MoA - On Lavrov's Spat With Israel

May 04, 2022

On Lavrov's Spat With Israel - Who Is Right?

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is in a spat with Israel over its support for Nazis militia in the Ukraine.

The immediate cause is a passage in an interview Lavrov had with the Italian TV network Mediaset:

Question: This is how you see it, while Vladimir Zelensky puts it differently. He believes denazification doesn’t make any sense. He is a Jew. The Nazis, Azov – there are very few of them (several thousand). Vladimir Zelensky refutes your view of the situation. Do you believe Vladimir Zelensky is an obstacle to peace?
Sergey Lavrov: It makes no difference to me what President Vladimir Zelensky refutes or does not refute. He is as fickle as the wind, as they say. He can change his position several times a day.

I heard him say that they would not even discuss demilitarisation and denazification during peace talks. First, they are torpedoing the talks just as they did the Minsk agreements for eight years. Second, there is nazification there: the captured militants as well as members of the Azov and Aidar battalions and other units wear swastikas or symbols of Nazi Waffen-SS battalions on their clothes or have them tattooed on their bodies; they openly read and promote Mein Kampf. His argument is: How can there be Nazism in Ukraine if he is a Jew? I may be mistaken but Adolf Hitler had Jewish blood, too. This means absolutely nothing. The wise Jewish people say that the most ardent anti-Semites are usually Jews. “Every family has its black sheep,” as we say.

The Zionist entity in Palestine reacted with harsh words:

The Israeli prime minister, Naftali Bennett, condemned on Monday a recent claim by the Russian foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, that Jews were “the biggest antisemites.”
The Israeli Foreign Ministry also summoned the Russian ambassador to Israel to explain Mr. Lavrov’s remarks, while the Israeli foreign minister, Yair Lapid, demanded an apology.
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Mr. Bennett said that he viewed Mr. Lavrov’s remarks with the “utmost severity,” saying that the comments were “untrue and their intentions are wrong.”

Mr. Bennett added, “The goal of such lies is to accuse the Jews themselves of the most awful crimes in history, which were perpetrated against them, and thereby absolve Israel’s enemies of responsibility.”

Separately, Mr. Lapid said that Mr. Lavrov’s comments were “both an unforgivable and outrageous statement as well as a terrible historical error.”

“Jews did not murder themselves in the Holocaust,” he added. “The lowest level of racism against Jews is to accuse Jews themselves of antisemitism.”

Mr. Lapid has a big mouth that hides the whitewashing of Jewish Nazi collaborators in which his own family was involved.

But first let us tackle the question of Adolf Hitler's ancestry. The History channel has a piece on it:

In the decades since Adolf Hitler’s death, the Nazi leader’s ancestry has been a subject of rampant speculation and intense controversy. Some have suggested that his father, Alois, born to an unwed woman named Maria Schickelgruber, was the illegitimate child of Leopold Frankenberger, a young Jewish man whose family employed her as a maid. (She subsequently married Johann Georg Hiedler–later spelled “Hitler”–whose surname her son adopted.)

In 2019 the Jerusalem Post reported of new research on the issue:

[A] study by psychologist and physician Leonard Sax has shed new light supporting the claim that Hitler’s father’s father had Jewish roots.
The study, titled “Aus den Gemeinden von Burgenland: Revisiting the question of Adolf Hitler’s paternal grandfather,” which was published in the current issue of the Journal of European Studies, examines claims by Hitler’s lawyer Hans Frank, who allegedly discovered the truth.

Hitler asked Frank to look into the claim in 1930, after his nephew William Patrick Hitler threatened to expose that the leader’s grandfather was Jewish.

In his 1946 memoir, which was published seven years after he was executed during the Nuremberg trials, “Frank claimed to have uncovered evidence in 1930 that Hitler’s paternal grandfather was a Jewish man living in Graz, Austria, in the household where Hitler’s grandmother was employed,” and it was in 1836 that Hitler’s grandmother Maria Anna Schicklgruber became pregnant, Sax explained.
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Sax writes in the study that according to the letters in Frank’s memoir, “Frankenberger Sr. sent money for the support of the child from infancy until its 14th birthday.”

“The motivation for the payment, according to Frank, was not charity but primarily a concern about the authorities becoming involved: ‘The Jew paid without a court order, because he was concerned about the result of a court hearing and the connected publicity,’” the letters state.

It seems to me that Lavrov has that one right. It really seems that Adolf Hitler had some Jewish ancestors who even paid for the upbringing of his father.

Now onto the other issue, Lavrov's claim that:

.. the most ardent anti-Semites are usually Jews. “Every family has its black sheep,” as we say.

Yair Lapid does not agree with that. Well, his father didn't either until, to his embarrassment, some new facts proved him wrong. There is for example the well known case of Rudolf Kasztner in which Lapid's father was involved.

As the Times of Israel reported in 2016:

[The British Jewish historian Paul] Bogdanor was “extremely shocked” to find that everything pointed towards Kasztner’s having been “a collaborator” with the Nazis, and a “betrayer of the Zionist movement and the Jewish people.”
Bogdanor’s new book, “Kasztner’s Crime,” published in October, sets out the case against the Jewish leader in damning detail. Even the most devoted defender might have second thoughts after reading his book.
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Kasztner was a leader of a small Zionist grouping in Budapest towards the end of World War II. He led a Jewish rescue committee which, before the Nazis entered Hungary, did succeed in saving the lives of a number of Jews. But once the Nazis arrived, Kasztner, an ambitious lawyer, became embroiled in prolonged negotiations with the Nazi leadership, particularly Adolf Eichmann.

After complex dealings with Eichmann, Kasztner succeeded in getting the Nazis to agree to the deportation of a group of 1,684 Hungarian Jews, the so-called “Kasztner Train,” who eventually ended up in freedom in Switzerland.

But thousands more continued on the doomed path to Auschwitz. Bogdanor says that not only did Kasztner know they were being sent to their deaths, but that he actively kept such information secret from other Jews in Hungary and the wider Jewish world.

Kasztner deliberately put selected strong Zionists who wanted to emigrate to Palestine on his list. Those Hungarian Jews who did not want to emigrate were deceived by him to believe that the Nazis were no danger to them. Kazstner himself later found a role in the Zionist establishment:

Kasztner himself did not get on the train, but survived the war and made his way to Palestine. By 1952 he was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and a would-be member of Knesset, though he did not succeed in obtaining a place high enough on the Mapai list to become elected.
Nevertheless, when, in 1953, an embittered Hungarian Jew named Malkiel Gruenwald distributed a pamphlet about Kasztner, naming him as a Nazi collaborator, the Israeli government thought highly enough of him to bring a libel suit on his behalf, accusing Gruenwald of defamation.

During the trial, dozens of witnesses testified about Kasztner’s actions during the war. The case lasted 18 months and did not end well for him. The presiding judge ruled that Kasztner had indeed collaborated, and in words which echo down the years, said he had “sold his soul to the devil.”

The Israeli government of the day fell and Kasztner and his family became virtual prisoners in their home. He resigned from his post, his wife sank into depression and his daughter spoke, years later, of having been ostracized and mocked by other children at school.

On March 3, 1957, right-wing extremists shot Kasztner dead. The following year, too late for him, the court verdict was reversed, suggesting that much of what was claimed against him was not correct. Leading the campaign in ensuing years to rehabilitate Kasztner was journalist and political Tommy Lapid, himself a Hungarian Jew and father of Yair Lapid, the leader of today’s Yesh Atid party.

The father of the current Foreign Minister of Israel Yair Lapid tried to rehabilitate Kasztner. But the British historian found that Kasztner was indeed guilty:

“Kasztner didn’t start out as someone evil,” says Bogdanor. “He started out as someone who wanted to rescue Jews, and before March 1944, he did rescue Jews. But when the Nazis occupied Hungary, he began negotiating with them and, very quickly, I argue, he became a collaborator.”
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The central charge made against Kasztner by the surviving Hungarian Jews was, says Bogdanor, “not just that he failed to warn them [of the Nazis’ intention]. It was that Kasztner had instructed local Jewish leadership to mislead them, and to deceive them into boarding the trains to Auschwitz. After Kasztner had visited the local communities, the leadership spread false information — which he had given them — that the Jews were going to be resettled inside Hungary. Agranat and the other judges overlooked this matter of deception.”
Bogdanor admits to being profoundly shocked by the depth and extent of what he found out about Kasztner. It would have been bad enough, he argues, if Kasztner had passively collaborated with the Nazis. But he actively collaborated, he says, taking steps to mislead both Jews inside Hungary and his Jewish contacts in the outside world.

Yair Lapid, just like his father, is wrong. There were quite a number of Jewish collaborators and some were even officers in Hitlers Wehrmacht.

The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs responded to Yair Lapid's false accusations:

Michael Elgort 🇺🇦✡️ @just_whatever - 9:18 UTC · May 3, 2022
Today Russian @mfa_Russia has officially replied on its telegram channel to @yairlapid statement that you see below and this reply deserves to be translated and posted in full. A long thread with full translation below, link to the source in the end

The complete translation of the Foreign Ministry statement is here. It says (format edited for readability):

We paid attention to the anti-historical statements of Israeli Foreign Minister Yair Lapid, which largely explain the course of the current Israeli government to support the neo-Nazi regime in Kyiv. The Israeli minister said literally the following: “The Jews did not destroy themselves during the Holocaust. Blaming Jews for antisemitism is a blatant level of racism against Jews”.

For some reason, the Western press (and some of our liberals) still argue about whether there are neo-Nazis in Ukraine. The Jewish origin of Vladimir @ZelenskyyUa is given, as one of the "reinforced concrete" arguments. The argument is not only untenable, but also crafty. History, unfortunately, knows tragic examples of cooperation between Jews and the Nazis. In Poland and other countries of Eastern Europe, the Germans appointed Jewish industrialists as heads of ghettos and Jewish councils (“Judenrats”), some of whom are remembered for absolutely monstrous deeds.
Jakub Leikin in Warsaw conducted surveillance of the Jews and reported everything to the German occupation administration, dooming his compatriots to certain, and sometimes painful death, and Chaim Rumkowski generally offered the Jews of Lodz to give their children to the Nazis in exchange for saving the lives of adult residents of the ghetto, there are many evidence of his words. It only remains to agree with H. Dreyfus a professor of history at Tel Aviv University, that the complicity of Jews in the Holocaust is a “marginal phenomenon” (but not a taboo and is the subject of research). ...

The Foreign Ministry then points to Israeli government sources which documented a big increase of antisemitism in Ukraine since the 2014 Maidan coup:

Since the coup in 2014, antisemitism has flourished in Ukraine. The report of the Minister for Relations with the Diaspora of Israel, @naftalibennett (PM now), indicates that in 2017 the number of antisemitic incidents including dozens of acts of vandalism in museums, synagogues and memorials, increased manifold in Ukraine.
Ukraine has become the leader among all the countries of the former USSR in terms of the number of antisemitic incidents, and some publications indicate that Ukraine generally surpasses all the countries of the former USSR combined in their number. One of the prominent representatives of the Jewish movement in Ukraine, Eduard Dolinsky, recently feared the termination of the activities of his organization (“Ukrainian Jewish Committee”).

There is a certain tradition of collaboration between Zionists and antisemitic people. Event the founder of the Zionist movement to establish a 'Jewish state', Theodor Herzl, was guilty of it:

[A]s the Austro-Hungarian writer Theodor Herzl was about to publish his manifesto The Jewish State in February 1896, he faced intense pressure from Vienna’s Jewish community to halt publication. Herzl rejected the pleas, published the book, and launched a movement that ultimately led to the establishment of modern Israel. Around the same time, the residents of Vienna elected an anti-Semitic mayor. To the relief of Vienna’s Jews, the emperor refused to approve Karl Lueger, but Herzl lobbied the prime minister to accept the people’s choice, arguing that boycotting the populist leader would only increase hatred of Jews.

Herzl had hoped that the installment of an anti-semitic mayor would push more Jews in Vienna towards supporting his idea of a 'Jewish state'.

Israel's arming of fascist militia in Ukraine may well have a similar motive:

Israel is keen on bringing in Ukrainian Jewish refugees for the purpose of maintaining Jewish demographic “supremacy” over the Palestinian population, academics and analysts say.

Since the outbreak of the war with Russia on February 24, the Israeli government has called on Ukrainian Jewish refugees to immigrate to Israel and removed bureaucratic hurdles to secure their arrival as quickly as possible.

“We call on the Jews of Ukraine to immigrate to Israel – your home,” Israel’s Ministry of Immigration and Absorption said in a statement on February 26.

Does that also explain why Igor Kolomoiski, the Ukrainian Jewish oligarch who lives in Israel, has financed the Azov battalion and other fascist militia in Ukraine?

Posted by b on May 4, 2022 at 10:33 UTC | Permalink

Comments

Thank you b for daring to keep the record straight. Excellent report.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2022 10:52 utc | 1

How can Nord Stream 2 cause so much?

Posted by: SailorsWife | May 4 2022 10:56 utc | 2

sailor's wife fell asleep typing, not enough Captagon? ''How can Nord Stream 2 cause so much.... wot?

Posted by: Thomas Turk | May 4 2022 11:06 utc | 3

>>I may be mistaken but Adolf Hitler had Jewish blood, too.<<

Yikes, this is an unnecessary argument that is bound to go off the rails.
Say this instead, 'racism in the U.S. remained even after Barack Obama became President.'

----- Zelensky
I'm going to throw Zelensky a lifeline. I would also push back on a requirement to de-nazify Ukraine because it is too open ended. Ask for specific things than can be measured such as, 'conclude an investigation into the Odessa massacre by date X ...'

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | May 4 2022 11:11 utc | 4

Zelensky's argument is based on a stereotype that all Jews are anti-Nazi. Not only is it false (as explained above), it's a stereotype. It implies that Jews aren't real people, because only real people can have liars and/or sociopaths among them. But calling Jews "not real people" is antisemitic. Which makes Zelensky an antisemite. But he can't be antisemite, 'cause he's a Jew. And we're back where we started.

Posted by: Juger | May 4 2022 11:17 utc | 5

I don't know who translated the Foreign Ministry statement into English, but there is one thing that could be misunderstood:"Jewish industrialists as heads of ghettos and Jewish councils (“Judenrats”)". The "Judenrats" is not Juden-rats, but Judenräte, the German plural of Rat (council)

Posted by: Outspoken | May 4 2022 11:18 utc | 6

"This means absolutely nothing. The wise Jewish people say that the most ardent anti-Semites are usually Jews.”

Exhibit (a) - George Sorros.

Posted by: APL | May 4 2022 11:25 utc | 7

I guess this just shows that assigning good or bad characteristics to people based on their religious, ethnic or racial background is not a good method of classifying people. People are people, no matter what background they come from, and that means they can be good or bad, or sometimes a little of both. One's moral character is more important than one's ethnic background and that, ultimately, one chooses for oneself.

Posted by: Manage without me | May 4 2022 11:26 utc | 8

@2 Nord Stream 2 is a sideshow. The U.S. wants the wealth of Siberia, but the price tag is nuclear Armageddon.

Posted by: par4 | May 4 2022 11:29 utc | 9

Nordstream is an important piece of the puzzle. The West intends to block Russia from selling gas to the EU.
The West wants the EU market all for itself. Further, The West intended to glom onto Ukraine resources.

So, a most of this is about power, money, control of resources. Stopping BRICS. Stopping a multipolar world. Maintaining the bombastic Full Spectrum Dominance.

Posted by: Chaka Khagan | May 4 2022 11:32 utc | 10

"The Zionist entity in Palestine"

I like that b refers to Israel in this manner, because it is a colonialist, fascist, imperialist, terrorist and illegal state. In 1947 the UN set up two commissions to study whether the UN had legal authority to partition Palestine. One of the commissions determined that the UN did not have that legal authority, but only the authority to implement the Palestine Mandate, i.e., establish a "home" for the Jews in Palestine - but not a state. The UN set that aside because of the degree of violence currently being employed by the Jewish terrorist groups like the Irgun and because England was wiping its hands from the management of Palestine as a result.

So the so-called "Israel" is merely a Zionist political entity with no legitimate reason for existing.

As for "Jewish Nazis", there were such in the American Nazi Party, to wit:
Dan Burros
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Burros

Then, of course, there's this:
The Jews in Hitler’s Military
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1996-12-24-mn-12209-story.html

LONDON —

Sustained by scholarship, peanut butter and a sense of mission, American Bryan Rigg is exploring an eerie and uncharted no man’s land of Holocaust history.

Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish heritage, some of them high-ranking officers, who fought for Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich in World War II--during the Holocaust, when the Nazis slaughtered 6 million Jews.

“Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the military with Hitler’s knowledge. The Nazis allowed these men to serve but at the same time exterminated their families,” Rigg said.

On a heady journey of personal and professional discovery, the 25-year-old Texan has talked with more than 300 of these veterans, including a handful in California. Passed along from one old soldier to another, he has crisscrossed Germany over four years, often by bicycle, sometimes sleeping in railroad stations to stretch his budget.

Rigg said he has documented the Jewish ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler’s soldiers, including two field marshals and 10 generals, “men commanding up to 100,000 troops.” In about 20 cases, soldiers of Jewish heritage were awarded the Knight’s Cross, Germany’s highest military honor, he said.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 4 2022 11:37 utc | 11

Ukraine Won the First Phase of the War - Modern Warfare DOCUMENTARY

New video from Kings and Generals youtube channel. I found it really helpful even though the narrative is obviously pro US. Ive watched a lot of their historical battles and they are pretty good.
One for the map lovers
Search youtube for it. I would just make a mess of the link

Posted by: Alogon | May 4 2022 11:37 utc | 12

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | May 4 2022 11:11 utc | 4
"I would also push back on a requirement to de-nazify Ukraine because it is too open ended. Ask for specific things than can be measured such as, 'conclude an investigation into the Odessa massacre by date X ...'"

Fuck that. Putin means "de-Nazification" and that's what Ukraine is going to get - preferably right over to Lvov.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 4 2022 11:39 utc | 13

To begin with, Zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination, according to the United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379.

Aside from that, in what possible sense is Zelensky a Jew? Does he refuse to eat pork, does he go to a synagogue on Saturday? No way Jose. In all likelihood he identifies, ethnically, as a secular Russian, as does his whole family. Ethnically Russian, politically -- opportunistically! -- Ukrainian.

Posted by: Mao Cheng Ji | May 4 2022 11:40 utc | 14

CJC #4

Throw Zelensky a lifeline? Why?

Denazification is an excellent and very measurable goal.

To hell with Zelensky. IMO he and Erdoghan are best removed from all office asap plus their grey wolves and running dogs.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 4 2022 11:40 utc | 15

Posted by: Alogon | May 4 2022 11:37 utc | 12

tl;dw If they are serious about the title, they're idiots. Russia essentially won the war in the first 48 hours by destroying Ukrainian command and control and then shaping the battlefield by their axes of assault.

Everything since then is consolidation.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 4 2022 11:42 utc | 16

Interesting that Kasztner's crime was, in essence, actively supporting the extermination of large numbers of Hungarian jews because they were not zionist; and interesting that Lapid supported him.

Posted by: BM | May 4 2022 11:44 utc | 17

https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/1.5104559

Posted by: Dutch | May 4 2022 11:44 utc | 18

I also recall reading about incidents where Zionists/Mossad colluded to harass foreign Jewish populations to encourage them to emigrate to Israel, particularly in Morocco:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/4283316

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_of_Moroccan_Jews_to_Israel

Posted by: Et Tu | May 4 2022 11:49 utc | 19

speaking of Israeli support of fascists, didn't Israel help South Africa get nuclear weapons during the time when both were world pariahs?

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 4 2022 11:58 utc | 20

Allow me to speculate further on the recent spat between Russia and Israel...

-Iran oil sales going up, filling the void of Russian oil sales going down. Also in China it seems:

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/iran-ramps-up-oil-exports-as-china-pulls-back-on-russian-oil-11651142115

-Iran threatens to strike Israel directly:

http://middleeastobserver.net/nasrallah-to-israel-from-here-on-iran-may-strike-you-back-directly/

In the context of Russia's newfound hostility towards Israel, are they trying to throw Iran a bone, promising them cover in the Middle East and Syria, in exchange for Iran not stepping too hard into Russian oil sales to China, especially now that the EU is pushing for an embargo? I can't see why not...

Posted by: Et Tu | May 4 2022 11:59 utc | 21

Lavrov is right.

How scary is the Nazi movement in Ukraine?

Just Watch Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q4GAk2Lf6M

Posted by: Dean Oneil | May 4 2022 12:02 utc | 22

>> tungsten @15, 'To hell with Zelensky. IMO he and Erdoghan are best removed from all office asap' <<

Because the guy that comes after him will be so much better? You negotiate with enemies, not friends.

What is de-Nazification, after you ban Azov, a new and improved version of them will spring up with a different name. I am not against de-Nazification, just saying that the requirements need to be spelled out and not be open ended.

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | May 4 2022 12:04 utc | 23

Interesting and history-allied take B, Lavrov is a very well-versed diplomat, who will not utter garbage for the sake of it, remembering that Russia has vast Nazi documents captured during the liberation of the former USSR. I am sure that every word he said is supported by documented proof that most Russians are familiar with.
To put it midly, being a Jew does not automatically align with being an anti-semite, but choices are made for self-preservation which erode any spect of adherence to the principle of Judaism, towards Nazism Every nationality has its fair share of the 5th column or collaborators.
It is correct to say the very people who complain of discrimination are the worst perpetrators of the act, note that not all Jews are Zionist but live under Zionist governments and political parties that are. It may seemingly be hard to expose the serious historical Jewish collaboration in the extermination of other Jews by Nazis, but it is a FACT!
Yahir Lapid has the loudest shout, interestingly his father played a role it an attempt to rehabilitate a fellow Nazi-collaborator, family shame can be disguised but not hidden. Thanks to B for informing us.
Ps The 'Red Flag Babushka' and Dedushka have been found alive and well: https://t.me/inessas100/1427

In terms of the Special Military Operation I would like to air my assumptions, Russia is preparing to lure NATO into a 'culdron'in the Ukraine by controlling all the Ukrainian logistic tentacles, rail, road, fuel, airspace and soon electricity,internet and tv broadcast(these have started in certain areas, with blocking of Ukropa tv for Russian tv- via Whosoever will enter Ukraine will then receive the 'lightning-fast response' promised by VVP This will eventually lead the rabid Polish, Romanian, Bulgarians to risk moving in and doing the job themselves which will mean they went in on their own accord. At the devastating attack, Nato will wake up from its sleep-walk and backoff. Surely what can about 50k soldiers do except poisturing?
Russia is cutting of useful logistics rail, road/bridges, airports, bases and hopefully soon the decision-making points, meaning someone in Nato will be tempted to do something stupid, as usual.

Posted by: RedBanner | May 4 2022 12:05 utc | 24

Gilbert Doctorow speculates about Lavrov's motive in causing the spat:

Lavrov’s ‘anti-Semitic’ remarks

If we go back to the very first days of Russia’s ‘special military operation,’ when they took control of the Zaporozhye nuclear power station and seized there documents relating to Ukraine’s efforts to build a ‘dirty nuclear weapon,’ the Russian Ministry of Defense announced that there were foreign enablers active there. Then the next day, unexpectedly and in great haste, Israeli Prime Minister Bennett flew to Moscow for unscheduled talks with Putin. Almost nothing was disclosed about the subject of their talks. But subsequently the foreign enablers were never identified by the Russians.

Posted by: b | May 4 2022 12:13 utc | 25

side note, Russia is quite effective at using the information it has access to to refute the arguments of its opponents. I have seen speculation that Russia knows something about the role of the CIA in the Kennedy assassination, and should release it. if it did, it would have been released by now. think about it--exposing a vast intel conspiracy to assassinate the US President to take over the US government, and cover it up, would do more than anything else to drive a stake through the heart of the intel agencies who are some of Russia's bitterest enemies.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 4 2022 12:16 utc | 26

Posted by: Et Tu | May 4 2022 11:59 utc | 21

Hostility, if you call it that way, is reactive. Russia can sell important weapons to Iran, anti-aircraft and aircraft, both need to cooperate to support Syria. The largest issue is that now the West impedes the trade of both countries, so a time may come to put an array of weapons next to the Strait of Hormuz, and issue an ultimatum: if we cannot trade, no one can, except for our friends. In other words, cargoes to enemies cannot pass. Astonishingly, resumption of the deal with Iran did not happen yet. Reuters:

WASHINGTON/PARIS/DUBAI, May 2 (Reuters) - Western officials have largely lost hope the Iran nuclear deal can be resurrected, sources familiar with the matter said, forcing them to weigh how to limit Iran's atomic program even as Russia's invasion of Ukraine has divided the big powers. [...] Biden's aides have made clear they have no plans to drop the IRGC from the list [of terrorist organizations] but have not ruled it out, saying if Tehran wants Washington to take a such step beyond strict revival of the deal, named the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) then Iran must address U.S. concerns outside the deal.
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The "extra demands" are basically that USA does not impose sanctions on Iran claiming other reasons, e.g. maintaining IRGC. Such sanction abrogate the value of JCPOA to Iran. USA still wants to "isolate" Iran, Russia and China at the same time.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 4 2022 12:16 utc | 27

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | May 4 2022 12:04 utc | 23

you negotiate with the puppetmaster, not the puppet. Zelensky is just another puppet.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 4 2022 12:17 utc | 28

Posted by: b | May 4 2022 12:13 utc | 25

wow, I didn't even think of the possibility of Israeli agents at the time, since Israel was nominally neutral, but that makes perfect sense.

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 4 2022 12:19 utc | 29

The setting up of the state of Israel was very much a racist, right wing, 'fascist' thing. Israel exists for 'the right kind of Jews', certainly not for every Jew. Would Hitler be allowed to become an Israeli citizen ? The evidence suggests, yes.
Always remember: USS Liberty

Posted by: Robert Wursthaus | May 4 2022 12:23 utc | 30

Many jews claim that the jewish people were those that had to suffer most from the Nationalsozialistische Partei Deutschlands and their leaders.
This is definitively not true.
The NPD was founded as german socialistic party of the german workers.Their main opponent was the communism that was coming in person of people like Thälmann. Just read or listen to the availlable speeches of that time. Much of their action and wording can seen today in left and far left (all socialistic based) parties. Do "labor movement, tax the rich, minimum wage, rent cap, end of unemployment" sound familiar to you?
Later they decided to make the jews responsible for financing communism and hence fighting the bare existence of germany.
It was all a horrible loss of lives, but where the jews claim to have more than 6 million dead people on their sinde, the russian communists unopposed have more than 20 million dead people to cry over.
So if one says that a Nazi is defined by his mindset towards jews he makes a big mistake. A Nazi is defined by his totalitarian and socialistic self-perception and his mindset regarding communism and the jewish people.
This misinterpretation was in my opinion actively promoted by jewish groups.

Posted by: mac | May 4 2022 12:23 utc | 31

Mr Yair Lapis as Israeli Foreign Minister might do well to study the history of the Zionist settler movement's relations with the outside world in the years before World War II and the founding of Israel in 1948. During the 1930s when Nazi German discrimination and harassment of Jewish-owned businesses and other actions against Jews and Jewish communities became known outside Germany, American Jewish organisations called for a global boycott of Nazi Germany. The Zionists in Palestine opposed such calls and continued to trade with Nazi Germany.

Posted by: Jen | May 4 2022 12:24 utc | 32

@Juger #5:

Zelensky's argument is based on a stereotype that all Jews are anti-Nazi.

It’s also based on the stereotype that the Nazis only hated and persecuted the Jews. The Nazis have worked 3 million Soviet POWs to death in their camps. They have starved 632 thousand Soviet civilians to death during the Siege of Leningrad (including Putin’s elder brother). In total, 18 million Soviet civilians have were killed during WW2. Was that not a genocide? It was. Do the Russians have the right to resist the resurgence of Nazi ideas just as much as the Jews? They do. But for Israel, as long as the Nazis of today are focusing 95% of their hate on the Russians, it’s all fine and dandy.

Posted by: S | May 4 2022 12:25 utc | 33

@ Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 4 2022 12:16 utc | 27

I forgot to mention also, given Turkey has now blocked its airspace to Russia, securing the collaboration of Iran (and consequently Iraq) may have resulted in some quid pro quo to guarantee ongoing Russian access to Syria? No such thing as a free lunch even among 'friends', since there is no such thing in geopolitics, only common interests...

Posted by: Et Tu | May 4 2022 12:26 utc | 34

It strikes me that early Zionist passive support for/active collaboration with National Socialism was "accelerationist" in character. Zionists had to motivate Jews to move to Palestine and had to justify the necessity of the creation of a purely Jewish state. Nazis wanted Jews out of Germany and were rabid anti-semites. Zionists used Nazi ideology and activity as a way of accelerating the contradictions and conflicts that, in their minds, would pave the way for Israel.

Zionists clearly saw the creation of a Jewish State as the most important goal, long term, for the Jewish people. If allowing and/or enabling the murder of innocent Jews in Europe helped advance that primary goal, then Zionists were going to allow and enable this.

Posted by: WJ | May 4 2022 12:27 utc | 35

Sorry for the misspellings above. Fast fingers ...
Anyway, Lawrov definitely has all rights to talk about "Nazis". He must not get an allowance for this by those who believe they have the sovereignty of interpretation over the term Nazi.
They have not ...

Posted by: mac | May 4 2022 12:28 utc | 36

It was a dumb trap lavrov fell into would have been easier to have just said people do a lot of things for money so a Jew working for Nazi’s not impossible if he’s compensated enough.

As for Nazi’s hiring a Jew well maybe they see it as a way to cover their beliefs to outsiders

Should have just said that.

Posted by: P1 | May 4 2022 12:28 utc | 37

"Even the founder of the Zionist movement to establish a 'Jewish state', Theodor Herzl, was guilty of it..."

One more point. A portrait of Theodor Herzl is in the New York Times Editorial Board meeting room. This portrait was visible on the wall in the photo shoot accompanying Bernie Sanders' "interview" with the NY Times editorial board in the 2020 primary season.

Posted by: WJ | May 4 2022 12:30 utc | 38

Posted by: b | May 4 2022 12:13 utc | 25

What is your comment on the other matter Gilbert Doctorow raised in that post, that the Ukrainian Ambassador insulted Olaf Scholz by calling him an "offended liver sausage" and his suggestion that it may be an attempt to egg on the potential dumping of Scholz by his colleagues?

Posted by: BM | May 4 2022 12:35 utc | 39

JEWISH BLOOD?
Is that Jordon and Canaan DNA or Khazar DNA.
Is being Jewish a race or a religion?

Posted by: GEORGE M CHAMBERLAIN | May 4 2022 12:41 utc | 40

@P1, @37

I disagree. Your definition makes it sound like a Nazi is necessarily someone who wants to destroy Jews. That's not the case, as there are neoNazis in Israel who want to destroy enemies of the Jews. And, in Ukraine, the Nazis want to destroy people they do not consider racially pure, in their case, the Russian speaking Ukrainians.

In other words, there is a persecution of people based on their racial or ethnic heritage by the Nazis who believe themselves to be superior in those aspects to their victims.

Posted by: Manage without me | May 4 2022 12:42 utc | 41

Impressive article. Thanks.

Posted by: D J G | May 4 2022 12:51 utc | 42

For me it’s a big distraction and non-discussion. The original words by Lavrov have been twisted and what is published Israel and rag papers like the NYT can’t be taken serious.

Lavrov in esclusiva su "Zona Bianca": "Russia non ha mai smesso dialogo per evitare Guerra Mondiale" | "L'Italia in prima fila contro di noi, una sorpresa negativa"

https://www.tgcom24.mediaset.it/mondo/lavrov-in-esclusiva-su-zona-bianca-russia-non-ha-mai-smesso-dialogo-per-evitare-guerra-mondiale_49548127-202202k.shtml

Just a few weeks ago in speech before the Knesset …

Zelensky compares the current war in Ukraine to the Holocaust, saying that "our people are now wandering the world and looking for a place the same way that you once wandered."

Zelensky strikes the wrong note to bring Knesset to his side - analysis | JPost |

Just wondering which Ten Commandments he carries down the mountain from Joe's Place.

As far as being Jewish, leave it to the Rabbis to argue their religion.

The heritage of genocidal Hitler is proven beyond scientific doubt he has lineage to North African Arabs or Semites …

A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b1 which showed up in their samples is rare in Western Europe and is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews ...

Y-DNA Research Studies of Rabbinical Lineages and Their Importance to Jewish Genealogy

Posted by: Oui | May 4 2022 12:53 utc | 43

Jen@32, The Zionists in Palestine refused the calls of Jesus, to stop trading with the Romans.....they enabled the occupation for mammon.....and we know how that turned out.

Love that yesterday, name I forgot, a Russians diplomat (at the Saker) stated that Russia is fighting the US, the UK and, drum roll, The Forces Occupying Palestine.
I'd use the 'I' word, but like a name that should never be spoken I refuse to legitimize the entity by calling it by its 1948 UN mandated name. Everyone who cares, whose heart aches with every Palestinian death, be it man, woman, child, or cripple in a wheelchair, should strive to delegitimize evil where ever it raises it's ugly Apartheid head.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 4 2022 13:04 utc | 44

Poor old Israel having extracted so much from Germany under Adenauer because of Hans Globke and the need to keep Eichmann quiet at trial, Germany funded Israel's atomic bomb. The "compensation" paid to Holocaust victims/survivors was seized by the State of Israel to fund infrastructure. The steady flow of Dolphin submarines and inflated leasing costs for Israeli drones, and now Iron Dome, all as penance for German guilt and the convenience of blaming it all on the Extra-Terrestrials "the Nazis"

Now it goes full circle. Having created a new secular religion for The West where the crucifixion of one Jew is replaced by the liquidation of many and the penance is owed by Goyim to Jews, especially Jews in Israel - the State of Israel has been rumbled manufacturing weapons in Ukraine and training/staffing Neo-Nazi units to fight Russian-speakers.

Moreover, Israel home to 2-3 million Russians, has been killing Russians in Syria and flirting with Azerbaijan and now thinks it is enough to say "Jews do not kill Jews" - which is unfortunate since so many Jewish gangsters have been safe from extradition in Israel whether Meyer Lansky or more recent crooks whether trading diamonds illegally or running drug-dealing and extortion and bank fraud elsewhere - must be a lot of FBI Wanted at home there.

All Lavrov did was to state it was perfectly feasible for Jews to do evil to Jews and to turn a blind eye to Goyim doing evil to Jews. Seems unremarkable as a statement, so why did Lapid, former journalist, former TV anchor get so worked up when Benny Gantz, former Chief of Israeli Gen Staff thought it more prudent to be nice to Russian military - especially in Syria.

Putin is so accommodating to Israel, almost like that Shabbat Goy Donald Trump in failing to hold Israel to account as any other nation would be held to account.

Whoever Adolf Hitler had as sperm donor to his grandmother is unknown, but it is quite possible he may have been Jewish, and why not ? Lenin was part-Jewish, Blokhin who murdered the Officers at Katyn was Jewish, so it is hard to exclude the possibility that Jews procreate outside wedlock.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 4 2022 13:06 utc | 45

@ sean the leprechaun | May 4 2022 13:04 utc | 44

I blow hot and cold on the "I" word. On the one hand, I avoid it, preferring Occupied Palestine, because I don't want to legitimize that entity with its chosen name. On the other hand, the Israel of Genesis, born Jacob, after whom that entity is named, exploited his brother and deceived his father. A liar, cheat, and fraud. What a role model!

Posted by: malenkov | May 4 2022 13:08 utc | 46

I may be mistaken but Adolf Hitler had Jewish blood, too. Lavrov

Unfortunately this is a bad argument, because here Lavrov is actually mistaken. The hypothesis that Hitler had jewish ancestors is called the "Frankenberger thesis", and is considered refuted among historians.

My kind of answer would instead have been something like: "It is a matter of fact that e.g. Azov and Aidar consist of Neo-Nazis and are running around with Nazi symbols. The Azov flag shows a SS symbol - the "Wolfsangel". There are pictures of SBU personel with "SS Galizien" on their uniform. Ask not me (Lavrov) how this goes together with Zelensky being a Jew, instead ask Zelensky how he can accept things like that."

Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | May 4 2022 13:10 utc | 47

**Wrong, b, wrong**

It is all in the court records of the State of Israel.

Your post says:"But thousands more continued on the doomed path to Auschwitz."
It was **hundreds of thousands** not thousands. Hundreds of thousands!

And this is really wrong: "The following year, too late for him, the court verdict was reversed, suggesting that much of what was claimed against him was not correct."
[Holy Smokes, b !]

The first trial found against the collaborating Kastner and his organization (horrifically named "The Jewish Rescue Committee").
As the government lost the first case they decided to kick the matter upstairs so it could be white washed, to the Supreme Court of Israel.
A five judge panel at the supreme court, two said "guilty, guilty". The deciding judge is infamously quoted as saying,
the Jews of Hungary weren't worth saving! (Horrific but true, read the records).
And to the point, "suggesting that much of what was claimed against him was not correct". That is NOT what was decided by
the Supreme Court of Israel. They did **not** judge that Kastner (Kasztner) did not collaborate in full knowledge and trick hundreds of thousands
onto the trains, they declared that ***it was alright for him to do it*** !!

The Attorney General of Israel, for that is who represented Kastner, argued that Kastner had a plan to subsequently rescue from the camps
those that he and his fellow collaborators had previously tricked onto the trains. He also argued that all [False!!] the strong young men
capable of resisting the Nazis had been sent away to work camps, thus resistance was futile and it was better to collaborate and save those
that they could. For three of the five judges these two arguments were enough to follow thru and white wash the collaborators.

You also don't mention the Nuremberg Trials. Kastner presented himself at the Nuremberg Trials as someone who worked for the government
of the State of Israel. He testified on behalf of several of the Nazis he had worked with in Hungary and got them a walk!

There is much more.

One more. The Nazis had the people arriving at Auschwitz sign post cards simply saying, "I have arrived".
The so-called Jewish Rescue Committee had tricked people into believing that they were getting on the trains
and relocating to a place of safety. Once they arrived in Auschwitz they put their signature to the
back of the postcards unaware of what was on the other side. The other side of the post cards suggested they
were being mailed from a place of safety. Those postcards were later distributed by the Jewish Rescue Committee to
relatives back in Hungary so that they too would go like sheep onto the trains. The Jewish Rescue Committee acted
in full knowledge of Auschwitz.

Posted by: librul | May 4 2022 13:12 utc | 48

Posted by: BM | May 4 2022 12:35 utc | 39

I have stated once before on here Melnyk is the descendant of one of the founders of OUN. Melnyk as Ambassador laid a wreath on the grave of Stefan Bandera.

Melnyk is uncouth and arrogant and possibly deranged. He would never have dared utter such things about any previous German Chancellor. Scholz is weak and the front page of today's Daily Mail revels in German humiliation. Scholz should have kicked Melnyk out immediately and told Baerbock to follow him if she objected.

Persona Non Grata is the term. Germany expels Russian diplomats and not one has ever made statements like Melnyk. The arrogance of Ukrainians shows what kind of PWT has been cultivated and fostered.

Scholz will not be toppled. His government though will disintegrate. Yesterday after the Klausur - Habeck sounded frightened and Lindner looked shifty. Someone presented very very bad forecasts of mass-unemployment and civil disorder. Germany is going to be in turmoil by October and this regime in Berlin will be disintegrating

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 4 2022 13:14 utc | 49

William Burns secret visit to Jeddah and Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman for a diplomatic reset. Biden is ousted from OPEC-Plus.

The Russian oligarchs have found a new place of pleasure in the Emirates: Dubai living and real estate investment.

Russian Oligarchs In The VAR: “Dubai Doesn’t Ask Questions”

https://globeecho.com/news/europe/germany/russian-oligarchs-in-the-var-dubai-doesnt-ask-questions/

In the West, the accounts of Russian oligarchs are being frozen, villas and yachts are being confiscated. Such sanctions do not apply in the Emirates: here you can go on a shopping spree without worrying, the airspace is open to Russian jets. If you buy a property for 1.4 million, you get a five-year visa.

The new PM from Pakistan had a 3-day visit in Saudi capital Riyadh to secure economic and political ties. The Saudis and Iranians are in a period of negotiations to settle long-time differences. Common principle: oust America in the Middle East and the attempt by Biden de create a NATO affiliate with Israel as center-piece. Troubled waters after the recent Al Aqsa mosque attacks by settlers and Kahane followers.

Posted by: Oui | May 4 2022 13:15 utc | 50

Thank you B for this good article.
It is no big secret that Jews are human like any other and that among them there are many, despite the intimidation in the West where every expression is dissected to find the slightest "anti-Sémitisme", forgetting that Arabs and Palestinians are Semites too.
It is enough to read "Being without Destiny" by Imre Kertesz, a concentration camp survivor and winner of the Nobel Prize in Literature, to find out.By the way, there were many condemnations by the Jews when this novel was awarded, but that was before wokism...
Thanks to you for helping us to remain normal people with a thinking brain in this tide of propaganda madness.

Posted by: moderato cantabile | May 4 2022 13:16 utc | 51

Posted by: GEORGE M CHAMBERLAIN | May 4 2022 12:41 utc | 40

Is being Jewish a race or a religion?

The fact that almost nobody gets this is evidence of how deeply the Zionist brainwashing has entrenched itself in the Western psyche.

They have convinced even the smartest of us to believe that a religion, through means of magical genetic transmutation, can stamp upon human DNA little Stars of David and confer upon them a direct link to the original Hebrews ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 4 2022 13:28 utc | 52

Lol @ all the Lavorov should have said this and should have said that, Lavarov said exactly what he did and did it for a reason.
He's throwing a cat among the pigeons both for the "Zionist Entity" behind every War for the last 400 years including this one (besides owning almost every Central Bank, Financial Institution, Media outlet etc etc on the planet) but also for the adherents of National Socialism in Ukraine and around the world ie maybe its all a jewish trick? Divide and conquer very simple, the fact jews worldwide are Oy Veying so loud over such a statement almost proves to unbiased onlookers that something very nefarious is going on with jewish power and outlining their constant entwinement with Global War, Genocide, Manipulation, Deception/Lies etc, the louder they squeal the more people will wake up and pay attention - well played Lavarov.

Posted by: Kell | May 4 2022 13:33 utc | 53

Please see the map, that's what this Ukraine conflict is all about, khazars want to revive khanate. Download from Zlib-200 years together,Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Posted by: Anon | May 4 2022 13:35 utc | 54

Posted by: Oui | May 4 2022 12:53 utc | 43

A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b1 which showed up in their samples is rare in Western Europe and is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews ...
Y-DNA Research Studies of Rabbinical Lineages and Their Importance to Jewish Genealogy

I call b.s on all those studies that find so conveniently something that is needed to justify an obvious lie. I bet all those DNA studies were authored by Jews or under Jewish authority. Conflict of Interest.

I think Gideon Levy's (an Ashkenazi Jew) account of his own complete lack of semitic DNA is closer to the truth:

The first revelation, and the most important of all, struck me like a bolt of lightning. Unequivocally, definitively, no words spared. A huge headline across the full width of the screen: Gideon, your DNA suggests that 100 percent of your origin is Jewish-Ashkenazi. In other words, a 100 percent racially pure Ashkenazi Jew. An end to all doubts. Thank you, Mom, thank you, Dad, for bringing me to this day. You preserved the purity of our Ashkenazi blood, no gentile blood has mingled with it. All 248 organs and 365 tendons of my body – according to our people’s sages – are Jewish and Ashkenazi. Who will be able to accuse me of anti-Semitism now? I’m just a self-hating Jew.
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Hope remained from my father’s line; in his haplogroup, the picture is different. It’s the R-CTS6 group, says the report, “that traces back to a man who lived less than 6,000 years ago. That’s nearly 240.0 generations ago!” Duh. But again, astonishingly, there’s not a trace of the Land of Israel in my ancestors’ journeys in the past 275,000 years. They never saw it, not even through binoculars. It’s the definite end of my Zionism. My deep connection with the Land of Israel faded in an instant and became nonexistent. Justice was with the Palestinians, and BDS will triumph. In this new situation, the only option is to become post-Zionist.

My parents and my grandparents had no previous connection with Palestine/Land of Israel. My paternal forebears moved from East Africa to Europe via the Caucasus. “The[se] people of the steppes were the first to domesticate horses, nearly 6,000 years ago,” the report states. An honor. We were also the first to develop and use weapons made of bronze. I’d always suspected as much. The members of this lineage live today in Ukraine, in Russia and in Eastern Europe. One-third of Norwegian men and a quarter of British men are also in the R-M512 group, an offshoot of my primary paternal haplogroup. “Additionally,” I read, the R-N512 haplogroup “is still relatively common in the Middle East, as well as in Central and South Asia where it reaches levels of up to 60 percent among the Kyrgyz and the Tajiks.”

(https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-gideon-levy-s-dna-test-reveals-the-truth-about-his-ancestors-link-to-israel-1.7279258)

As for that "North African" hint of heritage claimed for Hitler, I'd follow the trail of an African slave woman who might have had a dalliance with a white German master in Germany's early colonial days ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 4 2022 13:36 utc | 55

Excellent post, b. To me the kernel of Minister Lavrov's answer are the first three sentences: "It makes no difference to me what President Vladimir Zelensky refutes or does not refute. He is as fickle as the wind, as they say. He can change his position several times a day."

Indeed who cares what the spoiled child of the West (Israel), as a Turkish minister aptly describes the Israeli apartheid regime, thinks. Sometimes the Zionists often forget that they cannot bully the whole world the way they bully the collective West.

Posted by: Steve | May 4 2022 13:38 utc | 56

People are considered "Jewish" born when at least their mother is/was Jewish. After they can be religious, non-religious or whatever. The only other option is voluntary conversion to Judaism. Its a matrilineal DNA thing.

That way Hitler was not a proper Jew. Zelensky might be, not clear if his mother Rimma Zelenska was Jewish. https://www.jpost.com/j-spot/article-699073

Lavrov was right to say that Hitler had some Jewish blood, but he didn't say that he was Jewish.

Sociopaths and psychopaths make 3% of any population, so H or Z being labeled Jewish is irrelevant.

Posted by: Antonym | May 4 2022 13:39 utc | 57

Posted by: Kell | May 4 2022 13:33 utc | 53

He's throwing a cat among the pigeons both for the "Zionist Entity"

That's the impression I got. After all, the man is an accomplished diplomat, he would have known this would have set off a firestorm.

That's why he carefully covered his a** with:

I may be mistaken but ...

Probably so that he could gracefully bow out of the argument with an "oops, my bad" at any time.

One can only wonder what he was trying to accomplish here ... I await in anticipation and watch the master at work!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 4 2022 13:41 utc | 58

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 4 2022 13:14 utc | 49

Link for that claim? He does share a last name (and a first name) with the leader of OUN-M, but Melnyk translates to "miller" so it's not like he has an uncommon name. The OUN Melnyk was exfiltrated to the US after WWII but ended up back in Europe. The ambassador was born in the USSR. They may be related by blood but that's going to require some proof. On the other hand, they're definitely related by ideology.

Posted by: Lex | May 4 2022 13:41 utc | 59

The quad-nexus of Zionism US/UK and Ukraine junta/Israel are working together. US foreign policy has been hijacked to further the Zionist agenda. It was noted in Sputnik yesterday that Zelensky is being advised by Likud PR people. They have declared that the “brilliant” PR war has already been won no matter what transpires on the ground. Ukraine is wanted by the Zionists as a second Israel, a place of refuge should a new Middle East war break out. They are cynically provoking Russia hoping for a full on destructive war which will ethnically cleanse the area of Slavs. They will then demand US and EU pay for reconstruction of the new Zionist entity. The new entity will join the EU and subvert it as they have subverted the US and UK. The big question is however, was the COVID pandemic and the stolen US 2020 election pieces of this Zionist agenda? The pandemic enabled the election to be stolen and the new Biden junta immediately began a war on Ukraine.

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 4 2022 13:41 utc | 60

@Arch Bungle @52

Is being Jewish a race or a religion?

I had a Jewish friend who said that Judaism was "a way of life".

Posted by: Manage without me | May 4 2022 13:44 utc | 61

Posted by: pretzelattack | May 4 2022 11:58 utc | 20

... didn't Israel help South Africa get nuclear weapons during the time when both were world pariahs?

Indeed they did. I remember being in the country at the time. The Pelindaba reactor and some hidden facilities in the wilderness.

A trail of research suggests an Israeli-South African member of the Jewish community who might have shared nuclear technology with the A.Q Khan network ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 4 2022 13:47 utc | 62

@Arch Bungle, @55

Slave blood in an Austrian? I don't think that the Austro-Hungarian Empire had any non-European colonies.

Or even a German slave master prior to 1850 (Hitler was born around 1890 so his father would have been born in 1850 so any ancestor would have been born before that)? I don't think Germany had any colonies prior to 1870 and the child would have had to be brought to Germany to continue the line? ridiculous. I think you've been watching Roots

Posted by: Manage without me | May 4 2022 13:48 utc | 63

Posted by: Manage without me | May 4 2022 13:44 utc | 61

I had a Jewish friend who said that Judaism was "a way of life".

So, like Buddhism then, but without the genital mutilation.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 4 2022 13:49 utc | 64

Putin's 'Empire of Lies' kill shot of the century is beginning to reverberate, permeating all aspects of the current world crisis. This particular spat has the potential to evolve into a major, versus a minor, reverberation. Remains to be seen.

International and political Jewry, foment, foster and exploit 'anti-semitism,' one of the foundations of which is the Holycause narrative which has been milked for all it is worth for decades now. Arguing about which parts of it are true and which false is a fruitless exercise (not to mention also unlawfully made illegal in many western jurisdictions) but suffice to say that in every aspect of that narrative whopping great lies have been exposed at which point the narrative picks up, regroups and moves onto the next iteration. First it was mass execution by electrocution or mechanical skull-penetrating hammers, or diesel-fume chambers. Nope. Then it was in all the camps in Germany. Nope, not one. Then it was nearly all of them in Auschwitz. Nope. Now I believe it is nearly all of them in Treblinka despite three (?) earth-analysis studies scientifically proving there are no mass graves. I stopped following the narrative about 20 years ago soon after the Irving trial (whose transcripts I read along with both of the Zundel trials which latter featured extensive cross examination of experts like Hilberg and eyewitnesses like Vrba, both of whose core narratives were essentially destroyed on the witness stand by lawyer Christie), but perhaps the latest theory is that all the ashes of all the many millions were dumped into a river and so can never be recovered (leaving aside the hundreds of millions of bone fragments that would also have been included therein).

In other words, though it is hard to prove definitely exactly what did happen in that narrative, it has been definitively proven, as even Yad Vashem admits in many cases, that much of the narrative is made up of outrageous lies, many of which were used in post-war trials to get the death sentence.

This also means that our collective sense of 'Nazis' is warped beyond repair. Our history of WWII is warped beyond repair. Our ability to process what has been going on with the Zionist political project for so long is warped beyond repair. Our ability to analyze what is going on with all these neocons seemingly governing US foreign - and perhaps also much of domestic 'identity politics' including 'wokeism' - is warped beyond repair. Our ability to analyse and discuss how all these Nazi groups developed in Ukraine financed by one or more Jewish oligarchs is warped beyond repair.

Maybe. Maybe one of the principal results of this 'Special Military Operation' whose stated goals include 'demilitarization and denazification' will be the exposure of the world-obfuscation tissue of subterfuge and corruption holding together this vast Empire of Lies, the principal role of the SMO being to attract all its defenders into a military cauldron now waiting with open arms, like a mouth, along the upper, middle and lower parts of South Eastern Ukraine.

In any case, b has done well - and bravely so - to highlight this particular spat and with such a well-presented article in so doing. Thank you. Because unless and until much of the deception behind the Jewish hold on Western culture and its core institutions is more widely perceived and understood, the Empire of Lies will continue as such with all its captive people unable to push back against it. And these captive people include most regular Jews who themselves are as much a victim of these pernicious self-victimizing and hate-engendering narratives as the general population in their various host countries. Letting go of these deception-based quasi-religious, faith-based fundamentalist narratives will liberate us all and pave the way for a genuinely new world order.

So one consummation of this SMO in Ukraine might well prove to be the liberation of all captive western peoples whose governments right now seem to be doing everything they can to undermine their civilization and make their peoples' daily lives unstable, uncertain and worst of all, without meaning.

"A consummation devoutly to be wished."

Posted by: Scorpion | May 4 2022 13:49 utc | 65

Posted by: P1 | May 4 2022 12:28 utc | 37

It was a dumb trap lavrov fell ... Should have just said that.

Why? What are the consequences? Is he going to lose his job, perhaps his life?

Based on how far this goes, we're going to find out just how deep the Zionist 5th column goes in the Russian state.

Lavrov has made himself the coal mine canary ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 4 2022 13:52 utc | 66

Posted by: Christian J. Chuba | May 4 2022 12:04 utc | 23

Chuba brings up a good point: be specific. Good approach in any negotiation/proposal/plan.

Bottom line, the Russians don't need our advice but I very much appreciate and value the thoughts of b and barflies, an impressive group of humans that gives me hope. Chuba's comments help me make sense out of whatever we're studying. Others as well.

Re: b's post is another bullseye, thank you. Fascist tendencies are in each of us. That's why it's essential to have a spiritual/psychological practice that is based on self-reflection, humility, willingness to listen, courage to stand up for what we believe.

Groups/cliques that feed fascist tendencies are universal: militaries, fraternities, street gangs, KKK, head choppers, zionists, Nazis, Democrats, LGBTs, Republicans... I think that's what Lavrov was pointing to. The arguement that Zelensky cannot be a Nazi/fascist because he is Jewish is ridiculous and just exposes the immaturity and hollowness of the western fairy tale which is falling apart rapidly.

Posted by: migueljose | May 4 2022 13:54 utc | 67

I have a problem with the term "collaborator". It is an accusatory word of condemnation. Were the many Europeans that welcomed and helped the Germans that saved them supposed to have let the Jewish Bolsheviks murder them too, as they had murdered millions of Ukrainians and others prior to the war while the communists British and American allies covered up what they had done? Wouldn't anybody welcome people who had rescued them, even as the Jews British and American collaborators call the Jews victims "NAZIS"?

In 2008, prior to the Jews taking over the Ukrainian government, Ukraine's Security Service (SBU) published a list, accusing Jews of murdering millions of Ukrainians in the 1930's. Here is a major Jewish media outlet complaining about the accusation.

https://www.jta.org/2008/07/27/default/list-blames-jews-for-ukrainian-famine

But it wasn't only Ukrainians, Latvians, Estonians and Belarussians that were grateful for being saved from Judeo-Bolshevism. Many Russians welcomed their German saviors too. Norwegian academic Johannes Due Enstad has written a paper– Many Russians (in addition to Ukrainians, Byelorussians, Estonians, Laviansn and others) hoped that Hitler would free them from Stalin and Judeo-Bolshevism.

https://www.hf.uio.no/ilos/english/research/news-and-events/news/2018/many-russians-hoped-that-hitler-would-free-them-fr.html

You may have to address your claims that Auschwitz was a site of mass murder someday soon too. The story behind that accusation is shot thru with lies and many people around the world, including experts that have researched it have concluded it is the biggest hoax (multiple lies) in history. The fact that they admit that they lied about the number of so called victims for about 45 years after the war ended only exposes the Auschwitz lie more. Around 1990, about 45 years after the war the sign at Auschwitz that claimed 4 million people were murdered there was replaced by a sign that said 1.1 million people were murdered there, still without any evidence. Many historians say almost no one was murdered there. It was a work camp in which many people died of disease because allied bombers destroyed Germany's means of transportation and lifesaving pharmaceuticals couldn't make it to the camp.

In 1943 those that were not murdered by the Jewish Bolsheviks joined the Germans to fight for their lives. Lviv, Ukraine (known as Lemberg when it was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire) welcomes the German army and young Ukrainian men join the fight (they formed the Galicia division) to fight against the people that had only recently killed millions of their people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ13bj7NpqY&t=1s

Posted by: Peter | May 4 2022 14:00 utc | 68

Here is Sergey Glazyev Summarizing the RUS vs West+UKR Situations:

http://thesaker.is/sergey-glazyev-for-those-who-still-dont-understand/

He does not mention the Khazari-Ashkenazi Jewish-Tribal Participants in this Narrative.

However, in order to discuss this conflict of Russia, Ukraine, Bandera-Nazi, NATO/EU on a Grand Scale, the Differing GeoPolitial WorldViews and Political/Religious/Ethnic/Commercial Hostilities of Key Participants need to be Addressed.

The Bandera-Nazi are Owned by the Khazari-Ashkenazi Jewish-Tribal Cabal in UKR.

Kolomoiskyy OWNS Biden(Burisma), Zelenskyy (TV), Bandera-Nazi(Security+Muscle); and also Allegedly Pillaged Millions of UKRanians in a Banking Scheme.

The Bandera-Nazi were used in the Attemped Ethnocidal Removal of Russian-Speakers from their Oblasts because of the Khazari-Ashkenazi Jewish-Tribals' Coup of Kiev. Kiev was overthrown by Nudelman-Khagan & Company(Soros-Schwartz) with Bandera-Nazi Running the Violence because RUS offered a much better Econ Aide Pkg for UKR. Observing the Noted Jewish-Tribal Cabal Running Kiev afterwards.

Khazar-Ashkenazi Jewish-Tribals took over the Control of Modern UKRanian Rendition of the Old Khazar Kingdom-Khaganate - Home of the Khazari-Ashkenazi Jewish Converts.

Then the Khazari-Ashkenazi resumed their Centuries-Long Ethnic War vs European Powers - featuring RUS; and the Bandera-Nazi were used to Kill Off Russian-Ethnics.

The Khazari-Ashkenazi Cabal couldn't Kill Russians Ethnics Off Openly and Directly in UKR, because the Cabal+Oligarchy+RegularTribals would get Run Out of UKR+RUS.

Zelenskyy said that he wanted to make UKR into a "Greater ISR" - perhaps he meant Part of "The Greater ISR of Jerusalem". With Jewish-Tribals - including Jewish-Ethnic-Christians having a small portion of the Population Demographics - they can't have Russian Ethics living in the Eastern Oblasts to make UKR under Khazar-Ashkenazi Control.

So we can say that Kolomoiskyy, who owns Biden, Zelenskyy, and Bandera-Nazi - alongside Schumer/Blinken/Nudelman-Khagan are using the UKRanian Armed Forces Integrated with Bandera-Nazi Militia , NATO/EU Military Advisors/Special Forces/Mercs/Conscript s, MIC Weapons Shipments, and NATO/EU/AngloMurican_Colonies+Vassals Economic Sanctions - in order to Destroy/Partition/Exploit Russia.

Nudelman-Khagan, Kolomoiskyy, Blinken, and Zelenskyy have Killed Thousands of Ethnic Russians in UKR; and are desperately trying to Conquer Russia.

This has become a "Jewish-Tribals vs Russian" War mixed within this BidenQuest. Jewish-Tribals in AngloMurica, NATO, EuroZone, their Vassals/Colonies, and in UKR have Killed Russians for the Destruction+Conquest of Russia.

GBRits and Jewish-Tribal Schiff helped JPN along during the Russo-Jpnese War. The Russian Defeat and following Econ Problems, WWI, Jewish-Tribal-Staffed BOLSHEVIKS - collapsed the Old Russian Empire.

This War Racket has been Played Before.

Makes NO SENSE to have Jewish-Tribals continuing to live in RUS; and the "Anti-Semitism" Accusations don't work here.

Misters Putin and Lavrov, and the Russian Duma should Officially Designate all Jewish-Tribals in RUS to be "De Facto Jewish-Citizens"(many are, have emigrated, or visit/have homes there); and provide incentives for them to peacefully move - Permanently - to ISR.

Tall Fences make for Good Neighbors, Tall Borders and Immigration Policies make for Good Neighboring Nation-States. The Khazari-Ashkenazi Jewish-Tribal Cabal in the USA and UKR just Ruined the Livelihood and Residence of Jewish-Tribals in RUS - and possibly in CHN, IND, Asia, and other Lands going Forward. Nudelman-Khagan's "Fπ¢k the EU" and these Sanctions she's Spearheading/Advocating may get more Jewish driven out of Europe.

Blinded by Ethnic-Hatred, Ethnociding Innocents. Soon to be Despised by All.

Self-Inflicted.

Posted by: IronForge | May 4 2022 14:05 utc | 69

I can't see any situation where Israel has a leg to stand on, whilst its screams of anti-Semitism in all walks of life, Israeli's for over seventy-years have been systematically committing atrocities against the people of Palestine, such is the barbarity of Israeli's over the decades to Palestinians that the UN has issued more Resolutions against Israel than any other country.

Yet the West embraces this murderous and oppressive regime, it has access to its footballing tournaments, its song contests its political bodies and much more, whilst the people of Palestine continue to be killed and oppressed, their children are also abused, and menaced with Dutch trained dogs.

Why is Ursula von der Leyen, or Joe Biden or Boris Johnson, not shouting about this, and why do they let this slaughter continue, why hasn't Nato or the EU attacked Israel or funneled copious amounts of weapons to the Palestinians, the hypocrisy from the West and Israel for that matter is breathtaking.

Why hasn't Facebook or Instagram suspended their hate crime rules to allow the killing of Israeli's as they have with Russians, why hasn't Liz Truss called for people to take up arms and head to Israel to fight the Israeli's as she has with Russians. Why haven't severe sanction been placed on Israel, why haven't Israel's foreign assets been seized, as they have with Russians, why haven't Israeli's around Europe been spurned and had their properties damaged as Russians in Europe have.

Why has the West stood by for over seventy-years and watched as Israel slowly kills and removes an entire nation of people.

Israel for all intensive purposes is an oppressive apartheid military occupying regime, that is still committing acts against humanity and are crimes with the people of Palestine in mind, for many they ARE the Nazi's the bad guys for what they've done and will continue to do to the oppressed people of Palestine.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 4 2022 14:06 utc | 70

Screw Israel and the Empire of Lies it rode in on.

Posted by: gottlieb | May 4 2022 14:12 utc | 71

@Peter my guy I felt like I lost quite a lot of braincells after reading that disgusting Nazi propaganda screed.

Posted by: Lolgege | May 4 2022 14:19 utc | 72

My guy b this place is in dire need of proper moderation.

Posted by: Lolgege | May 4 2022 14:21 utc | 73

@ Manage without me | May 4 2022 13:48 utc | 63 Re:

"I don't think Germany had any colonies prior to 1870"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_colonization_of_Africa

That took me less than 60 seconds to debunk. In my experience, a little due diligence is a useful investment, without it you run the risk of looking very sloppy in the reliability department.

Posted by: MarkU | May 4 2022 14:27 utc | 74

Posted by: mac | May 4 2022 12:23 utc | 31

"Socialist" parties are not socialist. Much less any "national-socialist" ones.

Socialist-in-name parties haven't moved an inch towards socialist economy in a century. For the most part they exist precisely to delay the implementation of a socialist economy.

They can gnaw and thrash but socialism goes through Marx and Lenin, otherwise it simply doesn't happen.

This has nothing to do with programs, programs are mere statements unless there is a binding mechanism.

Posted by: Arganthonios | May 4 2022 14:29 utc | 75

@ b # 25 with the smoking gun....thanks

This civilization war is evolving quite nicely IMO

Taking on the Central Bank of exceptionalists should get Lavrov the Nobel Peace Prize

Wow! Back to work.....

Posted by: psychohistorian | May 4 2022 14:32 utc | 76

A most extraordinary claim, indeed.

Is it a problem with how each countries language is written on paper?

Israelite, a backwards leaning language. One , that goes from right to left. The exact opposite from normal English as is used by the 'UNION OF THE SOVIET STATES OF AMERIKA'. As well as Russia too.

Israel a country full of racism , second and third class citiens(same religion), slaves and suppressed voters. Awash in corruption from A through to Z. At every level of government. One that operates the world's largest open air semite prison. This prison also has a very large reserve of a global warming gas called methane. Contained within it's coastal waters.

Sadly as we all know, to balance it's books . This country consumes large wads of cash donated annually by the poor taxpayers from the 'UNION OF THE SOVIET STATES OF AMERIKA'. Plus in order to take care of suppressed semite resident voters of Israel. Currently, held in the world's largest open air prison. A smaller amount of loot is extorted from the "UNITED NATIONS RELIEF WORK AGENCY". Since 1948. A virtual bunch corrupt money leeches, since 1948. One could say, truthfully.

"What Are The Semitic Languages?
The Semitic language family consists of dozens of distinct languages and modern day dialects, but the major Semitic languages are Arabic, Amharic (spoken in Ethiopia), Tigrinya (spoken in Ethiopia and Eritrea), Hebrew, Tigre (spoken in Sudan), Aramaic (spoken in Lebanon, Syria, Israel, Iraq and Iran) and Maltese."

The Russians have an excellent trading relations with Syria. A good working relationship with Iran(Caspian Sea oil fields)..........

Question? Does "Lavarov" hate all the resident citizens on the island of Malta? I think not!

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 4 2022 14:36 utc | 77

Posted by: Manage without me | May 4 2022 12:42 utc | 41

Fascism requires scapegoats.
(To seize goods and economic levers)
(To misdirect violence of the population)
(To help the ethnic purity delusion)

The justification of the particular scapegoats of the day as essential is in itself fascistic propaganda, i.e. it only holds subjectively under a fascist viewpoint which it seeks to nurture.

Fascists can be of any color, language and creed.

Posted by: Arganthonios | May 4 2022 14:39 utc | 78

According to Andrei M., when asked if Lavrov "planned" his commentary, said in reply, "I'm pretty sure it wasn't planned. It's their profound conviction."

Posted by: thecelticwithinme | May 4 2022 14:45 utc | 79

@ 37 P1

"It was a dumb trap lavrov fell into.."

No, it was not a trap, it was a breath of fresh air. How could it be a trap if what Lavrov said was true? Perhaps you had better read the article again, seems you've. missed the point.

Posted by: Lawrence Miller | May 4 2022 14:46 utc | 80

Posted by: b | May 4 2022 12:13 utc | 25

Bingo !!!!

I found it very very strange that Israel's PM made this great effort (similar to Macron) to travel all the way to Moscow to try to act as a go between for a peaceful ending to the operation. All he had to do was pickup the phone and find out if Russia was interested. If that was the reason, the answer surely would have been a NO since Israel has ZERO CREDIT/CREDIBILITY in negotiating any conflict to a peaceful resolution. What they are doing to the Palestinians and Syria is a prime example of what their credit is in this department, ZERO. Hence what Gilbert Doctorow speculates makes sense.

Russia should do something similar to what Germany did during WW II when they captured documents from French and Polish foreign ministries showing what was going on in "the kitchen" behind the curtain of foreign affairs.

https://archive.org/search.php?query=Auswaertiges%20Amt

Posted by: Tom_12 | May 4 2022 14:48 utc | 81

Posted by: Lolgege | May 4 2022 14:21 utc | 73
Posted by: Lolgege | May 4 2022 14:19 utc | 72

Don't turn around, the (anti-semitism) Commisar's in town ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBfFDTPPlaM

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 4 2022 14:48 utc | 82

@Republicofscotland at #70.

Without a doubt, the best and most apposite post on this thread.

Posted by: Vragtes | May 4 2022 14:50 utc | 83

#---Interesting that Kasztner's crime was, in essence, actively supporting the extermination of large numbers of Hungarian jews because they were not zionist; and interesting that Lapid supported him.

Posted by: BM | May 4 2022 11:44 utc | 17

They are by definition regarded as "dead branches", and is best used to make a "burnt offering". Jews are, as all of us, only united if it's advantageous.

Trafficking of children- for instance. https://youtu.be/smWhNxTaTqM

Posted by: Anne B | May 4 2022 14:53 utc | 84

Could everyone please get OFF it and get back to the bloody WAR which this
blog is supposed to be about in the first place. A bit of solid analysis about what's actually happening in Ukraine would go a lot further than the mass of non-issue, self-indulgent, blathering that many seem to revel in. We need to know where this thing is at tactically and strategically so we can properly assess whether the damned Poles and American and ratbag British warmongers are going to get everyone in the Northern Hemisphere killed or not. Where is the front actually at? How close is the Russian army to closing the Eastern encirclement? How much of the Western equipment is actually getting through? Etc. Etc. ANALYSIS, PEOPLE, PLEASE!!

Posted by: hoggy | May 4 2022 14:56 utc | 85

Could everyone please get OFF it and get back to the bloody WAR which this

Note the forum topic. Thank me later.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | May 4 2022 14:59 utc | 86

Is being Jewish a race or a religion?

Not sure it makes a great deal of difference. If Levi and Cohen intermarry at a higher rate than others of the same set and they constitute Cohanim, that might suggest they see key directives to maintain such close blood ties over centuries and Leviticus suggests there is good reason for descendants of Aaron to act in this manner.

There is a tendency nowadays for Muslims to consider all Whites as "Christians" though I am very restrictive in the designation, even more than limiting it to "hatch, match, dispatch" attendees at Church. There are however behavioural traits of "Non-observant Jews" that cause them to be identified as "secular Jews" which makes your picture somewhat more opaque.

You can be a "lapsed Catholic" but are prohibited from being a "lapsed Muslim".
Judaism has baptism which is where Christians obtained the ritual - Muslims do not - but are you still "a Jew" without baptism simply by being born of a Jewish mother ?

In the event is it important for those not involved in Israeli immigration policy ?

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 4 2022 15:03 utc | 87

socialism goes through Marx and Lenin,

Makes no sense. Lenin created a dictatorship through a Party holding a monopoly on power. Marx simply romanticised the Paris Commune until it was suppressed.

I see Lenin did little more than opportunistically accept an offer and funding from Ludendorff, then dictator of Germany, to travel in a sealed train and overthrow the Kerensky Government because it pledged to continue the war.

Lenin had to swallow Brest-Litovsk which created this Ukraine mess when General Hoffmann created a Ukrainian State in 1918 and was afraid to let Moscow know of the treaty, which, fortunately for Russia was overturned at Versailles.

So I see in Lenin an Unprincipled Opportunist who harnessed Marx' Romanticism to produce Hell on Earth

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 4 2022 15:08 utc | 88

@ hoggy

"About
Moon Of Alabama

This site's purpose is to discuss politics, economics, philosophy and blogger Billmon's Whiskey Bar writings."

Source: moonofalabama dot org / about dot html

Posted by: malenkov | May 4 2022 15:11 utc | 89

"the most ardent anti-Semites are usually Jews" ... considering that Palestinians are a semitic people, and that the apartheid state of Israel is using Nazi techniques to ethnically cleanse these folks - techniques that ironically were used against them - then not only are the most ardent Jews anti-Semites, they are also Nazis.

The same applies to Elensky, who currently presides over a rogue regime which for 8 years has used Nazi techniques while conducting ethnic cleansing against the ethnic Russians in 404 - slavic subhumans in Nazi terms.

Posted by: Trisha | May 4 2022 15:11 utc | 90

It would have been more accurate for Lavrov to have said that Hitler was rumored to have been at least of partly Jewish ancestry (as if "one drop of blood" could make a difference). I have heard this rumor now and again. But not a shred of evidence has ever been produced. But it was dumb of Lavrov, really, to say anything at all on this topic, especially in Israel.

As far as the Holocaust, virtually no one came out of it well, and that includes many Jews. The only extenuating factor is that people at the time lacked the big picture of what was going on, and / or lacked the imagination to see it. Even at a 75 year remove it is painful to contemplate this human fallibility.

It is disheartening to see many of the hateful comments posted here.

Posted by: Harold | May 4 2022 15:13 utc | 91

MarkU @ 74

So there was a trivial and abortive attempt at African colonization by Brandenburg from 1682 to 1721. That no one has ever heard of. So what. Manage without me is correct for all practice purposes. Playing gotcha scores no points.

Posted by: Oldhippie | May 4 2022 15:15 utc | 92

Posted by: S | May 4 2022 12:25 utc | 33

More excellent details about this aspect of history can be found in these books,

Adolf Hitler - Founder of Israel: Israel in War With Jews Paperback – June 6, 1996
by Hennecke Kardel

The Transfer Agreement - The Dramatic Story of the Pact Between the Third Reich and Jewish Palestine
by Edwin Black

In the shadow of Wall Street: complicities and financing Soviet-nazi
by Pierre de Villemarest
Godefroy de Bouillon, 1996

The indisputable proof that a certain "brotherhood" international funded the bolshevik revolution, and ensured that until 1990, the survival of the USSR, and the rise of nazism ; that during the 1939-1945 war, banks and firms world-famous cooperated with Germany in the war, even if they are american ; that their representation in Basel sat regularly with the delegates of Berlin. Here is the role of the Dr. Schacht, the mysterious colonel Nikolai ; the real leaders of the Red Orchestra in Germany ; and then the secret Directive of the us National Security Council that in 1948 "oriente" Washington, in the sort of support within the world communist communists 'national', and reverse, not communism, but his version stalinist. This is the key of everything that has happened since in the behind the scenes after 1945 and until 1995, and that should be the subject of a future work.

While looking for something I came across this which may interest some. I had a strong suspicion that personal aspect of who Kissinger was that were served to the Public were phony, but this raises it to another level.

https://www.heritage-history.com/index.php?c=read&author=allen&book=kissinger&readAll=true

Posted by: Tom_12 | May 4 2022 15:20 utc | 93

@Trisha, @90

not only are the Palestinians Semites, they are in many cases descendants of Jews who converted to Islam.

Posted by: Manage without me | May 4 2022 15:28 utc | 94

Lavrov is not one to venture into food fights over anti-Semitism. It's just not his thing. Reading his exact words here confirms it. There is nothing in his comment on which he would need to even pause, as it is simply his reply to a question about Zelensky. On the broader issue, this incident shows how muddled the term anti-Semitism has become. This entire episode has nothing to do with anti-Semitism and a lot to do with early Zionist zealots. But if there is a possibility of weaponizing the term anti-Semitism, one should never miss an opportunity. As for the "Jewish blood" question about Hitler, it is irrelevant. On the other hand, the Zionist quest for Settlors is an ongoing problem for Israel as more and more Jews leave Israel and need to be replaced by solid Jewish stock.

Posted by: Daniel Good | May 4 2022 15:29 utc | 95

I wonder if anyone has thought of asking Semitic Muslims and Semitic Christians living in occupied Palestine what they think of the notion that "Jews cannot be anti Semitic?"

Excellent report b, many thanks once again.

Posted by: robjira | May 4 2022 15:35 utc | 96

"Could everyone please get OFF it and get back to the bloody WAR which this blog is supposed to be about in the first place."

Bingo!

Posted by: Duncan Idaho | May 4 2022 15:36 utc | 97

Rigg interviews former German soldiers of Jewish heritage, some of them high-ranking officers, who fought for Adolf Hitler’s Third Reich in World War II--during the Holocaust, when the Nazis slaughtered 6 million Jews.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 4 2022 11:37 utc | 11

That propaganda number has been proven to be a mathematical and logistical impossibility many times over. It should not be repeated by people purporting to investigate historical accuracy.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | May 4 2022 15:36 utc | 98

In addition to the Straussian Zionists in the US State Dept there is also what some call a Marxist/Zionist hive mind. The hive mind is composed of Fed Res cheap loan funded zombie corporations and take over schemes which include many of the surveillance focused tech and social media companies as well as the legacy fake news media. The hive mind works together, they watch each other, so when one of them starts a boycott of Russia for instance, then the others see the signal and join in. Works the same with the US cancel culture of conservatives. It is likely that most of these companies are run by Zionist Jews. They are using cultural Marxism to attack conservative red state America to distract from their subversion of congress and state dept as well as insert more of their people into the deep state permanent bureaucracy.

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 4 2022 15:39 utc | 99

I am baffled how people can continually support the claims of a holocaust. It was physically impossible for this event to have occurred in the manner reported. Germany has been paying repatriations for something that they never did. 15,000,000 jews in Europe 1939, 15,000,000 jews in Europe 1946 census. Go figure.

Posted by: Bluedog57 | May 4 2022 15:43 utc | 100

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