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April 07, 2022

U.S. 'Intelligence' Says Its 'Intelligence' Is Bullshit

U.S. 'intelligence' folks tell their stenographers at NBC News that their obvious lies are obvious lies.


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That announced 'break with the past' of faking 'intelligence' happened when?

How 'rock solid' was the 'intelligence' about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction or chemical weapons attacks in Douma, Syria?

U.S. 'intelligence', then and now, is pure imagination for the purpose of deceiving the U.S. and 'western' public about the reality of this or that conflict:

It was an attention-grabbing assertion that made headlines around the world: U.S. officials said they had indications suggesting Russia might be preparing to use chemical agents in Ukraine.

President Joe Biden later said it publicly. But three U.S. officials told NBC News this week there is no evidence Russia has brought any chemical weapons near Ukraine. They said the U.S. released the information to deter Russia from using the banned munitions.

Unlike the U.S. Russia no longer has any 'banned munitions':

The OPCW’s inspection teams have verified the destruction at seven chemical weapons destruction facilities in the Russian Federation. On 27 September 2017, the last of these facilities, located in Kizner, officially concluded its operations.

With the total elimination of Russia’s declared chemical weapons programme, 96.3 per cent of all chemical weapon stockpiles declared by possessor States have been destroyed under OPCW verification.

That is why the U.S. 'intelligence' claim of a potential use of Russian chemical weapons was obvious nonsense from the get go:

It’s one of a string of examples of the Biden administration’s breaking with recent precedent by deploying declassified intelligence as part of an information war against Russia. The administration has done so even when the intelligence wasn’t rock solid, officials said, to keep Russian President Vladimir Putin off balance. Coordinated by the White House National Security Council, the unprecedented intelligence releases have been so frequent and voluminous, officials said, that intelligence agencies had to devote more staff members to work on the declassification process, scrubbing the information so it wouldn’t betray sources and methods.

Sure, devote more people for the 'declassification process' of creating mere fantasies or for the the reproduction of public sources:

Just this week, national security adviser Jake Sullivan stood at the White House podium and read out what officials said was more declassified intelligence, asserting that Russia’s pullout from areas around Kyiv wasn’t a retreat but a strategic redeployment that signals a significant assault on eastern and southern Ukraine, one that U.S. officials believe could be a protracted and bloody fight.

That 'declassified intelligence' Sullivan read out was the copy of a public announcement the Ministry of Defense of Russia had made on March 30:

Planned regrouping of troops in Kiev and Chernigov directions is underway.

The first stage of the special military operation conducted by the Russian Armed Forces in Donbas and Ukraine was planned to force the enemy to concentrate its forces, means, resources and military equipment to hold on to high populated areas in these directions, including Kiev. To bring them down on the battlefield and, without storming these cities to avoid civilian casualties, inflict such a defeat on the armed formations of the Kiev regime that it would not be able to use these forces in the main direction of our Armed Forces in Donbass.

All these goals have been met.

At the same time, the Russian army also solved another task, namely - in the absence of an inflow of fresh enemy forces from the western and central regions of Ukraine, through professional military action, using the absolute air dominance it had gained, also using modern high-precision weapons - to create all the necessary conditions for the final stage of the operation to liberate the People's Republics of Donbass.
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Thus, all the main tasks of the Russian Armed Forces in Kiev and Chernigov directions have been completed.

The objective of the regrouping of the Russian Armed Forces is to intensify action in priority areas and, above all, to complete the operation for the total liberation of Donbass.

To claim that official public announcement by the Russian military are 'declassified intelligence' is of course bullshit. But NBC News stenographers won't tell you that. Instead we get more of this nonsense:

Multiple U.S. officials acknowledged that the U.S. has used information as a weapon even when confidence in the accuracy of the information wasn’t high. Sometimes it has used low-confidence intelligence for deterrent effect, as with chemical agents, and other times, as an official put it, the U.S. is just “trying to get inside Putin’s head.”

Does anyone believe that Putin gives a f*** about U.S. 'intelligence' claims?

No:

Some officials believe, however, that trying to get into Putin’s head is a meaningless exercise, because he will do what he wants regardless.
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The biggest success of the U.S. information offensive may have been delaying the invasion itself by weeks or months, which officials believe they did with accurate predictions that Russia intended to attack, based on definitive intelligence.

Those 'accurate predictions' included the false claims that Russia would invade the Ukraine on February 11, February 14 and February 16:

The noise has become deafening.

> The U.S. intelligence briefing included specific reference to next Wednesday, February 16, as a start date for the ground invasion, three officials — based in Washington, London and Ukraine — told POLITICO. <

'Could' is doing a lot of work in those headlines.

Can we get it a bit more precise?

1am or 3am?

Which is it?

And in what timezone?

In fact, Russia had not decided to invade Ukraine at that time. The decision was most likely made after February 19, after the Ukrainian military had intensified its bombardment of Donbas and after the Ukrainian president Zelinsky had threatened to acquire nuclear weapons:

Starting in mid February the OSCE observers around Donbas noted in their daily reports a strong increase in ceasefire violation and explosions.


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Most of the violations came from the Ukrainian site and the explosions of the fired shells and missile happened on Donbas held grounds. On February 19, at the hight of the fire, Zelensky gave a speech at the Munich Security Conference. He prominently mentioned the Budapest Memorandum under which the Ukraine had given up the nuclear weapons it had inherited from the USSR:

".. Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt."

One of the package decisions Ukraine took in 1994 was the entering of Ukraine into the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

Russia understood Zelensky's remark in Munich as a threat by Ukraine to acquire nuclear weapons. It already has the expertise, materials and means to do that.

A fascist controlled government with nukes on Russia's border? This is not about Putin at all. No Russian government of any kind could ever condone that.

I believe that this credible threat, together with the artillery preparations for a new war on Donbas, was what convinced Russia's government to intervene by force.

The Russian military operation was clearly provoked. It started on February 24, months after U.S. 'intelligence' had falsely warned of an 'imminent' attack, eight days AFTER Ukrainian artillery preparations to attack Donbas had begun, five days AFTER Zelinsky's nuclear speech and two days AFTER the U.S. and its allies had implemented unprecedented sanctions against Russia.

NBC News, as well as other western outlets, allow themselves to be abused by presenting U.S. 'intelligence' claims they know are outright lies:

Game or not, U.S. intelligence officials say it has been successful. Intelligence is rarely definitive, and Biden officials have calculated in some cases that it’s better to pre-empt something that might not happen, rather than stay silent and watch it unfold.

“It doesn’t have to be solid intelligence when we talk about it,” a U.S. official said. “It’s more important to get out ahead of them — Putin specifically — before they do something. It’s preventative. We don’t always want to wait until the intelligence is 100 percent certainty that they are going to do something. We want to get out ahead to stop them.”

Edged on by the 'intelligence' community the 'western' media 'get ahead' and produce one lie after the other.

Here they are, reporting on some scruffy cat in Bucha, a town that had seen five weeks of intense front-line fighting.


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The recently sensationalized mass graves in Bucha were of its Volkssturm 'civilian defenders' and of Russian soldiers deceased there. They were dug on March 12 and had nothing to do with the recent pull back of Russian forces. Some carefully filmed bodies in the streets of Bucha have likely been casualties of weeks old Ukrainian artillery strikes. Others bound and killed there, likely by Ukrainian Azov fascists, were wearing white arm bands identifying them as neutral to Russian forces.

Only rarely do we get insight from 'western' media of what the people on the ground in Ukraine really feel:

8:58 6 Apr - In eastern Ukraine, some don't blame Putin for the war
Jonathan Beale, BBC News, Donbas

We visited the town of Lysychansk, about a mile from the front line. It's one of many residential areas to have been hit by Russian artillery over the past few days.
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A Ukrainian soldier led us through the mostly-deserted streets to an underground shelter.

Inside in a gloomy room we talked to two old women, who were trying to keep warm in front of an electric fire.

We asked them who they thought was responsible for shelling their town - astonishingly, neither blamed Russia or President Vladimir Putin. They thought their grim situation was as much the fault of Ukraine and President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Whenever such rare reality reports, like the above or this one, come out, they get buried in an overwhelming stream of 'intelligence' bullshit and pro-war propaganda:

A video posted online on Monday and verified by The New York Times appears to show a group of Ukrainian soldiers killing captured Russian troops outside a village west of Kyiv.

“He’s still alive. Film these marauders. Look, he’s still alive. He’s gasping,” a man says as a Russian soldier with a jacket pulled over his head, apparently wounded, is seen still breathing. A soldier then shoots the man twice. After the man keeps moving, the soldier shoots him again, and he stops.

At least three other apparent Russian soldiers, including one with an obvious head wound who has his hands tied behind his back, can be seen dead near the victim. All are wearing camouflage, and three have white arm bands commonly worn by Russian troops. Equipment is scattered around them and there are blood stains near each man’s head.

For every atrocity Ukrainian troops and militia commit U.S. 'intelligence' will create five or more fairy tales of 'Russian atrocities' which the media, well knowing that such claims are likely false, will lap up and repeat.

The only advice one can give in such a situation is to always assume that it is the exact opposite of what any 'intelligence' claims that is actually happening.

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@ Paul Greenwood | Apr 8 2022 6:45 utc | 297
What to with possible NATO operative
caught embedded with Ukrainian Army?

Could quietly exchange them with Skripals.

Posted by: Iain | Apr 8 2022 7:37 utc | 301

Yesterday Ze fucked up his gigs in the Greece' and Cyprus' parliaments. He brought in Azov nazis, probably wanted to engage sympathy with presenting Greek mercenaries. But MPs of different parties weren't amused. People in Greece know what Azov is about. One of the nazis was masked, major affront to the Greece' parliaments' rules. Ze ignored long-time occupation of half of Cyprus in his speech. Not a smart move. Probably didn't want to mess with Turkey.
Complete PR disaster for him. Many left the meeting, in Cyprus not even lukewarm applause for courtesy.

Article in German:
https://www.heise.de/tp/features/Selenskyj-schleust-Rechtsextremisten-ins-griechische-Parlament-6666611.html?seite=all

Posted by: Moses | Apr 8 2022 7:39 utc | 302

A sign of the times.

Russian models cut up Chanel handbags, claiming ‘Russophobia’:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cb9yx1klJWc/?utm_source=ig_embed&utm_campaign=embed_video_watch_again

Posted by: Paul | Apr 8 2022 7:45 utc | 303

I've always felt that what this site really needs is more cat pictures.

Posted by: MFB | Apr 8 2022 7:46 utc | 304

NemesisCalling | Apr 8 2022 7:24 utc | 300

Idiocy calling. But one helpful tip: hearsay, but all members of said cabinet have 2 legs.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 8 2022 7:50 utc | 305

Andrei Martyanov weighs in with his theory of why the Russians simply won't pick up the phone anymore when the US military high command comes calling.

The lack of communication may one day become a critical factor in this war in the Ukraine, or some future war, with Nato perhaps.... But the US, the UK, and Nato have no one to blame but themselves - which of course they never do! That's why they are always projecting onto other peoples/nations their own crimes against humanity, etc. So little self-reflection about so many crimes


https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2022/04/may-i-forward-theory.html

"Pentagon complains and it is good that they do, because I am all for both militaries to keeping in touch. As I said, I feel much safer when Gerasimov and Milley talk to each-other, than when even Lavrov talks to Blinken....

....The core of Western propaganda in the last 8 years was this idea, projection really (Dresden, Tokyo, Hiroshima, Nagasaki) of shelling indiscriminately civilian areas of Donbass and now, with the start of combat operations of February 24, shelling and killing own Ukrainian civilians all over the place--all is well documented. Moreover, using them as a human shield has become a trade mark of VSU, which, for the last 8 years, was, and you already guessed it, "trained", armed and advised by primarily US and UK military personnel. US also provides assistance in terms of communications and some C2 and ISR to VSU.

Moreover, discovery of bioweapons labs in Ukraine which operated under the auspices of Pentagon just adds weight to Russian decision not to talk to people who lost all remnants of honor and are, in fact, main facilitators, together with State Department and intel organizations of the wholesale crimes against humanity and war crimes in Donbass and Ukraine as a whole....

....Russians do not negotiate or communicate with those who view it normal to use civilians as human shield and develop bioweapons, including confirmed mass cases of testing them on humans.
...At present, there is nobody who can set the United States right. That is why Russians are not talking anymore. This is just a theory."

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 8 2022 7:52 utc | 306

Could quietly exchange them with Skripals.

Posted by: Iain | Apr 8 2022 7:37 utc | 301

You assume the Skripals still live.

If the Skripals were not willing participants of the plot, but just its victims, whatever use they had ended long ago. They were successfuly disappeared from the public eye, so why go to the trouble of keeping tem alive?

And I think the scandal around the Skripals would be just as big as the scandal around NATO operatives. It won't happen in any case.

Posted by: Martina | Apr 8 2022 8:00 utc | 307

Posted by: Moses | Apr 8 2022 7:39 utc | 302

"S"elensky is a drug addict. His mind is fried. He's just a little puppet running here and there, getting instructions from the puppet masters. Biden is no different. He's put on script and runs with it, if he can remember.

"Netanyahu’s answer is simple: “America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction.” This is what he said in 2001, while assuring Israeli settlers that Israel could destroy the Palestinian Authority and continue with illegal settlement building, regardless of the US position.

In his view, America is gullible, and in the rare case when its government plays hardball, Israel can deploy its influential lobby to whip it into submission."
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/5/20/why-netanyahu-thinks-america-is-stupid

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 8 2022 8:01 utc | 308

@Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 8 2022 7:24 utc | 300

See below, now STFU with your bigoted bullshit.

Biden Cabinet (25 position, 1 open, 6 Jewish): 25% of occupied position Jewish

- Joe Biden (non-Jew); Kamala Harris (non-Jew); Anthony Blinken (Jew); Janet Yellen (Jew); Lloyd Austin (non-Jew); Merrick Garland (Jew); Deb Haaland (non-Jew); Tom Vilsack (non-Jew); Gina Raimondo (non-Jew); Marty Walsh (non-Jew); Xavier Becerra (non-Jew); Marcia Fudge (non-Jew); Pete Buttigieg (non-Jew); Jennifer Granholm (non-Jew); Miguel Cardona (non-Jew); Denis McDonough (non-Jew); Alejandro Mayorkas (Jew); Shalanda Young (non-Jew); Avril Haines (Jew); Katherine Tai (non-Jew) Linda Thomas-Greenfield (non-Jew); Cecilia Rouse (non-Jew)Isabel Guzman (non-Jew); Ron Klein (Jewish)

Posted by: Roger | Apr 8 2022 8:05 utc | 309

A friend brought Her Spiegal's reporting alleging intercepts of Russian soldiers murdering civilians to my attention earlier today. Here was my response:

More tenditious crap.

How could this possibly benefit Russia or it's soldiers? Particularly those whose task was solely to tie down Ukrainian forces and who had good relations with the villagers. None of the limited information available fits the time line. See the Scott Ritter interview or my extended timeline. In fact, all of the evidence, space though it is, points the other way. It is evident that the Ukraine is actively engaged in fabricating such dubious claims to try to distract from and lessen the impact of unimpeachable evidence that the Ukraine is acting barbarously and committing war crimes on a continuous basis.

What close inspection shows is that what we actually see, if we ignore the smoke, mirrors, dancing girls and a politician playing the media even more smoothly than his penis plays the piano, is speculation about the interpretation of unavailable alleged discussions supposedly intercepted between unidentified parties from anonymous intelligence sources crafted to fit a narrative being presented as "evidence" by a right wing media outlet.

Rationally, if I had wanted to fake this, I could do it in a heartbeat - without needing government resources and without using a script. So could the Ukraine fake it? Indubitably. All it would take would be a radio and a couple of Russian speakers. Do I need to remind you that everyone in Ukraine speaks Russian, no matter what the Ukrainians may say?

Posted by: Hermit | Apr 8 2022 8:38 utc | 310

michaelj72 | Apr 8 2022 7:52 utc | 306

"Andrei Martyanov weighs in with his theory of why the Russians simply won't pick up the phone anymore when the US military high command comes calling...

"Moreover, discovery of bioweapons labs in Ukraine which operated under the auspices of Pentagon just adds weight to Russian decision not to talk to people who lost all remnants of honor and are, in fact, main facilitators, together with State Department and intel organizations of the wholesale crimes against humanity and war crimes in Donbass and Ukraine as a whole....

....Russians do not negotiate or communicate with those who view it normal to use civilians as human shield and develop bioweapons, including confirmed mass cases of testing them on humans...
Russians are not willing anymore. If they, in Pentagon, don't understand the reasons and morality behind Russian military not willing to communicate, they better start learning Russian military history of the 20th century and I mean the real one, not BS by Beavor, Ziemke, Pipes and this kind of "historians".
...At present, there is nobody who can set the United States right. That is why Russians are not talking anymore. This is just a theory."

That's interesting, after all the pompous lectures we get from armchair diplomats about how "the Russians always talk to everyone at all times". Evidently not all Russians in responsible positions are so indiscriminate, but actually are capable of agency as to deciding when talking can be constructive, when it's not, and when it's likely to be downright harmful. Of course I already knew that from my study of both world wars, in neither of which were the Russians always desperately trying to "talk".

Now if only the political leadership could see the state of play as clearly and with the same resolve to see things through as the military leadership.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 8 2022 8:48 utc | 311

Posted by: Iain | Apr 8 2022 7:37 utc | 301

Why would Russia want Skripals ??????? Only Yulia is a Russian Citizen, her father is naturalised British. They are probably dead like the cat and cremated in Porton Down. They are irrelevant. They have gone the way of Dr David Kelly who also did not get an inquest.

Any NATO captives can disappear into Norilsk or Magadan like many US captives from Korean War - they can spend the rest of their lives there

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 8 2022 9:00 utc | 312

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 8 2022 8:48 utc | 311

Greg Hayes is CEO of Raytheon - if Russia needs to speak with him it could without bothering with his salesman Lloyd Austin.

As for Milley - he might have worked out his de-confliction line in Syria is defunct and there will be unfortunate losses of US planes to new weapons supplies from Ukraine

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 8 2022 9:03 utc | 313

Posted by: Roger | Apr 8 2022 8:05 utc | 309

Since you are keen to research religious/ethnic affiliations of Biden's Cabinet could you do the same for the top 3 levels of the US State Department ?

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 8 2022 9:04 utc | 314

Next time I post something from a provocative site I will remember to include a hazard warning :/
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 8 2022 5:37 utc | 287

I can't speak for anyone else, but its not a sensitivity issue for me its that after a lifetime of victims of the Holocaust being shoved down my throat, I have had enough of Jews as a propaganda fabrication, be that as the eternal victims or the ultimate Dark Scrooges. I have quite a few jewish friends none of whom are practising the religion, they are all dear to me and are not part of any cabal.
There are plenty of other labels to fit the evils of Empire: Neo Colonialism, End Stage Capitlism, Fascism, Corporatocracy, Zionists, Greedy Souless bastards etc etc

RE larry Romanoff, I feel the hate coming from his writing and I don't enjoy it. I've read a fair bit of his stuff but I just got maxed out on the negativity. Theres enough of that already in the world. Kudos to you though if you can read it and find useful information.
The way I see it if you hate apples and you think apples have an evil plan to replace every other fruit, you will probably start seeing evil apples everywhere. We become what we meditate on, so it's said.

Posted by: K | Apr 8 2022 9:12 utc | 315

On the current state of affairs ... how fix everything:

Governor Kathy Hochul, Official Twitter account for the 57th Governor of New York State.


We're legalizing to-go drinks — to support small businesses and because I know we could all use a drink!

Posted by: too scents | Apr 8 2022 9:19 utc | 316

@Posted by: K | Apr 8 2022 9:12 utc | 315

well said, and full ack.

Posted by: Grasdackel | Apr 8 2022 9:25 utc | 317

new hoax seems being fanned

https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1092746

Kramatorsk town. A broken rusty "Tochka-A" missile is thrown to the lawn. Narrative is "Russia fired two (!) Iskander (!) missiles into human croud (invisible one) on railway station"

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 8 2022 9:32 utc | 318

Say what you feel and want. Zelinsky is a Jew and a Nazi and Germany seems to have come full circle, easily led by Jew America. They seem to want to let out their true DNA once again, even though now led by Zionists. They same is true for Poland and the puny Baltics.

Russia must take them all on, and they are not alone.

Posted by: Karl luck | Apr 8 2022 9:51 utc | 319

OK enough
I will keep checking from time to time but the NAZI trolls have driven me away. If B ever cleans the tripe up I will return.

Another win for the CIA/

Posted by: watcher | Apr 8 2022 9:57 utc | 320

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 8 2022 8:48 utc | 311
"That's interesting, after all the pompous lectures we get from armchair diplomats about how "the Russians always talk to everyone at all times"."

The Russian military is kinda busy at the moment. I wouldn't take the Pentagon's calls either. As an aside, Martyanov, like The Saker, spends a lot of time extolling the wonderfulness of Orthodox Christian Russians. I'm not that naive. But that doesn't mean they don't see the value in negotiating when said negotiations are being conducted with the intent of showing how said negotiations are BS from the other side. In other words, they're letting Zelenskyy hang himself and they are giving him the rope to do so. Also, in the odd chance that Zelenskyy actually does surrender for some reason, they want it to look legal.

Stop nit-picking every damn thing the Russians do. It makes you look like a concern troll. IIRC this has been mentioned before.


Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 8 2022 9:58 utc | 321

watcher | Apr 8 2022 9:57 utc | 320

Such Nazi trolls one may find everywhere. With your attitude one can go nowhere.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 8 2022 10:01 utc | 322

Russian Defense Ministry on the provocation in Kramatorsk:

"All statements by representatives of the Kiev nationalist regime about an alleged "missile attack" by Russia on the railway station in the city of Kramatorsk on April 8 are a provocation and are absolutely untrue."

"The Russian armed forces did not have and were not planning any firing missions in the city of Kramatorsk on April 8."

"Let us especially emphasize - the tactical missiles 'Tochka-U', wreckage of which were found near the railway station of Kramatorsk and published by witnesses, are used only by the Ukrainian armed forces".

"On March 14, 2022, a similar 'Tochka-U' missile by a division of the 19th Separate Missile Brigade of the AFU struck the center of Donetsk, killing 17 people on the spot and wounding 36 more civilians."

Posted by: Kramatorsk | Apr 8 2022 10:02 utc | 323

Posted by: Karl luck | Apr 8 2022 9:51 utc | 319

are you trying to get b in trouble in Germany? or just trying to discredit the site in general.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 8 2022 10:02 utc | 324

pink floyd becomes just another brick in the wall.
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/pink-floyd-first-recording-nearly-190050565.html
speaking of bullshit

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 8 2022 10:15 utc | 325

A commentator at Escobar's VK went and broke down the vote by population of the nations:

Yes=25% of humanity

Abstain=46%

No=29%

As you can see, the judgement of Humanity was 75% against Russia being removed, for an abstention is essentially a no, although nations in this case ought to be bolder.

Additional votes ought to be taken to expel the Outlaw US Empire and all NATO nations for their crimes.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 8 2022 0:39 utc | 240

The extent to which the UN Representatives votes are a reflection of the populations of their countries is also questionable. As Lavrov has pointed out, many UN Reps have families living in the US and/or children attending US schools. The Empire of Lies is also the Empire of Bribes and the Empire of Extortion.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 8 2022 10:22 utc | 326

The extent to which the UN Representatives votes are a reflection of the populations of their countries is also questionable. As Lavrov has pointed out, many UN Reps have families living in the US and/or children attending US schools. The Empire of Lies is also the Empire of Bribes and the Empire of Extortion.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 8 2022 10:22 utc | 326

I expect that explains what is happening in Pakistan to Khan.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 8 2022 10:27 utc | 327

CC:

Briefly on Kramatorsk.

1. A tactical missile hit Kramatorsk train station killed 30+ civilians and wounded about 100.

2. Ukraine immediately claimed that it was Russia that fired on people rushing to evacuate Kramatorsk and it was an Iskander with a cluster warhead.

3. When photos of the missile fragments appeared, it turned out to be a Tochka-U missile used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. After that, Zelensky changed his mind and began to claim that it was not "Iskander" as Arestovich and Kirilenko broadcast, but "Tochka-U", only Russian. But statements about "Iskander" cannot be taken away, and now it looks like an attempt to hastily shift responsibility from the AFU to the RF Armed Forces.

4. In the Russian Armed Forces "Tochka-U" have been officially removed from the arsenal of missile brigades in connection with the transition to "Iskanders". There is not a single video of combat use of "Tochka-U" by the RF Armed Forces or the armies of the DPR and LPR in Donbass (even if we assume that they will be taken out of long-term storage). And these are always accurate applications. At the same time, Ukraine uses "Tochka-U" everywhere, including for the strike on Donetsk, where the SBU specially for this strike gathered a rally through fake people in social networks.

5. The missile allegedly came from the southwest. According to some reports it was shot down. According to others it went off smoothly. The missile had "For the Children" written all over it.

6. It is also worth noting that the population of Donbass, including Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, is considered disloyal by the AFU (in Ukraine, residents of Donbass are actually deprived of voting rights), so they can easily be sacrificed.

7. Was it a deliberate killing of civilians? Based on the practice of the AFU's actions in Donbass, I would bet that this is a deliberate and conscious killing of its own citizens, who were soon to become citizens of the DNR, in order to continue the track of bloody provocations.

Posted by: Kramatorsk | Apr 8 2022 10:34 utc | 328

Big lols at the american anti-jewish conspirationists.

You could rail against Zionists, for being aspirants to worst ethnonationalists* of 21st century, but you can't do that because you would be as rabid ethnonationalists/theocrats if you had the chance; and your sorry excuse for a nation is also built on foundations of ethnic cleansing.

You could rail against giving unwarranted clearance levels to Israelis, but you can't do that because then you'd have to question the presence of goddamned Anglos EVERYWHERE.

You could rail against rampant bourgeois plunder, corruption and degeneracy at every level of culture, media and international relations, but that would be an "Un-American Activity".


So what options are left for poor, poor, god-fearing, American little girls with red blood in their veins?

Shouting Jew, Jew and Jew!


*:A pity that they're disqualified because "jewish" is not an ethnicity, despite their methods being in top form. They can still duke it out for smarmiest, most corrupt theocrats against Vatican and KSA.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 8 2022 10:38 utc | 329

Richard Steven Hack Apr 8 2022 9:58 utc | 321

"The Russian military is kinda busy at the moment. I wouldn't take the Pentagon's calls either...Stop nit-picking every damn thing the Russians do."

I suppose the political leadership is kinda busy too and could find lots of things to fill their time more worthwhile than worthless talks.

Of course my criticisms have been directed only at the political leadership, who I do not regard as synonymous with "the Russians" as a whole. You seem to disagree on that. Meanwhile I have nothing but respect for the Russian people and their soldiers.

I'm not nit-picking. On the contrary I doubt the broad strategy which these blogs speculate is on tap for "Phase two", if that turns out to be the real strategy.

And I find it alarming if this is a newly improvised strategy which the political leadership imposed because, according to the testimony of Lavrov and Peskov, they wanted to prove some kind of bona fides to Zelensky. Of course what they said may well have been obfuscation to cover a retrenchment and change of direction already pre-planned (though whatever the level of planning, it included extreme negligence or callousness as to the fate of friendly Kiev-area civilians they now were abandoning to the tender mercies of the Nazis; I don't think my anger over that is nit-picking either, especially after how the Russian military so often has had to fight with one hand tied behind its back in order to minimize civilian casualties, and probably has sustained higher levels of its own casualties because of this; certainly no one here is willing to defend that aspect of it, but is just dodging it), but even if so that was unnecessary and inflammatory.

I've thought a lot about it and can see nothing good about these talks, with all the "reasoning" being given to justify them being so much idiot Machiavellianism, outsmarting oneself when the clear simple route is also the best one. The Russians have the advantage and the initiative, the enemy is absolutely incorrigible, and there's nothing worthwhile to do but proceed in a purely active way until the proclaimed and necessary war goals are attained. In the meantime there's no reason to talk and no one credible to talk to, only criminals that have proven over and over they have nothing but bad faith.

Therefore it seems the only reason to talk, and the only reason for anyone to defend the talks, is that some among the political leadership are losing their nerve and want to cash in their winnings now, "quit while they're ahead". I've seen many "pro-Russia" commenters openly express exactly such neo-pacifism - "I pray this war ends as soon as possible", which they mean in an absolute sense, not "once the necessary war aims are achieved."

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 8 2022 10:39 utc | 330

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 8 2022 10:39 utc | 330
"I suppose the political leadership is kinda busy too and could find lots of things to fill their time more worthwhile than worthless talks."

Are you just dense? The people assigned to the negotiations are doing their job. The General Staff is doing theirs. Putin is clearly doing his as he is all over the place, according to the official reports. Putin is not engaged in the talks and neither is Lavrov, who is also having meetings with foreign dignitaries virtually every day if not several times a day.

"On the contrary I doubt the broad strategy which these blogs speculate is on tap for "Phase two""

That's obvious. What is missing is any specific reasons for any doubts, just random assertions by you based on zilch.

"And I find it alarming if this is a newly improvised strategy which the political leadership imposed because, according to the testimony of Lavrov and Peskov, they wanted to prove some kind of bona fides to Zelensky. Of course what they said may well have been obfuscation to cover a retrenchment and change of direction already pre-planned (though whatever the level of planning, it included extreme negligence or callousness as to the fate of friendly Kiev-area civilians"

Oh, grow the fuck up! The Russians are going to do what they need to as events unfold. Sometimes that will be a mistake. I suspect more often than not it won't be. Sometimes it will not be a mistake but others will suffer for the decision.But YOU are in ZERO position to determine that.

"I don't think my anger over that is nit-picking either"

Your anger is bullshit. And I suspect faked for the purpose of your posts. If you have any rational reasons to state, I'd give you the benefit of the doubt. Since you don't, I don't.

"certainly no one here is willing to defend that aspect of it"

I'm happy to defend it. So has everyone else outside this site who have recognized it. As I've said repeatedly into your deaf ears, Russia has a POLITICAL GOAL here, which will be assisted by minimizing civilian casualties. But even with that caveat, Russia will do what it takes to win this. And since so far they are winning handily, your concern trolling is obviously bullshit.

"I've thought a lot about it and can see nothing good about these talks"

Obviously you haven't thought about it all that much, since tons of people have pointed out potential upsides, albeit they are hardly certainties. If you're looking for certainties in this war, other than Russia winning it, then you're obviously in the wrong place.

"outsmarting oneself when the clear simple route is also the best one."

If it was me, I would have killed half of Ukraine by now. But I'm not in command. If you think you're qualified to lead Russia, move there, enter a political party and stand for election as President. Otherwise, your opinion of what should be done is irrelevant, especially since you clearly have no idea what the Russian plan is, just like everyone else outside of the Kremlin.

"Therefore it seems the only reason to talk, and the only reason for anyone to defend the talks, is that some among the political leadership are losing their nerve"

Once again, alternative explanations are all over the place. You just dismiss them because they're not your alternative. You're simply elevating your speculation over any other alternative.

"I pray this war ends as soon as possible", which they mean in an absolute sense, not "once the necessary war aims are achieved.""

You haven't heard me say that. I've repeatedly expressed my interest in seeing the maximum solution as I see it obtained. My only "concern trolling" is that I fear the Russians will screw up. Unlike you, however, I recognize that we are no where near that situation.

Frankly, from here on out, I consider you a concern troll, which means you're not worth anyone's time here.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 8 2022 11:06 utc | 331

- tongue-in-cheek -

Starting to wonder whether there's a secret plan to move all of Europe to Ukraine as it seems the Europeans (as voiced by their "representatives") have a death wish (freezing and hungry [Macron saying "food stamps" might be necessary?]).

Hard for the people in Europe to reach out to D.C., so perhaps Downing Street is the logical strategic point to apply pressure to. Maybe this semi-replay of WWII will have Germany concentrating on the UK (staying away from Russia)?

On the other hand, maybe it's Europe leading the way on Climate Change by cutting fossil fuel use (and generally reducing consumption). I'd figure this is the driver if not for the fact that its scrambling to buy LNG from the US.

- /tongue-in-cheek -

If only we could power the planet via propaganda, for it is the most powerful think known [though unknown to the masses, apparently] to humans.

Posted by: Seer | Apr 8 2022 11:06 utc | 332

I think the US/NATO have ventured well into the grey zone as to being at war with Russia

So it is each day a balancing act as to whether we proceed with world war. Slowly at first and then suddenly...

Posted by: jared | Apr 8 2022 11:12 utc | 333

Readers and Non-Readers
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 8 2022 6:38 utc | 294

Just as there are Combatants and Non-Combatants, there exist Readers and Non-Readers.
Readers are persons capable of reviewing a text intended for practical use by a NATO military, a text reviewing the LOAC, laws based on a range of texts and treaties including those you describe as "had you chosen to read Hague or Geneva Conventions you might have noticed...........", a text which at Chapter 3 contains the definition of the terms "combatant" and "non-combatant" and goes into some detail describing each.

A non-reader is someone who embarrasses him/herself by spouting off on a blog, makes false and misleading assertion that are totally irrelevant to the topic, and proves incapable of reading definitions intended for the simplest of military minds, definitions such as those found in chapter 3 of the subject text:


CHAPTER 3
CHAPTER 3 - COMBATANT STATUS
SECTION 1 - INTRODUCTION
301. AIM
1. The aim of this chapter is to summarize the law with regard to which persons are combatants, non-combatants, or unlawful combatants and to provide the background information necessary to determine their status.

Posted by: Sushi | Apr 8 2022 11:17 utc | 334

More Misinformation From a Non-reader
Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 8 2022 6:45 utc | 297


These captives have no status having been captured on the battlefield aiding the enemy.

Gotta read Paul, gotta read. Simple skill. Very valuable.

Posted by: Sushi | Apr 8 2022 11:25 utc | 335

Here I am, too late to the debate again.

Once upon a time most people conversant with the issues created by the occupation of Palestine could discuss the issue without having to say every second paragraph that they were anti-zionist, not anti-semitic. Unfortunately as far as neoliberals, who have captured the zeitgeist, are concerned, that is no longer the case and those of us who loathe the invasion and occupation of Palestine because it is the most blatant example of contemporary imperialist colonialism - the most bloody and oppressive kind, so therefore we are disinclined to adopt the apologetic "I'm not an anti-semite but" stance preferred by the small % of neolibs who do oppose the zionist project.

This is the general attitude towards the issue long held by the bulk of regular MoA posters.

Trouble is that stance can be shaded to look judeophobic if sufficient posts full of racist vitriol against all jews are posted here. That appears to have been the plan for a couple of looney tunez zionist fuckwits who have posted here over the years. b was pretty efficient at recognising those racist creeps (it is zionism which is fundamentally racist), culling out their posts and even banning them when necessary.

That was back in the old days when MoA's audience was limited to previous Whiskey Barflies plus a few. Now the site has become much busier requiring b to keep posting new thread leaders every day or two, there is no way he has the time to be reading every post much less passing judgement on them.

That is occurring at a time when the increased readership has brought increased numbers of dodgy posts.
This is very much b's blog, no one but b should ever have the power to judge what is or isn't permissible and that puts the site in a bit of a bind.

Firstly I recognise that now with such an increased membership MoA is never going to be able to maintain unity on DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS - there is always gonna be at least one who wants to post but, in lieu of being able to think of anything both original and germaine to the topic of the thread, decides to engage with the judeophobic troll, however that isn't the only way to deal with these creeps.

One of the things we can do with a post that is obviously offensive & racist is to send an email to Bernhard at MoonofA_at_aol.com (replacing _at_ with @) Do not forget to remove the _ ) which includes a link to the dodgy post, allowing b to access it rapidly.

The other positive thing we can do is make a general post, ie, one which doesn't directly address the original judeophobic whinge, but does call out all the bullshit being posted by these ersatz nazis.

That is what most of 'em are, just weak arsed attempts by unimaginative party and/or zionist hacks to discredit MoA.

The last time we had a persistent nazi was the last time Circe hung around spruiking for Joe Biden in the 2020 poll, her no 1 fan, Mark 2, fit that bill.

An alleged englander, alleged cognitively deficient refugee from off guardian, Mark 2 bounded into MoA bad mouthing jews, which a few of us pulled him up on explaining that it was zionist imperialism not all jews which gave us the shits.

The fella pulled his head in a bit but when he decided that Joe Biden was the bloke he did something totally counterintuitive. He argued for the Biden creep while shedding his inability to rationally argue his position, even tho the arguments were based on alla that trump derangement syndrome,russiagate nonsense, he could all of a sudden put up a somewhat rational argument. Trouble was that argument was based on the usual dem half of the amerikan empire party deceits.

I've only seen one post with his nym attached in the last coupla months, but there has been a mob of blatantly racist irrelevant sledges of jews from previously unheard of types and Circe has made a few posts that talk about 'the jews' defining the culpable by race, ignoring the reality that many jews don't hang their hats off zionist claptrap, whilst ignoring the fact that plenty of followers of other gods also fuck over the innocent.

Many of us knee jerk react to such nonsense provocations without stopping to consider and see this nonsense for what it is; a "false flag" set up to discredit MoA & barflies for being nazis who by definition, are incapable of expressing a rational thought, much less convincingly argue that amerika's democrat 'party' is essentially a big gang of careerists who rate getting cosy with arseholes far ahead of rational analysis followed by effective action. In Other Words "Don't think lest you become a nazi, kissing neoliberal butt is the smart way to be."

Few of us hold with that, but it doesn't mean we all must pile on the judeophobic poster when just two or three moa-ites are more than capable of the few anti judeophobia postings required to deal the masturbators out.

Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 8 2022 11:32 utc | 336

Richard Steven Hack | Apr 8 2022 11:06 utc | 331

"If you have any rational reasons to state, I'd give you the benefit of the doubt. Since you don't, I don't."

I've given them several times. You simply disagree with some and feel triggered by others. But that you deny I gave them demonstrates your bad faith.

"certainly no one here is willing to defend that aspect of it [i.e. the abandonment of the Russia-friendly civilians of Bucha and elsewhere]"

I'm happy to defend it. So has everyone else outside this site who have recognized it."

I've seen neither you nor anyone else defend this abandonment. (And I'm hardly alone in criticizing it.) Literally not a single person has even tried to defend it, so far as I've seen.

"I've thought a lot about it and can see nothing good about these talks"

Obviously you haven't thought about it all that much, since tons of people have pointed out potential upsides, albeit they are hardly certainties.

I said I thought about these alleged "potential upsides" and reject them. I've also explained why I reject them here and several times previously.

"Frankly, from here on out, I consider you a concern troll, which means you're not worth anyone's time here."

You're the one who keeps responding to me, perhaps because you agree but are struggling to prop up your faith and can't stand the sight of criticism of the political leadership, even though you yourself keep saying you fear they'll screw everything up. As is evident, that's exactly the thing I fear.

I'm the opposite of a "concern troll"; that of course would be exactly those who push the "talk at all costs" line, who fret about the alleged PR necessity for such talks (for what audience??), etc.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 8 2022 11:41 utc | 337

As time passes I can see more clearly that there was an operation Gladio sequel in Europe. Thousands of false accounts were created in every country to attack left wing parties. That is especially visible in Southern Europe where the tradition for left parties with parliamentary presence exists. This took time and it must have been in place for months.

Point 2, after listening to Mercouris today, I agree that the West's last weapon were sanctions. The sanctions are not only not working but they are affecting the US but mostly its new Puerto Rico: Europe. In a stage of denial and anger both may be at a dangerous point where they risk our safety and go to war. We are dealing with a fallen empire that refuses to accept its fall. We stop them now or they will destroy us. They are out of control.

On the arming of Nazis in Ukraine and post Greek parliament shameful day, like they did in Ukraine the USA are determined into spreading and multiplying Nazism in the EU. I will not shut up, but I see many who have. They whitewash it, they disguise it, they say it is not time to bring this up as it is not helpful, they deny it. Many don't know and many obfuscate that nazism is not only anti semitism , but racism and the sick belief that there is one superior "arian" race, that there are forbidden ideologies and religions, disability has no part in this race and neither has sexual orientation. That is nazism and the best thing we can do is to educate people on it and open their eyes. It is an abject ideology that must be eradicated and fought anywhere we see it.

Lastly, also on Putin's daughters sanctions, if they sanction Putin's daughters what guarantees do we have that the USA is not threatening - as is their habit- the children and families of our EU politicians?

lose thoughts on this Friday when I come to the conclusion that we print money based on nothing but a self inflated image of ourselves, while others issue currency backed by essential commodities and that dangerous ideology is spreading like wildfire through Europe to the point that so many are not afraid to display it.

Posted by: maria | Apr 8 2022 11:59 utc | 338

the USA are determined into spreading and multiplying Nazism in the EU. I will not shut up, but I see many who have. They whitewash it, they disguise it, they say it is not time to bring this up as it is not helpful, they deny it. Many don't know and many obfuscate that nazism is not only anti semitism , but racism and the sick belief that there is one superior "arian" race, that there are forbidden ideologies and religions, disability has no part in this race and neither has sexual orientation. That is nazism and the best thing we can do is to educate people on it and open their eyes. It is an abject ideology that must be eradicated and fought anywhere we see it.

Posted by: maria | Apr 8 2022 11:59 utc | 338

Agreed 1000%, and that's not a typo.

I'd add that such ideologies are also unavoidably unscientific - racial purity is an euphemism for inbreeding and for treating humans as cattle.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 8 2022 12:17 utc | 339

Posted by: Kramatorsk | Apr 8 2022 10:34 utc | 328

No justice will ever be received for this war crime.

No investigation, no acknowledgement from the UN other than as another way to convict Russia without a trial.

The West and lapdog UN will swallow Zelensky's lies whole.

Just more evidence that the UN is a fully compromised organisation.

It no longer even serves as a forum for Russia to maintain relations with the international community.

One wonders why Russia persists in the charade that is the UN.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 8 2022 12:46 utc | 340

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 8 2022 12:46 utc | 340
If the Ukraine can blame the Russians for this crime then they may start passing off of bombing Dombass as a Russian war crime, and we would have come full circle.

Posted by: QuietRebel | Apr 8 2022 13:24 utc | 341

@309 Roger

Let me rephrase re: Biden's cabinet.

The "movers and shakers" are all jews. The rest of his cabinet are diversity hires and boot lickers to go along with whatever the Jews say. Sounds like quite the MO of the 6-million man tribe.

The rest of my post stands.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 8 2022 15:39 utc | 342

psychohistorian | Apr 7 2022 23:15 utc | 221
I’m sharing in your laughter!

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juliania | Apr 7 2022 23:30 utc | 224
Thanks for your post! Good question, what did these VIPs in Mariupol think they’re doing there, this late since the start of Russia’s operation. I can only come up with stupidity. It’s hard to catch up with western stupidity these days, especially.

I’ve been meaning to ask you, for weeks actually, how is your garden? And do you have any experience with growing artichokes?

Posted by: Scotch Bingeington | Apr 8 2022 17:28 utc | 343

4 - I would not be surprised if there is a shortage of Russian speakers in the Western intelligence services. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, there was a tendency to downgrade Russian but in many Western countries austerity and cost-cutting also undermined the foreign language programmes of many colleges and universities. The security services tend to distrust people with foreign backgrounds but this can also make it difficult to hire people with language skills.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 8 2022 18:42 utc | 344

@ Scotch Bingeington | Apr 8 2022 17:28 utc | 343 with the response to me and the question
"
And do you have any experience with growing artichokes?
"

I have only grown them once, they take up a lot of space for what you get and I am not that much of an artichoke fan.

Given the house remodel I am trying to finish I will probably limit my garden to 7 cherry tomato plants again this year.....I dry them for daily snacks. I have a space to create some nice garden space but not the time yet.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 8 2022 18:57 utc | 345

@Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 8 2022 15:39 utc | 342

You were caught in a lie, now you are desperately attempting to move the goal posts in a sad display of intellectual dishonesty. Go away with your bigotry.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 8 2022 20:11 utc | 346

Barf alert. Per ESPN reporter, "a beautiful rendition of the Ukrainian national anthem" is played in Yankee Stadium on opening day.

Posted by: susan mullen | Apr 8 2022 21:54 utc | 347

What an absolutely sad bunch of people commenting here calling for the demise of the West. Zero self awareness.

Posted by: Jacob | Apr 8 2022 23:08 utc | 348

Happier times.

https://youtu.be/0zZsGgpMKQQ

It’s quite obvious that Putin thoroughly enjoyed and had a genuine appreciation for many aspects of American culture. He tried hard for many years to be a friend to America.

Posted by: krypton | Apr 9 2022 0:20 utc | 349

pink floyd becomes just another brick in the wall, speaking of bullshit

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 8 2022 10:15 utc | 325

That's not Pink Floyd, PF died after The Wall, that's that crook Gilmour's Zombie PF--which seems fitting somehow.

For all his snide bastardliness, Waters is much the more interesting, both artistically and politically.

(I mostly listen to classic electro-industrial and electronic, with some fair helpings of Mahler, when I listen to music nowadays, which is seldom.)

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 9 2022 1:41 utc | 350

Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 8 2022 11:32 utc | 336

I couldn't resist the Pr*t*c*ls attack. A carp in a bucket of blood. I'm sorry. I'm a bad person.

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 9 2022 1:56 utc | 351

One wonders why Russia persists in the charade that is the UN.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 8 2022 12:46 utc | 340

Veto-power in the Security Council is worth many divisions.


Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 9 2022 2:01 utc | 352

Billion$ and Billion$ increasingly spent on DC's 'intelligence' community since the globozo attack on the WTC.
DC is a whole cloth foreign state, NOT the uSA. But that's why they can continue to break laws of the uSA, right?
William Casey, former AlCiAda director is known for saying -> "When the american public believes all the disinfo we put out as true, then our job has been accomplished."
Sit on that, as needed.

Posted by: Mordecai Irony | Apr 9 2022 6:50 utc | 353

Posted by: Corsair66 | Apr 8 2022 0:49 utc | 241

I fail to see how any of their policies could be described as "leftist", as you put it, unless one subscribes to the horse-shoe theory of politics (where far-left, and far-right are closely encamped at the tail ends of said horse-shoe, and in essence quite close together).

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Apr 9 2022 19:32 utc | 354

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 9 2022 1:56 utc | 351'
no you're just a fanboy idiot who can't accept that his crush just sold out. show me a quote where Waters criticized this abject bootlicking by PF. and more the point, who the fuck are you to call me a troll.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 9 2022 19:58 utc | 355

a letter from Waters to a fan starts out
"I read your letter, I feel your pain, I am disgusted by Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, it is a criminal mistake in my opinion, the act of a gangster, there must be an immediate ceasefire," Waters began his lengthy message. "I regret that Western governments are fueling the fire that will destroy your beautiful country by pouring arms into Ukraine, instead of engaging in the diplomacy that will be necessary to stop the slaughter. Rest assured if all our leaders don’t turn down the rhetoric and engage in diplomatic negotiations there will be precious little of Ukraine left when the fighting is over."

in other words the weasel is playing both sides of the fence, using the false equivalence card, starting off with the "Putin is a gangster" meme. and so far I haven't found any criticism of the bootlicking concert by the latest incarnation of Pink Floyd.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 9 2022 20:07 utc | 356

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 9 2022 19:58 utc | 355

I did not call you a troll.

My belief in the death of PF dates from ca. 1980.

I have never owned any post-Wall release by any party.

I stand by my remark on Waters, observing from afar, although I disagree vehemently with his opinion of the special operation in Ukraine, which I was not aware of:

I believe Putin has acted from 2014 on as any responsible Russian executive should have, given the realities, and keeping his options open as long as he safely could.

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 9 2022 22:36 utc | 357

Posted by: Debsisdead | Apr 8 2022 11:32 utc | 33

"a few posts that talk about 'the jews' defining the culpable by race..."

You seem to be mistaking a religion for a race.
In Circe's defense, she has been posting a lot of interesting comments of late, especially since the US election malaise (which had us all holding our heads in our hands), faded into the rear-view mirror.

Posted by: Jon_in_AU | Apr 10 2022 11:53 utc | 358

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