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April 07, 2022

U.S. 'Intelligence' Says Its 'Intelligence' Is Bullshit

U.S. 'intelligence' folks tell their stenographers at NBC News that their obvious lies are obvious lies.


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That announced 'break with the past' of faking 'intelligence' happened when?

How 'rock solid' was the 'intelligence' about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction or chemical weapons attacks in Douma, Syria?

U.S. 'intelligence', then and now, is pure imagination for the purpose of deceiving the U.S. and 'western' public about the reality of this or that conflict:

It was an attention-grabbing assertion that made headlines around the world: U.S. officials said they had indications suggesting Russia might be preparing to use chemical agents in Ukraine.

President Joe Biden later said it publicly. But three U.S. officials told NBC News this week there is no evidence Russia has brought any chemical weapons near Ukraine. They said the U.S. released the information to deter Russia from using the banned munitions.

Unlike the U.S. Russia no longer has any 'banned munitions':

The OPCW’s inspection teams have verified the destruction at seven chemical weapons destruction facilities in the Russian Federation. On 27 September 2017, the last of these facilities, located in Kizner, officially concluded its operations.

With the total elimination of Russia’s declared chemical weapons programme, 96.3 per cent of all chemical weapon stockpiles declared by possessor States have been destroyed under OPCW verification.

That is why the U.S. 'intelligence' claim of a potential use of Russian chemical weapons was obvious nonsense from the get go:

It’s one of a string of examples of the Biden administration’s breaking with recent precedent by deploying declassified intelligence as part of an information war against Russia. The administration has done so even when the intelligence wasn’t rock solid, officials said, to keep Russian President Vladimir Putin off balance. Coordinated by the White House National Security Council, the unprecedented intelligence releases have been so frequent and voluminous, officials said, that intelligence agencies had to devote more staff members to work on the declassification process, scrubbing the information so it wouldn’t betray sources and methods.

Sure, devote more people for the 'declassification process' of creating mere fantasies or for the the reproduction of public sources:

Just this week, national security adviser Jake Sullivan stood at the White House podium and read out what officials said was more declassified intelligence, asserting that Russia’s pullout from areas around Kyiv wasn’t a retreat but a strategic redeployment that signals a significant assault on eastern and southern Ukraine, one that U.S. officials believe could be a protracted and bloody fight.

That 'declassified intelligence' Sullivan read out was the copy of a public announcement the Ministry of Defense of Russia had made on March 30:

Planned regrouping of troops in Kiev and Chernigov directions is underway.

The first stage of the special military operation conducted by the Russian Armed Forces in Donbas and Ukraine was planned to force the enemy to concentrate its forces, means, resources and military equipment to hold on to high populated areas in these directions, including Kiev. To bring them down on the battlefield and, without storming these cities to avoid civilian casualties, inflict such a defeat on the armed formations of the Kiev regime that it would not be able to use these forces in the main direction of our Armed Forces in Donbass.

All these goals have been met.

At the same time, the Russian army also solved another task, namely - in the absence of an inflow of fresh enemy forces from the western and central regions of Ukraine, through professional military action, using the absolute air dominance it had gained, also using modern high-precision weapons - to create all the necessary conditions for the final stage of the operation to liberate the People's Republics of Donbass.
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Thus, all the main tasks of the Russian Armed Forces in Kiev and Chernigov directions have been completed.

The objective of the regrouping of the Russian Armed Forces is to intensify action in priority areas and, above all, to complete the operation for the total liberation of Donbass.

To claim that official public announcement by the Russian military are 'declassified intelligence' is of course bullshit. But NBC News stenographers won't tell you that. Instead we get more of this nonsense:

Multiple U.S. officials acknowledged that the U.S. has used information as a weapon even when confidence in the accuracy of the information wasn’t high. Sometimes it has used low-confidence intelligence for deterrent effect, as with chemical agents, and other times, as an official put it, the U.S. is just “trying to get inside Putin’s head.”

Does anyone believe that Putin gives a f*** about U.S. 'intelligence' claims?

No:

Some officials believe, however, that trying to get into Putin’s head is a meaningless exercise, because he will do what he wants regardless.
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The biggest success of the U.S. information offensive may have been delaying the invasion itself by weeks or months, which officials believe they did with accurate predictions that Russia intended to attack, based on definitive intelligence.

Those 'accurate predictions' included the false claims that Russia would invade the Ukraine on February 11, February 14 and February 16:

The noise has become deafening.

> The U.S. intelligence briefing included specific reference to next Wednesday, February 16, as a start date for the ground invasion, three officials — based in Washington, London and Ukraine — told POLITICO. <

'Could' is doing a lot of work in those headlines.

Can we get it a bit more precise?

1am or 3am?

Which is it?

And in what timezone?

In fact, Russia had not decided to invade Ukraine at that time. The decision was most likely made after February 19, after the Ukrainian military had intensified its bombardment of Donbas and after the Ukrainian president Zelinsky had threatened to acquire nuclear weapons:

Starting in mid February the OSCE observers around Donbas noted in their daily reports a strong increase in ceasefire violation and explosions.


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Most of the violations came from the Ukrainian site and the explosions of the fired shells and missile happened on Donbas held grounds. On February 19, at the hight of the fire, Zelensky gave a speech at the Munich Security Conference. He prominently mentioned the Budapest Memorandum under which the Ukraine had given up the nuclear weapons it had inherited from the USSR:

".. Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt."

One of the package decisions Ukraine took in 1994 was the entering of Ukraine into the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

Russia understood Zelensky's remark in Munich as a threat by Ukraine to acquire nuclear weapons. It already has the expertise, materials and means to do that.

A fascist controlled government with nukes on Russia's border? This is not about Putin at all. No Russian government of any kind could ever condone that.

I believe that this credible threat, together with the artillery preparations for a new war on Donbas, was what convinced Russia's government to intervene by force.

The Russian military operation was clearly provoked. It started on February 24, months after U.S. 'intelligence' had falsely warned of an 'imminent' attack, eight days AFTER Ukrainian artillery preparations to attack Donbas had begun, five days AFTER Zelinsky's nuclear speech and two days AFTER the U.S. and its allies had implemented unprecedented sanctions against Russia.

NBC News, as well as other western outlets, allow themselves to be abused by presenting U.S. 'intelligence' claims they know are outright lies:

Game or not, U.S. intelligence officials say it has been successful. Intelligence is rarely definitive, and Biden officials have calculated in some cases that it’s better to pre-empt something that might not happen, rather than stay silent and watch it unfold.

“It doesn’t have to be solid intelligence when we talk about it,” a U.S. official said. “It’s more important to get out ahead of them — Putin specifically — before they do something. It’s preventative. We don’t always want to wait until the intelligence is 100 percent certainty that they are going to do something. We want to get out ahead to stop them.”

Edged on by the 'intelligence' community the 'western' media 'get ahead' and produce one lie after the other.

Here they are, reporting on some scruffy cat in Bucha, a town that had seen five weeks of intense front-line fighting.


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The recently sensationalized mass graves in Bucha were of its Volkssturm 'civilian defenders' and of Russian soldiers deceased there. They were dug on March 12 and had nothing to do with the recent pull back of Russian forces. Some carefully filmed bodies in the streets of Bucha have likely been casualties of weeks old Ukrainian artillery strikes. Others bound and killed there, likely by Ukrainian Azov fascists, were wearing white arm bands identifying them as neutral to Russian forces.

Only rarely do we get insight from 'western' media of what the people on the ground in Ukraine really feel:

8:58 6 Apr - In eastern Ukraine, some don't blame Putin for the war
Jonathan Beale, BBC News, Donbas

We visited the town of Lysychansk, about a mile from the front line. It's one of many residential areas to have been hit by Russian artillery over the past few days.
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A Ukrainian soldier led us through the mostly-deserted streets to an underground shelter.

Inside in a gloomy room we talked to two old women, who were trying to keep warm in front of an electric fire.

We asked them who they thought was responsible for shelling their town - astonishingly, neither blamed Russia or President Vladimir Putin. They thought their grim situation was as much the fault of Ukraine and President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Whenever such rare reality reports, like the above or this one, come out, they get buried in an overwhelming stream of 'intelligence' bullshit and pro-war propaganda:

A video posted online on Monday and verified by The New York Times appears to show a group of Ukrainian soldiers killing captured Russian troops outside a village west of Kyiv.

“He’s still alive. Film these marauders. Look, he’s still alive. He’s gasping,” a man says as a Russian soldier with a jacket pulled over his head, apparently wounded, is seen still breathing. A soldier then shoots the man twice. After the man keeps moving, the soldier shoots him again, and he stops.

At least three other apparent Russian soldiers, including one with an obvious head wound who has his hands tied behind his back, can be seen dead near the victim. All are wearing camouflage, and three have white arm bands commonly worn by Russian troops. Equipment is scattered around them and there are blood stains near each man’s head.

For every atrocity Ukrainian troops and militia commit U.S. 'intelligence' will create five or more fairy tales of 'Russian atrocities' which the media, well knowing that such claims are likely false, will lap up and repeat.

The only advice one can give in such a situation is to always assume that it is the exact opposite of what any 'intelligence' claims that is actually happening.

Posted by b on April 7, 2022 at 9:28 UTC | Permalink

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Media control has always been the primary function of CIA.

Posted by: or | Apr 7 2022 13:51 utc | 54

It's called services rendered by the former; not control by the latter when the former is the whore of the latter. Or, it's a marriage of convenience made in hell.
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"To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” - C. S. Lewis

Posted by: Cynica | Apr 7 2022 14:21 utc | 64

Excellent and very relevant brilliant quote which should be read in its entirety. However, I just had to emphasize the last part that almost mirrors Covid-mandate oppression.

I read Lewis's Pursuit of Happiness, at a time when I was chasing a real fairytale; and instead, I discovered real life.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 7 2022 21:43 utc | 201

I've noticed an uptick in trolls on the 3 sites I visit most--MOA, Caitlin Johnstone, Craig Murray. I'm sure Murray doesn't want them, but his latest post on Ukraine attracts them.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 7 2022 21:44 utc | 202

@194 Arne Hartmann

Guessing probably half of such comments are that - provocateurs. Half might be genuine sentiments of a few among the bar clientele, as it were, who like to explain the world like this. Classic european xenophobia.

Would be nice if b did a bit more filtering.

(and, yes I am entirely aware, Twitter/FB/MSM are currently welcoming actual card-carrying fascists and neo-nazis...)

Posted by: ptb | Apr 7 2022 21:47 utc | 203

You contribute a lot of that the whole day. I do not vote for censoring it. I express my disguss about shitty mindfuck like that.
It does not surprise me that you are mentally and intellectually unable to ever decorate your generally quite dumb remarks with any rational argument.
No censorship, but for the sake of taste and reason drop such things. That is all.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 7 2022 15:24 utc | 88

The cat is out of the bag. All one has to do is read Jewish newspapers - you find them on-line. Man -o,man do they boast of their supremacy.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 7 2022 21:50 utc | 204

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 7 2022 21:19 utc | 192

Fully agree, except it might just be that some form of deep seated racism is emerging from the woodwork. Suppressed since 1945, hostility to Jewish people is definitely on the rise and it is very dangerous. Look I grew up in a leftist household and any signs of racism, and especially NAZI anti-semitic comments were just un-thought of.

However both my two siblings have expressed to me outright frank anti-semitic comments and in one case clear hostility. Moreover they are coming from opposite sides of the political spectrum. One from QANON thoughts and another from the left.

My point is that it is very dangerous and like a fierce dog can get out of control. If a real war starts- and i think it will, they will first come for the pro Russians (like me), then the Chinese, then the Muslims and then the Jews. Each will be scapegoated in their turn. The Jews and Chinese will suffer most because they are the richest, and when the savage dog attacks they will cop it hardest.

Posted by: watcher | Apr 7 2022 21:54 utc | 205

US says it’s spreading bullshit,
But big tech censors what it claims is bullshit.
How is that making any sense at all?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/04/07/biden-administration-admits-to-creating-strategic-disinformation-for-their-intents-in-ukraine-meanwhile-big-tech-claims-they-will-target-anyone-who-intentionally-uses-disinformation/

Posted by: Cadence calls | Apr 7 2022 21:55 utc | 206

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 7 2022 21:50 utc | 204

the people I encounter most often in my daily life who boast of their supremacy are my fellow americans, doesn't matter which party, which the lockstep agreement on the war propaganda by both parties shows.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 7 2022 21:57 utc | 207

@Givi | Apr 7 2022 17:00 utc | 136

It is my theory that they are testing to what extent the people will swallow blatant lies without protesting...

That testing has already been carried out. Watch General Gallois giving his views on Yugoslavia. https://archive.org/details/french-general-pierre-marie-gallois-on-yugoslavia-war-2009

What happened in Yugoslavia showed that public opinion could swallow all the disinformation provided the volume of disinformation was loud enough.

Posted by: cirsium | Apr 7 2022 22:00 utc | 208

'Refugees' carrying cats and dogs are a big thing in propaganda pics. Colour revolutions usually have a name so perhaps his war can be called the cat and dog war. Evil Ruskies making war on innocent little cats ad dogs.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 22:01 utc | 209

Ethnic Cleansing

The neo-Nazis have had a long standing, long stated, long acted upon, goal of ethnically cleansing the Donbas.

Does anyone dispute this?

Yes, the Western Mocking Bird press.

Is this issue critical to the events taking place in Ukraine?
Yes, Massively important and central to it.

Besides the Mocking Bird press who else disputes this issue?
Those who benefit.
The Neocons, the arms dealers, the CIA, the warmongers, US hegemony.
They all seek to control the border area with Russia -- the Donbas --
so that they can arm the border to the teeth with offensive weapons
pointed at Russia.

Who has put their political fingers to the wind and sided with
the Neocons, etal?
Democrat and Republican politicians.

What are the ultimate stakes in Ukraine, worst case scenario?
Extinction of humanity.
Two sides are facing off in Ukraine both armed with nuclear weapons.
This should scare the bajeezahs out of you.

The stakes are high -- the ultimate -- but let us not mention
the Holocaust fearing group, -- mention anyone else! --
as someone might try to upset the
apple cart and use the antisemitism canard.


Posted by: librul | Apr 7 2022 22:17 utc | 210

UK holding the presidency of the UNSC refusing to convene an emergency meeting at Russia's request and now Russia removed from UN human rights organisation... The whole edifice is corrupted and the UN will most likely go the way of the league of nations.


Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 22:25 utc | 211

These are the same people telling is that Biden won the 2020 election fair and square.

Posted by: Oliver Clozoff | Apr 7 2022 22:28 utc | 212

1. I imagine good Intelligence is derived probing deep below the surface, through layers of concealment and subterfuge and instinctively piecing together clues along the way to reveal the end product. Of course luck and a reliable source can save a lot of time.

2. Fake intelligence is what you plant and/or fabricate to frame someone to distract from the bigger picture, or to have them take the fall for something you yourself are guilty of perpetrating, or both.

In the case of Ukraine, #1. is required to expose #2.

Oh and finally, Russia MUST contend with this:

How US intel worked with commercial satellite firms to reveal Ukraine info it’s “actually surprising to see that information advantage on the battlefield is so far countering superior equipment and mass. That is just amazing to see as an intelligence professional…”

[Circe response: Not so fast, NGA space cowboy...so far ain't the whole enchilada coming together!]

U.S. satellite Intel helping Ukraine

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 7 2022 18:46 utc | 161

The whole article sizzles with intriguing information.

“The ability to detect and understand GPS interference is happening on the battlefield is incredibly important.”
Hawkeye’s satellites use radio frequency geolocation to find GPS jammers and other emitters.
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Wright explained that the information sphere in Asia is already characterized by competing actors with different agendas, with China a major player in the social media arena.

“That’s going to be a much more competitive fight,” she told the panel.

Wright said that in the Ukraine war, Western governments and the public is pretty much united and in harmony on how to respond to Russia’s invasion. “Everyone knows who the bad guy is,” she said — commercial imagery firms included. [USA! USA!]

For example, Wright said, US and allied commercial remote sensing companies are not publishing any information about the movements of Ukrainian forces or President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. [WHY NOT?]

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“It will not be the same in an Asia fight,” she said, noting there are likely to be a plethora of open source “competitors” that might want to reveal US actions. And in some cases, such as with naval forces, it would be “pretty easy” for open source operators to track military movements.

Morin agreed, saying that that in essence “the ship has sailed” on the issue of controlling commercial remote sensing, because of the ubiquity of commercial space providers including outside of the United States.

While the NGA chief said it's "surprising to see that information advantage on the battlefield is so far countering superior equipment and mass" in Ukraine, experts warn a future information fight with China won't likely go as smoothly.

[Oh, so China is the next target? Then will you be satisfied with conquering the entire planet? No? In the words of Capt. Kirk: Space--the final frontier.]

Fascinating read.

Russia?...if you're listening, I mean, reading, get moving and terminate this fantasy!

Posted by: Circe | Apr 7 2022 22:31 utc | 213

Posted by: librul | Apr 7 2022 12:43 utc | 34

Re: "How can there be Nazis in Ukraine if Zelensky is Jewish?"

Hitler had his Jewish Nazis. See the following:

https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587?linkId=8f1b06a3fe5713e8dd61133687c29c8d&language=en_US

Title:
Hitler's Jewish Soldiers: The Untold Story of Nazi Racial Laws and Men of Jewish Descent in the German Military (Modern War Studies) Paperback – May 6, 2002

Blurb:
On the murderous road to "racial purity" Hitler encountered unexpected detours, largely due to his own crazed views and inconsistent policies regarding Jewish identity. After centuries of Jewish assimilation and intermarriage in German society, he discovered that eliminating Jews from the rest of the population was more difficult than he'd anticipated. As Bryan Rigg shows in this provocative new study, nowhere was that heinous process more fraught with contradiction and confusion than in the German military.

Contrary to conventional views, Rigg reveals that a startlingly large number of German military men were classified by the Nazis as Jews or "partial-Jews" (Mischlinge), in the wake of racial laws first enacted in the mid-1930s. Rigg demonstrates that the actual number was much higher than previously thought-perhaps as many as 150,000 men, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals.

Posted by: Sushi | Apr 7 2022 22:32 utc | 214

watcher | Apr 7 2022 21:54 utc | 205

Israel as a migrant colony is doing the same in Palestine as five eyes done in their early days. Progressive genocide and placing indigenous survivors on reservations. Fully protected by the US. Much of the current US leadership has eastern European jewish backgrounds. Then there now is what can only be considered legalized grooming. The deliberate destruction of culture. There will be strong blow back on these issues.
Many babies get throw out with the bathwater during revolutions but that's the way we are headed.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 22:37 utc | 215

Although it is implied in many of b's posts and surely many comments, whenever a report about a "massacre" or use of banned weaponry comes out, it's always necessary to monitor what else coincides with the claimed event.

We all saw this with Syria re: the infamous leaked OPCW whistleblower messages wherein it was revealed that the people who actually inspected the evidence and/or went to the site were not willing to sign off on the claim that Assad had gassed his own people - in a very public manner, and in rebel held territory - on the very eve of that territory's liberation from the head chopping maniacs that the CIA and Israel were funding and supporting.

I suspect similar with the announcements of Russian "atrocities" - always coming forth when peace talks are about to take place or when it becomes obvious that Russia is pulling back and allowing these places to go about cleaning up (which also entails the Azov Nazis butchering their fellow Ukrainian citizens for being "sympathizers" or enablers of Russia).

TL/DR: When you hear about the next atrocity, carefully scan the 'news' to see what potentially positive development might coincide. A pattern will begin to emerge.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 7 2022 22:39 utc | 216

While this story might seem like offhand and off topic musings, I wonder if this provides useful context into which the current events can be placed.

Long ago, when I was reading the memoires of Khrushchev, I came across something very odd: a quick offhand and derisive remark about Andrey Vlasov, the well known Red Army general who went over to the Germans (and wound up with a convoluted story that's probably a bit pointless to repeat) accompanied by a length translator's note criticizing Khrushchev for the remark and describing Vlasov as a noble and tragic figure. Now, the translator in question was Strobe Talbott, the future foreign policy big wig, but, at the time the book came out, still a young student (I want to say he was in graduate school when he translated it, but I could be wrong). I didn't have much experience with Russians back then (and I still can't say I have had a lot of experience talking to Russians even now), but the vociferous way the translator went out of his way to make this claim struck me as very odd.

Fast forward a few decades, I've had some interactions with Russians and I'd learned one thing: you do not talk favorably of people like Vlasov in their presence. They are, almost invariably, totally unsympathetic to people who went over the Nazis, no matter the circumstances. They are horrible traitors who deserved the terrible fate they got. The end.

On the other hand, I've found that a lot of westerners, even those who think they "know" Russia and Russians (actually, like Strobe Talbott) have a soft spot for people like Vlasov. Talbott as a young man was hardly unique in making excuses for Vlasov's betrayal of homeland. The only tragedy, really, was that he went over to the Nazis who didn't have much use for him other than as propaganda prop (only sometimes). Only if he went over to the Western powers, who, I suppose, would actually have had real use for him! Or, in other words, Russia (and, really, the "Orient" writ large) is really a backward and oppressive place that any right-thinking person should want to leave, or the implicit thinking goes. Interestingly, this applies only to individuals, not the entire "Orient." The idea that a collective Russia, or even a Japan (I did come of age in 1990s, after all), should reorient itself that they should become part of the West is not acceptable, since they would only do so with the precondition that they would do so on their terms. Only individual defectors, who would willingly give up everything and assimilate to the West would be acceptable. But those who do willingly give up everything to join the "West" (counting the Nazis as part of the West...which, from the Russian perspective, is probably applicable) like Vlasov, "welcome" as they might be from the West, are unforgivable traitors to the East. Especially if they come bearing arms against where they came from.

So this episode seems to reflect the opposing mindset today. From the Russian perspective, Ukraine is analogous to Vlasov, a traitor who, at the behest of Western adversaries, marched against their former compatriots (whether we mean "Russia" broadly or the residents of Donbass who wanted to remain culturally Russians, with arms drawn. I don't think there are any more Russians who think more favorably of the present Ukrainian government than they do of Vlasov. Yet, to the West, this "escape" from the East is only natural and obvious, while the attempt of the Russians to resist this is an offense against the natural order of things. As with Vlasov, that Ukraine is doing so via the way of the modern day Nazis is only a minor problem. A subtle form of orientalism, I suppose--not so much an explicit "racism" as cultural chauvinism, and possibly not even unique to the West (the Chinese have had a version of this for thousands of years, which their neighbors are painfully well aware of, after all). But a "Whiggish' notion that it's only natural that everyone wants to be Westerners and they have to do so on terms imposed by the West is something that does not go well outside the West, especially when it involves downright violent "betrayals" of the sort we are seeing today.

Posted by: khc | Apr 7 2022 22:41 utc | 217

Any attempt at discussing anything Jewish or Israeli - everybody loses. I don't need this, skipping it all.

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According to the official exchange rate, the ruble today is 91 to the euro. Yet the online exchanges in theory offer only 75 today, yesterday it was 80. It would mean the currency exchanges are helping themselves to a 15% cut, instead of the usual 5%. But anyway, it's only in theory, because you still can't get any rubles. Sold out all the time. The ruble is heavily, heavily undervalued. Tells you where this whole trade war is headed. For the EU, perhaps with the exception of Hungary, it's going to be a desaster. A desaster of the kind we haven't seen since '45.

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Apr 7 2022 22:57 utc | 218

@ bevin 173 @ dan bacon
intellectual stagnation in the narcissistic nation
Yes. I've gassed-off before on the poor US education system which breeds adults to 'sit down and shut up, and we'll tell you what's what.' We are unable to do many things on our own, we must get guidance from 'experts' on what what to think and how to act.
We're dealing with that now, with people who hate Russians because they're told to hate Russians, along with the bogus 'news.'

Even if social media is meant for propaganda, doesn't mean some information get through.
During lock-down something happened - now thing like Americans reaction to "what is the dumbest thing an American ever said to you" a thing on You Tube.
The segregation of American culture and their isolation towards the rest of the world is breaking down. Even the christian America is waking up.

What the devil meant for evil, God turned into good- as the story of Joseph goes.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 7 2022 23:10 utc | 219

@Oldhippie | Apr 7 2022 21:19 utc | 192

yes.. thanks for saying that..

Arne Hartmann | Apr 7 2022 21:24 utc | 194 - your 2 questions - yes... and - it isn't...

watcher | Apr 7 2022 21:54 utc | 205

you are a new poster here.. you might want to learn more about those posting before coming to conclusions so quickly as you've done in your post @189..

Posted by: james | Apr 7 2022 23:11 utc | 220

@ Scotch Bingeington | Apr 7 2022 22:57 utc | 218 reporting about the smart money going to rubles

Thanks for that and I laugh at the Western economists that posit that it will take 20 years for the demise of the US dollar.

When I initially reported on that 20 year position I wrote that he was off by a factor of 10 and it would be two years but maybe if off further its two months, two weeks....grin

I keep writing about the real difference between fiat money and money backed by things having value. I see the world as overripe for movement away from fiat money, the anti-humanistic culture built with it and the endless wars to sustain it.

As a species I think we can and should do better than the God of Mammon shit show

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 7 2022 23:15 utc | 221

Anne B | Apr 7 2022 23:10 utc | 219

The western education system. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSSicTDTZQw

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 23:18 utc | 222

I have on half read the above. So to recap not only were the Ukraine Military/Azov 'shelling' the poor souls of the Dombass and the intensity increased to which could sway President Putins hand for 'war' also the nuclear ambitions of Ukraine as outlined in the Munich address to the international leaders, there is the Bio lab construct. This link shows the Russian leadership worried about labs in Georgia AND in other countries , ie Ukraine.
https://apnews.com/article/public-health-north-america-health-ap-top-news-in-state-wire-0cf158200e674f41bd3026133e5e043d
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“Such research doesn’t conform to Washington’s international obligations regarding the ban on biological and toxin weapons,” Kirillov said. “A legitimate question is why such documents are being stored in the Lugar Center for Public Health Research. We hope to receive a precise answer from Georgia and the United States.”

He noted that Russia was worried about the U.S. military commissioning the collection of genetic materials of people from various regions of Russia, including the North Caucasus, and was unsure of the project’s purpose.

The lab in Georgia is “just a small element of a part of a sprawling military and biological program of the United States,” the general said, adding that the Pentagon allegedly has other labs in countries neighboring Russia.

“The choice of location for such labs isn’t accidental,” Kirillov said, characterizing the research facilities as “a constant source of biological threats” to Russia and China. End of quote. 2018

So to make up the reasons to go to war/military action the above Bio weapons labs would have been in the decision matrix. Don't discount the importance of having bio labs on your border and the danger it entails.

Posted by: col from OZ | Apr 7 2022 23:25 utc | 223

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Apr 7 2022 22:57 utc | 218

Thanks, Scotch Bingeington - Your first thought is mine as well. And I appreciate your input on the status of the ruble.

Lots of flak today, but thanks, b. As I read the quote about 'getting ahead' I was thinking the phrase might be floating about as per Helmer's recent article that Russia could have pre-empted a flanking move by Ukrainian troops around the Donbass to Russia itself. You didn't mention that, but if there are important people present in Mariupol I wonder what they are doing there. Hoping Russia would enter the Donbass and not expecting them to come in from the north?

I realize I'm totally dumb on such matters - we do seem to be getting a lot of obfuscation on threads lately, though. And if this is totally off base, people, just ignore me. What do I know? - nothing at all, really.

I was sorry to read the Imran Kahn news, best wishes to Pakistan - I know he is popular there. And peace to all, peace and safety.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 7 2022 23:30 utc | 224

There is an excellent summary of the history of Ukrainian fascism at Strategic Culture. It would be very useful as an aid to educating those who are in denial.
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/04/07/milestones-of-ukraine-transformation-towards-far-right-puppet-state/
The unsung hero of Ukraine's nationhood is General Hoffman, one of the military geniuses of the Prussian General Staff. Hus role is rarely discussed.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 7 2022 23:33 utc | 225

@ Peter AU1 211
and now Russia removed from UN human rights organisation
And clearly removed because of Bucha, when the UNSC Sec-Gen placed no blame after the UNSC emergency meeting, and has said that the Bucha affair needs to be investigated! It makes no sense!!!

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 7 2022 23:43 utc | 226

"With the total elimination of Russia’s declared chemical weapons programme, 96.3 per cent of all chemical weapon stockpiles declared by possessor States have been destroyed under OPCW verification."

You trust the Russians?

Posted by: Edwin | Apr 7 2022 23:47 utc | 227

Mr Green Jeans | Apr 7 2022 17:55 utc | 153

The RF Forces already know who executed the soldiers by first cutting their throats, then watching their blood pump out, and, when they started their death rattles, shooting them.

These strange specimens of the two-legged filmed each other's faces. Saying, Glory to Georgia, Glory to Ukraine. Glory they will enjoy, without a doubt.

Posted by: donten | Apr 7 2022 23:50 utc | 228

Here is an interesting article on missed diplomatic opportunities and initiatives that unfortunately misses the point that the US/NATO intention was always to goad Russia into a protracted war:

"Not only did diplomacy fail spectacularly but the responses of governments around the world was, perversely, to turn away from the search for a solution and instead to engage, unintentionally or otherwise, in deliberate and sustained actions to inflame the conflict further..."

https://johnmenadue.com/paul-komesaroff-michael-komesaroff-and-roger-mendelsonaustralias-response-to-the-ukraine-crisis-is-a-missed-opportunity/

Posted by: Paul | Apr 7 2022 23:50 utc | 229

@ Don Bacon | Apr 7 2022 23:43 utc | 226 with the observation about the different levels that geo-politics are being portrayed to the "public"

I am reminded of Shakespeare who was amazing at writing his plays to instruct and entertain the various "understanding levels" at that period of history. I am NOT saying these folks are Shakespeare, only that they are using similar methods to broaden the appeal of the propaganda.

In the past I have called the UN the High Court of empire and, as we just saw, it can still be made to act like that.....the kissing of the ring.

Like the American dream that you now have to be asleep to believe in, the UN charter and intention was good but got co-opted by empire at birth.

My hope is that the dream of the UN will birth a more reflective version than the original as a result of this civilization war we are in.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 7 2022 23:55 utc | 230

We can`t live without them. Try to criticize one of them.

Posted by: Piepenbrink | Apr 7 2022 20:59 utc | 185

I know some moisers that feed me information, so I don't hold back.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 8 2022 0:04 utc | 231

@Cadence calls #206:

US says it’s spreading bullshit,
But big tech censors what it claims is bullshit.
How is that making any sense at all?

Citizen! We have detected your attempts at engaging in logical thinking. You have five minutes to cease this heretical activity.

Posted by: S | Apr 8 2022 0:08 utc | 232

watcher | Apr 7 2022 21:11 utc | 189

The fact that these antisemimitic posts are going full bore at this site tells me everyone is demoralised. (sic)

The truth will set you free, if you embrace it.
Try read some Jewish media out-lests for a while. There you will find racism. Intrinsic racism.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 8 2022 0:10 utc | 233

Is the fixation on Jews here some kind of a black propaganda operation to discredit B's blog? Why for God's sake is that relevant to Ukraine?

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 7 2022 21:24 utc | 194

If you won't connect the dots, frankly it's your loss and yours only.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 8 2022 0:13 utc | 234

I think that Twitter is randomly enforcing bans for Violence and Harassment on anybody who questions the Bucha narrative. If so, this is definitely a coordinated action coming directly from the government through Twitter executives into platform. I've heard of several reports now of people who have been locked out of their account. The only commonality between them is that they were each discussing some aspect of the Bucha event from a perspective skeptical of the dominant Western narrative.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 8 2022 0:14 utc | 235

Here is the closing paragraph of a learnered [1985] dissertation by the late Professor Andrew Vincent, "The Jew The Gipsy and El-Islam: An Examination of Richard Burton's Consulship In Damascus And His Premature Recall 1868-1871". Published by the Journal of The Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland. I thought it pertinent.

" The whole question of organised Jewish influence on Western governments remains a rather contentious issue at the present time This is true to such an extent that dispassionate discussion of its various manifestations can often provoke quite passionate reactions.* Such a situation is unfortunate, for reasoned discussion of an issue... any issue... should not be stifled by sectarian or polemical pressure in any form : for is not this what was encountered by Burton as a result of his attempted reforms in Syria over a century ago?"

*see C. Mayhew and M. Adams "Publish it Not" [London1975]

Posted by: Paul | Apr 8 2022 0:18 utc | 236

bevin @225--

That article has problems that might be related to the fact that the author isn't a native English speaker. This is the tenth paragraph:

"The Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), which was established to cooperate against the Nazi invaders, committed massacres not only in Ukraine, but also in Poland, Romania and Czechoslovakia." [My Emphasis]

Oops. Neither author or editor caught that very important, glaring error. I'm going to stick with the sources I already have, all of which I've shared here. Those Chung used are critical, and Ehret has found and used others.

And by the by, the Outlaw US Empire has never ratified the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which was Eleanor Roosevelt's baby, and that fact is a key Red Flag denoting a huge change in policy--From the Four Freedoms to Enslavement, expropriation and exploitation along with continuous wars and complete trashing of the UN Charter.

I see today's expulsion of Russia from the UN's Human Rights Council as a temporal bookend. It isn't in Russia's current character to go about smashing cities and not giving a fuck about the collateral damage like the Outlaw US Empire/NATO, but characters can change, not that I want to see Russia alter its disposition. I'm reminded of the very first Star Wars when Alderaan was destroyed by the Death Star, which would have happened regardless what Leia said. Of course, that's the type of atrocity committed by the Outlaw US Empire and Lucas knew it, but not enough people got the message despite the many millions who've watched that film. Yesterday, I opined it was time for an ultimatum: Stop or the Pentagon gets it, for example, say ten hypersonics, one for each building segment, ought to do far more than the supposed jet liner did. Or since most of the shit's being laid on by the State Department, cremate that building.

But that would only happen now if Russia's character changed. I'm certain Russia will act, but I haven't a clue as to what will be done.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 0:21 utc | 237

@Edwin #227:

"With the total elimination of Russia’s declared chemical weapons programme, 96.3 per cent of all chemical weapon stockpiles declared by possessor States have been destroyed under OPCW verification."

You trust the Russians?

What part of “under OPCW verification” don’t you understand?

Posted by: S | Apr 8 2022 0:27 utc | 238

The truth will set you free, if you embrace it.
Try read some Jewish media out-lests for a while. There you will find racism. Intrinsic racism.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 8 2022 0:10 utc | 233

Actually, this is tribalism. As in "A U.N. investigation from December 2017 to September 2019 found more than 700 people were killed, 168 injured and at least 143 people sexually violated in [attacks of Lendu tribe on Heme tribe]". In the quest for roots and authenticity, graduate of elite universities can be equally tribal.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 8 2022 0:34 utc | 239

A commentator at Escobar's VK went and broke down the vote by population of the nations:

Yes=25% of humanity

Abstain=46%

No=29%

As you can see, the judgement of Humanity was 75% against Russia being removed, for an abstention is essentially a no, although nations in this case ought to be bolder.

Additional votes ought to be taken to expel the Outlaw US Empire and all NATO nations for their crimes.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 0:39 utc | 240

>>>>>US says it’s spreading bullshit,
But big tech censors what it claims is bullshit.
How is that making any sense at all?

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/04/07/biden-administration-admits-to-creating-strategic-disinformation-for-their-intents-in-ukraine-meanwhile-big-tech-claims-they-will-target-anyone-who-intentionally-uses-disinformation/

Posted by: Cadence calls | Apr 7 2022 21:55 utc | 206<<<<

Makes perfect sense. They are trying to push the leftist, globalist, groupthink orthodoxy. You can't speak of president Trump, the massive change in election laws or private financing of them, you can't speak of questioning Covid,, you can't speak of Ukraine etc etc etc. It's all a big coordinated messaging. Unfortunately those who claim to want to do something about it are mostly fools. Easily manipulated with a shiny object. Put in rules against "Big Tech!". A big made up slogan for the media-government cabal to put more pressure on big social media website companies. A law that says Amazon can't sell their branded soap or Google can't install Chrome but all of them must ratchet up control of "hate speech" and "disinformation". The powerful leading the dimwits. See how they got Big Tech! (see how they leverage power over big tech to limit more speech and just so happen to prop up legacy media by trying to block sites like MoA).

Posted by: Corsair66 | Apr 8 2022 0:49 utc | 241

@ karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 0:39 utc | 240 with the population breakdown on the UN vote to expel Russia from HRC

Thanks for that and all rest you contribute at MoA

I read that and had visions of Mitt Romney coming here and commenting that "Corporations are people my friends", so that is why the real population numbers don't matter.

And all those corporations are back by the "real people" of the West, those with all the powers of private finance, the God of Mammon cult.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 8 2022 0:50 utc | 242

May I recommend this analysis by David Starkey, March 28 0 BC (before covid). it demonstrates that a large number of UK residents are not bought in by propaganda and are still capable of intelligence and understanding what is actually occuring. https://youtu.be/FofS0aNQSnE

Posted by: Oh | Apr 8 2022 1:02 utc | 243

You can't fight here! This is the war room

Nato personnel are rumoured to be in Azovstal.

If true this raises interesting questions for the RF particularly as it may generate a pretext for NATO intervention.

The following link reaches a Canadian document which details the law of armed combat (LOAC) in clear English. All quotes are from this document.

https://www.fichl.org/fileadmin/_migrated/content_uploads/Canadian_LOAC_Manual_2001_English.pdf

In essence, armed conflict occurs between parties which are state entities having a trained military engaged in conflict. At the present moment the only parties to the conflict are RF, Ukraine, and the two newly declared states of LPR and DPR. Georgians may also be involved but their status as combatants is unclear. Mercenaries are persons of any nationality not members of an organized state military who participate in the conflict for payment. Mercenaries are unlawful combatants, as are armed civilians.

Ukraine, in simply placing supplies of weapons in the public square and inviting citizens to help themselves, has generated unlawful combatants, persons not wearing a distinctive uniform or badge and under no form of military control. These citizens are legitimate military targets if they elect to engage in armed combat and may be excluded from the protections (such as POW status) afforded genuine combatants.

The status of any NATO personnel is unclear. If they are citizens of a nation which is a non-combatant then they are not lawful combatants and may also be denied the protections of the LOAC.

If they have been actively engaged in directing or otherwise assisting the Ukraine in prosecuting the conflict and are found to be members of a neutral's military then they potentially compromise the neutrality status of that nation.

If they are present simply to gather information on tactics and weapons capabilities then they may be judged to be spies:


320. SPIES
1. Espionage means to gather or attempt to gather information of military value through an act of false pretence or deliberately in a clandestine manner. Generally speaking, persons engaging in espionage may be attacked and if captured while doing so shall NOT have the right to the status of prisoner of war.
HlVR Art 29 (1); AP l Art 46 (1

They would also have the status of unlawful combatants:


410. UNLAWFUL COMBATANTS
1. Unlawful combatants are legitimate targets for such time as they take a direct part in hostilities.
Unlawful combatants include:
c. spies.

Unlawful combatants are not afforded the right to POW status. Those found to be spies may be subject to execution. I suspect the RF would hold formal hearings on the status of any captured personnel. I also suspect the NATO nation(s) concerned would demand the immediate release of their citizens. This demand may include a threat of hostile action if the RF fails to comply with the demand.

Kubrick's film had a positive ending. The outcome of our present reality is uncertain.

Posted by: Sushi | Apr 8 2022 1:03 utc | 244

Escobar has a new article at The Cradle, "Sit back and watch Europe commit suicide: If the US goal is to crush Russia's economy with sanctions and isolation, why is Europe in an economic free fall instead?"

It's mostly about energy, but the discussion's complex and lengthy, so best click the link and read it twice through. But I'll provide this limited bit in support of Sushi who was essentially correct in his article proving EU can't replace Russian gas:

It was up to Chinese energy expert Fu Chengyu to offer a concise explanation of why the EU drive of replacing Russian gas with American LNG is, well, a pipe dream. Essentially the US offer is “too limited and too costly.”

Fu Chengyu showed how a lengthy, tricky process depends on four contracts: between the gas developer and the LNG company; between the LNG company and the buyer company; between the LNG buyer and the cargo company (which builds vessels); and between the buyer and the end user.

“Each contract,” he pointed out, “takes a long time to finish. Without all these signed contracts, no party will invest – be it investment on infrastructure or gas field development.” So actual delivery of American LNG to Europe assumes all these interconnected resources are available – and moving like clockwork.

Pepe addresses my question about what next after Ukraine:

A US Deep State old pro, now retired, and quite familiar with the inner workings of the old OSS, the CIA precursor, all the way to the neocon dementia of today, provided some sobering insights:

“The whole Ukraine issue is over hypersonic missiles that can reach Moscow in less than four minutes. The US wants them there, in Poland, Romania, Baltic States, Sweden, Finland. This is in direct violation of the agreements in 1991 that NATO will not expand in Eastern Europe. The US does not have hypersonic missiles now but should – in a year or two. This is an existential threat to Russia. So they had to go into the Ukraine to stop this. Next will be Poland and Romania where launchers have been built in Romania and are being built in Poland.”

So perhaps we should ponder the implications of what I wrote above @237 when it comes to deNATOfying Poland, the Baltics and others. It's easier to defend wastelands than occupy hostile nations. And that's something I very much doubt the Poles or Balts have contemplated.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 1:06 utc | 245

@129 -- "If I was a thinking Azov fighter, which I'm not, I would now be mightily pissed off at US and NATO for all their broken promise, failed BS plans and misinformation."

So what, no risk to US and NATO, they'll all be dead within a few weeks.

Posted by: imo | Apr 8 2022 1:14 utc | 246

Sushi @244--

Based on the info provided, NATO trainers would be unlawful combatants and make their nations belligerents. Is that how you read it?

psychohistorian @242--

Thanks for your reply and complement! Escobar writes just a bit about the new system we're waiting to be put into action. I was asked at VK about China's contracting numerous LNG orders from the Outlaw US Empire and said that's an excellent use of the huge number of worthless dollars China holds--China gets an asset, Europe doesn't get anything, the price rises, and the repatriated dollars cause further inflation inside the Empire.

An item of interest at RT says the Pentagon has tried contacting Russia's military but Russia isn't answering the phone--Austin said so today before Congress: would he lie about that? Maybe he should try the Syria connection instead.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 1:25 utc | 247

Doctor Strangelove had a positive ending? Maybe if you're a misanthrope.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 8 2022 1:29 utc | 248

@ Edwin | Apr 7 2022 23:47 utc | 227 quote -

"You trust the Russians?"

nah.. i trust victoria nuland... she is so much more trustworthy, lolol... and - i like cookies... 5 billion worth of them..

Posted by: james | Apr 8 2022 1:30 utc | 249

The battle to liberate Mariupol from Banderite Nazi occupation is entering its final stage. Allied Russian and DPR forces are using precise artillery strikes to hit the Azovstal plant -- the Nazi's last stand fortress. It is only a matter of time before every square meter of the city is freed from Nazi occupation. Here is a video showing the current progress at the front:

https://odysee.com/@RT:fd/mariupol-battle:d

Posted by: Nate | Apr 8 2022 1:33 utc | 250

From Martyanov's blog:

Larchmonter445 • a day ago
News from my source in Crimea. NATO and US captured are in Krim and are being interrogated. War Crimes proceedings tentatively scheduled for June.

He may have posted more today. I have yet to look.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 1:39 utc | 251

Were Nuland's cookies Mandelbrot, a Jewish treat during the Hanukkah season? A photo I've seen of her with a bag of the cookies makes it look as if they could well have been.

Both her paternal grandparents were Jews from Ukraine. I wonder from where in Ukraine.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 8 2022 1:40 utc | 252

Aha!! I see why Austin wants to talk so badly. Here's Martyanov today:

"Everything else will be answered at War Crimes tribunal tentatively set to start in June, in Crimea."

So, the captured NATO and Outlaw US Empire soldiers isn't just a rumor apparently. Of course, more confirmation would be nice. I'll continue to hunt around, but please don't let me stop anyone else!

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 1:46 utc | 253

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 8 2022 1:29 utc | 248

yeah, maybe he was being sarcastic.

Posted by: pretzelattacl | Apr 8 2022 1:48 utc | 254

U see what you mean Karlofi:
"The Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), which was established to cooperate against the Nazi invaders, committed massacres not only in Ukraine, but also in Poland, Romania and Czechoslovakia...."
And then a paragraph later he corrects himself.
"...After the division of the Ukrainian Nationalists Organization, which was established to cooperate with the Nazis."
In any case the history of Bandera's (soft) falling out with the Nazis is given correctly.
It seems to me that the author simply made an error which the editor didn't catch. Nor did I until you pointed it out- thanks for that.
But the meaning is quite clear and consistent with the rest of the article. I think it adds to the very useful contributions made by Chung and Ehret.
The interesting aspect of the Bandera career for Canadians is that Krystia Freeland's grandfather, editing a Nazi paper in Cracow, I believe it was, will have taken the German side and supported Bandera's imprisonment. I wonder if Freeland's fans, waving their black and red scarves, and worshipping Bandera realise this?

Posted by: bevin | Apr 8 2022 1:51 utc | 255

""Everything else will be answered at War Crimes tribunal tentatively set to start in June, in Crimea."
karlofi@253

At which date NATO governments may regret not being able to put pressure on Russia's delegate at the UN Human Rights Committee. What looked so clever this morning, looks sick by nightfall.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 8 2022 1:56 utc | 256

@ Lysias | Apr 8 2022 1:40 utc | 252.. i don't know... good question though... a few of those high ups in usa and canada have a connection back to ukraine..

@ bevin | Apr 8 2022 1:51 utc | 255... last question... lets face it.. canucks don't have a clue for the most part... completely irrelevant at this point too..

Posted by: james | Apr 8 2022 1:58 utc | 257

bevin @255--

Thanks for your reply. I admit having ceased reading when I got to that error and moved on to catching up elsewhere having been away all day on other business. I'll give it another read tomorrow. Meanwhile, Hudson has a new essay at the Saker's detailing the EU's woes.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 2:00 utc | 258

confirmation:
bucha was Ukraine troops shooting civilians.

Russia occupied area and left, civilians were wearing white arm bands for alligence to Russian forces and to get food being handed out.

When Russia left area, civilians were still wearing armbands when Ukrainian Nazis reoccupied area and shot the civilians and tried to frame Russia

Posted by: scv | Apr 8 2022 2:01 utc | 259

@68, Paul Greenwood.

“How did the war burgs sit on the board of I G Farben making Zyklon B ?”

This smells like libel. Max Warburg divested and left Germany in 1938. Unless you have contrary, factual information, the Warburgs, to my knowledge, did not profit from Zyklon B.

“How was Luftwaffe General Milch of Jewish parentage ?”

You ask this question also about Ley. Where’s your evidence? Even assuming this were true, it was typical of those times: many people in Germany had Jewish heritage that they assiduously hid, not always successfully, from the relentless Nazi genealogists. Are you suggesting that Milch and Ley — by the way, the latter was an especially spittle-flecked Jew-hater — were Jewish agents?

“Why were early funders of NSDAP Jewish bankers ?”

Name them, please. And, again, even if there were some in the mix of the early Nazi funders, which you’ve merely asserted and haven’t proved, it wouldn’t mean much at all, because that would’ve been in keeping with broad bourgeois support for the Nazis, as a battering ram against workers, socialists, and communists.

The esrly funders of the Nazis were Swiss Germanophile Jew-haters and German national-conservative industrialists, big and small, and particularly in the Ruhr; plus shadowy Catholic interests and plenty of White Russians. If you’d like, I’ll supply the names. Thyssen is only one of the most well known.

Posted by: line islands | Apr 8 2022 2:04 utc | 260

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 7 2022 23:43 utc

re: UNSC Sec-Gen placed no blame after the UNSC emergency meeting, and has said that the Bucha affair needs to be investigated!

from AliceInWonderland: Sentence first—verdict afterwards!

H/T Hillery Clinton...What difference does it make?

H/T US Supremes 1886..."Corporations are persons" when they did not say that...the court-reporter did re 1886 SantaClara v Union Pacific RR.] It later became, by illogical extension, "Corporations are persons with the rights of persons".

What if human minds can be re-wired so that the owner cannot be blamed for the "new" owners "critical thinking"? See for example, hypnosis and implanted memory/associations. Is this where we are?

Posted by: chu teh | Apr 8 2022 2:06 utc | 261

I think really the jews have little to do with the subject of this thread.

If I were a troll wanting to disrupt the usually interesting and informative discussion that regularly occur on this site, I would probably introduce the subject of jewishness into the thread or maybe black jewish nazi uighers or some such thing.

But then I would need some numbskulls to follow my lead and take discussion off track.

Posted by: jared | Apr 8 2022 2:09 utc | 262

Posted by: bjd | Apr 7 2022 21:30 utc | 196

Thank you for your reply and the interesting additional information on Professor Israel Shahak and the Consortium News article.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 8 2022 2:10 utc | 263

“ I think really the jews have little to do with the subject of this thread.”

I didn’t bring up Jewish issues here. Paul Greenwood did that. And I won’t scroll by posts like his that reek of the worst kind of historical revisionism without a response.

Posted by: line islands | Apr 8 2022 2:12 utc | 264

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but...

U.S. is sending another shipment of kamikaze Switchblade drones, and Puma drones that work in tandem with the Switchblades, and night vision gear that will end up in Eastern Ukraine.

The Puma apparently does the surveillance, and the Switchblade attacks the target. I know nothing about weaponry, so just read the article.
Excerpt on the Puma:

It has a low-light camera and an advanced thermal imager, both with a powerful zoom capability. This makes it useful for night operations, where Ukrainian tactical drones have been highly successful due to the Russian lack of effective night vision gear.

hunter-killer-drone-team-us-switchblades pumas join ukraine war

These weapons together with geo-spatial intel are a big threat to Russian forces and maybe one of the reasons for high casualties. I don't know, but it could be.

So now, I need lots of great news, like the Russians are blowing up incoming foreign hardware including Ukie stuff all over the place. FGS, if it's coming in from Romania; go greet them at the border. Yesterday, Starstreak, today this. The Russians need to get rid of this U.S. and UK shit before Phase 2 officially starts. Ugh! I hate this.

Posted by: Circe | Apr 8 2022 2:12 utc | 265

Circe @265

Interesting. As for the high casualties…are they high? Russia has lost about 1,400 soldiers by last count. They had lost more than 400 just a few days into the war. I was under the impression that the majority of Russian casualties happened early on, especially in those units that went deep into Ukrainian territory with no artillery support or rear guard.

My sense is that Russian casualties are much lower, proportionately, in Mariupol and even on the eastern front than one would expect. The Ukrainians have lost in my view at least 10x and possibly 15x the amount of men the Russians have.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 8 2022 2:20 utc | 266

confirmation:
bucha was Ukraine troops shooting civilians.
Russia occupied area and left, civilians were wearing white arm bands for alligence to Russian forces and to get food being handed out.
When Russia left area, civilians were still wearing armbands when Ukrainian Nazis reoccupied area and shot the civilians and tried to frame Russia
Posted by: scv | Apr 8 2022 2:01 utc | 259

Something about this doesn't add up, why would Russia require white armbands to give aid to civilians? I didn't see that on any other aid videos. Also why wouldn't the civilians have taken them off after the Russians left since it was days later the Ukies came back wasn't it? Makes no sense. My take is that the UA's probably put the white armbands on the victims and left the Russian Aid bags there as well.

Posted by: K | Apr 8 2022 2:22 utc | 267

@ Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 1:39 utc | 251

War Crimes proceedings tentatively scheduled for June.

That is good news. Will be fun to hear the NY Times / Wapo take on that.

Posted by: jared | Apr 8 2022 2:22 utc | 268

Re: Jewish posts

I tend to agree with dang near everyone else here.
There are other places to complain about any boogeyman
you want. Try Unz. You’ll be buried in it.

And I don’t think the philosophy of MOA
nourishes Jewish conspiracies or hatred of any kind.
Hopefully the trolls will just move on when we don’t feed them.

Posted by: Cadence Calls | Apr 8 2022 2:23 utc | 269

line islands@264
Good! Well said.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 8 2022 2:42 utc | 270

I assume, and have for a long time, that everything the US gov says is complete bullshit. From the rigged election, to Covid to Ukraine. I find it astonishing how NBC lies about their lies. To get ahead of Putin? It's really a shame that liberal voting imbeciles will lap it up and I've seen that all over Twitter. It's massively frustrating.
I've been watching RT and CrossTalk faithfully through the Odysee app. It has a 24/7 RT livestream too..
Rumble and Bitchute also carry RT in case no one knows and is interested
What will the US do when President Putin is successful in denazifying and demilitarizing Ukraine?
I would love to see your analysis on that B! Im so grateful for your blog!!

Posted by: Kay | Apr 8 2022 2:57 utc | 271

Michael Hudson, in his latest, http://thesaker.is/the-dollar-devours-the-euro/ gives a hint as to why those Helicopter pilots kept trying to get into Mariupol.

"...So the Russian-speaking Donetsk and Luhansk regions were shelled with increasing intensity, and when Russia still refrained from responding, plans reportedly were drawn up for a great showdown to commence in late February – beginning with a blitzkrieg Western Ukrainian attack organized by U.S. advisors and armed by NATO..."

Obviously the NATO Generals who were going to direct the Blitzkrieg retreated to Mariupol but got no further. As someone suggested today they could such an embarrassment to the US government that there will be a temptation to tell their Azov minders to kill them and bury them, before they are captured by the Russian forces.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 8 2022 3:08 utc | 272

Circe | Apr 8 2022 2:12 utc | 265

So the US is providing state of the art combat/surveillance drones to the Ukraine - who is trained to operate such equipment?

In the Armenia-Azerbaijan war weren't some of the drone operators actually in Turkey? Technically then Turkey was a party to the conflict just based on that, no?

Sushi's post @244 about spies and lawful/unlawful combatants comes to mind. How close to the line of direct involvement does some of this monkey business in the background come? If US satellites and other aerial surveillance are being tasked with providing direct intelligence to the war front then don't such means become legitimate targets?

In the past when the US has done this (Yemen and the Iran/Iraq war come to mind) the combatants lacked the means to stop it.

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 8 2022 3:22 utc | 273

Thanks again to Ostro for the translation of Dimitri Medvedev's eulogy for Russian politician Zhirinovsky (may he R.I.P.).
Medvedev's character in western media has been cast as anaemic, occasionally intoxicated, and compromised by a personal hankering for western values that veers towards the Neo-liberal. After reading these speeches, I think differently. His speeches convey an exquisite sincerity and are very eloquent.
Russia holds the copyright for Beauty.

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Posted by: Australian lady | Apr 8 2022 3:39 utc | 274

If I were a troll wanting to disrupt the usually interesting and informative discussion that regularly occur on this site, I would probably introduce the subject of jewishness into the thread or maybe black jewish nazi uighers or some such thing.

But then I would need some numbskulls to follow my lead and take discussion off track.

Posted by: jared | Apr 8 2022 2:09 utc | 262

IDF admits aiding al-Qaeda in Syria https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20150318-israeli-army-admits-aiding-al-qaeda-in-syria/

Israeli Intel Chief: We Don’t Want ISIS Defeated In Syria https://www.mintpressnews.com/israeli-intel-chief-dont-want-isis-defeated-syria/217671/

EASTERN TURKISTAN ISLAMIC MOVEMENT | United Nations Security Council https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/sanctions/1267/aq_sanctions_list/summaries/entity/eastern-turkistan-islamic-movement/

Posted by: Laurence | Apr 8 2022 3:48 utc | 275

Russia holds the copyright for Beauty.
Posted by: Australian lady | Apr 8 2022 3:39 utc | 274

Don't they though? All the diplomats are so eloquent and well versed in world history and geo politics. Watching and listening to Russian leaders is a breath of fresh air after our boring brain dead Aussie pollies who almost can't even read an auto cue these days. The constant lying and repeating vacuous slogans erodes the pathways in their brains so that intelligent coherent speech is no longer possible. I can't remember an honest and truthful Australian leader, let alone any with the heart of the Russian diplomats. I probably sound like a fan, its hard not to be LOL. But I respect many foreign leaders and diplomats not just the Russians.

Posted by: K | Apr 8 2022 3:55 utc | 276

From Colonel Cassad's Telegraph channel:

According to Dmitry Peskov, the President of Russia discussed the course of the operation in Ukraine in the Security Council, and at the meeting "the need to actively counter information and other sabotage by the Ukrainian side, such as what happened in Bucha," was emphasized.

For some unknown reason, in acute situations, Russia is very fond of portraying an honest, but stupid girl. Ukraine is shameless, the West is cunning! Wow, what a discovery was made in 2022. “They can't…” - they can. Anything can.

There was exactly one way to prevent sabotage in Bucha: leave Bucha deep in the rear, force the Ukrainian side to organize "information and other sabotage" in Lutsk and Uzhgorod, or better, let them hide in Senegal (because it's scary in Warsaw) - and there information and other diversions are being prepared. We were appointed guilty of absolutely everything in advance and long ago. And in the harshest form: if an armored personnel carrier crushes a dog near Zhytomyr, they will tell you with caricature pathos that Pushkin and Sergius of Radonezh died near Zhytomyr, and the whole history of Russia only went to this. Even if you later explain with satellite images and testimonies in your hands that the dog was run over by a Ukrainian armored personnel carrier, this will be perceived as babble of justification. These are not the people who are ready to play with us by the rules. These are people who are waging a total war against us, on which what leads to their victory is moral, and what leads to ours is immoral.

The main way to "counter information sabotage" is not to surrender cities, but to attack and take them. If you remember, recently the Ukrainian Center for Information and Psychological Operations has seriously slowed down its activity. So, this did not happen because they became ashamed and realized that it was not good to lie.

This happened because a rocket landed on their heads.

Posted by: donten | Apr 8 2022 4:02 utc | 277

The only thing straight about Zelensky is his hair. The other day he was talking of his admiration of his Nazis fighting for his country then in an interview with Goswami of republic tv he insists on having talks with Putin. What is there to talk? The ground rules were already there. First de-nazification. Instead this fellow is desperately to pull the other one with bells on.

Posted by: Hutch | Apr 8 2022 4:13 utc | 278

Posted by: Mr Green Jeans | Apr 7 2022 17:55 utc | 153


Ukrainian soldiers killing Russian POWs. My God, this butchery has to stop! Russia is only there to disarm and de-nazify the corrupt Zionist-Nazi-Capitalist puppet regime and this is the thanks they get?

Don't you ever get tired of being a hypocrite and drowning in your own fake morality?

It's not the killing of the Russian POWS anyone cares about - they signed up for this.

The outrage is about this hypocrisy:

Those who claim 'The Laws of War' must be followed by the Russians are silent when they are violated by the Ukrainians. Why the double standard?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 8 2022 4:16 utc | 279

Posted by: K | Apr 7 2022 21:41 utc | 200


We used to happily accept the term Zionism here, can we go bak to that ? Its more honest and doesn't project hate against any ethnic, racial or societal group.

I'd support this terminology wholeheartedly.

One implication is that discussions of "The Protocols of Zion" can proceed with a clear conscious since the text is essentially about the plans and motivations of a ZIONIST Cabal, and not specifically about the Jews as an ethnic, national, pseudo-ethnic or religious group.

Hereafter I will use the collective term "Zionists" where some would use the term "Jew".

As an aside, I believe the book "The Protocols of Zion" needs to be updated with modern, politically correct terminology: All inadvertent and loose references to "Jews" needs to replaced with references to "Zionists".

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 8 2022 4:23 utc | 280

The main way to "counter information sabotage" is not to surrender cities, but to attack and take them. If you remember, recently the Ukrainian Center for Information and Psychological Operations has seriously slowed down its activity. So, this did not happen because they became ashamed and realized that it was not good to lie.

This happened because a rocket landed on their heads.

Posted by: donten | Apr 8 2022 4:02 utc | 277

😆

Posted by: Laurence | Apr 8 2022 4:28 utc | 281

"The cat is out of the bag. All one has to do is read Jewish newspapers - you find them on-line. Man -o,man do they boast of their supremacy."

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 7 2022 21:50 utc | 204
No cat is out. Only the fact that your brain flies deep.
I follow this platform since very long and paid regularly for it until with the civilization crisis, the Big Covid Cheat, b had lost his mind, in my judgement, and regularly censored contributions. Since long I pay for Craig Murray, like an abonnement.
As a German I am may be a bit more sensible against stupid antisemitic rants that I locate all to the disliked spectrum of the political right. Whether it shows up with a leftist claim or not I do not mind. They are an insult of any intelligence and taste.
The difference between Jews and Zionists I know and I oppose the many cases where any critique against the policy of Israel is silence with the "Judenkeule", like this would be anti-semitic.
But this does not make this rightist mindfuck better. If a person, let us assume a CEO of Goldman-Sachs, does evil things and gets criticized I do not want to read that he is a Jew, or a Catholic or whatever. Unless the author proves that he acts like this from his "Jewishness".
If such a proof is not given I rate such a guy as being a primitive idiot.
At least in Germany the former leftist subculture is been killed by suicide over Covid-19. Most of them, not all, are now fanatic scientizm followers with fascist-like attitudes against unvaccinated people. They cannot hold the candle to some American rightist Republicans like, e.g., the governor of Florida who forced PCR-testers to do that transparent (details must be given with the tests).
When the the-emperor-lost-his-clothes moment comes they have to put their self-esteem into the waste bin. The only partners left for them are the WEF people and the PPPs. Sad but true.
One conviction I must add. In case of conflict an independent brain is more important than the own political orientation. So any marxistic-leninistic approach cannot be my cup ot tea.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 8 2022 4:45 utc | 282

the pessimist @273
So the US is providing state of the art combat/surveillance drones to the Ukraine - who is trained to operate such equipment?

It can be done in Poland. It will take some time. The equipment and the trainers are probably already in place.
I came across this article...
Florida National Guard troops ordered out of Ukraine by SECDEF
The article speaks for itself. I am sure they were not the only US unit inside Ukraine prior to Russia's move. Also...

53rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team set to deploy to Ukraine
JMTG-U is the place where the mercenaries were training that was struck by Russian missiles on the border of Poland. The Yavoriv Combat Training Center.

JOINT MULTINATIONAL TRAINING GROUP-UKRAINE
Also see:
https://www.nato.int/structur/nmlo/links/yavoriv-training-centre.pdf

Posted by: circumspect | Apr 8 2022 4:46 utc | 283

WARNING: LONG POST!

Skipping past all the "Jews" nonsense...

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 7 2022 16:11 utc | 108

The book "US Intelligence and the Nazis" is also available for easy PDF download here at Z-Library: https://u1lib.org/book/694426/6265dd

The second book is also available there:
Hitler's Shadow: Nazi War Criminals, U.S. Intelligence, and the Cold War
https://u1lib.org/book/1243342/ca7b7b

Note that Z-Library has a daily download limit of 5 for visitors without an account, up to 10 with an account, and up to 30 a month with a paid account. Using a VOPN and switching servers avoids the limits.

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov’s comment on the new draft agreement presented by the Ukrainian side, Moscow, April 7, 2022
https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/1808356/

tl;dr Russians Refuse

Yesterday, the Ukrainian side presented its draft agreement to the negotiating group. It shows a departure from the most important provisions included in the document signed by head of the Ukrainian delegation David Arakhamia at the meeting in Istanbul on March 29 of this year.

In that document, the Ukrainians clearly said that future security guarantees for Ukraine would not apply to Crimea or Sevastopol. This clear statement, however, is absent from yesterday's draft. Instead, it includes some vague phrasing about “effective control” as of February 23 of this year.

In addition, it floats an idea that the problems of Crimea and Donbass should be discussed at a meeting between the presidents of Russia and Ukraine. Moreover, President Vladimir Zelensky has repeatedly stated that such a meeting is possible only after the cessation of hostilities. For sure, at the next round, the Ukrainian side will ask for the withdrawal of troops and will add more preconditions. This intention is clear; this is unacceptable.

I would like to remind the other side that after Istanbul, in response to a glint of realism in the Ukrainian approach, the Russian armed forces de-escalated operations on the Kiev-Chernigov track as a gesture of goodwill and to expedite the progress towards an agreement. What we got in response was a provocation in Bucha, with the West immediately taking advantage of it to announce a new portion of sanctions, as well as Ukrainian neo-Nazis committing atrocities against Russian prisoners of war.

Another major point is that the document signed by David Arakhamia clearly stated that in the context of Ukraine's non-nuclear and neutral status outside any blocs, any military exercises involving foreign personnel could only be held with the consent of all guarantor states, including Russia. However, the draft agreement we received yesterday also includes a different line, replacing that unambiguous provision. It provides for the possibility of conducting exercises with the consent of the majority of guarantor states without any mention of Russia. This kind of difficult negotiating approach has become all too frequent. It shows Kiev’s true intentions and its policy of dragging out negotiations or even disrupting them by deviating from the understandings reached. We view this as a manifestation of the Kiev regime being controlled by Washington and its allies, who are pushing President Vladimir Zelensky to continue hostilities.

Despite all the provocations, the Russian delegation will continue the negotiation process, promoting our draft agreement, which spells out all the key positions and demands very clearly and in full.

And RT's report (not even going to bother with a link):

Russia accuses Ukraine of backpedaling in peace talks

Ukraine's new written proposals on how to resolve the ongoing armed conflict with Russia deviate from what it submitted during the latest round of in-person talks in Turkey, last week, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said on Thursday. Ukraine apparently wants to stall for time and continue the hostilities, the veteran official claimed, adding that he believes the US may have a hand in this shift.

The new proposal, which Lavrov said was sent by Ukraine on Wednesday, fails to mention that the security guarantees Kiev wants to obtain from leading world powers do not cover Crimea, he said.

Russia has considered Crimea part of its territory since 2014, when the former Ukrainian region voted to break away in response to Western-backed Maidan in Kiev. Most of the world still recognises the peninsula as part of Ukraine.

Instead of the explicit exclusion of Crimea from the proposed security arrangement, the new document has “vague wording about an effective control,” Lavrov said. Kiev wants to discuss the issue during a future bilateral meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky, he added.

The Russian foreign minister stressed that the status of Crimea was not up for discussion in any way.

Another deviation comes in the part that describes Ukraine’s commitment to restrict joint exercises with foreign powers on its territory, Lavrov also outlined. The previous version said such drills would only be possible if all nations guaranteeing Ukraine’s security agree to them, including Russia. The new version says a “majority of guarantors” must give their permission and does not mention Russia, Lavrov said.

The deviations from Kiev’s previous draft, which was delivered during talks in Istanbul, Turkey last week, exposed Kiev’s “true intentions” of stalling and undermining the peace process, Lavrov said.

Biden once again threatens to send the US to war in Ukraine...

Biden jokes about expanded fight with Russia: 'If I gotta go to war, I'm going with you guys'
Biden tells union workers, 'This fight is far from over'
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-jokes-war-russia-ukraine-union-sanctions

"This fight is far from over," Biden said. "Here's the point: This war could continue for a long time, but the United States will continue to stand with Ukraine and the Ukrainian people in their fight for freedom."

"And by the way, if I gotta go to war I'm going with you guys. I mean it," he added.

"I mean it"... But the headline says, "Biden jokes"...

So much for the US Air Forces's "hypersonic missiles"...

Air Force delays hypersonic missile program after flight test 'anomalies'
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/07/politics/air-force-hypersonic-missile-program-delay/index.html

The AGM-183 Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon (ARRW) was supposed to reach early operational capability, an important milestone in weapon testing and development, before October. But following a series of failures in flight tests last year, the Air Force postponed the first test of the complete missile and booster to sometime in the next fiscal year, which begins in October. More tests will follow later in the year, the Air Force said.

Richard medhurst interviews Scott Ritter about Bucha and being banned from Twitter:

What EXACTLY Happened in Bucha? | ft. Scott Ritter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klPYYqhqO74

Andrei Martyanov's Youtube video today is very good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8a_e09FvXA

For those who want to understand how Russia fights wars, he references a book called "The Russian Way of War - Force Structure, Tactics, and Modernization of the Russian Ground Forces" by Dr. Lester W. Grau and Charles K. Bartles from the Foreign Military Studies Office in 2016, of the US DoD. You can download the PDF free from here.

Martyanov also discusses the state of Ukraine's military-industrial complex, which he believes has been mostly destroyed and will continue to be destroyed by Russia. He also admits that he cannot rule out that Russia will take over all of Ukraine, as opposed to the various partitioning schemes. He again emphasizes that no one knows Russia's plan for Ukraine except Putin and his team. This is one of his better videos to date.

Martyanov also references on his blog a post by Byron King of Investor Intel:
Russia Deploys the Gold Weapon
https://investorintel.com/markets/gold-silver-base-metals/gold-precious-metals-intel/russia-deploys-the-gold-weapon/

Here’s the takeaway. Russia’s central bank will pay 5,000 rubles per gram of gold, and this sets a hard, new price floor. The dollar-ruble rate has tightened, and Russia has now created a new gold standard for the world, backed by its natural gas if not its oil, minerals, agriculture and other exports, all under cover and protection of Russia’s well-known nuclear weapons complex.

It’s worth noting that Russia has been planning this move for many years (with China in concert, more than likely). All of this didn’t just sort of happen. But here we are, and it’s not the time or place to recriminate.

Predictions: Gold-backed rubles will strengthen. While ongoing inflation trends in dollars will weaken the U.S. currency. All this while few people in the West truly understand the basic idea that “gold is money.”

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 8 2022 5:03 utc | 284

Serbia Voted for Russian Expulsion From UNHRC Over Threat of Sanctions – Vucic - 08.04.2022, Sputnik International https://sputniknews.com/20220408/serbia-voted-for-russian-expulsion-from-unhrc-over-threat-of-sanctions--vucic-1094574371.html

"Serbia, Israel, and Turkey were among those that supported the move to suspend Russia from the body." https://sputniknews.com/20220407/biden-applauds-un-vote-to-suspend-russia-from-hrc-but-ignores-nationalists-crimes-in-ukraine-1094573048.html

Posted by: Laurence | Apr 8 2022 5:26 utc | 285

Russian Ambassador to the UN Vassily Nebenzia repeatedly pointed out that Ukrainian forces and radicals are responsible for abuses of civilians and POWs, as well as violations of humanitarian agreements. He also said Russia should not have withdrawn its forces from the town of Bucha in light of the alleged atrocities that emerged after their pullout.

"Now we’re seeing blatantly criminally staged events with Ukrainian civilians killed by their own radicals … those killed in the areas from which the Russian forces withdrew after encouraging peace negotiations in Istanbul. Now it turns out that we shouldn’t have withdrawn. I’m talking about Bucha first and foremost," the diplomat said.

Posted by: Laurence | Apr 8 2022 5:30 utc | 286

Don Bacon #191

Perhaps we need a Jew thread?

I think we need a bit more open mind or resilient mind.

I posted something a while ago from moonofshanghai that caused upset among some. In retrospect I should have included a hazard sign. But the site analysis was good on the subject for those with enough capacity to transpose the word 'oligarch' or 'zionazi' for that writers penchant to slap the J word liberally.

I am a wide reader and equally dislike the J abuse term but I don't let that prevent me from considering subject and logic etc in what I read. Clearly others have issues here. But I dread to think we will descend into the 'antisemitic' hysteria of self silencing that abounds in the UK

Resilience and flexible interpretive capacity is essential in these times. IMO lets just drop the repetitive and frankly boring censorial tone and respect each other to rise beyond the occasional transgression of others sensitivity.

Next time I post something from a provocative site I will remember to include a hazard warning :/

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 8 2022 5:37 utc | 287

@ RSH # 284 with the Ukraine updates...thanks

It certainly reads like there are lots of things going on that can be construed as negative within specific contexts. Because the military activity in Ukraine has not completed, therefore it must be failing....BS I do believe there is some international timing of events that is yet to have all the pieces in position

Biden is a sicker face of America than Trump, the bully, which I didn't think was possible and I wonder what is next for this shit show farce.....

I am intrigued as others if NATO military are trapped or have been captured and hope more comes out soon....will the top military let some of its peer folks be cannon fodder for this war?

Yes, go long ruble and yuan

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 8 2022 5:38 utc | 288

From Martyanov's blog:

Larchmonter445 • a day ago
News from my source in Crimea. NATO and US captured are in Krim and are being interrogated. War Crimes proceedings tentatively scheduled for June.

He may have posted more today. I have yet to look.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 1:39 utc | 251

If true, they should simply be IDed and then paraded before the cameras as a matter of the highest urgency.

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 8 2022 5:42 utc | 289

"To be 'cured' against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

- C. S. Lewis

Posted by: Cynica | Apr 7 2022 14:21 utc | 64

He was doing well down to there (although I question the satiability of the "robber baron"), but all five assertions in the above statement are false:

Someone can just be wrong, dangerously wrong, like an alcoholic, a pedophile, or "Typhoid Mary."

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 8 2022 5:52 utc | 290

Biden is a sicker face of America than Trump, the bully, which I didn't think was possible and I wonder what is next for this shit show farce.....

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 8 2022 5:38 utc | 288

President Kamala "Deer in the Headlights"/"Word-Salad" Harris.

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 8 2022 5:59 utc | 291

to psychohistorian | Apr 8 2022 5:38 utc | 288
"Biden is a sicker face of America than Trump, the bully, which I didn't think was possible and I wonder what is next for this shit show farce....."

I was thinking the same recently, american imperialism is worse under Biden and these frigging neo-con sociopaths like Sullivan/Blinken/Nuland than under Trump/Pompeo by several degrees, and we are hurtling toward.....

what's next?
Eco-cataclysm or World War III

anybody here read up on the state of the planet Earth recently, like reading this, their 6th and most dire assessment:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/03/04/climate-breakdown-2/
"...The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change –IPCC- has issued its direst warning of all-time: “Climate breakdown is accelerating rapidly.” Additionally, they readily admit to overly conservative predictions: “Many impacts will be more severe than originally predicted".....”

overly conservative predictions... NOW they tell us!!

Trump or Biden/Harris, Dem or Rep, don't make a damn bit of difference as far as I'm concerned

the planet is (almost) totally f*cked

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 8 2022 6:24 utc | 292

Unlawful Combatants
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 1:25 utc | 247


Based on the info provided, NATO trainers would be unlawful combatants and make their nations belligerents. Is that how you read it?

Hello Karl:

First, this is all speculation as their presence has yet to be confirmed.

I think much will depend on how any NATO personnel explain their association with Ukraine in general and with the AZOV battalion in particular.

With the respect to a claim as "trainers" I expect them to be asked why they did not depart Ukraine when their own nations requested all citizens to depart. They clearly had repeated opportunity to attempt an exit; instead of departing they followed AZOV as it became compressed within an ever smaller perimeter in Mariople.

The next question would concern their role as "trainers." I believe there is a difference between conducting a training mission prior to the outbreak of hostilities and continuing that same mission during the conflict. If they assisted in the killing of RF personnel by aiming weapons systems, or directing others in the use of those weapons systems, then they may be culpable of murder. A regulated, state directed military, is permitted to engage in armed conflict and to kill. Non-combatants must obey the statute law.

A non-combatant found to have assisted in the killing of combatants, or directing others to do so, will likely face serious charges.

If they explain their presence as being for the purpose of collecting information they may be charged as conducting espionage. Again this is a serious charge.

Another series of questions concern when they arrived in Ukraine, the tasks they were to perform, where and with whom did they work? It is possible they may be seen as provoking the conflict, that the nation to which they belong was active in instigating the conflict, or provoking RF to act. If they had a prolonged association with Ukrainian forces they will have been aware of the shelling of non-combatants in Donbass. Citizens are not legitimate targets. Participating in an attack upon the Donbass citizens is itself a war crime.

I think the RF will tap-dance around some of these questions. If the evidence and testimony supports the host nation being covertly engaged in belligerent conduct then the RF has a casus belli against that nation. I doubt Russia wants to expand the conflict. I do see the RF being handed a means to counter the noxious western propaganda. Once they fully assess the circumstance it is expected the RF will proceed with dignified public legal proceedings in some form of military tribunal.

Much also depends on the nationality of the personnel. Given the reports Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff General Milley placed multiple calls to RF leaders I suspect US involvement. Macron acted similarly and French berets have been found.

Cheers!

Posted by: Sushi | Apr 8 2022 6:29 utc | 293

A non-combatant found to have assisted in the killing of combatants, or directing others to do so, will likely face serious charges.

You have clearly lived a very sheltered life and steered well clear of libraries or analysis of treaties and conventions, but........had you chosen to read Hague or Geneva Conventions you might have noticed...........

There are NO "non-combatants" involved in "combat"

It is one of those definitional situations which are tautological in fact.

If you put a weapon in a house you are a combatant. If you hide behind Dutch UN Peacekeepers and fire from behind them at your enemy - both the UN Peacekeepers and anyone around you is a legitimate target (not of course for mass-execution upon surrender)

So there are simple "charges" and they emanate from the barrel of a gun or an artillery tube

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 8 2022 6:38 utc | 294

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 8 2022 6:24 utc | 292

overly conservative predictions... NOW they tell us!!

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Anyone who followed the IPCC reports starting with the first in 1990 was painfully aware the IPCC was pulling its punches and downplaying or deliberatly under-estimating the potential adverse effects.

It was understood that an extremely conservative position was being followed. The state was providing funding, no one wanted to address the threat to BAU economies, no one wanted to alarm the public. A significant dfference between the 1990 approach and the recent pandemic response which was the total opposite.


Posted by: Sushi | Apr 8 2022 6:39 utc | 295

Unlawful Combatants
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 1:25 utc | 247

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Why sit on information that could change the course of the French elections?

Posted by: too scents | Apr 8 2022 6:45 utc | 296

If true, they should simply be IDed and then paraded before the cameras as a matter of the highest urgency.

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 8 2022 5:42 utc | 289

You must contact the scriptwriters and give your input for the next series !

I think GRU and FSB know full well how to deal with spies and saboteurs. These captives have no status having been captured on the battlefield aiding the enemy. Since their employers have not declared them AWOL or Deserters it is hard to gauge their intent in being complicit in war crimes.

How confident one might be in the so-called ICC in The Hague where Karim Khan, an Ahmadi Muslim from UK is Chief Prosecutor, is in doubt so presumably these captives will need to be detained indefinitely in some secure facility in Norilsk or Magadan. More important is their debriefing

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 8 2022 6:45 utc | 297

A concerning question:
Recently we see Russia break from the West, but there was talk that Putin was a Davos man, and he's fulfilling the right script for the NWO.
Is this true?
Is China elite also in the pocket to enable the NWO?

Posted by: Sub | Apr 8 2022 6:53 utc | 298

One would also like to know the nationalities of the chopper-pilots that flew that first long earth-hugging route into Mariupol.

Very complex and dangerous, requiring great skill.

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 8 2022 7:23 utc | 299

Wtf is everyone on about? Jews make up 99% of Biden's cabinet. 99% media/porn CEOs. Hollywood. Newspapers. Banks. Bankrupt cultural revolution of the 60s that have led to burned-out ideological hippies that are instructing our youth in academia about gay rights in Africa and Russia and feminism in Afghanistan and why whites should go die for these causes abroad

ADL and SPLC have for the past 50 years sought to foment a race war to court the black vote away from the Nationalists. Why? Because Jews know that a Nationalist America is a Christian one where usury and their abuses have trouble taking root.

But certainly no Jewish question! That is just poor taste! Let us get back to our pornography!

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 8 2022 7:24 utc | 300

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