Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 27, 2022

As Things Fall Apart Biden May Want To Escalate

Is reality setting in? Is that why a Washington Post reporter, who has been on the frontline in Ukraine, was allowed to write this?

Ukrainian volunteer fighters in the east feel abandoned

[A]fter three months of war, this company of 120 men is down to 54 because of deaths, injuries and desertions.

The volunteers were civilians before Russia invaded on Feb. 24, and they never expected to be dispatched to one of the most dangerous front lines in eastern Ukraine. They quickly found themselves in the crosshairs of war, feeling abandoned by their military superiors and struggling to survive.

In mid February these people were still civilians in some town in west Ukraine. They then 'volunteered', to avoid a draft into the army, for the territorial defense forces with the hope to serve near their homes:

Lapko, built like a wrestler, was made a company commander in the 5th Separate Rifle Battalion, in charge of 120 men. The similarly burly Khrus became a platoon commander under Lapko. All of their comrades were from western Ukraine. They were handed AK-47 rifles and given training that lasted less than a half-hour.

“We shot 30 bullets and then they said, ‘You can’t get more; too expensive,’ ” Lapko said.

They were given orders to head to the western city of Lviv. When they got there, they were ordered to go south and then east into Luhansk province in Donbas, portions of which were already under the control of Moscow-backed separatists and are now occupied by Russian forces.

The men were put into a frontline ditch and have since been shelled again and again without any ability to respond. They then disregarded the orders from above and left. They have now be arrested.

The military values of such units was zero to begin with. Untrained men under command of an inexperienced civilian and with no real weapons have no chance to hold out against a professional military force like the Russian army.

That 60 or so of them got killed or wounded for no good reason is the responsibility of the servant of the corrupt (recommended), President Vlodomir Zelenski, and those 'western' politicians, like Boris Johnson, who egg him on.

But the biggest part of the responsibility for the life of those men falls to the Biden administration. It tried to push Zelensky to invade Donbas in early 2021. Back then Russia started large scale maneuvers and made clear that they would intervene. Zelensky got cold feet and pulled back. As the Carnegie Endowment's Dmitri Tretin reported at that time:

In February [2021], Zelensky ordered troops (as part of the rotation process) and heavy weapons (as a show of force) to go near to the conflict zone in Donbas. He did not venture out as far as Poroshenko, who dispatched small Ukrainian naval vessels through the Russian-controlled waters near the Kerch Strait in late 2018, but it was enough to get him noticed in Moscow. The fact of the matter is that even if Ukraine cannot seriously hope to win the war in Donbas, it can successfully provoke Russia into action. This, in turn, would produce a knee-jerk reaction from Ukraine’s Western supporters and further aggravate Moscow’s relations, particularly with Europe. One way or another, the fate of Nord Stream II will directly affect Ukraine’s interests. Being seen as a victim of Russian aggression and presenting itself as a frontline state checking Russia’s further advance toward Europe is a major asset of Kyiv’s foreign policy.

When the 2021 attempt had failed the Biden administration did not change its general plan as it is part of a larger strategy to push the 'west' into a new cold war with Russia and China. After the 2021 attempt on Donbas had failed the U.S. immediately prepared for a new attempt to provoke Russia in Ukraine in spring 2022.

The first instruction that Secretary of State Antony Blinken got from President Biden was to “reset” America’s alliances and partnerships abroad so that the United States could deal with the challenges ahead. That strategy would prove decisive in combating Russia’s aggression against Ukraine.

Blinken and other officials gave me new details this week, describing a series of behind-the-scenes meetings over the past year that helped forge the U.S.-led coalition to support Ukraine.
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The Biden administration’s secret planning began in April 2021 when Russia massed about 100,000 troops on the Ukrainian border. The buildup turned out to be a feint, but Blinken and other officials discussed U.S. intelligence about Russia’s actions with leaders of Britain, France and Germany at a NATO meeting in Brussels that month. Their message was, “We need to get ourselves prepared,” a senior State Department official said.
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The Ukraine threat got red-hot in October, when the United States gathered intelligence about a renewed Russian buildup on the border, along with “some detail about what Russian plans for those forces actually were,” Blinken said. This operational detail “was really the eye opener.” The Group of 20 nations were meeting at the end of October in Rome, and Biden pulled aside the leaders of Britain, France and Germany and gave them a detailed readout on the top-secret evidence.

“It was galvanizing enough that there was an agreement … to fleshing out the consequences for Russia if it went ahead with the aggression,” Blinken said.
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Threatening sanctions can be an empty diplomatic ritual. But in December, Blinken and his colleagues began seriously discussing with allies what steps they would take. The initial venue was a Group of Seven foreign ministers meeting in Liverpool, England, on Dec. 11. The attendees publicly committed that there would be “massive consequences and severe costs,” Blinken remembered. As a result, he said, “when the aggression actually happened, we were able to move immediately.”

NATO military planning accelerated along with the diplomacy. Air Force Gen. Tod Wolters, the NATO commander, told me that his colleagues began preparing in December and January the “ground lines of communication” that would allow rapid shipment of arms into Ukraine. They studied entry points for supplies and other practical details. This weapons pipeline delivered Stinger and Javelin missiles before the invasion began Feb. 24 and has transferred huge numbers of heavier weapons since then.

That narrative is of course deeply misleading. The U.S. did not know of a 'Russian invasion'. What it knew was that Zelensky, pushed by the U.S., would make another attempt to invade the Donbas republics with overwhelming force and that Russia's leadership would have to react to such an assault on its compatriots.

The Ukrainian assault began on February 16 when over several days Ukrainian artillery increased its bombardment of Donbas by a factor of 40. Russia reacted to that and on February 24 preempted the planned ground assault.

The above part of Biden's plan to provoke Russia into a war as a means to strengthen the U.S. position in Europe has worked well.

But how long will the coalition of the 'west' hold when inflation, energy scarcity and hunger set in? European unity is already falling apart with each country scrambling to fulfill its own energy needs.

Everyone can now see that the Ukraine, and with it the U.S., is losing the war. Meanwhile Russia is doing much better than anyone had expected.

What is Biden's plan now as things fall apart? Escalating towards a wider war is an option but the risk of it is much higher than potential gains.

Still, for Biden it may be the only way he is willing to go.

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watcher #197

I have a suspicion (it really is just a suspicion not a statement) that the Hendra virus that killed a few people in Australia might have been an escape from a biolab. It was another bat story, which somehow I doubt.

Agreed, it was a strange story. Bats and horses and humans are often closely co resident. I lived in a locality where there was a group of people that cared for injured bats, some had the babies tucked in their cleavage to keep them warm! Bats clambering about heads and shoulders etc.... Some that bat rescue squad even had horses as I recall. Never heard of any illness.

My spidey sense is twitching regarding Monkey pox, newly emerging. It is obviously a variant (close relative) of smallpox and its recent emergence just after biolabs are hastily dismantled, has me curious. At least we do have a vaccine for this (or should have) and most of us oldies are probably protected. If I were Xi or Putin or Kim or the Ayotollah in Iran, I would be ramping up the production of smallpox vaccine. I would like it here in Australia too for my kids and grandkids.

We should make said vax here at the Geelong(?) CSIRO lab or some local manufacturer. It would be good to rebuild the capacity and social purpose of the CSIRO. IMO vaccines should primarily be produced in public sector manufacture.

My sixth sense tells me the same regarding the rapid emergence so close to abandoning the biolabs and immediately transporting inventory across the globe in a rush.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 28 2022 5:19 utc | 201

Report from Rybar Telegram channel on Ukrainian preparations for yet another stupid attempt to take Snake Island...

The situation in the area of ​​​​Snake Island as of May 27

In the Odessa region continues (https://t.me/rybar/33118) preparations for the operation on Snake Island.
Marine security boats in the coastal zone of Odessa and Chernomorsk conducted training firing from grenade launchers.
Servicemen of the 73rd MTR Center conducted a training landing using Villard-type boats in the Taranovaya Spit area.
Tactical aircraft Su-25, under the cover of MiG-29 fighters, flew in the area east of Odessa from the Voznesensk airfield.
The Bayraktar drone monitors the activities of the Russian Armed Forces on Zmeiny Island from the area of ​​​​Lake Sasyk.
The only missile boat of the Ukrainian Navy "Priluki" entered the port of Odessa a couple of days ago. Against the background of information (https://t.me/rybar/32272?single) on the supply of British Brimstone missiles and ground launchers, it is possible to equip the boat with these weapons.
25 km from Zmeiny, on the coast of the Odessa region, RTR facilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine operate, which allow monitoring air objects.
The strategic UAV RQ-4B of the US Air Force operates from the Sigonella airbase in the Black Sea. Previously (https://t.me/rybar/33169) he was active in the area on May 25th.

Map in high resolution

(https://i.ibb.co/cw2yvD0/26-05-01.jpg)#Odessa #USA #Ukraine
@rybar


Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 28 2022 5:19 utc | 202


what's to say that CSIRO have not already been repurposed as US biolabs? We've had plenty of strange outbreaks here over the years.

Does anyone have a list of the suspicious labs worldwide?

Posted by: K | May 28 2022 5:26 utc | 203

Great update, B!
What does Biden plan to do?
Well the incompetent idiots and psychopaths that they are, will now send Ukraine long range missiles to hit Russia with.
What is the true goal here?
A mass depopulation event?
Russia will react. And Biden and his incompetent psychopathic billionaire elite WILL NOT like the outcome.

Let's see how long Americans will allow this weapons and money laundering bonanza to continue, while Biden puts American lives on the line in favor of the Zionist agenda.

Posted by: Kay | May 28 2022 5:30 utc | 204

@CalDre | May 27 2022 15:59 utc | 4

"That pretty much defines cannon fodder. For the glory of ... "

1. Their role is to take bullets -- not shoot them.
2. And you may as well add "glory to the rotten to the core, bought and paid for, mass media peddling twisted propaganda as news."

Posted by: imo | May 28 2022 5:31 utc | 205

Latest Russian MoD briefing...

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision air-based missiles of the Russian Aerospace Forces have hit positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' 10th Mountain Assault Brigade near Bakhmut, Donetsk People's Republic. 7 command and observation posts and 13 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration have been hit.

Also, 1 Buk-M1 anti-aircraft missile launcher and 1 radar of the Ukrainian S-300 anti-aircraft missile system have been destroyed near Barvenkovo. In addition, 1 Ukrainian air defence guidance and targeting radar station has been destroyed near Gusarovka, Kharkov Region.

Operational-tactical and army aviation have hit 44 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment.

The attacks have resulted in the elimination of more than 250 nationalists and 84 military equipment, including 9 tanks, 5 Grad multiple rocket launchers, 10 mounts of field artillery and 22 vehicles of various types. In addition, 2 ammunition depots have been destroyed near Spornoe in Donetsk People's Republic and Barvenkovo in Kharkov Region.

Russian air defence means have shot down 1 MiG-29 aircraft of the Ukrainian Air Force over Belyary, Odessa Region.

In addition, 8 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles have been destroyed near Liptsy, Balakleya, Malye Prokhody, Glubokoe, Glinskoe in Kharkiv Region, and Yampol, Maslyakovka, Vasilevka in Donetsk People's Republic, as well as 1 Ukrainian Tochka-U ballistic missile have been intercepted near Svatovo in Lugansk People's Republic.

Missile troops and artillery have hit 77 command posts of AFU units, 412 areas of manpower and military equipment concentration, as well as 53 artillery firing positions.

As a result of a strike against a pontoon company near Zavgorodnee, Kharkov Region, another attempt to equip a pontoon crossing by the Ukrainian Armed Forces across the Severskyi Donets River has been disrupted.

In total, 180 Ukrainian airplanes and 127 helicopters, 1,027 unmanned aerial vehicles, 324 anti-aircraft missile systems, 3,281 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 438 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,693 field artillery and mortars, as well as 3,218 units of special military vehicles were destroyed during the operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 28 2022 5:45 utc | 206

to Karlof1@11 and Pagan@58, i think you're close. to the rest of youse:

Poland has made a move. commentators above are not paying attention because it's not
in your mindsets. probabilities are overwhelming said Polish initiative has Russian approval.

1) the paradigm is a mirror image of the Soviet takeover of Poland in 1945.
(the actors change, the roles don't).
2) Russia can envision how this will play out because they studied the Solidarity movement
which defied Communism. (what the Comintern saw was what awaited Russia, minus
the unity of the Catholic Church (Kenneth Jowitt, UC Berkeley).
3) the Ukrainian public has been marginated by this war. a neutral Ukraine can build
nationhood without violent internal conflict or external interference. the diaspora's interest
and resources will contribute and enrich. in a generation the world will have changed
enough that current issues will be dead letters in a new and global problematic.

and btw, still under the previous Polish government, Putin tried to push Galicia off on
Sikorski the Polish Foreign Minister - on camera. Sikorski didn't even break a smile.

i could be wrong. or you're a bunch of squeaky broken records.

Posted by: BLP | May 28 2022 5:51 utc | 207


"..We've had plenty of strange outbreaks here over the years."

Posted by: K | May 28 2022 5:26 utc | 203

Its interesting that Melbourne with its CSL and CSIRO labs is central to the highest number of C19 cases and longest lockdowns.
It might be interesting to look at patient zero locations vs ethnicity.

Posted by: Dadda | May 28 2022 6:27 utc | 208

Biolabs. I get a strange sense of relief, or reassurance, thinking that it takes so many labs, and there have been so many incompetent leaks or planned excursions, and still humanity is standing.

It's almost as if the plague is not as bad as the fear suggests.

Somewhat like, none of the manufactured fear and the manufactured crises could possibly arise and sustain themselves in any organic sense. It takes a lot of energy poured into sustaining them - because the sanity and the normalcy and the sheer robustness of the original world is greater than these poisons.

The very fact that function has to be gained says a lot about the natural safety of life in this world, if evil would just fuck off out of the equation.

Not that I start from believing that the above claims are the way things are, simply that they have to try so hard to fuck things up, and it still doesn't work great, that maybe all this is evidence of sorts, showing the true scale of things...

It's a beginning thought, not a finished one, so it's raw. But something is there...

Posted by: Grieved | May 28 2022 6:44 utc | 209

@134 Richard Steven Hack | May 27 2022 22:55 utc

Strelkov. Some people go so far as to call him a traitor to Russia. An adventurer who jumped in and started a war that Russia didn't want, and who thus screwed up every chance of Russia's managing the situation that emerged out of Maidan.

I don't want to deal with personalities, but just the possibilities of policy and strategy that existed at that time. We know that Putin asked the breakaway republics not to break away, but he didn't ask very strongly, all things considered, and he did it at the last moment.

But back in those days, even the Ukrainian armed forces weren't very sure who they owed allegiance to, and whether the post-coup president was actually a legitimate leader for a soldier to follow. What was Ukraine and what was Mother Russia? All these questions were up the air and unanswered, and could possibly have been answered. Many things were shifted even from these small winds blowing, and who knows what might have been managed with some effort and direction?

~~

So much was possible, from the large view from Russia. But that was from the safety of the Kremlin. On the bleeding ground, Strelkov jumped in and led the rebel forces into battle, which was all they could see in front of them anyway. All the possibilities open to Russia ended at that point, other than to support the republics.

But Russia always strove to keep Ukraine as a united nation. It was the Nazi rot and cruelty that poisoned the republics forever against Ukraine, and poisoned Ukraine to some degree too for that matter.

Russia will now scour away the poisoning from Ukraine, but the republics can never return, and they've paid the price of entry into the Motherland, and no beating heart could deny them that. And Putin is nothing if not a beating heart.

But yea, Strelkov. It's a two-edged sword, and I don't know the man and cannot comment on him as such. But the possibilities ended when he led the charge, and everything then funneled into the last eight years.

~~

ps...personally, if I were the Kremlin, I would blame myself

Posted by: Grieved | May 28 2022 7:05 utc | 210

Guys, is there any truth to rumors circulating about Poland possibly grabbing some land in Ukraine? Gonzalo Lira mentioned this and said Hungary would also be part of these attacks.

And today this guy corroborated Lira's hypothesis:

https://gpovanman.wordpress.com/2022/04/28/historic-high-jinks/

It seems to be hearsay at this stage. Do we have any statements from an official source?

Posted by: Melkiades | May 28 2022 7:26 utc | 211

The WaPo story b discusses might soon be seen as the first pebble presaging an avalanche of reality therapy, regarding military outcomes in Ukraine. Reports from Davos reflect other heavy hitters (not just Henry) attempting to shift this war-machine into reverse, all the sudden!

I can hardly believe it. I wouldn't have expected reality to bite so severely, so quickly, that elites approach panic mode before June. The scale and significance of NATO's ongoing defeat is only subtle because Russia has the good sense to eschew the triumphalism it merits, since Azovstal fell.

The West's military performance has been risible, while the "sanctions" part -- the economic warfare -- has been suicidal already. It can't be good for western politicians, in general, to be dealing with increasingly angry polities -- a rubber band stretched so tight, you know it's about to snap. Acknowledging limited failure is not an option. We in exceptional USA will need a much bigger failure than this before the curtain can fall on this terrible tragedy.

Cue much bigger disaster...

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 28 2022 8:08 utc | 212

##---Posted by: Oriental Voice | May 27 2022 20:15 utc | 95

Why do you think they tapped Merkels personal phone? When seemingly rational people start doing irrational things, I always think of the dead prostitute in The Godfather.

Posted by: Anne B | May 28 2022 8:13 utc | 213

Apologies if this Caitlyn Johnston article has already been posted,

https://caitlinjohnstone.substack.com/p/msm-offers-rare-glimpse-into-how?s=r

Comment: The Ziocon war is lost, the question is how much more public money do they want to throw at a loss making enterprise?

Talk about 'picking winners'.

Meanwhile, in my little air-conditioned anthill the bureaucratic micro management government machine carries on, in every aspect of my life, as if nothing has changed.

More forms and more endless compliance ONLINE. As if I am an unpaid filing clerk for the government.

How much longer can I afford to live in a stranded asset in a bureaucratic sovereign risk jurisdiction? .

Posted by: Paul | May 28 2022 8:14 utc | 214

Great read and EXCELLENT Readers' Comments!

When they have to trot out the mummified carcass of good 'ole "Henry The Kissinger' to save their bacon, and he (of all people) states:

"Ya wants peace, UKR? Give up some of your dirt to RUSS."

You know that "TEAM UNI-POLAR MIC" is in deep doo-doo.


Posted by: CPL Antero Rokka | May 28 2022 8:48 utc | 215

A potato a day says Mercouris.

That is what the Ukrainian frontline soldiers (now pow) report they had to live on plus byo water or find it somewhere.

So back in the USA, Bernie Sanders and the fraudSquad supported the $40b armaments bill just the same, not a whimper or even a call for a 100% increase in rations = two potatoes a day.

So USA soldiers look on and see who cares for them.

Certainly no one in Congress or Senate standing up calling out the inhuman treatment of these poorly equipped and barely trained people of this earth. There is no pit deep enough drop the treacherous Sanders and fraudSquad and congress and senate into.

Max Blumenthal and Aaron Mate skewer Bernie Sanders and the progressive Squad's vote in favor of the $40 billion package of Ukraine military aid – a titanic scam channeling public money into the pockets of the arms industry and Beltway defense contractors.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | May 28 2022 8:55 utc | 216

watcher | May 28 2022 2:40 utc | 174

reread.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 28 2022 8:55 utc | 217

watcher

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermobaric_weapon
A conventional explosive simply blasts away the air around it. A fuel air explosive consumes the air around it. And any pathogens that air may contain.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 28 2022 9:03 utc | 218

About the discussion on nuclear power reactors and plutonium. Yes, power reactors both produce and burn plutonium. Yes, you can reprocess the fuel rods and extract plutonium. However, you cannot make a nuclear bomb with plutonium from a power reactor.

I'll explain why if people are really interested, but the explanation is long and somewhat technical. For those who want to do their own research, it has to do with the power reactor not on producing Pu239 but also Pu240. Pu for weapons is produced in special reactors that are optimized to minimize Pu240 production.

Posted by: pls | May 28 2022 9:03 utc | 219

From Intel Slava

🇺🇦⚡Poroshenko is trying to escape from Ukraine to Poland, now at the checkpoint, according to the Ukrainian border service

Before that, the arrested Medvedchuk testified against the ex-president of Ukraine and an investigation began. The politician announced Poroshenko's involvement in the purchase of coal from the LPR and the DPR and the withdrawal of the oil pipeline to private ownership.

🇺🇦🇵🇱 Poroshenko was allowed into Poland

Posted by: Down South | May 28 2022 9:03 utc | 220

For what it is worth, economical boat or cabin heating from a Finish yachtsman:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Noonsite+Finland+yacht+heaters++

Congratulations to noonsite.com for sharing.

Posted by: Paul | May 28 2022 9:07 utc | 221

Great points by this german:

Germany sleepwalking into war with Russia – former intel chief

Hans-Georg Maassen, who from 2012-18 was president of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Germany’s domestic security agency, has warned that the country is “sleepwalking” into a direct military confrontation with Russia by delivering weapons to Ukraine.

https://thepressunited.com/updates/germany-sleepwalking-into-war-with-russia-former-intel-chief/

Posted by: Zanon | May 28 2022 9:18 utc | 222

The last time I tried to break up my thoughts into smaller passages they got exterminated! So pardon the length of what started as grateful acknowledgement to the posters here who are a bane to the burden of the Narrative we are supposed to believe. Hope some of the following makes sense to some.

@Posted by: ak74 | May 28 2022 1:39 utc | 164
Piracy, theft, land grabbing, usurious trade and at the base of it all - slavery : is what the USA of today was planned and set up as.

It was merely a synthesis of the same forces that set up the original corporations and nation states that they could control ‘internationally’

@ Posted by: bevin | May 28 2022 1:53 utc | 166
& Posted by: watcher | May 28 2022 2:53 utc | 177
& many others

It’s been a stated plan for years that Ukraine would be the ‘cork’ that would stop the SCO and the ‘new Silk Road’ BRI at its entrance to Western Europe and the incorporation of Africa into it.

That also requires the other route to be controlled the Georgia/ Armenia part and further south the Iraq/ Iran. And the southern most link that would go between Yemen and Eriteria/Djibouti - the easiest part to bridge.

The original, the eldest, Robber Barons who build and destroy nations at their whim KNOW that the loss of their traditional feeding ground of AFRICA would be the final nail in their millennia long claim of Ownership of the Earth, its Resources and ALL its peoples.

Hyperbolic? I admit it reads like that , but for anyone not familiar with an Atlas or a globe a quick look would confirm how and why are minion Nordic states being cemented into place from the Artic Sea as the Fortress Europe Wall bricks to the Arabian Sea as a means of retaining control over Africa.
Forcing trade to remain a Maritime activity that Navy’s could control.

The Chinese as the current manufactory base of the SCO are not about to let that happen. The Russians have taken on the brunt of stopping the plans on their western and southern axis. China will flex its muscle in the East and Southern Seas.

The Empire is dead ...

Back to Ukraine...

The partition is required to achieve that strategic bottle neck.

However it required control over the Black Sea and the Sea of Azov and so Crimea. Hence the massive amounts of military links and bases planned for a decade there. Why the fuck else was nato building bases there and sending Naval vessels?

A final purpose of the suicidal attack of the last decade and the long planned partition is De-Ukrainianisation of Ukraine!
The means of land grabbing of the fecund black soil which was handed to these peoples and which has not been allowed to be sold legally to foreign ownership. The legislature consistently refusing to vote for it.
That explains why the legislatures have to be removed now; hence elensky’s banning of most political representation. Leaving the broken Ukraine legally unable to let Ukrainians retain their land, allowing the poles to take over.

It is only by viewing the arc of history that we can gain a true understanding of what seems like chaotic emotional events blamed on ‘personalities’ and ‘leaders’ and to name the self proclaimed ‘Owners’ who hide in plain sight.

What of the future of the artificial ‘nation’ USA?
It won’t remain as a single nation. It can’t. Because of the idiotic nature of its electoral college which diminishes the vote of its populace states and provides its less populace states with a handicap advantage! These peoples acknowledge they are strangers to each other and the minority intends to retain control over the majority. The majority will have a say in that.

The USA is dead man walking ... it’s owners know and don’t care because they are supranational, always have been.

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 28 2022 9:20 utc | 223

the pessimist | May 27 2022 22:39 utc | 128

Not to argue with you but Lavrov must be delighted that the West have chosen Zelensky, with all his very conspicuous failings and ineptitudes, to represent Ukraine

This choice, and subsequent actions, describes the gulf between the interests of the Ukraine and the would be ambitions of the US, and the swiftness of his failures will serve his country better by enlightening the greater part of the population as to causes of his and their defeat

Posted by: Gerrard White | May 28 2022 9:21 utc | 224

Watcher @ 197, Uncle Tungsten @ 201:

Monkeypox appears to be a mild disease and nearly everyone who contracts it survives. Fatality rate is 5 or 6% according to one online source I have seen. In addition the transmission risk is low and a person would need to be in constant close contact with an infected person to get the disease.

As far as I know, nearly all monkeypox cases in the UK involve gay or bisexual men. This might suggest that the disease is spreading through contact with body fluids.

The smallpox vaccine is not all that safe and one risk among many of vaccination is that a vaccinated person, especially if s/he is immunocompromised, may develop smallpox. To stop a disease that most people recover from in about two weeks with a vaccine that could actually cause more problems than the disease itself may be foolhardy.

Posted by: Jen | May 28 2022 9:46 utc | 225

Tanker war restarted

Looks like the Greek will not be driving their cars this summer.

Iran Seizes 2 Greek Tankers Amid Row Over US Oil Grab - Reuters via VOA, May 27, 2022

DUBAI/ATHENS — Iranian forces seized two Greek tankers in the Gulf on Friday, shortly after Tehran warned it would take "punitive action" against Athens over the confiscation of Iranian oil by the United States from a tanker held off the Greek coast.
...

Greek authorities last month impounded the Iranian-flagged Pegas, with 19 Russian crew members on board, near the coast of the southern island of Evia due to European Union sanctions.

The United States later confiscated the Iranian oil cargo held onboard and plans to send it to the United States on another vessel, Reuters reported Thursday.

The Pegas was later released, but the seizure inflamed tensions at a delicate time, with Iran and world powers seeking to revive a nuclear deal that Washington abandoned under former President Donald Trump in favor of returning sanctions on Iran.

Earlier on Friday, Nour News, which is affiliated to an Iranian state security body, said on Twitter: "Following the seizure of an Iranian tanker by the Greek government and the transfer of its oil to the Americans, #Iran has decided to take punitive action against #Greece."

If this escalates, the Persian Gulf, the Suez Canal and the Eastern Mediterranean may become unsafe for European shipping.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | May 28 2022 9:56 utc | 226

Stickers stuck to notable graves in famous French graveyard saying "If we were alive we'd support Zelensky"

The Ukrainisation of Europe is well under way.


"In the Parisian cemetery of Père Lachaise, several dozen graves and even family crypts showed stickers - on a light background framed by a yellow and blue rant, the words were emblazoned"If I were alive, I would support Zelensky." Among the dead (and long ago) who made up the "team of fans" of the Ukrainian president were, for example, Edith Piaf, Marshal of Napoleon Michel Ney, Frédéric Chopin, Jean-Baptiste Molière, Eloise (the one whom Abelard loved) and even Jim Morrison (doors frontman)."


https://ria.ru/20220528/ukrainizatsiya-1791268836.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 28 2022 9:57 utc | 227

The West/Ukraine supporting countries, and Zelensky face a harsh reality on World Health Organisation resolution vote.


"The vote at the 75th session of the World Health Assembly, the decision making body the World Health Organization (WHO), indicated that the world community appears to be taking an increasingly sober view of the situation in and around Ukraine, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Friday.

"We are pleased to state that out of the 183 WHO member states that attended the session and that have voting rights, only 88 states supported Ukraine’s resolution. Ukraine and its allies failed to mobilize even half of the votes in their support, although, as far as we know, they had put unprecedented pressure on other countries prior to the session and during it," the statement says.

"There is an evident tendency for the world community to look more and more soberly at the situation in and around Ukraine, unwilling to sacrifice multilateral cooperation in the crucial areas for all humankind," the statement added.

The Foreign Ministry pointed out that during the 75th session of the World Health Assembly in Geneva on May 26 "Ukraine and its Western supporters attempted once again to politicize the work of international organizations called to facilitate multilateral cooperation among countries in relevant areas, in this case - in health care.

"An anti-Russian resolution was submitted which contained lies and reality-distorting statements and was designed to isolate our country and exclude it from the WHO work. Regrettably, the document was adopted owing to the consolidated support of the European countries that had initiated a resolution of the WHO Regional Committee for Europe on May 10, which was aimed at terminating cooperation with Russia in the WHO European Region," the ministry stressed."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 28 2022 10:04 utc | 228

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 28 2022 9:57 utc | 227

What an affront, invoking the dead for contemporary political purposes. JM $ EP et al could at least think for themselves.

Weird scenes inside the [MIC] gold mine.

How low can these creatures go? They are disparates.

Posted by: Paul | May 28 2022 10:10 utc | 229

Paul and Republicofscotland

Dmitry Medvedev writes about the Ukrainization of liver sausage.

"Chancellor Olaf Scholz, aka "offended liver sausage" (in the words of the ambassador of the same Ukraine to Germany, who diligently shits on the heads of citizens of the host country). The holder of the proud sausage title said that Germany will not accept the "peace treaty imposed by Russia" and in this it is in solidarity with Ukraine."
https://t.me/s/medieval_telegram

All I can think is anglo has poked the mild mannered bear.
I have only been looking at this geopolitical stuff since MH17. So many comments in that time about Medvedev, about the central bank - why does Putin keep them... the results speaks for its Sun Tzu self.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | May 28 2022 10:32 utc | 230

Ukraine is fighting hard and holding their own. They are playing the "poor me...send weapons card"
How it started-- Ukraine will play jack in the box and take out thousands of expensive jets and tanks with rocket launchers"
How it's going--The west is packing up heavy expensive gear, training 5 guys and shipping them across the planet so a mortar shell can destroy it.

War of attrition eh? Oops

"hey lets steal all thier stuff"
Heyyyyyy they are stealing all our stuff,, thief thief ....

Posted by: Canada | May 28 2022 10:37 utc | 231

Posted by: Circe | May 27 2022 20:37 utc | 100

You are hilarious. Assad cannot even control his own oilfields. His wheat fields are burned by the US. The Golan Heights are under Israeli control. Assad needs oil and fertiliser and money.

You make it sound as if he had Saudi Arabian wealth or Qatari funds to spend lavishly.

Syria has at least 3 foreign entities on its soil. The only border it controls borders Lebanon

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 28 2022 10:47 utc | 232

the only reason for the US having a huge half-million soldier army

How is that a huge army for a population of 320 million ?

If the US has such a large standing army why does it use Stop-Loss Orders to retain manpower ?

Why is Pentagon looking at shrinking the army to cover up its failure to enlist new recruits ?

How long do you think US soldiers would withstand the intensity of fighting as in Ukraine ? No US soldier has seen that since Korea.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 28 2022 10:59 utc | 233

Pagan @58

But how to organize New Ukraine under Russian tutelage so to prevent meddling from the West. If the Eastern provinces want to go their own way, whatever that may be, New Ukraine will lose the population most friendly toward Russia, making it all the more difficult to manage the rest. This has already been mentioned with the prospects of all southern and eastern provinces seceding, which would leave Western Ukraine with a population of Russia-haters steeped in irredentism. I do not think anyone in Russia wants that.

Yes, this is the question I have been pondering since the start. I am still searching for a good answer. Presumably, what Russia really needs is a “friendly” BUFFER state.

As far as possible, a direct border between RF and NATO should be avoided, e.g. Finland. So Ukraine becoming a member of RF does not seem to qualify.

Posted by: echelon | May 28 2022 11:00 utc | 234

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | May 28 2022 3:24 utc | 186

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 28 2022 3:34 utc | 188

"Nemesis Calling is an undisguised Nazi. He posts here hoping to find gullible, suggestible lurkers whom he may recruit."

CalDre too.

Posted by: Arganthonios | May 28 2022 11:04 utc | 235

Sending arms to Ukrain is like ACME supplying arms to Wyle E Coyote.

Posted by: Mazdak | May 28 2022 11:17 utc | 236

March 7th report on Rothschilds panic letter over Ukraine to Boris Johnson.

Posted by: Anon | May 28 2022 11:35 utc | 237

March 7th report on Rothschild panic letter over Ukraine to Boris Johnson.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/lHCnPq2kVF4a/

Posted by: Anon | May 28 2022 11:38 utc | 238

There seem to be two basic camps as to the extent of the SMO. Some believe that the SMO will only put boots on the ground where the RF is plausibly welcome. Others believe that de-Nazification means occupying the whole of Ukraine.

I have a question for the latter group, What is de-Nazification in specific concrete terms?

I ask that question because it strikes me that if people are going to be arresting then imprisoning or killing anyone that...

Has made statements supportive of the Kiev junta.
Looks like they might be a Nazi.
Sounds like they might a Nazi.
Gets accused of being a Nazi.
Has Nazi tattoos or literature, literally or arguably.

Then the end result will be a new set of Nazis, the ones in the mirror. I don't think the RF really wants to go there.

Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 11:38 utc | 239

Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 11:38 utc | 239

Great. You want to leave Nazis in Ukraine. Why don't you just say so?

Jesus, some people.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | May 28 2022 11:50 utc | 240

Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 11:38 utc | 239

Criminal code recognizes actions, not names or look and feel.

Posted by: sln2002 | May 28 2022 11:50 utc | 241

No US soldier has seen that since Korea.
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 28 2022 10:59 utc | 233

You do a disservice to all American Vietnam War vets, including me, with that statement.

Posted by: waynorinorway | May 28 2022 11:54 utc | 242

@ Richard Steven Hack | May 28 2022 11:50 utc | 240

Typical strawman crap.

You didn't answer my question though. Assuming for arguments sake that the RF has conquered all of Ukraine and also assuming that the higher ranking Nazis and those who had committed obvious crimes against humanity were now in custody, what now? If we put you in charge of policy, what steps are you going to take? (specifics please, not platitudes)

Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 12:31 utc | 243

"What an affront, invoking the dead for contemporary political purposes."

Paul (229).

Yes its disgraceful to say that dead people would surely do or think this or that, though its not the first time dead people have been used for political leverage pro-Westminster forces used this tactic against Scotland in 1979.


“Everyone who is dead but on the current roll [like my father] is therefore an automatic No. People who can’t be bothered to go to the polling stations are counted as a No (and usually 25 per cent of the electorate don’t bother turning out in a General Election). So are people on holiday or away on business.”


https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thenational.scot%2Fnews%2F14871480.scotland-back-in-the-day-1979s-40-rule-cooked-the-books-against-devolution%2F

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 28 2022 12:42 utc | 244

Posted by: Pacifica Advocate | May 28 2022 3:34 utc | 188

A crypto Nazi like Nemesis is still allowed to post here while an astute commentator (vk) gets banned. smh

Posted by: v | May 28 2022 12:42 utc | 245

jen @ 225

Surprised monkeypox has not been discussed here yet. It is even less dangerous than you describe. In Africa persons in ill health with no access to medical care may possibly die. In the West, no need to consider fatal outcomes. If identified it is very easy to treat. If not identified and patients not very weak, two to four weeks and it goes away.

Last US outbreak was 2003. 70 people known to have had the pox. No fuss, no deaths. Outbreak closely tied to experiments by the usual suspects - Daszak, Baric, Fauci, Ft. Derrick.

Hopefully we are not discussing it here because most have decided it is just failed propaganda.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 28 2022 12:44 utc | 246

@ sln2002 | May 28 2022 11:50 utc | 241

"Criminal code recognizes actions, not names or look and feel."

A totally fair statement. If de-Nazification is just that, prosecuting overt criminal actions then OK. So long as you realise that that alone will not eliminate pro-Nazi sentiment.

Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 12:49 utc | 247

@ Posted by: pasha | May 27 2022 21:53 utc | 118

A most lively conversation.

Contrary to popular myth and general public misconceptions. The US military budget is tightly controlled. How ever how do you fund ultra top secret construction projects and future war toy designs?

Answer: By the use of black funding. Thus hiding expenses in plain view . Yet the same expenses are diverted to the true purpose and intent. Plus adept use of padding out of various project budgets. What you see , is not quite the actual project budget. Very underhanded and sneaky bottom of the deck. One can say.

Thus , sadly country 404, suffers from absolute corruption at every level. How else would Diktator "Z" siphon off a percentage from the countries annual budget. Then move it directly overseas, after 2019...........

What the SBU discovered . Were multiple very senior sticky fingers in the BIO_LABS construction and annual operational costs. Complete with fake employees............ The SBU report could only generalize. Lest they too would suffer a disappearance. Which was all to prevalent, in country 404 post 1991..........

Now , aside from that issue. Way back in 1969. A novel "Andromeda Strain". Indicated a plausible scenario. Some where in a location undisclosed and hidden both in plain sight! Yet away from satellite view was a top secret underground Bio-Lab in the USA.

Built by the Pentagon as back up for that which had already officially disclosed to the general public. The ones in the open view were disposable treaty entities. For the Pentagon generals always dealt from both the top of deck of cards. And simultaneously from the bottom of the deck as well.

The failed empire of the Union of the Soviet States of Amerika. Has both an open to public view annual budget. Complete with supposed waste and overspending on excessive costly fighter jet spare parts. And a black investment and research budget for future war toys. Based precisely on the so called alleged waste and overspending......

Truth is stranger than fiction......

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 28 2022 12:49 utc | 248

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 28 2022 10:04 utc | 228

in re: TASS 75th WHA roll call

Anglophone press treatment of the two (2) WHO assembly votes masks plenary (dis)unity as was the custom for UN resolutions said to condemn RU, which launched a hundred US homicidal maniacs to persuade abstainers cross over to the right side of history. This WaPoo file (26 May) exemplifies the style of innumeracy favored by allied democracies. (Soon, I will not be surprised to find votes counts recorded as a percentage of unspecified total, sporting margin of error in the first instance and "credibility interval" for series.) On the down-side, 188 with voting rights out 194 WHA members is a scandal. Also, Al Jazeera omited an ICONIC photographic tallyboard record, which I would have liked to add to my collection of Global NATO War "attrition over time".

On the up-side, WaPoo editorial management allowed WHO references in the body of the text. An UPRECEDENTED lol gesture to the new rules-based order of multipolar wtf.

A75/A/CONF./6 "Health emergency in Ukraine and refugee receiving and hosting countries, stemming from the Russian
Federation’s aggression
," Draft resolution proposed by Albania, et al. (+ 45)
YES:88 NO: 12 ABS: 53 (NV: 41)

A75/A/CONF./8 "Health emergency in and around Ukraine and refugee receiving and hosting countries," Draft resolution proposed by the Russian Federation and the Syrian Arab Republic
YES: 15 NO: 66 ABS: 70 (NV: 43)

MEANWHILE, allied forces have rallied to dissemble agreement in WTO to suspend IPR patent waivers.

Posted by: sln2002 | May 28 2022 13:10 utc | 249

So long as you realise that that alone will not eliminate pro-Nazi sentiment.
Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 12:49 utc | 247

well, duh. I'm an adult who survived US race riots of the '60s. And I've parented only one child.

Goldwater--was it?--famously quipped ("despite his opposition to racial segregation") that Congress cannot legislate morality, yanno, the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Posted by: sln2002 | May 28 2022 13:24 utc | 250

Peter AU1 (230).

Yes I think there's been other changes such as Sainbury's in the UK renaming Chicken Kiev to Chicken Kyiv, many bar and clubs have renamed the Moscow Mule drink, the Black Russian and the White Russian drinks in protest.

Such is the brainwashing of Western/European citizens on Ukraine, that a Spanish town has renamed itself Ukraine in Ukraine's honour, albeit on a temporary basis.


https://murciatoday.com/this-is-the-spanish-town-that-changed-its-name-to-ukraine_1765087-a.html??region=7/food-prices-in-spain-quadrupled-between-the-field-and-the-checkout-last-month_13683-a.html

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 28 2022 13:29 utc | 251

sln2002 (249).

Thank you for the info and links.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 28 2022 13:31 utc | 252

Uncletungsten@169....aye, something like the north of Ireland during 'the troubles' if we had MLRSs and a few grads they'd speak Garlic in London and be extra polite. We'd even be nice, Irish thing, and fix their teef for them.

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 28 2022 13:32 utc | 253

Then the end result will be a new set of Nazis, the ones in the mirror. I don't think the RF really wants to go there.

Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 11:38 utc | 239

This kind of filthy false equivalence reeks not only of plain ignorance but also of barely closeted fascism.


What does denazification entail?

-Breaking the fighting capacity of all nazi-affiliated militias and military.

-Destruction of seizure of all weapons and military infrastructure in use by nazis.

-Outlawing and disbanding every nazi-affiliated militia.

-Outlawing and disbanding every nazi-associated civilian association of every type.

-Judging all nazis, collaborators and opportunists suspect of or responsible for crimes against civilians and war crimes.

-Executing every nazi found guilty of capital crimes, whether in custody or fugitive, as soon as possible, within jurisdiction or outside of it.

-Cremation and undisclosed disposal of the remains of executed nazi capital criminals when possible, to prevent a relic cult.

-Sentencing every nazi found guilty of non-capital crimes to reeducation, limitation of liberty, reconstruction labor and community service.

-Sentencing nominal nazis and collaborators found guilty of only petty delinquency to reeducation and community service.

-Banning every nazi-affiliated individual from educational work, youth-related work, public offices, security services and the military.

-Thorough screening, purging and restructuring of all security services.

-Banning every nazi-affiliated individual from lawful weapon ownership and from any work involving dangerous materials

-Restitution of assets seized through nazist policy whenever possible.

-Seizure of all economic assets owned by nazi and collaborationist criminals, exception made of family homes and personal belongings unrelated to nazist activities.

-Location, identification and proper burial for every dead victim of nazist crimes, including nazi-affiliated victims, and compensation for their fanilies.

-Compensation for every living victim of nazist crimes, including nazi-affiliated victims.

-Outlawing of public display of nazist symbology and glorification of nazism.

-Destruction of all nazi-associated monuments for which a "dire warning" or "outstanding historical value" rationales cannot be provided.

-Erection of monuments memorializing the victims of nazism and the victory of their liberators.

-Elimination of all nazist content from the materials used in educational institutions and other public institutions.

-Derogation of all nazist policies and legislation, and judging the surviving public officials responsible for their passing and implementation.

-Publication of all the findings and punishments of these proceedings

I think that'd be a good outline for a maximalist denazification program.

I don't know how many of them the RF and the DNR/LNR will go through, but each and every one of them is a good thing.

Remember:

If you're a nazi. You chose to be a nazi and are responsible for it.

If you engaged in nazi crimes. You chose to engage in nazi crimes and are responsible for it.

But nobody chooses their ethnicity or mother tongue, which is what nazis use to scapegoat others.

Posted by: Arganthonios | May 28 2022 13:40 utc | 254

RF trying out new weapons in Ukraine, with frightening results.

"In the meanwhile, the Russians are providing the real fire and testing new weapons. There is a stream of this and Intel Slava comments. Go to that channel and scroll through to see the extent. The Russian Armed Forces have used a new version of the Solntsepek heavy flamethrower system, TOS-2, during an offensive in the Kharkiv direction. It is based on TOS-1A, but has significant advantages. The platform truck has an increased cross-country capability, increased engagement range and fully automated firing process. The complex is protected by an electronic jamming system.

The day before, the Ukrainian Defence Ministry published a hysterical post on its official Twitter account saying that the Russian Armed Forces were using “the world’s most powerful non-nuclear weapons” on Ukrainian territory and posted a video of the TOS-1A in action in Donbass. This simply breaks the psyche of Ukrainian servicemen."

Here's a piccy of the TOS-1A in action.

Courtesy of the Saker.


https://dxczjjuegupb.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/photo_2022-05-28_05-38-35-300x200.jpg


And this as well it would very few young Ukrainian men want to fill officer positions in the Ukrainian forces.


"From Intel Slava, we have this:

Ukrainian guys do not want to become officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Kyiv completely failed the recruitment campaign for cadets in higher military educational institutions. By the end of May, military universities received a document from only 5% of previously selected candidates."


Again courtesy of the Saker.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 28 2022 13:48 utc | 255

No conformation on this as yet.


https://t.me/asbmil/1702

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 28 2022 13:51 utc | 256

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | May 28 2022 13:32 utc | 253

On legislating morality for slow-moving indivijuls
UK to make Irish an official language in Northern Ireland
subhead: "Sinn Féin lauds bill as long overdue, but unionists warn that Irish-speakers will use new powers 'to make a real pest of themselves'."

Posted by: sln2002 | May 28 2022 13:52 utc | 257

Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 11:38 utc | 239

I was gona reply but Arganthonios above did a great job.

Its a pretty simple concept, Denazification. First you remove all Nazis from government and military. That includes all Baderites. Then you pass laws to ban Nazism and Baderism. Very similar way as its been done in Germany.

Posted by: Comandante | May 28 2022 13:54 utc | 258


https://t.me/s/asbmil
(!! t.me/s/... then you can view the site/channel normally like any public twitter site without registering at Telegram)
09:51
ASB Military News

When you realize that the entire success of Ukrainian forces thus far has been solely based on Ukrop authorities brainwashing the world via Western media about “liberating all Kiev regions” — failing to mention Russia withdrew from them before negotiations and Ukrops just walked into empty villages— the western propaganda becomes even more funny as it falls apart.

Ukraine has not captured/retaken any strategic territory from Russian troops. This comes at a cost of nearly half of USA’s stock of anti tank missiles and billions of dollars worth of financial aid, mercenaries, 24/7 Intel from NATO and support by literally the entire EU and NATO.. reality is starting to kick in.

ALSO:
The amount of captured javelins, nlaws and other NATO weapons is ridiculous at this point. DPR is straight up using them on Ukrainians all day every day. There is probably 100 ish captured every 48h. The photos don’t stop.

Further Readings:

https://t.me/s/Slavyangrad

https://t.me/s/levigodman

https://t.me/s/intelslava

https://t.me/s/azmilitary11

https://t.me/s/Reality_Theories
(Eva K. Bartlett)

Posted by: MD | May 28 2022 13:54 utc | 259

Posted by: K | May 28 2022 5:26 utc | 203

Whose to say.

In a suburb called Highett in Melbourne Au. Right next door to a railway line . On the other side was the old Highett Gas Works. Now a court house. What has been buried under the court house built on the site of the old coal to gas conversion works. The ground layer of the gas works is saturated with "Mercapatan". Is a wide range of various waste toxic substances. Covered by a layer of clay......

On the other side was a CSIRO Chemical research works . During WW2 this chemical plant was a prime site for the manufacture of various toxic chemical weapons. Some of which were tested on soldiers on an island of the coast of Queensland......

For decades the conservative post war LNP ruling government "Robert "Pig Iron Bob" Menzies lived in denial of that terrible deed. This also included all UK 'A-Bomb" tests. To this day the "Monte Bello Islands" is off limits to the general public and fishermen as well...............

Now buried within the clay soil underneath the old CSIRO chemical research plant. Is a wide range of very lethal toxic still active substances. Left overs of the WW2 chemical warfare research.

Fast forward to the 21st century. Many of the former original CSIRO edge of the urban research facilities were sold to urban renewal mini box units and even tinier high rise flats or units . May of these new private urban developments in Melbourne lack adequate parking for the residents.

This particular former CSIRO site in Highett. Was also offered for redevelopment sale. Except the developers declined as the minimum clean up bill . Required the temporary relocation of 1,000's of residents. Clean up costs both sites . Was an estimated billion Oz dollars. To remove the waste. Buried within........... Problem lies Victoria has a very limited supply of clay based toxic waste waste land sites..........

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 28 2022 14:01 utc | 260

Posted by: Arganthonios | May 28 2022 13:40 utc | 254

landssakes! That proposed criminal code bears a striking resemblance to de-radicalization methods practiced in the USA, cradle of "international NORMZ," corrupted by mostly muslim (ui)(uy)ghurs "profiling" practiced in Xinjiang, possibly the EU27 +1.

US "community corrections"
cjrs.gov
ankle monitors "to support the population with a behavioral health disorder"
A DHS Emeritus Center of Excellence
Radicalization and Deradicalization training and research
Combating Terrorism at West Point
"Disengagement or Deradicalization: A Look at Prison Programs for Jailed Terrorists"

Posted by: sln2002 | May 28 2022 14:03 utc | 261

@ 227 republic of Scotland - I hope they didn't get Nestor Makhno's grave at Pere Lachaise. He is a hero of mine. I doubt the Black Army of Ukrainian anarchists from Huliaipole would have supported the Keeeev regime
back when they were fighting.

Posted by: lex talionis | May 28 2022 14:05 utc | 262

@ Bad Deal Motors On 248
The US military budget is tightly controlled. . . By the use of black funding. Thus hiding expenses in plain view
The Pentagon has never passed an audit.
Despite having trillions of dollars in assets and receiving hundreds of billions in federal dollars annually, the department has never detailed its assets and liabilities in a given year. For the past three financial years, the Defense Department's audit has resulted in a "Disclaimer of Opinion," meaning the auditor didn't get enough accounting records to form an assessment. . . here

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 28 2022 14:06 utc | 263

Posted by: Comandante | May 28 2022 13:54 utc | 258

formerly known as "de-Baathification"

Posted by: sln2002 | May 28 2022 14:07 utc | 264

@ Arganthonios | May 28 2022 13:40 utc | 254 Re:

"This kind of filthy false equivalence reeks not only of plain ignorance but also of barely closeted fascism."

You idealist zealots are all the same aren't you, 'if you are not with us you are against us'. Apparently I am a fascist because I'm sceptical about the consequences of a military occupation.

Ukraine was roughly equally divided between pro-western and pro-Russian sentiment before the events of 2014. With the removal of the Donbass and Crimea I think it is safe to say the balance of public opinion has shifted westwards in what is left of Ukraine. You seriously believe that pro-RF candidates will win elections there? So how long do you think the occupation will last?

What are you going to do about demonstrators and agitators? What are you going to do about saboteurs and people that would aid and abet them? You seem to be advocating political commissars in schools. I would probably agree with you on a case by case basis with what constitutes Nazi crap and what is truthful history but I wouldn't expect western Ukrainians to do so.

How many people are you prepared to lock up?

Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 14:11 utc | 265

@ 262 Don Bacon - I am reminded of Donald Rumsfeld mentioing that The Pentagram couldn't account for several billion dollars on Setember 10 2001. Then some guys with boxcutter crased a plane into the accounting department at the Pentagram the next day. Well, that solved that little problem.

Posted by: lex talionis | May 28 2022 14:15 utc | 266

"Ukraine was roughly equally divided between pro-western and pro-Russian sentiment before the events of 2014."
Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 14:11 utc | 264

No, it was not, according to UA census demographic records. And, yes, I'm not going either to repost references to that effect or do your research for you again.

Posted by: sln2002 | May 28 2022 14:15 utc | 267

Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 14:11 utc | 264

I could read your comment as sheer stupidity, but I suspect you have no idea what you are talking about and know nothing of history of the region nor of the situation on the ground. Go buy the book "Bloodlands" and do some reading. Timothy Snyder devoted his time to writing up facts to help counter your prejudices - confront them

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 28 2022 14:31 utc | 269

Sainbury's in the UK renaming Chicken Kiev to Chicken Kyiv,

Qatar the funders of ISIS own 15% Sainsbury

Chicken Kiev was developed in Russia in 19th Century

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | May 28 2022 14:35 utc | 270

@ sln2002 | May 28 2022 14:15 utc | 266

Prior to 2014, the government of Ukraine oscillated between pro-western and pro-RF parties, a tug of war between east and west, true or false?

Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 14:36 utc | 271

MarkU@264
".. You seriously believe that pro-RF candidates will win elections there? So how long do you think the occupation will last?"

After ten years of experience of their Nazi fied government, with living standards plunging, all opposition banned, the Labour Laws rescinded and a government of openly corrupt people. Yes I do think that it is unlikely that the anti-Russia mob would get re-elected.

"What are you going to do about demonstrators and agitators? What are you going to do about saboteurs and people that would aid and abet them? You seem to be advocating political commissars in schools."

We have had, in effect Nazi political commissars in schools. A re-written nazified school curriculum. An entire mythology-Holodomor sand all- imported in its entirety from Canada. And enormously subsidised by NATO governments. The nazism in Ukraine is an entirely artificial product, imported and developed, a left over from the Cold War. It has no basis in the historical experience of the people living in Ukraine. Without life support provided from abroad it will wither away and die.
The only people to be locked up will be those convicted of violent crimes of the sort the Azov and the Security Police have committed- the artists behind the false flag killings in Bucha, for example.
Apart from that the Nazi cadres which have infiltrated the government service will have to be fired.

The government of the Ukraine is unpopular in Ukraine. The only people who buy the Zelensky performances are the clowns in Congress, Parliament etc who are his real employers. To most Ukrainians he is vert bad news. A politician who has broken every promise he ever made: A Servant to the Foreign Bankers.

Posted by: bevin | May 28 2022 14:42 utc | 272

@ Paul Greenwood | May 28 2022 14:31 utc | 268

You merely insult me, you make no reference to any particular point that I made and then assert that you know much more about the region than I because you have read some book or other. Fuck you !! Come back with a specific statement that reveals 'prejudice' or STFU.

Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 14:42 utc | 273

"Qatar the funders of ISIS own 15% Sainsbury"

Paul Greenwood (269).

Funded by more than just Qatar Paul, the US, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Turkey all have funded ISIS, and we know this because former FBI translator and whistleblower Sibel Edmonds told us so. It was also revealed that Operation Gladio/B was carried out by ISIS or one of its other names. There are multiple photos of Senator and POTUS candidate John McCain with ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in discussion as well.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | May 28 2022 14:51 utc | 274

Mark and bevin and others

What a silly thing to argue about. It is pretty obvious that some parts of the former Ukraine feel more Russian and others less so and some positively hostile. Russia should take control of those parts that are pro Russian and build them up as quickly as possible.
Other strategies may be needed for the other parts. Obviously if the east/South are prosperous and stable, the attitude of most of the rest will soften and it will be relatively easy to influence them- either to becoming neutral or perhaps rejoining the Russian federation at some later date. However there are parts of the Ukraine that were never part of the old Tsarist empire and more or less grabbed as spoils of war by the USSR. These areas are not pro Russian and probably never will be. No use taking them on= they will be perpetual trouble.

Posted by: watcher | May 28 2022 14:53 utc | 275

I am reminded of Donald Rumsfeld mentioing that The Pentagram couldn't account for several billion dollars on Setember 10 2001.

Posted by: lex talionis | May 28 2022 14:15 utc | 265

Little bit more than several billion:

More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.

"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.

$2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.

"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.

Minnery, a former Marine turned whistle-blower, is risking his job by speaking out for the first time about the millions he noticed were missing from one defense agency's balance sheets. Minnery tried to follow the money trail, even crisscrossing the country looking for records.

"The director looked at me and said 'Why do you care about this stuff?' It took me aback, you know? My supervisor asking me why I care about doing a good job," said Minnery.

He was reassigned and says officials then covered up the problem by just writing it off.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-war-on-waste/”> The War On Waste

Posted by: Down South | May 28 2022 14:53 utc | 276

Its a pretty simple concept, Denazification. First you remove all Nazis from government and military. That includes all Baderites. Then you pass laws to ban Nazism and Baderism. Very similar way as its been done in Germany.

Posted by: Comandante | May 28 2022 13:54 utc | 258


Except that "we" did a piss-poor job of it in Germany. Hell, "we" left virtually the entire corpus of Nazi law, as well as virtually all of its judges, in place -- and we all know about the various high-ranking Nazis who found themselves welcome in the likes of the Adenauer regime, NATO, and the EU.

Posted by: malenkov | May 28 2022 15:01 utc | 277

A crypto Nazi like Nemesis is still allowed to post here* while an astute commentator (vk) gets banned. smh

Posted by: v | May 28 2022 12:42 utc | 245


*can we add a certain psychotic harridan to the list?

Posted by: malenkov | May 28 2022 15:02 utc | 278

a piccy of the TOS-1A in action
@ Republicofscotland | May 28 2022 13:48 utc | 255

Wow -- what a piccy...

Martyanov has observed from experience that being on the receiving end of 55mm artillery is "very unpleasant". By that standard, such a "heavy flamethrower system" makes quite an impression. Ukraine offers itself and its poor soldiers as target practice for the field-perfection of quite a few extremely unpleasant new weapons, such as TOS-2.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 28 2022 15:02 utc | 279

"Timothy Snyder devoted his time to writing up facts to help counter your prejudices - confront them.
Paul Greenwood@268

The WSWS has an article about Snyder which you ought to read. Snyder is no longer a serious historian. He might have been in the past but not on this matter.
"The ubiquitous Timothy Snyder popped up in Davos to opine that the loss of historical consciousness has eroded the foundations of democracy. But as the leading pro-war NATO propagandist, Snyder has contributed to the falsification of the historical record..."
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/27/ldmb-m27.html
You might want to apologise to MarkU.

watcher@274
There is not much in your post that I, or any reasonable person would disagree with. Indeed most of it has already been said in this thread.

Posted by: bevin | May 28 2022 15:09 utc | 280

the government of Ukraine oscillated between pro-western and pro-RF parties, a tug of war between east and west, true or false?
Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 14:36 utc | 270

National or local government? LOL!
And how in hell do ballots correlate to overweening demographic UA census data, numbering populations by, quoting UA, "nationality" d/b/a ethnicity, possibly race or "heritage language" as US American Gen Z ppl like to say?

Posted by: sln2002 | May 28 2022 15:09 utc | 281

*can we add a certain psychotic harridan to the list?
Posted by: malenkov | May 28 2022 15:02 utc | 277

My excessively humble opinion is that b has enough to do without having to maintain a whom-to-ban-next suggestion-box, but now I'm just whinging about the whinging, so I should quit while I'm behind.

"Harridan" sounds like a great name for a heavy-metal band.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 28 2022 15:12 utc | 282

"Harridan" sounds like a great name for a heavy-metal band.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | May 28 2022 15:12 utc | 281


All the more so because Bitch has already been taken.

Posted by: malenkov | May 28 2022 15:15 utc | 283

@281 aleph null - https://www.metal-archives.com/bands/Harridan/80987

Posted by: lex talionis | May 28 2022 15:16 utc | 284

Latest MOD briefing on Bioweapons labs in Ukraine. Some terrifying revelations about Washington testing (?) Smallpox in Ukraine

https://thesaker.is/russian-mod-briefing-on-the-results-of-the-analysis-of-documents-related-to-the-military-biological-activities-of-the-united-states-on-the-territory-of-ukraine/?inmoderation

Posted by: Exile | May 28 2022 15:23 utc | 285

Posted by: DunGroanin | May 28 2022 9:20 utc | 223

"What of the future of the artificial ‘nation’ USA?
It won’t remain as a single nation. It can’t. Because of the idiotic nature of its electoral college which diminishes the vote of its populace states and provides its less populace states with a handicap advantage! These peoples acknowledge they are strangers to each other and the minority intends to retain control over the majority. The majority will have a say in that.

The USA is dead man walking ... it’s owners know and don’t care because they are supranational, always have been.
"

So I take it you think a country whose leaders get voted in mainly by urban voters in NYC, LA, SF, Chicago, Atlanta etc will restore a viable honest republic and get rid of the bankster-Intel autarchy masquerading as a Representative Republic?

Not likely Imo....

Posted by: Scorpion | May 28 2022 15:28 utc | 286

@ bevin | May 28 2022 14:42 utc | 271

Thank you for a polite, reasonable and intelligent response. I don't really disagree with anything much you said. My position on the matter is still that a military conquest and occupation of Western Ukraine will likely do more harm than good and that de-Nazification is something that cannot be achieved with show-trials, witch-hunts and political commissars. The Ukrainians will do the job for themselves in due course, once the dust has settled.

The die is cast, Ukraine will never be the same, the RF cannot and should not stop until they have achieved their objectives. I think the RF has its work cut out just taking the land east of the Dniepr and the southern coast, I see no reason to go further than the places they are mostly welcome. Sooner or later the thing will peter out, the west will go broke and at that point, what is left of Ukraine will realise just how badly fucked they have been by the west (the US in particular) and the Nazis they facilitated and finally elect a neutral government of their own free will.

Funny thing is that in my 'real' life I am regarded as a rabidly pro-RF nutter who buys into all that 'NATO expansion' and 'Nazis in Ukraine' conspiracy stuff. How ironic is it that it is on this website that I have had the most gratuitous abuse for stating my views?

Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 15:32 utc | 287

A law passed in US Congress says we shall punish African governments for any malignant Russian ties and influence. Africa is disallowed any neutral status.

This law basically denies 54 nations their sovereignty. So what about Ukraine ? Aren't they allowed sovereignty?

It seems that The US is interested both in Ukraine, in Taiwan and in the 54 nations of Africa. It can not help but open new fronts, new theatres and more confrontation.

US CONGRESS Law HR 7311 April 28 2022. This law passed through the US Congress.

2/3 required to pass.
Voted 415 -9 . It Passed.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/hr7311

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7311/all-info

Posted by: Noah 0111 | May 28 2022 15:37 utc | 288

Posted by: Noah 0111 | May 28 2022 15:37 utc | 287

The situation here is pretty psychotic.

Posted by: sln2002 | May 28 2022 15:39 utc | 289


"
Does Dame Merkel has the political wisdom or courage??"

At this point she has political wisdom.
At this point, any one sane in Europe wouldn't dare piss off the demented or surely sociopathic Joe Biden and his cronies in Europe.

Posted by: Noah 0111 | May 28 2022 15:45 utc | 290

Just been reading this article by William T Hathaway, a Xenophobe who is peddling hate in Germany about refugees. He is a self proclaimed peace activist. What a misnomer. Not only are the views in the article racist, the article is not fact checked, is completely misleading and xenophobic. https://dissidentvoice.org/2022/05/report-from-germany-refugees-welcome-sometimes/

Posted by: Artist | May 28 2022 15:56 utc | 291

blockade?

FM Dmytro Kuleba -- Sanctions on Russia have no connection to the unfolding global food crisis. The sole reason for shortages, rising prices, and threat of hunger is the Russian military physically blocking 22 million tons of Ukrainian food exports in our seaports. Demand Moscow to end its blockade.
Guardian -- UK backs Lithuania’s plan to lift Russian blockade of Ukraine grain . . .Britain supports in principle the call for a naval coalition ‘of the willing’ to restart exports through Black Sea
RT -- Moscow has warned against putting together an international naval coalition to make sure ships with grain leave Ukrainian ports amid a claimed Russian blockade in the Black Sea. Ships with grain have been unable to depart from Ukraine amid the conflict between Moscow and Kiev. The Ukrainian authorities and the West have been blaming Russia for blocking their passage, while Moscow has insisted that the logistical problems have been created by naval mines placed by Ukraine.
RT -- Putin confirmed that Russia was open to a negotiated peace deal and was ready to export fertilizer and other agricultural products, but that this would require the lifting of some Western-imposed sanctions. He also said that Russia would ensure that the export of grain could take place from Ukrainian ports on the Black Sea. Until recently, such exports had been impossible due to Ukraine’s mining of the sea, according to Moscow. However, the Russian Navy has opened two corridors for civilian vessels, one in the Black Sea and another through the Azov Sea.
RFE -- In a telephone call on May 28, Russian President Vladimir Putin told French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Olaf Scholz that "Russia is ready to help find options for the unhindered export of grain, including the export of Ukrainian grain from the Black Sea ports," according to a Kremlin account of the conversation. But he tied relaxing Russia's blockade of Ukraine's ports to the West removing biting sanctions it slapped on Moscow after its invasion.
RepublicWorld -- Russia is willing to provide a humanitarian corridor for ships carrying food to leave Ukraine in exchange for the lifting of some sanctions, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Andrei Rudenko said on May 25, the Interfax news agency reported.
KievPost -- Ukraine is receiving ground-based launchers and a corresponding number of Harpoon anti-ship missiles. The latest weapons are being provided by Denmark, the United Kingdom and the Netherlands. Other countries will join this process. According to the ministry, these missiles will defend Ukraine from the hostile Russian naval component in the Black Sea.

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 28 2022 15:57 utc | 292

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 28 2022 14:06 utc | 262

During the cold war 1.0

Lockheed operated a top secret dept called "Skunk WorkS". Two of the public known spy aircraft built by the 'skunkworks' was the "U2" and the very fast max speed Mach 3.2 "SR71A".

The U2, a spy plane with a long list of defective design faults. Was basically like shooting fish in barrel for the Russian Aerospace forces for that era. In Fact the incredibly stupid RAF bought seven of them. Alas they were all shot down.

Lockheed had a contract to supply the US Navy with an advanced multi task long range/endurance patrol plane. One auditor found that Lockheed was charging the navy for very large number of plastic toilet seats. Invoice cost was USD$100,0000-00 per seat.

Was Lockheed ever charged and/or asked for a refund. The answer was not one penny was refunded.....

Hint this was development research cost of the 'SR71A(A11)'. US military budget over sight committee allow for very special red flag war toy invoices from the US war toy industry.

As for military auditors. To put it politely. They are not given security clearances to audit top secret projects.

Truth is stranger than fiction........

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | May 28 2022 16:04 utc | 293

@ my 291, add:
US DOD -- The effects of the war are being felt worldwide and there is the looming specter of starvation due to Russia's blockade in Ukrainian Black Sea ports. Ukraine is the world's second-largest grain supplier. "One of the things that Ukrainians have said they want help with is coastal defense," Kirby said. "And so coastal defense assets, including from the United States, are being sent to Ukraine to help them. The world community is mindful of the weaponization of food that Mr. Putin is now doing."

Posted by: Don Bacon | May 28 2022 16:11 utc | 294

Posted by: watcher | May 28 2022 14:53 utc | 274

However there are parts of the Ukraine that were never part of the old Tsarist empire and more or less grabbed as spoils of war by the USSR. These areas are not pro Russian and probably never will be. No use taking them on= they will be perpetual trouble.

Having a NATO missile site there would be a trouble too.
So which trouble is more serious?
Judging from the fact that Russia started all this thing basically over a single number (a missile time-of-flight to Moscow) I would guess that Russia would rather put up with a nuisance of hostile locals over a serous security threat from a hostile military alliance.

Posted by: hopehely | May 28 2022 16:46 utc | 295

Shock waves from TOS-1A's 222mm thermobaric rockets visible on cool, damp morning somewhere in the Donbas. Sorry - I could only locate video with unnecessary heavy metal audio 'enhancement'.

Posted by: PavewayIV | May 28 2022 16:47 utc | 296

MarkU @ 286

Life online is not real life. Yes, bevin is a gentleman. Preserving that mien in social media is a feat.

Don't worry about it. Funniest part of current responses to you is the referral to Timothy Snyder, who writes historical fiction and is a thorough fascist.

This does not mean I agree with you or even like you. Though I suspect we would get along fine in real life.

Posted by: oldhippie | May 28 2022 16:50 utc | 297

Paul Greenwood @38 you have that wrong.
Obama was elected in 2004 after the good-looking and intelligent Republican lawyer running against him was abruptly removed after his court-ordered sealed divorce records (divorced from the TV star who played 7 of 9 on Star Trek Voyager) opened. How did that happen? How did the media manage to overcome a court order? And the "scandal" was the Lamest Scandal Ever. But somehow we were told it was so outrageous that Mr. Ryan had to step down from the election.
And then the Republicans replaced him with a batshit crazy black man from Maryland, who obviously lost to Obama. Why?
In any case, Obama won handily. But then the media told us that he gave such a great speech at some convention that he was admired by millions and was elected president in 2008.
That is what left the vacancy. And then they impeached Governor Rod Blagojevich for showing enthusiasm about the "f...ing golden" opportunity for bribery the ability to fill Obama's seat gave him. It took two trials, but they put him into prison. Why? Who knows? Maybe it was pointing a finger at Bank of America during the worker takeover of Republic Windows.
Anyway, at the time that the Republicans replaced Jim Ryan with Alan Keyes I was baffled. WTF?
But now I realize that Obama's way into the presidency was being greased.

Posted by: wagelaborer | May 28 2022 16:56 utc | 298

You didn't answer my question though. Assuming for arguments sake that the RF has conquered all of Ukraine and also assuming that the higher ranking Nazis and those who had committed obvious crimes against humanity were now in custody, what now? If we put you in charge of policy, what steps are you going to take? (specifics please, not platitudes)

Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 12:31 utc | 243

New constitution and new legal system banning glorification of nazism and engaging in activities that support hate. In other words, equality of religions, languages and cultural traditions. Just a few ideas.

Posted by: Pagan | May 28 2022 17:06 utc | 299

@ oldhippie | May 28 2022 16:50 utc | 297

Thanks!

Don't worry I'm used to it, I've always been a heretic, I call them as I see them and as a consequence I regularly get shot by both sides.

Posted by: MarkU | May 28 2022 17:07 utc | 300

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