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April 13, 2022

U.S. Military Intelligence Official Refutes 'Russian Atrocities' Claims

Russian soldiers left the town Bucha in Ukraine on March 30. Two days later the Ukrainian Gestapo like SBU and men of the fascist Azov battalion moved in to find and remove 'traitors'. On April 2/3 video was published that showed freshly killed men laying on the streets of Bucha. Several of them had white arm bands signaling to Russian forces to see them as friendlies.

The 'west' and Ukrainian officials immediately called those dead the result of 'Russian atrocities'.

I had called it a provocation:

The Bucha 'Russian' atrocities propaganda onslaught may have worked well in the 'west' but it lacks evidence that Russia had anything to do with it.

The former Indian ambassador M.K. Bhadrakumar calls it an outright fake: ...

And a fake it was.

Thankfully there are still some sane U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency officials and William Arkin is talking with them:

Last Wednesday, Bucha Mayor Anatolii Fedoruk said that 320 people had been killed in the town of 37,000.
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"It is ugly," a senior official with the Defense Intelligence Agency tells Newsweek. "But we forget that two peer competitors fought over Bucha for 36 days, and that the town was occupied, that Russian convoys and positions inside the town were attacked by the Ukrainians and vice versa, that ground combat was intense, that the town itself was literally fought over."
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"I am not for a second excusing Russia's war crimes, nor forgetting that Russia invaded the country," says the DIA official. "But the number of actual deaths is hardly genocide. If Russia had that objective or was intentionally killing civilians, we'd see a lot more than less than .01 percent in places like Bucha."

320 of 37,000 is not .01 percent. But we do not know how many of those dead were Russian or Ukrainian soldiers. Some of the dead were so called 'civilian defenders' which were supposedly local civilians to whom the government had handed guns to 'fight the Russians'. During a war a 'civilian' with a government issued gun shooting at enemy soldiers is a combatant, not a civilian.

The DIA official continues:

"Have the Russians been indiscriminate? Absolutely. But it shouldn't too surprising. It's part and parcel of the Russian way of war, lining up their artillery guns and letting loose," the DIA official says. "But here in particular, in Bucha and the other towns around it—Irpin and Hostomel—there was intense ground fighting that involved almost 20 battalion tactical groups."

I doubt that there is really intentional 'indiscriminate' Russian artillery fire. The Russians have held back quite a lot and paid in blood for it.

One should also note that the often shown mass graves in Bucha were not from recent actions but had been dug on March 10 after heavy fighting when Russian soldiers tried to enter the town:

Maxar Technologies, which collects and publishes satellite imagery of Ukraine, said the first signs of excavation for a mass grave at the Church of St. Andrew and Pyervozvannoho All Saints were seen on March 10.

"More recent coverage on March 31st shows the grave site with an approximately 45-foot-long trench in the southwestern section of the area near the church," Maxar said.

The DIA official clearly says the civilian casualties in Ukraine, which are quite low, get overplayed and that attributing them solely to Russia is wrong:

On Monday, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights said it had recorded 1,793 deaths and 2,439 injuries to civilians in all of Ukraine since the war began on February 24. U.S. intelligence believes that the true number is some five times greater, as previously reported by Newsweek.

"It's bad," the DIA official says. "And I don't want to say it's not too bad. But I can't help but stress that beyond the clamor, we are not seeing the war clearly. Where there has been intense ground fighting and a standoff between Ukrainian and Russian forces, the destruction is almost total. But in terms of actual damage in Kyiv or other cities outside the battle zone, and with regard to the number of civilian casualties overall, the evidence contradicts the dominant narrative."
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The official says that it is dangerous to attribute one or even several graves and scenes of civilian disaster to Russian barbarism rather than just being realistic about the depredations of war.

The official also worries that attributing the destructiveness only to Russian conduct, rather than to war itself, creates future dangers.

"If we blame all the damage on Putin, as if he commanded it and that it is due solely to Russian war crimes, we are going to walk away from Ukraine with some illusion in our heads that modern warfare can be fought more cleanly, that the Ukraine war is an anomaly solely created by Russia's behavior. This war is just demonstrating how destructive any war on this scale would be."

One should avoid to wage war whenever possible but it also important to end wars as quickly as possible:

"Maybe it's heartless to urge that we look at Ukraine with precision, without human emotion," says the DIA official.

"But for those who think tens of thousands have died and Russia is intentionally killing civilians and pursuing genocide, I say that's even more of an argument to find a diplomatic solution to cease fighting. But nothing is going to happen in the coming days or weeks to change the reality on the battlefield. That's why stopping the fighting should be our highest priority."

Unfortunately ending the war is not a priority for the U.S. nor the EU. Their leaders are drunk on the idea that the Ukraine defeated Russia around Kiev. They seem to believe that the Ukraine can defeat Russia everywhere.

But the retreat from Kiev was ordered because the deceptive move towards it had fulfilled its purpose of keeping a large number of Ukrainian soldiers in place around Kiev while the Russian army opened the land corridor to Crimea.

The Ukraine has no chance to defeat the Russian army no matter how many old tanks or airplanes the U.S. and EU countries move to it.

Sending more weapons only prolongs the war and inevitably creates more military and civilian casualties on both sides.

Posted by b on April 13, 2022 at 14:55 UTC | Permalink

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Thanks b. Nice to see some recognition that UA propaganda is full of s##t. Nice to see UA marines having some common sense. Nice to see defeat of Azovites in Mariupol close to being finished. Will be interesting to see how the 'big battle' to liberate the rest of DNR unfolds.

Posted by: ptb | Apr 13 2022 15:03 utc | 1

Except he doesn’t refute the idea that Russian troops committed war crimes in Bucha. All he is saying is it was not genocide, no deliberate program of murder.

Posted by: Freddie Flintstone | Apr 13 2022 15:09 utc | 2

The DIA is still telling nonsense. By sounding a little less fanatical than our media and politicians, they pretend to be realistic and telling the truth. But they are not because there is on indiscriminate fire by Russian forces, quite to the contrary. And the fact that there are so few civilian deaths confirms that. Being indiscriminate is typical of US wars by the way. That's why there have been hundreds of thousands if not millions of victims in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya etc. Half a million dead children in Syria alone, which was worth it according to Albright, who I hope is burning in hell. And one of the whistleblowers who leaked the report confirming that by far most drone victims are civilians is in jail.

Not to mention that there are no Russian war crimes being committed.

Posted by: Nico | Apr 13 2022 15:11 utc | 3

The Russians have been restrained in their SMO so far and the reason for it is because they know precisely, literally and figuratively speaking where the bodies are buried. They’re trying not to destroy key evidence that will be used later on at the Nuremberg 2.0 trials.

They waited until all the key elements were in place before the operation began but make no mistake this operation has been years in the planning.

Posted by: Down South | Apr 13 2022 15:12 utc | 4

Re: economic impacts

Personally heard people grocery in US complain to strangers about prices of basic food! Can't remember seeing that here. Fuel still cheap, (E10 is around $4.50/gallon ($1.20/L), diesel about 35% more). Another round of China manufactured-parts disruption is yet to come. (aside... testing 25 million people in 18 hours in just Shanghai, 100x current US national rate, 10x US peak national rate), repeated this multiple times a week, built 100 hospitals in 2 weeks. Not screwing around over there. Does the Sullivan / Nuland brain trust really want to fight them? But of course...)

Now for EU... what will happen in 3 months? Clearly there is now no willingness for meaningful negotiation.

My preferred barometer for this, natgas: 2022-2023 natgas prices are now locked in as far as I can tell (at average levels far below what is indicated on the futures, since most serious commercial and industrial buyers would have arranged private-contracts/futures/options of some type long before the war started), and the natgas futures strip for this season is thus looking pretty steady. Market action, whether intelligently or not, is indicating that EU supply is assumed secure, with partial reduction in Russian gas. On the other hand, 2023-2024 prices are continuing to climb. Representative ICE contract shown below:

https://imgur.com/oIcu5EH

Per above, 2023-2024 season gas in EU is up to €/MWh (around $25/MMBtu)!! If this price gets locked in, that is the real global-industrial-pattern-altering economic impact. I am expecting many more trips by EU heads of state to Moscow to try to salvage the situation. Have a feeling Russian government has had it, and as far as impact of sanctions on energy trade is concerned, will "let it burn" for a few months until EU industrial firms are able to convince governments to be less suicidal.

Posted by: ptb | Apr 13 2022 15:14 utc | 5

Pentagon Asks Top 8 US Arms Makers to Meet on Ukraine

US weapons makers are expected to reap long-term benefits from the war

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-04-12/pentagon-asks-top-8-u-s-arms-makers-to-meet-on-ukraine-sources

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The Pentagon will host leaders from the top eight U.S. weapons manufacturers on Wednesday to discuss the industry's capacity to meet Ukraine's weapons needs if the war with Russia lasts years, two people familiar with the meeting said on Tuesday.

Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 15:15 utc | 6

errr Q4 2023 ICE TTF natgas = 77 €/MWh (!!!)

Posted by: ptb | Apr 13 2022 15:17 utc | 7

A couple practical points.

Anyone could have tied white armbands on corpses after the fact. No reason why town residents would be wearing them days after the Russians had left.

The mayor is going to say what the mayor needs to say to remain alive.

Maxar Technologies may not be as threatened as the mayor, they will be as self-interested as the mayor.

It is very interesting anyone from DIA is off narrative.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 13 2022 15:17 utc | 8

thanks b.... i agree with your conclusions at the end.. usa-nato are definitely intent on keeping the war going, and sacrificing ukrainians as a consequence... they are not interested in a solution, just as they were not interested in a solution prior to this war... there actions have been a provocation all along for anyone paying attention... unfortunately the DIA spokesperson and all the others in the usa system getting a pay check - they are unable or unwilling, or incapable of acknowledging any of this either! i don't buy a lot of what they are saying either way...

Posted by: james | Apr 13 2022 15:19 utc | 9

Anyone who thinks that wars happen like they do in videogames, movies, or in highlight videos shared by military propagandists with CNN doesn't understand the immense monstrosity of war. As usual, in the case of Ukraine, virtue (or what passes for virtue in war) is being punished. As I think most MoA readers understand, if Russia acted like the US does in its wars, the civilian casualty count would be 10x higher, and Ukraine's infrastructure and communications would have been decimated. Further, following this destruction US-imposed sanctions would have made it impossible for Ukraine to rebuild, leading to more civilian deaths even after the battles were over.

The only hope for Ukraine is a speedy surrender, but this of course is not what is happening. The west is only too happy for more lives to be lost for no good purpose.

Posted by: worldblee | Apr 13 2022 15:21 utc | 10

yasha levine would probably still call us 'bucha denialists' and 'putin bootlickers'...

Posted by: vato | Apr 13 2022 15:21 utc | 11

But the DIA official still says, ""I am not for a second excusing Russia's war crimes, nor forgetting that Russia invaded the country" and "Have the Russians been indiscriminate? Absolutely. But it shouldn't too surprising. It's part and parcel of the Russian way of war, lining up their artillery guns and letting loose". That other Newsweek article comes to no definite explanation for why Putin might be "holding back"; it jumps between possible explanations like "maybe he is leaving room for a political settlement" or "Caught with his pants down, perhaps Putin indeed pivoted after he realized that Ukraine wasn't going to be a cakewalk and that Kyiv wasn't conquerable." And huge loss of Russian lives and resources to attack Kiev makes the claim that it was one big deceptive move very lacking in plausibility.

Posted by: Inkan1969 | Apr 13 2022 15:24 utc | 12

@Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 15:15 utc | 6

There should be a war-profit tax on companies (and their stock buyers/sellers) making money off the blood spilled in Ukraine
and the Donbas.

Set the tax at 50%.

Where I live there is a strong push to donate monies to Ukrainian refugees.
I see that in the same light as forcing people to wear pandemic masks,
it is just theater. Highlighting the plight of the refugees is designed
to make the war personal for citizens of the US, and gain support for Ukrainian Nazis.

I say if you care about refugees
stop creating them.

Where have we been creating refugees?
Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya, Palestine, Lebanon...Ukraine...and more.

War should not be profitable.

Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 15:26 utc | 13

Despite the fact that the "U.S. Military Intelligence Official Refutes 'Russian Atrocities' Claims" is articulated in innuendo such as:"Have the Russians been indiscriminate? Absolutely." Which is absolute nonsense. Yet it seems that the Pentagon is becoming wary of the wild Western Media and deranged Western politicians who are bent on pushing NATO into the conflict by hook or crook. Thus the serial refutals of the Western talking points by the U.S. Intellegence Agency about the war in the recent time. Unlike the NATO psychos, the professionals among the military hierarchy understand the danger of allowing things to get out of hand.

Posted by: Steve | Apr 13 2022 15:27 utc | 14

@ librul 6
US weapons makers are expected to reap long-term benefits from the war
And of course that means more money available for funding the re-election campaigns of congress-critters, no matter what citizens want. As Senator Rounds (R-SD) has recently said: “It’s very important that the American people understand that we want the Ukrainians to win, and we will support them with appropriate intelligence information and weapons." . . .democracy in action! (not)

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 13 2022 15:33 utc | 15

Glenn Greenwald on the unprecedented censorship regime imposed across the NATOsphere.

"...What makes this outburst of Western censorship so notable — and what is at least partially driving it — is that there is a clear, demonstrable hunger in the West for news and information that is banished by Western news sources, ones which loyally and unquestioningly mimic claims from the U.S. government, NATO, and Ukrainian officials. As The Washington Post acknowledged when reporting Big Tech's “unprecedented” banning of RT, Sputnik and other Russian sources of news: “In the first four days of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, viewership of more than a dozen Russian state-backed propaganda channels on YouTube spiked to unusually high levels.”

"Note that this censorship regime is completely one-sided and, as usual, entirely aligned with U.S. foreign policy. Western news outlets and social media platforms have been flooded with pro-Ukrainian propaganda and outright lies from the start of the war..."
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/western-dissent-from-usnato-policy?token

Posted by: bevin | Apr 13 2022 15:41 utc | 16

I think indiscriminate fire is being juxtaposition to precision guided fire. Laying an artillery strike on coordinates X,Y is “indiscriminate “ compared to a PGM targeting specific vehicle or structure. The difference is real.

Posted by: Wobblie | Apr 13 2022 15:43 utc | 17

I'd like to ask a few different questions: Has a list been compiled of the infrastructure that has NOT been targeted and damaged or destroyed?

For example: Govt buildings, churches, TV stations, hospitals, museums, ballet, Internet distribution, bridges, ferry boats, border patrol, agriculture, grocery stores, imports of clothing, shoes etc.

Is life going on as usual to the extent possible? Is nightlife still happening? What's the latest new drink been named? Is tourism dead?

Is the UKR blob causing as much damage as RF in non direct combat situations?

I don't watch TV or read NYT or WP. Not heart healthy!

Is anyone filming or blogging the positive side of daily life as people go about their business?

Posted by: Michael | Apr 13 2022 15:44 utc | 18

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 13 2022 15:33 utc | 15

Talking about weapons senior Bacon:

https://news.antiwar.com/2022/04/12/pentagon-asks-top-8-us-arms-makers-to-meet-on-ukraine/

The US government is starting a QE for the weapon manufacturers, weapon effectiveness not needed, just quantity.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 15:45 utc | 19

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 15:45 utc | 19

Bah, did not see you're replying to the same news, haha

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 15:46 utc | 20

There's actually some academic research on civilian casualty ratio of many types conflicts including modern warfare in urban areas. You will find a lot of research papers (not going list it all here) indicating 25% is a moderate low estimate. For example NATO's own estimate with Yugoslavia their bombings achieved a civilian to combatant kill ratio of about 1:10(10%)(1). Yugoslavia estimated 25% (closer to overall research). Iraq Body Count project has 77% ratio for civilian kills for whole Iraq.

In any case, considering last decades of war far, anything between 1 and 5% would be extremely clean and precise. War is a tragedy and a mess. People have this weird concept to precision strikes on military vehicles, which is only small part of any war, especially when the war moves into urban areas. A tactic which in itself is more terrorist like than classic warfare.

Taking the numbers 1-5% into the current front involving residential areas, one should not be shocked with 100's of death in a town or 1000's even 10000's in a city if the fight there is being prolonged. It's the price defenders are paying. There's always a choice to become Masada or just live to fight another day.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio#NATO_in_Yugoslavia

Posted by: John Dowser | Apr 13 2022 15:50 utc | 21

@ John Dowser | Apr 13 2022 15:50 utc | 21 - yeah, but biden calls this ''genocide''... they guy needs to take his bullshit out to pasture somewhere, as opposed to spreading on the western msm... he is so full of shit, he should be married to a plunger..

Posted by: james | Apr 13 2022 15:56 utc | 22

"I am not for a second excusing Ukrainian war crimes, nor forgetting that Russia invaded the country," says the DIA official. "

There fixed it.

Posted by: Krypton | Apr 13 2022 16:04 utc | 23

@8
Wearing white armbands can simply mean being civilian, which is enough for Azov etc. to consider them collaborators or traitors. They said so themselves in a video where one Nazi asks his superior whether they can shoot those not wearing blue armbands. And he replied yes.
https://t.me/vityzeva/53030

Posted by: Nico | Apr 13 2022 16:06 utc | 24

On Western propaganda with regards to Ukraine LBC radio in the UK today hosted by David Lammy had a talk-in we the listeners were told that Russian troops in Ukraine were shooting themselves in the feet and legs to get out of duty, or running away from the Ukrainian forces, or getting lost and wandering all over Ukraine and that the Ukrainian forces are winning just about every encounter with Russian forces.

Two supposedly ordinary people gave their opinions on this later it was revealed one was an ex-Nato analyst the other ex-Royal Navy. At one point it became surreal as they had on a guy who pretended to cry for the babies of Ukraine.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 13 2022 16:07 utc | 25

I seriously doubt the original plan was for Russia just to distract and keep Ukrainian forces around Kiev. It was an attempt to force the Ukrainian side to surrender. They underestimated how much the US managed to change the country having nationalists as their primary tool. So it has failed its primary goal but succeeded in the secondary (distraction).
And the DIA official is right. One of the greatest dangers of the situation outside of actual action zones is the illusions which are being created. Those of Russians being irrational savages, Ukrainians as the proud and fearless fighters for democracy and the West being the voice of humanity overall. What is really scary is them talking more and more about supplying heavy weapons to Ukraine. And NATO has plenty of them to ultimately overwhelm the Russian side in conventional fight. What they don't understand in their illusory bubble is that Russia went all in, already fighting and if overwhelmed would use nukes...
Few days back an admin of a telegram channel from Kharkov said 'I despise the Russian propaganda but hate Ukrainian one'. Was it me I would add the Western one to both of the categories. In the world where we have nukes those illusion makers might prove to be more dangerous than Ukrainian Tochka-U rockets.

Posted by: AmigoS | Apr 13 2022 16:08 utc | 26

The US has committed to more than $1.7 billion in security assistance since Russia’s February 24 invasion, and $2.4 billion since the beginning of the Administration.
United States security assistance committed to Ukraine includes:
Over 1,400 Stinger anti-aircraft systems;
Over 5,000 Javelin anti-armor systems;
Over 7,000 other anti-armor systems; etc.
Fact Sheet: U.S. Security Assistance to Ukraine

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 13 2022 16:09 utc | 27

John Dowser (21).

Tell me again I must have missed it but did US politician or combatant end up in the dock at the Hague for this. The answer is no, only African warlords or Eastern European warlords end up in the Hague, no US or UK leaders such as Bush or Blair, the (ICC) is a Western tool to be used when it suits the West to do so.

The Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Commission found Bush and Blair guilty of crimes against humanity and war crimes, with regards to Iraq, the West would never reach this conclusion both war criminals are still at large.

On the deaths of 500,000 million Iraqi children.


“Lesley Stahl: We have heard that a half million children have died. I mean, that’s more children than died in Hiroshima. And, you know, is the price worth it?

"Madeleine Albright: I think this is a very hard choice, but the price – we think the price is worth it.”

Madeleine Albright (12 May 1996)

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 13 2022 16:20 utc | 28

The DIA guy didn't say anything Earth shattering because in a round about way he still suggests that Russia indiscriminately attacks and in the process kills civilians. This will probably get 10 sec. on CNN and FOX will give it 15. But for Joe and Mary zombies this will make no difference, "Russia Bad".

Here is how US operates when it was "helping" Iraqis to eliminate the group that US/Israel/GB/France (take your pick) was secretly supporting the Islamic State in their lovely Toyota Hilux trucks that made Toyota a bundle. When Toyota was asked how so many trucks got to ISIS the answer was, "We don't know.". My guess, China Joe and Cocaine Hunter.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/us-officials-isis-toyota-trucks/story?id=34266539

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/14/mosul-before-and-after-in-satellite-images/
https://theintercept.com/2018/04/22/to-defeat-isis-the-u-s-helped-turn-old-mosul-into-rubble-but-wont-help-rebuild-it/

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 13 2022 16:21 utc | 29

@Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 15:45 utc | 19


Bah, did not see you're replying to the same news, haha

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 15:46 utc | 20

Yes, you linked to news.antiwar.com for the same story
and I linked to usnews.com
which had a Reuters story found at:
https://www.reuters.com/world/pentagon-asks-top-8-us-arms-makers-meet-ukraine-sources-2022-04-12/

Reuters as you aware is a CIA mocking bird:


https://www.thomsonreuters.com/en-us/posts/authors/dawn-scalici/


Dawn Scalici joined Thomson Reuters in July 2015 to serve as the company’s first Government Global Business Director. She is charged with the responsibility of advancing Thomson Reuters’ ability to meet the disparate needs of the U.S. Government
...
Prior to joining Thomson Reuters, Ms. Scalici served 33 years with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). In her last federal assignment, she served as the National Intelligence Manager for the Western Hemisphere within the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI). In this role, she was responsible for overseeing national intelligence for an area of responsibility spanning from the Arctic to the tip of South America, including the US Homeland.

Associated article:
https://www.reuters.com/world/exclusive-pentagon-revives-team-speed-arms-ukraine-allies-sources-2022-03-11/

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Thx CIA for giving us a peek behind the Freedom Curtain.

Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 16:22 utc | 30

Since Nato wants to prevent a diplomatic solution as Borrell openly said, Russia should destroy all railroad tracks and bigger roads near the borders in order to prevent the shipment of Nato arms into the country. Bigger airports might also have to be destroyed. Telecommunications interrupted.

Posted by: Nico | Apr 13 2022 16:24 utc | 31

American military commentators do appear to be a bit more circumspect about accusing Russia of war crimes in Ukraine. They certainly do not want the war crimes committed by American troops to be sensationalized in the way the alleged Russian accusations are, and which have a lot more evidence.

Had the American war crimes perpetrated in Iraq led to the investigation, arrest, and trial of American leaders and military commanders, Ukrainians might have been spared invasion after their country was turned into a staging area for antagonizing Russia afer a US led putsch. The same could be said about Iraq's war crime victims, or Nicaragua's, had the Americans responsible for the genocidal crimes committed in Vietnam been held responsible. Ultimately, American citizens inability to condemn their leaders for unleashing the horrors of war on foreign civilians leads to escalating conflagrations, which the Libyan, Syrian, and now Ukrainian wars to achieve full spectrum dominance have accomplished. Until the US is unconditionally defeated or experiences a socialist revolution, which will not occur in Ukraine or because of it, their leaders will continue to perpetrate holocausts to achieve their goal.

Posted by: Wilikins | Apr 13 2022 16:26 utc | 32

@Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 16:22 utc | 30

Edit


Yes, you linked to news.antiwar.com for the same story
and I linked to usnews.com
which had a Reuters story found at:

Yes, you linked to news.antiwar.com for the story
which itself had linked to a usnews.com story.
Usnews.com had a story found originally
at Reuters:

Posted by: librul | Apr 13 2022 16:27 utc | 33

Time to finish off the Ukie army in the big cauldron. No holds barred. Big siege guns, grads, thermobarics, bunker busters.... let the rivers of blood fill their trench works.

Let the new Russian commander have total control, show the Nato minions what the Russian force can do.

A benefit of this, the rest of the Ukie forces will watch and see the Hell on earth coming their way next.

I really doubt seeing this will stiffen their resolve to keep on fighting.

As I wrote at the colonel's site earlier today, beat the Ukies like redheaded step children.

Posted by: morongobill | Apr 13 2022 16:27 utc | 34

That DIA shill is not "refuting" allegations of supposed Russian atrocities. He is merely moderating these allegations so as to make them less hysterical--and thus more believable.

In short, that DIA shill is pushing another type of American pysops.

Regardless, there is a bigger issue that nobody questions:

The United States of America is the world's leading war criminal nation--and thus has NO moral authority to be pointing its finger about "war crimes" against Russia or anybody else.

The fact that America thinks it has any moral authority reflects the imperialist arrogance that defines the USA at its core.

America is a sociopathic nation who suffer from a Christian fundamentalist-style delusion that they have a God-given right to sit in judgement of others because they are--like their Zionist allies--the Divinely Select, the New Jerusalem, and Shining City on a Hill. This is regardless of how many people America is slaughtering throughout the globe.

That is the United Sociopaths of America in its essence.

Posted by: ak74 | Apr 13 2022 16:29 utc | 35

Inkan969 #12

“And huge loss of Russian lives and resources to attack Kiev makes the claim that it was one big deceptive move very lacking in plausibility.”

You’re an imbecile if you think war is like 1+1=2. Far more likely is the push to Kiev had multiple contingencies. If the UAF folded, the Russian forces had the option of moving in and taking political control of Kiev. If not the Russian forces could pivot and the operation was still a successful diversion that enabled the Russian forces to execute its operational goals in Donbass.

Posted by: Krypton | Apr 13 2022 16:30 utc | 36

La Russia,in un primo scontro con usnato ha sufficenti kinzhal e iscander oltre ad altri giocattoli ipersonici per annichilire le truppe nato, le atomiche le servono come deterrente.

Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Apr 13 2022 16:31 utc | 37

Re: #6
One of the advantages that the US has in the geopolítical game is that it is isolated from the fray by two wide oceans. The masters of war enjoy a sense of immunity. It would be a shame if a couple of those hyperbaric bombs were to interupt the proceedings at their meeting - domestic terrorism of course. A little reality check!

Posted by: c | Apr 13 2022 16:35 utc | 38

Vladimir Vysotsky keep singing "Truth and Lie" in my head.

https://youtu.be/z1c6jicKlj4

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 13 2022 16:43 utc | 39

We're being played by "atrocities" and Russia's "failure to win immediately"
axios--
Russian atrocities fuel new breakthroughs in Ukraine military aid

The defeat of Russian forces near Kyiv — and the trail of atrocities they left behind — have fueled a Western willingness to provide Ukraine with military aid once thought too provocative and cumbersome for a war Russia was expected to win in weeks. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 13 2022 16:48 utc | 40

Let's assume what Putin said at the start is his goal - to wipe out Ukraine's military system, secure the Donbass, connect Crimea to Donbass with a coastal corridor, make Ukraine non Nato and neutral, and de-Nazi-fy by essentially wiping out the Azov groups. If so, then I can see a circumstance by May 9th, maybe before, when Russia can declare victory and state they are withdrawing. This does require Ukraine to agree not to join Nato, ie a Zelinskey agreement, however. Big problem. Thing is, if Russia stops with Donbass and basically leaves, what is left for Ukraine and the West then is to continue with guerilla Afghan-like (Russia in Afghanistan, not US) resistance, but this is rather hard to imagine in those areas to the east Russia has taken, despite all the blathering in the MSM that eastern Ukrainians now hate the Russians. Lancaster's videos dispute that.

So what does NATO and the US do then, if Russia declares victory and leaves? Because of course Russia will ask the sanctions be lifted. This end game, or end result - assuming this doesn;t become a full fledged world war, a huge assumption btw - would be Putin meeting his objectives as stated all along, a sort of victory although he has also strengthened NATO and expanded it to include Sweden and Finland and placed troops and systems even closer to Russia in Poland and the Baltics. Still, he could argue he did what he said. On the West? They can say we strengthened NATO and expanded it and showed how broken the Russian army was (not sure about that) and we prevented Putin from recreating the greater Soviet Union. But of course the American right wing and Republicans (one and the same) will howl that Biden lost Ukraine!!!

I still think the real play here on the part of Russia is moving away from the dollar as the petrocurrency, and the real power lies with Russia and the gas spigot to Germany and Europe. That is going to, in the end, I think,split Europe from the US.

Every time I try to think this through I end up thinking that the real agenda of the West is to prevent the Eurasian bloc from forming and to topple Putin and Russia such that Russia's energy is controlled more by the west than China, and for this reason even if Russia meets its military objectives the West won't stop coming....

Posted by: Boomheist | Apr 13 2022 16:49 utc | 41

The so-called Nazi battalions like Azov are really mercenaries developed and trained by Zionists in US and Israel since 2014 Maidan color revolution. Between the WW2 era and the Maidan coup there was not really any significant Nazi activity in Ukraine, at least so far as violent activity is concerned. This demonstrates that there is not really a home grown antagonism for Russia. This is what is called Astro turf.
The idea of a “ big Israel” as Zelensky mentioned is more significant to the situation than many commentators are factoring. It may be a secondary goal after creating a quagmire for Russia but a goal nonetheless. The strategy of big Israel is ethnic cleansing of at least part of Ukraine of both Russians and Ukrainians. It is desired to create the living space for an Israel 2.0. It is therefore logical to blame Zionists and their mercenaries for the war and the war crimes, not a large scale Nazification of the Slav Ukrainian population.

Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 13 2022 16:53 utc | 42

A good article on war crimes.


"Instead of investigating, the U.S. has actively covered up its war crimes. A tragic example is the 2019 massacre in the Syrian town of Baghuz, where a special U.S. military operations unit dropped massive bombs on a group of mainly women and children, killing about 70. The military not only failed to acknowledge the botched attack but even bulldozed the blast site to cover it up. Only after a New York Times exposé years later did the military even admit that the strike took place.

So it is ironic to hear President Joe Biden call for President Vladimir Putin to face a war crimes trial, when the United States covers up its own crimes, fails to hold its own senior officials accountable for war crimes and still rejects the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court (ICC). In 2020, former President Donald Trump went so far as to impose U.S. sanctions on the most senior ICC prosecutors for investigating U.S. war crimes in Afghanistan."


https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/12/killing-civilians-from-mosul-to-raqqa-to-mariupol/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 13 2022 16:57 utc | 43

looks like twitter has suspended Pepe Escobar's account, surprised it took so long, but I guess now that Mariupol has been liberated from the Nazis and more information is being revealed about US control of Ukraine's military Twitter is proactively blocking accounts that might share this vital information

Posted by: Kadath | Apr 13 2022 16:59 utc | 44

It seems to me that both sides in this conflict, the government of Ukraine and its western supporters on one side and Russia on the other, conduct war operations with one single thought - the future Ukraine. Neither side seems in any doubt that Russia will eventually prevail and will be faced with the task of determining the future of Ukraine.

The West is threatening new Afghanistan, with endless guerrilla warfare, but to achieve that, they are fully aware, they need population of Ukraine thoroughly radicalized and cleansed of all pro-Russian tendencies. That is a difficult task, hence all the accusations about Russian “atrocities” and endless false flag operations to convince the local population that Russia is their mortal enemy. The goal is to prevent any future state of Ukraine, in whatever shape or form, to become a friendly neighbor of Russia.

Russia, on the other hand, has the opposite plan, to demilitarize and denazify the country so that it can have a friendly neighbor. It is a fight, to use a tired expression, for hearts and minds of the local population. This is what determines Russian tactics, scrupulous attention to minimize civilian casualties, humanitarian deliveries and promises of leniency to soldiers who surrender.

Posted by: Pagan | Apr 13 2022 16:59 utc | 45

I think Russia should conquer and keep the eastern half of Ukraine, east of the river. Basically a split like Pakistan from India.

This way the Russians can permanently deploy their military there and make sure the buffer zone remains and there is no genocide on and oppression of citizens.

Of course few countries will recognize that, but who cares. Russia has broken with the West, anyway, and Turkey has occupied half of Cyprus for decades now. Israel has stolen land from its neighbors and nobody seems to mind. The West is supporting separatists in Taiwan and nobody seems to mind.

This whole conflict can only be the first step, the goal must be to topple the US and prune the West's influence down to its share of only 12% of the world population. Bring about a multipolar world in the true sense of the word. Where much of the world is openly anti-Western and jointly strikes back at whoever asks for it.

Posted by: Nico | Apr 13 2022 17:01 utc | 46

The central point about Bucha is that blame was affixed and a scenario of indiscriminate killing proposed entirely in the absence of any forensic investigation. The deceased, for example, had not even been identified, let alone cause and time of death established. In other words, there was no factual basis for any of the accusations and formal requests for Independent investigation were stymied (at the UN for example). The main accuser (Ukraine) is handling whatever investigation will be done, now that the corpses are no longer needed for ghastly photo ops. In this context, the sound and fury expended over this incident has no content other than emotional appeals over the fighting in general. This should be obvious to all reasonably educated adults, but its not.

Posted by: jayc | Apr 13 2022 17:05 utc | 47

A brief bit on the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) and how it fits in to the overall U.S. Intelligence Community.

From IC Members:

The U.S. Intelligence Community is composed of the following 18 organizations:

Two independent agencies—the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA);

Nine Department of Defense elements—the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), the National Security Agency (NSA), the National Geospatial- Intelligence Agency (NGA), the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), and intelligence elements of the five DoD services; the Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Space Force.

Seven elements of other departments and agencies—the Department of Energy’s Office of Intelligence and Counter-Intelligence; the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis and U.S. Coast Guard Intelligence; the Department of Justice’s Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Drug Enforcement Agency’s Office of National Security Intelligence; the Department of State’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research; and the Department of the Treasury’s Office of Intelligence and Analysis

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 13 2022 17:08 utc | 48

"As a result of successful offensive operations by the Russian forces and militia units of the Donetsk People’s Republic, 1,026 Ukrainian troops of the 36th marine infantry brigade voluntarily laid down their arms and surrendered in the area of the Ilyicha metals factory in the city of Mariupol. Among those who surrendered, there are 162 officers and also 47 female service members," the spokesman said. TASS 13 APR, 04:06

Today Dmitry Peskov went on and on in defense of Viktor Medvedchuk, Leader of one of Ukraine's opposition parties, recently arrested. In essence he was making a case of politically-motivated charges trumped up by Ukrainian authorities.

I imagine charges of treason and alleged embezzlement of state funds carry a lengthy prison term in Ukraine. Zelensky offered to exchange Medvedchuk for Ukrainian troops captured by Russians mentioning Ukrainian male and female prisoners.

I suppose Russia could exchange the female prisoners for Viktor Medvedchuk, however, technically he's Ukrainian, and that might be like an admission that he was and is a Russian asset. Although, Peskov tried to make a case for why he was not covertly involved with Russia. So if an exchange took place; where would he reside? I doubt Zelensky wants him residing in Ukraine. Should he risk defending himself in Court in this climate of aggravated hostility when impartiality is non-existent? If Russia takes over the East, then I suppose he can acquire Russian citizenship, return to politics and run in that region for some other office, since Putin is and will be President of all Russian territory. However, he would then automatically lose his Ukrainian citizenship.

It's complicated, but no doubt it's being sorted out at the highest levels in Russia.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 13 2022 17:13 utc | 49

https://t.me/c/1262772134/10500

Diego Novalis, [13/04/2022 11:04]

[Forwarded from Eurasia & Multipolarity]

https://t.me/russtrat/13529

The pioneers of a systematic approach to military propaganda were the British

The bloody staging in Bucha, the terrorist shelling of Kramatorsk attributed to Russia, the anti-Russian bacchanalia in the Western media and social networks... Today, Russia is once again being portrayed as universal evil. And who is the soloist in the current propaganda campaign? All the same.

The pioneers of a systematic approach to military propaganda were the British. They "trained" well during the Anglo-Boer War at the end of the previous century, in which the sympathies of many countries were on the side of the Boers - the first European settlers in Africa. The British press then made up hundreds of stories about their atrocities. And the “attack” on the Red Cross tents with the wounded was even filmed. Later it turned out that it was a staging with the participation of the actor Hampstead Heath.

At the same time, the concept was born, which was later called "atrocity propaganda."

This "atrocity propaganda" flourished most luxuriantly during the First World War. In Great Britain, the ideological leader of this kind of propaganda was one of the founders of the English press, the "noble" Lord Northcliffe. He brought together the various propaganda organs that had hitherto existed independently and turned them into one of the most important instruments of war. Lloyd George wrote to him after the peace was signed:

"I have a lot of direct evidence of the success of your invaluable work, which contributed a lot to the defeat of the enemy."

One of the most successful campaigns of English propagandists was the so-called Liege Tragedy. “Eyewitnesses” told the press about the brutality of the Germans they allegedly saw, how the hands of children were cut off, how German officers and soldiers raped 20 Belgian girls in the Liège market square, how German soldiers stabbed a two-year-old child with bayonets and cut off the breasts of a peasant girl in Maine how they tortured Catholic priests by hanging them from bells, how they mocked nuns.

A committee of jurists and historians, headed by Lord Bruce, the former British ambassador to the United States, even drew up a report stating that "murder, lust and plunder reigned in many parts of Belgium on a scale incomparable to any other wars between civilized nations throughout the last three centuries."

At the same time, an abomination was thrown into the press that the Germans allegedly processed the corpses of soldiers, their own and others, into stearin and pig feed. Only after the end of the war did the truth surface - a special commission did not confirm a single case of atrocity cited in the report.

The Germans, in turn, also did not shun what is now called "fakes". The "horror propaganda" of the Russian invasion of East Prussia continued in the German press until the very end of the war. The topics are exactly the same - Russian soldiers rape German women, kill children, rob the population.

Stories of atrocities made it possible to present a war against such an adversary as righteous, as upholding the "values of civilization" in the face of barbarism. Isn't that what we see now if we read the Western and Ukrainian media and social networks?

More about this in the publication of the RUSSTRAT Institute “Blood Lies – the Birthmarks of Western Civilization”

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 17:20 utc | 50

1,000 Ukrainians were captured today in Ukraine.


Watch Russians interrogate Ukrainians who surrendered if Chemical weapons were in Bucha.

VIDEO

https://youtu.be/lxwi04iAi14

Posted by: Dave Smith | Apr 13 2022 17:26 utc | 51

Posted by: Circe | Apr 13 2022 17:13 utc | 49

In one of his daily walks from today in Nicosia, Cyprus, Alex Christoforou mentioned that Elensky specifically expanded the proposal for exchanging Medvedchuk to all PoW that the Russians have and not just of Ukranian citizenship; clip is on utube. This is the final move to save the X-factor person(s) (which may or may include gen. Cloutier), potentially.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 17:27 utc | 52

From Intel Slava channel:

If strikes on the territory of the Russian Federation continue, the Russian Armed Forces will strike at decision-making centers, including in Kyiv - Russian Defense Ministry

First time I'm hearing about strikes inside the RF

Posted by: rrramirezzz | Apr 13 2022 17:32 utc | 53

Except he doesn’t refute the idea that Russian troops committed war crimes in Bucha. All he is saying is it was not genocide, no deliberate program of murder.

Posted by: Freddie Flintstone | Apr 13 2022 15:09 utc | 2

That's what hedging is all about - after all he is a bankster.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 13 2022 17:32 utc | 54

I was referring to the french stooge - not the US version

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 13 2022 17:36 utc | 55

ramirez@ 53

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7qgRqYtuHC8

It is not the first time. They are pushing hard for a wider conflict.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 13 2022 17:38 utc | 56

EuroUkraine regime abruptly closes Irpen' town

telegra.ph/CHto-sluchitsya-i-chto-sluchilos-v-Irpene-my-znaem-chto-vy-pryachete-04-12

Optimistic option: to wipe out evidence of their war crimes.
Pessimistic option: that and also stage Bucha Hoax 2.0: repaint their crimes victims into Russia's victims.

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 13 2022 17:47 utc | 57

EuroUkraine regime abruptly closes Irpen' town

telegra .ph/CHto-sluchitsya-i-chto-sluchilos-v-Irpene-my-znaem-chto-vy-pryachete-04-12

Optimistic option: to wipe out evidence of their war crimes.
Pessimistic option: that and also stage Bucha Hoax 2.0: repaint their crimes victims into Russia's victims.

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 13 2022 17:48 utc | 58

finland finds out in a few weeks if it gets invaded next. joining nato would be the exact same direct threat putin has warned about. never underestimate the empire to spread the chaos wherever needed, wont be hard to ship a few isis up there they will blend in already. anyway seems empire wants europe to burn. im actually suprised poland hasnt recieved mr hypersonic visits to staging areas of antique museum weapons and other assorted reddit warriors yet. i dont see how it will remain trouble free for very long. these are serious provocations behind article 5 skirts. can only wait to see in a few weeks what will be next.

Posted by: pablozz | Apr 13 2022 17:48 utc | 59

> 320 of 37,000 is not .01 percent.

Well, B, you are wrong here.
In America it is. Imperial system of measures takes no prisoners.

If you want another example of it, plus some laugh and a load of despair about humankind, - google for "Verizone Math"

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 13 2022 17:53 utc | 60

In the briefing of the Ministry of Defense of Russia tonight :
"We see attempts of sabotage and strikes by Ukrainian troops on objects on the territory of the Russian Federation.
If such incidents continue, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will strike at decision-making centers, including in Kyiv, from which the Russian army has so far refrained."

Whole briefing:

13.04.2022 (20:00)
Briefing of the Ministry of Defense of Russia


The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue to conduct a special military operation in Ukraine.

In the city of Mariupol, the commercial seaport was completely liberated from the militants of the Nazi formation "Azov".

All hostages held by the Nazis on ships in the port, including foreign ones, have been released.

The remnants of the units of the Ukrainian troops and the Nazis "Azov" located in the city are blocked and deprived of the opportunity to escape from the encirclement.

During the day, 36 enemy targets were destroyed by high-precision weapons. Among them:

in the settlements of Vrubovka and Berestovoe, two repair bases and two depots of rocket and artillery weapons of the 57th and 24th mechanized brigades of the Ukrainian troops;

in the areas of Popasnaya and Barvenkovo, five strongholds of units of the 24th separate mechanized brigade;

in the village of Cherkasy, the command post of the 15th separate regiment of the National Guard of Ukraine.

The headquarters and fuel depot of the 128th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade in the Gulyai-Pole area were also destroyed.

Operational-tactical aviation hit 10 military facilities of Ukraine. Among them: a command post, three depots of rocket and artillery weapons, as well as 6 areas of concentration of Ukrainian military equipment.

In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, the following have been destroyed: 130 aircraft, 103 helicopters, 244 anti-aircraft missile systems, 447 unmanned aerial vehicles, 2173 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 243 multiple rocket launchers, 937 field artillery guns and mortars, as well as 2082 units of special military vehicles.

We see attempts of sabotage and strikes by Ukrainian troops on objects on the territory of the Russian Federation.

If such incidents continue, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will strike at decision-making centers, including in Kyiv, from which the Russian army has so far refrained.


Posted by: ka | Apr 13 2022 17:54 utc | 61

Sorry, hit 'post' too soon.

The significance of the IC structure above is to show which intelligence agency serves as a politically-driven echo chamber of superficial analysis (if it can even be called that) for different branches of the U.S. government and military. The DIA feeds the Pentagon and DoD the lies it wants to hear. Not just my opinion - plenty of former DIA staff describing the gutting of their organization and infusion of 'proper-thinking' hack analysts. Useless neo-DIA analysts provided whatever slop the Pentagon needed to justify a continued war in Afghanistan "...if only we had more troops/kill toys/bribe money". Anyone in the DIA that noted increasing support for the Taliban vs. growing hatred for U.S./NATO occupiers was marginalized or dismissed. Your intelligence had to fit what the DoD and Pentagon wanted to hear.

Regarding Ukraine: The Pentagon and DoD want to hear how Ukraine separatists/Russian meddlers can be crushed if only US/NATO can supply and train an extraordinarily expanded and more effective Ukrainian Army. Because the Ukraine government is too corrupt and useless to ever do that itself. That post-Maidan military expansion necessarily meant absorbing various privately-funded neo-Nazi militias into the National Guard and raising a huge professional merc army/air force/navy via the Ukraine Foreign Legion. The end goal was a huge, well-equipped (to NATO standards) permanent anti-Russian/anti-Separatist Ukrainian Army beholden to the US/NATO. You know... Western Democracy.

What the Pentagon and DoD does not want to hear from the DIA is anything supporting direct action between U.S./NATO troops and Russia. Even the Pentagon hawks know that would be a disaster (for all kinds of reasons) and probably destroy the weak NATO alliance. Plus the fact that the Pentagon has no real defense against Russian ICBMs (except useless retaliatory strikes), so better not have U.S./NATO shooting at Russian soldiers in East Ukraine at all. I'm sure the DIA has some dusty, useless NATO vs. Russia in Ukraine analysis on a shelf somewhere, but the boss isn't interested. Except for its use to to bully European NATO members to divert *more* of their nation's budget into NATO-flavored defense.

The US Military Industrial Complex is joined at the hip with our Pentagon. They, too, prefer a massive and continual arms infusion into Ukraine vs. starting WWIII. Think of the profit! Besides, WWIII might not turn out as they hope. Plus, the MIC can coat-tail off the current Russia hysteria for years by pressing NATO members to spend more on more sophisticated (and profitable) weapons systems to defend themselves.

No doubt the CIA and State Department Intelligence services are telling their customers their own spin on what they want to hear about Ukraine. Anti-Russian, but with whatever special twists they need to advance neocon policymaking in the U.S. "The will of the People" in the U.S. is irrelevant aside from needing to be actively managed via propaganda. The people's 'intelligence agency' is effectively CNN, Facebook and the Washington Post.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 13 2022 17:57 utc | 62

Aaron Mate has a "must see" interview of a (recently) former NATO advisor, a Swiss guy, who talks about Bucha and the train station missile strike at the very end of the 40 minute piece. The whole thing is worth watching.
Bottom line... his perspective and comments support Russia. Leaves me scratching my head as to how a guy can talk straight and be a part of NATO. I was born and raised Catholic so I'm calling it a mystery.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4zReg7Bhu8

Posted by: migueljose | Apr 13 2022 18:00 utc | 63

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 13 2022 16:21 utc | 29

About Mosul (Nineveh)

"The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and now something greater than Jonah is here."

Matt. 12:41, Luke 11:42

We might have gone full circle.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 13 2022 18:03 utc | 64

Thanks b for the shining light.

in tandem Catlin Johnstone...cites the NBC article

US Officials Admit They’re Literally Just Lying To The Public About Russia
LINK

NBC News has a new report out citing multiple anonymous US officials, humorously titled “In a break with the past, U.S. is using intel to fight an info war with Russia, even when the intel isn’t rock solid“.

The officials say the Biden administration has been rapidly pushing out “intelligence” about Russia’s plans in Ukraine that is “low-confidence” or “based more on analysis than hard evidence”, or even just plain false, in order to fight an information war against Putin.

The report says that toward this end the US government has deliberately circulated false or poorly evidenced claims about impending chemical weapons attacks, about Russian plans to orchestrate a false flag attack in the Donbass to justify an invasion, about Putin’s advisors misinforming him, and about Russia seeking arms supplies from China[.]

[Twiiter embed link]: Psyops in the U.S. targeting the public used to be illegal, even though the way they got around it was to plant stories in the foreign press. But over the last five years begining with Russiagate & now Ukraine, it is clear that the U.S. public is fair game:[.]

It was an attention-grabbing assertion that made headlines around the world: U.S. officials said they had indications suggesting Russia might be preparing to use chemical agents in Ukraine.

President Joe Biden later said it publicly. But three U.S. officials told NBC News this week there is no evidence Russia has brought any chemical weapons near Ukraine. They said the U.S. released the information to deter Russia from using the banned munitions.

It’s one of a string of examples of the Biden administration’s breaking with recent precedent by deploying declassified intelligence as part of an information war against Russia. The administration has done so even when the intelligence wasn’t rock solid, officials said, to keep Russian President Vladimir Putin off balance.

So they lied. They may hold that they lied for a noble reason, but they lied. They knowingly circulated information they had no reason to believe was true, and that lie was amplified by all the most influential media outlets in the western world.[.]
(emphasis added)

" But three U.S. officials told NBC News this week there is no evidence Russia has brought any chemical weapons near Ukraine.
They said the U.S. released the information to deter Russia from using the banned munitions."

Yes banned chemical weapons in Russia that the OPCW certified destroyed.

It's known as fighting the war for and on behalf of the UkieNazis.

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 13 2022 18:07 utc | 65

@58
No, totally different situation. Finland, Sweden etc. are not infested with Nazis, nor is there a genocide on a Russian minority in that country. The Scandinavians would not be so stupid as to start a war with Russia, neither alone, nor as part of Nato.

The Baltic countries are not much farther from Moscow than Ukraine. Yet the Baltic countries' Nato membership is not really a problem for or threat to Russia.
I have to say, though, that Lithuania is one of Europe's biggest scumbags in many ways.

Posted by: Nico | Apr 13 2022 18:10 utc | 66

Today Alexander Mercouris stated that he thinks that President Biden is obsessed about Ukraine to the exclusion of the rest of his duties. There must be a huge amount of shit in Ukraine on the Biden crime family plus the Deep State shenanigans to be driving the whole state department insane. Excellent I say, as this will hopefully degrade the US responses and actions in the rest of the world. Then the Democrat wipeout in November and the Republican reprisals will begin - soaking up a huge amount of US political and media space.

Looking forward to the French second-round election in a week and a half, Le Pen is keeping to her "pulling out of the NATO command structure" (but staying in NATO is De Gaulle did) in her campaign speeches. I really wonder if she will have an "accident", thankfully France has paper ballots so much harder to "fix" the election than in some other nations. The "she's a Putin lover" crap has already started in a desperate attempt to stop her. Best thing Putin could do is to have great military successes in the next 10 days and find those French troops in Mariupol and parade them just before the French elections. Then onto the Colombian election next month.

This war will grind on during the summer (phase 3?), and the Western elites will become increasingly desperate. Any breach in the sanctions wall may rapidly become an avalanche.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 13 2022 18:10 utc | 67

an abomination was thrown into the press that the Germans allegedly processed the corpses of soldiers, their own and others, into stearin

That must have inspired the WW2 lie about the Germans making human bodies into soap and lampshades.

Posted by: lies | Apr 13 2022 18:13 utc | 68

Every time I try to think this through I end up thinking that the real agenda of the West is to prevent the Eurasian bloc from forming and to topple Putin and Russia such that Russia's energy is controlled more by the west than China, and for this reason even if Russia meets its military objectives the West won't stop coming....

Posted by: Boomheist | Apr 13 2022 16:49 utc | 41

Hasn't that always been the Anglo-american nightmare?

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 13 2022 18:16 utc | 69

Summary for the day from Boris Rozhin. Not just him, but other telegramniks as well are getting weary of the supply of heavy weapons form UKUS and the increase in the nuclear war threat.

https://t.me/colonel_cassad/101939


Briefly about Ukraine.

1. Western sources state that the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are completing preparations for the start of an offensive operation in the coming days. They assume a period of 3 to 10 days before the start of the operation. Day X, of course, is kept secret, although the preparation for it is not particularly hidden, especially since Shoigu has long indicated the directions where events will take place.
2. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation openly threatened today that if attempts to attack the territory of the Russian Federation continue, strikes will be inflicted on decision-making centers, including in Kiev. It's high time to take care of the government quarter in Kiev. "Dagger" on the Verkhovna Rada on the day of the beginning of the offensive, it will be beautiful.
3. The remnants of the AFU after yesterday's surrender of the main forces of the 36th obrmp fled to Azovstal from where they write vlogs and call those who surrendered "deserters" who cannot be considered heroes. Today, the cleaning of the Ilyich plant is underway, and Azovmash will be there soon.
4. The seaport of Mariupol has been completely liberated. All hostages, including all foreigners, have been released. The remnants of the enemy forces are defending themselves in the Primorsky district in a residential building. Some fled to Azovstal. The port itself has yet to be cleared. The coastal structures have mostly been preserved, which is good for the development of the DPR.
5. It is expected to intensify the supply of foreign weapons to Ukraine, including tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and artillery. Next, rockets and raising rates up to the remake of the Caribbean crisis. The threat of nuclear war will continue to grow.
6. Le Pen confirmed that she considers Crimea to be Russian and wants to withdraw France from NATO command structures. With such cases, of course, she will not be allowed to win - for NATO it will be the finish line.
7. German business is simply howling from calls to abandon Russian gas. According to the "fat cats", Germany will lose up to $ 250 billion and slide into recession. But of course Germany must pay for the support of Nazism and Russophobia. At the moment, a bloc has formed from Hungary, Germany and Austria, which is slowing down the rejection of Russian gas and oil. Russia is holding its trump card for cutting off gas to Europe (which will deal a terrible blow to Germany, ending its claims to economic dominance in Europe).
8. The Kremlin and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation made it clear today that no one is going to change Medvedchuk for military prisoners of war. The attempt to cover up the failure in Mariupol with a Bear failed. Relatives of prisoners record hysterical videos with calls to save prisoners and those surrounded. Medvedchuk's wife asks "friend Recep" to save her husband. Ironically, Medvedchuk is still a people's deputy who has not been convicted. The rule of law as it is.

Full-fledged reviews of the directions will return after the resumption of intensive offensive operations. I think it will be soon.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 18:20 utc | 70

Update 13/4/22

🇷🇺🇺🇦Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

▫️The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

❗️A commercial seaport in Mariupol city has been completely liberated from Nazi Azov fighters.

▫️All hostages held by the Nazis on the ships in the port, including foreigners, have been released.

▫️The remnants of the Ukrainian and Azov Nazi units in the city have been blockaded and deprived of the opportunity to break out of their encirclement.

💥During the day, high-precision weapons destroyed 36 enemy assets. Among them: 2 repair bases and 2 missile-artillery weapon depots of the 57th and 24th mechanized brigades of the Ukrainian Troops in Vrubovka and Berestovoe; 5 strong points of units of the 24th Separate Mechanized Brigade in Popasnaya and Barvenkovo; 1 command post of the 15th Separate Regiment of the Ukrainian National Guard in Cherkasskoe.

💥The HQ and fuel storage facility of the 128th Separate Mountain Assault Brigade near Gulyai Pole have also been destroyed.

✈️💥Operational-tactical and army aviation hit 10 military assets of Ukraine. Among them: 1 command post, 3 missile and artillery weapons depots, and 6 areas of concentration of Ukrainian weapons and military equipment.

📊In total, 130 aircraft and 103 helicopters, 244 anti-aircraft missile systems S-300, Buk-M1, Osa AKM, 447 unmanned aerial vehicles, 2,173 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 243 multiple launch rocket systems, 937 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,082 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

▫️We see attempts of sabotage and strikes by Ukrainian forces against facilities on Russian Federation territory.

❗️If such cases continue, the Russian Armed Forces will strike at decision-making centres, including in Kiev, from which the Russian army has so far refrained.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 18:20 utc | 71

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/12/killing-civilians-from-mosul-to-raqqa-to-mariupol/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 13 2022 16:57 utc | 43
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Great article, thanks. A bright spotlight on US hypocrisy. The documented contrasts of Russia's SMO to US crimes of indiscriminate civilian murder and deliberate destruction of civilian infrastructure in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen couldn't be more stark. Breathtaking hypocrisy.

"[Putative] President Joe Biden call[s] for President Vladimir Putin to face a war crimes trial" ... even as he continues the agonizing crucifixion of journalist Julian Assange for daring to document with graphic proof the US' own blatant war crimes.

Wikileaks: "Collateral" Murder video

https://youtu.be/5rXPrfnU3G0

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 13 2022 18:20 utc | 72

Pepe Escobar's latest:

Wake up Europe! The Gringos are trashing the EU!

https://www.strategic-culture.org/

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 18:23 utc | 73

Denazification surely means that Russia would have to topple the Ukrainian government, which is infested with far-right leaders, and impose a less extreme leadership?

Posted by: D J G | Apr 13 2022 18:29 utc | 74

@Posted by: Nico | Apr 13 2022 18:10 utc | 65

The Lithuanian general population started murdering the Jews in that country (200,000) even before the German's got there and greatly aided the Germans in the liquidation of 90-95% of those Jews.

"And the question is, 'Why were the numbers so high?' And here we come to a subject that is very, very delicate and difficult," says Zuroff. "One of the main reasons so many Jews were killed here is because of the help of the local population -- of the Lithuanians."
The pace of the mass murder of Lithuania's Jews -- and the active participation of the local population -- are meticulously recorded in two of the most infamous documents of Holocaust history."

"It will be impossible for Lithuania to come to terms with its history ... until the country's elite admits that the provisional government of Lithuania in 1941 collaborated with the Nazis and acted against Lithuanian citizens. Unfortunately, the provisional government ... is praised up to the skies in Lithuania."

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/06/03/lithuania.nazi.prosecutions/index.html

The CNN article that the above quotes are taken from still repeats the bullshit that the Lithuanians were responding to the "brutality" of the Soviet occupation, which was mostly focused on the elites of a right-wing dictatorship. Reminds me of Poland where the elites have rewritten history to say that "Poland" was subjugated by the Soviets rather than the right-wing oligarchic elites of the pre-war dictatorship. At no time have the Lithuanian elites fessed up to the widespread collaboration of Lithuanians in the mass-murder of the Jewish population. Israel having diplomatic relations with this anti-semitic shit hole (and Banderist Ukraine) underlines its hypocrisy.

The video below is an excellent interview with a Lithuanian activist who is trying to get the Lithuanian Nazis and Jew murderers prosecuted, and also stop the building of a conference centre on one of the mass-burial grounds of the murdered Jews. He is described as "the most hated Jew in Lithuania" for having the gall to point out their real history. Lithuania still has yearly neo-nazi marches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns552rJpV7o

Posted by: Roger | Apr 13 2022 18:31 utc | 75

And yet even among my intelligent colleagues at a major Australian university the initial accusations took hold and have been parroted ever since. What chance does truth stand against belief? If the Russians didn't massacre civilians at Bucha doesn't make them any less the kind of ogres who would in the minds of the uncritical. And it is astonishing how many of these there are among people I once admired. People who accuse Heidegger of being a Nazi, for example: can they not see how their own complicity takes place and unfolds?

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 13 2022 18:33 utc | 76

Posted by: D J G | Apr 13 2022 18:29 utc | 73

It looks like it's coming to that, Cassad's comment:

2. The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation openly threatened today that if attempts to attack the territory of the Russian Federation continue, strikes will be inflicted on decision-making centers, including in Kiev. It's high time to take care of the government quarter in Kiev. "Dagger" on the Verkhovna Rada on the day of the beginning of the offensive, it will be beautiful.

But not for those on the receiving end.

Posted by: Barofsky | Apr 13 2022 18:33 utc | 77

@Freddie Flintstone, #2:

I note that, in your post, you didn't say that you didn't screw a dog last night. By your line of reasoning it is thus concluded that you screwed your dog last night.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 13 2022 18:34 utc | 78

@Kadath | 44
"looks like twitter has suspended Pepe Escobar's account, surprised it took so long ... Twitter is proactively blocking accounts that might share this vital information"
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Twitter has now cancelled Scott Ritter's account, while at the same time protecting the account of an imposter, "NewScottRitter", even though Ritter submitted proof of fraud. This implicates Twitter as an accomplice in, or more likely an active perpetrator of said fraud. The CIA/Mossad is thus revealing its desperation. Almost wish I had a Twatter account to immediately cancel.

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/13/scott-ritter-twitter-wars-my-personal-experience-in-twitters-ongoing-assault-on-free-speech/

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 13 2022 18:39 utc | 79

These threads are increasingly long-winded with military-strategic demands on Russian forces as if they are running a Q&A session. Frankly Russia is pursuing its strategic goals and Dvornikov is now in place to coordinate the forces. Only in The West do governments require popular talkshow inputs to help guide strategy as was the case in Vietnam and Afghanistan and Libya and Serbia and Syria and Yemen - here the public demanded the actions that took place and murder of Soleimani and Clinton and Obama and Trump carried out their wishes just as LBJ looked at opinion polls before escalation in Vietnam.

US and UK have accelerated their own demise - either they will take down Western Europe with them - or leave a Continent in Chaos for the next 50 years with collapsing societies.

How Poland can strut around with a GDP of barely $650 bn and dependent on EU Cohesion and Regional Funding equivalent to the entirety of UK's previous NET Contribution to EU of >€12bn each year is hard to fathom. Without 5% Polish population living in UK and huge transfers from Brussels Poland would be on the skids.

If Ukraine gets EU funds Poland will get much much less.

Kaczynski is a seriously dangerous liability for Poland - 72 years old, unmarried and lived with his mother and had no bank account or computer..........his visceral hatred of Russia makes him potentially as dangerous for Poland as the nutcases in Ukraine. US and UK will use Poland and it will destroy itself once again

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 13 2022 18:43 utc | 80

İt appears more clearly everyday that the Ukraine leadership is not only corrupted but also cheaters and sadistic.
Zelinski must be under heavy drugs to still believe he will win over Russia. He is encouraged in this delusion by European leaders motivated by their guilt to have thrown so many innocents to death because they thought they could humiliated Russia with no consequences. They are the on
es who will be humiliated and i doubt any if these leaders will still be in charge in a year from now.
Biden will end up in a alzheimer care house and the USA will be ruled by mrs Harris, a brilliant politician who knows how to laughs hysterically at refugees and dead civilians
The dark comedy of the US establishment is coming to a climax of absurdity and ridicule

Posted by: Virgile | Apr 13 2022 18:47 utc | 81

fyi
upping the ante a bit, eh.

https://t.me/intelslava/25132
Intel Slava Z

🇷🇺🇺🇦⚡If strikes on the territory of the Russian Federation continue, the Russian Armed Forces will strike at decision-making centers, including in Kyiv - Russian Defense Ministry

50.0K views Apr 13 at 11:56

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 13 2022 18:50 utc | 82

Marine Le Pen's policies

- Lower VAT on fuel and energy from 20% to 5.5%. Income tax for under-30s scrapped as well as the TV licence fee, while highways would be renationalised
- Ban the Muslim headscarf from public spaces, hold a referendum on immigration to prioritise native French people for jobs, housing and healthcare
- Dropped previous promises to leave the EU and euro, but wants to cut EU budget contributions. Wants French law to take primacy over EU law
- Drop the pension age to 60 for those who started work before the age of 20
- Condemned Russia but wants to maintain an alliance on 'certain substantive issues'. Pull out of NATO's integrated command structure

Would suck with respect to climate change, but would probably get her elected in most nations (including my own Canada) if she did not have the National Front moniker. The polls show here leading in every demographic but the 60+ boomers (that will include very soon!) who are significantly disconnected from the struggles of the young and middle-aged due to neoliberalism.

Macron's policies:

- Remove all tax on inheritance valued less than €150,000, abolish TV licence fee (ah, benefits old people and the rich!)
- Reform the asylum system to make it more efficient, long-stay permit is only given to people who pass a French language exam and are professionally successful (i.e. keep the gates open, the old and rich need their cheap maids and factory workers)
- Strengthen the EU and its armies, increase the continent's energy autonomy, fill the gap left by Angela Merkel as de facto EU leader (Macron really does fancy himself as a world leader!)
- Raise the pension age from 62 to 65 to keep the pension system afloat. Minimum pensions would be raised to €1,100 a month (his voting core demographic would hardly be affected by this, probably some "grandfathering" in there so that no 60+s get affected)
- Took a leading role in negotiations with Vladimir Putin (Putin won't even take his calls anymore)

No wonder Le Pen has a lead in every demographic segment that actually has to struggle to work for a living. The neoliberal segment is literally dying off, this may be the last stand for the neoliberals and globalists.

"Speaking to her own supporters in the French capital on Sunday night, she portrayed the incumbent president as a globalist puppet who could not be trusted."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10710805/Nicolas-Sarkozy-backs-Emmanuel-Macron-Marine-Le-Pen-French-election.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/12/french-elections-macron-and-le-pen-need-to-win-over-younger-voters.html

Posted by: Roger | Apr 13 2022 18:54 utc | 83

Barflies here are still opining on when the war is going to wind down. Most barflies here are also of the opinion that the war is instigated and directed by the USA. Therefore, as long as the USA is not incurring any of the horrid side of war while actually financially benefitting from it, this war will drag on. The warmonger will use propaganda, lies, false flags, and what have you to perpetuate and laugh all the way to the bank. Meanwhile, let the Ukrainian hold on to the notion that this a price to pay to finally integrate into the prosperity of EU/NATO, the EU people to hold on to the notion that this to pay loyalty to Uncle Sam for WW2 aftermath as well as for future living standards comparable to what is presently in the US. Every player in this war is living in their own world of the 'whys' and 'needs' for this war, with Uncle Sam the only one grinning and truly enjoying it.

The war will end in a week if what is happening in Mariupol happens in the Northeaster patch of localities from Washington DC to Boston. Who is capable to bring on such a reality would the hero to end this atrocity?

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 13 2022 18:56 utc | 84

Personally for me, as a tax-payer in EU/Europe the money spent on OSCE (org. for sec. coop in Eurp) is absolute disgrace if they're going to whitewash and disregard the Ukro-crimes and pretty much blame everything on Russia. This is the summary of the OSCE summary of the conflict so far starting from 24th of feb, just posted on rybar's channel, https://t.me/rybar/31126:


🇪🇺🇺🇦 We have at our disposal the OSCE Report on the violation of humanitarian law in Ukraine since February 24, 2022

It makes no sense to analyze in detail the entire 110-page material, which is almost entirely traditionally reduced to accusations of Russia. However , we will highlight a few particularly noteworthy points:

The authors of the report refer exclusively to Ukrainian officials and Western sources. In such conditions, there can be no question of even a claim to objectivity.

According to the document, the mission staff found "clear signs of violations" of international humanitarian law by Russia. But when reading the text, it seems that the OSCE did not actually conduct any detailed investigations of its own. In particular, when covering the events in Bucha, the authors refer only to the publications of The Guardian, Santa Monica Observer and the Ukrainian media.

The compilers of the material only briefly talk about the crimes of the Ukrainian troops, openly justifying the APU. For example, in the report there is one mention of the executions of Russian prisoners in Malaya Rogan (https://t.me/rybar/30016 ), however, it is immediately noted that the authenticity of the video has not yet been "independently confirmed". On the execution of servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation near Kiev (https://t.me/rybar/30624 ) there is not a word in the report about Georgian mercenaries.

A similar engagement of the OSCE can be traced in the sections about the shelling of civilian objects. In the text, you can regularly find references to the shelling of areas controlled by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but the authors did not say a word about the missile strike on Donetsk on March 14 (https://t.me/rybar/28581 ) and the death of 20 civilians.

But the report has a whole section devoted to the problems of the LGBT community in the conditions of hostilities. It describes the problems of transgender people who cannot leave Ukraine because of the male gender in the documents.

In principle, it is not necessary to expect any objectivity from the OSCE. The report is just another clear evidence that the EU has long appointed the perpetrators: no one in the West is interested in the real picture.
#EU #Ukraine
@rybar

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 18:58 utc | 85

The idea of a “ big Israel” as Zelensky mentioned is more significant to the situation than many commentators are factoring. It may be a secondary goal after creating a quagmire for Russia but a goal nonetheless. The strategy of big Israel is ethnic cleansing of at least part of Ukraine of both Russians and Ukrainians. It is desired to create the living space for an Israel 2.0. It is therefore logical to blame Zionists and their mercenaries for the war and the war crimes, not a large scale Nazification of the Slav Ukrainian population.

Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 13 2022 16:53 utc | 4>/BLOCKQUOTE>

I for one, are with you on this one. They are experts in re-inventing themselves, ad Israel is turning into real hellhole with even worse reputation.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 13 2022 19:04 utc | 86

Wow, Pepe Escobar just posted on his telegram channel this powerful image:

https://t.me/c/1394010098/3225

Searching with Yandex/Google cant find it statically for now so apologies to ppl that dont have telegram.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 19:06 utc | 87

Ukrainian psy-ops are working day and night to invent all kinds of “Russian atrocities”. Most of their claims are laughable, like this one: screenshot. Then again, Ukrainians and Westerners lap it all up, so why stop?

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 19:13 utc | 88

So Biden claims that what Russia is do in Ukraine is genocide. Where was he during the past 8 years when the Ukrainians we're shelling Donbass?

Posted by: Quiet Rebel | Apr 13 2022 19:16 utc | 89

# 58 "The Scandinavians would not be so stupid as to start a war with Russia, neither alone, nor as part of Nato".

I'm think, that Russia sees the situation very differently.

The Finnish government already 2015 accepted ( without the parliament) the MoU (Memorandum of Understanding).
It gives the USA the freedom to do in Finland what it wants (placing troops in Finland, taking the control of ports etc,), totally outside of the Finnish jurisdiction.

As part of Nato Finland would have even less saying of joining the war, nor of placing missiles on the border, some 100km from St Petersburg.
Russia also has a vulnarable area in Murmansk,and the connection to it can be cut quite easely from Finland.

Posted by: ka | Apr 13 2022 19:19 utc | 90

ain't that the truth
from lebannon


https://twitter.com/HadiNasrallah/status/1514197332044263429
Hadi Nasrallah @HadiNasrallah

If twitter was a thing in 2003, they would’ve suspended every account questioning the WMD accusations against Iraq.

6:02 AM · Apr 13, 2022 Twitter for iPhone
1,121 Retweets 31 Quote Tweets 4,083 Likes

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 13 2022 19:19 utc | 91

Posted by: Freddie Flintstone | Apr 13 2022 15:09 utc | 2

You write this as though it's some sort of contradiction to b's points. It isn't. War crimes have in fact been committed, by both sides, with the obvious principal war crime (on paper anyway) of Russia invading in the first place.

Non-point.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 13 2022 19:20 utc | 92

@58 No, totally different situation. Finland, Sweden etc. are not infested with Nazis, nor is there a genocide on a Russian minority in that country. The Scandinavians would not be so stupid as to start a war with Russia, neither alone, nor as part of Nato.

The Baltic countries are not much farther from Moscow than Ukraine. Yet the Baltic countries' Nato membership is not really a problem for or threat to Russia.
I have to say, though, that Lithuania is one of Europe's biggest scumbags in many ways.

Posted by: Nico | Apr 13 2022 18:10 utc | 65

Hardly a "totally different situation." The Scandinavians may not want to start a war with Russia, but as NATO members they may well find their land liberally dotted with missiles, even nuclear-armed ones, pointed directly at Russia. The fear of having enemy missiles at such close range is one of the reasons Russia began its operation against 404.

Oh, and the Baltic states' membership (and for that matter Poland's) is indeed a big problem for Russia, and for the aforementioned reason. Not for nothing has Russia called for rolling back NATO to its 1997 eastern border.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 13 2022 19:20 utc | 93

@Boo #86

Since you have Telegram, can you please ask Pepe to set up a public Telegram channel, so that people without Telegram can read him?

Pepe’s VK: https://vk.com/pepeasia

Pepe’s Telegram group chat (requires Telegram to join): https://t.me/+Uxbn8mAJx2971eDI

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 19:20 utc | 94

Uncle Sam finds a few Uyghurs living in the west, pays them a pittance of money to say a few things about China in Xinjiang regardless of being trueful or not, and pang! this becomes enough for the West to point fingers at China for being guilty of 'genocide!!! Well, there has been enough evidence to pin this war onto Uncle Sam as being the instigator and director. I believe China and Russia should take the bold step and point fingers at USA/EU/NATO as the warmongers and announce to sanction the hell out of them--stop shipments of daily use commodities, energy, foodstuff, anything essential for the Western economy. There are no other nations as self-sufficient in all necessities as China and Russia so they are the only ones impervious to total decoupling with the west. And their economies are complementally structured to get what they each would need from the other. What they would miss from the west are not what they absolutely need. So heck, do without them for a little bit. What's the big deal?

I'd like to see how the west would flare in such a scenario.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 13 2022 19:26 utc | 95

@Roger | 66

Odds of an "accident" for Marine le Pen are increasing as Macron's lead narrows to a dead heat in the upcoming runoff election in France, according to The New Statesman:

https://www.newstatesman.com/international-politics/french-election-2022/2022/04/exclusive-polling-marine-le-pen-on-49-per-cent-of-the-vote-for-french-president

BTW, enjoyed your globe-spanning compilation of The Ontological Death of the West. The prognosis is terminal. Transfer the patient to hospice care for the sake of family citizens, but please establish a do-not-resuscitate order! Why prolong the inevitable?

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 13 2022 19:28 utc | 96

Boomheist | Apr 13 2022 16:49 utc | 41

What I see:

The West will do whatever it decides. What it says, anything it says, is mendacious to the core, and not worth responding to or given consideration. What Russia will do is secure its people and lands from existential threats; most prominently from the mendacious US in any of its forms or proxies. Russia has the technology and the ability and the right leaders to carry through on its stated objectives. There is NO ability left in the US. It has been gutted by its owners who are not the citizens.

Attempting to "devine" beyond that is a mental game with little if anything to gain from it.

Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | Apr 13 2022 19:30 utc | 97

The DIA official did not consider the possibility that Ukrainian forces entered Bucha and singled out for elimination those who had "collaborated" with Russian forces. After all, on the day after the Russians departed the town, there was no mention by anyone (including the mayor) of several hundred bodies lying around.

Posted by: Rob | Apr 13 2022 19:30 utc | 98

Russian Foreign Ministry on Zelensky's proposal to exchange Medvedchuk for Ukrainian POWs: "We consider this trend extremely dangerous, given that there are many opposition politicians in Ukraine."
https://t.me/RWApodcast/92

@Boo | Apr 13 2022 19:06 utc | 86
As much as I hate twitter, telegram is just damn awful. Telegram will never be as popular as twitter.

Posted by: Sundial | Apr 13 2022 19:31 utc | 99

Posted by: S | Apr 13 2022 19:20 utc | 93

Hmm, Pepe's telegram channel is w/o a chat, and I've got no clue how to leave a message in a non-chat enabled channel, don't think that's possible. Have no account in vkontakte, unfortunately.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 13 2022 19:31 utc | 100

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