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May 26, 2022
Open Thread (NOT Ukraine) 2022-73
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Thanks to all those who post in good faith and thanks to b for the environment. When I read a powerful thread here I know that I am part of something greater than myself. Some call it the Tao, some call it God. For myself, a militant agnostic, it is the Overmind. In the end call it what you like. Transcendence is a gift from the many to the one and I wish my gratitude to be known. Posted by: Foxbat | May 26 2022 13:31 utc | 1 An American vet, long living down under, told me, “I have heard everything about America since I lived here from: ‘I hate America to I love America’, now it is: ‘I feel sorry for America’…” Posted by: Paul | May 26 2022 13:34 utc | 2 If the Original Settlers at Plymouth Rock had any sense of destiny and purpose before God they would be astounded at how far from that purpose the country has now deviated………..into a veritable Perdition Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 26 2022 13:39 utc | 3 Hankyoreh | Is Yoon prepared for the consequences of cold-shouldering China? Posted by: sln2002 | May 26 2022 13:43 utc | 4 Thanks again to karlof1 for his post on the last completely open thread of Lavrov’s talk to the Primakov Institute pupils. My comment will relate to that post — it comes on the final page of the open thread. Again, I was extremely interested that when asked what book had most influenced him, Lavrov replied “The Master and Margarita”. I will be returning to that book, influenced as I also have been, and reflecting that it is an excellent followup to previous classics of Russian literature. Posted by: juliania | May 26 2022 13:50 utc | 5 Original Settlers at Plymouth Rock Posted by: sln2002 | May 26 2022 13:52 utc | 6 Deep State angry over conservatives changing views on unelected bureaucrats making society wide decisions: Threat Lurks to STBs independence – railwayage.com Posted by: c1ue | May 26 2022 13:56 utc | 7 Gas prices have stabilized for now – next: summer driving season. Posted by: c1ue | May 26 2022 13:57 utc | 8 Privacy 2-fer:
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Glad this is being offered, but basically useless without: Posted by: c1ue | May 26 2022 14:05 utc | 9 I will add to my post at 5 that, as perceptive readers will surmise, this will be my third attempt to absorb the novel:
Posted by: juliania | May 26 2022 14:14 utc | 10 Third and final post for today. Posted by: juliania | May 26 2022 14:36 utc | 11 So ‘we’ (that means you) have the almost dead Joe Biden in the US and the disgraced clown Boris Johnson in the UK. Both are likely to disappear any day. Then the happy result could be Harris + Truss with their combined IQ < room temperature. How would that pair impact international relations? I looks like an even worse disaster than today. Posted by: Norwegian | May 26 2022 14:47 utc | 12 do join me in my journey Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 26 2022 14:53 utc | 13 My preliminary thought is that the novel begins, as does the Book of Job, with the arrival of the devil. (And, as does Genesis.) Posted by: Bemildred | May 26 2022 14:59 utc | 14 Harris + Truss with their combined IQ < room temperature. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 26 2022 15:08 utc | 15 @ Aleph_Null | May 26 2022 14:53 utc | 13 Posted by: malenkov | May 26 2022 15:14 utc | 16 @ Aleph_Null | May 26 2022 15:08 utc | 15 Posted by: malenkov | May 26 2022 15:18 utc | 17 We travel a lot. I tap into a Facebook “See The USA via Road Trips” and today encountered a discouraging comment from a foreign visitor which is really an accurate view of faulty government IMO. . .from Antony Popov. . .
Posted by: Don Bacon | May 26 2022 15:18 utc | 18 @Aleph_Null | May 26 2022 15:08 utc | 15
Assange is a BIG deal. Certainly the litmus-test to apply wrt. the new government. Posted by: Norwegian | May 26 2022 15:33 utc | 19 @ Don Bacon | May 26 2022 15:18 utc | 18 Posted by: malenkov | May 26 2022 15:38 utc | 20 Don Bacon@18 Posted by: bevin | May 26 2022 15:41 utc | 21 @ Don Bacon | May 26 2022 15:18 utc | 18 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 26 2022 15:43 utc | 22 From RT, Imran Khan issues ultimatum in Pakistan. This can get ugly. Posted by: Norwegian | May 26 2022 15:47 utc | 23 Posted by: juliania | May 26 2022 14:36 utc | 11 Posted by: Lex | May 26 2022 15:59 utc | 24 Posted by: Norwegian | May 26 2022 14:47 utc | 12 Posted by: Bloke from block 8 | May 26 2022 16:00 utc | 25 @malenkov 20 Posted by: Don Bacon | May 26 2022 16:00 utc | 26 Seems like the non-Ukraine subject that should get the most discussion is chaos descending in Pakistan. The army’s never been shy about taking political power but this seems like a dangerous time for that move. There are a lot of angry people in the streets and the conflict with police likely to make more people more angry. Posted by: Lex | May 26 2022 16:01 utc | 27 @Lex | May 26 2022 16:01 utc | 26
Indeed. I made a mistake and posted about it in the Ukraine thread (#28, apologies). The main point is that Imran Khan has issued an ultimatum: Posted by: Norwegian | May 26 2022 16:10 utc | 28 If the Original Settlers at Plymouth Rock had any sense of destiny and purpose before God they would be astounded at how far from that purpose the country has now deviated………..into a veritable Perdition Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 26 2022 16:10 utc | 29 juliania , Posted by: james | May 26 2022 16:16 utc | 30 @ lex and norwegian… yes – pacifica advocata mentioned this topic in the previous ukraine thread.. i agree with you all… we’ll see how it develops very quickly.. Posted by: james | May 26 2022 16:18 utc | 31 I love Master and Magarita. If I remember correctly, since it has been several years, there is a great scene at the four statues atop Moscow University. I think Dead Souls by Bulgakov is a great book as well. And We, by Zamyatin is excellent. One of the first, if not the first “modern” dystopic novels. I love the pink curtains touch, too! Posted by: lex talionis | May 26 2022 16:43 utc | 32 Gas prices have stabilized for now – next: summer driving season. Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 26 2022 16:43 utc | 33 I feel that the collapse of the inner cities in Canada and the US is the result of deliberate policy. Eventually cities reach a point of diminishing returns, where adding addition population, makes the city more and more unlivable as the very act of commuting to and from work becomes impossibly impractical due to the sheer volume of people commuting. When we worked in the office, some of my co-workers commuted 4 hours per day going back and forth between their homes & the office. Normally, at this point, a proper government would step in and incentivize businesses to move out into smaller cities. Heck with highspeed internet I was able to work remotely in the middle of the wilderness for most of the past year during the lockdown. However, the large established cities in North America are huge reserves of political influence, taxable assets, inflated land value, so they are using this influence to retard the natural forces, preventing the develop of new large urban centers (indeed, large cities like Toronto go out of their way to steal the business in outlying cities and try to reduce them in status to just “feeder cities”, where the working population commutes in from to work). Posted by: Kadath | May 26 2022 16:54 utc | 34 If the Original Settlers at Plymouth Rock had any sense of destiny and purpose before God they would be astounded at how far from that purpose the country has now deviated………..into a veritable Perdition Posted by: Oso | May 26 2022 16:59 utc | 35 Slippery slopes are being consciously constructed, seemingly in a fog. The west is isolating itself and incubating a fascist polity, seemingly without awareness of what it is doing. Posted by: jayc | May 26 2022 17:17 utc | 36 Thanks to juliania for her enthusiasm and to her good fortune–having/making time to read classics. lex talionis@31 Posted by: bevin | May 26 2022 17:26 utc | 38 bevin – Shame. Head held in shame. OOPS. I’m glad Malenkov didn’t correct me, though. ; ) Thank you. I’m at work cheating peaks at MoA. Thank you. Posted by: lex talionis | May 26 2022 17:29 utc | 39 james@29 Posted by: bevin | May 26 2022 17:29 utc | 40 @Aleph_Null | May 26 2022 15:08 utc | 15 Posted by: Some Random Passerby | May 26 2022 17:35 utc | 41 @karlof1 | May 26 2022 17:17 utc | 36
I agree with the Chinese Foreign Ministry wholeheartedly on this and repeat that Jens Stoltenberg is nothing but a despicable Quisling the way he behaves on orders from Washington. Posted by: Norwegian | May 26 2022 17:45 utc | 42 I read somewhere that Hungary has declared a state of national emergency or something, no doubt because of the US and EU putting pressure on it to follow the Western sanctions against Russia. But I have no details. Posted by: Featherless | May 26 2022 17:50 utc | 43 Interview of Deputy Foreign Minister Oleg Syromolotov by TASS covers topics mostly related to security, cyber security in particular. I find it quite odd that when these are machine translated the name of the person interviewed is always eventually altered to Maria Zakharova–except when Lavrov’s interviewed. As usual, the interview’s in Russian, so I’ll post the complete machine translation at the end of the dead 23 May Ukraine Open Thread. So far, Lavrov’s interview with RT Arabic hasn’t been posted by MFA. That will hopefully be done later today. @ Kadath | May 26 2022 16:54 utc | 33 Posted by: Cabe | May 26 2022 17:55 utc | 45 @Featherless | May 26 2022 17:50 utc | 42 Posted by: Norwegian | May 26 2022 17:57 utc | 46
Indeed. I should clarify: Just because inner-city collapse serves a useful purpose doesn’t mean the collapse was intentional. It’s grist for the socially conservative mill, of course — it serves their purpose. As for the liberals actually in charge of the cities, I think we can chalk up a lot of the malaise to bureaucratic incompetence and corruption — as well as, in a lot of cases, a declining tax base. Posted by: malenkov | May 26 2022 18:09 utc | 48 Posted by: jayc | May 26 2022 17:17 utc | 35
It’s a feature, not a bug. Posted by: sln2002 | May 26 2022 18:12 utc | 49 Posted by: bevin | May 26 2022 17:29 utc | 39 Posted by: Bloke from block 8 | May 26 2022 18:13 utc | 50 errata Posted by: sln2002 | May 26 2022 18:18 utc | 51 I see Lavrov’s interview was just posted to MFA’s website, but the same problem with type pad will likely prevent me from providing the complete machine translation. There’s a video that might provide translated sub-titles those interested might try. Here’s the first Q&A. The overall discussion then moves to contemporary events and is long and detailed as the audience again is Arabic speakers.
Given the problems with type pad, I’ll likely post the complete translation to my VK page, but that’s not going to happen until later today. The Brothers Karamazov is a fine book, but I still think that Dmitri was the murderer and not Smerdyakov. 😉 Posted by: malenkov | May 26 2022 18:19 utc | 53 To Don B. a those who responded to his post. Posted by: David F | May 26 2022 18:27 utc | 54 … if anyone knows of any interesting books written by those who have spent a long time in prison… Posted by: Pagan | May 26 2022 18:28 utc | 55 @ 29 james – Soledad Brother – George Jackson Posted by: lex talionis | May 26 2022 18:40 utc | 58 Putin spoke today via videolink to those assembled at the first plenary session of the Eurasian Economic Forum. The Kremlin provided the following information:
There’s quite a lot I’d usually emphasize above but refrained from. As with all of Putin’s speeches, this one’s important. Unfortunately, his beginning remarks above aren’t provided with the preceding context which makes his later shift in focus rather visible. I find Putin’s concluding paragraph very important:
. . . and to my mind, Ivan Denisovich can’t hold a candle to the story “Matryonin dvor,” which seems to have been begun after Ivan Denisovich but completed first. Posted by: malenkov | May 26 2022 18:47 utc | 60 Regarding Ivan Denisovich, the protagonist even mentions what a nightmare it was to have the Banderites in the GULAG with him. Posted by: lex talionis | May 26 2022 18:51 utc | 61 I mentioned Hochhuth’s “Deputy” above. A compelling point of discussion emerges from this book’s historical appendix: the contrast between Pius XII’s enthusiasm when it came to condemnning abuses of Stalin, as contrasted with his studied obliviousness of the Final Solution. Both sides of that affective contrast are profoundly institutional — not mere quirks of Pius XII’s personality. Its institutional quality makes me wonder about the true nature of so-called “anti-Communism” — so strict a priority as to require indifference toward Naziism.
https://thesaker.is/vatican-hatred-and-russophobia/ Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 26 2022 18:54 utc | 62 Thank you Norwegian ! Posted by: Featherless | May 26 2022 19:00 utc | 63 Don Bacon | May 26 2022 16:00 utc | 25 and David F, Kadath, Cabe, et al Posted by: rjb1.5 | May 26 2022 19:16 utc | 64 Posted by: rjb1.5 | May 26 2022 19:16 utc | 63 Posted by: David F | May 26 2022 19:50 utc | 65 Just how much of a Zach Snyder/JJ Abrams fairytale are we living in? Posted by: rjb1.5 | May 26 2022 20:02 utc | 66 In the Catholic parochial school in New York City I attended as a boy in the 1950s, we prayed for the conversion of Russia. The hostility was only to Communism, not to Russia. Posted by: Lysias | May 26 2022 20:28 utc | 67 thanks guys! Posted by: james | May 26 2022 20:45 utc | 68 Regarding unemployment / hiring difficulties: it is possible that people alienated by mandates represent a disproportionately large number of the best workers. Posted by: Rae | May 26 2022 20:59 utc | 69 David F | May 26 2022 19:50 utc | 64 Posted by: rjb1.5 | May 26 2022 21:04 utc | 70 Rae | May 26 2022 20:59 utc | 68 Posted by: rjb1.5 | May 26 2022 21:07 utc | 71 @ james | May 26 2022 20:45 utc | 67 Posted by: malenkov | May 26 2022 21:12 utc | 72 I wonder how this will turn out, it seems it could get very ugly. Posted by: pretzelattack | May 26 2022 21:28 utc | 73 the replies were in the “propaganda” thread, my replies thanking them toward the end. Posted by: pretzelattack | May 26 2022 21:30 utc | 74 @ malenkov | May 26 2022 21:12 utc | 71 Posted by: james | May 26 2022 21:35 utc | 75 Posted by: rjb1.5 | May 26 2022 21:04 utc | 69 Posted by: David F | May 26 2022 21:37 utc | 76 Posted by: c1ue | May 26 2022 14:05 utc | 9 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 26 2022 22:00 utc | 77 RE: Joshua Katz, it appears that the Princeton students who work at their newspaper think *everyone* gets it wrong.
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 26 2022 22:04 utc | 78 oh, and Stone City by Mitchell Smith was a good thriller involving a prisoner trying to solve a murder in a prison. Posted by: pretzelattack | May 26 2022 22:08 utc | 79 Pardon the (tabloid) source, but to some of the underlying themes in this thread about capitalism and the culture wars:
Hence we can all see just how (not genuinely) important the “woke” segment is to corporate America when profits and share prices are concerned. After the NFL blackballed Colin Kaepernick for kneeling during the anthem, and in the wake of the George Floyd protests, the NFL suddenly reversed its policy and is using “woke” to sell itself. We can count on them to abandon this when it’s no longer a perceived selling or virtue signaling point. Corporate America will brand itself as left-leaning (fake, really just faux woke) when it is convenient and considered profitable. They will also fire or cancel any celebrity on their platforms for speaking out in dissent of the status quo narrative (Phil Donahue), especially when a war looms, because they are 1) captured by the US surveillance/security state and 2) owned by the same majority shareholders who also control the big “defense” contractors; i.e., part of same portfolios as Rayetheon et al. Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 26 2022 22:14 utc | 80 Hi James, Jack Henry Abbot wrote ” In the Belly of the Beast” about his long period in jail, for cashing a bad cheque. There is much more to the story than time permits me to tell but a quick search will fill in the context for you. Posted by: Foxbat | May 26 2022 22:18 utc | 81 There’s a simple reason that nobody seems to mention when talking about why so many homeless flock to California in addition to the ones who are natives: The weather and the fact that in many places* they aren’t treated *as much* like criminals as they are in other states. Throw in the cost of housing and it explains the **employed** homeless who live in their cars or a tent. California is one of a few states where the weather is temperate enough to live outside year-round.
* Still doesn’t mean they aren’t treated badly in CA Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 26 2022 22:23 utc | 82 i have found these books i have read of authors writing while serving a long prison term, or afterwards – especially insightful.. they seem to give me a better perspective on life in general… Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 26 2022 22:26 utc | 83 @ Aleph_Null | May 26 2022 15:08 utc | 15 Posted by: K | May 26 2022 22:33 utc | 84 Try “Borstal Boy” by Brendan Behan, james. Posted by: Bemildred | May 26 2022 22:40 utc | 86
A consistently underestimated aspect of the success of the gay liberation movement is the role of money. While gays (and lesbians) have been traditionally paid less well than their heterosexual counterparts (less job advancement in corporate offices, for instance), they have more disposable income, as the likelihood of their having children is drastically less. This is all still true, if considerably less true than in, say, the 1960s. Posted by: malenkov | May 26 2022 22:41 utc | 87 Housing has gotten way too scarce and expensive. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 26 2022 22:43 utc | 88 james…playing jazz in Nanaimo Bars sounds like a sweet life. Posted by: bevin | May 26 2022 22:44 utc | 89 Before there can be any serious talk of “International Laws” or ‘rules based order’ the outstanding injustice of the international system must be addressed. Ramzy Baroud relentlessly advances the case of Palestine, which is the cause of all people of good will. Posted by: bevin | May 26 2022 23:02 utc | 90 Posted by: Rae | May 26 2022 20:59 utc | 68 Posted by: David F | May 26 2022 23:07 utc | 91 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 26 2022 22:43 utc | 87 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 26 2022 23:08 utc | 92 There is a definite shortage of affordable real estate in CA and many other places in the US and Canada. Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 26 2022 23:17 utc | 93 In a continuing effort to p*ss off the nations of the planet, the US in what the Iranians have called an act of international piracy has seized an Iranian tanker. I’m sure repercussions will follow that will cement the American PR machine that the Iranians are indeed terrorists and deserve to have their oil stolen. Posted by: Michael.j | May 26 2022 23:22 utc | 94
Or maybe not quite so baffling. The Federal Reserve statistic usually trotted out, from 2019, is that 49% of Americans have less than $400 in emergency savings. Even if we ignore the unemployment statistics, which are highly fraudulent, and look at the more realistic-seeming labor participation rate, we have 62.2% from just last month. One can’t therefore assume that those lacking emergency funds are necessarily those playing hooky from the labor market. My anecdotal experience suggests otherwise: I know lots of people, at the local supermarket for instance, who were terrified of COVID when it was a Huge Thing in 2020, but couldn’t afford to stop working. Now that it isn’t much of a Big Thing anymore, well, they’re still working. Posted by: malenkov | May 26 2022 23:43 utc | 95 Posted by: c1ue | May 26 2022 13:57 utc | 8 Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 27 2022 0:03 utc | 96 Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 26 2022 23:17 utc | 92 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 27 2022 0:05 utc | 97 MIKHAIL BULGAKOV Posted by: downtownhaiku | May 27 2022 0:05 utc | 98 The Master and Margarita Posted by: downtownhaiku | May 27 2022 0:09 utc | 99 @c1ue #9 Posted by: Altai | May 27 2022 0:11 utc | 100 |
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