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May 31, 2022

Rape Allegations Against Russian Troops In Ukraine Were Fake

There is a first and still very low noise signal that the Zelenski regime in Kiev is coming apart.

Six weeks ago there were suddenly many claims that Russian soldiers in Ukraine had raped people.

Time headlined:

Ukrainians Who Have Been Raped by Russian Troops Are Refusing to Stay Silent

Ukraine’s human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova said that 25 teenage girls were kept in a basement in Bucha and gang-raped; nine of them are now pregnant. Elderly women spoke on camera about being raped by Russian soldiers. The bodies of children were found naked with their hands tied behind their backs, their genitals mutilated. Those victims included both girls and boys, and Ukrainian men and boys have been sexually assaulted in other incidents. A group of Ukrainian women POWs had their heads shaved in Russian captivity, where they were also stripped naked and forced to squat.

Eager anti-Russian activists were spreading those dubious claims:

Julia Ioffe @juliaioffe - 23:21 UTC · Apr 20, 2022
"25 teenage girls were gang-raped; 9 are now pregnant. Elderly women spoke about being raped by Russian soldiers. The bodies of children were found naked with their hands tied behind their backs, their genitals mutilated." A harrowing read, by @Amie_FR. Link to Time report

Quoting Julia Joffe's tweet I immediately dismissed those claims:

Moon of Alabama @MoonofA - 8:44 UTC · Apr 21, 2022
Such accusations of mass rape by the enemy de jour are made in every war (Libya, Syria) . They rarely turn out to be true.

It turns out that my hunch was right:

Christopher Miller @ChristopherJM - 15:17 UTC · May 31, 2022
Ukraine's parliament just fired human rights ombudsman Lyudmila Denisova. MPs claimed her work focusing on the rape of Ukrainians by Russian troops which "couldn't be confirmed with evidence [...] only harmed Ukraine and distracted the global media from Ukraine's real needs."

238 MPs voted her out. Other complaints were that Denisova had failed to organize humanitarian corridors and POW exchanges, and that she had spent time in "warm Western Europe" during the invasion "but not in Russia or Belarus, where her status and powers could help prisoners."

Lyudmila Denisova had made lots of sensational claims about Russian soldiers:

Ukraine's human-rights commissioner said on Tuesday that investigators had heard more than 400 allegations of sexual violence, including rape, of Ukrainians by Russian soldiers in the space of two weeks.
"There are two features," Denisova said.

First, she said, the allegations generally involve young soldiers between 20 and 25 years old. "That is, those who just grew up on Putin's rule, on his propaganda," she said.

Second, the soldiers are typically accused of committing rape in public or in view of others, she said. She gave an example of a 25-year-old woman who said she was made to watch the rape of her 16-year-old sister and begged that they rape her instead.

"We need help for both," said Denisova. She went on to describe the alleged rapes of two 11-year-olds, a girl and a boy, and a 14-year-old.

She said she had received a report that the 11-year old girl was raped after sneaking out to pick flowers in Hostomel, a city northwest of Kyiv that has been under heavy assault. She said the girl "remembers only the beginning, and then remembers nothing, only when she was knocked to the ground."

Back then the rape allegations were part of the Ukrainian propaganda campaign:

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba said on Friday that Russian soldiers had committed rape in Ukrainian cities.

Kuleba did not give any evidence for his claim. Reuters was unable to independently verify the claim.

"When bombs fall on your cities, when soldiers rape women in the occupied cities - and we have numerous cases of, unfortunately, when Russian soldiers rape women in Ukrainian cities - it's difficult, of course, to speak about the efficiency of international law," Kuleba told an event at Chatham House in London.

However, a bunch of eager NGOs in Ukraine, hoping for fresh 'western' money for new 'rape consultation and recovery' projects, tried to find real rape cases. They were disappointed when they found that there was no evidence that any rape had taken place (machine translation):

On May 25, a number of media outlets and NGOs published an open appeal to Lyudmila Denisova calling for improved communication on sexual crimes during the war.

The signatories insist that Denisova should disclose only information about which there is sufficient evidence, avoid sensationalism and excessive detail in their reports, use correct terminology and take care of the confidentiality and safety of victims.

"Sexual crimes during the war are family tragedies, a difficult traumatic topic, not a topic for publications in the spirit of the 'scandalous chronicle.' We need to keep in mind the goal: to draw attention to the facts of crimes, "the appeal reads.

Other reason cited for firing Denisova were her extensive stays in west Europe during the war and her neglect of negotiations with Russia about prisoner exchanges and other humanitarian issues:

[Deputy Chairman of the Standing Committee the Verkhovna Rada Pavlo] Frolov also noted that since the beginning of the war and the great suffering of Ukrainians, Denisova has hardly exercised her authority to organize humanitarian corridors, protect and exchange prisoners, oppose the deportation of people and children from the occupied territories, and other human rights activities.

The incomprehensible concentration of the ombudsman's media work on numerous details of "unnatural sexual crimes" and "rape of children" in the occupied territories, which could not be confirmed by evidence, only harmed Ukraine and distracted the world media from Ukraine's real needs.

After February 24, the current Verkhovna Rada Commissioner for Human Rights spent abroad, but not in Russia or Belarus, where her status and powers could help prisoners, deportees and victims of the occupation of Kherson, and in Davos, Vienna, Warsaw and other warm Western Europe.

Denisova had become too embarrassing. Her firing seems to be part of a remake of the Ukraine propaganda campaign. Here is another data point from The London Times  that points into this direction:

Azov Battalion drops neo-Nazi symbol exploited by Russian propagandists (not satire)

The Azov Battalion has removed a neo-Nazi symbol from its insignia that has helped perpetuate Russian propaganda about Ukraine being in the grip of far-right nationalism.

At the unveiling of a new special forces unit in Kharkiv, patches handed to soldiers did not feature the wolfsangel, a medieval German symbol that was adopted by the Nazis and which has been used by the battalion since 2014.

This reminds one of al-Qaida in Syria which was relabeled to Jabhat al-Nusra before being named Jabhat Fatah al-Sham and ended up being called Hayat Tahrir al-Sham. Names and symbols changed. But all the time the leadership, ideology and behavior of the group stayed the same.

Rebranding of radical groups to make them more acceptable in 'western' media happens all the time. Here are two more Moon of Alabama headlines about similar product name changes:

To summarize:

  • The rape allegations against Russian soldiers in Ukraine were made up and false.
  • The Ukrainian propagandist responsible for them has been fired.
  • Ukraine and its Nazi stormtroopers of the Azov battalion are correcting their appearance to become more acceptable for the 'western' public.

Nothing of the above will change the cold fact that Ukraine and the 'west' are losing in their war against Russia.

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Posted by: sln2002 | May 31 2022 22:47 utc | 93

Well I sit somewhere in the middle of the two schools of thought here. I think it will be relatively easy for Russia to denazify and essentially support or control all the Eastern and Donbass provinces. This is a liberation operation, rather than any sort of invasion.

I think strategically even if very difficult they should seize (yes i am using that word) Odessa and Nikleyev and probably Kharkov. Sad but true, these are strategically important and if not controlled certain to mean another war in 5 years. Of course I have no idea of the military implications and whether in fact this is possible or wise.

As for the rest I would support province or even town by town referenda to see where they wish to be but I would not advise Russia trying to take control either directly or indirectly. It is just too difficult to control a hostile population. Better to build up the East and south to prosperity until the centre of Ukraine sees the value in joining the Russian sphere. A much smaller Ukraine, centred on Kiev, but without the loony west might in fact be a good outcome, as it could probably be made genuinely neutral.

I would however have some provisos. No NATO membership. No offensive installations. No foreign troops or advisors.

Posted by: watcher | May 31 2022 23:27 utc | 101

Latest Russian MoD briefing...

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

During an inspection of the Azovstal plant underground facilities in Mariupol, where the surrendered Nazis of the Ukrainian Azov formation were hiding, Russian servicemen found an isothermal van.

152 bodies of dead fighters and servicemen of the AFU were stored in the van with the broken cooling system.

I recall that before surrendering, the Azov command publicly appealed to Zelensky to take the bodies of the dead so that their families could bury them on Kiev-controlled territory.

However, there were no requests from Kiev to receive the bodies of the dead from the Azovstal plant.

Moreover, during the inspection of the van, Russian sappers found four mines under the bodies of the dead Ukrainian soldiers. The total mass of explosives in them was enough to destroy all the bodies left in the van.

Based on the results of interrogations of captured Azov fighters, it has been established that the mining of the bodies was carried out on direct orders from Kiev.

The purpose of the provocation is to accuse Russia of deliberately destroying the bodies and preventing their removal for transfer to relatives in order to save the political "reputation" of the Kiev regime and Zelensky personally.

In the near future, the Russian side plans to hand over the bodies of Ukrainian fighters and servicemen found on the territory of Azovstal plant to representatives of Ukraine.

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

During the day, high-precision air-based missiles have hit 4 control points, as well as 13 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment.

Operational-tactical, army and unmanned aviation have hit 3 command posts, 69 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, 1 radar station and 2 ammunition depots of the AFU near Raigorodok and Nikolaevka, Donetsk People's Republic.

The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 290 nationalists and 23 weapons and military equipment. 1 Su-25 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force has been shot down near Kobzatsy, Nikolaev Region.

Russian air defense means have shot down 6 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Donetsk, Makeevka in Donetsk People's Republic, Popasnaya in Lugansk People's Republic, Liptsy, Bolshie Prokhody in Kharkov Region, including 1 UAV have been shot down near Snake Island.

Missile troops and artillery have hit 38 command posts, 417 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, and 46 firing positions of artillery and mortar batteries.

36 pieces of weapons and military equipment nave been destroyed, including 1 Ukrainian Uragan multiple-launch rocket system battery, 1 Grad multiple-launch rocket system battery, 2 ammunition depots, and 1 fuel depot.

In total, 184 Ukrainian aircraft and 128 helicopters, 1,070 unmanned aerial vehicles, 325 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,342 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 454 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,738 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,311 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2022 23:30 utc | 102

@ Roger 100
The EU Needs More Than $1 Trillion For Plan To Ditch Russian Oil And Gas

And between now and 2030, when (or if) renewables are finished, gas and oil prices are going through the roof. "Europe’s Unquenchable Natural Gas Thirst Is Sending Prices Soaring" . .here and "just like in the stagflationary 1970s, surging oil prices--exacerbated by foreign wars--are proving to be one of the biggest headaches for households and policymakers. They’re depressing consumer sentiment, factoring into rising inflation expectations, and undermining hopes for a “Roaring ’20s.” . . .here.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 31 2022 23:43 utc | 103

Posted by: Roger | May 31 2022 23:25 utc | 100

They just can't wait to get us all entirely dependent on the grid with smart meters, social credit, rationing, the works.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 31 2022 23:45 utc | 104

I've seen Russian soldiers in action through Patrick Lancaster's YouTube channel..
Very professional and VERY polite.
My guess is that President Putin would NOT appreciate such behavior on his watch and that it would provoke a proper punishment.

I guess the West will have to continue to cope and seethe LOL!

Posted by: Kay | May 31 2022 23:49 utc | 105

Posted by: bevin | May 31 2022 23:27 utc | 101

"I was simply pointing out that Turkey, which does not always act exactly according to its Treaty Obligations, has, in effect, vetoed a projected NATO provocation in the form of a naval exercise."

Pure speculation but every time I read about how Turkey is prohibiting passage into Black Sea I presume that one of three things is in play:
Either this is fake news in the sense that Turkey is providing an excuse for NATO to not get into open confrontation on the vicious choppy waters of the Black Sea
Russia has leverage on Turkey somehow
This is a phony (i.e. managed by both sides) war.

Put another way: if the NATO axis really wanted into the Black Sea then presumably they would be in already.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 31 2022 23:50 utc | 106

An extremely useful introduction to this subject at RT today.
"Modern Ukraine was built on an anti-Russia foundation, but a large part of the country refused to play along.
"Ukraine's divisions will help Russia consolidate the territory it now controls. But there's a lot of challenges ahead"

Written by Alexander Nepogodin from Odessa it explains the divisions in Ukraine. It ends thus:

"..The main goal today is to fight for the hearts and minds of the Russian-speaking Ukrainians. In order to achieve success, Moscow will have to move the Russian identity into the foreground by boosting local patriotism, including in the areas it does not control. This won’t be too hard a task, as the people’s identity in the southeastern regions of Ukraine – the territories of historical Novorossiya – is basically the same it was 100 years ago, in many respects. And the differences that may be found are not that important in terms of deciding the future of the region.

"What is much more important is that the history of Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev and Melitopol is deeply rooted in Russian history and culture, because this is what plays an active part in molding the Russian national identity of the people living in Ukraine’s southeast, particularly the Russian-speaking Ukrainians. And Moscow can choose to use this trump card, especially given Kiev’s intolerance towards all those who think differently, political persecution and attempts to do away with the Russian language and culture. We just need to acknowledge that the process of self-determination of the Ukrainian nation is still ongoing, and to realize that the crucial battle for human minds is unfolding at this very moment."

If anyone has difficulty in these Totalitarian media monopoly states in accessing the article it might be worth copying and pasting it. (Warning. The content of the article, which is by a political scientist and historian rather than a hagiographer might offend the sort of people who find Scott Ritter's independence of mind out of order.)

Posted by: bevin | May 31 2022 23:50 utc | 107

Scorpion @107
As you say: pure speculation. The quality of which is made clear by your suggestion that "This is a phony (i.e. managed by both sides) war."

Posted by: bevin | May 31 2022 23:55 utc | 108

The consensus here is, military victory of the RF's SMO is foregone conclusion. How then could DPR and LPR enforce sovereignty whether or not incorporated in the federation?
The Russia-Ukraine Conflict, the Black Sea, and the Montreux Convention

The Montreux Convention is unique in the law of the sea in that it explicitly discriminates against nations outside the Black Sea. Instead, Montreux favors six "Black Sea Powers" (Soviets (Ukraine), Turkey, Romania, Georgia, and Bulgaria) over "non-Black Sea Powers" (everyone else).

enforce maritime law ona bunch of pirates who assert that "embargo" means prohibiting third-party commerce, IF everyone else enforces "sanctions" prohibiting imports the pirate confederacy rather no one else not purchase.
Other Considerations: the U.S. and NATO Maritime Presence and Strategic Concerns Around Escalation
The U.S. was absent from the Montreux Convention negotiations and has not joined the treaty. Nevertheless, the U.S. abides by the Convention under customary international law.
While there is no provision in the body of the Montreux Convention addressing aircraft carriers, a nuclear aircraft carrier is a capital ship that exceeds Montreux's tonnage limitations. But other U.S. and NATO vessels could still feasibly transit the Turkish Straits, provided they give Turkey ample notice under the Convention (15 days for all non-Black Sea Powers).

vdL's public promotion of DK, SE, FI doesn't mention these time-sensitve restrictions on "free passage" -or- Svalbard Treaty terms and conditions of "equality"
Vessels of war belonging to non-Black Sea Powers - which includes much of NATO's maritime force - are prohibited from remaining in the Black Sea for more than 21 days. Putin may see an increased NATO presence in the Black Sea as an escalatory measure, so it remains unclear whether this is being seriously considered [a treaty violation]
OK. Let's "circle back" to unstated objections to TR veto authority to arrest random NATO Art. 10 "invitations" and applications in, say, December. Will vdL's brain trust have devised means to circumvent Montreux? Possibly subvert DPR national security? Who cares?

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 1 2022 0:01 utc | 109

Posted by: bevin | May 31 2022 23:50 utc | 108

I suspect that language map from 2014 is going to more or less depict the initial new map and after the local populations have made their wishes known we'll know to what extend they are part of or allied with RF.

Maybe they'll pick the easy fruit first with the highest concentration of Russian speakers most likely to immediately vote to exit Ukraine. That should include Odessa (culture-wise at least I believe) but SMO not in that zone yet. Am curious to see if Kiev ends up going back to Mother Russia or remains enthralled with the notion of joining basket case Eurozone.

I do not understand why it is assumed by some that RF feels they can enforce on many nations what they offered in their treaty documentation. Given there is only an implacable enemy on the other side this seems unlikely. More likely is that whether or not West maintains the sanctions, Eurasia is going to detach from the West for the foreseeable future and essentially give them a choice: 'implode or get your own houses in order as we have done and keep your greedy snouts out of ours.'

Could end up being a win-win for the whole world.

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 1 2022 0:06 utc | 110

They needed a war.
Posted by: Roger | May 31 2022 23:25 utc | 100

yes, they (meaning EUCO, heads of state) could not devise a more compelling "mechanism" to separate the hoi polloi from consumable goods.

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 1 2022 0:09 utc | 111

@Bevin 108 you can see this sentiment expressed in the interviews Patrick Lancaster did in his road trip toward Kherson video. Quite heartening. Odessa has been subject to tyranny for the past 8 years, and given its strategic importance is sure to be packed with the worst kind of scum to control the population - like Mariupol. Russia needs more troops yesterday in the Kherson region.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 1 2022 0:09 utc | 112

Posted by: bevin | May 31 2022 23:55 utc | 109

"Scorpion @107
As you say: pure speculation. The quality of which is made clear by your suggestion that "This is a phony (i.e. managed by both sides) war.""

Your objection to the notion is duly noted! Whether or not you like it, if history - at least in Europe - is any guide then it IS a distinct possibility. One moreover that explains quite a lot of puzzling decisions on both sides....

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 1 2022 0:13 utc | 113

Hellraiser is gonna give u a feeling for that :)

Posted by: Macpott | Jun 1 2022 0:14 utc | 114

First casualty in war has always been the truth. It's always best to wait and not accept anything you see and hear especially from MSM.

Posted by: Ian2 | Jun 1 2022 0:18 utc | 115

Demilitarisation of all of Ukraine suggests there will be no Ukraine military organisation after the SMO is finished. Maintaining demilitarisation means that Russia will be controlling all of the Ukraine to the degree necessary that there is no remilitarisation.

Posted by: tucenz | Jun 1 2022 0:25 utc | 116

Readovka comments on Arestovich admission about the most recent Kherson debacle when up to 200 AFUs were KIA:

A counterattack on Russian units is possible as never before — you should not be too happy about the "admission of defeat" by Arestovich.

Let us repeat once again that the defeatist sentiments in the statements of the Ukrainian side can only be a screen for preparing a counterattack or sabotage on Russian territory. After all, something similar has already been said before. Today, "anonymous" statements from sources from the American side have appeared that they are "concerned about the escalation, but still do not want to set geographical restrictions or tie their hands too much with what we give them."

In fact, this is the removal of responsibility for possible strikes on Russian territory by MLRS systems. In general, we recommend that colleagues stop overclocking the "zrada" (defeat). The enemy is insidious and "shapkozakidatelstvo" (hat-throwing) is completely out of place now.

Posted by: Bloke from block 8 | Jun 1 2022 0:35 utc | 117

bevin | May 31 2022 23:50 utc | 108

Thanks for referencing that article. The way he describes the three parts of Ukraine clears up what I viewed as neutral Ukraine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 0:36 utc | 118

sln2002 | Jun 1 2022 0:01 utc | 110

That must have been a tongue-twister, eh?

Posted by: donten | Jun 1 2022 0:43 utc | 119

I am starting to get a feel for the Ukraine, province by province (started at zero). It seems clear to me that Lugansk, Kherson and most of Zaporhizia are already solidly pro Russian and will either join Russia completely or be solidly independent. Donetsk seems a bit mixed but we will know more once the SMO is completed.

I understand about the cultural links of Odessa and Nikoleyev but worry that the last 8 years may have changed things.

Kharkov i think is a big disappointment to Russia. I am waiting and watching. Not much is ever said about Sumy or indeed any of the provinces bordering Belorus

Kiev is a big question mark.

Frankly I suspect that giving the western provinces might be good- excise a NAZI cancer.

Given my trivial knowledge base i would be happy to be corrected/informed.

Posted by: watcher | Jun 1 2022 1:01 utc | 120

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 31 2022 22:03 utc | 80

"Ritter continues to make the false argument that because Russia isn't doing something now to his satisfaction that Russia isn't going to do it."

Funny thing. I still don't read him saying that. What I see is a guy trying to "explore the envelope" and providing analysis that he repeatedly says should not be taken as gospel.

In response, others, like yourself. taking offense that he's no longer singing the same song you are.

"I reiterate for the slow: No one knows the Russian objectives in Ukraine or beyond except Putin,"

Apparently you are one of the "slow ones" since that is exactly what Ritter has been saying.,

And if you don't like being insulted, then kindly refrain from insulting.

Posted by: Fiji Refugee | Jun 1 2022 1:06 utc | 121

In response to
"According to Glazyev, the forum 'discussed the model of a new global settlement currency pegged to baskets of national currencies and commodities. The introduction of this currency instrument in Eurasia will entail the collapse of the dollar system and the final undermining of the US military and political power. It is necessary to start negotiations on signing an appropriate international treaty within the framework of the SCO.'"

Yet much more must be done to bring the numerous aspects into harmony for the new system to properly function. And that's what much of the update's about.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 31 2022 22:13 utc | 84

Thanks for all your reporting Karl. Yes, it would be nice to see more meat on the bones of the new financial system but I am willing to wait until they are ready. I expect the timing on the release of the details and implementation time frame are important to work out as well and I expect there is a polling of interested countries at maybe different levels of participation????

How exciting to speculate on the silver bullet to end global private finance hegemony.....and to think that Ukraine ended up being the fuse that forced Hand, The Invisible to go for broke by expelling Russia from the global private banking system. I am going to feel much more comfortable with the potential new system of finance if China is a representative part of the structure which, IMO, should be the replacement for the existing UN because of its core functionality to global commerce.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Jun 1 2022 1:13 utc | 122

this reminds me of :

We apologise again for the fault in the subtitles. Those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked have been sacked.

Posted by: Manage without me | Jun 1 2022 1:18 utc | 123

Posted by: Fiji Refugee | Jun 1 2022 1:06 utc | 122

And if you can't provide anything useful to the discussion, suggest you go somewhere else. I personally don't give a rat's ass about your opinion - or anyone else's.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2022 1:26 utc | 124

sln2002 | May 31 2022 21:14 utc | 66

I refer to Ukrainian politicians being possibly pushed by families of POW's. Obviously the Russians will never give up the Nazi types in an exchnage. I was refering to POW's Ukranian soldiers. The Nazi soldiers will face trial.

Clearly something happened here with that lady being fired. I merely speculate. Anyone who says they really know what is going on is lying. That should also go without saaying.

I also refer to Ukrainia POW's given time to call their families. I have no idea what the other side is doing with their POW's. It makes perfect sense, its an excellent humanitarian gesture, and it give the Ukrainian families a better idea of what is really going on in the field.

What better way to spread reality than a phone call from a POW. Fuck you tube and the media bullshit.

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 1 2022 1:33 utc | 125

karlof1 @31

Good news for Russia and China on mutual trade.

The Anglo/Zionists can't win the war on the battlefield, can't win the propaganda war and can't win the economic war, despite the number of times they use the word "evidence" in 'news' broadcasts without actually producing any real evidence.

The rest of the world asks: what dangerous and unpredictable 'allies'?

Russia has further cut off gas supplies to Europe, after state energy giant Gazprom turned off the taps to a top Dutch trader and halted flows to Denmark and Germany. The intensification of the economic battle on Tuesday over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine follows the EU’s overnight decision to place an embargo on most Russian oil imports as part of its financial sanctions against the Kremlin:

Russia could make the dollar less attractive with negative interest rates on deposits to help elevate China's yuan and other currencies

Meanwhile in the US:

Grain harvest in Australia:

Posted by: Paul | Jun 1 2022 1:42 utc | 126

@Bevin 108 - I take issue with some of Alexander Nepogodin's characterizations. While Ukrainian was taught in schools to all students since Soviet times I would say that between 2000 and 2004 about 80% of Ukrainians spoke Russian as their primary language and those other 20% understood it perfectly well. Perhaps more people in western Ukraine spoke Ukrainian in their homes but Russian was the language of business, education, science, and commerce. The effort to change this situation began in the '90s, but wasn't really a big national issue until after 2000 and the leadup to the 'Orange' vote that elected Victor Yushenko. This effort was pushed by western NGOs just as it was in the Baltics. There was no hostility toward Ukrainian for the most part and everyone read Taras Shevchenko's poetry in school and some pop singers sang in Ukrainian and people liked those songs, at least in Kiev - no problem. The problem was the artificial one of mandating Ukrainian as the only national language and forcibly trying to erase Russian culture from the entire country - a western supported initiative, as in the Baltic states.

Here is the internet search map based on language from 2013 again The result of 10 years of effort to change behavior is what this map shows - no effect in the south and east.

Additionally, Ukraine was joined at the hip economically with Russia. The western attempt to sever those economic ties (with a sledgehammer after 2014) was devastating for economic development.

Here is what I wrote about this issue a couple of days ago at the end of one of these threads:

My take on Ukrainian public opinion (biased toward opinions from Kiev).

It's the 40 and under crowd that is the 'problem'. They have grown up as "Ukrainians" and been subject to relentless anti-Russian propaganda for the past couple of decades - truly unrelenting since 2014. People who were inclined to be sympathetic to Russia -typically Russian speakers who's fathers served in the Soviet armed forces (still a large majority in 2004) - became disillusioned [with Russia] following the 2014 coup. The loss of Crimea was a big psychological blow. Ukrainians loved to "take rest by the sea" and would take the overnight train to Crimea in the summer to swim in the sea for both mental and physical health. Many of them spent time as kids at summer camps in Crimea. They were deeply offended by the change and loss of easy access. People in Kiev tended to think of the eastern [separatist] regions as backward. They lived in the capital, a 'European' city with many foreign tourists, western goods in the shops (there to see even if you couldn't afford them), and promises of eventual EU membership and easy travel to the rest of Europe. They looked down on Donbass refugees that flooded in after the fighting started in the east.

The primary complaint of the Ukrainian citizenry for decades has been government corruption and ineffectiveness. This is what fueled the popular support for the Maidan protests in 2004. All heads of state have lost favor following their election as it became clear that they were no better than the last crook and the economy began to steadily deteriorate after 2000. While one might think that after 2014 when the economic deterioration accelerated with loss of trade and jobs tied to Russia people would have realized that they were being used by the West, but government anti-Russian propaganda seems to have been effective in assigning the blame to all things Russian - including the continuing war in the east against the separatists.

The propaganda has been so effective that at the start of the SMO when Kiev was being targeted, people who had been sympathetic to Russia all their lives overnight became Ukrainian patriots ready to defend their country against the attackers. Zero reflection about the causes of their situation. This sentiment will not dissipate easily. The war represents extreme uncertainty for them and they are not allowed to express any sympathy for Russia. The only thing they have at the moment is their feeling of national identity and solidarity in the face of a grave threat.

The Ukrainian political class is entirely, deeply corrupt. They have flirted and danced with the IMF, the West, and NATO only in order to line their own pockets. The SMO threatens their way of life. Poroshenko, the "chocolate king", does business in Russia and is under indictment for treason for having made a deal with the Donbass republics to supply coal for Ukrainian power plants. Yet he prosecuted the war against the separatists mercilessly and refused to negotiate with them and implement the Minsk accords. totally amoral, completely typical.

Who can take power and negotiate with Russia? Only the military I think.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 1 2022 1:51 utc | 127

@Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2022 1:26 utc | 125

Take a pill Richard.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 1 2022 1:57 utc | 128

Hey james, Bernard Purdie! One of my favorite drummers. Being one myself. Have a Steely Dan video, the making of Aja. He's on it. Great vid.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jun 1 2022 2:03 utc | 129

Posted by: William Gruff | May 31 2022 17:21 utc | 17

Is this you?'

As first hallucinated in Herr Doktor Schwab’s pulsating brain, apparently many years ago, the Great Re-set was initially scheduled for 2050, a sort of leisurely stroll-in-the-park to the shimmering gates of transhumanism. Then the gang got nervous and pushed it up to 2030 (climate change, and all). When that retrograde monster of US politics, Donald Trump, came on the scene, they panicked and re-set their Re-set for 2023. Now, despite the surface decorum of this year’s Davos meet-up, it looks like they are — as we say here in the old New World — losing their shit.

How come? Well, for one thing, we appear to be in a close race between Klaus’s controlled demolition of the global economy and the US midterm elections this November, and perhaps the gang perceives that won’t go so well for them. Their key project in the 2022 offensive, the War in Ukraine, isn’t working out, either. The idea, it seems, was to bog down and humiliate the Russians so as to bring on the defenestration of Mr. Putin, who, believe it or not and despite the tsunamis of aspersion loosed on him by WEF-funded propagandists, is strangely and actually a defender of Western Civ. Yeah, I know, a stunner, right? (God works in mysterious ways — but the Davos Gangsters don’t believe in him / her / they.)

In their cuckoo clock universe, they are too busy counting the teeth on the gears inside because they are the “experts” and that’s what they do. Which brings us to one of the central fallacies of the mechanistic world-view: that if you measure enough things, you will be able to control them. Their beloved data is betraying them as it leaks out of the Pfizer vaults. They screwed-the-pooch on the Covid-19 caper and now the data is biting Klaus and Company on the ass. Especially Oberstleutnant Bill Gates’s ass, who was supposed to be in charge of the vaccine op and is jetting around the world now talking out of said cloacal aperture so recklessly that folks are looking to the lampposts of every country he lands in.

Hence, the desperate attempts at censorship by WEF stooges-in-place all around the world. And see how well that has gone, especially in the USA under WEF-installed “Joe Biden,” the cigar-store-Indian in executive drag, who fronts for a US wrecking-crew cabinet of oafs, losers, and reprobates. Has the world ever seen a more laughable official exercise than the botched appointment of one Nina Jankowicz, the Singing Censor, to the idiotically-conceived Disinformation Governance Board? They might as well have taken out a Jumbotron billboard ad in Times Square screaming Your Government: We Suck in flashing psychedelic pixels.

And yet, that demolition of the global economy proceeds a’pace as, with all demolitions, once things start crashing, nothing will stop it. Supply chains for everything are breaking, with sneaky ramifications. For instance, the ammonia-based chemical additive for diesel fuel used to reduce nitrogen oxide emissions from trucks is getting scarce. New EPA rules require computerized sensors in truck engines that register nitrogen oxide levels. If they are too high, the sensors automatically cut the engine. Result: trucks stop running. Further result: nothing gets delivered. Furthest result: you starve.

The WEF worked on its starvation program from other angles, too. The Ukraine-Russian war was engineered to reduce the global wheat supply by a hefty cut, say around 30 percent, as well as to curtail fertilizer exports from the world’s main producers of them: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus. No khobz f’tir for you, peoples of North Africa! (And no Hostess Ding Dongs for you, peoples of Calumet Heights, Illinois!).

Meanwhile, ......

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 1 2022 2:07 utc | 130

by downplaying the Nazi threat, rags like Counterpunch deny the threat these skinheads pose to the US populace itself, when numbers of them inevitably immigrate here, for being such good and faithful servants. you think the Cuba lobby is bad? just wait. Israel + Cuba + Saudis + etc., etc., now w/more Ukraine! what could go wrong? they can get jobs with ICE to stand around and do nothing except when children are in cages. oh, and keeping the "illegals" away from school water fountains.

but on the plus side of US assets from Ukraine moving here, there will be more voices braying that the US can't win a war or build an airplane or keep the Mexes out of Texas because the country is waaaaaay too gay. i'm curious, not bicurious, just curious, since i don't follow all the efforts to turn this country into one gigantic big gay bathhouse, but haven't the Rachel Maddowses and that gay dude at CNN, Anderson Copper, and Human Rights Watch types done pretty much what everyone else mainstream in the US has done, just jump on the band wagon of destroying Russia? doing what they are paid for, that is.

on the other hand, love is a battlefield and some Azov beef-witted beefcakes might show the closeted Spartans here in the US some real tight hoplite formations. shudder! horrors! worst of the worst.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 1 2022 2:09 utc | 131

Scorpion | Jun 1 2022 2:07 utc | 131
oh god. this shit again? it just never stops. China just beat back another wave of the coronavirus. for the 3rd fucking year, China's policy against the virus is working. it's the only thing that is working.

thanks for your fairy tales about MCU supervillain bill gates.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 1 2022 2:19 utc | 132

Fiji Refugee@122
I agree. I often wonder if some of those posting here have ever actually spent any time in a bar in which whisky and other alcoholic beverages are consumed.
Most of them discourage the sort of insolence that leads to angry disputes, broken glasses and fights.
And people who cannot control themselves and constantly start disputes, often on the most trivial excuses are barred. Or kept out of the place by customers who just want to discuss things sensibly, politely and with a view to coming to an agreement.
The great thing about a decent bar is that you meet all sorts of people, some of them for the first time, who have had various, often exotic experiences, have travelled widely (or not at all, which is also an interesting perspective), and are as ready to consider the views of others as to share their own.
I suppose there are bars where everyone sits quietly and listens to the village loudmouth, notebook in hand. But I wouldn't want to go to one. And if Bertolt Brecht did it doesn't show in his work.

Posted by: bevin | Jun 1 2022 2:20 utc | 133

"I have been on record for years that the best what Western Civilization gave to the world survives today in Russia. For all (justified) distancing of modern Russia from contemporary West, it is Russia who is genuinely Western in civilizational sense than modern day Europe or the United States. Especially when one gets to the definition of Western Civilization, such as given by late Roger Scruton, who, incidentally, was a Russophobe.

The Kunstler excerpt 2 posts above is from one of Andrei M's latest:

"The roots of Western civilization lie in the religion of Israel, the culture of Greece, and the law of Rome, and the resulting synthesis has flourished and decayed in a thousand ways during the two millennia which followed the death of Christ"
What passes today for modern "West" is hardly Western in any meaningful sense and loses last connections to what Western mind and ethos were in the last 500 years, which gave us not only wars and suffering--characteristic of ANY civilization--but greatest achievements of science, art, industry and human spirit. Most of it is gone today in the combined West. Which is post-Christian not in a sense of the dwindling number of people attending church services on Sunday but in losing Christian ethics substituting it with terrifying menagerie of human anomalies in moral and physiological sense. This becomes evident to many people nowadays, and while Russia is not without her own blemishes of national character and life, what she represents today for many people around the world, is what the combined West was supposed to become but never did. "

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 1 2022 2:20 utc | 134

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Jun 1 2022 2:19 utc | 133

Well, I don't agree with every point. It was more the style of writing that made me think that maybe the author was the poster here William Gruff!

Plus: Martyanov enjoyed it too at whose blog I picked up the link...

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 1 2022 2:41 utc | 135

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 1 2022 2:20 utc | 135
"The roots of Western civilization lie in the religion of Israel, the culture of Greece, and the law of Rome, and the resulting synthesis has flourished and decayed in a thousand ways during the two millennia which followed the death of Christ"

Well if that is true then Anglo-Saxons are not part of Western civilization because their law is not of Rome.
Only continental Europe, Central and South America, Southern Africa and Quebec then.

Posted by: hopehely | Jun 1 2022 2:44 utc | 136

"from The London Times that "

Please get this right.

There is no such newspaper as The London Times.

There is a newspaper called The Times which is published in London. If you wish to distinguish between this newspaper and the cheapo knock-offs which use "Times" in their names, the best formula is "The Times(London)".

Real journalists should know this.

Posted by: RoHa | Jun 1 2022 2:44 utc | 137

I understand Putins strategic objectives very well. So far he is failing. From the US strategic perspective he can send his armies to Berlin, fuck Putin can vacation in Paris, we don’t care. He will have to fight his way through approx. 100 million who remember Russian domination. He either stops at the Dnipier and works out some kind of deal ( fantasies about Poland taking the Ukraine are fantasies Poland tried that and it did not work—a unified Commonwealth of the Baltics Poland Ukraine and Finland is far more probable). Who and how becomes less likely every day. He will have to abandon the facade of SMO. Are the Russian people ready for a war of aggression against Europe? The Us does not care, go ahead and find out Putin, we know the Poles will resist as well as the Ukrainians.

Posted by: Wobblie | Jun 1 2022 2:46 utc | 138

Posted by: Roger | May 31 2022 23:25 utc | 100

No matter how one slices it, no matter who is or isn't in charge (and even if no one is in charge), it's going to be austerity.

Posted by: Seer | Jun 1 2022 2:50 utc | 139

headline on zh now is about Ukrainian prosecutor losing her job regarding the rape allegations.
the barkeep and the crew are onto something.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 1 2022 2:53 utc | 140

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 1 2022 1:51 utc | 128
> They (People in Kiev) looked down on Donbass refugees that flooded in after the fighting started in the east.
I never heard of Donbass refugees flooding Kiev in 2014. They were going to Russia mostly then.

Posted by: hopehely | Jun 1 2022 2:57 utc | 141

Brace yourselves. It's going to be non-stop war crimes for the next little while. Who committed the most and how often.

Posted by: dh | Jun 1 2022 3:05 utc | 142

Long time barfly here, generally a lurker. I have but one question today: who is the new UberReposter RSH, and why does he have to be such an absolute fucking dick all the time? His dickhead responses just jump off the page so I was just wondering if someone can explain this recent MoA phenomenon. To be clear, I am usually in agreement with his/her comments and observations, so it's the total asshole know-it-all-because-I-am-also-on-Russian-telegram vibe I am trying to wrap my head around. =)

Posted by: HD | Jun 1 2022 3:16 utc | 143

HD | Jun 1 2022 3:16 utc | 144

A dodering old gam,ere with a wealth of experience playing war games on a computer. Putin and Shoygu ring him daily for advice on how to prosecute the war in Ukraine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 3:25 utc | 144

SBU spying on and tapping the phones of foreign delegations.
SBU officers were fleeing from the Donbas so quickly that they left secret documentation behind. As it turned out, the SBU develops and recruits all members of foreign delegations that arrive in Ukraine. All foreigners are monitored and wiretapped around the clock. This document contains a report on surveillance indicating the wiretapped phone numbers of the delegation from Germany, which included Herbert Salber, a member of the Normandy group, and Daniel Ricco, an employee of the German Embassy in Ukraine. The video shows the results of surveillance.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 3:38 utc | 145

@hopehely | Jun 1 2022 2:57 utc | 142

Many displaced by the fighting also headed west to Kiev where they were discriminated against when seeking employment.

Posted by: the pessimist | Jun 1 2022 3:49 utc | 146

Hi HD - Check the bank surveillace vidoes in dowtown SF or the nightwatch cameras at the SROs in the Tenderloin. He will make an appearance. I like RSH.

Posted by: lex talionis | Jun 1 2022 4:00 utc | 147

The New Atlas Guy - first time I'm watching him - goes through the HIMARS systems and shows why they ain't gonna do squat for Ukraine. It's amazing how many vehicles and support troops are needed for just one battery of 9 vehicles. The videos on Telegram always show you just the howitzers and a few guys - in reality, it's nothing like that. They don't show you the minimum 15-20 vehicles in support and the dozens of other guys needed to get targeting data, to provide logistics support, truck drivers, etc., etc. As he points out, this is not only something that is a logistically large unit, it's actually a physically large unit. As he says, "Russia is going to notice that." And he says, "if you can't get food, water and ammunition to the front, how are you going to get these units there?"

Otherwise, nothing new we don't already know. But I may start following him as he goes into some detail.

Russian Ops in Ukraine: Rocket Launchers and Lost Cities

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2022 4:21 utc | 148

I heard an interview with admiral James Stavridis today on a Sacramento CA station. This guy is so full of shit it's coming out his ears. Of course, Russia is losing and any day now the Ukrainian army will be marching on Moscow. They just need more weapons. Unless everything I have read here and at the Saker is bullshit. Which I seriously doubt. Sounds like Vietnam. Victory is right around the corner! I can't imagine that idiots like this actually we're NATO commanders. Or maybe I can.

Posted by: Immaculate deception | Jun 1 2022 4:23 utc | 149

It seems like trolls are taking over the website, trying to make this a redneck affair. But don't you people have hundreds of other sites where your parsing of MSM stuff is celebrated.

RHS is on the same page as B and many others including karloff1 (subtle), Tom Collins, Paul greenwood. I come here to read B and read these people, not the ridiculous trolls.

Fijii refugee mention a bar where ignorant people get into discussions and lead to them fighting. But says barring these good folks are done on feeble excuses. That is the intelligence of these trolls.

It is RHS frustration with dealing with spinner garbage. It is the fact that you don't read enough and come on with MSM sound bites to feed your predjudices and biases.

I strongly suggest a rememdy for your maladies: Put on a tin hat, go to Ukraine and get blown to hell.

Posted by: Karl luck | Jun 1 2022 4:35 utc | 150

@150 RSH

The New Atlas Guy makes a great point, and to some degree it holds true for a lot of western weapons systems. The complicated logistics and maintenance makes them impractical even if technically speaking some are good weapons systems.

Posted by: Haassaan | Jun 1 2022 4:37 utc | 151

@150 RSH

The New Atlas Guy makes a great point, and to some degree it holds true for a lot of western weapons systems. The complicated logistics and maintenance makes them impractical even if technically speaking some are good weapons systems.

Posted by: Haassaan | Jun 1 2022 4:37 utc | 152

Posted by: Citizenfitz | May 31 2022 22:44 utc | 92

Quite the contrary. It is called denazification. And here it worked.

Provocation when you do not have the means to follow, here is the result. Boom.

I prefer to keep my empathy for the two pregnant women and the 5 yo child who were killed yesterday by the terrorist shellings of Donetsk.

Anyway, thanks for the good news! It makes my day!

Posted by: Olivier | Jun 1 2022 4:59 utc | 153

Peter AU1 @ 72

“One of the most horrible features of war is that all the war propaganda, all of the screaming lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.” George Orwell: Homage to Catalonia

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 1 2022 5:03 utc | 154

To scorpion: The western civilization was indeed founded on Christianity, first created by the Jews in bible 1. Do you know it's origin or the centuries it took to compile it?

I do not wish to debase anyone's religion, but after giving up on religion at 13 years, and looking at the wars and chaos around the world: I looked for a few answers.

In regards to the foundation of any civilization, the ten commandments seem to be a good building block. Who came up with it. Through tube, I learnt that the Jews took that from the Egyptians, prior to the Pharos. Then it was called the land of NOR. They have incsriptions that write the very same words.

I can tell you another thing that westerners will never comprehend: It is the Muslim religion that props up the Jews and Christianity from entirely becoming extinct.

Mohammed read the works and became the third prophet, putting his own spin on things. The parting of the red sea was never proven, despite Israel repeated attempts. Claims by Jews about some cave dwellings in the Sinai turned out to be Roman pottery. The list is endless.

Democracy attributed to the Greeks who had slaves and no rights. The Romans followed the same pattern, and the same exists today.

I will read Confucius when the dust settles, for he was a physical being and his teachings are what China is based on. They seem to be on a path of harmony and peace.

Posted by: Karl luck | Jun 1 2022 5:09 utc | 155

Yeah, kinda like saying “the Scottish Open.”

Posted by: IrishMoses | Jun 1 2022 5:15 utc | 156

My last at 157 was in reply to Roha at 138 re The Times vs The London Times.

Posted by: IrishMoses | Jun 1 2022 5:19 utc | 157

@ Immaculate deception | Jun 1 2022 2:03 utc | 130

did you see the bernard purdie video put out may 27th with interviewer beato? check it out!

Posted by: james | Jun 1 2022 5:22 utc | 158

watcher | Jun 1 2022 3:38 utc | 147

And Azov completed their mission and were evacuated. He cant even plan a decent armed robbery yet he is the expert on how Russia will reach its objectives in Ukraine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 5:58 utc | 159

Lyudmila Denisova

There could be another reason that she was fired. One of her jobs was to organise prisoner exchanges. The Ukie side has refused some of the latest exchanges (Maybe all - I don't know).

So. All the Ukrainian prisoners are known and counted, their conditions noted. Including the Azov lot. Systematically by western agencies whose job it is (Red Cross among them)

Question: Why are there no comparable statistics for Russians held by the Ukrainians? Even by official agencies whose job it is to know? Having heard about the murder and torture of Russian soldiers, What are their conditions of detention? Also there have been numerous statements by Ukie extremists that they should kill them all. How many are left, and the final question is Are there ANY Russian soldiers now kept prisoner?

Or is this firing a cover up for massive war crimes?

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 1 2022 6:35 utc | 160

watcher | Jun 1 2022 5:37 utc | 160

The genocide of jews by nazi Germany totally destroys any conversation on Judaism. Nobody bothers about the total genocide of jewish people in Britain. There are sects of Islam where it is easy to tip over into extremism. Is Judaism any different? This is a far different question than separating zionists from non zionists.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 6:40 utc | 161

Stonebird @ 162
It is difficult to have an exchange if you execute all your POW's. From what little I know I would much rather be captured by the Russians than be a Russian captured by the Ukranians. Have not read much of anything on current Russian POW status. Has anyone?

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 1 2022 6:46 utc | 162

Stonebird | Jun 1 2022 6:35 utc | 162 "Why are there no comparable statistics for Russians held by the Ukrainians?"

The few taken in the first weeks have been mostly knee or groin shot and left to bleed out. They were the lucky ones. Others have had an eye gouged out - Ukrainians seem to have a thing for the right eye - and die a much slower death. Isis liked their snuff movie productions but even they don't come close to the worst of the Ukraine nationalists who post their shit on social media.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 6:48 utc | 163

Posted by: Karl luck | Jun 1 2022 5:09 utc | 156

Something went kerflooey with my cutting and pasting in the post you cited and somehow the link to Andrei M's post landed in the middle of the text. So apart from a quote by Scruton all the rest was by Andrei. I thought it was an interesting perspective to include at the bar.

As to the Bible: am not well studied in its lineage but suspect it's a compendium of very old lore predating the Jewish people who quite likely were of Yemeni origins (the word Pharoah is Yemeni not Egyptian) who developed intra-jurisdictional trade routes and gradually became a far-flung international well networked tribe of traders. (the more things change...)

Along the way they seem to have picked up the habit of appropriating various stories and religions from others and refashioning and then adopting them as their own. Similar to how they recreated America in their own particular way through the narrative medium of Hollywood movies.

I don't think I would have picked those three as the foundation but they aren't terrible. I think royalty and related feudal-tribal system should be in there.

The Roman which morphed into Holy (Christian) Empire which gave birth to Europe proper seems to belong but some would want to include the Christian Orthodox Byzantine as well (that split being what is playing out today.

Roman commercial law now the UCC which I suspect may have been largely a Jewish intrajurisdictional creation and which evidences a deep-rooted genius - albeit without the tether of feudalism's local cimmunity-based culture and jurisdictions, and without the sacred command principle embedded in feudslky grounded Royalty as ultimate Authority it can become as much a curse as a blessing as we are witnessing today in the need for de militarization and denazification both of which are excessive outgrowth of transactional commercialism run amok.

I would also add a love of language, myth and story but that is shared by all genuinely human cultures.

Confucius good though he is a Yi Jing fan and thus more shamanic than is generally understood. Lord Buddha's Middle Way (as he called it), especially the non monastic Mahayana movement which was enriched by Alexander's Gandharvan inputs greatly influenced New Testament authors and indeed some say Christianity is a hybrid offshoot. A Swedish professor years ago compared a word for word translation of a Sutra with various New Testament passages and got a 90% correlation. I suspect Jesus if he was a real man went to Afghanistan and Northern India to study. During his time Egypt was no longer a spiritual mecca but a money and trade center (which is why about 3 million Jews were living there, far more than were in Judea).

The problem with Buddhism is that it has become a religion and the tantric branches especially have found transitioning the ancient guru-disciple dynamic to modern urban cultural context a rough ride. But the great Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Siamese civilizations thrived when combining feudal Royalty with egolessness - based compassion and wisdom from the Mahayana Buddhist movement which pervaded all much like Christianity pervaded pre-Enlightenment Eurooe.

If China can revive more of those non-materialist roots no doubt still extant in her genetic code then all will be well otherwise they might follow materialist fallacies into a ginormously dystopia new Hell.

Interesting take about Islam...

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 1 2022 6:55 utc | 164

circumspect | Jun 1 2022 6:46 utc | 164

Russia cannot even get red cross in to see any surviving POW's. Red cross is as corrupted as any other western organisation. Those few poor kids that are still alive either plead guilty to whatever war crimes the nazi's write up for them or they go through the same painful death process.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 6:59 utc | 165

Posted by: watcher | Jun 1 2022 5:37 utc | 160

Sorry, forgot to post you in to above reply...

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 1 2022 7:00 utc | 166

gradually became a far-flung international well networked tribe of traders. (the more things change...)

Sorry, should be inter-jurisdictional not intra..

Posted by: Scorpion | Jun 1 2022 7:02 utc | 167

RHS is on the same page as B and many others including karloff1 (subtle), Tom Collins, Paul greenwood. I come here to read B and read these people, not the ridiculous trolls. It is RHS frustration with dealing with spinner garbage. It is the fact that you don't read enough and come on with MSM sound bites to feed your predjudices and biases.
Posted by: Karl luck | Jun 1 2022 4:35 utc | 151

Yes, well said. I would only add to that 2nd sentence, 'or the control freak who posts waaaay too much and thinks his don't stink!'

@ lex talionis | Jun 1 2022 4:00 utc | 149 & Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 5:58 utc | 161
Even if that's snark or sarc I think you guys are out of line with comments like that. Debt was paid!

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 1 2022 7:05 utc | 168

London TIMES this morning - The United States will supply Ukraine with advanced rocket systems that will more than double its artillery range after Ukrainian officials warned their military was in danger of being outgunned by Russian forces in the east. Biden says it would allow the Ukrainians to “fight on the battlefield and be in the strongest possible position at the negotiating table”. REALLY! Who will operate these advanced systems? When?

Posted by: Geraint AP Iorwerth | Jun 1 2022 7:06 utc | 169

Scorpion | Jun 1 2022 6:55 utc | 166

All religions date back to hunter gather superstitions. Much of the world religion wise comes from the nomadic tribe that dates back to massive climate change and sea level rise. Genesis is oral history. Little different to dreamtime stories told by Australian aboriginal people.
Before science, things that were not understood had to be assigned to something.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 7:10 utc | 170

Listening to The Duran guys from today's video (or was it Monday's?).

Mercouris right now is talking about the mood in Russia. He's saying right now, "There is this worry - and it's a real worry - Alex, you've been looking at the same channels as me, and I'm looking at lots of them now - that there is this genuine worry that again he's [Putin] is not going to go for the final end to the war, the sort of victory, but rather that he's going to sit down, he's going to get the Donbass, he's gonna get Kherson region, he's going to get Zaperhozia, then he's going to sit down and negotiate and Ukraine will be left intact, and it will get all its American weapons including its F-16 fighters and its F-35 fighters and its Abrams tanks, and Russia will be left to fight another war in five or ten years time from a weaker position than the one it is in today. And this is a real fear among a lot of Russians."

This is in the context of whether Putin even has the political capital to be able to negotiate at all with Ukraine from here on out. Apparently the Russian population was very angry about the story passed around about the withdrawal from Kiev, that it was in order to stimulate the negotiations.

And that's all I'm going to say about that. The population of Russia is on my side. So fuck the rest of you.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2022 7:11 utc | 171

Interesting references to Julia Ioffe. One of our two principal NATO propaganda outlets, the Mail and Guardian (owned, through cutouts, by Soros and Omidyar), ran a whole-page article about how terribly, terribly repressive Russia is, based almost entirely on Ioffe's writings. Needless to say, no mention of who she worked for, or what her track record was.

One of the minor things about this war is how completely the NATO propaganda machine controls the media in Africa, partly through its control of the wire services.

Posted by: MFB | Jun 1 2022 7:16 utc | 172

waynorinorway | Jun 1 2022 7:05 utc | 170
The old fool says Lavrov is an idiot. So says the person who got away from his bank robbery with a bag full of jail time.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 7:21 utc | 173

circumspect | Jun 1 2022 6:46 utc | 164
Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 6:48 utc | 165

Exactly. The brutality has been boasted about. However, the conditions at the moment can't be "nice" and so any POW exchange would lead to real public testimonials of treatment.

As with the MSM redecorating of Azov, there is an attempt to cover their as*es as the Russians are advancing and will be calling for real acccountability. I think their aim of holding trials for Azov in DPR has not fallen on deaf ears.

Posted by: Stonebird | Jun 1 2022 7:28 utc | 174

watcher | Jun 1 2022 7:21 utc | 176
There are few that espouse/live the new testament. Turn the other cheek. They are mostly killed off.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 7:29 utc | 175

A most interesting discussion.

Well all know the fate of those who fail to follow the direct orders of Diktator 'Z' in country 404. The friendly 'SBU' took them all away to the basement of 'SBU' HQ. For friendly discussions . Where they use the techniques learned from the USSA "GITMO' trainers.

However, since the entire sacked opposition are current basement residents living in 2X3 monk like cells. In the basement of 'SBU' HQ. , KIEV. It might be a little crowded. As more and more dissidents are disappearing in the cold spring nights. Once they leave the comfortable homes. Renovators move in to empty the apartments contents as the former residents depart.

It would now appear Ms Denisova, is now assisting the SBU police in discussions concerning treason. "Darkness At Noon" style...........

Truth can be stranger than fiction..............

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 1 2022 7:40 utc | 176

Bad Deal Motors On | Jun 1 2022 7:40 utc | 179 "It would now appear Ms Denisova, is now assisting the SBU police in discussions concerning treason."

Nothing like a bit of cannibalism. Times are harsh. Ensure a supply of popcorn.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 7:55 utc | 177

Times are tough. Grain will be hard to secure. Much popcorns will be needed. Do not ask hackman for advice on an armed robbery of official popcorn supplies. That will only result in a bag full of jail time.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 8:00 utc | 178

Stonebird | Jun 1 2022 7:28 utc | 177

I read the two republics are setting up a charter for the tribunals.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 8:24 utc | 179

The rape lies are designed to stir up all the otherwise anti-war Karen’s into a frenzy of hate.

The challenge is how to convince normies that regimist Media routinely lies. Once a normie understands he‘s being lied to and shamelessly manipulated, then it’s only a matter of time before he‘s fully red pilled

Posted by: Exile | Jun 1 2022 8:26 utc | 180

No wonder these lies have been spread... Slander boldly, something always sticks.

Posted by: xiao pignouf | Jun 1 2022 8:46 utc | 181

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2022 7:11 utc | 173

And that's all I'm going to say about that. The population of Russia is on my side. So fuck the rest of you.

I don't see how this helps you. You're always saying Putin has to follow the logic of the situation and take all of Ukraine. How does many Russians believing Putin will crap it help you out?

For what it is worth, I share your belief that that is what the Russians *should* do, but I have always felt that they *wouldn't* do it, because of Putin's excess of caution and almost autistic legalism. You have maintained that they *should* do it and that therefore they *would* do it -- unless they are morons, or whatever it was you said, so trying to cover all your bases.

In short, people being afraid that Putin is going to fuck up doesn't support your contention that Russia will take all of Ukraine. Rather the opposite.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Jun 1 2022 8:48 utc | 182

waynorinorway | Jun 1 2022 7:05 utc | 170
The old fool says Lavrov is an idiot.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Jun 1 2022 7:21 utc | 175

So counter that statement. No need for the other dirty laundry.
Or did you never leave your dirty underwear on the bathroom floor?

Posted by: waynorinorway | Jun 1 2022 9:06 utc | 183

Good week for Justice 4 Johnny to meet Justice for Sergei.

Denisova joins Amber Turd in the ranks of the unemployed. Karma.

Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 1 2022 9:14 utc | 184

Foreign mercenaries face the death penalty in the DPR, I suppose they knew the risks but ignored them.

The Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) will not swap foreign mercenaries, who fought on the Kiev government’s side and are now facing a death penalty, including UK citizens Shaun Pinner and Andrew Hill, as well as Morocco citizen Saadun Brahim, a prominent DPR lawmaker, Yelena Shishkina, told TASS on Wednesday.

"They did not act here as servicemen who comply with international conventions. They acted as terrorists, as neo-Nazis, so any exchange is ruled out," Shishkina, who chairs the DPR parliament’s committee on criminal and administrative legislation, said when asked to comment on the possibility of swapping Pinner, Hill and Brahim.

The lawmaker added that swapping members of Ukraine’s Azov nationalist battalion was also ruled out completely.

According to Shishkina, mercenaries from many countries are currently engaged in hostilities in Ukraine, but primarily they come from Poland, Lithuania and France.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 1 2022 9:46 utc | 185

Please find following link to The Saker where Jorge Vilches describes the problems associated with trying to ban Russian oil imports into EU

This is not the first time he has commented on this : however I have not seen any parallel discussions of the issues he raises, neither in mainstream nor in alternative media - where, at most, is suggested the high probability of the EU continuing to buy Russian oil by transposed ship to ship and pretending the oil is ...from someone else

Any oil industry technicals care to comment? And is he is as correct as he sounds he is, why has no one raised these points, not least within the EU?

Posted by: Gerrard White | Jun 1 2022 9:52 utc | 186

If true this is very interesting mind you the SBU has a hit list 187,000 names on it, and EU countries such as Spain has detained at least one person on the list until SBU agent came and took the person back to Ukraine.

"Papers left behind by the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) on the territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic, confirm that its officers spied on western diplomats and tried to recruit them, DPR Deputy Information Minister Daniil Beznosov has said.

"Among those bags with papers - very useful, very important papers - were documents related to surveillance and recruitment <…> of Western diplomats," he told Russia’s Channel One.

On Tuesday, Beznosov published documents and a video, confirming that SBU spied on two German diplomats. "One of them is the German embassy staffer. The other is a very interesting individual, he is a representative of the trilateral contact group in the Normandy format, an economic counsellor," he said, adding that DPR had similar videos related to other foreign diplomats as well."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 1 2022 9:53 utc | 187

I would imagine that like Bush Jr and Blair tried in a Malaysian court for war crimes against humanity, these people will be tried in absentia.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 1 2022 9:56 utc | 188

After all the to and fro-ing, seems HIMARS is on its way to Ukraine after all. Ukraine 'guarantees' it won't be used to target Russian territory. Assuming Biden wouldn't do anything this crazy, Medvedev implied Russia's response would not be limited to Ukraine only a few days ago:

"Otherwise, when attacking our cities, the Russian Armed Forces would have fulfilled their threat and struck at the centers of these criminal decisions. Some of them are not located in Kyiv at all. What's next, no need to explain..."

What could possibly go wrong...

Posted by: Et Tu | Jun 1 2022 10:12 utc | 189

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Jun 1 2022 7:11 utc | 173

I stand wit you. Completely.

Posted by: Olivier | Jun 1 2022 10:15 utc | 190


Posted by: Olivier | Jun 1 2022 10:15 utc | 191

If true this is very interesting mind you the SBU has a hit list 187,000 names on it, and EU countries such as Spain has detained at least one person on the list until SBU agent came and took the person back to Ukraine.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 1 2022 9:53 utc | 190

I follow Anatoliy Shariy, a blogger from Ukraine with far following on YouTube and presumably, on Telegram, and he was "detained", i.e. interrogated and released by Spanish police with no further consequences so far. That happened because of a request by Ukrainian authorities to Interpol. Is there another person who was detained in EU, but actually send to Ukraine?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Jun 1 2022 11:15 utc | 192

Well thank Goodness the population of Russia is NOT in charge. Its Putin, his people and the generals. They know exactly how much money, weapons they can spare fir this war so they will fight it as long as they have the resources. Again thank goodness the Russian tv talk show hosts are not in charge. LOL

Posted by: Comandante | Jun 1 2022 11:39 utc | 193

"Now", could someone examine ALL so-called war-time atrocities with an even hand??

Posted by: DLee | Jun 1 2022 11:52 utc | 194

Posted by: circumspect | Jun 1 2022 1:33 utc | 126

Do you know of any captured Russian soldier(s) (beside the one recently convicted of murder) presented by UAF for public interest--international press interview or even propaganda?
Do you know of any family who can confirm receipt by post or phone proof of a Russian POW life?
Has UAF anywhere presented a count of Russian POWs?

Posted by: sln2002 | Jun 1 2022 12:18 utc | 195

Putin’s general staff recognize that the SMO is not going as expected. They are now saying they expect the SMO to be completed by the fall. Though they don’t say it, logistically that means they expect to stop when they reach the Dneiper. Ukraine will retain control of Kharkov and Odessa. The “liberation “ of the Donbas and the land bridge to Crimea will have been accomplished.
Obviously the Russian people are no more prepared for a war to the finish anymore than the US. The wonder weapons may keep Russia from military defeat, it does not help them achieve the political aims contained in Putins December ultimatum.
Failure to achieve strategic objective, locked into a long war—Putin and Lavarov need to devise an acceptable peace—or all Russia will have accomplished is becoming a dependent of the CCP, brilliant.

Posted by: Wobblie | Jun 1 2022 12:29 utc | 196

Posted by: Wobblie | Jun 1 2022 12:29 utc | 199

"Putin’s general staff recognize that the SMO is not going as expected."

so what if even true? how do you know what they expected?

Posted by: pretzelattack | Jun 1 2022 12:55 utc | 197

HD @ 144

He is not new. One of the oldest posters here. He took a long break a while back but was never really gone, posting under other names. The break was voluntary from what can be told. Whoever RSH is, he has a temper. Of late he has been doing what amount to public service posts, keeping us all updated on a few main feeds. When his temper shows it can be bad. He threatened to kill quite a few of us.

The tendency here to "like" this or that poster because they flatter readers or readers prejudices is ridiculous. Betrays complete absence of reading skills. Read what a poster says. Pay attention to content. And remember you never know who an anonymous person on the internet is. Unless you happen to know them personally offline. The RSH bio as presented on this page is preposterous. And so what? Skip his posts or read his posts. If you are going to evaluate information based on feelz you are never going to know anything.

Posted by: oldhippie | Jun 1 2022 12:58 utc | 198

Biotr Berman (195)

Oh right I was under the impression that Ukrainian authorities wanted to extradite him back to Ukraine.

"Later, the presidentʼs representative in the Constitutional Court, and Member of Parliament Fedir Venislavsky, said that Ukraine is currently preparing documents for the extradition of Shariy.

"He was detained as part of international legal assistance in the search for Mr. Shariy for committing a number of serious crimes in Ukraine. Accordingly, the procedure of his extradition to Ukraine will be launched now, and he will appear before a Ukrainian court and will be held accountable under Ukrainian law," he said.

According to him, Shariy was detained in Europe so that the whole process will be carried out in accordance with the law, Shariy will have the opportunity to appeal the detention so that extradition may be delayed.

"But there is no doubt that he will definitely get to the territory of Ukraine and be handed over to justice," Venislavsky said."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Jun 1 2022 13:01 utc | 199

Comandante @196

People like you are not grasping the problem that the Russians are dealing with. For simple-minded people this conflict is just about territory and conquest. That is infantile thinking. This conflict is, honest and for true, about Nazis. And of course the creators and enablers (parents?) of the Nazis in NATO.

"Nazis, schmatzis. Those are just some normal hooligans and idiots whose butthurt we fanned to ignite it into an anal inferno so they would annoy the Russians."

Yeah, those are called Nazis. I know you find them cute and cuddly, what with their swastika tattoos and S&M garb, but the Russians really, REALLY don't like Nazis. Perhaps my opinion isn't shared by you or anyone you know, but I don't like Nazis either, and I think the Russians are doing the right thing by killing them.

This conflict isn't about how much Russia can afford. It is about killing off an Earthly manifestation of concentrated ultimate evil. Cost doesn't factor into that.

Posted by: William Gruff | Jun 1 2022 13:10 utc | 200

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