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May 03, 2022

Democrats: The Ukraine War Is Over. Let's Talk Abortion Rights.

On day 69 the war in Ukraine fell off the top of the news pages.


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The emotional outrage of the Democrats has now been redirected to the Supreme Court. This happened after Politico published a leaked draft of the majority opinion on constitutional protection of reproductive rights:

The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.

Chief Justice Roberts has confirmed the authenticity of the 'leaked' draft but added that it does not represent the courts final decision.

The draft is dated February 10 2022. It was likely a tactical decision by Democrats to let it 'leak' now.

The war to 'weaken Russia' is going badly for the 'west' and the U.S. can do little to change that. The midterm election will likely see a huge loss for the Democrats. They need an emotional issue to incentivize their voters to go to the polls. Abortion rights may do that for a certain group of voters.

But I find it unlikely that it will, over all, be of much help.

"It's the economy, stupid" said James Carville, a strategist for Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential election campaign. Prices are rising, especially for gas and food, while the housing market is suffering from upcoming higher interest rates. The U.S. will, like Europe, likely to go into a recession.

It is also obvious that the Democrats have no real interest in protecting abortion rights. They could have done so when they held the presidency, and majorities in the House and Senate. They never launched a serious attempt to put Roe vs. Wade into federal law. It always suited them better to keep the issue open and to use it during each election for fundraising and to scare their voters to the polls.

Now the Supreme Court is finally taking that ball away and leaves the issue to the states.

The Democrats can thank Barack Obama for that. When he was president he screwed up on abortion rights by not guaranteeing a liberal successor for Supreme Court judge Ruth Bader Ginsburg. I wrote about the issue in September 2020 after Ginsberg had died:

In summer 2013 then President Barack Obama invited Ginsburg for a talk. It was seen as a request to her to retire. But Obama did not offer an adequate replacement for her position. The details are not know but Ginsburg rejected whoever Obama had in mind:

Referring to the political polarization in Washington and the unlikelihood that another liberal in her mold could be confirmed by the Senate, Ginsburg, the senior liberal on the nine-member bench, asked rhetorically, “So tell me who the president could have nominated this spring that you would rather see on the court than me?”

Ginsburg, in a wide-ranging 75 minute interview with Reuters in her chambers late on Thursday, also acknowledged that President Barack Obama had invited her to a private lunch last summer at the White House. It was an unusual move, she conceded.
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Ginsburg said on Thursday that even if she had retired, the president would have been more likely to have chosen a compromise candidate than a liberal.

The good-enough centrist nominee Obama offered as a replacement for the progressive Ginsburg was, in her judgment, not perfect enough. In consequence important Supreme Court decisions like Roe vs. Wade are now in jeopardy.

Senator Chuck Schumer, now pledges a new vote on legislation to preserve abortion rights. But the Senate is evenly split and the decisive conservative Democrat, Senator Joe Manchin, will vote against any such law.

The final Supreme Court decision will be published within the next two months.

 

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Who cares?

Posted by: Jacques Labelle | May 3 2022 16:45 utc | 1

Hey guys, the following doesn't really fit to the above post of b but it just came up in my head and I'd like to put this out before I forget about it, kind a weird idea:

Ok, China certainly knows that it is next on the to-crush-list so it would make sense to fight with Russia against the EoL. Obviously that would be suicide (public opinion, sanctions, ...) BUT:

China closed down Shanghai, it's largest port, and this is hitting supply chains in the US & the EU quite hard and will do so for quite some time.

Could it be that they are doing that deliberately? As some kind of undercover counter-sanctions? Sure, they will take a hit too but piling on some more pressure on the Empire & its vassals might prove useful in their fight...

What do you think? Wouldn't that be a smart move? :D :D :D

Posted by: zet | May 3 2022 16:46 utc | 2

well, it would be a relief if ukraine-russia was off the front pages of the msm... i doubt this will happen myself.. too much invested in nato going to war with russia... this is just a temporary departure... although, i know this eventually happened with regard to syria, iraq, afganistan and all the other places the usa was doing such stellar work in!!

Posted by: james | May 3 2022 16:47 utc | 3

@ zet | May 3 2022 16:46 utc | 2

interesting concept... kind of like a premeditated attack on itself! this would be crushing to walmart, the dollar stores, and a wide array of businesses virtually dependent on chinese products - clothes, and etc. etc..

Posted by: james | May 3 2022 16:49 utc | 4

“Who cares” —so says a prick who can not become pregnant. Men are determined to destroy the planet. War and destruction is all the weaker sex is capable of. Life-/not so much

Posted by: Wobblie | May 3 2022 16:52 utc | 5

Y'all are missing the bigger picture and framing it as a "distraction" issue, which in this historical context, currently, it is not.

...

We all come to MoA because we agree that the empire is the greatest evil that has ever befallen mankind. As such, we definitely can not afford ourselves one less tool in the toolbox for affording its destruction.

You are in a sense bargaining: "Well, I want to see the empire dethroned, but not like that."

And before you say that there are other ways to akin a cat, I again say that we can not afford one less means in the empire's destruction.

Now, because a domestically-divided U.S. is imperative for Russia to complete its objective in the Borderlands, you must concur that this wedge issue in the U.S. will play to the advantage of Russia in the coming months.

There is no other way to look at this issue if you are anti-empire.

The fact that I am rejoicing for manifold reasons, that this hurts the American behemoth while at the zame time perhaps sparing the lives of innocent children, means that yes, I am gloating.

If the Supreme Court pulls back on its majority opinion and reverses, this will have similarly terrible consequences for America in that the dissident right will develop other means in boycotting its economy, which it has already developed a knack for.

Like psychohistorian's "one-note samba" about world finance, I have often wrote here that America is in a pincer, caught between Russia abroad and its dissident-right at home.

Many here at the bar can not seem to reconcile their deeply-held leftists beliefs with the reality that in 10 years, America will be a hard-right country. I understand it is very hard for them in that, to kill the beast, they will have to kill a part of themselves.

In that way, I am ruthless in this endeavor and will show no mercy.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 3 2022 16:55 utc | 6

@ NemesisCalling | May 3 2022 16:55 utc | 6

i read this on the previous thread... nemesis calling.. you are an interesting cat for saying you'd never post at moa - a few months ago - to now repeating your posts on the same day! i am having a hard time figuring you out, but alas - people are mysterious, and act in mysterious ways so i will give you that!

Posted by: james | May 3 2022 16:59 utc | 7

Looks like Azovstal is being aborted:

https://www.rt.com/russia/554902-mariupol-azovstal-fighting-resumes/

Posted by: Shyaku | May 3 2022 17:03 utc | 8

"The war to 'weaken Russia' is going badly for the 'west' and the U.S. can do little to change that."

Yes. Therefore, a distraction is needed.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2022 17:04 utc | 9

Just wait until the Democratic Party says that this is all Putin’s fault because he stole the 2016 election from Clinton.

Posted by: Lex | May 3 2022 17:05 utc | 10

@7 James

Yeah, I am glad b opened up a thread. It is a big deal with broad implications.

I hope that in the near future, America will revert to isolationism so that I will not have to nervously haunt this anti-Empire forum-board any longer.

Would b trade his role as curator of this very important blog for peace and an end to the specter of world conflagration?

I hope he would.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 3 2022 17:09 utc | 11

Well. They demonized Russia enough, they forced anti-Russia sanctions onto Europe, crippled European economy, effected domestic censorship against any non-compliant outlet. They got what they wanted despite losing the war. So its better to lose the Ukraine thing from the news before how they lied about Ukraine 'winning' becomes visible.

Posted by: Dodrey Dougherton | May 3 2022 17:09 utc | 12

This is no distraction. This is actually an important part of the definitive fascistization of the US. The attack on reproductive rights, on trans folks, on CRT and everything else that has been labeled "cultural war" is not merely rhetorical or a matter of electoral strategy. It's time we stop calling everything a smokescreen because this is the actual endgame of the Christian white fundamentalism that rules America ever since its inception.

Posted by: Miranda | May 3 2022 17:11 utc | 13

Move along, folks. Nothing to see here.

Gonzalo Lira has an excellent thread on Twitter on how the "Ukraine War" ended:

How does Russia make sure the US does not enter the war?

By making the Russian mode of war BORING.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 3 2022 17:12 utc | 14

> On day 69 the war in Ukraine fell off the top of the news pages.


May that be rlated with Canada general captured and moved to Moscow detention, where he should be interrogated about his management of vriminal bio-weapons research?

Posted by: Arioch | May 3 2022 17:13 utc | 15

The Roe v. Wade issue can easily be turned into more hatred against Russia, as it’s common belief among many liberals that Russia aka Vladimir Putin “got Trump elected”, which ended up shifting the balance of the Supreme Court by appointing three justices (including one that was ‘stolen’ from Obama).

Posted by: BillB | May 3 2022 17:16 utc | 16

@Miranda | May 3 2022 17:11 utc | 13

This is no distraction.
Well, there are differing views on that.

https://twitter.com/GonzaloLira1968/status/1521498466169544707
If this leaked draft was indeed from February, and if indeed the Democrats had time to craft their response, then this is a deliberate attempt to “shift the Narrative”—

—it means Ukraine is about to fall, and they're getting ahead of the unfolding disaster.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2022 17:18 utc | 17

@ NemesisCalling | May 3 2022 17:09 utc | 11

fair enough! thanks...

Posted by: james | May 3 2022 17:19 utc | 18

@16 BillB

It's a good thought, but did Russiagate bear the kind of fruit the neolibs wanted?

I think it ended up galvanizing even more people towards the anti-empire, pro-Russia stance.

As I laid out above, the right knows what is going on in the country and will sniff out any attempt at the empire to deflect this.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 3 2022 17:21 utc | 19

Posted by: Lex | May 3 2022 17:05 utc | 10


LOL and might just happen

Posted by: jo6pac | May 3 2022 17:25 utc | 20

When the Left focuses on social and cultural issues it divides the populous and loses. When it focuses on economic issues, that is, the core of actual Left ideology, it unites the populous and can win. It is obvious which strategy it should choose--but that path is not taken because there is no coherent Left in America. It is obvious what strategy the Right--and that includes the Democrats and neolibs-- has chosen. More of the same divisive, very effective, confusion.

Posted by: Rodrigo | May 3 2022 17:28 utc | 21

It is also obvious that the Democrats have no real interest in protecting abortion rights. They could have done so when they held the presidency, and majorities in the House and Senate. They never launched a serious attempt to put Roe vs. Wade into federal law. It always suited them better to keep the issue open and to use it during each election for fundraising and to scare their voters to the polls.
I can't begin to tell you how many Democrat friends I've lost for having said exactly this over the years.

But then, few people like hearing that they've been had.

Posted by: malenkov | May 3 2022 17:28 utc | 22

@Miranda | May 3 2022 17:11 utc | 13

I totally agree. Additionally, people are beginning to unite on economic issues. That will not be allowed! They must divide and conquer, lest people discover they share their misfortunes caused by the "chosen ones", and overcome their differences.

I think a good PR campaign would be to push for male masturbation to be outlawed. Just think of those millions of lives lost at each pause of satisfaction. Maybe men would finally figure out that this is simply about repression and one bronze age religious sect's arbitrary definition of life.

Posted by: Michael.j | May 3 2022 17:29 utc | 23

Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2022 17:18 utc | 17

You just wait until, say, Ken Paxton issues an opinion that Texas is not bound by Obergefell one month, two tops, after Roe is overturned.

Posted by: Miranda | May 3 2022 17:35 utc | 24


Perhaps worth noting that China shuts off goods to the US using
Covid as the excuse. I see it as back handed support of Russia doing much more political damage in the US than in China, Covid returns to haunt one more time. So well deserved!

Posted by: Quanah | May 3 2022 17:39 utc | 25

The ultimate wedge issue in US politics, best left alone. This ruling will reintroduce the corrosive divisions of "state's rights" minus the indefensible refutation of civil rights based on race. Instead there are two opposing absolutes which cannot be reconciled or negotiated through Constitutional means. This, along with Citizen's United, will be the crucial expression of the Roberts Court. Roberts, along with Alito, was nominated by W Bush - a President who never actually won either of the elections in which he ran.

Posted by: jayc | May 3 2022 17:39 utc | 26

Western economies are in far worse shape than the published numbers portray. Within the Outlaw US Empire, it's reached the point where genuine GDP contraction couldn't be hidden and had to be admitted, minus 1.4% contraction, which was actually closer to -5%. Here's Shadowstats discussion:

Amidst a continuing inflation surge [see the INFLATION Section], the initial estimate of inflation-adjusted First-Quarter 2022 Real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) declined at an annualized pace of 1.41% (-1.41%), the first quarterly GDP drop since the Pandemic-collapsed activity of Second-Quarter 2020, and against a surging inventory-buildup fueled gain of 6.89% in Fourth-Quarter 2021 GDP.

• Headline First-Quarter 2022 GDP was hit hard by an exploding Trade Deficit, and by some work-down of the extraordinary inventory buildup that propped headline Fourth-Quarter 2021 GDP against collapsing Consumer Demand [see the later Trade Deficit and Retail Sales paragraphs].

Previously noted here, the prior reporting of Fourth-Quarter 2021 Real Gross Domestic Product (GDP) increasingly confirmed that the bulk of the headline recent gains and “Recovery” in Second-Half 2021 GDP, reflected no more than an ongoing and accelerating build up in unsold Inventories, due to extraordinarily weak consumer demand.

• Annualized real growth for the ShadowStats Alternate GDP, corrected for understated headline GDP inflation, contracted at an annualized pace of 3.41% (-3.41%) in First-Quarter 2022, having gained 4.73% in 4q2021, up by 1.47% year-to-year in 1q2022 [previously 3.40% in 4q2021], but now holding shy by 1.84% (-1.84%) of ever recovering its 4q2019 pre-Pandemic/ Recession Peak Activity

Shadowstats GDP Chart remains in the Blue. Do note the widening between the government's red chart line and Shadowstats. Meanwhile, inflation will soon pass the 17% level.

And given Fed and Treasury policy added to Biden's sanctions policy, it will only worsen. I await the screaming editorials over having to turn dollars into rubles to purchase whatever remains unsanctioned or proscribed strategic materials from Russia. As I noted in my last post on the previous thread, Reality's a bitch!


Posted by: karlof1 | May 3 2022 17:42 utc | 27

Maybe men would finally figure out that this is simply about repression and one bronze age religious sect's arbitrary definition of life.
The supreme irony being that there wasn't much of a concept of life beginning at conception in Western Christianity until medical research pursued at great danger (because much of it was forbidden by religious and secular authorities) inspired the clerics to "move the clock back" as it were. The notion of life beginning at conception arose during the late Enlightenment.

Prior to that it was common among theologians to accept the notion of "ensoulment" as handed down from classical antiquity, according to which the fetus becomes human life (by acquiring a soul) somewhere around 40 days after conception (if the fetus is male; Aristotle maintained that ensoulment occurred only at day 80 in the case of female fetuses).

Of course, religions have always taught that abortion was a terrible sin, but that's because it was an interference in the reproductive act and purely reproductive purpose of sex -- same reason onanism was proscribed. But for most of Christian history, "life begins at conception" was not a concept.

Curiously, you can learn all about this by reading the appropriate article in the first edition (ca. 1910) of the English-language Catholic Encyclopedia, which is available online.

Posted by: malenkov | May 3 2022 17:43 utc | 28

@Miranda | May 3 2022 17:35 utc | 24

The world exists outside the US. US/NATO - Russia is orders of magnitude bigger issue. But if you want to self destruct over this issue, be my guest.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2022 17:44 utc | 29

Meh.

I see two outcomes to this.

Abortion rights pass down to state law and interstate medical trips become the norm.

Abortion is banned nationwide and it goes underground. Support groups of women will start building the Del Em and start safely performing the procedure themselves, as they have been doing for menstrual extraction for 40 years. The Del Em has been around since the 70’s and can be built in an afternoon, including the trip to Walmart. Even more useful in these days of pee on a stick early pregnancy tests. Talk of coathangers is just scaremongering.

Either way, the holier-than-thou scolds who think it is their job to police everyone else’s morals will be disappointed.

Posted by: Citizen621 | May 3 2022 17:48 utc | 30

@ zet | May 3 2022 16:46 utc | 2

In addition (to sneaky Chinese passive-aggressive style counter-sanctioning), many commentators have hypothesized other possibilities, since the Zero-Covid policy defies reason.

One possibility is that they need to keep GDP & interest rates lower until they can defuse the quadrillion $ derivatives time bomb which consists largely of interest rate swaps and the like. Don't forget they ginned up the whole Covid scare after the Fed started to give multi-trillion dollar loans to money center banks like JPM (fortress balance sheet my ass) starting Sep 2019. The story has been studiously ignored by MSM reporting, even though it is public knowledge, coming out quarter by quarter with > 1 year's delay. Only Parade on Wall Street seems to be covering it.

The theory does assume some sort of banker cartel is pulling the string internationally.

Posted by: webej | May 3 2022 17:54 utc | 31

@b
I don't dispute the chronology and facts you put forward, but I do dispute the strategic background.
In particular: I firmly believe that the Democrats fully expected Barack Obama's successor, Hilary Clinton, would waltz into the succeeding Presidency.
And as such, the urgency for replacing Ginsburg was nonexistent.

Note that Trump didn't just win the Presidency in 2016, his presence significantly eroded the Democrat presence in Congress against all expectations.

Posted by: c1ue | May 3 2022 17:55 utc | 32

You just wait until, say, Ken Paxton issues an opinion that Texas is not bound by Obergefell one month, two tops, after Roe is overturned.

Posted by: Miranda | May 3 2022 17:35 utc | 24


Oh, I fully expect that, and sooner rather than later, and I imagine Texas and like-minded states will be freed of the obligation to perform same-sex marriages. There would be two remaining relevant questions.

First is whether Texas (and like-minded states) will still be required to recognize such marriages when performed in other states. If not, the Court would be carving out an exception to the Art. 4 Sec. 1 of the United States Constitution (the "full faith and credit clause"), although this would be an exception that existed before Obergefell and would be nothing more than a reversion to the status quo ante.

Second is whether the federal government will continue to recognize same-sex marriages, or even declare the existing ones null and void at the federal level.

Next up: overrule of Lawrence v. Texas?

Posted by: malenkov | May 3 2022 17:57 utc | 33

In 2010 the Democrat party decided officially to “write off” white, working class voters and would not seek their support. Instead, the new party would be a supermajority of aggrieved groups such as negroes, Jews and immigrants. Since that time the party has become an intensely radical cultural Marxist entity. It is interesting that antifa was acting up in Portland again this weekend. They were throwing rocks down on a Support America convoy of vehicles from a freeway overpass. Police however did not respond in a timely manner citing staffing issues. Leftist local government which controls the police department has always been the problem here. Curious to see that many of the black clad “ democrat brown shirts” appear to be female by their body shapes.

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 3 2022 17:58 utc | 34

@Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2022 17:44 utc | 29

I know that very well. I live in a country that is victim of US imperialism. And I know these moves don't stop there, the tentacles of the American empire spread them elsewhere. You know you can be concerned about multiple issues at the same time, right? You can keep denouncing the Democrat-Ukronazi alliance against Russia while also knowing full well that they want to exert their own fashion of Nazi control over both their population and the Third World's.

Posted by: Miranda | May 3 2022 18:03 utc | 36

I recall all the talk and Twitter vids of boarded up storefronts nationwide during Covid, during which many businesses closed for good, many in very prime places like Manhattan. Not much of that's documented anymore, but I don't think that lack is due to recovery, but is related to a been-there, done-that mindset that seeks to ignore reality for a chimera of hope--the novelty has worn off and is now the norm, which is unwanted and thus rejected.

As for Europe, the hope there is for the winds to blow steadily while the sun shines so the A/C can run during the Summer's heat amidst the challenge of acquiring and storing enough gas to get though the next Winter while keeping industries operating. I imagine inflation there is as bad as here, perhaps more due to the energy issue.

As for Finland and Swede entering NATO, Hungary, Turkey, and perhaps a few others oppose them becoming members, thus bucking the Master's designs.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 3 2022 18:03 utc | 37

damn, forgot to close the link. this should have been the post:

Maybe it is a distraction, but of something else: 90.000 pages of Pfizer documents leaked.
Documents confirm that Pfizer knew that the jab was not as harmless as they claimed. More and more shadow falls on Pfizer and the cabal that pushed it.
Of course we will never know why the supreme court draft was leaked now and we all can safely make our claims.

Posted by: futkon | May 3 2022 18:04 utc | 38

Correction b: 8 years and 69 days.

Posted by: par4 | May 3 2022 18:05 utc | 39

To be clear none of this would outlaw abortion, as it would become the jurisdiction of the states. But this is not the point of the exercise. It is primarily Divide & Rule which is deeply rooted in the USAn culture. Red vs. Blue gang affiliation has been whipped up to a fever pitch by the social engineering gang, and the divide has not been this palpable since I imagine the American Civil war. Injecting emotional frenzy in order to derail rational thinking is the order of business. With prices soaring, scarcity being predictively programmed, and injuries from experimental drugs going mainstream, they have no other choice than to whip up the hysteria. With the MSM getting caught lying over and over about the Ukraine scenario, it's on to bigger and more torrid distractions. If they need to course correct, a simple false flag in Odessa (or wherever) can be whipped up. Keep in mind that the USAns are generally a shallow and distractible lot, especially the ones that consider themselves smartly educated, because they are too clever to be led astray....right? No offense intended to my fellow countrymen, but several generations of dumbing down have left us adrift in a sea of superficial distraction. As such, the distractions themselves have become increasingly lame and transparent. Take the recent Brooklyn subway shooting drill, it was so piss-poor that it quickly disappeared because it was so roundly debunked.

Posted by: Chevrus | May 3 2022 18:09 utc | 40

As for Finland and Swede entering NATO, Hungary, Turkey, and perhaps a few others oppose them becoming members, thus bucking the Master's designs.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 3 2022 18:03 utc | 37

I wouldn't count on Turkey's opposition. The unreliability of Erdoğan & Co. is by now legendary; the only thing one can rely on is that Turkey will respond to whichever side makes the better offer (or makes the more powerful threats).

I'm sure Hungary will be under exquisite pressure to vote for the accessions, but the Orbán government might just resist.

Posted by: malenkov | May 3 2022 18:10 utc | 41

"It is also obvious that the Democrats have no real interest in protecting abortion rights..."

I can't begin to tell you how many Democrat friends I've lost for having said exactly this over the years.

But then, few people like hearing that they've been had.

Posted by: malenkov | May 3 2022 17:28 utc | 22

*****

I've lost so many Democratic-leaning friends as well for saying this. This is the toxicity and trap of the US two-party dictatorship of tag-team fascism. For those thinking themselves conservative, to be herded to vote for outright racism, patriarchy and fascism that's no longer dog whistle but outright brass band; for those who think themselves wanting a "left" alternative, to vote for the slicker fusion-of-corporate-with-state-power fascism that is the Party of War "alternative".

We need a revolution but we first need to somehow open people's eyes to the possibility. Capitalism doesn't need a nation of flag-wavers, it only needs a few of those for photo ops. Capitalism is just fine with a nation that is broken down, cynical, apathetic, desperate. When capitalism can't offer any kind of decent life, cynicism and apathy become its counterrevolutionary propaganda.

I feel what will finally open people's eyes up here to other possibilities is the defeat of the US Empire globally. The defeat, both as destruction of "American Exceptionalism" psychologically, and what it will mean for the collapse of material living standards here.

Posted by: Vintage Red | May 3 2022 18:14 utc | 42

To be clear none of this would outlaw abortion, as it would become the jurisdiction of the states.
Actually it's well within SCOTUS's power to declare that life begins at conception, and mandate that states formulate appropriate criminal legislation. After all, courts somehow discovered the power to mandate school busing as a means to combat racial discrimination in the nation's public school systems.

If the leaked document is any indication, however, SCOTUS isn't choosing to go quite that far.

Posted by: malenkov | May 3 2022 18:14 utc | 43

Glenn Greenwald gets back to basics:

"The Irrational, Misguided Discourse Surrounding Supreme Court Controversies Such as Roe v. Wade"
"The Court, like the U.S. Constitution, was designed to be a limit on the excesses of democracy. Roe denied, not upheld, the rights of citizens to decide democratically."
The entire constitution of the United States is designed to reserve all final decision making to the ruling class. So long as the Legislature consists of Senators elected in the current ludicrous way and a House which is far too small to begin to represent local communities there is no real hope og it being liberated from the Oligarchy.

What ought to be of interest to MoA readers is that the EU is moving very quickly towards a similar system. The Central Bank and the European Court can, and do, over ride national legislatures, while the European Parliament is a bad joke and the Commission a self perpetuating oligarchy of political mediocrities and foreign agents.

As to the law against abortion it is a flagrant provocation and designed to be one. The best way to deal with it is to ignore it and organise to overthrow it, not through the courts but on the streets.

Posted by: bevin | May 3 2022 18:16 utc | 44

@ Vintage Red | May 3 2022 18:14 utc | 42

You really need to post here more often!

Posted by: malenkov | May 3 2022 18:16 utc | 45

There are lots of things you can do with a constitutional amendment and its equivalent, a Supreme Court decision on a constitutional issue, that you can't do with an Act of Congress. It is doubtful whether any Supreme Court would find constitutional mere legislation that attempted to overrule state abortion laws, and I consider it certain that the current Supreme Court would not.

But the Democrats, by attempting such legislation, would certainly have a political issue to stir up their base.

Posted by: Lysias | May 3 2022 18:17 utc | 46

Also under Obama, more restrictions on abortion were imposed than under any other administration, and access became ever harder, even where completely legal. In other words, abortion is already not practically available for most of the country (no providers at all in more than 90% of counties). Obama also let the Voting Rights Act lapse, ensuring the other "issue" that the Dems cynically and hypocritically run on. It was notable that Donald Trump effectively defused the abortion issue by concentrating on the third trimester, when even in the Ukraine it is generally illegal.

Posted by: El Rucio | May 3 2022 18:24 utc | 47

@ vintage red

"I feel what will finally open people's eyes up here to other possibilities is the defeat of the US Empire globally. The defeat, both as destruction of "American Exceptionalism" psychologically, and what it will mean for the collapse of material living standards here."

When Aunt Kamala's Funny Money printer can't go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr anymore, you will see a mad rush of people back to a healthy and productive lifestyle. The influences of subcultures and minority groups will be diminished. The Fed will have to cease its military-adventurism abroad and quell domestic disturbance and depression at home. Conservative values will be restored. One-breadwinner families will reemerge. Children will again receive wholesome upbringings with innocence. A truth-and-reconciliation moment will have to occur and both the right and left will have to forgive each other to move forward as an isolationist country. This will involve give-and-take, something leftists seem currently to be unable to reconcile themselves to.

Abortion will become illegal, yes. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you that.

But you will find your new conservative overlords much less appalling than you have been told we were. :)

Posted by: NemesisCalilng | May 3 2022 18:25 utc | 48

Let the women decide..

Posted by: vetinLA | May 3 2022 18:25 utc | 49

NemesisCalling | May 3 2022 16:55 utc | 6

The US will be balkanized. Its genocidal Monroe Doctrine will be put to rest by the people of Latin America and the Caribbean.

Simply, the USians will reap what they sowed.

Posted by: dimitrov | May 3 2022 18:31 utc | 50

Posted by: Wobblie | May 3 2022 16:52 utc | 5

You seem to misunderstand the intent of the "who cares" comment, you sexist cretin.

I, for one, understand it as "it is a matter of internal policy issue of the United States, which is a country in the world that I do not care much about, and does not have any relation to the very important events that are currently unfolding in the world; moreover, as indicated by b, the real story is that this policy issue was leaked to the public to distract them from the war in Ukraine".

In short : "who cares?"

Posted by: Lemming | May 3 2022 18:34 utc | 51


Abortion becomes irrelevant as hominids become infertile and Totalen Krieg against the unconceived is an even better gambit than spike protein injections.

Posted by: quasi_verbatim | May 3 2022 18:37 utc | 52

@ 52 dimitrov

That would be even a better outcome. I have no need for the federal centralized authority.

Let us patriots with our 400,000,000 personal guns decide what is best for us.

Amen, brother.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 3 2022 18:37 utc | 53

Seems very dubious it was leaked for political gain. Human nature would have it that some clerk was overwhelmed by the fact they had something so newsworthy in their possession and blabbed which led to the sending a copy. With primaries coming up in May and June in states, last thing the Democratic establishment wants is people voting for progressives over their pre-ordained choices.

Posted by: GS | May 3 2022 18:39 utc | 54

@Miranda | May 3 2022 17:11 utc | 13

I think this country was founded largely on European (white) and Christian (more Catholics today than fundamental denominations), principles, and these formed what 'American Culture' we have. Many Americans value this culture. It has been assiduously undermined and subverted, since at least 1900's or so, by a dual-loyalty immigrant group, following it's ancient antipathies; hence the current tsunami of CRT, wokeness, unlimited immigration, pornography, sexual confusion, education disintegration, et al. We can only hope that Putin's Russia values its culture sufficiently to protect and promote it, and stand as an example for others.

Posted by: Nancy | May 3 2022 18:44 utc | 55

@Lemming | May 3 2022 18:34 utc | 53

Exactly

Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2022 18:44 utc | 56

@ 53 Lemming and @ 59 Norwegian

So you are both saying you would rather have the U.S. public united in its attention towards Ukraine?

Seems odd that b and many here seem to think this "distraction" is a bad thing wrt to potentially world-ending struggle in Russia's borderlands.

Let the U.S. be entangled domestically with itself!!! Sheesh, logic out the window right now at the bar.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | May 3 2022 18:49 utc | 57

Any poster who attempts to frame their argument on this topic for "We're all here for the same reason! The Evil Empire!" and doesn't go further to explain that the reason for being of the Evil Empire is to monopolize and expand extractive private finance capitalistic interests and to preserve access to "new" (to them) sources of wealth for a small minority of mostly Western white men (or families) isn't telling you the whole truth. I'm not in the mood to discuss the specifics of how having a permanent underclass too poor to have time to learn what's really being done in their name is one key to perpetuating the system that manifests in empire. It should be self-evident.

What I will say is that b is correct about Obama and the Democrats more broadly. At the presidential level they started selling out with Carter. They formed a decent, half-assed opposition (to the primacy of capital/corporate/patriarchal/religious right) at the local, state, judicial and legislative levels until Clinton, at which point it was left to a few judges and state representatives to even do a good job pretending they care about the working class and how the arch-right religious minority and law enforcement/carceral state are used to permanently repress them.

I'll reach back to the first paragraph with an excerpt from the foreword of Jerry Mander's (such a strange name given it's pronounced "gerrymander") book, "The Capitalism Papers: Fatal Flaws of an Obsolete System".

QUESTION FROM THE AUDIENCE: Jerry, do you mean my grand- father’s furniture store is killing the world? Is he one of those capi- talists? It’s a nice shop. He’s been there forty years, giving work to eight employees, and he pays a nice wage. With benefits. It doesn’t seem bad to me.

JERRY: No, stores like that are really not the problem. We need to make distinctions when we talk about capitalism. The word covers too many different things. One distinction is this: Size mat- ters! Small-scale local or family businesses, or community enterprises that make some money, pay salaries, send kids to college, and save a little, are not the problem, and never have been. But let’s say your granddad had somehow made gigantic profits from his store forty years ago, so he decided to partner with another store owner and invest in big real estate, converting small farms and open lands into shopping malls. And let’s say they started franchising shopping centers around the world, and were borrow- ing from big banks to do it, and then started buying banks, and buying other companies doing unrelated stuff, like shipping or mining or biotech farming, and then started getting their financ- ing from Goldman Sachs. Then they “went public” and were listed on the New York Stock Exchange as SHOP AMERICA! and they became friends with congressmen, spent 10 percent of their business income lobbying in Washington to overturn zoning, dump- ing, and other environmental laws that were getting in their way. eir eye on export trade subsidies, and maybe some military contracts, and were desperate to keep their stock prices high and to keep their taxes down.

Well, then, you’d have to say your grandfather would be operating in a different world, with different values and drives, than he does now. At the beginning, it was all about furniture for local families and businesses, not the primary needs of nonstop capital expansion, growth, stock values, and distributions. That’s the “capitalism” I worry about. That’s what’s consuming the world. Now it’s all about growth, not furniture, not sufficiency, not community welfare. It’s wealth, constantly seeking more wealth, to better seek still more wealth. That local store and those global businesses really shouldn’t share the same name. They are different creatures.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 3 2022 18:50 utc | 58

Posted by: Nancy | May 3 2022 18:44 utc | 58

We can only hope the disintegration of the American empire and the downfall of its genocidal conservatism also takes Putin's 18th-century-values-Russia down with it too.

Posted by: Miranda | May 3 2022 18:51 utc | 59

@NemesisCalling | May 3 2022 18:49 utc | 60

I didn't say that, quite the opposite. See my #29

It is still an attempt at distraction. That does not mean it will not have unintended consequences causing internal split.

Posted by: Norwegian | May 3 2022 18:55 utc | 60

@ NemesisCalling

Amen, brother.

Read Settlers.

@ Miranda

also takes Putin's 18th-century-values-Russia down with it too.

This statement is not at all based in reality. Are you by chance a Russiagater?

Posted by: dimitrov | May 3 2022 18:55 utc | 61

I wonder what race this stupid Miranda bitch is. Is she another antiwhite white filthwhore who eats chocoalte up the bottom holes? and feels she needs abortion to murder the tar babies she conceives? Or is she a black or Jew?

Posted by: jorgen | May 3 2022 18:56 utc | 62

Talked with an acquaintances this a.m. who informed me Ukraine is winning. Lukashenko will be the next to go, he is toast. The Chinese have seen the wonders of American weapons and leadership and will put aside their ambitions for Taiwan. By July Zelensky will be marching on Moscow.

Educated person. Intelligent. New York Times reader. Follows affairs close enough he knew the Lukashenko name. Few Americans would know that or have a plausible pronunciation. This crew is never coming out of the trance.. If Russia wins huge over entire territory of Ukraine it will simply vanish from their minds.They will believe the next new thing without ever experiencing a moment of cognitive dissonance.

The puppet masters still present narratives you and I can parse. They don’t need to. They can say anything at all, the faithful will salute.

Posted by: Oldhippie | May 3 2022 18:57 utc | 63

Amazing what an America-centred thread this is. We come back to the heart of MoA: it's just what Americans think, isolated in their sea-bordered continent, never mind the German host.

Posted by: laguerre | May 3 2022 19:00 utc | 64

Posted by: Wobblie | May 3 2022 16:52 utc | 5

You might wanna check with Jacinda Arden, Hilary Clinton, Madeline Albright (RIH), etc on that one. Evil is by no means the exclusive domain of Men.

I thought that was obvious, but apparently not

Posted by: ianMoone | May 3 2022 19:02 utc | 65

Posted by: laguerre | May 3 2022 19:00 utc | 67

b's topic was extremely specific to "America" in that I can't think of any German nationals who serve in the US judiciary. Perhaps your issue is with b for choosing to open a forum about an "American" issue?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 3 2022 19:04 utc | 66

You Yet Another Volunteer Fairy Godfather of my unborn children, Mal?

Fuck shit.

Posted by: Laurence | May 3 2022 18:27 utc | 51


You misread me. All I'm saying is that SCOTUS has that power, not that its actions are morally right.

As a gay-married (you knew that, and that's why you're calling me a fairy?) socialist, I tend to locate the problem in our inadequate and outdated constitution. It would be foolish of me, however, to pretend that SCOTUS will do what I want, or that I can wish away its powers.

Anyway, it's . . . remarkable to see a supposedly pro-choice commenter refer to that commenter's "unborn children." That's a pro-life/anti-abortion term.

Posted by: malenkov | May 3 2022 19:05 utc | 67

Amazing what an America-centred thread this is. We come back to the heart of MoA: it's just what Americans think, isolated in their sea-bordered continent, never mind the German host.

Posted by: laguerre | May 3 2022 19:00 utc | 67


Well, b did mention the American abortion thang; this is the natural consequence.

But sure, let's talk about the way Germany gets successively bitch-slapped first by Trump's ambassador to Germany, and now Zelensky's ambassador to Germany. Let's especially talk about Germany's response, which seems to be "more! harder! make me feel dirty!"

Posted by: malenkov | May 3 2022 19:11 utc | 68

@Posted by: dimitrov | May 3 2022 18:55 utc | 64

No, I'm definitely not.

Posted by: Miranda | May 3 2022 19:13 utc | 69

Posted by: ianMoone | May 3 2022 19:02 utc | 68

This is where it gets a lot more nuanced. In my own professional life I've encountered several women who believed that in order to be a high achiever, they must adopt the tactics, behaviors, habits and morals of the successful men they had previously observed. Note that most if not all of the evil women you name are among, if not THE, first woman to do their respective job or to reach that respective level. In my experience every single time the woman in question goes overboard and adopts almost hyper-masculine attitudes about business and engineering to the point that they are essentially caricaturing the successful men they've seen.

Further, there are also evil woman cops, woman jailers, and woman judges to name just a small number of possible careers. But in every single case that I can think of they are working within a historically patriarchal, male-dominated industry or function. So again, most of them are merely observing and absorbing the behaviors of the men around them and then trying to fit in and be promoted. After all, both women and men are human and when you're in a culture that not only enables, but celebrates being above the law, most people would probably succumb regardless of gender.

But another way to look at the relative scarcity of women in positions of power is that women have an instinctual understanding of the nature of power and shy away from seeking out those positions in which they will be expected to behave like the men that came before them (and whom often acted in very evil ways).

TL/DR: I'm a firm believer that women are the more peaceful "race" when it comes to inter-group conflict. They are more likely to seek peaceful resolutions than men, especially younger, less wise men including those who might be excited to join the Azov Battalion. Women just don't like to fight or feel compelled to physical violence. It's just the truth. There will always be exceptions, but the exceptions also often prove the rule.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 3 2022 19:14 utc | 70

Posted by: jorgen | May 3 2022 18:56 utc | 65

Really? I wonder how long it will be before your race baiting ignorance is bounced from the bar.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 3 2022 19:26 utc | 71

@Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 3 2022 19:26 utc | 74

Nevermind this jorgen clown, he just wants some d- and doesn't know how to ask.

Posted by: Miranda | May 3 2022 19:31 utc | 72

who cares. it's just a button they push, to maintain a politically exploitable equilibrium. so that nothing actually changes and bigger issues are not talked about. if that pushes your buttons, well, by design.

Posted by: mastameta | May 3 2022 19:35 utc | 73

laguerre @67--

Yeah. A rusty old Culture War Divide and Rule issue that will never be properly solved so it can remain that type of issue. IMO, the real issue for today is whether governments are Pro-Human or Anti-Human, with all Neoliberal governments inhabiting the latter camp. Abortion is then an issue designed to keep the Outlaw US Empire Anti-Human. IMO, if the Empire was Pro-Human, first and foremost it would cease being the Outlaw US Empire and the issue of abortion would die with that change as Pro-Human policies would be implemented that deal with the socio-economic problems that result in abortions.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 3 2022 19:39 utc | 74

I believe that the Ukraine War fell off the top of the NYT news page about a month ago, when there was a shooting on the NYC subway. At the time, I remember being surprised.

Posted by: Rob | May 3 2022 19:40 utc | 75

Posted by: Jacques Labelle | May 3 2022 16:45 utc | 1
"Who cares?"

My attitude exactly.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 3 2022 19:43 utc | 76

IMO, if the Empire was Pro-Human, first and foremost it would cease being the Outlaw US Empire and the issue of abortion would die with that change as Pro-Human policies would be implemented that deal with the socio-economic problems that result in abortions.

Posted by: karlof1 | May 3 2022 19:39 utc | 77


Very well put. I'm reminded of Bill Clinton's wish that abortion be "safe, legal, and rare." Assuming "rare" indicates that the need for abortions would diminish under improved socioeconomic conditions, this would be a formulation infinitely more humane than the man himself.

But maybe he just meant "rare" in the sense of "I'll just stand back and let a slightly modified Hyde Amendment rip." That would admittedly have been much more characteristic of him and his Party.

Posted by: malenkov | May 3 2022 19:50 utc | 77

The abortion industry is also the baby parts business which is a big business. Get the baby parts out of it and other nefarious actions just like the Ukie Nazis horiffic actions.

The Ukrainain war is going bad plus they may have two NATO generals now in custody in Moscow. We know the Canadian is there and possible American Lt General Clothier. We have bioweapons info coming out that may be connected to COVID 19 which locked much of the western world down, destroyed lives, killed some people, destroyed small businesses and more.

The need a new story to change the news cycle and the Supreme Court going after their Holy Grail aka abortion will drive the left wild. Funny how all of these are gigantic money laundering operations:

1. Covid, vaxxes and health care plus total control of people and vax genocide. Probably in the trillions $ laundered to corrupt media, doctors, hospitals and politicians.

2. Ukraine is the new world orders - WEF money laundering hub. Ukraine also makes money in human and organ trafficking. Dr. Jim Willie estimated $50 billion a month. This is where money is used to buy off politcians and control western elections. So if Jim Willie's numbers are close $600 billion.

3. Abortion-Baby Parts Business - Globally probably $50 to 100 billion a year.

Posted by: Jerry1 | May 3 2022 19:53 utc | 78

Posted by: karlof1 | May 3 2022 19:39 utc | 77 and malenkov @80

Agree with you both. And the reality is that abortions WOULD be EXCEEDINGLY rare in a society that puts human dignity and respect for the environment above the accumulation of capital.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 3 2022 19:58 utc | 79

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 3 2022 19:43 utc | 79

It would seem, based on your previous commentary that you're an anarchist. Why wouldn't you care if the State imposes insane restrictions on activities undertaken by women within the first 2-3 months, nay first two menstrual cycles, of mostly poor and working class women?

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 3 2022 19:59 utc | 80

In the 70' a rather "slum" area of London, with a high birth rate of very young unmarried, usually abandoned mothers and child(ren), did a full cost analysis of the "unwanted children" on the local society. Which is the underlying question here. They found that taking into account ALL the costs, (psychological, monetary, physical, abortions, and failed abortions included), it was cheaper and generally better for all to give free contraceptives to ANYONE who asked. This good idea, didn't last long as some objected to the really "under-aged" girls getting them. It was thought that this "encouraged" more sex.

So a good idea, was abandoned because of "morals" which existed at that time. The practical part, and the lessening of heartbreaks and problems of underage mothers with children, were left aside because an earlier form of "Karens" objected (Those who always "know" better than others - what is good for the others)
****

I think the area was Camden, but nowadays most of London has changed beyond recognition, and at that time there were several parts that were also really depressed areas.
****

However, the object of this leak is to distract. Which it is doing extremely well.
It just fits in with the next "panics" and pressure points on undereducated minds.
1* Covid, been there, not finished doing that. Macron is introducing electronic ID's, as is Putin (much to my surprise).
2* Financial disaster, "can you spare a billion, to buy a sniff?"
3* Food disaster. (General unavailability of goodies? Fertilizers - the shit show continues until it doesn't)
4* Energy and mobility restricted to and for the rich. (Several second hand superyachts for sale or rent)
5* War and rearmament of Governmental forces.
6* Followed by Police rearming to stop civil revolutions.
7* Meteorites (30 May?) and a few (hostile) aliens.
8* general breakdown of "authority" from their incompetence.

9* The Ukie war needs to be hidden, so US elections will be the "Punch and Judy show" for the masses.
***

Is this leak going to lead into the eugenics programme as desired by Bill Gates, Schwab and his Davos crowd?

Posted by: Stonebird | May 3 2022 20:07 utc | 81

Roe knocking off Ukraine, reminds of Iran elections in 2009.
For two weeks nothing else graced the titles of the MSM, till…
Till Michael Jackson died, then poof, squirrel.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | May 3 2022 20:11 utc | 82

The United States is no longer monolithic and has not been for a very long time. States themselves are also starting to show this trend, with some really fracturing. The best way to decide this is on the county level. Then you would see a very clear picture of where abortion stands in the US.

The top down approach on the national and state levels have certainly failed.

The whole experiment has in fact failed.

In the near future the most important governmental organization will be on your local level.

The time to self migrate to more acceptable political ground is right now, before its too late.

Do not expect any graciousness if you support abortion while living in a deep red county and vice versa.


Posted by: sneakytails | May 3 2022 20:13 utc | 83

@84

Actually I think it was more like the 60's than the 70's, but I didn't want to admit my age.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 3 2022 20:17 utc | 84

In America there is abortion debate. In Russia there is no such thing because Russians believe it is their sacred right for them to be able to kill their babies. The Orthodox Church almost never says anything about it because the Russian Orthodox Church is a spiritual prostitute and has been ruled by Satan himself for millennia.

Posted by: ArmoDude | May 3 2022 20:20 utc | 85

When the Left focuses on social and cultural issues it divides the populous and loses. When it focuses on economic issues, that is, the core of actual Left ideology, it unites the populous and can win. It is obvious which strategy it should choose--but that path is not taken because there is no coherent Left in America. It is obvious what strategy the Right--and that includes the Democrats and neolibs-- has chosen. More of the same divisive, very effective, confusion.

Posted by: Rodrigo | May 3 2022 17:28 utc | 21

I think that inflation, magnified by the sanctions on Russia, will clobber Democrats.

Concerning abortion, I think it is important, but the sober reality is that fewer Americans care than those who care about their earning power, or bewildering state of our health care. What we get are generic ads like "Biden cares about people like me."

Posted by: Piotr Berman | May 3 2022 20:21 utc | 86

Not even 100 posts yet and already there's an outbreak of extreme hostility and gutter language in this thread. Get a grip of yourselves!

Not only confirms this exactly b's point that the whole thing is a distraction to sow discord and divide people once more and even deeper, it is a disgrace! This blogs commentariat prides itself mostly to comment and discuss in a civilized manner and with arguments instead of narcissistic hatemongering.

None of you knows if there's a soul at all, much less in an unborn child. If you think you know you're just a strong believer. Believe is not knowledge. You're free to believe whatever you want, but as soon as you force your believe onto others you're no different from fascists or islamists or evangelists.

The issue is pretty clear to me though: since the whole male contribution to a pregnancy is a few minutes of grunting, making a stupid face, convulsing a bit, and then roll off, but the female part is not only to carry the little meatball for 9 months, but to take care of it in most cases for 12 to 40 years or even longer, always at risk of having to shoulder it all alone - it is entirely the decision of the woman what to do about it.

And it's really not like it's a huge achievement and incredible gift to make a child. Any dumbass can do it, that's why there are almost 8.000.000.000 people on earth. And to play the race card: the overwhelming majority of them is neither blonde nor white - this is why "conservative" people hate abortion - they fear the extinction of the white race. It has nothing to do with them being christian or believing in a higher power - because they simply aren't and don't. If they were and would, there would be no hate, no suffering caused by people, no deadly violence, no war, probably not even capitalism. Because all of those things contradict the idea of christianity. And it wouldn't even matter if god exists or not - as long as all believers of any religion would behave according to the respective guidelines, humanity would thrive and prosper, and we would all lead happy lifes. But they don't. And we don't.

Posted by: xototox | May 3 2022 20:28 utc | 87

"Maybe men would finally figure out that this is simply about repression and one bronze age religious sect's arbitrary definition of life."

Posted by: Michael.j | May 3 2022 17:29 utc | 23

Agreed, and well stated. IMO, just another attempt to throttle the power women hold in human endeavors.

I call it V power.

Posted by: vetinLA | May 3 2022 20:29 utc | 88

A lot of putrid patriarchy posting here, as in "who cares?"

Women care. But pustules of male domination ceaselessly work to exert control over women, to suppress their voices, or of anyone not fitting their god-given images, as if they were their property. It's the essence of patriarchy, and it infests not only the west, but Russia, China, and most cultures actually.

The way things are going, between war and destruction of the biosphere, patriarchy is literally killing the hu"man" race.

I stand with Miranda.

Posted by: Trisha | May 3 2022 20:37 utc | 89

Re; My 84 and this

"Macron is introducing electronic ID's, as is Putin (much to my surprise)".

I am totally wrong. Putin is NOT introducing electronic Ids'. See the post on the open thread by by "karlof1 | May 3 2022 19:24 utc | 24" for the correct version, and to see how one unsupported post has lead to a series of people (including me) making the wrong conclusion.

Macron IS doing it though.

Posted by: Stonebird | May 3 2022 20:41 utc | 90

Biden = Andropov
Kamala = Chernenko

Posted by: Exile | May 3 2022 20:41 utc | 91

I don't know about souls, but surely there is plenty of evidence that fetuses have mental lives and events starting at some point in pregnancy. I was born one month premature myself. Obviously I was a person with a mental life when I was born, and it would have been a crime to kill me. Why would it have been any different five minutes before I was born?

Posted by: Lysias | May 3 2022 20:55 utc | 92

Compelling aspects of this impending scotus decision are as telling as the decision as a whole. We've never had such a leak from the court before, for one thing. I'd guess somebody on the staff of Chief Justice Roberts wanted to create a big kerfuffle, urging the bill's signatories (Roberts is not one of them) to tone it down a little.

Roberts is distressed that he's totally lost control of the Supreme Court, which is losing all legitimacy among USA's polity. Ragged rightists ring the bell on all rights not explicitly delineated in the Constitution. It's back to the "original intent" of founding slaveholders. The relevance to non-Oz parts: the kernel of shatters. States pass laws against the laws of other states -- disputes to be settled by the same troglodytes at the top of our judicial pyramid.

Joe Lauria's ConsortiumNews just had its PayPal account seized for no reason. PayPal isn't literally the state, you see. If USA arbitrarily seized Lauria's 10K, it would be domestic sanctions, gross violations of citizen's rights. But PayPal is just a private company, you see. Company policy is coming for you.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 3 2022 20:55 utc | 93

b
Can we get rid of the tag team?
much appreciated

Posted by: ld | May 3 2022 20:55 utc | 94

Trisha@92

“ patriarchy is killing the human race”

Text book cultural Marxist response. These marxists are so tiresome how they whine and complain about white males, yet they expect everything to be given to them on a platter. Who is going to do the work? Provide for the poor, underserved, abused POC wretches? The lesbian studies majors?

Posted by: Obamavirus | May 3 2022 20:57 utc | 95

Not only shall all poeple in the USA now think about abortion rights in the USA , the entire western world shall now think about abortion rights in the USA, so says empire media

Posted by: jimmy | May 3 2022 21:04 utc | 96

I want to see the libruls flip out so I hope Scotus overturns Roe v Wade.

Posted by: steve | May 3 2022 21:08 utc | 97

A most interesting exposure to uncomfortable truth.

Welcome to the Union of the Soviet States of Amerika!

We the people of the ailing in the twilight years "USSR". Have been brainwashed to believe "We are the only true democracy". We constantly elect the corrupt, corporate shills, plutocrats and sociopaths. To lead us to become a bankrupt banana republic.....

Yet , in reality treat over 50% of the current population as fourth class citizens and baby factories.

Such is life, living in a faux democracy............

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 3 2022 21:18 utc | 98

When America is not waging wars of aggression against official foreign enemies, Americans will wage culture war against each other.

The Red State vs. Blue State culture war is only the domestic version of America's military and economic wars against the world.

War is US.

Posted by: ak74 | May 3 2022 21:22 utc | 99

Roe v Wade being overturned on top of the crushing US Fed debt will be the straw that renders the Fed govt irrelevant. There will ultimately be no states that are capable of financing their operations without federal dole that will be beholden to the capricious rulings of an appointed SCOTUS.

I for one look forward to this day, even though it will make a hash of state border crossings and result in limited civil war. The US Fed govt has become a tyranny to people of every political stripe, useful currently only for laundering taxpayer contributions and floating states that are too economically underdeveloped to pave their own roads.

Posted by: Miller | May 3 2022 21:23 utc | 100

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