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April 13, 2022

U.S. Military Intelligence Official Refutes 'Russian Atrocities' Claims

Russian soldiers left the town Bucha in Ukraine on March 30. Two days later the Ukrainian Gestapo like SBU and men of the fascist Azov battalion moved in to find and remove 'traitors'. On April 2/3 video was published that showed freshly killed men laying on the streets of Bucha. Several of them had white arm bands signaling to Russian forces to see them as friendlies.

The 'west' and Ukrainian officials immediately called those dead the result of 'Russian atrocities'.

I had called it a provocation:

The Bucha 'Russian' atrocities propaganda onslaught may have worked well in the 'west' but it lacks evidence that Russia had anything to do with it.

The former Indian ambassador M.K. Bhadrakumar calls it an outright fake: ...

And a fake it was.

Thankfully there are still some sane U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency officials and William Arkin is talking with them:

Last Wednesday, Bucha Mayor Anatolii Fedoruk said that 320 people had been killed in the town of 37,000.
...
"It is ugly," a senior official with the Defense Intelligence Agency tells Newsweek. "But we forget that two peer competitors fought over Bucha for 36 days, and that the town was occupied, that Russian convoys and positions inside the town were attacked by the Ukrainians and vice versa, that ground combat was intense, that the town itself was literally fought over."
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"I am not for a second excusing Russia's war crimes, nor forgetting that Russia invaded the country," says the DIA official. "But the number of actual deaths is hardly genocide. If Russia had that objective or was intentionally killing civilians, we'd see a lot more than less than .01 percent in places like Bucha."

320 of 37,000 is not .01 percent. But we do not know how many of those dead were Russian or Ukrainian soldiers. Some of the dead were so called 'civilian defenders' which were supposedly local civilians to whom the government had handed guns to 'fight the Russians'. During a war a 'civilian' with a government issued gun shooting at enemy soldiers is a combatant, not a civilian.

The DIA official continues:

"Have the Russians been indiscriminate? Absolutely. But it shouldn't too surprising. It's part and parcel of the Russian way of war, lining up their artillery guns and letting loose," the DIA official says. "But here in particular, in Bucha and the other towns around it—Irpin and Hostomel—there was intense ground fighting that involved almost 20 battalion tactical groups."

I doubt that there is really intentional 'indiscriminate' Russian artillery fire. The Russians have held back quite a lot and paid in blood for it.

One should also note that the often shown mass graves in Bucha were not from recent actions but had been dug on March 10 after heavy fighting when Russian soldiers tried to enter the town:

Maxar Technologies, which collects and publishes satellite imagery of Ukraine, said the first signs of excavation for a mass grave at the Church of St. Andrew and Pyervozvannoho All Saints were seen on March 10.

"More recent coverage on March 31st shows the grave site with an approximately 45-foot-long trench in the southwestern section of the area near the church," Maxar said.

The DIA official clearly says the civilian casualties in Ukraine, which are quite low, get overplayed and that attributing them solely to Russia is wrong:

On Monday, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights said it had recorded 1,793 deaths and 2,439 injuries to civilians in all of Ukraine since the war began on February 24. U.S. intelligence believes that the true number is some five times greater, as previously reported by Newsweek.

"It's bad," the DIA official says. "And I don't want to say it's not too bad. But I can't help but stress that beyond the clamor, we are not seeing the war clearly. Where there has been intense ground fighting and a standoff between Ukrainian and Russian forces, the destruction is almost total. But in terms of actual damage in Kyiv or other cities outside the battle zone, and with regard to the number of civilian casualties overall, the evidence contradicts the dominant narrative."
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The official says that it is dangerous to attribute one or even several graves and scenes of civilian disaster to Russian barbarism rather than just being realistic about the depredations of war.

The official also worries that attributing the destructiveness only to Russian conduct, rather than to war itself, creates future dangers.

"If we blame all the damage on Putin, as if he commanded it and that it is due solely to Russian war crimes, we are going to walk away from Ukraine with some illusion in our heads that modern warfare can be fought more cleanly, that the Ukraine war is an anomaly solely created by Russia's behavior. This war is just demonstrating how destructive any war on this scale would be."

One should avoid to wage war whenever possible but it also important to end wars as quickly as possible:

"Maybe it's heartless to urge that we look at Ukraine with precision, without human emotion," says the DIA official.

"But for those who think tens of thousands have died and Russia is intentionally killing civilians and pursuing genocide, I say that's even more of an argument to find a diplomatic solution to cease fighting. But nothing is going to happen in the coming days or weeks to change the reality on the battlefield. That's why stopping the fighting should be our highest priority."

Unfortunately ending the war is not a priority for the U.S. nor the EU. Their leaders are drunk on the idea that the Ukraine defeated Russia around Kiev. They seem to believe that the Ukraine can defeat Russia everywhere.

But the retreat from Kiev was ordered because the deceptive move towards it had fulfilled its purpose of keeping a large number of Ukrainian soldiers in place around Kiev while the Russian army opened the land corridor to Crimea.

The Ukraine has no chance to defeat the Russian army no matter how many old tanks or airplanes the U.S. and EU countries move to it.

Sending more weapons only prolongs the war and inevitably creates more military and civilian casualties on both sides.

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@Jared I apologize for my comment on the last thread. I am just upset that the mainstream media cancels alternate opinions such as not thinking Russians are all evil, and considering the Russian viewpoint, but they come to this blog with their ad hominem arguments and it gets to me. When others are intolerant it is easy to get intolerant back at them. I shouldn't be like them.

Posted by: Quiet Rebel | Apr 13 2022 19:37 utc | 101

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 19:20 utc | 93

There's bugger all on Pepe's channel but one msg:

PAIN DIAL UP

"We have seen attempts at sabotage and attacks by the Ukrainian military against facilities in Russian territory. If such attempts continue, the Russian Federation’s Armed Forces will strike at the decision-making centers, including Kiev – something we have so far refrained from."

Major-General Konashenkov

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 19:37 utc | 102

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 19:31 utc | 99

You can't leave anything, only read, like Intel Slava Z

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 19:38 utc | 103

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 19:37 utc | 101

Could be telegram's interface and the fact that you prolly just joined Pepe's channel. Try to scroll up, the image is from 19.55 BST so adjust for your time zone.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 19:47 utc | 104

https://t.me/readovkanews/30858

Another 1350 marine corps laid arms today according to DPR.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 19:49 utc | 105

Who is this Viktor Medvedchuk (V.M.) anyways?

Best as I can tell he is one of the sparring oligarchs of Ukraine.
V.M. does not even make the top $$$ ten list of oligarchs.

We all know much more about Igor, though.

Before the Azov Battalion was "rehabilitated" as a useful tool for the West
Newsweek said (2014) Igor Kolomoisky funded Azov:

https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604

Haaretz asked, 2014, "Is This Man the Most Powerful Jew in the World?"

https://www.haaretz.com/.premium-the-most-powerful-jew-in-the-world-1.5315512


This April, a few weeks after his emergency appointment as governor of Dnipropetrovsk province, Kolomoisky was photographed proudly wearing a particularly scandalous T-shirt. It combined the Jewish emblem of the menorah along with the Ukrainian ultranationalist symbol of a trident, and all in red and black. Beneath it said “Zhidobandera” – an amalgamation of a Russian-Ukrainian word for Jews, normally regarded as derogatory, and the name of Stepan Bandera, the most controversial figure in Ukraine’s history. Bandera was the leader of the Ukrainian national movement, resisting Soviet rule, before and during World War II. At least some of his followers carried out pogroms and mass murders of Jews. He himself was murdered by the KGB in 1959 and has always been seen by the Soviets – and, to this day, Russia – as a fascist they claim collaborated with Nazi Germany. “Banderovtzi” is a slur still used by the Kremlin’s propaganda machine against Ukrainians who resist Russian influence, and, for obvious reasons, his memory is a highly uncomfortable one for most Jews.

Kolomoisky serves as the president of one of the main Jewish organizations in Ukraine and holds joint Israeli citizenship. Yet he also seems to enjoy embarrassing members of the Ukrainian-Jewish community, putting out the message that he has no limits in politics and would have no qualms making alliances even with those who many Jews believe are still, at the very least, tainted with anti-Semitism. His chief goal, however, seems to be provoking the man who has become his mortal enemy – Russian President Vladimir Putin.


Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 19:51 utc | 106

Hmm...can't seem to post
a post with a link to Haaretz.
Is that a problem?

Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 19:53 utc | 107

Who is this Viktor Medvedchuk (V.M.) anyways?

Best as I can tell he is one of the sparring oligarchs of Ukraine.
V.M. does not even make the top ten list of oligarchs.

We all know much more about Igor, though.

Before the Azov Battalion was "rehabilitated" as a useful tool for the West
Newsweek said (2014) Igor Kolomoisky funded Azov:

https://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604

Haaretz asked, 2014, "Is This Man the Most Powerful Jew in the World?"

(fix link yourself)
https://www.haahaahaa.com/.premium-the-most-powerful-jew-in-the-world-1.5315512


This April, a few weeks after his emergency appointment as governor of Dnipropetrovsk province, Kolomoisky was photographed proudly wearing a particularly scandalous T-shirt. It combined the Jewish emblem of the menorah along with the Ukrainian ultranationalist symbol of a trident, and all in red and black. Beneath it said “Zhidobandera” – an amalgamation of a Russian-Ukrainian word for Jews, normally regarded as derogatory, and the name of Stepan Bandera, the most controversial figure in Ukraine’s history. Bandera was the leader of the Ukrainian national movement, resisting Soviet rule, before and during World War II. At least some of his followers carried out pogroms and mass murders of Jews. He himself was murdered by the KGB in 1959 and has always been seen by the Soviets – and, to this day, Russia – as a fascist they claim collaborated with Nazi Germany. “Banderovtzi” is a slur still used by the Kremlin’s propaganda machine against Ukrainians who resist Russian influence, and, for obvious reasons, his memory is a highly uncomfortable one for most Jews.

Kolomoisky serves as the president of one of the main Jewish organizations in Ukraine and holds joint Israeli citizenship. Yet he also seems to enjoy embarrassing members of the Ukrainian-Jewish community, putting out the message that he has no limits in politics and would have no qualms making alliances even with those who many Jews believe are still, at the very least, tainted with anti-Semitism. His chief goal, however, seems to be provoking the man who has become his mortal enemy – Russian President Vladimir Putin.


Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 19:54 utc | 108

If the war drags on, as it seems the US/NATO desires, war fatigue will set in .There is no way consumers of MSM can continue to react to the atrocities they see on their screens every day, without becoming inured to it.I wish there was some mechanism to prosecute for the damage done to a population by being exposed to outright propaganda and lies for an extended period.
The warmongers will find, particularly as Russian forces take more and more ground, that the mood for war recedes, and the public will not back further millions pledged to Ukraine, or weapons transfers

Posted by: francescange | Apr 13 2022 19:55 utc | 109

Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 19:53 utc | 105

Some URLs could be shadow banned or just not pass some sort of validation is my guess.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 19:56 utc | 110

@Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 19:56 utc | 108

www.haaretz.com

Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 20:00 utc | 111

@@Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 19:56 utc | 108

Now lets see what happens with https

https://www.haaretz.com

Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 20:01 utc | 112

Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 20:00 utc | 109

Could be the dot in the middle of the link to the haaretz article.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 20:03 utc | 113

Read comments on this article:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/11/2091271/-Ukraine-update-Russia-will-break-new-records-of-stupidity-if-it-really-thinks-it-can-move-on-Dnipro

Most Americans don’t even know there is a war on. Those who do are pretty much all as dumb as the commenters in link. Good propaganda or fancy propaganda or coherent propaganda is not required. They hate Russia and always have. So did their parents.

Markos Moulitsas who wrote the article, or had it written, is an aristocrat from El Salvador. His family was deeply involved in the assassination of Archbishop Romero. He is what passes for Left in US.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 13 2022 20:06 utc | 114

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 20:03 utc | 111

Could be the dot in the middle of the link to the haaretz article.

Had the same thought and searched for articles without the .premium. No luck.

How about this:
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news

Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 20:07 utc | 115

The Ukrainians are mining a dam:

https://avia-pro.net/news/vsu-miniruyut-plotinu-uglegorskoy-tes-gotovyas-ustroit-katastrofu

Posted by: Nico | Apr 13 2022 20:07 utc | 116

The Ukraine has no chance to defeat the Russian army no matter how many old tanks or airplanes the U.S. and EU countries move to it.

Sending more weapons only prolongs the war and inevitably creates more military and civilian casualties on both sides. b

B, it's not about winning the war, just like Afghanistan wasn't about defeating the Taliban (a CIA asset to start with), it's all about trying to bleed Russia dry. Sending all that obsolete crap from a selection of EU countries, just keeps the obscenity going, after all, it's not US, UK or EU troops dying, in fact, dumping all that rusty old hardware on the suckers in Kyiv, just opens up new markets for all the latest crap from the various imperialist MICs. Right now while Uke canon fodder is being fed into the Russian mincing machine, the real war is a propaganda one, and right now, the Russians are losing that one but it's not directed at Russia, it’s the populations of the Imperialist block as they’re the only ones who could stop it.

Will it work? Given that the Ukraine obscenity is an organic extension of the C-19 scam (sorry b that you fell for it, tugging at your heart strings) but it served its purpose, namely putting in place all the laws necessary to suppress any and all opposition to the combined crisis of Capital and the coming Climate disaster.

Only Russia and China stand in the way. The Empire of Lies needs those markets! It’s tried for 100 years to capture them and its desperate! I venture this is the final act of Imperialism, it’s a do or die moment.

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 20:10 utc | 117

@92

It doesn't matter whether or not Nato countries are full of missiles aimed at Russia because Nato can't start a war with Russia because of nukes.

Nato was not at all the main reason why Russia invaded Ukraine. Russia would not have invaded Ukraine just because of Nato.
After all, Nato can have all the weapons they want, but they can't use them against Russia.

Posted by: Nico | Apr 13 2022 20:11 utc | 118

Mike Whitney's new article at Unz has a very interesting header picture.

If you still haven't surmised yet, what we are seeing in the borderlands of Russia is a war of Christianity against the infiltrated West.

Many people don't want to acknowledge that Christianity, as it is 2000 years old, carries with it the correct identification of reality in what works for nations, i.e. what is natural, sustainable, and ensures autonomy and sovereignty. St. Thomas Aquinas wrote 800 years ago, but he sounds as if he could be living today when he speaks of foreigners coming to distant lands to live.

"...when any foreigners wished to be admitted entirely to their fellowship and mode of worship. With regard to these a certain order was observed. For they were not at once admitted to citizenship: just as it was law with some nations that no one was deemed a citizen except after two or three generations, as the Philosopher says (Polit. iii, 1).”

and

“The reason for this was that if foreigners were allowed to meddle with the affairs of a nation as soon as they settled down in its midst, many dangers might occur, since the foreigners not yet having the common good firmly at heart might attempt something hurtful to the people.”

Does Christian Russia in your mind reflect an image of the aggressor who is trying to subdue all to its will?

Or, is Christian Russia seeking to liberate its fellows from the trap installed by these same foreign infiltrators who, in haste, seek to conquer and consolidate all to its will, thus revealing to the world who they are.

"By their fruits, you shall know them."

...

St. Petersburg will truly be the emanating light of the west in due time. It will not be Rome. Rome will be sacked as will most of the infiltrated west's headquarters.

Rejoice, brethren, and do not believe the lies about Christianity. Like the parable of the Prodigal Son, for each of you there is a fattened calf waiting to celebrate your return.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 13 2022 20:15 utc | 119

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 19:47 utc | 103

Boo, there is no scrolling up available. Time zone? What's that got to do with it? All messages stay, unless deleted or are cleared.

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 20:15 utc | 120

@@@@@Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 19:56 utc | 108

Found an old one.

https://www.haaretz.com/1.4809727

Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 20:25 utc | 121

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 20:15 utc | 118

That's interesting, I can clearly see Pepe's posting history including the picture with a time stamp of 19.55 BST and this is my time zone (every post will be time-stamped in your own time zone and you need to adjust for that). It might be an issue with Telegram, can't comment further on this.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 20:29 utc | 122

As I mentioned in a post at Antiwar.com, the fact that a DIA officer is willing to publicly undercut Biden's line shows once again that the Pentagon is fighting to prevent this war from expanding. It begins to look like only the Pentagon is trying to prevent WWIII. Which in itself should be frightening.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 20:30 utc | 123

Testing...

https://www.haaretz.com/premium-the-most-powerful-jew-in-the-world-1.5315512

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 20:31 utc | 124

wicked, it's the dot after all - the validator is koofing

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 20:32 utc | 125

Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 13 2022 19:20 utc | 91 "War crimes have in fact been committed, by both sides, with the obvious principal war crime (on paper anyway) of Russia invading in the first place."

Two things have to be overlooked for that to be possible. 1) a refusal to recognize the persecution of the ethnic Russians of Ukraine - The effort to wipe out their culture which according to UN is included in genocide. 2) Refusal to recognise the independence of the two republics which they are according to UN charter.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 13 2022 20:32 utc | 126

For those condemning the DIA official for ascribing war crimes to Russia, remember, he's deliberately undercutting the President of the United States. If he simply came across as "pro-Russian" by denying Russian war crimes - and for all we know he actually believes this - his comments probably wouldn't even have seen print anywhere including Arkin's.

As I said above, the important takeaway is the fact that he's undercutting Biden deliberately. If the administration finds out who he is, his career is toast. But it shows how much at least some people in the Pentagon are fighting to stop WWIII.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 20:33 utc | 127

Russia seems to have captured Ukrainian drones which can disperse fluids.

See: https://t.me/intelslava/25072

I hope this ends the planned false flag story which was circulating the last days. Or the west uses this video as evidence and say: "See!!! The russians have the technology to disperse chemical weapons!!! They must have done it!!!"

This shit get's worse day by day.

Posted by: clayt1n | Apr 13 2022 20:37 utc | 128

Posted by: Nico | Apr 13 2022 20:11 utc | 116

This is all about Russia’s historical memory as far as Russia is concerned. This is about the Great Patriotic War and the 27 million Soviet citizens who perished. People in the West have absolutely no conception of this experience! Only China perhaps that lost 35 million people plus of course the Century of Humiliation, can compare.

So all the pundits here with their theories of this and that, don't know what the fuck they're talking about because that experience, of every single family losing at least one member (including my Soviet family and in the Ukraine and Lithuania) during that conflagration, is what drove, not just Putin, Putin just embodies that memory, but almost the entire Russian people. I just don’t think people in the West understand.

I’ve been exchanging messages with Russians on Telegram and it’s my first interaction with a number of Russian citizens and I doubt anyone here realizes the depth of feeling involved. It’s visceral!

One of the first thing Russian soldiers do when they land from the Fascists, is to restore the vandalised war memorials. It also explains the centrality of the Russian Orthodox Church in this. Stalin realized it too. It goes to the very core of the Russian identity, the soul of Russia. I feel it as well and I’m not religious, I’m a Communist damn it!

That’s why the Red Flag flies on those tanks, it’s why Russians stand by the side of the road and wave the Hammer & Sickle, not because they’re Communists but because they’re Russians.

I know WWII is just history to most people here, but please folks, show a little humility, a little understanding for what the resurgence of Fascism in Ukraine (it never went away of course) means to Russia.

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 20:39 utc | 129

Analyses by a former colonel of the Swiss armed services who has served in UN bodies and NATO, published by a Marxist site: https://www.marxist.com/nato-lies-exposed-former-agent-speaks-out.htm

Posted by: Shakesvshav | Apr 13 2022 20:42 utc | 130

@Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 20:31 utc | 122

Good one!

Why does it get to the correct website *without* the dot?

Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 20:48 utc | 131

@Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 20:31 utc | 122

That article wasn't behind a pay wall when I went there earlier.

Here is the archive:
https://archive.ph/V8BcL

Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 20:52 utc | 132

I suspect the reason for this reminder by Russia for what is otherwise obvious is that the US is considering sending missile systems which are capable of hitting Russian airfields from inside Ukraine which may have to be manned by US advisers.

NATO Ukraine arms convoys legitimate targets – Russia
From RT - No link provided due to site filter

Russia will perceive convoys delivering arms from NATO states to Ukraine as legitimate targets for its military once they reach Kiev controlled territory, Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov warned in an interview published on Wednesday.

Regular contact with the US is impossible for Russia, considering “Washington’s unabashed support for militaristic intentions of the Kiev regime [and] the pouring of modern weapons” into the country by NATO members, the diplomat explained Moscow’s goal now is to make it abundantly clear for the US and its allies that Russia will use harsh methods in response to attempts to stymie its military in Ukraine.

“We are warning that American-NATO transports carrying weapons across the Ukrainian territory are considered legitimate military targets,” he stressed.


Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 20:54 utc | 133

Boo | Apr 13 2022 20:31 utc | 122

That's interesting - hit the paywall opening the link in opera so tried it in Yandex incognito which worked.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 13 2022 21:01 utc | 134

Shakesvshav | Apr 13 2022 20:42 utc | 128

Excellent link! There are two articles by Swiss analyst Jacques Baud, the first we have seen, but below on the page is a second article, an excellent French analysis of Russia's goals and progress. Title: The Military Situation in the Ukraine—An Update

You don’t win a war with bias—you lose it. And that’s what is happening. Thus, the Russian coalition was never “on the run” or “stopped” by heroic resistance—it simply did not attack where it was expected. We did not want to listen to what Vladimir Putin had explained to us very clearly. This is why the West has thus become—volens nolens—the main architect of the Ukrainian defeat that is taking shape. Paradoxically, it is probably because of our self-proclaimed “experts” and recreational strategists on our television sets that the Ukraine is in this situation today.

There's much more at this link, be sure to scroll down to the second article The Military Situation in the Ukraine—An Update.

Posted by: jonku | Apr 13 2022 21:06 utc | 135

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 19:06 utc | 86
Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 19:20 utc | 93

Will someone please explain to why all these Telegram links you post, when entered into the search box in Telegram Desktop, return "no messages found"?

Half the Telegram links posted here end up going nowhere? Instead of posting specific post links which may be removed or disappear, post the person's actual channel address, please, so we can go to that channel and look for the post ourselves.

This is becoming extremely irritating.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 21:07 utc | 136

As if on cue:

Intel Slava Z, [13/04/2022 19:57]
🇺🇸🇺🇦⚡️US to give Kiev 200 M113 armored personnel carriers, 11 Mi-17 helicopters, 18 howitzers, 300 Switchblade kamikaze drones, 500 Javelin missiles - Pentagon

Intel Slava Z, [13/04/2022 19:57]
🏳️‍⚧️🇺🇦⚡️A number of NATO countries intend to announce the shipment of tanks to Ukraine, the Pentagon said.

The US expects new military aid to Kiev to begin immediately.

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 21:08 utc | 137

Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 19:54 utc | 106

If you invest the time you will find substantial evidence he's also the real owner of Burisma, or at least was when the Hunter connection was established. Not too many people could fleece the IMF out of better part of $6 billion and get away with it, but he did. Must be some kind of special asset for somebody.

Posted by: bubbles | Apr 13 2022 21:09 utc | 138

My thought reading this intelligence officer at b's post is something like (the guy sincerely speaking, not being ironic), "Hey dudes, bad attempt at Bucha, do it right next time, we'll support you on this...".

Posted by: C Khosta y Alzamendi | Apr 13 2022 21:09 utc | 139

My thought reading this intelligence officer at b's post is something like (the guy sincerely speaking, not being ironic), "Hey dudes, bad attempt at Bucha, do it right next time, we'll support you on this...".

Posted by: C Khosta y Alzamendi | Apr 13 2022 21:09 utc | 140

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 21:07 utc | 134

Hey Richard, I did not know that. Well, I setup my telegram on my phone long time ago so may be, and I'm wildly guessing, something has changed in the defaults when installing the app. I'm surprised that you don't seem to connect to the channels since none of the ones that I link to is private. You can try and join first, by searching for channels with names like rybar, or readovka, and then the join channel button. Beyond that, I'm not sure how to help...

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 21:17 utc | 141

@Boo #69:

Summary for the day from Boris Rozhin. […] https://t.me/colonel_cassad/101939

https://t.me/colonel_cassad is not run by Boris Rozhin! It’s an impostor account that is currently re-posting Rozhin’s content, but may not do so in the future.

Boris Rozhin runs the following Telegram channels:

See this Rozhin’s LiveJournal post for details on his online accounts: Тоталитарная пропаганда в социальных сетях (Colonel Cassad, April 12, 2022 — in Russian).

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 21:18 utc | 142

Where is U.S. - NATO Lt General Roger Cloutheir Jr. His father was a biochemist with the highest U.S. clearence at a secret lab. What is the General doing around PIT 404 the bioweapons lab under the Azovstal in Mariupol?

I would give anything to have video footage of that lab and people testifying what went on. The Russians and Putin have stopped these bioweapons monsters.

Posted by: Jerry1 | Apr 13 2022 21:18 utc | 143

@Richard Steven Hack #134:

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 19:06 utc | 86
Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 19:20 utc | 93

Will someone please explain to why all these Telegram links you post, when entered into the search box in Telegram Desktop, return "no messages found"?

Not sure why you’re nametagging me. I haven’t posted any of those private Telegram channel messages. In fact, I have complained twice to Barofsky who was posting them. I’ve posted a link to Pepe’s private channel itself (not a specific message), which I can’t join because I don’t have Telegram, and asked those who are in touch with him to tell him to set up a public channel, so you and me can read his posts without installing Telegram.

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 21:29 utc | 144

@52 & 86 Boo

LOL! I see you followed my advice and disowned Elensky of the Z.

While you're searching for the link for the image you posted from Telegram, maybe you can post the YouTube link for Elensky's modified terms on the prisoner swap for Medvedchuk you mentioned @52?

You mean aside from the usual swap, Elensky wants all his Nazis back? Maybe he needs them as backup performers for his next shemale dance act.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 13 2022 21:30 utc | 145

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 21:18 utc | 140

OTT: Sure. I noticed that the "impostor" channel posts links to the live journal page of Boris Rozhin that are not appearing on Rozhin's channel, so it's more of a fan than an impostor. I'll link from now directly from Rozhin's channel so ppl dont get confused.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 21:30 utc | 146

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 21:17 utc | 139

I can do that. I have rybar, and twenty or so others. All I have to do to find them is key in the name in the search box and I get a list of channels. It's sometimes hard to decide which channel is right because there are usually several search results with similar names, but if I have the EXACT person's channel ID, I can select it.

What I can't do is find any of the links you and others post. This is why I say post the exact channel ID. It's in the "View Channel Info" section of the 3 dot menu. Post THAT so I can find the channel.

I just went looking for Pepe Escobar's channel and there are a dozen. Which one is right? So I do a Google search and find a reference on VK to a post on Unz by Pepe saying he was suspended and that he's on Telegram, giving the Telegram channel which is supposedly https://t.me/+Uxbn8mAJx2971eDI - I key that in the search, I get "no messages found." So I do a search on "Pepe Escobar" - there are a half dozen such. So I check each one, some say "non official", fine, skip them, keep going, I find one who actually links to the official channel with the same ID as the one above, I click on that, that's the right one.

It's ridiculous. Why the hell can't I do a search on the channel ID and find the damn channel directly?

Telegram is a piece of shit designed by morons.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 21:33 utc | 147

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 21:29 utc | 142

OTT: Hey, S, these are not "private" Telegram channel messages. Everybody can join them if you have Telegram installed on your phone, but nobody else. Telegram's desktop app is not even independent and can't be used without the proper, phone Telegram app, thus I find the expectation that ppl can just open the telegram links provided unfounded.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 21:38 utc | 148

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 21:18 utc | 140

See? This is why Telegram sucks. I've been following the Colonel Cassad account. It seems absolutely no different than the stuff I've seen quoted from him elsewhere.

Fucking ridiculous.

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 21:18 utc | 140

Oh, really? This is from his LiveJournal site, Google translated:

How to contact:

1. LiveJournal - write to Private messages
2. Mail - colonelcassad@inbox.ru
3. Skype - colonelcassad (mainly for interviews, I rarely answer private messages there)
4. Telegram - write to Private messages https://t.me/Colonelcassad

Notice number 4.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 21:39 utc | 149

"My thought reading this intelligence officer at b's post is something like (the guy sincerely speaking, not being ironic), "Hey dudes, bad attempt at Bucha, do it right next time, we'll support you on this..."."
Posted by: C Khosta y Alzamendi | Apr 13 2022 21:09 utc | 138

The Brits are trying to push the US into a shooting war with Russia.

Belarus had intel which was give to Putin

M. K. Bhadrakumar
@BhadraPunchline
1/3 Putin regarding Bucha: “There is a lot of commotion, but they just needed to adopt a new package of sanctions, as we know very well. Today, we (with Lukashenko) discussed their special operation, the psychological operation carried out by the British.

2/3 “If you want to know the addresses, the secret meeting places, the licence plate numbers, the brands of vehicles they used in Bucha, and how they did it, the FSB of Russia can provide this information. If not, we can help.

3/3 “We exposed that ugly, disgusting position of the West together with our Russian friends, in full and from the beginning to the end.” UK prime minister BoJo’s hurried visit to Ukraine to cover-up MI6 role in Bucha stands exposed!
.........

There will probably more of this in the future, UK pulling a false flag in Ukraine and US having to partly refute it as it is designed to perhaps make US enforce its ow sanctions but also push US into a hot war with Russia.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 13 2022 21:40 utc | 150

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 21:29 utc | 142

You were tagged because of the link to Escobar which did not work for me. I had to jump through hoops for twenty minutes to find his real channel ID, which is https://t.me/+Uxbn8mAJx2971eDI .

In fact, I just discovered that unless it's put in the channel info, you can't even see the channel ID while in the Desktop app. The interface is just idiotic.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 21:45 utc | 151

Just ran out to do an errand. Started the car up and turned on the radio and happened upon an NPR (U.S. National Public Radio) report on Ukraine. It's like I'd entered an alternative universe. Russia has committed war crimes all over Ukraine, bombed hospitals and schools "just like they did in Syria," are losing, are on the run, have suffered massive losses, have no secure communications, are calling up untrained troops, etc., etc., etc.

Normally, I insulate myself from the lying liars of the U.S. news media. They lost me on November 23, 1963, to tell the truth, but I've checked in with them now and again, just to see what they're up to and for the occasional food fights among our 2 year old politicians, but I've never, ever heard anything so...propagandistic? mind-bogglingly propagandistic? 1984-ish?

Not even in the "WMDs in Iraq" era. Not even in the McCarthy era which I remember quite well. Even when they were lying about who killed JFK. Even that. There was always a doubting voice somewhere, and, even if it was crying in the wilderness, you could still hear its effects in the cautious assertions of the liars or in their other tells such as invention of the phrase "conspiracy theory."

There was no caution in the NPR report. There was not even a hint of an alternative viewpoint. They were gushing about Ukraine, repeating Ukraine's demand for more weapons, and treating every outright lie or highly questionable report about Russia as God's truth, as if they were reading a catechism.

I get my news on Ukraine from the Grayzone, the Duran, Telesur, Scott Ritter, Patrick Lancaster, Gonzalo Lira, George Galloway, Richard Medhurst, Jimmy Dore and other alternative sources, and here at Moon of Alabama, with background from talks and books by John Mearsheimer, the late Stephen Cohen and others. So I guess I shouldn't be shocked. EVERYONE at these sources or commenting on them talks about the "1984" atmosphere of lies and repression.

People often say things like this: "I thought I was going insane until I found your site" (any of the above).

Are we seeing the United States of America go insane? Perhaps we should talk about this more.

Posted by: Peace Patriot | Apr 13 2022 21:47 utc | 152

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 21:33 utc | 145

OTT: Hmm, the same link that you provided for joining Pepe's channel works for me and I do see his channel once I click on the join channel link. Searching for Pepe Escobar also brings his avatar and channel for me, although I see bunch of impostors, but thankfully the real Pepe has the most followers and it's first in the list.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 21:50 utc | 153

From Russians With Attitude Telegram channel...which is https://t.me/RWApodcast , by the way...

First:
Ukrainian sources, including official ones, are claiming that they've hit the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the cruiser "Moskva", with R-360 "Neptun" missiles. No proof so far.

Second:
Ukrainian Telegram channel "Всевидящее ОКО (https://t.me/oko_xx)" (over 1 million subscribers) briefly posted and then deleted a pic of the Iranian IRIS Kharg that caught on fire & sank in the Gulf of Oman last year as proof. No other confirmation so far.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 21:55 utc | 154

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 21:50 utc | 151

Yes, the imposters are the problem. I got his link directly from an article posted by him just a day or two ago here;
https://www.unz.com/pescobar/suspended-from-twitter/

This is why I say the smart thing when posting a link to a Telegram article is to post the link to the channel - if you can find it. It's supposed to be in the profile found by clicking the 3 dots menu in the upper right (on the Desktop app, don't remember where it is on the phone app as I never use the phone app - although I had to have it because without it the channel list doesn't work in the Desktop app), and selecting Channel Info. But Escobar has not put his link there for some reason.

As I say, the interface is stupid.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 22:00 utc | 155

From Gonzalo Lira's Telegram channel...

He shows a pic of the bridge near Belgorod...

This is the bridge outside of Belgorod in Russia, right on the border with Ukraine, maybe 60 km from Kharkov.

It was damaged overnight, but militarily it doesn’t mean much. Since the Civil War, military engineers have known how to quickly repair broken train tracks. Even if the bridge is structurally unsound (doesn’t look like it), it would be no trick to set up a pontoon bridge and move equipment. A minor delay but it’s no game changer.

I notice while viewing a map of Ukraine yesterday that Belgorod is very close to the Ukraine border. And the area where the Russians control is near there, but just some miles away to the west is all Ukrainian territory. So it is no longer a surprise to me that some Ukrainian helicopters can come from the west, swing into Russia near Belgorod and execute attacks in that area.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 22:06 utc | 156

You were tagged because of the link to Escobar which did not work for me. I had to jump through hoops for twenty minutes to find his real channel ID, which is https://t.me/+Uxbn8mAJx2971eDI .


Are you sure this is the real channel?

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 22:07 utc | 157

Posted by: Peace Patriot | Apr 13 2022 21:47 utc | 150

Well, what should probably not come as a surprise to you, but this is the first truly global PR/Info/Psy-ops war. I read somewhere that around 150 PR companies, both ukranian and foreign, are involved from the Ukranian side with managing the messages, photos, videos, statements, you name it of their politicians, TV personalities/journalists, mil. ppl.

All of the western world 3 letter agencies are working for Ukraine non-stop, especially MI6. All of the MSM is theirs - the journo whores in Europe have been trained by various programs such as IntegrityInitiative, 77th brigade. Ray Mcgovern renamed the MIC complex as the MICIMATT complex - The Military-Industrial-Counter-Intelligence-Media-Academia-Think Tank complex. The scale is global, the message and the narrative they are shaping is (almost) global. Truly satanic in its purpose.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 22:08 utc | 158

From Russian MoFA Telegram channel...

Maxim Grigoryev, the chairman of the International Public Tribunal for Ukraine, shares first-hand accounts of citizens of Ukraine regarding war crimes committed by the Ukrainian military and Neo-Nazis in his telegram channel (https://t.me/grigoriev_maxim/2).

Natalya Kudinova from Mariupol on crimes of Azov battalions (https://t.me/grigoriev_maxim/3):

There was a grandmother with two little girls. One was 22 months old, the second one was probably 4 years old. They had been sitting in the basement all this time. They tried to get out, at least to get some water. She said: "Azov battalion was standing there. They were shooting at our feet" ...

***

Irina Bykova from Mariupol on crimes of soldiers of Ukraine (https://t.me/grigoriev_maxim/5):

When we were crossing the street, Ukraine began to shoot at us. They deliberately did it...

***

Elena Buntseva from Mariupol on Ukrainian tanks’ fire at the houses of civilians (https://t.me/grigoriev_maxim/7).

We were hiding in the basement at my brother's place. And there were tanks driving and other machines like that. They were shooting all the time and hit his house too...

***

Vita from Mariupol on crimes of Ukrainian soldiers (https://t.me/grigoriev_maxim/30):

<...> They occupied appartements, occupied basements, were throwing people out into the streets and then shoot, from these appartements, from these basements.

👉 (https://t.me/maximgrigoryev) More testimonies (https://t.me/grigoriev_maxim/32)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 22:09 utc | 159

Just tried to post a report from MoFA with several Telegram links in it...filter killed it... Sigh...

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 22:11 utc | 160

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 22:07 utc | 155

OTT: yes, if you search using yandex/google/etc for "Pepe Escobar telegram channel" this one shows up (the plus sign in the begining is optional, methinks, since it works the same w/o).

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 22:11 utc | 161

@Roger #82

Thank you, that was very informative.

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 22:12 utc | 162

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 22:07 utc | 155

As I said, I got it directly from the article I referenced above at Unz by Pepe himself. At this stage, I'm not prepared to trust any Telegram channel ID unless it is issued by the individual himself or someone who knows that individual personally.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 22:13 utc | 163

This hapless Justin Trudeau once again proving to the world what a witless, ignorant, potato head he is all rolled into one.

“Absolutely right' to call Russia's actions in Ukraine genocide, Trudeau says”

“Trudeau pointed to Russian military attacks on civilians, including the targeting of health-care facilities and train stations, as well as sexual violence in the conflict. He also said Russia is attacking "Ukrainian identity and culture."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-ukraine-russia-genocide-1.6418408

Posted by: Krypton | Apr 13 2022 22:16 utc | 164

"...the real war is a propaganda one, and right now, the Russians are losing that one but it's not directed at Russia, it’s the populations of the Imperialist block as they’re the only ones who could stop it...." Barofsky@115

So, in fact the losers are not the Russians but the plain people of the imperialist bloc. The Russians aren't involved in this information war. The one that interests them is that being waged in India, the rest of the former colonial world, Latin America and Asia as a whole. And there, by all accounts, they are at least holding their own.

As to the nonsense gratuitously inserted, regarding the pandemic. The problem with the logic, behind arguing that the pandemic must have been a hoax because the ruling class made great use of the emergency it justified, is that it is founded in a real misunderstanding of the nature of class rule and history. This is neither the time nor place to discuss this, however, which is why I suggest that you add nothing to the valuable content of your posts by tainting them with references to Covid.
In fact this blog did yeoman work in protecting dissidents from burying themselves in the rabbit plunge down.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 13 2022 22:21 utc | 165

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 22:13 utc | 160

OTT: Actually Richard, you just need to search for the name that is part of the telegram links posted. For example, if the link posted is as such:

https://t.me/readovkanews/30866

the second term - in this case readovkanews - after the t.me is the name of the channel, while the 3rd/last term is the ID of the message. You can use the second term in your search and that channel will be listed first in the search results and the true channel to join. HTH.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 22:21 utc | 166

@135 Barofsky

A bit light, compared to the Czech/Swedish/German batch of 70s Soviet armor and artillery.

M113 = Vietnam era APC, possibly with ATGM mounted on it. I think they threw in some US tracked artillery of similar vintage too, which along with spotter drones and maybe specialty ammo, would be the most valuable thing. All told enough for a couple brigades of mercenaries familiar with western equipment, so I guess look for that.

500 javelins would last a week at the rate they got consumed (used/lost/fell-off-the-truck). Would think they expect thousands more. The helicopters are a nice gift, if not wasted on kamikaze's.

Posted by: ptb | Apr 13 2022 22:22 utc | 167

@Richard Steven Hack | 125

For those condemning the DIA official for ascribing war crimes to Russia, remember, he's deliberately undercutting the President of the United States. ... If the administration finds out who he is, his career is toast. But it shows how much at least some people in the Pentagon are fighting to stop WWIII.
----
Thank you for a very important point, a premise that I hope most of us here already understood in this case. The DIA official in fact shows some courage considering the very public crucifixion of others who dare to expose the empire's crimes. Hasty condemnation and judgmentalism sows unnecessary division among natural allies.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 13 2022 22:33 utc | 168

Rejoice, brethren, and do not believe the lies about Christianity. Like the parable of the Prodigal Son, for each of you there is a fattened calf waiting to celebrate your return.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 13 2022 20:15 utc | 117

I feel like I'm Anna in Luke chapter 2!

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 13 2022 22:36 utc | 169

From Rybar Telegram channel...

In the previous article [Link removed so this will post] we wrote about the plans of Great Britain to equip Odessa with coastal missile systems and analyzed why this is a game for the future.

However, the possibility of supplying Ukraine with Harpoon anti-ship missiles from the stocks of the Canadian Navy is being discussed (https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/john-ivison-ukraine-asked-us-for-missiles-we-sent-words) by the government Trudeau. The corresponding request to the Prime Minister was voiced by Zelensky during his call.

And although officials deliberately delay making a decision, most of the details have already been worked out.

The supply of 24 missiles and components will be carried out by Canadian military transport aviation to Romania, from where the products will be transferred by ground transport to the border with Ukraine. Apparently, the transfer will be through the Reni border checkpoint.

The missiles are planned to be installed on non-standard carriers - cargo trailers. In the same way, the Argentines did the same with the French Exocet anti-ship missiles during the Falklands War. That, however, did not prevent them from hitting the British destroyer.

The possibility of purchasing unmanned aerial vehicles from the Canadian company Canadian UAV, which will conduct reconnaissance and target designation, is being discussed.

Ukraine will also receive command and control modules that will receive data from space intelligence supplied by the Canadian company MDA Ltd (formerly part of Maxar Technologies).
#Canada #Ukraine
@rybar


Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 22:36 utc | 170

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 22:21 utc | 163

Some of these links don't seem to have a recognizable name, IIRC. Next time I'll try that if I can see a name.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 22:37 utc | 171

@26 AmigoS "I seriously doubt the original plan was for Russia just to distract and keep Ukrainian forces around Kiev."

Why not? If the Russians made a feint towards Kiev and the Ukrainians responded by falling back into Kiev then - in essense - Zelensky has just turned his own garrison into Prisoners of War.

And, furthermore, they are PoW that *he* is required to feed, Putin has no responsibility for their welfare.

Think about it: one side (Russia) still have mobility and the ability to maneuver. The other side (Ukraine) lost that ability once Russia gained air supremecy and set about the destruction of Ukrainian logistics.

So once those Ukrainian forces fell back into Kiev then that's where they stay. They can't get back into the lorries and move out to (say) Donbas should they be needed there.

But the Russians could, and they just did.

Posted by: Yeah, Right | Apr 13 2022 22:40 utc | 172

As I mentioned in a post at Antiwar.com, the fact that a DIA officer is willing to publicly undercut Biden's line shows once again that the Pentagon is fighting to prevent this war from expanding. It begins to look like only the Pentagon is trying to prevent WWIII. Which in itself should be frightening.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 20:30 utc | 121

Do you think a military coup is possible? White hats and all that?

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 13 2022 22:41 utc | 173

The picture that Pepe posted few hours ago on his channel has been reposted as well on Martyanov's blog by a contributor; here's the discuss URL where it's hosted:

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6327d73a8d8980ed61d757c7ef89c177ccd7a5e49b880d6ffc231e8938e7d2ec.jpg

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 22:45 utc | 174

@Richard Steven Hack #147:

Oh, really? This is from his LiveJournal site, Google translated:

How to contact:

[…]
4. Telegram - write to Private messages https://t.me/Colonelcassad

Notice number 4.

Yes, really.

https://t.me/colonel_cassad and https://t.me/Colonelcassad are not the same thing.

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 22:46 utc | 175

From Army_Russia Telegram channel...

VGTRK reporter Alexander Sladkov @Sladkov_plus

UKRAINIAN PRISONERS ARE DIFFERENT EVERY DAY.

The first batch was like in suspended animation: complete disorientation, they did not even know that the LDNR was recognized by Russia. Now they are veterans of the movement, they feel comfortable in the rear of the DPR.

The second batch, 267 Marines, are organized, tidy, well-fed people, controlled by commanders. They gave up on their own decision.

The third tried yesterday to get out of the encirclement and hide. They were beaten and killed, their commanders abandoned them - it was not difficult to catch and force them to surrender. They are dirty, from them amber, as if from a landfill, dressed somehow.

Another party, 1,000 Marines, motley, aged 20 to 55. Many in neat civilian clothes - they say the uniform burned down. Many of the identity cards have been torn out.

Every third is wounded, every tenth is seriously. They didn't want to give up, but they had to. There will be more to come.

@rt_russian

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 22:50 utc | 176

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 22:46 utc | 172

You're absolutely right. My bad.

Fortunately the channel I follow is https://t.me/boris_rozhin which is also listed as Colonelcassad, so apparently I have the right one.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 22:53 utc | 177

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 13 2022 22:41 utc | 170

No. In the end, the sycophantic Generals at the top will obey orders, in my opinion. But they will argue tooth and nail against it, and that might sway enough of the Cabinet to stop it. Or they could go to Congress and find some Senators who might be against it.

We'll just have to see if it comes to that.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 22:56 utc | 178

This is neither the time nor place to discuss this, however, which is why I suggest that you add nothing to the valuable content of your posts by tainting them with references to Covid.
In fact this blog did yeoman work in protecting dissidents from burying themselves in the rabbit plunge down.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 13 2022 22:21 utc | 162

Actually Bevin there was a huge number of posts on the lurgy after B freed up the threads. My observation was that the intelligent folks here just wanted to cross pollinate their experiences and observations, a very healthy process imo. Right now on this very Ukraine thread there are plenty of rabbit holes on offer and you know what I am referring to. Few take them up.

Given how seriously China and to a less extent Russia are taking covid I conclude that it is not a fabrication, however it was most definitely part of the western propaganda prelude for the manufacture of consent for Ukraine war.

I surmise that just like Russia in Ukraine, China got the jump on the west with its incredibly rapid covid response (surely a result of their own intelligence reports) and hence disrupted the plans. But simple hindsight observation is all that is required to see there was a preplanned propaganda war that came with covid. Politicians were literally reading from worldwide scripts.
This does not negate the existence or severity of the pathogen and it seems there will be a lot more to come out about this regarding bio labs.

This line of reasoning goes along with understanding that false flags are most often real incidents of murder and destruction, whereas many assume they are "fake" . Covid being used like a false flag does not mean it isn't real.

Since I appreciate all your posts, I for one would welcome your thoughts on this topic when you feel the time is right.

I didn't get the jab because I was in a position to be able to work without having it, most in Australia were not. Most of my family and friends had to and thankfully they are all fine, but we know people who aren't both from the jab and from the illness. However this has always been the case from many kinds of vaccines for example the controversial HPV jab and there are many types of virus beyond covid that can cause serious and long lasting illness.

Without a doubt the hype around this "pandemic" was worldwide and unprecedented exactly as the hype around the Ukraine war.

Posted by: K | Apr 13 2022 22:56 utc | 179

#167 Richard Hack

So the Argentines sunk the Brit ship by launching missiles off road-borne transport! That is ingenious and pioneering. That story is not what I learned ,as I heard it was standard aeroplane -borne Exocet.

In any case, I hope you are right as it appeals to my love of the new and original.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Apr 13 2022 22:57 utc | 180

#167 Richard Hack

So the Argentines sunk the Brit ship by launching missiles off road-borne transport! That is ingenious and pioneering. That story is not what I learned ,as I heard it was standard aeroplane -borne Exocet.

In any case, I hope you are right as it appeals to my love of the new and original.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Apr 13 2022 22:57 utc | 181

From Anna News Telegram channel...

The commander of the missile division of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was destroyed

It became known that in the course of a special military operation, the division commander of the Ukrainian 19th missile brigade, Lieutenant Colonel Dmitry Vasiliev, was destroyed.

Recall that this formation, which is armed with Tochka-U missiles, is responsible for the shelling of Donetsk on March 14 and the recent attack on Kramatorsk. Both incidents killed dozens of civilians.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 23:00 utc | 182

Posted by: Brother Ma | Apr 13 2022 22:57 utc | 177

Yeah, that's what I thought, too - Exocet. Much more likely, in my view. But who knows?

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 23:02 utc | 183

@Boo #144:

I noticed that the "impostor" channel posts links to the live journal page of Boris Rozhin that are not appearing on Rozhin's channel, so it's more of a fan than an impostor.

An account run by a fan would clearly state that it’s not run by Boris Rozhin, but this one doesn’t. So I think we should be careful with it. So far it has been reposting Rozhin’s LJ posts, but one day it may start posting something else. As Rozhin explains:

I have nothing to do with maintaining this channel https://t.me/colonel_cassad, where the cross-post of posts from the LiveJournal blog goes

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 23:06 utc | 184

From Anna News Telegram channel...

Kyiv scares Kherson residents that Russia will leave Novorossiya

Our special correspondent Nikolai Varsegov reports from the southern sector of the military special operation

Most of all, they are afraid that our army will suddenly leave Kherson. And then the Nazis will deal with everyone who took Russian canned food, cereals and pasta just as brutally as with those who took our help in Bucha.

Moreover, Arestovich, an adviser to the Ukrainian president, has repeatedly stated that the Russians are going to leave the Kherson region. It is clear that this was done with a single goal - to intimidate the population. And people were really scared. As the military say, after that, many citizens who were ready to cooperate with us "lay low" and you can understand them.

Here's the paradox: the Kyiv authorities are scaring the Ukrainian population with the fact that the Russian "occupiers" will leave, and they will return.


Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 23:09 utc | 185

From Intel Slava Z Telegram channel... LOL Snarky comment...

Ukrainian "refugees" are outraged by the reception they received in Germany. That feeling when you were waiting for a house in Hamburg and a German passport, but got a bunk next to the gypsies.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 23:11 utc | 186

I used some argument cultivated here, to defend RF motivations,
on an admittedly minor Russia thread in the inter webs.

BANNED, for “abusive language”
Even though I was the one ridiculed
Go figure.

Thanks b, and all the posters here for injecting sanity into an insane
predicament.

Posted by: Cadence calls | Apr 13 2022 23:12 utc | 187

Take that, Congressional criminals...

Russia blacklists 398 members of US House of Representatives — Foreign Ministry
Moscow to announce new retaliatory measures, particularly expanding the blacklist, as well as other steps
https://tass.com/politics/1437385


"Tit-for-tat restrictions have been introduced on 398 members of the House of Representatives of the US Congress in response to another wave of sanctions that the Joe Biden administration imposed on Russia on March 24, targeting 328 members of the State Duma, which, given that some Russian lawmakers had been sanctioned earlier, meant that nearly all of its members were blacklisted," the statement reads.

"The individuals in question, including top officials and committee chairpersons in the lower house of the US Congress, have been blacklisted by Russia permanently. Together with other incumbent lawmakers, who, like House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, were barred from entering Russia earlier, all members of the US Congress have been blacklisted on the basis of reciprocity," the ministry added.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 23:15 utc | 188

Studying this next stage, I'm starting to think this operation will take a number of months.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1V8NzjQkzMOhpuLhkktbiKgodOQ27X6IV&ll=48.085053389307575%2C37.89823195114936&z=7

The static fortified zone of the last seven years is mostly a free fire zone though even there, there is still some civilians. Behind that is a large amount of occupied Donetsk - many villages and towns with civilians will need to be cleared. Many of these will have defensive positions set up by now.
From what I can make of it, the original moves tied down all Ukraine forces so there would be no reinforcement of Mariupol. Ukraine forces from Kiev and other area's are no moving to Donetsk. I can't see there being a major caldron as such, rather a number of smaller ones - various concentrations of Ukie forces and perhaps just more in the areas of the old static frontlines. Hopefully, being more concentrated, the Russian forces will now have better drone coverage and better air defense from MLRS and artillery fire. From what I can make of it, the majority of early losses were due to artillery ambushes. Even then in terms of troops, from what I can make of it was about ten to one in Russia's favour.

Russia seems to have set up a sustainable methodical operation, the Chechen forces specialized in urban warfare look to be a huge asset. I suspect the combined west will beat themselves into a frenzy - the term useless meat beater comes to mind - Uk will continue to try and push US into a war with Russia, The Pole/Balt quad might stick their nose in and get it broken...

Pakistan will be interesting. Massive crowds coming out for Imran Khan. I suspect US will lose there too. Multi polar world taking shape while US/UK bogged down in and transfixed by Ukraine.


Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 13 2022 23:16 utc | 189

@Richard Steven Hack #145:

So I do a Google search and find a reference on VK to a post on Unz by Pepe saying he was suspended and that he's on Telegram, giving the Telegram channel which is supposedly https://t.me/+Uxbn8mAJx2971eDI - I key that in the search, I get "no messages found."

You’re not supposed to put that code in the search field. It’s an invite code, not a channel name. You have to open that link in your browser, then click the “JOIN CHANNEL” button, which will take you to your desktop Telegram client, offering to join the channel.

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 23:17 utc | 190

Barovsky #127

You are absolutely right.

Putin lost an older brother in the siege of Leningrad ,before Putin was born of course, and his parents lived through it and it devastated them. Noone in the West ,apart from Poland, Greece and Yugoslavia know what such devastation can wreak on future generations as well.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Apr 13 2022 23:18 utc | 191


Is the news about the attack on the Russian ship confirmed?

Posted by: Eol | Apr 13 2022 23:21 utc | 192

The issue with the "Moscow" which is claimed to be hit with "harpoon" rocket by the ukies is real, Russians claim fire and serious damage:

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/42186
https://russian.rt.com/russia/news/990166-minoborony-kreiser-detonaciya-boezapasa

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 23:22 utc | 193

Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 23:00 utc | 179

From what I read, he was killed in an action on 19th March, intel only now confirming that.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 13 2022 23:25 utc | 194

Cont’d from #187

My bad. The code is actually a channel ID, but anyway, you can’t search for it—you must click the button. The problem is that it’s a private channel. From Telegram’s Channels FAQ:

Q: How are public and private channels different?

Public channels have a username. Anyone can find them in Telegram search and join. Private channels are closed societies – you need to be added by the owner or get an invite link to join.

Pepe needs to set up a public channel so that people without a Telegram client can see his posts.

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 23:28 utc | 195

Eol | Apr 13 2022 23:21 utc | 189

They may have managed to hit a civilian ship, but I'm not sure a horse drawn carriage would get past the defenses of a Russian naval ship.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 13 2022 23:32 utc | 196

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 23:17 utc | 187

The part where opening in browser and getting the link to the Telegram app does not work on my Linux box. Says it can't find the app... I have to put the link in the search field in the Telegram Desktop app manually.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 23:33 utc | 197

Posted by: Eol | Apr 13 2022 23:21 utc | 189

No. I referenced that above, here again:

From Russians With Attitude Telegram channel...which is https://t.me/RWApodcast , by the way...

First:
Ukrainian sources, including official ones, are claiming that they've hit the flagship of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the cruiser "Moskva", with R-360 "Neptun" missiles. No proof so far.

Second:
Ukrainian Telegram channel "Всевидящее ОКО (https://t.me/oko_xx)" (over 1 million subscribers) briefly posted and then deleted a pic of the Iranian IRIS Kharg that caught on fire & sank in the Gulf of Oman last year as proof. No other confirmation so far.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 13 2022 23:35 utc | 198

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 23:28 utc | 192

How do you see posts w/o telegram client? I had telegram installed for cpl of years already, so was able to always look things up in the app, but my understanding is that even for the web interface at web.telegram.org one needs login credentials to access.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 23:36 utc | 199

@Richard Steven Hack #149:

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 21:29 utc | 142

You were tagged because of the link to Escobar which did not work for me. I had to jump through hoops for twenty minutes to find his real channel ID, which is https://t.me/+Uxbn8mAJx2971eDI

That is the exact same link I gave in #93:

Pepe’s Telegram group chat (requires Telegram to join): https://t.me/+Uxbn8mAJx2971eDI

I should have called it private channel, not group chat, though.

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 23:38 utc | 200

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