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May 04, 2022

On Lavrov's Spat With Israel - Who Is Right?

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is in a spat with Israel over its support for Nazis militia in the Ukraine.

The immediate cause is a passage in an interview Lavrov had with the Italian TV network Mediaset:

Question: This is how you see it, while Vladimir Zelensky puts it differently. He believes denazification doesn’t make any sense. He is a Jew. The Nazis, Azov – there are very few of them (several thousand). Vladimir Zelensky refutes your view of the situation. Do you believe Vladimir Zelensky is an obstacle to peace?

Sergey Lavrov: It makes no difference to me what President Vladimir Zelensky refutes or does not refute. He is as fickle as the wind, as they say. He can change his position several times a day.

I heard him say that they would not even discuss demilitarisation and denazification during peace talks. First, they are torpedoing the talks just as they did the Minsk agreements for eight years. Second, there is nazification there: the captured militants as well as members of the Azov and Aidar battalions and other units wear swastikas or symbols of Nazi Waffen-SS battalions on their clothes or have them tattooed on their bodies; they openly read and promote Mein Kampf. His argument is: How can there be Nazism in Ukraine if he is a Jew? I may be mistaken but Adolf Hitler had Jewish blood, too. This means absolutely nothing. The wise Jewish people say that the most ardent anti-Semites are usually Jews. “Every family has its black sheep,” as we say.

The Zionist entity in Palestine reacted with harsh words:

The Israeli prime minister, Naftali Bennett, condemned on Monday a recent claim by the Russian foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, that Jews were “the biggest antisemites.”

The Israeli Foreign Ministry also summoned the Russian ambassador to Israel to explain Mr. Lavrov’s remarks, while the Israeli foreign minister, Yair Lapid, demanded an apology.
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Mr. Bennett said that he viewed Mr. Lavrov’s remarks with the “utmost severity,” saying that the comments were “untrue and their intentions are wrong.”

Mr. Bennett added, “The goal of such lies is to accuse the Jews themselves of the most awful crimes in history, which were perpetrated against them, and thereby absolve Israel’s enemies of responsibility.”

Separately, Mr. Lapid said that Mr. Lavrov’s comments were “both an unforgivable and outrageous statement as well as a terrible historical error.”

“Jews did not murder themselves in the Holocaust,” he added. “The lowest level of racism against Jews is to accuse Jews themselves of antisemitism.”

Mr. Lapid has a big mouth that hides the whitewashing of Jewish Nazi collaborators in which his own family was involved.

But first let us tackle the question of Adolf Hitler's ancestry. The History channel has a piece on it:

In the decades since Adolf Hitler’s death, the Nazi leader’s ancestry has been a subject of rampant speculation and intense controversy. Some have suggested that his father, Alois, born to an unwed woman named Maria Schickelgruber, was the illegitimate child of Leopold Frankenberger, a young Jewish man whose family employed her as a maid. (She subsequently married Johann Georg Hiedler–later spelled “Hitler”–whose surname her son adopted.)

In 2019 the Jerusalem Post reported of new research on the issue:

[A] study by psychologist and physician Leonard Sax has shed new light supporting the claim that Hitler’s father’s father had Jewish roots.

The study, titled “Aus den Gemeinden von Burgenland: Revisiting the question of Adolf Hitler’s paternal grandfather,” which was published in the current issue of the Journal of European Studies, examines claims by Hitler’s lawyer Hans Frank, who allegedly discovered the truth.

Hitler asked Frank to look into the claim in 1930, after his nephew William Patrick Hitler threatened to expose that the leader’s grandfather was Jewish.

In his 1946 memoir, which was published seven years after he was executed during the Nuremberg trials, “Frank claimed to have uncovered evidence in 1930 that Hitler’s paternal grandfather was a Jewish man living in Graz, Austria, in the household where Hitler’s grandmother was employed,” and it was in 1836 that Hitler’s grandmother Maria Anna Schicklgruber became pregnant, Sax explained.
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Sax writes in the study that according to the letters in Frank’s memoir, “Frankenberger Sr. sent money for the support of the child from infancy until its 14th birthday.”

“The motivation for the payment, according to Frank, was not charity but primarily a concern about the authorities becoming involved: ‘The Jew paid without a court order, because he was concerned about the result of a court hearing and the connected publicity,’” the letters state.

It seems to me that Lavrov has that one right. It really seems that Adolf Hitler had some Jewish ancestors who even paid for the upbringing of his father.

Now onto the other issue, Lavrov's claim that:

.. the most ardent anti-Semites are usually Jews. “Every family has its black sheep,” as we say.

Yair Lapid does not agree with that. Well, his father didn't either until, to his embarrassment, some new facts proved him wrong. There is for example the well known case of Rudolf Kasztner in which Lapid's father was involved.

As the Times of Israel reported in 2016:

[The British Jewish historian Paul] Bogdanor was “extremely shocked” to find that everything pointed towards Kasztner’s having been “a collaborator” with the Nazis, and a “betrayer of the Zionist movement and the Jewish people.”

Bogdanor’s new book, “Kasztner’s Crime,” published in October, sets out the case against the Jewish leader in damning detail. Even the most devoted defender might have second thoughts after reading his book.
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Kasztner was a leader of a small Zionist grouping in Budapest towards the end of World War II. He led a Jewish rescue committee which, before the Nazis entered Hungary, did succeed in saving the lives of a number of Jews. But once the Nazis arrived, Kasztner, an ambitious lawyer, became embroiled in prolonged negotiations with the Nazi leadership, particularly Adolf Eichmann.

After complex dealings with Eichmann, Kasztner succeeded in getting the Nazis to agree to the deportation of a group of 1,684 Hungarian Jews, the so-called “Kasztner Train,” who eventually ended up in freedom in Switzerland.

But thousands more continued on the doomed path to Auschwitz. Bogdanor says that not only did Kasztner know they were being sent to their deaths, but that he actively kept such information secret from other Jews in Hungary and the wider Jewish world.

Kasztner deliberately put selected strong Zionists who wanted to emigrate to Palestine on his list. Those Hungarian Jews who did not want to emigrate were deceived by him to believe that the Nazis were no danger to them. Kazstner himself later found a role in the Zionist establishment:

Kasztner himself did not get on the train, but survived the war and made his way to Palestine. By 1952 he was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and a would-be member of Knesset, though he did not succeed in obtaining a place high enough on the Mapai list to become elected.

Nevertheless, when, in 1953, an embittered Hungarian Jew named Malkiel Gruenwald distributed a pamphlet about Kasztner, naming him as a Nazi collaborator, the Israeli government thought highly enough of him to bring a libel suit on his behalf, accusing Gruenwald of defamation.

During the trial, dozens of witnesses testified about Kasztner’s actions during the war. The case lasted 18 months and did not end well for him. The presiding judge ruled that Kasztner had indeed collaborated, and in words which echo down the years, said he had “sold his soul to the devil.”

The Israeli government of the day fell and Kasztner and his family became virtual prisoners in their home. He resigned from his post, his wife sank into depression and his daughter spoke, years later, of having been ostracized and mocked by other children at school.

On March 3, 1957, right-wing extremists shot Kasztner dead. The following year, too late for him, the court verdict was reversed, suggesting that much of what was claimed against him was not correct. Leading the campaign in ensuing years to rehabilitate Kasztner was journalist and political Tommy Lapid, himself a Hungarian Jew and father of Yair Lapid, the leader of today’s Yesh Atid party.

The father of the current Foreign Minister of Israel Yair Lapid tried to rehabilitate Kasztner. But the British historian found that Kasztner was indeed guilty:

“Kasztner didn’t start out as someone evil,” says Bogdanor. “He started out as someone who wanted to rescue Jews, and before March 1944, he did rescue Jews. But when the Nazis occupied Hungary, he began negotiating with them and, very quickly, I argue, he became a collaborator.”
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The central charge made against Kasztner by the surviving Hungarian Jews was, says Bogdanor, “not just that he failed to warn them [of the Nazis’ intention]. It was that Kasztner had instructed local Jewish leadership to mislead them, and to deceive them into boarding the trains to Auschwitz. After Kasztner had visited the local communities, the leadership spread false information — which he had given them — that the Jews were going to be resettled inside Hungary. Agranat and the other judges overlooked this matter of deception.”

Bogdanor admits to being profoundly shocked by the depth and extent of what he found out about Kasztner. It would have been bad enough, he argues, if Kasztner had passively collaborated with the Nazis. But he actively collaborated, he says, taking steps to mislead both Jews inside Hungary and his Jewish contacts in the outside world.

Yair Lapid, just like his father, is wrong. There were quite a number of Jewish collaborators and some were even officers in Hitlers Wehrmacht.

The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs responded to Yair Lapid's false accusations:

Michael Elgort 🇺🇦✡️ @just_whatever - 9:18 UTC · May 3, 2022
Today Russian @mfa_Russia has officially replied on its telegram channel to @yairlapid statement that you see below and this reply deserves to be translated and posted in full. A long thread with full translation below, link to the source in the end

The complete translation of the Foreign Ministry statement is here. It says (format edited for readability):

We paid attention to the anti-historical statements of Israeli Foreign Minister Yair Lapid, which largely explain the course of the current Israeli government to support the neo-Nazi regime in Kyiv. The Israeli minister said literally the following: “The Jews did not destroy themselves during the Holocaust. Blaming Jews for antisemitism is a blatant level of racism against Jews”.
For some reason, the Western press (and some of our liberals) still argue about whether there are neo-Nazis in Ukraine. The Jewish origin of Vladimir @ZelenskyyUa is given, as one of the "reinforced concrete" arguments. The argument is not only untenable, but also crafty. History, unfortunately, knows tragic examples of cooperation between Jews and the Nazis. In Poland and other countries of Eastern Europe, the Germans appointed Jewish industrialists as heads of ghettos and Jewish councils (“Judenrats”), some of whom are remembered for absolutely monstrous deeds.

Jakub Leikin in Warsaw conducted surveillance of the Jews and reported everything to the German occupation administration, dooming his compatriots to certain, and sometimes painful death, and Chaim Rumkowski generally offered the Jews of Lodz to give their children to the Nazis in exchange for saving the lives of adult residents of the ghetto, there are many evidence of his words. It only remains to agree with H. Dreyfus a professor of history at Tel Aviv University, that the complicity of Jews in the Holocaust is a “marginal phenomenon” (but not a taboo and is the subject of research). ...

The Foreign Ministry then points to Israeli government sources which documented a big increase of antisemitism in Ukraine since the 2014 Maidan coup:

Since the coup in 2014, antisemitism has flourished in Ukraine. The report of the Minister for Relations with the Diaspora of Israel, @naftalibennett (PM now), indicates that in 2017 the number of antisemitic incidents including dozens of acts of vandalism in museums, synagogues and memorials, increased manifold in Ukraine.

Ukraine has become the leader among all the countries of the former USSR in terms of the number of antisemitic incidents, and some publications indicate that Ukraine generally surpasses all the countries of the former USSR combined in their number. One of the prominent representatives of the Jewish movement in Ukraine, Eduard Dolinsky, recently feared the termination of the activities of his organization (“Ukrainian Jewish Committee”).

There is a certain tradition of collaboration between Zionists and antisemitic people. Event the founder of the Zionist movement to establish a 'Jewish state', Theodor Herzl, was guilty of it:

[A]s the Austro-Hungarian writer Theodor Herzl was about to publish his manifesto The Jewish State in February 1896, he faced intense pressure from Vienna’s Jewish community to halt publication. Herzl rejected the pleas, published the book, and launched a movement that ultimately led to the establishment of modern Israel. Around the same time, the residents of Vienna elected an anti-Semitic mayor. To the relief of Vienna’s Jews, the emperor refused to approve Karl Lueger, but Herzl lobbied the prime minister to accept the people’s choice, arguing that boycotting the populist leader would only increase hatred of Jews.

Herzl had hoped that the installment of an anti-semitic mayor would push more Jews in Vienna towards supporting his idea of a 'Jewish state'.

Israel's arming of fascist militia in Ukraine may well have a similar motive:

Israel is keen on bringing in Ukrainian Jewish refugees for the purpose of maintaining Jewish demographic “supremacy” over the Palestinian population, academics and analysts say.

Since the outbreak of the war with Russia on February 24, the Israeli government has called on Ukrainian Jewish refugees to immigrate to Israel and removed bureaucratic hurdles to secure their arrival as quickly as possible.

“We call on the Jews of Ukraine to immigrate to Israel – your home,” Israel’s Ministry of Immigration and Absorption said in a statement on February 26.

Does that also explain why Igor Kolomoiski, the Ukrainian Jewish oligarch who lives in Israel, has financed the Azov battalion and other fascist militia in Ukraine?

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It seems the American Century will be cut short. But under Chinese supremacy we will be spared Byzantine discussions like this.

Posted by: Passerby | May 4 2022 19:50 utc | 201

Christian J. Chuba @23: "What is de-Nazification..."

Denazification is quite straightforward. The CIA's Wikipedia page for it dates to 2005, so obviously the concept isn't new.

First, of course, is the destruction, arrest, investigation, and trial of Nazis. This goes far beyond just destroying the Azov and Aidar forces. There have been large numbers of people who have "disappeared" over the last eight years, exactly as happened across Latin America whenever fascists gained power. These disappearances are the work of fascist death squads and each one needs to be investigated and the perpetrators must be publicly "neutralized". To Nazi sympathizers that doubtless seems harsh. After all, once they say "Sorry!" can't we just hug and make up? Can't we just forget about the bad stuff and put is all behind us?

No, we cannot, and it is not a moral issue at all. It is a strictly practical issue and a necessity for building a healthy society after order is restored. To understand why destroying the fascists is necessary you must first understand why the fascists commit such horrifying crimes in the first place. The brutal torture and mass murder that fascists always pursue is not some unfortunate side effect of conflict but rather is a deliberate policy intended to subjugate a population. Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" details how fascists believe this ultraviolence is supposed to work. The target of the ultraviolence is the minds of the survivors. For the survivors to recover the Nazis must be visibly destroyed.

I have discussed before how fascist gangs are organized out of society's detritus, and one aspect of that is to take disempowered dirtbags of society and empower them using myths and delusions. Naturally once fascists have seized power in a society, like in the Ukraine, that delusion of empowerment becomes self-reinforcing. Weaker people in society (which is most of society) will thus hitch their wagons to the Nazis in order to be on the strong team. To reverse this the illusions of might and strength that capitalist mass media builds around the fascists must be removed. The aura of power must be dispelled. Public trials where all of the fascists crimes are exposed and crushingly harsh punishment works to turn the followers in society away from the fascists.

But there is yet more than needs to be done in the Ukraine. Laws must be passed outlawing the glorification of Nazis, and so school textbooks must be rewritten and curricula redesigned. Streets need renaming and monuments need destroying. New monuments need to be built to those who fought the Nazis and those individuals need to be glorified as the Ukraine's heroes in school history lessons instead of the Bandera scum. Popular culture needs tobe guided to portray the Nazis as the monsters they are and those who opposed the Nazis as models of humanity for people to emulate.

It took decades for the US (and Canada, apparently) to nazify the Ukraine. Denazification will be a big operation that goes on for many years.

Posted by: William Gruff | May 4 2022 19:54 utc | 202

As far as any possible Israeli cooperation on nuclear proliferation, you don't have to look much further than the history of their involvement with the South African apartheid government to figure that one out.


"Minister Botha expressed interest in a limited number of units of Chalet subject to the correct payload being available." The document then records: "Minister Peres said the correct payload was available in three sizes.

They had long term nuclear and missile cooperation despite UNSC 418 1977 placing a mandatory arms embargo on ZA. And the targets would have been Soviets so they're apparently consistent.

Posted by: Billb | May 4 2022 19:56 utc | 203

Jacob Dreizin's latest...

The Supreme Court is Working for Putin!!!!
https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/05/03/the-supreme-court-is-working-for-putin/

Wherein he points out the same thing as b, namely that Ukraine is now an also-ran in the 24-hour news cycle and will have to do even more bizarre provocations to regain importance in the Twitter-sphere over abortion... And the ruble is now at 65.3940. Plus some war analysis which is no better than anyone else's, despite Mercouris' enthusiasm for the guy.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 4 2022 20:22 utc | 204

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | May 4 2022 12:04 utc | 23
"I am not against de-Nazification,..."

Yeah, keep trying to convince us of that.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 4 2022 20:24 utc | 205

The Western propaganda is transforming into a "we are all in this together" mode as Christoforou so rightly points out. During May and June the Ukrainian army will most probably be soundly defeated in Phase 2, while the economic problems of Europe and the US will intensify. With lots of noises about "WMD" from the US side and a new law giving Biden the right to directly intervene in the case of the Russian "use" of WMD (most probably a false flag given that Russia is winning the war) anything is possible. The US and then Albania will be the acting Presidents of the UNSC in May an June respectively, which would be very useful if such a false flag was utilized.

As Mercouris has stated many times, the US neocons do not have a reverse gear and only know how to escalate. May and June look like the peak months for the possibility of such an escalation. We should not assume that any action is beneath them. My thoughts on this

Israel will be told by their masters to get aligned with the West if they want to keep getting the subsidies and the lack of coverage of their ongoing land theft and human rights atrocities.

Ruble now at 66 to the US$ (2019 levels) ; 70 to the Euro (2014 levels).

Posted by: Roger | May 4 2022 20:36 utc | 206

Lapid is a hyper-sensitive nut case. Three sentences crush his nonsense.

Is Kolomoisky a Jew? Did Kolomoisky pay neo-nazis to attack the Donbass, not to mention use them as his enforcers to steal businesses. then pay them from the proceeds? Then what does that make Kolomoisky, the Jew if nothing more than a devious collaborator with anti-semitic Nazis?

Posted by: 'Nuff Said | May 4 2022 20:41 utc | 207

PavewayIV @192--

Thanks for your reply. I was aware enrichment doesn't require a reactor, but it was clear that something nefarious was happening, and you present a credible hypothesis. Indeed, IMO there's been angst between Russia and Occupied Palestine for decades over the latter's dishonesty and related unwillingness to submit to the NPT and IAEA, all of which relate to the utter hypocrisy it has for Iran's nuclear program. I'm certain more will be uncovered thanks to the Outlaw US Empire's arrogant confidence its secret programs within Ukraine would never be discovered--the further West the SMO progresses, the more will be found.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2022 20:41 utc | 208

Is being Jewish a race or a religion?
Posted by: GEORGE M CHAMBERLAIN | May 4 2022 12:41 utc | 40

Historically, it's a religion that defined itself according to "race." Check out the prounouncements of the first rabbi, Ezra, in chapters 9 and 10 of his eponymous biblical book.

Now it's true that Third Isaiah, perhaps a contemporary of Ezra rather than the 8th century prophet to whose work the writings of Third Isaiah are appended, presents a completely different vision of a Zion filled with people of all nations. But what developed through the Pharisees into the Talmud and beyond bears more of Ezra than Third Isaiah.

Posted by: Henry Moon Pie | May 4 2022 20:46 utc | 209

Here is how the "Z" flag fluttered before the wind changed.

https://twitter.com/MoMoSaSa22/status/1520685857086513152

Posted by: Tom_12 | May 4 2022 19:07 utc | 185

Zelensky was acting then, he is acting now. It is unclear if he has ever had an original thought in his life.

Kolomoisky was paying him back then. The mobster wanted his revenge against Poroshenko for nationalizing his PrivatBank. War in Eastern Ukraine was also bad for business. I believe Kolomoisky really wanted to end the conflict.

Then the USA sanctioned Kolomoisky in September 2021 and they bought Zelensky. Things went rapidly downhill from there.

It would be great if some journalist would interview Kolomoisky to get his take on what has transpired since the 2019 Ukraine election.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | May 4 2022 20:47 utc | 210

Posted by: james | May 4 2022 17:45 utc | 140

Especially me. I get up generally somewhere from noon to 4PM. :-)

Posted by: William Gruff | May 4 2022 19:54 utc | 200

Agreed.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 4 2022 20:50 utc | 211

IMO, the basic core of this thread is human rights of which Nazism and Zionism are both Anti-Human. But so are the policies promoted and implemented by the Outlaw US Empire. Robeert Bridge has written a brilliant op/ed published by RT "The day America lost its status as the ‘ultimate defender’ of human rights: In 2001 [May 4], the US was expelled from the UN Human Rights Commission." Yes, prior to 911. He opens thusly:

"May 4, 2001 marks the day when the US was voted off the United Nations Commission on Human Rights. The decision should have provided the superpower with a much-needed wakeup call. Instead, it just became more reckless on the global stage.

"With the benefit of hindsight, there was no loss of irony about Washington losing its seat on the body for the first time since the panel’s founding in 1947. That’s because, as far as America’s track record on human rights was concerned, the ‘best’ was yet to come. In a few short years, the United States would rewrite the book for inhumane behavior in its decades-long War [OF] Terror. And while that is something nobody could have predicted in May 2001, perhaps the feeling that America had lost its moral compass was already in the air."

Well, those of us with long and functioning memories would tell Mr. Bridge that he overlooked a well- established track record of Anti-Human behavior dating from the settlement of the initial Colonies. But despite that glaring omission, what he does provide is horrific enough. That the Collective West ignores that history is no accident as it's just as guilty AND refuses to change its ways, which is why it abets Fascism, Nazism, Neoliberalism, and Zionism.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2022 20:54 utc | 212

Christian J. Chuba #23

Because the guy that comes after him will be so much better? You negotiate with enemies, not friends.

What is de-Nazification, after you ban Azov, a new and improved version of them will spring up with a different name. I am not against de-Nazification, just saying that the requirements need to be spelled out and not be open ended.

Thank you, I fully agree with you first point. On denazification I don't the term as meaning eradication of all nazi thought as that genie is clearly out of the bottle. But it can be minimised, interrupted, starved from its children as feedstock for mass action etc.

Children are far too valuable and beautiful to let them be ruined by indoctrinators and rsoles.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2022 20:59 utc | 213

I don't know and don't particularly care if Hitler's relatives were Jewish. Who our blood relations are makes no difference to how we behave. Just as being Jewish doesn't prevent Israelis persecuting Palestinians in a manner similar to Nazi Germany before the holocaust, which began in June 1941 with Operation Barbarossa.

Kasztner was undoubtedly a collaborator, not least by suppressing Rudolf Vrba & Alfred Wetzler's 'Auschwitz Protocols' (they were escapees from Auschwitz in April 1944 come to warn Hungarian Jews of their imminent deportation). Kasztner suppressed the AP in order that his talks with Eichmann succeeded. Read Ben Hecht's Perfidy. Bogdanor's book is an attempt to pretend that Kasztner was not acting on behalf of the Zionist movement and should be treated warily.

Of course the fact that you are Jewish doesn't prevent you being a neo-Nazi. It was the the Chief Rabbi of Ariel, Rabbi Dov Lior who said that a Jewish fingernail was worth more than a thousand non-Jewish lives. 'Death to the Arab's is the Israeli Right's favourite slogan. In Germany and Poland it used to be 'Death to the Jews'. Plus ca change!

Zelensky is clearly a puppet of Ukraine's neo-Nazis. When he confronted Azov over the Minsk 2 Accords it was made clear to him that if he tried to implement autonomy for the Donetsk and Luhansk republics then he would not live very long. Today he is their mouthpiece as antisemitism continues to grow in Ukraine.

Israel and the Zionist movement has no problem with this. Israel has supplied weaponry to Azov Battalion and others. Why not? An increase in antisemitism means more Jewish immigrants to Israel to displace Palestinians. As Theodor Herzl wrote in his Diaries (p.231)
'Anti-Semitism, too, probably contains the Divine will to Good, because it forces us to close ranks, unites us through pressure, and through our unity will make us free.'

Posted by: Tony Greenstein | May 4 2022 21:07 utc | 214

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2022 20:59 utc | 211

The important thing is that neo-Nazism and extreme Ukrainian nationalism, both of which are threats to Russia, must be removed from having any influence or participation in the government of Ukraine. This is what "de-Nazification" means to Russia. They don't have to remove every disgruntled anti-Russian Ukrainian, as you correctly state - just keep them out of the government and allow the government to be a compliant, pro-Russian government that Russia can use for its security interests.

The latter is the entire point of the war.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 4 2022 21:11 utc | 215

@Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2022 20:54 utc | 210

The US is a white settler colony founded on genocide, land theft and slavery. Israel is a white settler colony founded on genocide and land theft, like two peas in a pod. Both practising the Lebesnraun principal that Hitler copied from the US (and Canada and Australia). In Israel there is a Jewish pecking order, with European Jews at the top, then Arab Jews (the actual descendants of the Tribe of Abraham), then African Jews. The two nations were made for each other, literally true in the latter's case.

Why would they not practise their brutalizing natures abroad? The Philippines was referred to as "Indian Country" as a million+ civilians were killed by the invading US. The list of atrocities since is endless. I see that Israel has just approved more land theft, and that it has passed a law barring the spouses of Israeli citizens who come from the West Bank or Gaza from claiming citizenship (45-15 in the Knesset) while taking in nice white Ukrainians - the majority of which will be from the Western Bandera loving areas.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/11/israels-knesset-passes-law-barring-palestinian-spouses

Posted by: Roger | May 4 2022 21:11 utc | 216

I think it's worth keeping in mind that the Russian attitude toward Jews is somewhat unique, both among the general public and among officials.

If Western political pundits are exaggeratedly deferential to Jews and topics that Jews may consider sensitive, Russian officials have never played that game. For Russia, Jews are no more and no less than any other ethnic group, various representatives of which have played and continue to play their part in shaping the past and future history of the Russian state and society. In other words, there's such an extensive familiarity with Jews among Russians that they are viewed as part of the household and subsequently are treated the same way as anyone else - straightforwardly and without reservations.

Russian Jews are particularly active in the sphere of entertainment, media and information, and it would probably be impossible to watch a day's worth of Russian television and not be exposed to a Jew telling a self-depreciating Jew-joke or parable that would have landed the TV-station in hot water in the West. Russians justifiably consider their sacrifice in WW2, and their continuing commitment to honor that sacrifice, as plot-armor against spurious claims of antisemitism which are seen as ridiculous, ungrateful and in poor taste. That leaves the field open for honest discussion about Jewish identity, Israeli politics and all the rest, without fear of stepping on the wrong toes -- there's as little tolerance for people who play the victim card in bad faith, as there would be for someone expressing actual Nazi views or professing irrational hatred for Jews or, for that matter, other ethnic groups.

These are, of course, generalities and one can doubtlessly find examples that contradict these observations. But in regards to Lavrov's remark, it may well have been an off-the-cuff thing and, at least by Russian standards, didn't even raise an eye-brow. Unlike claims that it was somehow antisemitic and the calls for him to apologize, I should add.

I also don't exclude the possibility that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, like much of the Russian public, are annoyed at the large number of Russian media personalities and opposition figures who, with the start of the operation, moved to Israel and continue to undermine Russian efforts from there. I seem to recall that a number of them now have pending criminal cases against them and difficulties in cooperating with Israel may be flowing up to the surface simply because of that. That's in regard to the Russian response to Israeli outrage; Lavrov's remark did not appear to have anything to do with Israel itself -- though 'black sheep in every family' obviously applies to this situation as well.

Posted by: Skiffer | May 4 2022 21:17 utc | 217

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 4 2022 16:47 utc | 124

You were talking about Russian knowledge of the JFK assassination. When Nikita Khrushchev heard of the assassination he thought that the USSR would be blamed and thus issued immediate orders for a full KGB investigation. So forget about the BS Warren Report, the Russians had their own.

And then we have MI6, or at least their involvement. If you read Peter Wright's book 'Spycatcher' on page 162/63 you will find not only the team that did the assassination, but also the weapon used to kill LHO. And again the Russians know!

Posted by: Andrew S MacGregor | May 4 2022 21:22 utc | 218

Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2022 19:13 utc | 188
AHA!
Reading since 1986 :) My three are dog-eared, but vol II is most satisfying as its the one to which I most often refer, because *-English is rapidly degenerating into daily wtf.

Posted by: sln2002 | May 4 2022 21:23 utc | 219

Posted by: Juger | May 4 2022 11:17 utc | 5
Nazism is not genetically induced, is is a belief system, like a cult or a religion. Would anyone say: " No Jew can be a Mormon"? Or "No Jew can be a Jehovah's Witness"? I think not. Therefore to say: "No Jew can be a Nazi" not only flies in the face of history, but is essentially a Racist assertion.

Posted by: foolisholdman | May 4 2022 21:24 utc | 220

Down South #159


From IntelSlava

🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡The Russian army broke through to Azovstal, - Arakhamia

"For the second day, attempts to storm the plant continue. Russian troops are already on the territory of Azovstal," Zelensky's ally Arakhamia said, referring to the commander of the Nazi Azov regiment.

GOOD news. I guess rather than storm the strongolds the Russians will have a few bbq's upwind and lure them out with the waft of frying fish and other delights.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2022 21:25 utc | 221

Mr. MacGregor,

Please don't leave us on tenterhooks. Tell us what "Spycatcher" says.

Posted by: Lysias | May 4 2022 21:25 utc | 222

Mr. MacGregor,

Please don't leave us on tenterhooks. Tell us what "Spycatcher" says.

Posted by: Lysias | May 4 2022 21:25 utc | 223

Wikipedia has already edited its Hans Frank entry:

"Hans Frank's lie about Hitler was propagated by Russian foreign minister Sergey Lavrov during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. In an interview with Italian television station Rete 4 on May 1 2022, when ask to justify Russia's official claim of invading Ukraine to denazify the it along with the claim that Ukraine is run by Neo-Nazis despite the fact that Ukraine's incumbent President Volodymyr Zelensky is Jewish, Lavrov replied that "if I remember correctly, and I may be wrong, Hitler also had Jewish blood." Lavrov continued by telling the interviewer that other Jewish people had stated that "the biggest antisemites were Jewish". Lavrov's remarks sparked uproar with Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett (who himself is Jewish) condemned Lavrov's comments as "lies", demanded that the Russian state apologize for Lavrov's comments and summoned the Russian Ambassador to Israel Anatoly Viktorov [ru] in protest."

Posted by: spudski | May 4 2022 21:38 utc | 224

As the Western empire enters its dotage so too the narrative, supported with tens of billions for 80 years across the media and cinema, fractures and splinters. Here now the carefully curated story on which I was weaned in scores of war movies and standard WW2 accounts crumbles as we are faced with a messy re-run of how such a conflict played out, each side trying to capture the high moral ground but all sides pursuing their interests independently of loyalties to higher cause. In history there are only people pursuing narrow goals limited by the horizon of action. The story that follows is invariably 90% bullshit. Jews, Nazis, right, left, all reduce to opportunists searching for the scam.

Russia should just stop responding to this and go for broke. Only in war is all purified through sorrow, loss and glory. Push these animals into the sea.

Posted by: Patroklos | May 4 2022 21:43 utc | 225

PavewayIV #192

Thank you for that information on tritium and the reactors. There will be some mighty interesting discoveries to be revealed.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2022 21:44 utc | 226

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 4 2022 19:06 utc | 183

AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA, music to my ears.

"As I have tried to explain in the past week or so regarding the fetishistic appropriation of the term "Nazi," and as Heidegger opined, the west (industrial capitalism) and the east (communism) were metaphysically the same."

Nazi Germany was an integral part of the west and of industrial capitalism.

Nazi Germany was also an integral part of Heidegger and his philosophy, for that matter.

Heidegger wasn't only a swastika armband Nazi, his philosophy is a f****ng joke of rampant navel-gazing.
He himself gives it in writing that his philosophy is both useless and purposely obscure, that is, doubly useless.

And no, they're not metaphysically the same. They're not the same in their ontological characteristics - in their origins and substance, and they're not the same in their espoused metaphysics, although that's not to say they're unrelated or that there are no common elements.

By the way, good example of "validation of nazi-fascist ideological content as opposed to correctly identifying ideological form and function"

"They both utilized human capital for aspiritual (antihuman) means, which in the end becomes nothing more than apocalyptic suicide, which I believe is what Heidegger was attempting to convey, and which perhaps Hitler had a faint inkling of."

Oh yeah, thinking that Germans were the master race was SUPER SPIRITUAL.

Trying to enslave or exterminate slavic peoples was PRO-HUMAN TO THE HILT.

And I'm undecided whether culling disabled people was more SPIRITUAL, or more PRO-HUMAN.

"This bar is absolutely crawling with bad-faith Marxists (can there be any other kind of Marxist?)."

I don't owe a single iota of good faith to those who have repeatedly mass-murdered anybody they didn't fancy, starting with my political forebears, even during peacetime, all over the world.

You can learn to live with it, or you can keep whining "won't somebody PLEASE think of the Nazis!" and "why does everybody have so much bad faith" which is something extremely comical when paired with Herrenvolk leanings.

"Many do not realize that Marxism was, from its outset, an anti-philosophical appropriation of Hegelian thought."

Au contraire. Marxism is exactly the one useful thing to come out of Hegelianism; which was simply german-supremacist theology masquerading as philosophy.

"Both victors in WW2 have done all they can to keep spirit tied-down."

The problem with this sort of grand-sounding statements is that they cannot be objectively determined or verified for s**t, they can mean whatever the f**k you want and there is zero guarantee that any reader will understand the same.

Posted by: Arganthonios | May 4 2022 21:46 utc | 227

@Peter | May 4 2022 19:07 utc | 184

If I had any doubt that you were a Nazi, the reference to Irving removed that doubt.

Posted by: wschira | May 4 2022 21:46 utc | 228

Netanhayu’s son, nazi sympathizer:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hailing-yair-netanyahu-neo-nazi-site-puts-him-on-its-banner/

Posted by: Shyaku | May 4 2022 21:49 utc | 229

Zionism in the Age of the Dictators by Lenni Brenner A Reappraisal

https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/document/mideast/agedict/index.htm


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Once Hitler had triumphed inside Germany, the position of the Jews was hopeless; all that was left for them was to go into exile and continue the fight from there. Many did, but the Zionists continued to dream of winning the patronage of Adolf Hitler for themselves. They did not fight Hitler before he came to power, when there was still a chance to beat him, not out of any degree of cowardice, but out of their deepest conviction, which they had inherited from Herzl, that anti-Semitism could not be fought. Given their failure to resist during Weimar, and given their race theories, it was inevitable that they would end up as the ideological jackals of Nazism. (Preface)

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Eichmann described Kasztner as follows:

This Dr Kastner [many sources Anglicise Kasztner’s name] was a young man about my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation – and even keep order in the collection camps – if I would close my eyes and let a few hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price of 15,000 or 20,000 Jews – in the end there may have been more – was not too high for me. Except perhaps for the first few sessions, Kastner never came to me fearful of the Gestapo strong man. We negotiated entirely as equals. People forget that. We were political opponents trying to arrive at a settlement, and we trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoked cigarettes as though he were in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigarette after another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them with a little silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.

Dr Kastner’s main concern was to make it possible for a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel ...

As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our attitudes in the SS and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic Zionist leaders who were fighting what might be their last battle. As I told Kastner: “We, too, are idealists and we, too, had to sacrifice our own blood before we came to power.”

I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political goal. He was not interested in old Jews or those who had become assimilated into Hungarian society. But he was incredibly persistent in trying to save biologically valuable Jewish blood – that is, human material that was capable of reproduction and hard work. “You can have the others” he would say, “but let me have this group here.” And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape. After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews. [19]

André Biss, Joel Brand’s cousin, who worked with Kasztner in Budapest, and who supported his policy, nevertheless corroborated Eichmann’s statement in part in his book, A Million Jews to Save, when he described who boarded the famous train which reached Switzerland on 6 December 1944:

Then came the most numerous group, Kasztner’s pride – the Zionist youth. These were composed of the members of various organisations of agricultural pioneers, of extreme right-wing “revisionists” who already possessed immigration certificates, and a number of orphans ... Lastly came those who had been able to pay cash for their journey, for we had to collect the sum the Germans demanded. But of the 1684 in the train 300 at the most were of this category ...

Kasztner’s mother, his brothers, sisters and other members of his family from Klausenburg [Kluj] were passengers ... Members of the families of those who had fought for the formation of this convoy formed at the most a group of 40 to 50 persons ... In the confusion that ensued about 380 persons managed to clamber into the train which left Budapest, not with 1300 passengers as expected, but crammed full with more than 1700 travellers. [20]

That one Zionist betrayed the Jews would not be of any moment: no movement is responsible for its renegades. However, Kasztner was never regarded as a traitor by the Labour Zionists. On the contrary, they insisted, that if he was guilty, so were they. Kasztner certainly betrayed the Jews who looked to him as one of their leaders, despite Judge Chesin’s opinion:

There is no law, either national or international, which lays down the duties of a leader in an hour of emergency toward those who rely on leadership and are under his instructions. [32]

However, by far the most important aspect of the Kasztner-Gruenwald affair was its full exposure of the working philosophy of the World Zionist Organisation throughout the entire Nazi era: the sanctification of the betrayal of the many in the interest of a selected immigration to Palestine. (Chapter 26)
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Posted by: jpb | May 4 2022 21:51 utc | 230

For the knowledge of Britons and US citizens here whose relatives could have fallen in the battle of Niemegen...

Ukrainian fascists in the Netherlands vandalize the Niemegen cemetery with Nazi symbols, where the remains of Allied soldiers who fell in World War II at the hands of the Nazis rest. Thousands of civilians as well as British and US soldiers died in the Battle of Niemegen.

https://twitter.com/ComisionOctubre/status/1521885045258084352

Have you heard a voice of complaint from anybody in "The West"? Von der Leyen, anywhere? Israeli cabinet?

Can we already openly talk on that we live in the IV Nazi Reich?

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 4 2022 21:56 utc | 231

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 4 2022 16:49 utc | 126 "the main dispute Kennedy had with the intel community was with the FBI,"

Oh no! You have forgotten Edward Lansdale and the Bay of Pigs fiasco.
Edward Lansdale resigned his position in the Kennedy government at the end August 1963, but was seen at Dallas and photographed with the three tramps who then vanished from sight. And then Lansdale's team was rolled up, which explains the shooting of Officer JD Tippit outside the safe house. The JFK assassination was far more complex than what is normally believed as JFK had made many enemies, and as the original statement was in regard to what the Russians know, perhaps we should stick to that.

I believe that you will find that the Russians have a vast amount of knowledge, and their 'Intel' is far superior to that of the West (CIA/MI6 and 5 eyes) and has been for decades. You only have to look at MH370 and MH17 to comprehend that

Posted by: Andrew S MacGregor | May 4 2022 21:58 utc | 232

Consortium News still down.

Posted by: Lysias | May 4 2022 22:15 utc | 233

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 4 2022 17:50 utc | 142
"Does that also explain why Dmitro Yarosh, a Jewsih Ukrainian, leads Ukrainian Right Sektor, ~ who flew from Ukraine, alojg his nazi paramilitary leader fellow Biletsky, in the first moments of the Russian SMO?

Of course the warrant issued in 2014, by Russia for Dmitro Yarosh for terrorist crimes may have been an incitement to leave

Posted by: Andrew S MacGregor | May 4 2022 22:16 utc | 234

karlof1@210
These squabbles over Jews are very eurocentric. In most of the world Jews are not regarded as either special or unusual. Even in commercial and financial circles, where in Christian Europe and the greater Mediterranean world of islam , Jewish merchants and bankers have long played important and controversial roles, in most of the world numerous other castes, cults and clan systems play leading roles in trade and commerce. And anti-semitism is absent or unknown.

The real story here is that, as was inevitable from the beginning, Russia finds herself forced into an alliance with the rest of the anti-imperialist world. Russia being herself, just as much as any African or Asian country a victim of imperialism.
If we just cast our minds back to the last century we find that Russia, the Soviet Union, always on the side of the oppressed: share croppers in Arkansas- check. Steelworkers in Alabama-check. The Scottsboro Boys-check. Sacco and Vanzetti-check.
The nickel miners in Sudbury? The Cuban Revolution? The anti colonial struggles in Africa? The Algerian war of independence. The list is as long as the fight of the poor against the rich, of the exploited against the bloodsuckers, of the Koreans who resisted Japanese imperialism against the collaborators, the United States and the same crew now cheering for Zelensky. Russian and German pilots flew MIGs that shot down the USAF bombers which reduced the country to rubble.
Wherever there were colonials fighting for freedom-and where there were workers fighting against injustice and wage theft (recall the Miners Strike in the UK? And the previous one in 1926?) In Scotland where John Maclean led a fight for socialism and independence and was jailed for it, he emerged from jail as the Soviet Union's consul in Edinburgh.

It was because the world knew otherwise that imperialist propaganda went to such pains to portray not just the Soviet Union but even its predecessor, the Tsarist state, as an empire. All the countries of eastern Europe currently lined up behind Ukraine, were portrayed as being parts of an Empire. But the truth was that, if those states suffered it was generally because they were sanctioned, boycotted and subverted by the US Empire. If their economies did not thrive it was because they wee penalised and punished by an Empire crying crocodile tears and doing all it could to make life for Poles, Czechs and others 'behind the Iron Curtain' difficult. The Empire aimed to starve them, it worked to deter democratic initiatives and break relations across borders.
The propagandists in the Foreign Office, the Times and Washington call the Soviet system imperial (just as fake leftists like Paul Mason or the wankers at Novara call Russia today imperial). But they cannot adduce any proofs- generally speaking the Easter European countries now in NATO, did very well out of the Soviet system. They were never invaded for example, never forced into the nuclear firing line and, for the most part, in relative terms, they thrived under the defence umbrella provided by Moscow.
Just as in Tsarist times the most prosperous, least exploited regions were the Baltic states, where serfdom-introduced by western capitalism- was abolished before it was in Russia, so in the Soviet "evil" empire subsidies flowed from the centre to the peripheries, rather than in Britain, the other way around.

It is a very long story but it is not about morality but material reality. Russia was the great obstacle then, under Nicholas I or Alexander, Zinoviev or Stalin, to the Empire's instinctive impulse for global domination, its capitalist heart. It fought against Apartheid because Apartheid, a crucial imperial element, fought against it. Mandela rallied to Moscow because there was no alternative. Allende and Castro realised the same thing. Moscow trained Angolan soldiers because it it did otherwise- look at the evil daily performed by the graduates of Leavenworth, Sandhurst and St Cyr, for the past eight years and more, too.

What Lavrov's words seem to mean is that the new conservative, moderate, partner to all, Russia has realised that, as Dostoevsky and the slavophiles knew and as the westerners and liberals in Moscow insist on denying, Russia is part of the anti-imperialist world. Now, as then, the European empires see slavs as tradeable commodities just like the natives of the Congo and the Bight of Benin.
Russians may have fair complexions and pale skin but they aren't 'white men' anymore than are Bengalis, Punjabis, 'nishnabe, Quechua or Arabs.
It is not a matter of individual privileges but of a geopolitical divide which puts Russia in the same camp as Palestine, as Hezbollah, as Ansrullah, because its enemy is their enemy.

Israel emerged from the Empire, it was born in the League Mandate which, effectively, whitewashed the British conquest. It grew up (and all these stories are more or less complex) protected by the British Army until it reached a stage, allied with Zionists in America and profiting from good relations with the Communists in Europe, when it could break free of its trammels and do to the Palestinians what the British had always prevented the Palestinians from doing to them.
And Israel now cannot choose any other side but that of the Empire fighting Russia. Krushchev and the CPSU realised this much and allied themselves with Nasser, just as in later years they allied themselves with Ghadaffi. And now Pitin and Lavrov have forced Israel into a position where it has said, quite clearly, If we have to choose between you and the imperialists cause de jour, we're on their payroll. Nothing personal."
As to Russia it may console itself that the great mass of the Arabs and millions of muslims will see themselves, as the Syrians have done, as friends with a common and deadly foe. Not Israel but the imperialism with which Israel has thrown in its lot.

In Russian history geography is destiny. Not being surrounded by oceans it must, to defend itself from aggression, surround itself with friends, or people who realise that their survival depends on mutual aid. Instinctive to people with long winters every year. That explains the why and the how of the military operation in Ukraine. As Brzezinsky knew Ukraine and Russia could not survive except together. The Russians have realised that, Ukraine's long and complex history proves it for patriotic Ukrainians

Posted by: bevin | May 4 2022 22:29 utc | 235

One factor to take into account is that the Zionist Weltanschauung cannot tolerate any doubt about the monolithic belief of "Jews protect each other". I think that the outrage of the Israeli government is based on that.

The reality of the situation is that many incidents in history after 1948 involving Jewish victims had direct or indirect participation of Israeli agents. For instance, suspicious actions were verified during 9/11 involving Mossad agents (being prepared to film the attack beforehand) and in the 1992 and 1994 bombings in Buenos Aires (similar patterns proving that the explosives were located inside the buildings and not on a charged van driven by a Muslim extremist).

Confirming such involvements, most of the non-Zionist Jewish communities around the World would deeply question the actual protection of Israel to Jews. It will become clear that, even though Israelis don't want to kill other Jews for fun, they would sacrifice some of them if the geopolitical goals justify such actions, something that doesn't help to attract Jewish people to emigrate to Israel.

Posted by: Andres | May 4 2022 22:29 utc | 236

Correction:
"Moscow trained Angolan soldiers because if it did otherwise...Just look at the evil daily performed by the graduates of Leavenworth, Sandhurst and St Cyr, for the past eighty years and more, too..."

Posted by: bevin | May 4 2022 22:34 utc | 237

the problem is nationalism. Lavrov cannot say "zionism" but must instead say "Jew" because he's a nationalist. if he discussed Israel in terms of political ideology, he'd be condemning himself and the Putin government. can't do that. russian nationalism good, jewish nationalism bad. (that said, fuck israel).

Posted by: rjb1.5 | May 4 2022 22:35 utc | 238

Ghost@229
A Bridge Too Far for the Azov people. This should put a damper on Parachute Regiment recruits for Zelensky's cheap parody of the Waffen SS

Posted by: bevin | May 4 2022 22:41 utc | 239

Gonzalo’s new channel is worth subscribing to. Those dissing him and casting aspersions can get lost or educate themselves. https://youtu.be/qTrqrAuzuDg

Posted by: Oh | May 4 2022 22:49 utc | 240

MarkU | May 4 2022 14:27 utc | 74

None to speak of. Maybe technically "debunked," but from link you gave:

In the 1680s, the Margraviate of Brandenburg, then leading the broader realm of Brandenburg-Prussia, pursued limited imperial efforts in West Africa. . . . Brandenburg — after 1701, the Kingdom of Prussia — pursued these colonial efforts until 1721, when Arguin was captured by the French and the Gold Coast settlements were sold to the Dutch Republic.

Which is to say, any colonial efforts prior to the 1880s were small in scale and erased from the face of Africa within 40 years.

Posted by: aij | May 4 2022 22:53 utc | 241

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 4 2022 15:39 utc | 98

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

if you think it means anything at all, that is

What is "marxist" in any of this?

Posted by: Arganthonios | May 4 2022 23:04 utc | 242

@Posted by: aij | May 4 2022 22:53 utc | 239

Until malarial meds became available, then it was colonial game on.

Posted by: Roger | May 4 2022 23:09 utc | 243

The Israelis and Jews don't care about the Nazis in Ukraine because this time the Untermensch are people with Russian blood within Ukraine. Even Blinken is a Jew and he's backing the Nazis.

It's a mistake to think they are anti-Jew, the extreme Nazi view in Ukraine is to ethnically cleanse the country of Russian blood or anyone that supports Russians.

Neo-Nazism today is not necessarily about targeting Jews, that was in WWII. Now it is more about using the same extreme nationalism Nazi methods but the ethnic cleansing is about removing all Russians, Russian language and culture from Ukraine. It's why the Donbas has been targeted by the AZOVs for 8 years.

During Maidan and post-Maidan Ukraine, there have been many public demonstrations where people have chanted "kill Russians", or "death to Russians".

I don't know why people don't get this.

Posted by: George Wendell | May 4 2022 23:14 utc | 244

The behaviour of the Jewish State of Israel is a mirror image of Hitler's Third Reich is a mirror of US-Uk's carpet bombing of Dresden, Cologne, Hamburg & Berlin.

In short they're all fascist scum.

Posted by: WTFUD | May 4 2022 23:14 utc | 245

A message is being sent in the opposite direction as well. Note who was tasked with clearing the Nazis out of Mariupol, their main HQ. Muslim soldiers rescuing Orthodox Christians from Nazis is how this plays in Islam. A debt repaid (Syria), an honour bestowed, and old grievances put aside is how I read that.

Posted by: ebear | May 4 2022 18:34 utc | 160

Insightful post on both counts ebear. Thanks.

My take on Lavrov's remark is also that it is a warning shot. There are probably many layers of meaning depending on who is listening. However I took it to mean something like this:
"Russia puts up with Israel under certain conditions of peaceful co-existence as per the UN, but never ever misunderstand that we Russia know exactly who you are and what you are doing, even back as far as Hitler, and we have the proof."

I don't think Lavrov believes in a Jewish bloodline at all , he is poking at the Israelis and their faux beliefs.

As to all the Jewish nonsense, I see being Jewish as being a cultural affiliation, sometimes and for some people it's a lot more and a lot darker than that. I have Jewish inlaws and I see that they are excellent at supporting each other and keeping expertise and money in their own communities. I do observe that this strength of community is underpinned by a lot of political lobbying and I don't think without the insane levels of pro Israel propaganda post WW2 that the Jewish community diaspora would be anywhere near so strong and unified as it is today. But most jewish people who participate in the benefits of a strong community would have no idea about any of this, just as most people in any western society have no idea about the true levels of corruption in our governments or religions.

Posted by: K | May 4 2022 23:18 utc | 246

bevin | May 4 2022 22:29 utc | 233
Thanks!

The US hegemony has been based on its unique economic power with Europe destroyed after WW2. The US terror always underlined that there was no alternative.

With the economic uprise of Russia, China and Asia suddenly the US terror proofs the opposite. They have no other means but destruction. They are loosing.

The message arrives everywhere. Even in Europe. VanderLyin's desperation proofs it.

But with all this said, Russia can still loose this war. History never follows a straight line.

Posted by: njet | May 4 2022 23:22 utc | 247

Ghost of Mozgovoy #229

Can we already openly talk on that we live in the IV Nazi Reich?


Not only are we living in it but sometimes it appears that europe has been colonised by sleazy fair stall performers in nazi drag. No wonder Russia despairs of talking with these clowns.

On the general question of ethnic hatred - it appears to me that Russian hatred with its wide range of peoples has been propagated for longer and more vehemently and consistently than hatred of jews. Is this really just a cover for enabling anglo saxon dominance?

Have the european peoples been under this ludicrous an dangerous spell for centuries?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2022 23:31 utc | 248

Posted by: bevin | May 4 2022 22:29 utc | 233


"...What Lavrov's words seem to mean is that the new conservative, moderate, partner to all, Russia has realised that, as Dostoevsky and the slavophiles knew and as the westerners and liberals in Moscow insist on denying, Russia is part of the anti-imperialist world..."

Thank you, bevin. I have finished reading "Poor Folk", and instead of returning to the biographies, after working out the time line of D's novels, realized that " The Diary of an Author" (which I have) comes right after "The Devils", wherein he takes a politically subversive theme as somewhat emanating from the liberal persuasion of his Don Quixote-like protagonist leading up to and through his final great work, "The Brothers Karamazov".

I read last night the introductory segment, delightful - I'll save further description for later, but just quote my translator, Boris Brasol, as an enticement:

"...the Diary is a noble human document. Rousseau's and Tolstoy's somewhat pretentious "confessions," Goethe's Dichtung und Wahrheit, Musset's La Confession d'un Enfant du Siecle, and similar public avowals are either more or less entertaining memoirs, or autobiographical discourses, essentially egocentric and, despite their self-denunciation, obviously intendedeither to diagnose the author's "moral malady" or to justify it by reason of the morbid influences of a vicious "milieu" or other circumstances beyond one's control. The Diary, on the other hand, contains little autobiographical material. The author's "I" is bashfully hidden behind the coulisses of the impetuous narrative [!]; only now and then does it appear as a mere casual allusion to something having a general significance in the treatment of a vital subject [!!]. The emphasis here is not on "I" but on "you", on the things that are common to all men, to every stratum of modern society..."

This is a translator I can relate to - see you on the open thread!

Posted by: juliania | May 4 2022 23:31 utc | 249

Consortium News still down.
Posted by: Lysias | May 4 2022 22:15 utc | 231

Must have happened recently. This morning CN was serving a new article about PayPal's decision to restore their account. Worrisome, no? On a few levels:

(1) They're sewing up total information control, as expected.

(2) They're choosing this moment to do this because something is in the works -- such as the nuclear false-flag Oliver Stone has been warning about.

(3) They're on their way to closing MoA down too (nice knowin' y'all!) I've always been a political hypochondriac, but lately my hunches are all paying out. I could win the lottery -- I'm so lucky -- just before the missiles fly...

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 4 2022 23:31 utc | 250

Patriarch Kirill, the head of Russia's Orthodox Church now facing European sanctions over Ukraine, is a fervent supporter of President Vladimir Putin who once described his rule as a "miracle".

Posted by: SailorsWife | May 4 2022 23:33 utc | 251

Arganthanios@240

“What is Marxist in any of this” ( cultural Marxism)

The Marxism in the term cultural Marxism comes from the genesis of the ideas from members of the Frankfurt school who when they immigrated began to realize that the widespread material well being of the population was not fertile ground for classical Marxist theory. They invented new criteria, race and sexual orientation being primary features for a new modern underclass. The Frankfurt school is a primarily Jewish Marxist thought center.

Black = worker
White male = oppressor class

Therefore new terms like systemic racism, white privilege and white supremacy became commonly used in the media
Hillary famously used every thing she could think of to call white voters, racists, sexist, homophobe,islamophobe, irredeemable, deplorable, Obama called white voters bitter clingers holding on to their guns and bibles. Michelle O said she was never proud of being American. Cultural Marxism today defines a political movement. It is not just a theory. Democrat party has adopted it 100%.

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 4 2022 23:36 utc | 252

@Posted by: Obamavirus | May 4 2022 23:36 utc | 250

The Frankfurt School are Critical Theorists not Marxists, please stop pushing this alt-right conspiracy BS that mirrors the "Jewish Bolshevism" Nazi themes. Hillary et al are your classic US "progressives" pushing cultural ideologies and "institutional reforms" to redirect the population away from the US oligarch class and political economy. The alt-right play their fake opposition within the two headed establishment Party, finding "communist" and "Marxist" conspiracies around every corner. The oligarchs are capitalists.

Go read some Gramsci for an actual treatment of culture within a Marxist framework.

Posted by: Roger | May 4 2022 23:49 utc | 253

bevin @233--

Thanks for the historical review. I haven't mentioned Russia's anti-Imperial bent to-date because there wasn't any need. I'm very well versed in Russian history. In classes dealing with the subject of Imperialism and Empire, one had to acknowledge Russia's Imperial desires since they were undeniable, and in the quest to satisfy that desire an Empire was formed. That desire was a warm water port and was a distinctly deliberate policy carried on for generations. The expansion to the East was different, but it became Imperial during the conquest of the Central Asian polities. But the granting of a local autonomy there was along Mongol lines, a fact few recognize. The demand for furs in its Northern climate led Russia to explore the Northwest Pacific and discover the land called Alaska and the very long coastline of North America. But the fur-bearing animals were almost decimated, and the returns no longer justified the costs, so Russia abandoned the territory it discovered--the only such instance in European history.

Russia's Imperial System and territorial ambition made it an Empire, but today, that's no longer the case. Yes, it seeks fiends willing to establish a type of indivisible security realm where none is threatened and comradely relations can develop and grow. That's what the Union State concept is all about. But as we've seen, those potential friends are lied to and bought so that they refuse to become friends; or if once friends, they are coerced into becoming unfriendly. Most OSCE members have broken the Security Treaties they signed mainly by becoming members of the hostile NATO.

As I've advocated, the only way the situation can be rectified is for NATO to be rolled back to its 1997 status, which Russia has stated is the fundamental requirement for its security to be satisfied. As Hudson notes, the Outlaw US Empire's reasons for its actions differs from Russia's response. It's fearful in its weakened state of losing what Colonies it has, so its developed a policy course aimed at tying its Colonies even closer to it despite that being against their interests, while trying to weaken one of its main rivals, and hope by extension to weaken the other. The Empire even admits this policy to be true. Hudson points out the massive Anti-Human qualities of that policy, which is why it must be refuted, reviled and defeated by humanity.

In their Declarations since 2018, Russia and China have openly declared their Pro-Human policies and support for Pro-Human institutions while pointing out the opposite being done by the Outlaw US Empire and its vassals/Colonies. It's informing humanity of the very big divide at such a basic level between the Multipolar versus Unipolar world that I strive to accomplish. I see that as a very easy to depict Framework that transcends political-economics that allows most anyone to join in describing.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2022 23:56 utc | 254

Wow. Mr b. Thank you for this most fearless statement of facts.
This stands as one of the most important tracts by a well respected commentator in the western world today.

Respect.

It is not about Religious people.

It is about these who weaponise religion and claim to represent it. Like the priests or bishops.

Religion should remain personal not Political.

The Earth is not the centre of the universe.
God is an invention of humans.

Nazis killed at least 4 times more Russians than Jews.

The killers never got caught , they have been bred and come back to try kill more Russians.

Not happening. Russians remember.

If I went back in time for a minute with one bullet for a moment with Hitler and Stalin in front of me in 1930’s what should I do in that 60 seconds?

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 4 2022 23:57 utc | 255

@Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2022 23:31 utc | 246

The European peoples have never hated the Russians, quite the contrary, in certain countries, like it is the case of Spain, their antifascist heroic gest during WWII and their always helping hand against fascism remains so far alive.

It is the EU elites who need to condition the people agsint the Russians as they did during the past decade or so with Ukraine, highlhy likley for a future incursion in Russian land for plundering

All in all, as people are for its most part human, ven in Ukraine there is not so much hatred for Russians after all the terror and conditioning of all these years.

You may have heard of "Babushka Z", a babushka living near Kharkov who took some Ukrainian Army operatives for Russians and came out of his humble home with the Victory Banner stating she had been waiting for them so much time, praying for them, for Putin, and everybody
The Ukrorcs decided to mock her giving her some tins of food plus a bag with food while telling her they would hold the banner while she charged the food.
At that moment the Ukronazi procceeds to lay the banner in the soil and steps on it.
The old woman, realizing these were Ukronazis instead the Russians she waited for, freed her arms in depair and returned all the food, stating courageously that she did not want anything while vindicating that her father died for that flag the moron was stepping on...

The woman became a modern symbol of the "Call of the Motherland" and her image decorates buildings and even Russian soldiers wear now patches with her image

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 5 2022 0:04 utc | 256

Roger@251

“Progressives are pushing cultural ideologies”

Absolutely. It is a political movement. Look I didn’t invent the term OK? Go read Wikipedia. I’m not a political scientist, Are you? I do know that BLM riots and the smearing of conservatives in the media along with the introduction of criteria to change election procedures and laws has been very destructive for the this country. Will you ivory tower types allow me to have and share my opinions? Should I not bother? I’m OK either way.

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 5 2022 0:05 utc | 257

Onde houver derramamento de sangue,tem quase sempre o dedo de Israel" Além de apoiar o facismo na Ucrânia, Israel apoiam também o terrorismo. Não podemos esquecer seu apoio ao Estado Islâmico e Al Quaeda na Síria, Iraque e além !

Posted by: Rodrigues | May 5 2022 0:05 utc | 258

@ Aleph_Null and everyone:

Consortium News is up and running again!

Posted by: malenkov | May 5 2022 0:15 utc | 259

Brilliant as always. The truth does indeed set us free.

Thank you b.

Posted by: Moses22 | May 5 2022 0:26 utc | 260

The arguments that Nazis (or Neonazis) are not important in Ukraine today are ludicrous.

Claims that it's impossible because the President is a Jew are even more ludicrous.

Presidents will employ whoever they feel will advance their agenda. Zelensky and Kolomoisky use and fund Nazis precisely because they share their goal of driving ethnic Russians out of Ukraine, and/or getting them to submit to Ukrainian anti-Russian totalitarianism. And these Nazis will use heartless tactics to advance their ends. The same reason why the US funded the Mujahadeen and used re-branded Al Qaeda in Syria and other conflicts.

Jews are not so universally principled as to never to do this. The best example is when Zionist Jews in Israel had an agreement with Hitler until 1937. Jews going to Israel got a better deal than those staying or going elsewhere. As a result of this deal, Jewish Zionist oligarchs in UK and US quashed the planned Jewish boycott on German goods in 1933. They had a deal with Hitler that they liked. The notion that Jews would never do things like these is as preposters as a claim that all Christians are saints.

This is not unlike the example of Zionists preferring anti-semitic leaders elsewhere also, because they help in encouraging Jews to move to Israel, or other Zionist ends, is a tendency that still seems to exist today. Israel seems to have some of its best relationships with open anti-Semites, including Trump.

But taking a page of racial determinism from the likes of Hitler and arguing that he was descended from Jews there kinda is one is not a good way to make this point, I believe.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | May 5 2022 0:33 utc | 261

While reading on this issue (Zionism) many years ago, I encountered this charming conversation between a (Zionist)jew and a Rabbi:

Speaking to the Rabbi, a jew said that Palestine was being put forth as a home for the Zionist state. He replied that "though the bride be beautiful, she is already married."

Posted by: donten | May 5 2022 0:35 utc | 262

@Mark Rothschild 162

“Before this war began I had never realized the volume of unresolved emotional turmoil that still lays right below the surface in many people psyches.”

Ain’t that the truth. Lol

Posted by: Antiwar Dinosaur | May 5 2022 0:45 utc | 263

Posted by: Lysias @ 221

"Please don't leave us on tenterhooks. Tell us what "Spycatcher" says".

Posted by: Andrew S MacGregor | May 4 2022 21:22 utc | 216

"And then we have MI6, or at least their involvement. If you read Peter Wright's book 'Spycatcher' on page 162/63 you will find not only the team that did the assassination, but also the weapon used to kill LHO. And again the Russians know!"

I happen to have "Spy Catcher", I have read pp162-163 but all I can find is Russia did an investigation. You can relax now Lysias, nothing much to see here.

More interesting for me was "The Spy Catcher Trial" by Malcolm Turnbull, [written when Turnbull was a young Barister]. The lengths governments go to to keep the public ignorant is amazing.

Posted by: Paul | May 5 2022 1:04 utc | 264

OTOH, the argument that every family has black sheep is fine and part of the argument I make.

Posted by: Charles Peterson | May 5 2022 1:06 utc | 265

@ Arganthonios | May 4 2022 21:46 utc | 225

Great reply.

@ Roger | May 4 2022 23:49 utc | 251

They will very rarely opt to read the Marxist source material. They would much rather take the word of snake-oil salesmen who masquerade as "working class patriots" than investigate themselves.

Chumps, just like their liberal kin, although it is never too late to grow wiser.

Posted by: dimitrov | May 5 2022 1:08 utc | 266

to malenkov | May 5 2022 0:15 utc | 257

I cannot get Consortium News, alas, and I was just there the other day......Are they under attack again?

I can finally get Strategic Culture here in Mexico :):)

I was just checking to see if Multipolarista is still up. Did any of you see this one by Ben Norton, I love it:

https://multipolarista.com/2022/04/28/nicaragua-oas-museum-shame/

Nicaragua expropriates OAS building, will replace it with ‘Museum of Shame’ documenting imperialist crimes

Nicaragua’s Sandinista government expelled the US-dominated OAS and expropriated its office building, where it will now create a public “Museum of Shame” to educate visitors about imperialist crimes committed against Latin America.......

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 5 2022 1:13 utc | 267

@ bevin | May 4 2022 22:29 utc | 233

great post... thanks.... i think most folks don't know this historical perspective and would be depressed to read a review such as this, if they were open minded enough to accept it..

@ richard steven hack... you keep later hours then me! you are definitely a night owl..

Posted by: james | May 5 2022 1:14 utc | 268

@ bevin | May 4 2022 22:29 utc | 233

great overview... thanks for stating all that!

@ richard steven hack... you are more of a night owl then me.. thank you again for all your informative posts..

Posted by: james | May 5 2022 1:15 utc | 269

In addition to b’s excellent dissection and exposing the BS, I must also compliment the many excellent comments posted. I am in the company of educated opinion here, and that is sadly a rare place to find oneself in these days.

Thank you 🙏

Posted by: Moses22 | May 5 2022 1:26 utc | 270

I’m a long time lurker but rare commenter.

2 of my best friends are Jewish. They wrestle with the issue of Judaism as American conservatives. They both appreciate this article.

This has to be one of your best articles.

I would add their is strong suspicion that Anne Frank was betrayed by Jewish Leaders.

Posted by: Beltway Bandit | May 5 2022 1:38 utc | 271

Posted by: bevin | May 4 2022 22:29 utc | 233

That’s the best comment I’ve read in a long time. It’s a proud history.

Posted by: Lex | May 5 2022 2:09 utc | 272

PavewayIV | May 4 2022 19:31 utc | 192

That fits with my earlier thoughts on Russian objectives in the first phase.
Securing nuclear sites and evidence, securing bio labs and evidence and trapping what I now believe to be a Nato headquarters in Mariupol - these objectives to be secured as fast as possible even if it meant taking losses - as well as shaping the battlefield as Ritter calls it.

Ukraine spent nuclear fuel was sent to Chernobyl for cooling which Russia secured very quickly but have now left. Russia still holds Zaporizhzhia and I believe Russia found some dirty bombs/warheads there either under construction or complete.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 5 2022 2:24 utc | 273

i thought there was an alimony cheque sent regularly to hitlers grandmother that sheds some light in this claim.

Posted by: hankster | May 5 2022 2:32 utc | 274

From Pepe Escobar's Telegram channel...

DRANG NACH OSTEN

"Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose”

Severing of the Ukraine from Russia has been Anglo-Saxon policy for centuries.

"The political aims [of Germany] of the invasion of Russia [under Hitler and also today] being the creation of the Ukrainian State, a separate Belorussia and a confederation of the Baltic States.”

Franz Halder. Kriegstagebuch: Tagliche Aufzeichnungen des chefs des Generalstabes sea Heeres 1939-1942, Band II: Von der geplanten Landung in England bis zum Beginn des Ostfeldzuges (1.7.1940-21.6.1941). Hans-Adolf Jacobsen (ed.), Stuttgart, 1963.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 5 2022 2:35 utc | 275

Please don't leave us on tenterhooks. Tell us what "Spycatcher" says.

Posted by: Lysias | May 4 2022 21:25 utc | 220

Harvey and Angleton (Bill Harvey and James Jesus Angleton) questioned me closely about every part of the Suez Operation.
"We're developing a new capacity in the Company to handle these kinds of problems,"explained Harvey, "and we're in the market for the requisite expertise."
Whenever Harvey became serious, his voice dropped to a low monotone, and his vocabulary lapsed into the kind of strangled bureaucratic syntax beloved of Washington officials. He explained ponderously that they needed deniable personnel, and improved technical facilities - in Harvey jargon, "delivery mechanisms." They were especially interested in the SAS. Harvey knew that the SAS operated up on the Soviet border in the 1950s tracking Russian rocket signals with mobile receivers before the satellites took over, and that they were under orders not to be caught, even if this meant fighting their way out of trouble.

Now this meeting was in May 1961 just after the Bay of Pigs. There was I believe a SAS team that Harvey witnessed in action whilst he was in Germany, and I believe that was the team he was after. So the CIA, the 'senior' partner in the 'firm' requested from Peter Wright of MI5 that particular team from MI6, and they got the team. Now from 1961 to 1963 what known political assassinations took place that the CIA would have been responsible for? Only JFK.

And again, which team did the CIA have in Dallas for September? It doesn't matter at first, but after JFK was assassinated there became the problem of LHO and he had to be taken out, so who would have taken out LHO? The very same team that took out Kennedy. Can you understand this point? So while there is very little evidence of the assassination of Kennedy, there is more than enough for the assassination of LHO, and again, it can only be the very same team.

In the news video of the shooting of LHO, there is 'Officer William J Harrison' who is smoking a cigarette, and is left-handed, which is quite noticeable when he puts out his cigarette by rolling it between his fingers. Harrison was the gunman on the grassy knoll. The second member of the team can again be identified as the skinny young man wearing a hat that assists Harrison and others in securing the gunman that shot LHO. This, according to the Warren Commission was Officer Miller, aka Henry John Ayres of Alaska. The third member of the team, was the man who actually shot LHO. No, it was not Jack Ruby. Have a look at all of the photographs and the videos of the incident. The fedora hat, the dark suit with the sunglasses in the breast pocket, but most noticeably the grip on the revolver, with the 'Index' finger running along the length of the barrel, which is a MI6 instructed method of pointing and shooting a victim. Again, this particular person is seen holding LHO outside the Texas Theatre after LHO had been arrested there after the Kennedy assassination. This member is noticeable due to the cigar he has in his mouth. Again reference the Warren report in regard to the cigar at the shooting of LHO.

If you believe the story that it was Jack Ruby who was the shooter, again pay attention to the clothing worn by the gunman, the fedora hat, and the dark suit. Then observe the photographs of Jack Ruby being 'escorted' down the corridor by Officer Harrison who had to sign the fingerprint form of Ruby. Jack Ruby is not wearing any headgear, his shirt has been torn almost off his torso, and his tie is also pulled half off his neck, but none of this was seen during the arrest of the gunman, and of course, the suit the gunman wore is not the attire of Jack Ruby who is only wearing the shirt and light trousers, and believe me, Jack did not do a quick change of clothes after being arrested.

There is one other little detail that demonstrates the involvement of the media even back then. When reporting of the shooting of LHO the talking head then mentions that the ambulance has arrived to take LHO to the hospital, except for the fact that that ambulance was in fact a hearse, for carrying a dead body, and the talking head didn't bat an eyelid, he just followed his script. Not even when one of the Murder Squad detectives had to climb in the back of the O'Neal Hearse.
Then there were all the various witnesses who started dying, not so much of the Kennedy assassination, but more of the witnesses to the shooting of Officer JD Tippit, and you have to wonder why

And finally on the internet there is a Russian video pointing out that the gunman was never Jack Ruby; the fedora, the wig, and other differences between the gunman and Jack Ruby. The Russians have always known, and they also knew who the team was, that SAS team requested by Bill Harvey back in 1961 and stationed at Fort Bragge. And that also is how MI6 knew first-hand of the assassination of John Kennedy, it was their team seconded to the CIA

Posted by: Andrew S MacGregor | May 5 2022 2:39 utc | 276

“The goal of such lies is to accuse the Jews themselves of the most awful crimes in history, which were perpetrated against them, and thereby absolve Israel’s enemies of responsibility.”

See what he did there? As usual, those sneaky bastards try to conflate alleged anti-Semites with "Israel's enemies" thereby casting anyone who criticizes the Zionist project in the Levant as an evil anti-Semite.

Nothing new at all. The only thing that gets under my skin is how effective a tactic it has proven to be in the US and UK (and I'm sure Germany and France as well, but I know next to nothing about domestic politics in either country).

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 5 2022 2:43 utc | 277

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 4 2022 15:39 utc | 98

Serious question. Are you capable of writing about *anything* without invoking Marxism?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 5 2022 2:44 utc | 278

From Rybar's Telegram channel... Rybar is not happy about the way the MoD reports things...so here is a bit of snark...

We may not understand something in the information policy of the Russian Ministry of Defense (in fact, a lot), but it seems to us that for a superpower that has the second most powerful army in the world and is waging the largest war in several decades, it is somehow frivolous through the lips of the whole Major General, solemnly and on a piece of paper report (https://t.me/rybar/32171) about the destruction of another Ukrainian Grad and 2 (two) missiles from the Smerch MLRS.

Especially at a time when everyone is waiting for news about the destruction of bridges across the Dnieper. And many other bridges. So the daily briefings will soon proudly announce:

- units of the RF Armed Forces fired 2745 rounds of ammunition from machine guns.
- the rear wheel of the UAZ of the company commander of the 93rd brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was damaged.
- The field bath, where the nationalists used to bathe, was partially destroyed.
- the belt of the personal small arms of the fighter of the Azov regiment was broken, now he carries it in his hands.
- the outfit for the company of a separate rifle regiment in the Kharkov direction changed exactly on time, had no comments during the time of duty.
- during the PCD at the location of the Marine Corps of the Russian Federation, the door of the utility kung was washed and painted.

So we see.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 5 2022 2:49 utc | 279

spycatcher sold a lot of books on a lot of bullshit. Angleton was a paranoid schizophrenic. the CIA smears US presidents, as it has done since Jimmy Carter. See Trump. it assassinates or contracts the assassination of foreign leaders, like Dag Hammarskjold, like Patrice Lumumba, both assassinated in 61 odd that "spycatcher" didn't catch those. . the truth is Kennedy is very much in the mold, Ivy league, fanatically anti the USSR while pushing lies about nuclear inferiority, helping his brother and Joe McCarthy hunt "commies" in america, trading on his reputation as a war hero like John Kerry, pushing the world to the brink of war to boost domestic popularity, the fact he is mythologised as an opponent of the empire is a laughable as Obama's Nobel Peace Prize, or Henry Kissingers. spycather's books is as convincing as that Navy Seal who claimed to have assassinated Osama Bin Ladin.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 5 2022 2:56 utc | 280

JFK, venerated by his political heirs like Clinton, Obama and Biden, the British poodle Tony Blair, indeed neolibs everywhere. Clinton tried to emulate him in sexual harassment, but nobody outdid the Kennedys in that regard. yeah buddy, he was gonna stop the empire, with his mafia buddies, his pack of Hollywood stars, his gangster right wing daddy with prohibition fortune, yeah he was a regular "leftist" just like Joe Biden and John Kerry and all the rest of the democratic wing of the war party.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 5 2022 3:02 utc | 281

@162 Mark R.

That is a very good ovservation and a very prescient one.

However, I believe it will remain unresolved going forward. If we do make it out of the shadow of nuclear war, a great economic reorganization is likely to occur.

In that time, much of what has been simmering under the surface will finally boil over and the amount of mental anguish, denial, and despair will be overwhelming for many, many people.

There will be great numbers of suicide and, even more, a great number of people will be put to their death as traitors.

For now, let us just pray an end to this and that Russia pushes them all into the sea. It is an interesting time indeed to be alive.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 5 2022 3:05 utc | 282

Posted by: Andrew S MacGregor | May 4 2022 21:58 utc | 230

the Bay of Pigs was pushed by Kennedy, as was Operation Mongoose, the CIA campaign to assassinate Castro.
The Cuban Project, also known as Operation Mongoose, was an extensive campaign of terrorist attacks against civilians, and covert operations, carried out by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency in Cuba.[10] It was officially authorized on November 30, 1961 by American President John F. Kennedy. The name Operation Mongoose had been agreed at a prior White House meeting on November 4, 1961. The operation was run out of JM/WAVE, a major secret United States covert operations and intelligence gathering station established a year earlier in Miami, Florida,[11][12] and led by United States Air Force General Edward Lansdale on the military side and William King Harvey at the CIA and went into effect after the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion.

"Operation Mongoose was a secret program against Cuba aimed at removing the Communists from power, which was a prime focus of the Kennedy administration.[4] A document from the United States Department of State confirms that the project aimed to "help Cuba overthrow the Communist regime," including its leader Fidel Castro, and it aimed "for a revolt which can take place in Cuba by October 1962". US policymakers also wanted to see "a new government with which the United States can live in peace".[13]"

the Kennedy administration rose to power in a corrupt election and on the backs of lies about USSR nuclear superiority, JFK did not remove the missiles in Turkey which provoked the Cuban Missile Crisis (think Ukrainian biolabs on the Russia border) and when the resulting brush with nuclear was was averted he was still pushing the CIA to kill Castro. His major beef with the Intel agencies was his bitter relationship with J Edgar Hoover who had turned the FBI into a rival power in Washington. this revisionist history is very agreeable to americans who like to pretend their presidents are great leaders.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 5 2022 3:16 utc | 283

From Badra Kumar's twitter feed

Why did Macron call Putin on Tuesday? According to grapevine, a Canadian general who tried to sneak out of Azovstal in Mariupol posing as ‘refugee’ was nabbed Monday by Russian forces & taken to Moscow.This guy was apparently leading an 18-member staff team & heading one of the super secret labs in Ukraine to reduce biological weapons. Probably, Russians plan to put him on trial. Russia has alleged a nexus between Canada and Ukrainian neo-Nazis Macron has reason to be worried because 400-odd foreign volunteers trapped in the underground labyrinth at Azovstal & surrounded by Russian forces also include French military personnel. Now, what if Russians flush them out before French parliamentary elections in June?

Posted by: calgary GUy | May 5 2022 3:23 utc | 284

Latest briefinhg from Russian MoD Telegram channel... Another slow day...

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces during the day destroyed: 4 artillery batteries at firing positions, 3 ammunition depots near Mirnaya Dolina, Bakhmutskaya and Tashkovka, 20 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, and 1 US-made counter-battery radar station near Popasnaya.

Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Force have hit 77 areas of concentration of manpower and military equipment.

The attacks have resulted in the elimination of up to 310 nationalists, as well as 36 units of weapons and military equipment.

Missile troops and artillery have hit 1 Ukrainian battery of BM-21 Grad multiple rocket launchers at firing positions, as well as 83 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration.

Russian air defence means have shot down 6 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles during the day near Avdeevka, Severodonetsk and Veselaya Gora in the Lugansk People's Republic, as well as over Zmeinyi Island.

In addition, 2 Smerch multiple-launch rockets have been shot down in the air near Shpakovka, Kharkov Region.

In total, 146 aircraft and 112 helicopters, 712 unmanned aerial vehicles, 287 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,817 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 323 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,292 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,624 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 5 2022 3:26 utc | 285

Ukistan is running out of targets for Russia to hit.

Posted by: Nook | May 5 2022 3:29 utc | 286

Scott Horton interview with Colonel Douglas Macgregor... Only problem I have is he believes the usual "partition Ukraine" plan...for which there is zero evidence.

Ep. 5703 - Douglas Macgregor on New Russia and “Hatred in the Plural” - 5/2/22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hFaPNvhbUk

Scott interviews Retired Colonel Douglas Macgregor about the war in Ukraine. Scott recently interviewed William Arkin who believes the Russians are actually losing this war. Macgregor has a very different take, and Scott gives him the opportunity to address Arkin’s argument. Macgregor shares his view of how the war has unfolded so far and how he expects it to evolve. He believes the Russians will pivot and attempt to occupy Eastern and Southern Ukraine. He thinks a battle for Odessa is looming and that the Russians will succeed in this endeavor. Scott then asks about reports about the Biden Administration’s new overt intentions to fund another color revolution in Belarus. Macgregor gives his take on how it may happen and then predicts that the Kremlin will respond with similar attempts in Latin America. Lastly, Scott and Macgregor talk about some of the institutional barriers facing those who want to change the foreign policy status quo in Washington.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 5 2022 3:29 utc | 287

I’ve got 2 dogs and 4 cats. Despite the age old belief
that the two species can’t coexist, They get along fine,
and all of them know who fills their food bowls.

Posted by: Cadence Calls | May 5 2022 3:34 utc | 288

@256 obamavrus

Sure, share your opinions, that is what I am here for, a nice variety of thought. The fact is, however, that the Democratic party has nothing to do with Marxism, it is Fascist and right-wing, diametrically opposed to Marxism and Leftist philosophy. No one president did more to destroy the Left then Obama, in second place comes The Clinton's.

Cultural Marxism is an imaginary term trying to describe something that doesn't exist. Cultural Marxism has nothing to do with actual Marxism.

As a Marxist. I find this funny and occasionally frustrating. Arguing with right wingers about Marxism. Communism or Socialism when you guys clearly don't know what any of them are. Not political scientists? Duh.

From my vantage point, you serve the same corporate overlords as the DNC clan, you are just mad your not getting the same cut of the profits you used to, and are being thrown to the curb with the rest of us.

Time to join the real leftist, the working class will only be further enslaved unless we unite.

Posted by: Haassaan | May 5 2022 3:42 utc | 289

Hi Ho Hi Ho it's off to work we go.

Signed, DC

Posted by: UselessTweetBleater | May 5 2022 3:45 utc | 290

The collaboration of the Zionist apartheid leadership with Nazis is that they have more in common than one could ever imagine. Both ideologies share a sense of racial/ethnic superiority over the "less worthy members of humanity" and practice outright discrimination as well as brutal repression of targeted groups. An analogy can be made between the manner in which the Nazis of WW II oversaw the Ghettos of Warsaw in the brutal repression of Jews and draw stark similarities to the manner in which the apartheid state of Israel conducts brutal inhumane repression against the Palestinians of Gaza. These 2 groups have no reservations about forming an alliance of convenience in their quest to achieve world dominance since both parties subscribe to the Machiavellian notion that the end justifies the means.

Posted by: Enriquillo Bribiesca | May 5 2022 3:48 utc | 291


If I went back in time for a minute with one bullet for a moment with Hitler and Stalin in front of me in 1930’s what should I do in that 60 seconds?
Posted by: DunGroanin | May 4 2022 23:57 utc | 253

Spend the last 59 seconds reminiscing with Stalin about what a bastard Hitler was.

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 5 2022 3:50 utc | 292

Oh sorry. I meant to post that comment in the open thread (not Ukraine)

Posted by: UselessTweetBleater | May 5 2022 3:51 utc | 293

That video from Telegram show the Azovstal plant getting blown up is now on Simplicious76 Web site...

Things Go Boom On Azovstal Factory - Azov's Final Days
https://www.bitchute.com/video/QQkaTemKYm2e/

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 5 2022 3:51 utc | 294


Yes, it seeks fiends willing ...
Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2022 23:56 utc | 252

Karl, would you like to buy an 'r'?

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 5 2022 4:02 utc | 295

Posted by: Andrew S MacGregor | May 5 2022 2:39 utc | 273

Posted by: Lysias | May 4 2022 21:25 utc | 220

I owe you both a big apology.

My Australian edition of 'Spy Catcher' stops at the end of your quoted paragraph ONE, "...,even if this meant fighting their way out of trouble"
p161

The crucial next SIX paragraphs have been censored. Not surprising when we consider the truism, "never believe anything until it has been officially denied" or in this case expunged from the book.
This speaks volumes.

I am now in no doubt JFK and LHO were both murdered by a CIA/SAS hit team.

Posted by: Paul | May 5 2022 4:10 utc | 296

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 5 2022 3:50 utc | 289


If I went back in time for a minute with one bullet for a moment with Hitler and Stalin in front of me in 1930’s what should I do in that 60 seconds?
Posted by: DunGroanin | May 4 2022 23:57 utc | 253

Discuss family trees with Hitler ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 5 2022 4:21 utc | 297

Coming from Southern New England, U.S., I grew up as a Congregationalist with lots of Catholics, Protestants, Jews, and others. Most Protestants have very few daily rituals, and are not overawed with preachers. (Maybe the Seventh Day Adventists are a bit different.) Many Catholics have a fair amount of rituals, and seem to be more severely influenced by the priests.There are many kinds of Jews indeed, but many are seriously loaded up with daily rituals, and very observant of the opinions of their rabbis. It's very complicated.

When I was younger I tried to talk many young Jews out of running off to some kibbutz in Israel. I intuited that it would be a very bad move (I looked at maps a lot). I think we almost need to forget about words like 'Zionism', and even 'democracy'; I don't think they mean much anymore. So-called 'political scientists' (political snake-oil scientists) have ensured that these terms, as well as 'liberal', 'conservative', etc. mean virtually nothing. But I think I can actually define fascism. Society breaks down as follows:

ruling classes

intermediate classes

low classes

destitute classes

.... and that is it.

Fascism is no more or less than when the more powerful of these groups regards the less powerful as sub-human.That is what it truly is. The U.S. was fascist when the first Native American was murdered, and has been ever since. Fascism is the rule, not the exception, no matter how excellent the public relations may happen to be.

By the way, I am discovering a new 'visional pathway', which, like Taoism, is probably syncretic (compatible) with most religions.It will begin as a journey in my own blog. Maybe I will see you there.

Posted by: blues | May 5 2022 4:28 utc | 298

Earlier it had been theorised that the reason Russia had not conducted decapitating strikes on the Ukrainian leadership early on was in order to ensure a single point of negotiation and surrender when the conflict is concluded.

However, now it appears (to me at least) that Zelensky and his close "power circle" have outlived any usefulness to the Russians as a compliant successor regime'.

It's clear that Zelensky, either now, or at the final conclusion of the war, will have no power to serve as a compliant party in negotiating terms of surrender.

I predict we'll shortly (1 - 2 months?) start seeing attempts by Russia to directly attack the Ukrainian top level leadership.

If the current crop of leadership is of no value to Russia, the best hope for a compliant negotiating party would be to bring about a totally fresh generation of leaders ... That means wiping out all the current leadership.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 5 2022 4:30 utc | 299

It's odd that almost everyone here assumes the Holocaust is historical fact. I can see why Germany has the laws it does ("and truth is no defense") and I can understand why Putin and friends need their version of WW2 to sustain Russian national identity, but for ordinary people here to keep up with an obvious lie...It's surprising and disappointing. In any case here is a major website that deals with the scholarship:
https://codoh.com/
and here is the website of German truth hero Germar Rudolf:
https://germarrudolf.com/en

Posted by: sarz | May 5 2022 4:35 utc | 300

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