Takes total control of all of Ukraine by military means.
or
B: Suddenly decides to capitulate and allow the collective west to carve up the Russian geography and mineral resources as they see fit.
So Russia now has to decide it’s entire future. Perhaps that decision was made prior to the launch of the SMO or perhaps it has simply arrived due to the course of events.
Unless Russia defeats NATO, this conflict will have no end.
The main decision makers of this war reside in the UK and the US. They are happy for all of Europe and all of Russia to die so that they can continue their control over the rest of the world.
The combined West have unlimited conventional weapons to keep selling to the conflict, whilst getting filthy rich and sitting comfortably in their homes watching it all on TV.
Their control stems from their control over the world’s finances.
This financial control must end if this conflict is to end before nuclear war ends us all.
Whatever financial weapons Russia has in it’s arsenal now need to be used. Public opinion in Europe has an economic voice that will be listened to. Pitchforks will soon come out. If the majority of the watching world were to join a new financial alternative, then the power and the control that the UK and the US have, will rapidly collapse along with the public support to continue to wage endless war against Russia.
Failing a global financial paradigm shift in the world, I see this conflict ever widening on the military front as NATO both re-arms Ukraine and gets directly involved. Once NATO wants to start controlling airspace over sections of Ukraine to cover their supposed peace keeping missions or whatever the doomsday clock will be striking midnight.
I see the options then as:
1. Russia launches all out conventional war on NATO – gloves off – which it would have to win to retain it’s independence.
2. Russia takes no action and allows NATO to have these small territorial wins eastwards – which will eventually end – could be a few years – in the total surrender and breakup of Russia.
3. The conflict escalates into nuclear war and that’s game over.

Posted by: Thatami | May 1 2022 21:10 utc | 141

Here Obama talking about containing “hate speech” through harsher censure in social media platforms…
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1520713806086696960?cxt=HHwWgMCjjcnJ1JoqAAAA
But, what he really means is containing any alternative view, since, as we continuously test, hate speech against the Russians, as it was for two years in a round against unvaccinated Western people, is widely allowed…
https://twitter.com/Amor_y_Rabia/status/1520828124702912512/photo/1

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 1 2022 21:13 utc | 142

What are you talking about? Marxism or any real leftist movement has never been more dead in the West. I can’t think of one western country that has even a smidgen of Marxism at this time.
Posted by: Arthurdent | May 1 2022 21:09 utc | 136
It is said that the only people in the West who study Marx are the banksters.

Posted by: Pagan | May 1 2022 21:14 utc | 143

@ Aleph_Null | May 1 2022 20:12 utc | 112
Excellent catch! This needs to be propagated far and wide. It’s rare for an official site to publish such brazenly bogus images!

Posted by: malenkov | May 1 2022 21:28 utc | 144

Obamavirus | May 1 2022 20:50 utc | 125
Yes Bush was a war criminal and I am only talking MAGA movement. They are a different kind of republican voter. Trump kept his promises and he promises to stay out of war and to work for America working class.

it’s funny how casually you state the only true thing that you state: Bush is a war criminal. did something about the *nature of the state itself* change since then? no it didn’t.
as for trump, ask syria. ask ukraine. ask afghanistan. ask lebanon. ask palestine. ask iraq. ask iran. as the nuclear weapons industry. look at the pentagon budget.
you don’t know what you are talking about. trump made his money screwing natives w/casinos and real estate speculation, enabled by libs like clinton and obama.
there’s nothing but more of the same coming from any member of the ruling class. and thanks for pimping a frequent flyer on the epstein express. trump and clinton laughed together at suckers like you on their shared flights to Lolitaville.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | May 1 2022 21:30 utc | 145

Posted by: Pnyx | May 1 2022 15:15 utc | 23
I too fully agree.
I hate it when people glorify in the death of even Ukrainian soldiers. They are someone’s son or father or brother, and even if on the wrong side are in most cases no more evil that any other soldiers.
I do not of course include the really vicious brigades who commit war crimes, though even here, fear, brainwashing, heat of the moment etc may make devils of decent young men.

Posted by: watcher | May 1 2022 21:32 utc | 146

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 1 2022 20:34 utc | 122
What did I tell to you about fucking off to UNZ, you cretin??

Posted by: v | May 1 2022 21:35 utc | 147

Rjb@141
Well, you seem very bitter. IDK what else to say to you. Trump did not launch any war OK? Trump didn’t send billions over to a corrupt regime to fight a war “ leading from behind” either. LoL That is not good enough for you it seems. Not worthy to vote for.

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 1 2022 21:42 utc | 148

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | May 1 2022 20:58 utc | 129
Agreed. The “cauldron” myth needs to be destroyed. Yes, there are localized cauldrons, but there is only technically one large cauldron. Even Saker had to admit that said “cauldron” was “closed by fire” only, meaning Russia can use long-range artillery and air power to “close” it. The Ukrainian forces in DOnbass have never been “encircled” in the way some people, even Mercouris, thinks. The maps show that clearly.
I don’t think it will take a year to destroy the Ukrainian military. Once the Donbass grouping is destroyed, which should take no more than a month, and once the Russian, LDR and Chechen forces are integrated into one solid unit totaling perhaps 150,000 troops, the remaining Ukrainian military of 100,000 or less will be rolled over in a classic Russian mass attack across Ukraine. All Ukrainian forces this side of Kiev will be annihilated quickly, within a couple months would be my guess (and it’s only a guess subject to revision as events unfold.)
Of course, before that happens I expect Russia to take Karkhov, Nicolaev and Odessa. But it’s possible Ukrainian forces in those cities might be pinned in place and bypassed in favor of the roll to Kiev. Hard to tell. If Russia continues to do this slowly, however, those cities would probably be next and then Kiev.
We all have to remember that the only people who know the plan is the Russian General Staff – and even they may change it as events unfold.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 21:42 utc | 149

Posted by: Pagan | May 1 2022 21:02 utc | 132
“As long as it’s not destroyed in a war, then everyone loses.”
But the neocons are still pushing for a war between NATO and Russia. That is entirely clear. They are not being reined in by anyone, except for some Pentagon pushback. Biden is clearly on board with whatever the neocons want.
So you’re still missing something. The problem is you’re assuming that a NATO loss in Europe is an “everyone loses” scenario, when it’s really only the Europeans who lose. As long as the US stays out of it – and as I’ve said before, that is theoretically doable depending on how the neocons work it – the US benefits from the eventual peace deal between Europe and Russia. Reconstruction adds to the profits made by the MIC and the rest of the US economy from Europe.
In any event, this is all speculative until it happens. What is clear is that the neocons want a war between NATO and Russia. That I don’t doubt at all.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 21:48 utc | 150

#—Not so coincidentally, that was the time that Nuland and the rest of the Kagan clan (Straussians as per Thierry Meyssan) were no longer in positions of influence.
Posted by: Opport Knocks | May 1 2022 19:49 utc | 102
You’re right, he was to busy stealing Syria’s oil and making granting Israel it’s land, to give much thought about Ukraine. Kushner’s and his circle seem to have put their investment in the Middle-East.
His interest in the Ukraine, seemed strictly related to his war with the Democrats, which he handled poorly.

Posted by: Anne B | May 1 2022 21:48 utc | 151

The western propaganda machine is worryingly effective. The fact that most of Europe, including Germany, is cheering on a country with a neo-Nazi battalion in its armed forces shows that the lessons of history are being ignored. How did so many people become so gullible?

Posted by: D J G | May 1 2022 21:52 utc | 152

Another good comment. I do not in fact agree with you but appreciate that you can see nuances in thoughts and actions, without simplistic thought bubbles.
I rather think that attendance at things like the WEF are way over estimated as significant. You can attend a forum and speak at it without accepting all its blather. I had once a very, very smart boss who was able to give a key note speech at a big conference, during which he basically said to those who knew him, I am talking a load of blather, because it is politically required. I know it is rubbish and those of you out in the audience with a brain know that I know. It does of course require very high level intellect and enough self awareness to know what your real objectives are and when they are being blocked/diverted.
In my opinion Putin (and Xi) are such people. You can go to WEF, G20 or whatever, without becoming part of the rara cult.

Posted by: watcher | May 1 2022 21:53 utc | 153

About Cauldrons
Being inside a cauldron is not the same as being surrounded on all sides, it is just a U shaped front line where the opposing force, the force with less military strength is inside the U
The deeper the U is the worse it is for the army inside the U, because when their front line collapses and they have to do a tactical retreat, they will be fired upon from 3 sides during their retreat while inside the U. That is what is meant by “closed by fire”.
Now this does not mean that all troops won’t be able to get out of the U, but a large portion will be destroyed by the time they get out. This is why a cauldron is sometimes refered to as a “meat grinder.”

Posted by: Jimmy | May 1 2022 21:55 utc | 154

I just read a posting from yesterday evening saying that Peter Hitchens has received a D Notice preventing him from saying what he thinks about the Ukraine war.

Posted by: Lysias | May 1 2022 21:56 utc | 155

NemesisCalling@122
Just look at what you have posted:
Perimetr simply says
” As the thread is about at its end, I want to add one observation to the somewhat disruptive conversation about the beginnings of World War 2. There is indisputable evidence that Hitler had spent months massing his forces in preparation to invade Russia in Operation Barbarossa. But I have always wondered about the fact that Stalin had built up huge stores of weapons, fuel, and food very close to the German lines. Is it possible that both the Soviets AND the Germans were simultaneously preparing for invasions?
Admittedly, this is pure speculation on my part,…”
Yes, pure speculation, and not much tainted by knowledge either. The great weight of evidence is that the Russians were taken by surprise, at least that Stalin was. He was warned, it has been claimed, by various intelligence sources. The British he wrote off on the “They would say that, wouldn’t they? ” theory. Why he didn’t listen to his own people is not clear to me. But he didn’t.
And then the Soviet Union lost about three millions prisoners of war, trained soldiers, the backbone of the Red Army, which was Stalin’s only protection. If those soldiers were ready for the offensive they would not have succumbed in such numbers.
Let’s look at the meaning of this weird dispute. It’s great importance, politically, is that it does two things that benefit the Nazis. The first is to exculpate them of guilt, not only for starting the war but also of the various crimes they committed during the war, which become excusable on the grounds that they were “fighting for their lives against an aggressor.” Holocaust denial begins here.
The second conclusion is that the entire burden of responsibility for the war is shifted from Germany’s back to that of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.
They were to blame.
Hitler was innocent: a war leader fighting to protect his people from extermination. A hero who snatched victory from the jaws of an impending surprise attack.
That lets both the Nazis and the whole galaxy of eastern european fascist collaborators off the hook. The only fault was Stalin’s. And of course the Russians who obeyed him. It is on their heads that the 27 million deaths in The Great Patriotic War must lie.
And there is justification for Ukraine’s simultaneous banning of the Communist Party and empowerment of the Bandera fascists, for tearing down the memorials to the Red Army and replacing them with busts of water carriers for the SS and concentration camp guards.
In other words Perimetr’s ‘speculation’ which is, in fact not a sudden inspiration but a central plank in the Hitler Rehabilitation/ anti Communist/ NATO collaborator eastern european/ russophobic platform, is based not on evidence, of which it flies in the face, but on a sinister attempt to re-found antidemocratic, anti working class, pro imperial politics to conform with the general programme of Full Spectrum Dominance.
I am not one of those calling for your banning but I do believe that you have to recognise that what you are doing could have dangerous consequences. And that it is incumbent upon those working for the demolition of the ideology of anti-fascism to base their case on real evidence not day dreaming speculations which have the power to influence others.
You are a religious man, I gather, so you will recall Christ “It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones…”

Posted by: bevin | May 1 2022 21:59 utc | 156

The North Atlantic Treaty does not require other members to go to war when one of them is attacked. It only says they will take what they consider appropriate action.

Posted by: Lysias | May 1 2022 22:01 utc | 157

There is a man without honor at Turcopolier stating that all what the nazi battallions do and have done in Ukraine against Ukrainian population and Russian POWs is really what the Russians do, he states, projecting obviously, that the Russians have looted, raped and killed all the way in Ukraine….
Here US Col.Black, debunking his lies, and telling it all about US way, both in Russia and Ukraine…
https://twitter.com/apocalypseos/status/1519267894441304064

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 1 2022 22:01 utc | 158

@Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 1 2022 22:01 utc | 154
Both in Syria and Ukraine…

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 1 2022 22:02 utc | 159

“It is time to negotiate a peace that protects the peoples of all areas and allows them to live with their families free from the fear of being bombed.”
Good luck with that. All you have to do is change human nature.
I’d like to eat ice cream all day and still weight 155 lbs. “That Ain’t Gonna Happen.”
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 20:07 utc | 108

Some examples of modern societies where previously warring factions learned to co-exist in relative harmony:
– Northern Ireland
– Canada
– India
– Mexico
– Vietnam
But without a “let’s make it happen” attitude it won’t happen. Ironically, it is what Zelensky set out to do with the sponsorship of Kolomoisky. As most local mob leaders recognize, Kolomoisky knows war is bad for business.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | May 1 2022 22:05 utc | 160

#—From what force is he trying to undo it from: Nazis? Perhaps, but only if you wish to use that word. To me, it is the anti-Christian force of Globalism that is really at play here.
Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 1 2022 20:34 utc | 122
I always comes back to the Norwegian philosopher Harald Ofstad

He interpreted Nazism as a manifestation of the human tendency to feel contempt for weakness, a viewpoint which he developed in his 1971 book Vår forakt for svakhet (Our Contempt for Weakness)

Posted by: Anne B | May 1 2022 22:12 utc | 161

Posted by: Opport Knocks | May 1 2022 19:49 utc | 102
I first fell out with my family by making the “outrageous” statement that had I been a voter i would support Trump ahead of Clinton, because he was much less likely to start WWIII. I was absolutely right, but sadly he only delayed it 4 years.
Trump is an oddball, often sleazy, often ignorant, arrogant and pompous, but is not in favour of a war with Russia. That is completely true. As a businessman he sees little value in such a war. The Democratic ideologues lack this understanding.
On the other hand Trump is an appalling Zionist and his approach to China was dangerous.
There appear to be two factions in the US elite “”deep state” if you must. The “lets get Russia first and worry about China later” (mostly Democrats) and the “we are scared of the yellow horde” faction (mostly republicans). the first faction appear to be the most rabid and insane ideologues, cold war warriors with a mind set of 1955. They are very, very dangerous and stupid.
The russiagate stuff was organised by the first faction. Essentially they failed but Trump lost it by his total mismanagement of the COVID crisis. So now we are on the brink of WWIII with Russia as first enemy. Of course it is obvious to many (but not the ideologues), that war with Russia means war with China, but few seem to grasp this.

Posted by: watcher | May 1 2022 22:18 utc | 162

#—In my opinion Putin (and Xi) are such people. You can go to WEF, G20 or whatever, without becoming part of the rara cult.
Posted by: watcher | May 1 2022 21:53 utc | 149
This triggered my memory – Anyone remember >A HREF=”https://theyesmen.org/”>”The Yes Men”?

Posted by: Anne B | May 1 2022 22:19 utc | 163

Posted by: bevin | May 1 2022 21:59 utc | 152
Well said!!

Posted by: watcher | May 1 2022 22:21 utc | 164

Good article at Strategic Culture. It begins thus:
“After the 2nd World War in 1945 the USA knew: There is no danger from the weakened Soviet Union. But with the pincer grip of the Marshall Plan and NATO, the USA integrated the Western, Northern and Southern European countries into its economic and military expansion. Ex-Nazis and ex-Nazi collaborators were promoted, on the other hand anti-fascist parties, movements, persons were eliminated, infiltrated, bought. At the same time, the U.S. also helped the governments to fight against liberation movements in the colonies – also because of raw materials for US corporations.
“After 1990, the founding lie and thus the military-capitalist pincer grip was continued with the “eastward expansion”: Always first NATO membership, then EU membership. This includes the dismantling of prosperity and freedom for the majority populations: The EU and more and more US corporations, investors and consultants are organizing Americanization with working poor, working sick as well as legalized and illegal labor migration – at the same time militarization and hostility against Russia is being expanded: Domination of Eurasia from Lisbon to Vladivostok was the plan from the beginning.
“We bring a chapter from the book by Werner Rügemer: Imperium EU – Labor Injustice, Crisis, New Resistances, tredition 2021. Of course, the war in Ukraine does not play a role in it yet, but it becomes explainable in some respects. Sources have been omitted….”
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/05/01/nato-the-founding-lie/

Posted by: bevin | May 1 2022 22:24 utc | 165

Posted by: Lysias | May 1 2022 22:01 utc | 153
Correct. However, these days that is not much consolation, given how NATO has bent over for the US. There were some grumblings here and there, yes, but in general NATO will do what the US wants. Certainly that is true of the UK, Poland, Romania, the Baltic states, and probably Germany and France in the end.
So again, the entire question is: If Poland does an incursion into Ukraine, how far does NATO go to support them? Asked another way, why would the US and the rest of NATO allow Poland to go it alone to complete failure? They’re allowing Ukraine to fight to the last Ukrainian. They’re allowing Poland to fight to the last Pole. So why not go further? Why not fight to the last European (or at least the last of NATO)?
Bottom line: If the goal is to “bleed” and “weaken” Russia, where is the limit where they’ll stop? I say the limit is actual nuclear war. But I can’t even be sure of that.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 22:30 utc | 166

The North Atlantic Treaty does not require other members to go to war when one of them is attacked. It only says they will take what they consider appropriate action.
Posted by: Lysias | May 1 2022 22:01 utc | 153
Doesn’t sound like much of a treaty then. If they don’t define what “appropriate actions” are, at least what the realm of them might include starting with X and continuing to Y, where X is an unknown action and Y is attacking a member state’s attacker.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 1 2022 22:37 utc | 167

And now for the Swiss whitewash and grovelling apology.
The latest Commentary on the War by Jacques Baud.
https://www.thepostil.com/our-interview-with-jacques-baud/
This is pure ignorance dressed up as “informed analysis”. This report goes beyond the polite professional Swiss one dimensional reasoning – it totally ignores the very clear concerns facing Russia and all of Europe from a fanatic controlled NATO.
Baud says: “I have definitely no crystal ball… At this stage, we can only guess what Vladimir Putin wants. He probably wants to achieve two main goals.”
Comrade Baud might find it informative to read the Russian MOD statements, the treaties proposed by Putin in December 2021 only six months ago that is. He might consider the broader geopolitical context and he could develop a frank and fearless assessment based on those factors. He is a failure because of his willing blindness.
He is somewhat mystified about the turn of events after the Ukraine color revolution and provides no depth of analysis – this from a lifetime of professional practice in the field!
How does he reason -“As a strategic intelligence officer, I always advocated providing to the political or military decision-makers the most accurate and the most objective intelligence. This is the kind of job where you need to keep you prejudice and your feelings to yourself, in order to come up with an intelligence that reflects as much as possible the reality on the ground rather than your own emotions or beliefs. I also assume that in a modern democratic State decision must be fact-based. This is the difference with autocratic political systems where decision-making is ideology-based (such as in the Marxist States) or religion-based (such as in the French pre-revolutionary monarchy).”
Then this – “In 2014, during the Maidan revolution in Kiev, I was in NATO in Brussels. I noticed that people didn’t assess the situation as it was, but as they wished it would be. This is exactly what Sun Tzu describes as the first step towards failure. In fact, it appeared clear to me that nobody in NATO had the slightest interest in Ukraine. The main goal was to destabilize Russia.”
Are you F*ing kidding me? He refuses to see the pattern? This is NATO whitewash and bluster.
Is Jacques Baud willfully ignorant or just pure evil you might ask? “After the Maidan revolution, the emerging force in the political landscape was the far-right movement. I do not like to call it “neo-Nazi” because “Nazism” was a clearly defined political doctrine, while in Ukraine, we are talking about a variety of movements that combine all the features of Nazism (such as antisemitism, extreme nationalism, violence, etc.), without being unified into a single doctrine. They are more like a gathering of fanatics.”
Do tell.
Jacques Baud is a fool and thepostil is a participant in the great Wurlitzer of lies. I guess they get a payment from Integrity Initiative for this trash.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 1 2022 22:48 utc | 168

So you can’t set out Putin’s ideology that distinguishes it from the neocons. Saying the majority of the Russian population supports what Russia’s doing tells us nothing about his ideologies.
Posted by: Vragtes | May 1 2022 20:09 utc | 110
No, it only tells you that he has the support of the people.
I notice that you tend to make an error in your comments that is common in the brainwashed west: that is to refer to Russia as “Putin”.
This tendency of the west to make cult of personality a la hollywood and then to glamorise or demonise the personality, needs to be seen through and abandoned.
All US presidents are part of this cult of personality developed in every election cycle by the Billions of $$ spent on propaganda, so Americans assume it’s the same everywhere else.
It isn’t.
VV Putin is acting on behalf of his elected government (no matter what you or I judge their democracy to be) and the people of Russia, and is one of the few leaders in the world who is demonstrably doing so.
Imo Its disingenuous to claim to be anti war then to jump on the Anti Putin bandwagon that is universally calling for bloodlust.

Posted by: K | May 1 2022 22:59 utc | 169

S.O. @ 92
Basically a staged environment.
The focal thing you are looking at that makes everything stand out is a wide aperture lens. E.g. an 85, F1.2 or something.
A good example for someone who is actually brilliant at it would be Joe McNally

Are they actually in front of those buildings? Everything is staged in politics so I am not sure what you mean. The pictures have some strange qualities to them but I was never into photography.

Posted by: circumspect | May 1 2022 22:59 utc | 170

Ukrainian laundromat https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRrYUM1WYAAxGcV?format=png&name=small

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 1 2022 23:00 utc | 171

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 1 2022 22:48 utc | 164
Well, this is just the opinion of somebody in Switserland about what he thinks he knows about the situation in Ukraine.
Switzerland, although a nominal neutral country, not a member of NATO and not a member of the EU is still under western , pro Atlantic (Empire) media dominance. The Swiss media makes use of the same, western, spook infiltrated, news agencies such associated press and reuters that feed their media with images and narratives.

Posted by: Jimmy | May 1 2022 23:01 utc | 172

Posted by: Circe | May 1 2022 19:52 utc | 104
“around 4 a.m. on May 2nd, a rare angel on earth, my mother, quietly passed into the arms of eternity.”
I love “Enya – If I Could Be Where You Are” too
My mother was very religious (heart of gold).
It was around 11:00 am on a December morning, and I was very lucky to get the call (the previous night I had been at a works Christmas party – or I would already been in work)
I tried to get a Catholic Priest – but she no, I just want to hold your hand.
My Mum died holding a gold chain crucifix around her neck of Jesus, in one hand, and mine in the other.
If anyone ever went to heaven, my Mum did.
I witnessed it holding her hand.
I thought I would be depressed, but the experience was completely the opposite to what I expected.
I felt strangely uplifted, like in an aura with God, and I gave up religion at the age of 15. I walked home, and told my wife, who is so much like my Mum (heart of gold).
Tony

Posted by: Tony_0pmoc | May 1 2022 23:01 utc | 173

Aleph_Null | May 1 2022 20:12 utc | 112
Probably why they are not showing the pictures in the western press. Too many would notice.

Posted by: circumspect | May 1 2022 23:02 utc | 174

Posted by: Vragtes | May 1 2022 20:09 utc | 110
‘Saying the majority of the Russian population supports what Russia’s doing tells us nothing about his ideologies.’
Perhaps not. Perhaps they don’t even assume that their president’s pragmatism reflects a particularly rigid ideology. I don’t either, but I’ll defer to the Russian people’s judgement just the same. It’s what matters most after all, and they seem quite well prepared to deal with it in their own way.

Posted by: Arvy | May 1 2022 23:03 utc | 175

A point to remember.
During cold war, Soviet naval doctrine was of a sea-denial actions. In case of war in Europe, main purpose of Soviet navy was (among few other things) destroying ships moving reinforcement material and troops from US to Europe. Destroying port facilities, too, serving to same goal.
So, if at any point in future US starts to move amount deemed by Russia as dangerous to it’s strategic goals, we will get news about interned, hijacked and later, if hostilities grow to open war, sinking ships.
Europe by itself (NATO without US help) do not pose threat to Russia.

Posted by: Abe | May 1 2022 23:08 utc | 176

“there’s nothing but more of the same coming from any member of the ruling class. and thanks for pimping a frequent flyer on the epstein express. trump and clinton laughed together at suckers like you on their shared flights to Lolitaville.”
Posted by: rjb1.5 | May 1 2022 21:30 utc | 141
WOW, the truth, an stated better than I’m capable of.

Posted by: vetinLA | May 1 2022 23:10 utc | 177

uncle tungsten | May 1 2022 22:48 utc | 164
It seems to me that J. Baud speaks the truth, he quotes facts (as for example the difference between Swiss and Belgian neutrality, which was new to me!) and I see no big Wurlitzer of whitewashing, please tell me in detail what you call “whitewashing”. Thank you.

Posted by: fanto | May 1 2022 23:15 utc | 178

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 1 2022 22:48 utc | 164
Posted by: fanto | May 1 2022 23:15 utc | 174
I agree with fanto. I don’t think Baud can be totally condemned for being someone inside NATO and the West paradigm and therefore not comprehending the full extent of the situation. The fact that he’s criticizing the West’s approach to Russia and Ukraine at all is a miracle.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 23:23 utc | 179

I agree with Alexander that this conflict rhymes with Vietnam. The pouring in of vast quantities of weapons to support a corrupt government which is losing the war, only causing unnecessary destruction and ultimately futile, even with the insertion of half a million US troops.

Posted by: Oh | May 1 2022 23:25 utc | 180

Andrew B. @ 118
When I see Hal turner links pop up I have to say this again and again. He admitted in court that he was a paid FBI disinformation agent complete with the canceled checks to prove it so beware.

Posted by: circumspect | May 1 2022 23:26 utc | 181

Just finishing up Mercouris’ video from today. He spends most of it analyzing how the Ukraine escalation situation is comparable to the Vietnam war, both in terms of how it started and how it ended up. He fears that if it goes along the same path, US troops will end up in Ukraine with all the attendant consequences.
Before the amateur historians weigh in and dispute all that, I suggest they watch the video:
As Russia Advances in Donbass West ‘Seeks Victory’ in Ukraine, Inviting Disaster Instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J5IUtMXklA

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 23:26 utc | 182

Hausmeister | May 1 2022 17:12 utc | 50
Manage without me | May 1 2022 16:46 utc | 47
Yes, we must agree to disagree:
Can I say that it is not the stupidity of people but the attribute by which we are so easily manipulated.
I know very intelligent Germans and Australians that are entirely sucked in to the ‘official line’. They are reinforced in this adherence/compliance/ as their employment would be in jeopardy if they were as outspoken and frank as I am.
The obligation we have as observers of this sad state is to determine how in child rearing we inculcate reasoned responses other than dependent responses in our children. We teach them that we will comply with their loud requests for food thus reinforcing the dependency on stimulus but we seem less adequate in teaching and fostering the mind systems of reasoned and incisive inquiry.
Fortunately I am able to foster critical inquiry with my child otherwise they would become a bright screen zombie. I engage debate on many topics so that we can enquire into the various impulses that drive the reactions, logic and appearance. This is not a strong element in the schooling experience.
So many of us are just so easily manipulated into compliance…. we need to practice awakening the mind to be immediately present and analytical to information from all sources. Often we are in a ‘dream state’ as people put information before us. Exercise that brain muscle as long as possible I say.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 1 2022 23:44 utc | 183

Brilliant article by Boris Buden. Truly a must read, especially as regards his very clear-headed analysis of the oligarchic/capitalist predatory problem at the heart of the present Ukrainian crisis. https://www.e-flux.com/journal/126/459559/the-west-at-war-on-the-self-enclosure-of-the-liberal-mind/

Posted by: Menelaus | May 1 2022 23:49 utc | 184

Defending against an encroaching empire – defending against extremists I think fits the terms of a ‘just war’.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 1 2022 20:56 utc | 128
Absolutely. I’m in total agreement with Pat Buchanan and Vladimir Putin about international-law concepts such as the “just war”. But in standing for international law, we’re all standing against the rules based order. There’s not even room for the pretense of legal consistency, implied by terms such as “just war”, within USA’s “rules-based” unipolar order.
Incidentally, was it you, Peter, who recommended that Brest Fortress movie? I checked it out, and found it an unforgettable masterpiece — so many perfect cinematic moments, serving the collective consciousness: how Russia remembers the onset of Operation Barbarosa.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 1 2022 23:55 utc | 185

@ NemesisCalling | May 1 2022 20:34 utc | 122
Sorry but I’m just not buying that Suvorov crap.
1) You are expecting people to believe that in literally thousands (probably tens of thousands) of historical texts written after WW2, nobody, not even German commanders who were actually present at the time, thought to mention the fact that Barbarossa was an offensive that was hastily cobbled together in an attempt to beat the Soviets to the punch. Suvorov was working for a Kiev based publication when he first decided it was worth mentioning (check his wiki page) Sometimes people just want to pay the bills and that often means telling people what they want to hear.
2) During the (then) recent winter war, the tiny Finnish army had utterly humiliated the Russian armed forces and was only beaten eventually by sheer weight of numbers. To imagine that they were anywhere near ready to take on the German army would have been very obviously delusional. The Germans had also proven to be superior both in training and equipment in the Spanish civil war.
3) The recent purge of generals had left them with a severe leadership deficit. Would you decapitate your army just before your intended major offensive?
4) Do you seriously imagine that Germany would be fighting alone? If the USSR had attacked Germany and was making headway, do you imagine that the British, Americans, Spanish etc would stay out of the war? Not on your life, they were all deeply hostile to the USSR.
5) An army busy prepping for an offensive would surely have been far more capable of counter-offensive action than the red army at the time. Additionally, an army prepping for an offensive would have had a much better awareness of where the soon-to-be-enemy forces were actually situated and thus far less likely to be taken by surprise.
6) Stalin initially refused to believe the reports of the German offensive, initially believing it to be British disinformation intended to start a war.
Hitler himself is reported as saying “If I had known that your estimates of soviet tank strength were anywhere near accurate, I would never have started this war” (to Paulus if my memory serves correctly)
To sum up, on the one hand we have literally thousands of military historians, on the other hand we have Suvorov, a man who was working for the Ukro-Nazis when he wrote his book. It really isn’t difficult is it? Well is it?
Just for the record, I am not hostile to WW2 revisionism in general, it will not exonerate the Nazi regime (though it might embarrass the allies) But the Suvorov stuff is essentially garbage.

Posted by: MarkU | May 2 2022 0:00 utc | 186

I always comes back to the Norwegian philosopher Harald Ofstad
He interpreted Nazism as a manifestation of the human tendency to feel contempt for weakness, a viewpoint which he developed in his 1971 book Vår forakt for svakhet (Our Contempt for Weakness)
Posted by: Anne B | May 1 2022 22:12 utc | 157
Insightful Anne thanks. Contempt for weakness is certainly not restricted to Nazi Germany, if you think about it this mindset has infected the west greatly in our endless consumerism and materialism. Spirituality or sensitivity to what is outside this basic level of animal existences is seen as weakness, Similarly anything not “scientific” is seen as weak and so on.

Posted by: K | May 2 2022 0:00 utc | 187

@uncle tungsten @179
I don’t think there is any hope in raising people who can think critically. Firstly, the State wouldn’t allow it. Secondly, these are not qualities that make one a “happy”, average person, so it’s not encouraged by parents or educators.
To be able to be married happily for decades, for example, one has to be the type of person who just goes along to get along. Same with people who prosper in the corporate world. Entrepreneurs and people working in the creative world are probably the only types of people who would profit from developing those critical thinking faculties.
The Germans, who have just turned into slightly less fat Americans since WW2 aren’t a people who encourage their people to rock the boat.

Posted by: Manage without me | May 2 2022 0:00 utc | 188

Probably why they are not showing the pictures in the western press. Too many would notice.
Posted by: circumspect | May 1 2022 23:02 utc | 170
I just rechecked the Ukraine photo gallery to see if anyone’s fixed it yet. Nope. It’s still the crudest fakery imaginable. What’s hard to believe is that they’d put something out there this hard to believe. You can even tell from the thumbnails it’s the same Pelosi composited into three different backgrounds:
https://www.president.gov.ua/en/photos/zustrich-prezidenta-ukrayini-zi-spikerom-palati-predstavniki-4617
Fakery this crude ascends to Stalinesque levels. (Someone will hopefully correct me if I’m wrong.) I heard that a notable feature of Stalin’s propaganda apparatus was the deliberate deployment of utter absurdities, functioning as a loyalty test (the same thing happens here in USA, in the form of Trumpism): Those willing to parrot absurdities are obviously the most loyal.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 2 2022 0:10 utc | 189

Vragtes | May 1 2022 20:09 utc | 110
You need to study harder…Look at his actions over the span of his life. Better yet, look at yours.

Posted by: donten | May 2 2022 0:12 utc | 190

Circe | May 1 2022 19:52 utc | 104
So sweet, you never tasted it, until it was not there…Nothing but stillness now, but the taste is so strong.

Posted by: donten | May 2 2022 0:17 utc | 191

Come and See ….
https://youtu.be/NJYOg4ORc1w
The most important bit out of that for me is the piece that I think most of western civ will miss entirely: The essence of the entire piece is literally a part of the consciousness of the Russian population relative to the barbarity demonstrated by German Nazis, as well as the Ukrainian Bandera collaborators who were considered by the SS as even more barbaric than what is depicted in the movie and has been owned up to by the former SS.
When the Russians, through President Putin, Sergey Shoigu, Sergey Lavrov, Maria Zakharova, and others speak of the security situation with Ukraine/NATO and its rampant expression within the Ukrainian Military and throughout the government of Nazi symbols, Nazi hate, and Nazi practices as being an existential threat they have good reason. Kievian Ukraine led by Zelenski and the prior Putsch government presidents has practiced documented genocide against the Russian populations of eastern oblasts of former Ukraine particularly since the Maidan Coup in 2014. The hate training goes even deeper and has been an aspect and leverage point for the US State Department since forever.
If you can appreciate the perspective, which is a deep part of being Russian, then I don’t see any ambiguity in the intent of Russian President Putin and the majority of the Russian and BeloRussian populations.
The more US (NATO, UK, EU) try to escalate with Russia through the rump government of what is left of former Ukraine the more dramatic the ultimate response will be BUT it will be in Russian control and on Russian terms.
I have zero doubt.
For the West’s idea of Unipolar Hegemony and Full Spectrum Dominance, the jig is up.

Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | May 2 2022 0:17 utc | 192

Slight correction: It’s the same background three times, with the people and zoom rearranged. Obvious compositing, at any rate, from having the set of three.
Usually there’s something more subtle, like one person in the picture having a different light source than the others. This is just yearbook-parody level clowning around.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 2 2022 0:25 utc | 193

Aleph_Null | May 1 2022 23:55 utc | 181
I may have linked it some time ago. I have watched it several times now. there is a small number of English captioned movies that are based on historical documents but Brest Fortress is perhaps the best. All of them though give a good idea of what the soviet union went through.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 2 2022 0:32 utc | 194

Russia must totally destroy Ukraine’s fuel facilities. That will ground them.

Posted by: Jason | May 2 2022 0:35 utc | 195

“My understanding is that there is a “diplomatic corridor” established between Poland and Kiev per arrangement with the Russians.” Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 1 2022 20:14 utc | 114
RSH, Thx. That makes sense (I should have thought of that myself). It is contrary to the hyperbolic MSM rhetoric about Russia as blood thirsty maniacs, but only the most ignorant of the idiotic believe such hyperbole. Also, agree that the trip was political grandstanding. I thought the old decrepit sack of silicon was nearing the end of her political life (and earthly life), or was hoping, at least. Maybe she thinks she still has some game.
On another note, people here should be aware that I think Bernard is an unreasonable anti-American with some kind of personal axe to grind – and he is perfectly capable of trying to sell ridiculous propaganda thinly veiled as “analysis”. I also find that most – but not all – of his followers are an unacceptable spoiled buffet of anti-American, commie/anarchist, conspiracy theorist, Eurotrash; whiners and critics without a viable alternative (the worst type). We’re unlikely to be friends long term. That said, other sources of analysis and discussion, like Pat Lang’s forum, have become even more disingenuous propaganda outlets. I have to think through this myself and am willing to weigh all smart inputs.

Posted by: Eric Newhill | May 2 2022 0:36 utc | 196

spudski #66

“Canadian media reports that the “former” commander of the army, Lieutenant General Trevor Cadier, is in Ukraine, and he has been absent since February. It is speculated that he may be surrounded in #Azovstal”

Thank you spudski, but I can’t resist the temptation: these words substitute for surrounded in that reference –
arrested, detained, caught, overwhelmed, trapped, caught in the act, exposed, revealed, cauldroned even…
So if that source proves to correct, for Lieutenant General Trevor Cadier can I wish him a comfortable rest in the arms of mother Russia if he is ‘rescued’ alive.
AND for his intrepid support for the restoration of fascism throughout europe – a life in prison.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 2 2022 0:36 utc | 197

AParadiseLost #67

So what can be a rational game plan for the Chinese who have ? $1.5 Trillion in Assets/T bills tied up in the US. How does one back out of this predicament, and reclaim their value, before the US preys on them???

Easy, adhere to market forces as good capitalists SELL
I reckon their value is in destruction as appreciation or even possession is high risk and a fiduciary loser.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 2 2022 0:41 utc | 198

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 1 2022 14:50 utc | 16
psychohistorian, karlof1, and others who perhaps correspond with Pepe, Paris is not ignorant of Orthodoxy — there is a Cathedral there, I believe on Rue Darue, that had its origin earlier in tsarist times as well as a Theological Institute, St. Sergius that was formed by forced emigrees when the communists took over. Graduates of the latter helped form St. Vladimir’s in the US which trains priests and promotes Orthodoxy in the US, among other groups.
It’s all there or here, just waiting to be encountered. I for one did my best to inform internet travellers from my first encounters online that there is another Christianity that is different from the Western oriented one. I’ve kept my same web name all through — it is the diminutive form of the name Russian friends in the US gave me when I was chrismated. Today, St. Thomas Sunday, was my first Communion in the church I attended back in the day. It was a family church; our priest was Russian.

Posted by: juliania | May 2 2022 0:42 utc | 199

Aleph_Null | May 2 2022 0:10 utc | 185
Look real to me, the photographer is using a long lens with a small aperture that throws the background out of focus (look up ‘bokeh’).
The problem is pelosi’s rictus grin makes it look like the same frame superimposed. And the light is consistent in the wider shots.

Posted by: Dadda | May 2 2022 0:47 utc | 200