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May 04, 2022

On Lavrov's Spat With Israel - Who Is Right?

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is in a spat with Israel over its support for Nazis militia in the Ukraine.

The immediate cause is a passage in an interview Lavrov had with the Italian TV network Mediaset:

Question: This is how you see it, while Vladimir Zelensky puts it differently. He believes denazification doesn’t make any sense. He is a Jew. The Nazis, Azov – there are very few of them (several thousand). Vladimir Zelensky refutes your view of the situation. Do you believe Vladimir Zelensky is an obstacle to peace?

Sergey Lavrov: It makes no difference to me what President Vladimir Zelensky refutes or does not refute. He is as fickle as the wind, as they say. He can change his position several times a day.

I heard him say that they would not even discuss demilitarisation and denazification during peace talks. First, they are torpedoing the talks just as they did the Minsk agreements for eight years. Second, there is nazification there: the captured militants as well as members of the Azov and Aidar battalions and other units wear swastikas or symbols of Nazi Waffen-SS battalions on their clothes or have them tattooed on their bodies; they openly read and promote Mein Kampf. His argument is: How can there be Nazism in Ukraine if he is a Jew? I may be mistaken but Adolf Hitler had Jewish blood, too. This means absolutely nothing. The wise Jewish people say that the most ardent anti-Semites are usually Jews. “Every family has its black sheep,” as we say.

The Zionist entity in Palestine reacted with harsh words:

The Israeli prime minister, Naftali Bennett, condemned on Monday a recent claim by the Russian foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, that Jews were “the biggest antisemites.”

The Israeli Foreign Ministry also summoned the Russian ambassador to Israel to explain Mr. Lavrov’s remarks, while the Israeli foreign minister, Yair Lapid, demanded an apology.
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Mr. Bennett said that he viewed Mr. Lavrov’s remarks with the “utmost severity,” saying that the comments were “untrue and their intentions are wrong.”

Mr. Bennett added, “The goal of such lies is to accuse the Jews themselves of the most awful crimes in history, which were perpetrated against them, and thereby absolve Israel’s enemies of responsibility.”

Separately, Mr. Lapid said that Mr. Lavrov’s comments were “both an unforgivable and outrageous statement as well as a terrible historical error.”

“Jews did not murder themselves in the Holocaust,” he added. “The lowest level of racism against Jews is to accuse Jews themselves of antisemitism.”

Mr. Lapid has a big mouth that hides the whitewashing of Jewish Nazi collaborators in which his own family was involved.

But first let us tackle the question of Adolf Hitler's ancestry. The History channel has a piece on it:

In the decades since Adolf Hitler’s death, the Nazi leader’s ancestry has been a subject of rampant speculation and intense controversy. Some have suggested that his father, Alois, born to an unwed woman named Maria Schickelgruber, was the illegitimate child of Leopold Frankenberger, a young Jewish man whose family employed her as a maid. (She subsequently married Johann Georg Hiedler–later spelled “Hitler”–whose surname her son adopted.)

In 2019 the Jerusalem Post reported of new research on the issue:

[A] study by psychologist and physician Leonard Sax has shed new light supporting the claim that Hitler’s father’s father had Jewish roots.

The study, titled “Aus den Gemeinden von Burgenland: Revisiting the question of Adolf Hitler’s paternal grandfather,” which was published in the current issue of the Journal of European Studies, examines claims by Hitler’s lawyer Hans Frank, who allegedly discovered the truth.

Hitler asked Frank to look into the claim in 1930, after his nephew William Patrick Hitler threatened to expose that the leader’s grandfather was Jewish.

In his 1946 memoir, which was published seven years after he was executed during the Nuremberg trials, “Frank claimed to have uncovered evidence in 1930 that Hitler’s paternal grandfather was a Jewish man living in Graz, Austria, in the household where Hitler’s grandmother was employed,” and it was in 1836 that Hitler’s grandmother Maria Anna Schicklgruber became pregnant, Sax explained.
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Sax writes in the study that according to the letters in Frank’s memoir, “Frankenberger Sr. sent money for the support of the child from infancy until its 14th birthday.”

“The motivation for the payment, according to Frank, was not charity but primarily a concern about the authorities becoming involved: ‘The Jew paid without a court order, because he was concerned about the result of a court hearing and the connected publicity,’” the letters state.

It seems to me that Lavrov has that one right. It really seems that Adolf Hitler had some Jewish ancestors who even paid for the upbringing of his father.

Now onto the other issue, Lavrov's claim that:

.. the most ardent anti-Semites are usually Jews. “Every family has its black sheep,” as we say.

Yair Lapid does not agree with that. Well, his father didn't either until, to his embarrassment, some new facts proved him wrong. There is for example the well known case of Rudolf Kasztner in which Lapid's father was involved.

As the Times of Israel reported in 2016:

[The British Jewish historian Paul] Bogdanor was “extremely shocked” to find that everything pointed towards Kasztner’s having been “a collaborator” with the Nazis, and a “betrayer of the Zionist movement and the Jewish people.”

Bogdanor’s new book, “Kasztner’s Crime,” published in October, sets out the case against the Jewish leader in damning detail. Even the most devoted defender might have second thoughts after reading his book.
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Kasztner was a leader of a small Zionist grouping in Budapest towards the end of World War II. He led a Jewish rescue committee which, before the Nazis entered Hungary, did succeed in saving the lives of a number of Jews. But once the Nazis arrived, Kasztner, an ambitious lawyer, became embroiled in prolonged negotiations with the Nazi leadership, particularly Adolf Eichmann.

After complex dealings with Eichmann, Kasztner succeeded in getting the Nazis to agree to the deportation of a group of 1,684 Hungarian Jews, the so-called “Kasztner Train,” who eventually ended up in freedom in Switzerland.

But thousands more continued on the doomed path to Auschwitz. Bogdanor says that not only did Kasztner know they were being sent to their deaths, but that he actively kept such information secret from other Jews in Hungary and the wider Jewish world.

Kasztner deliberately put selected strong Zionists who wanted to emigrate to Palestine on his list. Those Hungarian Jews who did not want to emigrate were deceived by him to believe that the Nazis were no danger to them. Kazstner himself later found a role in the Zionist establishment:

Kasztner himself did not get on the train, but survived the war and made his way to Palestine. By 1952 he was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and a would-be member of Knesset, though he did not succeed in obtaining a place high enough on the Mapai list to become elected.

Nevertheless, when, in 1953, an embittered Hungarian Jew named Malkiel Gruenwald distributed a pamphlet about Kasztner, naming him as a Nazi collaborator, the Israeli government thought highly enough of him to bring a libel suit on his behalf, accusing Gruenwald of defamation.

During the trial, dozens of witnesses testified about Kasztner’s actions during the war. The case lasted 18 months and did not end well for him. The presiding judge ruled that Kasztner had indeed collaborated, and in words which echo down the years, said he had “sold his soul to the devil.”

The Israeli government of the day fell and Kasztner and his family became virtual prisoners in their home. He resigned from his post, his wife sank into depression and his daughter spoke, years later, of having been ostracized and mocked by other children at school.

On March 3, 1957, right-wing extremists shot Kasztner dead. The following year, too late for him, the court verdict was reversed, suggesting that much of what was claimed against him was not correct. Leading the campaign in ensuing years to rehabilitate Kasztner was journalist and political Tommy Lapid, himself a Hungarian Jew and father of Yair Lapid, the leader of today’s Yesh Atid party.

The father of the current Foreign Minister of Israel Yair Lapid tried to rehabilitate Kasztner. But the British historian found that Kasztner was indeed guilty:

“Kasztner didn’t start out as someone evil,” says Bogdanor. “He started out as someone who wanted to rescue Jews, and before March 1944, he did rescue Jews. But when the Nazis occupied Hungary, he began negotiating with them and, very quickly, I argue, he became a collaborator.”
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The central charge made against Kasztner by the surviving Hungarian Jews was, says Bogdanor, “not just that he failed to warn them [of the Nazis’ intention]. It was that Kasztner had instructed local Jewish leadership to mislead them, and to deceive them into boarding the trains to Auschwitz. After Kasztner had visited the local communities, the leadership spread false information — which he had given them — that the Jews were going to be resettled inside Hungary. Agranat and the other judges overlooked this matter of deception.”

Bogdanor admits to being profoundly shocked by the depth and extent of what he found out about Kasztner. It would have been bad enough, he argues, if Kasztner had passively collaborated with the Nazis. But he actively collaborated, he says, taking steps to mislead both Jews inside Hungary and his Jewish contacts in the outside world.

Yair Lapid, just like his father, is wrong. There were quite a number of Jewish collaborators and some were even officers in Hitlers Wehrmacht.

The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs responded to Yair Lapid's false accusations:

Michael Elgort 🇺🇦✡️ @just_whatever - 9:18 UTC · May 3, 2022
Today Russian @mfa_Russia has officially replied on its telegram channel to @yairlapid statement that you see below and this reply deserves to be translated and posted in full. A long thread with full translation below, link to the source in the end

The complete translation of the Foreign Ministry statement is here. It says (format edited for readability):

We paid attention to the anti-historical statements of Israeli Foreign Minister Yair Lapid, which largely explain the course of the current Israeli government to support the neo-Nazi regime in Kyiv. The Israeli minister said literally the following: “The Jews did not destroy themselves during the Holocaust. Blaming Jews for antisemitism is a blatant level of racism against Jews”.
For some reason, the Western press (and some of our liberals) still argue about whether there are neo-Nazis in Ukraine. The Jewish origin of Vladimir @ZelenskyyUa is given, as one of the "reinforced concrete" arguments. The argument is not only untenable, but also crafty. History, unfortunately, knows tragic examples of cooperation between Jews and the Nazis. In Poland and other countries of Eastern Europe, the Germans appointed Jewish industrialists as heads of ghettos and Jewish councils (“Judenrats”), some of whom are remembered for absolutely monstrous deeds.

Jakub Leikin in Warsaw conducted surveillance of the Jews and reported everything to the German occupation administration, dooming his compatriots to certain, and sometimes painful death, and Chaim Rumkowski generally offered the Jews of Lodz to give their children to the Nazis in exchange for saving the lives of adult residents of the ghetto, there are many evidence of his words. It only remains to agree with H. Dreyfus a professor of history at Tel Aviv University, that the complicity of Jews in the Holocaust is a “marginal phenomenon” (but not a taboo and is the subject of research). ...

The Foreign Ministry then points to Israeli government sources which documented a big increase of antisemitism in Ukraine since the 2014 Maidan coup:

Since the coup in 2014, antisemitism has flourished in Ukraine. The report of the Minister for Relations with the Diaspora of Israel, @naftalibennett (PM now), indicates that in 2017 the number of antisemitic incidents including dozens of acts of vandalism in museums, synagogues and memorials, increased manifold in Ukraine.

Ukraine has become the leader among all the countries of the former USSR in terms of the number of antisemitic incidents, and some publications indicate that Ukraine generally surpasses all the countries of the former USSR combined in their number. One of the prominent representatives of the Jewish movement in Ukraine, Eduard Dolinsky, recently feared the termination of the activities of his organization (“Ukrainian Jewish Committee”).

There is a certain tradition of collaboration between Zionists and antisemitic people. Event the founder of the Zionist movement to establish a 'Jewish state', Theodor Herzl, was guilty of it:

[A]s the Austro-Hungarian writer Theodor Herzl was about to publish his manifesto The Jewish State in February 1896, he faced intense pressure from Vienna’s Jewish community to halt publication. Herzl rejected the pleas, published the book, and launched a movement that ultimately led to the establishment of modern Israel. Around the same time, the residents of Vienna elected an anti-Semitic mayor. To the relief of Vienna’s Jews, the emperor refused to approve Karl Lueger, but Herzl lobbied the prime minister to accept the people’s choice, arguing that boycotting the populist leader would only increase hatred of Jews.

Herzl had hoped that the installment of an anti-semitic mayor would push more Jews in Vienna towards supporting his idea of a 'Jewish state'.

Israel's arming of fascist militia in Ukraine may well have a similar motive:

Israel is keen on bringing in Ukrainian Jewish refugees for the purpose of maintaining Jewish demographic “supremacy” over the Palestinian population, academics and analysts say.

Since the outbreak of the war with Russia on February 24, the Israeli government has called on Ukrainian Jewish refugees to immigrate to Israel and removed bureaucratic hurdles to secure their arrival as quickly as possible.

“We call on the Jews of Ukraine to immigrate to Israel – your home,” Israel’s Ministry of Immigration and Absorption said in a statement on February 26.

Does that also explain why Igor Kolomoiski, the Ukrainian Jewish oligarch who lives in Israel, has financed the Azov battalion and other fascist militia in Ukraine?

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Among the weapons that the US is sending into Ukraine is the new Phoenix Ghost Drone of which 121 are to be given to the Ukrainian forces.

"Defense analysts say it appears the Phoenix Ghost will loiter in the sky, quietly looking for targets. Once it finds one, the drone goes into a dive and rams the object, setting off its explosive warhead. Analysts speculate that it is a comparatively small weapon that could be hard to see against the cloud cover that shrouds much of Ukraine in late April and in May."


https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-war-machine-increase-lethal-military-aid-sending-suicide-drones-ukraine/5779360

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 4 2022 15:44 utc | 101

JEWISH BLOOD? Is that Jordon and Canaan DNA or Khazar DNA. Is being Jewish a race or a religion? Posted by: GEORGE M CHAMBERLAIN | May 4 2022 12:41 utc | 40

That is it in a nutshell, there is no such thing as Jewish blood or DNA. There are also many flavors of Judaism, some extremely Conservative, some extremely Liberal. Zionism is not only Jewish, just ask Steve "I'm a Christian Zionist" Bannon.

It is an ethno-cultural club with ancient religious overtones where "membership has its privileges".

It was dumb of Lavrov to go there, he has been on an extended media tour and perhaps he was just tired.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | May 4 2022 15:47 utc | 102

More than a decade ago a journalist of a 100% politically correct weekly Belgian magazine managed to discover Adolf Hitler’s Y chromosome. He could do so thanks to the DNA of the Führer’s last living relatives that he was able to find on cigarette stubs and a paper towel, gathered in Austria and the USA. It appears that Hitler belonged to haplo group E1b1b, which is rare in Germany but seems to be the second most frequent group among Ashkenazi Jews.
See: Jean-Paul Mulders, DNA-onderzoek onthult genetische afstamming van de Führer. + De zoon van Hitler? De mythe doorgeprikt. In: Knack 18 August 2010. See: www.knack.be.

Posted by: Herman | May 4 2022 15:49 utc | 103

Obviously Lavrov is right..but truth hurts in the hearts of the guilty .Lavrov not only tells the TRUTH but at the same time he also implies that zionists and national socialism have always gotten along. Despite the fact that in western schools they teach us the opposite, what Lavrov said is pure and shining truth.The zionist has always looked with admiration to German nationalism since its begginning(obviously they understood that the greater the "anti-semitism" in Europe and the earlier the land stolen from the Palestinians was filled) ) and in fact all of this has been re-proposed in Occupied Palestine."The anti-semites will become our most dependable friends"cit.Theodor Hertzl.

Posted by: LuBa | May 4 2022 15:49 utc | 104

There's a huge hit (kill) list composed by Ukrainian intelligence.

"Prime Minister Viktor Orban but also Croatian President Zoran Milanovic and a Nobel Prize winner have been listed on Myrotvorets, the Ukrainian intelligence database which acts as a hit list.


"The list contains some 187 000 names, including Pink Floyd member Roger Waters, who three years ago said Russia had more rights to Crimea than Ukraine did.

Even Kremlin critic, the Nobel Prize winner Svetlana Alexievich is on the list for mentioning that some ethnic Ukrainians had helped Nazis in the persecution of Jews during World War II.

Some 4 500 Western, Ukrainian, and Russian journalists accredited by the authorities of Donbass, a mandatory requirement for working in the area, later received death threats. FWM contributor, Manuel Ochsenreiter, who passed away last year, was one of them."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 4 2022 15:50 utc | 105

Posted by: Tom_12 | May 4 2022 15:20 utc | 92

"This is the key of everything that has happened since in the behind the scenes after 1945 and until 1995, and that should be the subject of a future work."

Whilst discussing this article with a house guest this morning (who runs the little-known website sitrepworld.info) it occurred to me that a long article or book is sorely needed discussing the many and varied ramifications of the main Big Lie narratives that dominate the politico-social landscape in the West. How they contribute to the breakdown in the social order, perception of history and sense of national or racial pride or shame, education policies, foreign policy, domestic political processes and so forth. The ramification are truly widespread permeating so many aspects. And yet because of the firewall effect of one of the core narratives born out of atrocity propaganda decades ago it has become virtually taboo to analyze such matters in any sort of depth. Maybe MacDonald could tackle it.

That said, in so doing, a complete treatment would delve into the internal weaknesses of the western civilization which has allowed so much deception and corruption to flourish to the point that Putin's Empire of Lies moniker is so on point. It's all a little like the immune system: a healthy one easily and quickly repels harmful pathogens but a weak one allows them to grow and fester to the point that they are extremely difficult to overcome and indeed often cause terminal illness. The enemy in such cases is not the pathogen rather the weakened condition that allows it to prosper. So in the West it is the absence of internal integrity and vitality that has allowed things to get into such an advanced state of chronic societal and political illness.

Before prognosis we need accurate diagnosis, something which has been sorely lacking for decades if not centuries. Clearly civilizational momentum is now with the Eurasian zones. Clearly it is time for the West to get off its high horse and put its own house in order. But nations, and especially civilizations, are far more than balance sheets and specific issues like abortion and election laws; there is a spiritual, moral, cultural essence that has to be felt and nurtured throughout any given society, some sort of core that defines and informs the entire body politic. The West has lost that core and no amount of military or other bombardment of others is going to help restore it.

Russia had to start over in 1990 and seems to have built a new nation both rooted in its core history and character whilst also integrating various aspects of modern democratic procedures, international institutions and financial norms despite constant obstruction and sabotage by the West. They are no longer the Soviet Union but something quite different and yet more true to themselves and their long history.

The West is overdue for a similar process but it looks like they are going to have to get beaten down a little bit before they are ready to undertake this with any degree of sincerity.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 4 2022 15:53 utc | 106

@GEORGE M CHAMBERLAIN

Jewsih is an ideology. It is neither a race or a religion

Posted by: Bluedog57 | May 4 2022 15:55 utc | 107

The SBU hunts down Ukrainians who have spoken out or have communicated in some way with Russian forces.


"Nearly 400 people in the Kharkiv region alone have been detained under anti-collaboration laws enacted quickly by Ukraine's parliament and signed by President Volodymyr Zelenskyy."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR_E8dvyaOI&t=194s


Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 4 2022 16:02 utc | 108

Paul Greenwood@88
You obviously know better.
Do you feel pressure to post these simplistic re-hashes of German and American anticommunist propaganda?

What you say about Marx who like it or not was a massive intellectual influence and a dedicated scholar and man of principle is, as you must know, a silly judgement.

As to Lenin, if you read the records of the many committees on which he sat, after the Revolution, it will be clear that he was not only a democrat in practice but often reduced to a minority position by his colleagues. That the Revolution gave rise to a dictatorship is something more attributable to Lloyd George or Wilson- and the twenty one armies besieging the soviets- than to any choice of Lenin's.

Not to recognise the agency of the imperialist powers in shaping the history of the Soviet Union is an idealist failure to understand history.
As an obscure German Romantic once remarked in an early work on French politics "Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past...."

This incidentally contains several untruths of the malicious variety:
"...Lenin did little more than opportunistically accept an offer and funding from Ludendorff, then dictator of Germany, to travel in a sealed train and overthrow the Kerensky Government because it pledged to continue the war..."

And this is a weird mish-mash of misrepresentations too. Are you mistaking Lenin for Trotsky?
"Lenin had to swallow Brest-Litovsk which created this Ukraine mess when General Hoffmann created a Ukrainian State in 1918 and was afraid to let Moscow know of the treaty..."
The Bolsheviks swallowed Brest Litovsk because they knew it could not last, nor could any agreement, whether favourable or not, made in the circumstances.

Posted by: bevin | May 4 2022 16:05 utc | 109

Posted by: Manage without me | May 4 2022 13:48 utc | 63


any colonies prior to 1870 and the child would have had to be brought to Germany to continue the line? ridiculous. I think you've been watching Roots

Why does a state have to possess colonies before it can possess slaves?

I thought the French were lily white until I found Alexandre Dumas and other French, and European elites with black ancestry like him:

https://www.cambridgescholars.com/product/978-1-4438-2997-7



Alexandre Dumas, author of The Three Musketeers, The Count of Monte Cristo, and The Man in the Iron Mask, is the most famous French writer of the nineteenth century. In 2002, his remains were transferred to the Panthéon, a mausoleum reserved for the greatest French citizens, amidst much national hype during his bicentennial. Contemporary France, struggling with the legacies of colonialism and growing diversity, has transformed Dumas, grandson of a slave from St. Domingue (now Haiti), into a symbol of the colonies and the larger francophone world in an attempt to integrate its immigrants and migrants from its former Caribbean, African, and Asian colonies to improve race relations and to promote French globality. Such a reconception of Dumas has made him a major figure in debates on French identity and colonial history.

Grandson of a slave.

His son in turn, looks far more European:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandre_Dumas_fils

And I presume that by now there are French (European?) descendants of Dumas who appear to have no African descent.

More remarkable was Alexandre Dumas' father:


Thomas-Alexandre Dumas Davy de la Pailleterie (French: [tɔmɑ alɛksɑ̃dʁ dymɑ davi də la pajət(ə)ʁi]; known as Alexandre Dumas; 25 March 1762 – 26 February 1806) was a Saint Dominican Creole general in Revolutionary France. Along with Toussaint Louverture in Saint-Domingue and Abram Petrovich Gannibal in Imperial Russia, Thomas-Alexandre Dumas is notable as a man of African descent (in Dumas's case, through his mother) leading European troops as a general officer. [1] He was the first person of color in the French military to become brigadier general, divisional general, and general-in-chief of a French army.[2]

Born in Saint-Domingue, Thomas-Alexandre was the son of Marquis Alexandre Antoine Davy de la Pailleterie, a French nobleman and Marie-Cessette Dumas, a slave of African descent. He was born into slavery because of his mother's status, but his father took him to France in 1776 and had him educated. Slavery had been illegal in metropolitan France since 1315 and thus any slave would be freed de facto by being in France.[3] His father helped him enter the French military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas-Alexandre_Dumas

Interesting ... A black general who led European revolutionary troops.

Now the question arises: Do we find this same pattern in other parts of Europe at around the same time?

Well, let's look at the lilly-whitest of lilly whites, perhaps ... the Russians?


There was never an observable number of people of African descent in Russia, even after Western European colonization of the continent. For centuries Russia was too isolated to interact with Africa. Russia's non-involvement in the colonization of Africa or the Atlantic slave trade prevented it from developing significant relationships with African tribes or colonies. Despite this, Abram Petrovich Gannibal, a Russian of princely African descent, became a general and nobleman in the Russian Empire. After being kidnapped from Logone (in contemporary Cameroon) by Ottoman forces as a boy, he was sold to Russian diplomat Fedor Golovin[4] in 1704 and gifted to Tsar Peter the Great, who freed and adopted him.[4][5] As an adult, he rose to nobility, and served the Russian Empire in both civil and military capacities.[5] He is also a maternal great-grandfather to the famed Russian poet Alexander Pushkin.[4]

How interesting! The famed Russian poet Alexandre Pushkin was of African descent!

Well, I'm satisfied the pattern repeats over and over Europe for hundreds of years: It's quite plausible, and backed by evidence tha African lineage is to be found in however small amount in many elite European bloodlines.

I need not bother proving it for every variety of European there is.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 4 2022 16:12 utc | 110

''Chuba, I ve found a stone in the way was examining your argument.
"Racism remained in america even after Barack Obama was made president" Yes, after he turned president those who were already enemies of his colour, remained the same, against black colour.

But hitler s all the time foes, the Jews or some of them turned or joined to Nazi side AFTER he became chancellor of Germany which occurred in 1933. It was the opposite situation which invaluates the comparison.

Posted by: augusto | May 4 2022 16:17 utc | 111

"skinfolk ain't kinfolk" - zora neale hurston

so yeah, no jew could hate jews. just like no ukrainian would ever kill another ukrainian or use them as a human shield. just like no black person ever shot another black person in detroit or chicago. just like no white people ever killed each other over dumb shit like "catholic vs protestant". just like no tribes in the pre-columbian americas or the pre-king leopold era africa ever warred with or enslaved each other.

even bibi's son got caught posting "anti-semitic" stuff. and yes, george soros was a kapo. under duress, perhaps...but still. kapos were a thing. never mind the african jews in "israel" who get treated maybe slightly better than palestinians.

i remember an anecdote from WWII (i think maybe from gilad atzmon): "if you try to get out and one exit is guarded by 3 nazis and the other by one kapo...use the first one."

Posted by: the pair | May 4 2022 16:19 utc | 112

OT, just found out there are a bunch of RT videos on the Chinese video website bilibili.com, for those who cannot access RT.

Of course most are in Russian and Chinese only, but some do have English. You can use deepl.com to translate the video title.

https://space.bilibili.com/501247999/video?tid=0&keyword=&order=pubdate

Posted by: ETA | May 4 2022 16:25 utc | 113

The Katzner train was filled with people belonging to the elite circles, as has been documented by Lanzmann in his latest documentary, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoah:_Four_Sisters

Posted by: Tomina | May 4 2022 16:25 utc | 114

Oh, these eternal attempts by Israel to present any case/any criticism as "anti-Semitism" are already pretty tired.

An Israeli robbed a store and you accuse him based on irrefutable evidence? How dare you, you vile anti-Semite!
Israel illegally entered Lebanese airspace and launched rocket attacks on Syria, and you condemn this? How dare you, anti-Semite and racist!
Do you recall the fact that Israel violated the relevant UN resolution and occupied the Golan Heights? This is outright anti-Semitism!
Did you just mention historical facts that put individual representatives of the Israeli people in an unsightly light? Beg your pardon, you damn anti-Semite!
Are you wondering why Israel never called the Ukrainian ambassador and handed him a note of protest in connection with the Nazi attacks on synagogues in Ukraine? 100% you are an anti-Semite!
Israel, inflicting missile strikes on Syria, vilely covered itself with a Russian aircraft, because of which the Russian aircraft was shot down by a Syrian air defense missile, and you are angry with Israel for this? Anti-Semite!
...

By the way, the Chief Rabbi of Russia(!) has already urged(!) S.Lavrov to apologize(!) for his words.

Posted by: alaff | May 4 2022 16:28 utc | 115


The issue runs deeper than the Nord Stream 2, Hon. Larove knows; here is the economics of tax farming and its causes:

Posted by: SailorsWife | May 4 2022 16:31 utc | 116

@Posted by: librul | May 4 2022 13:12 utc | 48

That was hastily written.

Rudolf Kasztner (or Kastner) and his organization, The Jewish Rescue Committee,
were co-perpetrators of the Holocaust. They met and worked directly with the
highest Nazis in the land, including Heinrich Himmler.

The Jewish Rescue Committee, in full knowledge of their fate, actively
mislead ***hundreds of thousands*** of Jews. They tricked them into believing
that the trains would relocate them to a place of safety, instead they
were heading for Auschwitz. People passively arrived at the stations with their luggage
in one hand and the hands of their children in the other. They trusted the leaders of
their community, The Jewish Rescue Committee. The Committee knew their true fate,
they actively mislead the Jews of Hungary.

The leader of the Jewish Rescue Committee, Rudolf Kasztner, was found guilty
in his first trial conducted in the State of Israel. As Kasztner (or Kastner) was an
official of the government the verdict could not be allowed to stand, it was political dynamite.
It was retried in the Supreme Court of Israel. Two of the panel of five judges
said, "guilty, guilty". The others ruled that it was all right for Kasztner to have
been a co-perpetrator of the Holocaust. Unthinkable today for such a ruling;
though support for Nazis in Ukraine was unthinkable just months ago.

How could they rule it was all right to be co-perpetrators of the Holocaust?

The Attorney General of Israel, for that is who represented Kastner, argued that Kastner had a plan to subsequently rescue from the camps
those that he and his fellow collaborators had previously tricked onto the trains. He also argued that all [False!!] the strong young men
capable of resisting the Nazis had been sent away to work camps, thus resistance was futile and it was better to collaborate and save those
few that they could. For three of the five judges these two arguments were enough to follow through and white wash the co-perpetrators.

What plan did Kasztner have? It was actually Heinrich Himmler's plan.
This was 1944, Himmler wanted to split the Allies and then achieve a negotiated peace, with the Third Reich still intact.

Britain's Churchill did not trust the USSR's Stalin and visa versa. They were suspicious of each other.
Himmler sought to play on their mutual suspicions and shatter the alliance. Himmler had Kasztner send two representatives
to meet with the British. Himmler promised to release one million Jews from the camps if the British gave
Germany 10,000 trucks. Himmler promised to only use the trucks in the eastern front, against Stalin's forces.
This was 1944 just before D-Day.

"Absurd", you exclaim! But it is history. Himmler said that if the British refused the offer, then the two representatives
of the Jewish Rescue Committee were to return and lie. If they said the British actually accepted the offer then Himmler would
release one hundred thousand Jews from the camps. It was all for propaganda, Himmler's propaganda and plan to shatter
the alliance and preserve the Third Reich. [The two representatives were arrested by the British and never returned
to assist Himmler in his plan.]

The Attorney General of Israel represented Himmler's plan as "Kasztner's plan" before the Supreme Court of Israel.
That plan and the argument that the Jews of Hungary weren't worth saving, it was futile, is what the Court used to white wash Kastner
and find in his favor.

The Supreme Court found Kastner guilty on only a perjury charge. Kasztner had lied on the witness stand about
going to the Nuremberg Trials and testifying on behalf of Nazis, his partners in crime. Kastner rescued
several Nazis at Nuremberg.

Posted by: librul | May 4 2022 16:34 utc | 117

Jewish is an ideology. It is neither a race or a religion

Posted by: Bluedog57 | May 4 2022 15:55 utc | 106

Perhaps also one could say:

A materialist, self-serving international tribe.

Posted by: Scorpion | May 4 2022 16:35 utc | 118

Ojeo el hilo en busca de comentarios y noticias sobre la guerra y parece que esta ha desaparecido. ¿quién ganó?

Estoy más qué aburrido del tema de los judíos

Posted by: Felipe | May 4 2022 16:36 utc | 119

So why the gradual degrade of relations between Russia and Israel? Aren't they best-friends?

Why is the Russia-Israel tension ramping up lately, and why the rather abrupt flare-up in the past few days?

==========

Recall a few facts:

a. The U.S. neocons are the apparent spear-point of the crusade against Russia. This is a durable fact, and it's spanned several U.S. administrations. Many, maybe even most of the Neo-cons are Jewish, and they seem to be strong Zionists.

b. A lot of the wealth that's been expropriated from Russia via the oligarchs ended up in Jewish / Israeli hands. Remember that during the Yelsin years, Israelis of recent Russian citizenship had a major leg-up in the race to acquire Russian assets: they had the relationships, the money, and knew the language.

c. During Putin's rule, he's occasionally had spats withe these oligarchs when their behavior gets too egregious. Research:
Leonid Nevzlin, Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Read a piece by (U.S. public media) NPR entitled "How Putin Conquered Russia's Oligarchy". This subject is well-discussed, even here in the West...even at NPR.

d. Lately, Putin's been ramping up the rhetoric about running the Russian economy to benefit the Russian middle class. Karlof1 has posted plenty on this subject.

e. Recently - the last few weeks - there's been a lot of discussion within Russia about who and what to "nationalize", ostensibly in response to unfriendly acts by foreign companies who are shutting down their operations in Russia due to "sanctions". The discussion seems to be expanding beyond one-offs due to sanctions, and more broadly into (my paraphrase) "time to take back what got stolen from us during the Yeltsin years".

===== Those points above are pretty close to well-ventilated, easily verifiable facts.

Now, let's venture a little into the realm of statecraft. Suppose you're Putin, or Lavrov. You know that Russia has a target painted on it, and the the people that did Yeltsin Version 1 are aching for Yeltsin version 2. You know that under all the lovey-talk about Freedom and Democracy is a rapacious group of demons looking for the next house to loot. That house is Russia.

You also are fully aware of the influence of Israel in the U.S., and you know that the NeoCons are the spear-point, and many, if not most of them are Jewish, and they have strong ties to Israel, and that Israel derives a very substantial economic benefit from wealth extraction from Russia.

I'm wondering if that, behind the scenes, Russia is beginning to target a few oligarchs with Israel ties, and starting nationalization discussions about those oligarchs' companies. First one, then another, and after a while the pain starts to get intense. The spigots turn off, one by one, and there on the horizon is the specter of all of them turning off, permanently. The West's Kitchen-Sink sanctions provide ample political cover for systematic nationalization.

Lavrov to NeoCons: "Change the policy, or we turn off more spigots".

My guess is that it'll be very effective. If I was Lavrov, I'd would give this a good look.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | May 4 2022 16:37 utc | 120


...Displaced people syndrome...

Posted by: SailorsWife | May 4 2022 16:39 utc | 121

Exactly!

Posted by: cobo | May 4 2022 16:43 utc | 122

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 4 2022 12:16 utc | 26. "I have seen speculation that Russia knows something about the role of the CIA in the Kennedy assassination"

Sorry mate, but it won't be speculation, it will be well documented. The Russians do know, and have released some of that knowledge

Posted by: Andrew S MacGregor | May 4 2022 16:44 utc | 123

My feeling is that these statements by Lavrov are not for us to focus on who is or is not a Jew, who was or was not a victim of nazi aggression (the latter being all too obvious) --- but on who is or is not the best leader in Ukraine. It simply goes back to the original overthrow of the legitimate government there in 2014. There hasn't been a person deserving of the term 'leader'occupying the role in that country ever since.

We could indeed also go back to a less overt overthrow of the government in the USA, but that is a different story,for a time when the powerless today regain legitimate power, the power of an actual democracy --- even if that does deserve future attention.

Lavrov is a statesman, concerned about state legitimacy. Thank you, b.

Posted by: juliania | May 4 2022 16:46 utc | 124

Posted by: Andrew S MacGregor | May 4 2022 16:44 utc | 122

you forgot a link. the truth is the CIA got galvanized by the Church Committee, several years after the JFK assassination, and not due to being blamed for that but due to actual exposure of its many crimes, and started taking over the government after, starting with Reagan's campaign director who became the head of the CIA.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 4 2022 16:47 utc | 125

b - "Does that also explain why Igor Kolomoiski, the Ukrainian Jewish oligarch who lives in Israel, has financed the Azov battalion and other fascist militia in Ukraine?"

Gennadiy Boholiubov and Kolomoiski, then co-owners of Ukraine's PrivatBank, also single-handedly financed this while embezzling BILLIONS (2008-2016) from their bank (and fellow Ukrainians), laundering much of those proceeds through real estate deals in the U.S.


World’s Largest Jewish Center Opens in Dnepropetrovsk [ed: now Dnipro]
By Tamar Runyan October 17, 2012 9:00 PM

How can anyone accuse the great philanthropist to Ukrainian Jewish causes, Kolomoiski, of *also* financing fascist Ukrainian brownshirt neo-Nazi militias while encouraging emigration to Israel? There must be some other explanation. I'll go with 'climate change'. Or this:

Oligarch Raid on the Electricity Market of Ukraine = Kolomoishi bankrupting Energoatom and picking up Ukraine's nuke plants for pennies on the dollar. Guess he'll need a few more Nazi militias and Javelins to get Zaporizhzhia back from the Russians (Rosatom took control for now).

Still looking into that mysterious seventh reactor now being mentioned at Zaporizhzhia. It's only a six-unit plant. See why the Russian seizure might be most inconvenient for certain entities?

Posted by: PavewayIV | May 4 2022 16:48 utc | 126

the main dispute Kennedy had with the intel community was with the FBI, at the time more of a rival than an adjunct of the CIA, because Hoover was well known to keep copious amounts of blackmail material on politicians; Kennedy's private life must have been a goldmine for him.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 4 2022 16:49 utc | 127

EU targets head of the Russian church in new sanctions, because, yanno, why not? PUTIN TIES!!!

Posted by: sln2002 | May 4 2022 17:06 utc | 128

How does this question help to understand anything that is going on in the current struggle? I am not sure of its point.

Jewish banking infested the west and decided to turn against Hitler during WW2...

From the Daily Express in 1933, "Judea declares war on Germany"...

The leadership of the Communist Revolution was disproportionately Jewish...

Many Jews were officers and soldiers in Hitler's Wehrmacht.

Azov uses Nazi Insignias while holding a loose and deluded Indo-European ideology, while being supported in the Presideny by a Jew.

A sincerely foggy picture emerges from all of this.

What has irked me from the bar lately is the incessant droning on of the term "Nazi," as if the ideology of Nazism is so easy to pin down that one can utter one sentence and be labeled a Nazi.

It gets further complicated when one begins to realize that the Nazis were only one of the three culprits of WW2, where each showed massive inhumanity in their conduct and lack of peace-seeking employment of diplomacy.

I think that we in the west have been conditioned by the victors in the west of a post-war narrative that simultaneously whitewashes all of its own atrocity and emphasizes to an almost fetishistic-degree the Nazi's atrocity.

Are Nazi's Jewish?

Are Jews overwhelmingly represented in western banking?

Did the West seek to destroy the Nazis?

Did the West authorize lend-lease to destroy the Nazis?

Did the Nazis hate Communism or Jews?

Did thousands of Jews serve Germany loyally in the Wehrmacht?

Is Communism a naturally-Jewish creation?

Did Nazism dissolve into the west after its defeat?

Are Jews divided as to how they think their dominance of the west and Russia is best served through?

Does it matter if Hitler had Jewish blood?

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 4 2022 17:09 utc | 129

I give b the highest accolades possible for this article!!!!

And again, most Jews are not Semitic peoples, including during WW2. As some have expressed, the term Anti-Semitic is extremely misleading. Given the Jewish people's history of Genocide in Palestine, they are close to being the #1 Anti-Semitic peoples on the planet, yet they're not called that because of the term's perversion.

The artificial nation Occupying Palestine will eventually be erased and replaced by a legitimate Palestinian state; it's just a matter of demographics and time.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2022 17:13 utc | 130

Proper link for 'seventh' reactor at ZNPP. Maybe for cooking up some weapons magic dust, or maybe just a typo (because nuclear regulators never proofread public statements... heh).

"...The Russian Federation attacked the following nuclear installations and facilities in Ukraine: [list]

...the site of the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant with seven nuclear facilities on-site (March 3, 2022)..."

Posted by: PavewayIV | May 4 2022 17:19 utc | 131

Are you baiting me, b?

Whether one of my grandfathers was or was not a Jew has NO bearing on president Z of Ukraine's Jewishness, since I did not know and had to ask my ex-attorney Frank whether the rumors were true. (I have since obtained more capable advocate btw.)

So Lavrov's horse whistling is meaningless in the first part.

The 2nd part is about collaborators and Jewish anti-Semites. I remember back in the day in Vienna we had this young Jewish man who was a virulent anti-semite and wrote a withering book about Jewish character. But thing is, B, anti-semite Jews declare themselves, write anti-semitic books, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Weininger

Now that guy was a Jewish anti-semite.

On other news, it appears a Russian Saint of the Church of the Spaghetti Monster has been channeling prophetic news. Vidi well:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/taood7/uncanny_predictions_of_ukraines_war_from_april/

Posted by: GhostOfAdolf | May 4 2022 17:24 utc | 132

thanks b... a very important discussion.. kudos.. ditto karlof1 @ 129 post to you... and your quote @ b | May 4 2022 12:13 utc | 25 is most relevant here..

someone mentioned lavrov, is actually lavrovsky - jewish descent... i picked that up on haaretz yesterday, so take it fwiw...

i encourage others to read @ Tom Pfotzer | May 4 2022 16:37 utc | 119 post... most insightful... thank you tom!!

@ bevin... i admire your insights.. however you tend to get easily distracted whenever the words marx, or lenin get mentioned in some improper context! would you like to offer any thoughts on b's specific post today?? i would welcome that...

on a personal note, we started watching a thriller on cbc gem - manayek... about corruption within the isreali police force.. i highly recommend the series..

Posted by: james | May 4 2022 17:28 utc | 133

Lavrov to NeoCons: "Change the policy, or we turn off more spigots".

My guess is that it'll be very effective. If I was Lavrov, I'd would give this a good look.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | May 4 2022 16:37 utc | 119

Thanks for the post. I was thinking that the Ukraine war and the Western reaction too it, and patriotic Russian response, had given Putin & his team more room to be critical of Israel, due to its support for Kiev in the war. I look for the Russians to get more assertive in Syria if this continues.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 4 2022 17:35 utc | 134

Tom Pfotzer @119--

Thanks for the mention and for the content of your comment. IMO, since Nuttyahoo was ousted, Russia-Occupied Palestine relations have worsened because the new power bloc is more militant and thus more disruptive of the status quo, which is causing blowback in the Arab world in the form of greater solidarity. Unmentioned in this thread is the blow given Zionist policy with the Yemen Peace and the growing rapprochement between Iran and all Gulf nations that might result in a long sought collective security arrangement promoted by Russia. Plus, there's the related weakening of Outlaw US Empire influence and military power in the region that Occupied Palestine is partly responsible for. Lastly is the energy arena that's seeing movement similar to the diplomatic thanks to Russian participation in OPEC+ and its lesser-known gas-related kin.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2022 17:38 utc | 135

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Weininger

Now that guy was a Jewish anti-semite.

[snip]

Posted by: GhostOfAdolf | May 4 2022 17:24 utc | 131

The approved term -- coined especially for Weininger by Theodor Lessing, himself also Jewish -- is "self-hating Jew."

Weininger also had a horror of women, regarding them as soulless, mindless rapacious monsters of sexuality. Rather than deal with sex with women, which he thought would pollute masculine spirituality, he chose suicide instead. (There's no good evidence he was homosexually inclined, although that's entirely possible.) In short, he was seriously messed up -- but was awfully characteristic of his age: Kraus, Strindberg, Wittgenstein, Berg, etc. etc. etc.

Posted by: malenkov | May 4 2022 17:38 utc | 136

...Arabs, and hence Palestinians, are semite too...

Posted by: Il Discobolo | May 4 2022 17:39 utc | 137

"if you try to get out and one exit is guarded by 3 nazis and the other by one kapo...use the first one."
Posted by: the pair | May 4 2022 16:19 utc | 111

Wonderful post from both of you, from the Zora Neale Hurston citation on down.

It was with that troublesome word "kapo" that Hannah Arendt lost the respect of very close friends. I don't see eye-to-eye with Arendt on everything, but I have to credit her with the courage to speak historical truth. She had to know she'd be reviled for discussing kapos, but she went ahead. That's intellectual courage, and a hard-wired allegiance to the actual factual -- or a very keen facsimile -- from a philosophical pinnacle of agony, my dear friend Hannah.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 4 2022 17:39 utc | 138

On the subject of ancestry - living beings have a biological drive to procreate with any and all available mates. For humans, whether such matings are 'socially acceptable' or not seems to have relatively little power when it comes down to it, after all, we have Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA. Pure blood? Pish.

As for Mr Lavrov's comments - the argument that there cannot be a significant number of Nazis in Ukraine, and certainly not so many that Russia should have any concerns about them because, after all President Zelensky is Jewish, is very widely circulated and repeated by those who wish to make arguments against Russia's SMO. I am not surprised that he addressed this issue when it came up.

Posted by: the pessimist | May 4 2022 17:39 utc | 139

PavewayIV @130--

Perhaps that 7th entity is an enrichment array made to go beyond the 3% needed for reactor fuel and designed for enrichment to weapons grade.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2022 17:43 utc | 140

the westcoast posters come out later in the day, lol... good to see you bemildred..

Posted by: james | May 4 2022 17:45 utc | 141

Rabbi A. J. Heschel used to say, with a twinkle in his eye, that the most anti-Semitic book in the world is the Hebrew Bible.

Posted by: The Rev. David R. Gr | May 4 2022 17:49 utc | 142

Does that also explain why George Soros, a Jewish oligarch, who collaborated with the nazis during WWII, plundering his fellow Jews ( arguing recently that if he had not plunder the Hungarian Jews´ riches, any other would had done it...) has bragged about that the Ukraine project we witness in that country is one of his best investments?

Does that also explain why Dmitro Yarosh, a Jewsih Ukrainian, leads Ukrainian Right Sektor, another neonazi paramilitary organization which flourished and was raised to positions of power after the coup of 2014, and who flew from Ukraine, alojg his nazi paramilitary leader fellow Biletsky, in the first moments of the Russian SMO?

Finally, there are lots of images in the net, especially in Telegram, of Ukrainian neonazis holding Israeli weapons, and even of Jewish neonazi operatives who do not hide their Jewish condition by wearing all the nazi paraphernalia mixed with all the jewsih one in public display.
In fact, the thing goes to the extent that there are full Jewish battalions of neonazis in Ukraine for what it seems.

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | May 4 2022 17:50 utc | 143

The approved term -- coined especially for Weininger by Theodor Lessing, himself also Jewish -- is "self-hating Jew."

Weininger also had a horror of women, regarding them as soulless, mindless rapacious monsters of sexuality. Rather than deal with sex with women, which he thought would pollute masculine spirituality, he chose suicide instead. (There's no good evidence he was homosexually inclined, although that's entirely possible.) In short, he was seriously messed up -- but was awfully characteristic of his age: Kraus, Strindberg, Wittgenstein, Berg, etc. etc. etc.

Posted by: malenkov | May 4 2022 17:38 utc | 135

Ja, but that does not invalidate what I said.

Take those crypto-Zionist Jewish Nazi officers in my Wehrmacht. They served in the armed forces of a Reich that was openly, clearly, unambiguously anti-Semitic.

The onus on Lavrov (who I suspect was hoping to get fired by my wanna-be mini-me so he can get his monies back) and others in the Un-Dead Zombie Russian Empire is to show an equivalence between my Reich and Ukrainian government. You know, those lads joined my SS because they were sick and tired of being under Russian boots and wanted their country back. Ditto for the Finnish.

My ideology, my dream for Deutschland and my Volk, was very explicit and clear and entirely about us GERMANS and GERMANY. Nazi fans, sure, we had a lot, because I am so charismatic and handsome. But non-German Nazi? Meaningless.

Posted by: GhostOfAdolf | May 4 2022 17:51 utc | 144

Ursula von der Leyen the president of the European commission of the EU just declared on TV:

"We want Ukraine to win this war"

Like usually the politicians say: "we want peace" But now it's flat out : "We want to win the war"

And then "Putin has to pay a high price", oil boycot, well I guess petrol is gonna be 3 euro's per liter soon here.

Official fake inflation number is now at 11 % or something, a bankster economist just suggested that the number is too high because gas prices have risen dramatically like 3 fold or something, but a lot of people have like a contract with a fix price for a year and they not paying the new high gas price yet. So the number should be lower according to her.

Dutch mainstream media immediately wrote headlines such as : "Official inflation number is too high, new inflation calculation method should be applied"

But what is happening is of course that people bought a year of natural gas supply at a fixed price at the price level of last year. It's like If I were to buy a supply of firewood last year for a year and then the price of firewood goes 300 % up and then I say, well no inflation for me, I bought it last year.

Really funny how people chew up al the BS by some propagandist economist that sends a message such as, don't worry people it's not so bad" and the media as if they are complete fools as if they totally stupid just print it.

People around me and me are saying real inflation is more like 20 - 30 % what they have noticed how much prices have gone up for things they buy al the time.

Posted by: Jimmy | May 4 2022 17:52 utc | 145

I have to go now. Tell Lavrov not to sweat being sanctioned and losing toys. My master has prepared a beautiful yacht for him and the rest of the Zombie Empire gang to sail around River Styx.

Posted by: GhostOfAdolf | May 4 2022 17:58 utc | 146

If there are only "several thousand" Nazis why are they concerned to not upset them. Why not throw them under the bus to negotiate peace? I mean they are Nazis. Why care about them at all

Posted by: GS | May 4 2022 17:58 utc | 147

I think Lavrov would not want his point to hinge on the matter of Hitler's jewishness. The point is, there are nazis having a great (predominant) influence in Ukraine government - thier statements and acts support this point, for those who are interested. Anyone should be ashamed to support them or to remain silent on the issue. The fact that they have not slaughtered jews is not the criteria of detirmination.

Posted by: jared | May 4 2022 17:59 utc | 148

It seems to me that they are focusing on one sentence talking about the past to distract from the fact that today Israel is supporting open Nazis in Ukraine.
Lavrov tends to make full arguments with many supporting facts and Israel has seized one argument to distract from the all-important main point that they are collaborating with Nazis at the present time.

Posted by: wagelaborer | May 4 2022 18:02 utc | 149

Posted by: Et Tu @ 19

Not just Morocco.

The Mossad role in bombing Iraqi synagoges, murdering and terrorising Iraqi Jews is also covered in detail in all three editions of 'The Gun and the Olive Branch', David Hirst.
European Khazar Jews were not migrating to the Bandit State in great numbers in 1950-51. Terrorising Sephardic j[Arabic] Jews was the answer to Zionists, even if they were to be treated as second class citizens.
"....Zionist role in flight of Jews from Iraq.
The role of Israel and Zionist undercover agents in helping precipitate the departure of Jews from Iraq has long been suspected.

Naiem Giladi, an Iraqi Jew who joined the Zionist underground as a young man in Iraq and later came to regret his role in fostering the departure of some 125,000 Jews from Iraq, wrote that, “Zionist propagandists still maintain that the bombs in Iraq were set off by anti-Jewish Iraqis who wanted Jews out of their country.” But “the terrible truth,” Giladi said, “is that the grenades that killed and maimed Iraqi Jews and damaged their property were thrown by Zionist Jews.”

Giladi, who was born Naeim Khalaschi, gave his account in an article published by Americans for Middle East Understanding in 1998 which summarizes his book, Ben Gurion’s Scandals: How the Haganah and the Mossad eliminated Jews.

After being sentenced to death in Iraq for his Zionist activities, Giladi fled to Israel. Because his native language was Arabic, Giladi was assigned to assist the Israeli military occupation authorities expel Palestinians from their homes in al-Majdal (“Ashkelon”) by pressuring them to sign documents stating they were leaving to Gaza willingly..."


https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/iraqi-jews-reject-cynical-manipulation-their-history-israel-zionists-writer-almog

BTW hasn't this subject brought the hasbara trolls out of the woodwork!!!

Posted by: Paul | May 4 2022 18:03 utc | 150

Thank you Bevin for your wise words about Marx and Lenin!

Posted by: Red Eve | May 4 2022 18:10 utc | 151

@Peter | May 4 2022 14:00 utc | 68

"Judeo-Bolshevism" is original Nazi-Slang. Can be found in "Stürmer" or "Völkischer Beobachter".

Posted by: wschira | May 4 2022 18:13 utc | 152

Also my 50+ years on the planet but even taking basic high school history one can easily conclude power, position or money often trumps ethnic identity.

Posted by: GS | May 4 2022 18:14 utc | 153

Posted by: Paul | May 4 2022 18:03 utc | 149

And the bizarre thing is, once the Iraqi Jews arrived in Israel, they were treated as second-class citizens by the Ashkenazis. Avi Shlaim, who is of that origin, is quite clear about it.

Posted by: laguerre | May 4 2022 18:16 utc | 154

Even the Ukrainian are admitting that the Russians have entered Azovstal

Posted by: Down South | May 4 2022 18:24 utc | 155

What has irked me from the bar lately is the incessant droning on of the term "Nazi," as if the ideology of Nazism is so easy to pin down that one can utter one sentence and be labeled a Nazi.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 4 2022 17:09 utc | 128

The ideology of fascism is almost irrelevant to identify it, besides allegiance with historical fascism.

Fascism is not a coherent ideology. Fascism is the open rule of a society's most supremacist elements, allied with its most violent elements set loose and empowered by finance capital, and the actions and discourse conducive to such a state of affairs. The ideological content comes ad-hoc to facilitating this.

Its objectives are destroying any form of independent working-class power, the expansion or creation of slavelike underclasses, and increasing territorial domain.

Its methods are ethnically and ideologically focused scapegoating, disenfranchisement, murder, mass murder, territorial encroachment and war.

A particular nazi-fascist is most readily identified by voluntary declarations of allegiance, the usual forms being: display of nazi-fascist symbols, validation of nazi-fascist ideological content (as opposed to correctly identifying ideological form and function), and supremacist-fueled validation of nazi-fascist methods.

Posted by: Arganthonios | May 4 2022 18:25 utc | 156

Who really gives a rat's ass about Jewish or not? All that really matters is a persons character at a particular time, and their behavior, and how it manifests itself towards others.

The content of your character, is all that matters, and that will show in your treatment of others.

Screw "blood lines", and all the other BS. Also, screw Israel, until they revise their treatment of the Palestinians.

After the millions of Jews killed in WW2, You'd think they'd grab a clue.

Posted by: vetinLA | May 4 2022 18:25 utc | 157

Kadyrov
We caught a big western fish trying to escape from the Azovstal factory and sent it to the great fisherman Vladimir Putin as a gift for Eid al-Fitr.

There are still a lot of western fish and with them 4 very large and very important "shark" class.

I guess we going to find out soon!

Posted by: Down South | May 4 2022 18:30 utc | 158

Russia's MFA has announced the fact that a venerable Spanish publication, "A-Be-Se," requested an interview with Maria Zakharova, but later refused to publish it presumably because of its content. That being the case, the MFA decided to publish it in full. Unfortunately, that content is off topic for this thread, so I'll paste it to the dead Ukraine open thread for people to read at their leisure.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2022 18:32 utc | 159

From IntelSlava

🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡The Russian army broke through to Azovstal, - Arakhamia

"For the second day, attempts to storm the plant continue. Russian troops are already on the territory of Azovstal," Zelensky's ally Arakhamia said, referring to the commander of the Nazi Azov regiment.

Posted by: Down South | May 4 2022 18:33 utc | 160

I don't often post here but I thought I'd share a few observations, since they seem to be missing from the conversation.

Reposted from Zero Hedge on the same topic:

Note the timing. One week before May 9th. Just enough time for the outrage and denials to build momentum before the world is hit with the irrefutable truth backed by hard evidence, witness testimony and confessions.

Nothing is by accident here. Russia has stated many times that they've abandoned diplomacy because there's no one to negotiate with on the other side. That position now includes Israel.

Again, note the timing: 2014 Maidan coup ; 2015 Russia intervenes in Syria ; 2017 Tartus port expansion begins ; 2019 Russia assumes control. Russia now has a permanent nuclear presence in Syria, right next door to Israel. They've also recently demonstrated their ability to strike heavily defended targets without warning.

A message is being sent in the opposite direction as well. Note who was tasked with clearing the Nazis out of Mariupol, their main HQ. Muslim soldiers rescuing Orthodox Christians from Nazis is how this plays in Islam. A debt repaid (Syria), an honour bestowed, and old grievances put aside is how I read that.

Posted by: ebear | May 4 2022 18:34 utc | 161

the term Anti-Semitic is extremely misleading
Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2022 17:13 utc | 129

That being so, I recommend a heavy lift: reading Martin Bernal, Black Athena, the Afroasiatic Roots of Classical Civilization, vol. I-III, in their entirety. Sorry, no digital edition.

The first volume is a survey of Anglo-European racist epistemology--"backed" by some 200 pp of primary and secondary source endnotes as in each volume--and systematic indoctrination of enthno/anthro "sciences" driving imperial expansion between 18th-19th cen. Publication set the academics' heads on fire back in the mid-80s and earned Bernal title of "crank" from revachists, YET irrevocably altered the trjectory of "archeology" and "geneology" (lately, computational genomic projects) thereafter. The other two volumes apply historical liquistic analysis to documentary artifacts (orthographic fragements) to postulate in detail alternative etymologies, neolithic migrations, periodization, and continuity of archaic mythologies that comingled around the Mediterranean basin. Over all, contesting the originality and coherence of a Indo-European language family (among others) said to distinguish the primacy of European "nationalists".

The experience and wisdom, translations don't write themselves, totally changed my attitude to world.

Posted by: sln2002 | May 4 2022 18:35 utc | 162

B,

Lavrov probably regrets his comments, Perhaps Russians (and Armenians) are sick of Jews acting like they have a trademark on being victims of mass murder. This is understandable, but those of us who would like to see this war end with security for both Ukraine and Russia should stop and take a breath before continuing down this particular sidetrack.

This article does not match the usual high level of your commentary. It should be possible to support Lavrov and Putin's foreign policy without entering the murky world of fringe historiography.

Sometimes I think that people arguing the Ukraine war are just emotionally re-litigating WW2. Before this war began I had never realized the volume of unresolved emotional turmoil that still lays right below the surface in many people psyches.

Posted by: Mark Rothschild | May 4 2022 18:37 utc | 163

Posted by GS | 4 maj 2022 18:14 utc | 152
Marx said that your mindset depends on where you are in relation to the production. A Danish auhtor wrote a fictive book about the inhabitants in small Danish town during the German occupation during the WW2, this book was sent as radioserial in Denmark, and the listeners all believed that the serial depicted their own town...
The author had examined lots of documents and interviews before he wrote his book. The books name i Frydenholm and the author is Hans Scherfig.

Posted by: Red Eve | May 4 2022 18:38 utc | 164


Posted by: laguerre | May 4 2022 18:16 utc | 153

"And the bizarre thing is, once the Iraqi Jews arrived in Israel, they were treated as second-class citizens by the Ashkenazis. Avi Shlaim, who is of that origin, is quite clear about it".

Daguerre, you are right, it is bizarre. The Arabic Jews can claim at least a tenuous connection to the Ancient Hebrews, unlike the deeply racist European Khazars who merely share the same religion.

The Arabic Jews were never persecuted historically and attained important positions in the empire of the Mamelukes and later Arab leadership structures. This included membership of the leadership of the governing council set up in Damascus by Faisal the day after he captured the city from the Ottoman Turks. This was 'snuffed out' by Faaisal's "allies", the British and the French.

Posted by: Paul | May 4 2022 18:38 utc | 165

@Lolgege You had better be careful not to lose any more for you obviously never had that many to begin with.

Posted by: Peter | May 4 2022 18:42 utc | 166

Even the Ukrainian are admitting that the Russians have entered Azovstal

Posted by: Down South | May 4 2022 18:24 utc | 154

It is the Ukrainians who are claiming that the Russians have entered Azovstal, whereas the Russians said they would not attempt to take it by storm. Better for Azov to die gloriously, while slaughtering a maximum of hated Russians, rather than die ignominiously from starvation, or actually surrender. What the reality is, nobody knows.

Posted by: laguerre | May 4 2022 18:43 utc | 167

I would not have worded like Lavrov, but ok, I am not Lavrov. And well the "blood line" was the wrong take, imho, as Jews consider Jewishness transmitted on the maternal side only, while Antisemitism considers Jewishness like a race. Should have been better not to mention.

Whether or not mentioning Jewish collaborators, and Antisemites, is disputable as well, when it comes to the tragedy of the Shoah.

What had to be mentioned though, was and is the support for the Ukrainian Neonazi regime. And when it comes to history, Bandera and his gang of OUN thugs. They were the vanguard of the Holocoaust, the first Nazi gangs to execute mass murder of Jews, along with an orgy of violence, abuse, and looting, in Lemberg starting July 30, 1941. The murder went on the whole month of July, with over 100,000 killed.

It was not spontaneous (though prior executions by the NKWD were taken as pretext and excuse). Rather Bandera laid out the plan for the pogroms during the "Ukrainian Revolution" in his paper "Struggles and Activities" months before the assault on the USSR.

He steered the carnage from the Chelm area in Poland while his Deputy Stetsko commanded the thugs on the ground. Zelensky is revering that monster as a "Hero of Ukraine", and the murderous OUN gangs as "defenders of the fatherland". That is in my opinion what Lavrov better had confronted the Israelis with.

Posted by: aquadraht | May 4 2022 18:45 utc | 168

Anton Gerashchenko
@Gerashchenko_en
A staff member at #Azovstal betrayed 🇺🇦 and told russians about underground tunnels that lead to the plant. That's why they launched their attack yesterday and currently the russians are trying to force their way onto Azovstal territory. #Mariupol

Posted by: Down South | May 4 2022 18:48 utc | 169

55 million human beings died in WWII,
What makes a few million Jews,
so special.

Posted by: jpb | May 4 2022 18:50 utc | 170

Laguerre- you may be right

AFP News Agency
@AFP
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1m
#BREAKING Russia announces ceasefire at Azovstal steel plant in Ukraine's Mariupol to allow civilian evacuations

Posted by: Down South | May 4 2022 18:50 utc | 171

Historical..

Meanwhile, the Normans were busy imposing Latin customs, including the unleavened bread—with papal approval. Michael I, Patriarch of Constantinople, then ordered Leo, Archbishop of Ochrid, to write a letter to the bishop of Trani, John, an Easterner, in which he attacked the "Judaistic" practices of the West, namely the use of unleavened bread. The letter was sent by John to all the bishops of the West, including the pope, and the letter was passed to Humbert of Mourmoutiers, the cardinal-bishop of Silva Candida, who translated the letter into Latin and brought it to the pope, who ordered a reply to be made to each charge and a defense of papal supremacy to be laid out in a response.

In 1054, Pope Leo IX sent a letter to Michael Cerularius that cited a large portion of the forgery called the Donation of Constantine, believing it genuine.[104] The official status of this letter is acknowledged in the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 5, entry on Donation of Constantine.[105][106] Leo IX assured the Patriarch that the donation was genuine, so only the apostolic successor to Peter possessed that primacy and was the rightful head of all the Church. The Patriarch rejected the claims of papal primacy.

Posted by: SailorsWife | May 4 2022 18:52 utc | 172

Posted by: jpb | May 4 2022 18:50 utc | 169

better question, how many americans died in world war 2. the answer tells you why the US was able to rig the international system in its favor after world war 2.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 4 2022 18:54 utc | 174

Great article and comments ! Thanks All !

Posted by: John Sang | May 4 2022 18:54 utc | 175

Euromaidan PR
@EuromaidanPR
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2m
"russian scum found a traitor among the employees of #Azovstal, some electrician, who showed the tunnels that lead underground to the plant.
And yesterday the russians began to storm these tunnels, using the information they received from the traitor." - Anton Gerashchenko

Posted by: Down South | May 4 2022 18:54 utc | 176

Lavrov was saying Zelensky is a Black Sheep Jew, an anti Jew Jew. There is no evidence for that. 100% of the evidence refutes it. Zelensky is working for Jews and is advancing Jewish intetests.

Of course, they do work with anti-semites. Nearly everyone hates the Jews, and they have to work with what exists, as they did in Germany and the one balled Corporal back in the day.

The annihilation of Azov is part of the plan, just as it was with the NAZI Germans. They play their asigned roll, they they die.

So Lavrov is mostly wrong, as usual.

What would Zhirinovsky have said? Shafarevich?

Posted by: Robert Rangewolf | May 4 2022 18:56 utc | 177

Posted by: Down South | May 4 2022 18:30 utc | 157

any names yet? this is a very interesting development, long rumored.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 4 2022 18:56 utc | 178


The Iron Wall by Lenni Brenner
Zionist Revisionism from Jabotinsky to Shamir

https://sttpml.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/The-Iron-Wall-Zionist-Revisionism-Lenni-Brenner1.pd

Posted by: jpb | May 4 2022 18:56 utc | 179

The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed examines the origins of Jewish Racism.

https://www.controversyofzion.info/Controversybook/reeedcontrov.pdf

Posted by: jpb | May 4 2022 19:00 utc | 180

More heavy diplomatic artillery from Russia's MFA: "Speech by the Head of the Delegation of the Russian Federation at the talks in Vienna on military security and arms control K.Y. Gavrilov at the 1008th plenary session of the Forum for Security Cooperation (FSC), May 4, 2022." Unfortunately, its substance doesn't fit with the thread topic; so as with the Zakharova interview, I'll paste it all to the dead Ukraine open thread. When you read both items, it becomes very clear that Lavrov is by no means the wittiest member of the MFA--there's an entire stable full of excellent minds with very broad vocabularies.

Again, it's made very clear that the current situation was caused by NATO nations failure to adhere to the treaties they signed--they willingly broke them but don't have the courage to admit their responsibility. And that collective continues to strut down their cowardly path, incapable of admitting their role in their own destruction. There must be a better word than pathetic for such behavior--perhaps wretched is more apt.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2022 19:01 utc | 181

The UK's Mirror news website has a pretty scary video of what it says is Russia using thermobaric weapons on the Azovstal plant in Mariupol and that contact has been lost with those inside. Everyone inside it has had numerous opportunities to leave.

Posted by: D J G | May 4 2022 19:02 utc | 182

The Frankenberger hypothesis about Hitler having a Jewish grandfather may be considered refuted among historians, but that need not have anything to do with the strength of the evidence. Most historians are academics. Academics are cowards attached to their comfortable jobs. They have seen what happened to David Irving.

Lavrov, in his job, may well have had access to special evidence.

Posted by: Lysias | May 4 2022 19:04 utc | 183

@155 Arganthonios

Your post exemplifies the bad-faith present currently at the bar and what I am alluding to.

Communism gets is off the hook in your gaze, every...single...time.

As I have tried to explain in the past week or so regarding the fetishistic appropriation of the term "Nazi," and as Heidegger opined, the west (industrial capitalism) and the east (communism) were metaphysically the same.

They both utilized human capital for aspiritual (antihuman) means, which in the end becomes nothing more than apocalyptic suicide, which I believe is what Heidegger was attempting to convey, and which perhaps Hitler had a faint inkling of.

In both of these metaphysical twin pillars, Jews played a disproportionate part of its organizing and implementation.

This bar is absolutely crawling with bad-faith Marxists (can there be any other kind of Marxist?). Many do not realize that Marxism was, from its outset, an anti-philosophical appropriation of Hegelian thought.

Both victors in WW2 have done all they can to keep spirit tied-down.

What hubris to be paid back in full in due time!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 4 2022 19:06 utc | 184

@wschira Judeo-Bolshevism is a perfect description that people all across Europe, especially eastern Europe were all too aware of that has been covered up by liars pushing their own narrative. In order to suppress the truth, the great Nobel Prize winning Russian writer Alexander Solzhenitsyn's book "200 Years Together" about Jews in Russia has been censored in the English speaking countries. The book exists in many other languages but no American or English publisher will publish it either because the publisher is Jewish or they will receive the wrath of Jews if they dare publish it.

Russian President Vladimir Putin: 80 - 85% of First Soviet Government were Jews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC1rnpNlyGg

This is a video clip of a discussion of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution, an uprising against the Jewish torturers and murderers that led Hungary.

Historian David Irving on the Hungarian Uprising of 1956
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGphRxZygVw

Posted by: Peter | May 4 2022 19:07 utc | 185

Here is how the "Z" flag fluttered before the wind changed.

https://twitter.com/MoMoSaSa22/status/1520685857086513152

Posted by: Tom_12 | May 4 2022 19:07 utc | 186

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 4 2022 18:54 utc | 173

The Anglo-American Empire collaborated with Zionist Jews to establish the Holocaust narrative in order to deflect the narrative from the war crimes of the Anglo-American mass fire bombing of German cities in WWII, incinerating 10 million German old men, women, and children. The Holocaust narrative is essential to make the Germans the unique evil in human history, thereby justifying and obfuscating Allied culpability in their genocide of German civilians and culture. The fire bombing of Dresden, Germany in the last days of the war is a war crime perpetrated by Winston Churchill and the Anglo-American Empire. Yes---the Anglo-American Empire rigged the system and the narrative in their favor!

Posted by: jpb | May 4 2022 19:09 utc | 187

Earlier today I posted this on the wrong thread, silly me. Reposting now.

Lenni Brenner wrote two convincing books exposing this subject years ago:
"51 Documents Zionist Collaboration With The Nazis LENNI BRENNER 1983"

https://archive.org/details/51DocumentsZionistCollaborationWithTheNazisLENNIBRENNER1983

"...It’s no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators, Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little coverage in the American media. Now, in 51 Documents, Brenner has compiled a wide variety of letters, statements, articles, and judgements—some of which appeared in his earlier book—by a broad array of activists and authors, that documents Zionist cooperation with the Nazis....."

https://www.wrmea.org/004-september/book-review-51-documents-zionist-collaboration-with-the-nazis.html

Hasbara trolls have not forgiven him since.

Posted by: Paul | May 4 2022 17:29 utc | 163

Posted by: Paul | May 4 2022 19:11 utc | 188

sln2002 @161--

Thanks for your reply. I'm very pleased you discovered Black Athena and were able to learn from it and its defenses made by Matin Bernal. I've all three volumes and copies of his defenses. The first volume is available here at The Archive.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 4 2022 19:13 utc | 189

Both Azov in Ukraine and Antifa here in the states.

Diametrically-opposed ideologies?

Or, both employed as globalist drones?

Easy answer.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 4 2022 19:14 utc | 190

Academics are cowards attached to their comfortable jobs. They have seen what happened to David Irving.

Posted by: Lysias | May 4 2022 19:04 utc | 182

Most academics have tenure, or not far off. The situation is different between the US and Europe. It's not fear of their jobs that drives most academics, but the career ladder.

Posted by: laguerre | May 4 2022 19:25 utc | 191

the westcoast posters come out later in the day, lol... good to see you bemildred..

Posted by: james | May 4 2022 17:45 utc | 140

Hello james, I see you too. My schedule is very irregular these days. Some might say non-existent. Trying to pay attention to the news firehose and still tend to my garden.

Posted by: Bemildred | May 4 2022 19:27 utc | 192

karlof1@139 - "Perhaps that 7th entity is an enrichment array made to go beyond the 3% needed for reactor fuel and designed for enrichment to weapons grade."

Enriching uranium today is a mechanical process - no reactors involved. It's done almost exclusively in gas centrifuges.

Neutron bombs (low yield, little fallout, high 'people-killing' neutron flux) require a lot of tritium. Most boosted weapons use a little tritium, but China and Israel's neutron bombs require a lot. Tritium decays at over 5% a year, so you need to keep replenishing it whether it's just in storage for bombs or actually inside a warhead. You make tritium by irradiating lithium rods made for that purpose and inserting them (usually in place of regular fuel rods) in a nuclear reactor for the entire fuel cycle (12 - 18 months).

Russia can (or may have already) collected evidence if Zaporizhzhia reactors were used for that purpose. Chances are pretty good because so many were shut down ahead of schedule for mysterious reasons earlier this year. Reactors have to be reconfigured a bit for tritium production - they run under different parameters, produce less power and use less boron in the cooling water. I suppose it could be concealed with enough effort, but Rosatom built Ukraine's VVER1000 reactors and (until recently) has supplied all their fuel rods. They know exactly what to look for including, I suppose, an 'extra' reactor that could be used for that purpose.

Ukraine would have no reason to make substantial quantities of tritium for weapons, and certainly not in 'neutron bomb' quantities... unless THEY had developed neutron bombs, or were producing tritium for some unnamed third party to use in theirs. Did I mention that the Dimona reactor is end-of-life and can't be used for tritium production anymore?

I see the reactor operators have recently been crying about Rosatom nuclear engineers asking for 'sensitive' ZNPP operating data, which they refuse to give them. So something fishy going on for sure. Maybe Rosatom should send in a few Chechens to ask again - politely at first, then not so politely.

Ukraine would also need plutonium for weapons, but that comes from reprocessing spent nuclear fuel. They did that in Ukraine in Soviet times but shouldn't have any reason to be doing that now. Pretty hard to hide any quantities of radioactive plutonium. You would need catacombs under a steel plant or something like that, but what do I know...

Posted by: PavewayIV | May 4 2022 19:31 utc | 193

G. Doctorow has a very interesting speculation today on this Lavrov-Israeli affair/spat, and he hedges that it's more about developing nukes in Ukraine (a very serious matter to Russia, indeed) than whether there are neo-nazis supported by the Ukrainian government or whether hitler was in part of jewish heritage etc etc


https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2022/05/04/lavrovs-anti-semitic-remarks/

".....I admit that there is an innocuous explanation. Lavrov intended his words as a counter to Western denial that Kiev is a Nazi-dominated regime on grounds that President Zelensky himself is Jewish. But Lavrov had to be aware how Jerusalem would react to his words, so we should look further.

Let me hazard a guess. Lavrov knew well what he was doing and probably had discussed this subject with his boss, Vladimir Vladimirovich (Putin), before he opened his mouth.

The Russians are very dissatisfied with Israel over its past military cooperation with Ukraine, and Lavrov’s statement was only the opening round. If we go back to the very first days of Russia’s ‘special military operation,’ when they took control of the Zaporozhye nuclear power station and seized there documents relating to Ukraine’s efforts to build a ‘dirty nuclear weapon,’ the Russian Ministry of Defense announced that there were foreign enablers active there. Then the next day, unexpectedly and in great haste, Israeli Prime Minister Bennett flew to Moscow for unscheduled talks with Putin. Almost nothing was disclosed about the subject of their talks. But subsequently the foreign enablers were never identified by the Russians.

Though I have been praised by some readers for avoiding ‘speculation,’ I will permit myself just this once to speculate: it is not inconceivable that the Israelis were among the key advisers to Kiev on its program to build nuclear weapons. If that is so, we may expect Russian-Israeli relations to get a lot worse in the coming weeks and months....."

Posted by: michaelj72 | May 4 2022 19:33 utc | 194

Paul "The Arabic Jews were never persecuted historically and attained important positions in the empire of the Mamelukes"
Not only Mamluks but Fatimids and Ayyubids as well, not to Western Arabo-Berber dynasties, al-Andalus or the Abbasids...

Posted by: Tomina | May 4 2022 19:36 utc | 195

not only are the Palestinians Semites, they are in many cases descendants of Jews who converted to Christianity and Islam

About 40% of Palestinians are Christians

Posted by: Exile | May 4 2022 19:37 utc | 196

Peter | May 4 2022 19:07 utc | 184

"...Russian PresidPosted by:ent Vladimir Putin: 80 - 85% of First Soviet Government were Jews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC1rnpNlyGg

This is a video clip of a discussion of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution, an uprising against the Jewish torturers and murderers that led Hungary.

Historian David Irving on the Hungarian Uprising of 1956
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGphRxZygVw..."

Peter, thanks for your post. I enjoyed both videos. I have a copy of 'Uprising!'. Irving's critics can't find fault with his scholarship or facts so they just smear him.

Some regimes burn books, other more contemporary regimes simply imprison authors.

Posted by: Paul | May 4 2022 19:38 utc | 197

I am Israeli, a nationalist, and though I AGREE with that Lavrov's statement is NOT anti semitic, that Lapid is an idiot, and that indeed there were many Jews who collaborated with enemies of the Jews throughout history, I STRONGLY protest against the use of the words "Zionist entity" which is highly insulting. Is there a Russian "entity"? A French one? And by the way, Palestine is a geographical name. In fact, before the Israeli war of independence in 1948, the Jews were called, and called themselves "Palestinians"!

Posted by: margo | May 4 2022 19:42 utc | 198

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 4 2022 18:56 utc | 177

None. All information I come across simply says there are high ranking NATO officers in there but no names.

But from how specific Kadyrov was, I think they know exactly whose in there.

Posted by: Down South | May 4 2022 19:47 utc | 199

Speeking of Putin.
I am not seeing discussion of his need of treatment for stomach cancer. More important I think.
Where to send get well soon cards?

Posted by: jared | May 4 2022 19:49 utc | 200

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