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April 07, 2022

U.S. 'Intelligence' Says Its 'Intelligence' Is Bullshit

U.S. 'intelligence' folks tell their stenographers at NBC News that their obvious lies are obvious lies.


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That announced 'break with the past' of faking 'intelligence' happened when?

How 'rock solid' was the 'intelligence' about Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction or chemical weapons attacks in Douma, Syria?

U.S. 'intelligence', then and now, is pure imagination for the purpose of deceiving the U.S. and 'western' public about the reality of this or that conflict:

It was an attention-grabbing assertion that made headlines around the world: U.S. officials said they had indications suggesting Russia might be preparing to use chemical agents in Ukraine.

President Joe Biden later said it publicly. But three U.S. officials told NBC News this week there is no evidence Russia has brought any chemical weapons near Ukraine. They said the U.S. released the information to deter Russia from using the banned munitions.

Unlike the U.S. Russia no longer has any 'banned munitions':

The OPCW’s inspection teams have verified the destruction at seven chemical weapons destruction facilities in the Russian Federation. On 27 September 2017, the last of these facilities, located in Kizner, officially concluded its operations.

With the total elimination of Russia’s declared chemical weapons programme, 96.3 per cent of all chemical weapon stockpiles declared by possessor States have been destroyed under OPCW verification.

That is why the U.S. 'intelligence' claim of a potential use of Russian chemical weapons was obvious nonsense from the get go:

It’s one of a string of examples of the Biden administration’s breaking with recent precedent by deploying declassified intelligence as part of an information war against Russia. The administration has done so even when the intelligence wasn’t rock solid, officials said, to keep Russian President Vladimir Putin off balance. Coordinated by the White House National Security Council, the unprecedented intelligence releases have been so frequent and voluminous, officials said, that intelligence agencies had to devote more staff members to work on the declassification process, scrubbing the information so it wouldn’t betray sources and methods.

Sure, devote more people for the 'declassification process' of creating mere fantasies or for the the reproduction of public sources:

Just this week, national security adviser Jake Sullivan stood at the White House podium and read out what officials said was more declassified intelligence, asserting that Russia’s pullout from areas around Kyiv wasn’t a retreat but a strategic redeployment that signals a significant assault on eastern and southern Ukraine, one that U.S. officials believe could be a protracted and bloody fight.

That 'declassified intelligence' Sullivan read out was the copy of a public announcement the Ministry of Defense of Russia had made on March 30:

Planned regrouping of troops in Kiev and Chernigov directions is underway.

The first stage of the special military operation conducted by the Russian Armed Forces in Donbas and Ukraine was planned to force the enemy to concentrate its forces, means, resources and military equipment to hold on to high populated areas in these directions, including Kiev. To bring them down on the battlefield and, without storming these cities to avoid civilian casualties, inflict such a defeat on the armed formations of the Kiev regime that it would not be able to use these forces in the main direction of our Armed Forces in Donbass.

All these goals have been met.

At the same time, the Russian army also solved another task, namely - in the absence of an inflow of fresh enemy forces from the western and central regions of Ukraine, through professional military action, using the absolute air dominance it had gained, also using modern high-precision weapons - to create all the necessary conditions for the final stage of the operation to liberate the People's Republics of Donbass.
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Thus, all the main tasks of the Russian Armed Forces in Kiev and Chernigov directions have been completed.

The objective of the regrouping of the Russian Armed Forces is to intensify action in priority areas and, above all, to complete the operation for the total liberation of Donbass.

To claim that official public announcement by the Russian military are 'declassified intelligence' is of course bullshit. But NBC News stenographers won't tell you that. Instead we get more of this nonsense:

Multiple U.S. officials acknowledged that the U.S. has used information as a weapon even when confidence in the accuracy of the information wasn’t high. Sometimes it has used low-confidence intelligence for deterrent effect, as with chemical agents, and other times, as an official put it, the U.S. is just “trying to get inside Putin’s head.”

Does anyone believe that Putin gives a f*** about U.S. 'intelligence' claims?

No:

Some officials believe, however, that trying to get into Putin’s head is a meaningless exercise, because he will do what he wants regardless.
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The biggest success of the U.S. information offensive may have been delaying the invasion itself by weeks or months, which officials believe they did with accurate predictions that Russia intended to attack, based on definitive intelligence.

Those 'accurate predictions' included the false claims that Russia would invade the Ukraine on February 11, February 14 and February 16:

The noise has become deafening.

> The U.S. intelligence briefing included specific reference to next Wednesday, February 16, as a start date for the ground invasion, three officials — based in Washington, London and Ukraine — told POLITICO. <

'Could' is doing a lot of work in those headlines.

Can we get it a bit more precise?

1am or 3am?

Which is it?

And in what timezone?

In fact, Russia had not decided to invade Ukraine at that time. The decision was most likely made after February 19, after the Ukrainian military had intensified its bombardment of Donbas and after the Ukrainian president Zelinsky had threatened to acquire nuclear weapons:

Starting in mid February the OSCE observers around Donbas noted in their daily reports a strong increase in ceasefire violation and explosions.


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Most of the violations came from the Ukrainian site and the explosions of the fired shells and missile happened on Donbas held grounds. On February 19, at the hight of the fire, Zelensky gave a speech at the Munich Security Conference. He prominently mentioned the Budapest Memorandum under which the Ukraine had given up the nuclear weapons it had inherited from the USSR:

".. Ukraine will have every right to believe that the Budapest Memorandum is not working and all the package decisions of 1994 are in doubt."

One of the package decisions Ukraine took in 1994 was the entering of Ukraine into the Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons.

Russia understood Zelensky's remark in Munich as a threat by Ukraine to acquire nuclear weapons. It already has the expertise, materials and means to do that.

A fascist controlled government with nukes on Russia's border? This is not about Putin at all. No Russian government of any kind could ever condone that.

I believe that this credible threat, together with the artillery preparations for a new war on Donbas, was what convinced Russia's government to intervene by force.

The Russian military operation was clearly provoked. It started on February 24, months after U.S. 'intelligence' had falsely warned of an 'imminent' attack, eight days AFTER Ukrainian artillery preparations to attack Donbas had begun, five days AFTER Zelinsky's nuclear speech and two days AFTER the U.S. and its allies had implemented unprecedented sanctions against Russia.

NBC News, as well as other western outlets, allow themselves to be abused by presenting U.S. 'intelligence' claims they know are outright lies:

Game or not, U.S. intelligence officials say it has been successful. Intelligence is rarely definitive, and Biden officials have calculated in some cases that it’s better to pre-empt something that might not happen, rather than stay silent and watch it unfold.

“It doesn’t have to be solid intelligence when we talk about it,” a U.S. official said. “It’s more important to get out ahead of them — Putin specifically — before they do something. It’s preventative. We don’t always want to wait until the intelligence is 100 percent certainty that they are going to do something. We want to get out ahead to stop them.”

Edged on by the 'intelligence' community the 'western' media 'get ahead' and produce one lie after the other.

Here they are, reporting on some scruffy cat in Bucha, a town that had seen five weeks of intense front-line fighting.


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The recently sensationalized mass graves in Bucha were of its Volkssturm 'civilian defenders' and of Russian soldiers deceased there. They were dug on March 12 and had nothing to do with the recent pull back of Russian forces. Some carefully filmed bodies in the streets of Bucha have likely been casualties of weeks old Ukrainian artillery strikes. Others bound and killed there, likely by Ukrainian Azov fascists, were wearing white arm bands identifying them as neutral to Russian forces.

Only rarely do we get insight from 'western' media of what the people on the ground in Ukraine really feel:

8:58 6 Apr - In eastern Ukraine, some don't blame Putin for the war
Jonathan Beale, BBC News, Donbas

We visited the town of Lysychansk, about a mile from the front line. It's one of many residential areas to have been hit by Russian artillery over the past few days.
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A Ukrainian soldier led us through the mostly-deserted streets to an underground shelter.

Inside in a gloomy room we talked to two old women, who were trying to keep warm in front of an electric fire.

We asked them who they thought was responsible for shelling their town - astonishingly, neither blamed Russia or President Vladimir Putin. They thought their grim situation was as much the fault of Ukraine and President Volodymyr Zelensky.

Whenever such rare reality reports, like the above or this one, come out, they get buried in an overwhelming stream of 'intelligence' bullshit and pro-war propaganda:

A video posted online on Monday and verified by The New York Times appears to show a group of Ukrainian soldiers killing captured Russian troops outside a village west of Kyiv.

“He’s still alive. Film these marauders. Look, he’s still alive. He’s gasping,” a man says as a Russian soldier with a jacket pulled over his head, apparently wounded, is seen still breathing. A soldier then shoots the man twice. After the man keeps moving, the soldier shoots him again, and he stops.

At least three other apparent Russian soldiers, including one with an obvious head wound who has his hands tied behind his back, can be seen dead near the victim. All are wearing camouflage, and three have white arm bands commonly worn by Russian troops. Equipment is scattered around them and there are blood stains near each man’s head.

For every atrocity Ukrainian troops and militia commit U.S. 'intelligence' will create five or more fairy tales of 'Russian atrocities' which the media, well knowing that such claims are likely false, will lap up and repeat.

The only advice one can give in such a situation is to always assume that it is the exact opposite of what any 'intelligence' claims that is actually happening.

Posted by b on April 7, 2022 at 9:28 UTC | Permalink

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Interesting. I think there is a big fight going on between factions of the permanent US state, even within intelligence and military agencies. The US govt is not a unified entity that speaks with one voice, but divided into factions and insider relationships. If a hawkish faction wants to pursue a borderline war with Russia based on lies and exaggerations, the dovish faction counters that with its own unsanctioned releases to the public. My guess is that especially the Pentagon is pushing back and exposes the work of the hawkish faction around Sullivan.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 7 2022 9:55 utc | 1

Does anyone have a link for the full story on this leak from US State Dept re: Nuland saying the sanctions on Russia will result in ‘less Europeans’ ? I’ve only seen Twitter screenshots, has anyone actually reported this? Full text of the leak?

Posted by: Pete | Apr 7 2022 9:59 utc | 2

Seeing the headline, an old article from 2016 cam into mind:

The key is to lie first - An Interview with former CIA-Analyst and Peace Activist Ray McGovern
https://www.heise.de/tp/features/The-key-is-to-lie-first-3494443.html?seite=all

It contains a description how the propaganda in regard to KAL-007 was played against the Soviet Union.

Posted by: Max-Headroom | Apr 7 2022 10:00 utc | 3

Most US-UK "Intelligence" is ELINT or SIGINT. Russia moved back to typewriters to reduce transmission interception and no doubt China also.

Even with SIGINT and ELINT the data overload makes The West clueless - they had so much data prior to 9/11 but simply lacked the Arabic speaking analysts to decipher what was relevant.

UK outsourced its Arabic analysis to N Africa to save costs.

I bet they are very short of Russian-speakers and are dependent on Ukraine or Israel for source info

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 7 2022 10:10 utc | 4

LOFL what the f were they doing with the cat. "and here, a survivor tells his tragic tale, of hairballs and litterboxes and lost chew toys, exclusively on MSNBC!"
spoiler alert--the cat blames Putin.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 7 2022 10:13 utc | 5

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 7 2022 9:55 utc | 1

agree about struggles among the elites, but I don't think there is a dovish faction--there may be a realist faction though, which in this context could be described that way--but I bet some of those doves want to concentrate on regime change in China.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 7 2022 10:24 utc | 6

I'm convinced that the West is rapidly going down into irrelevance by the day. Sooner than later, even the mostly brain-washed western citizens would start to realize how contemptible their rulers and society are.

Posted by: Steve | Apr 7 2022 10:33 utc | 7

Propaganda sitrep (France)

'Russian atrocities' were brought up very early after the war began in French MSM. The focus was initially on damage caused by shelling (always Russian), then there was Mariupol 'the martyr city' and the maternity hospital 'deliberately bombed by Russia'. Now it's the 'Bucha massacre' by 'a Russian army of drunks' (in French: soudards) and just yesterday another hoary old chestnut was dusted off from storage: the 'mass rape of Ukrainian women'. All the media outlets pounced as one on an alleged recording of a Russian soldier on the phone to his grandmother complaining that some of his comrades had committed rape. Admittedly, the source of the recording was rock solid: the Ukrainian intelligence services.

There was also a photo on TV news of a small pile of unidentifiable things covered by blankets on a country lane. This was said to be three (or four? - it varied) women also raped by Russian troops. Next up: babies torn from incubators, I suppose.

News bulletins, 'analysis' and talk shows are unanimously and relentlessly anti-Russian, with an obsessive focus on Putin the Mad Monster dripping blood. They proclaim with straight faces that Russians are being told only one side of the story by their own media, oblivious to the glaring fact that the French are too. We are told that NATO is more united than ever; that the EU economies are fine; that Zelensky is a saint-like hero inspiring the world; that Russia is losing the war; that Putin should be overthrown by a palace revolution in order to preserve Democracy. I don't know what French people make of all this, but ALL twelve presidential candidates are basically toeing the NATO line, some more enthusiastically than others (the worst being the Greens). Nevertheless, Macron's re-election is not quite looking the foregone conclusion it was only a month ago. The first round of voting takes place this Sunday.

Posted by: B. Wildered | Apr 7 2022 10:36 utc | 8

As Mariupol is mopped up it will be interesting to see if the reports of Western 'military advisors' in the Azovstal factory complex turn out to be true. If so, maybe US intelligence will provide us all with an incredible but believable explanation as to what they were doing there.

Posted by: TEP | Apr 7 2022 10:40 utc | 9

Biden sanctioned Putin's daughters simply because he cannot sanction his own son..........

Parental Responsibility US style

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 7 2022 10:42 utc | 10

On the 'fresh' Bucha killings in particular, but anywhere in Ukraine - wouldn't any Ukrainian male aged 16 - 60 be dealt with harshly by Ukrainian troops as they are supposed to be in the military?

Posted by: NotEinstein | Apr 7 2022 10:53 utc | 11

Paul Greenwood @ 4

US has no shortage of Russian speakers. Same as we have no shortage of Arabic speakers. Neither group is trusted. Far better to assign a loyal but incompetent translator.

For that matter we have thousands of newly arrived Ukrainian residents. Who of course all speak Russian. And whose loyalty is unquestionable. Except the fiction that Ukrainian is a language rather than a dialect must be maintained. And most in lower level staff positions will not even know that the narrative is a fiction.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 7 2022 10:55 utc | 12

As I like to say, when it comes to hacking or intelligence operations, the only constant is obfuscation, misdirection and manipulation.

"Trust no one" and "always have a go bag."

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 7 2022 11:03 utc | 13

Interesting and very good analysis by Scott Ritter
https://youtu.be/kfHohl6gCJY.

Posted by: Brad | Apr 7 2022 11:18 utc | 14

Not Einstein @ 11

Here is Ukraine Army visiting a group of military age men

https://t.me/realCRP/4183

This is not effective recruitment.This is done for amusement. Some of those young men will not even be medically capable of joining the military.

Ukraine has a tiny army. Forget entirely the alleged 300,000 Territorials and Volksturm. The conflict began with a supposed 250,000 in uniform. Of those at least 50,000 were either mercenary or Azov. Azov is a boys club and does not take orders from chain of command. So no more than 200,000 regular army. From an alleged population of 40,000,000. Not how a nation at war operates. The government has no support.. Only the ability to persist with foreign backing.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 7 2022 11:21 utc | 15

Arne @1,
Totally agree. DoD has been really quiet and when it does speak the words softly contradict the political statements. No doubt DoD is involved deeply, but everything about this looks like an op run out of State and CIA. (I no longer recognize a difference between them and I’m thankful I turned down the job offer from state in 02.) I’d bet Biden-Nuland wanted to be able to threaten serious troop insertion and DoD refused. The build up of US forces in E Europe is likely a compromise and no more than a tripwire. The logistical undertaking of having a force capable of anything more than slowing Russia down if this widens is massive.

Further reinforcement by the US would almost certainly require drawing down forces elsewhere or calling up reserve units (that won’t go over well). The Biden admin and state seem to think that the US military is a miracle worker. DoD may be overconfident but it’s probably not delusional. It would have to calculate losses, which cannot be pretty, even in the context of Russia using a light touch as it is now. The prime directive of DoD is to minimize US casualties for the purpose of information wars. That’s not possible in a European land war and we’re not privy to what loses DoD thinks it can sustain. They only have 6,500 tanks total.

Posted by: Lex | Apr 7 2022 11:36 utc | 16

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 7 2022 10:55 utc | 12

I understand Donald Trump had Alexander Vindman on his National Security staff whose brother was a senior ranking US Army officer.

I understand Victoria Nuland speaks Russian.

I think US is well-served by its Russian capabilities - fortunately all three would meet the Jared Kushner approval test

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 7 2022 11:40 utc | 17

OSCE SMM mission lost their UK and US members on Februari 12.

https://uatv.ua/en/part-of-osce-monitors-pulled-out-of-ukraine-due-to-security-situation-deterioration/

The main group left two weeks later when the hostilities started after Feb. 24.

Posted by: Oui | Apr 7 2022 11:48 utc | 18

All you need to know: Biden/US/West/NATO <- "Lying dog-faced, pony soldier!"

Posted by: Seer | Apr 7 2022 11:49 utc | 19

Iron fist approach by Washington and Brussels: CENSORSHIP of all military intelligence, websites and sociale media giving an independent view of status of forces. Ukraine armed forces on edge of collapse is a state secret for sake of national security in EU and US. Further ceasefire talks postponed a fortnight.

Posted by: Oui | Apr 7 2022 11:54 utc | 20

Which of course might beg the question: What else is US intelligence and military and its media dept lying about? But of course we know the answer: Everything they say. RIP George Carlin.

Posted by: jared | Apr 7 2022 12:02 utc | 21

The propaganda war is mainly for us, domestic audiences. It serves to create consent and incite the population of Europe to ask for more and more weapons, sanctions and diplomats expulsions. It will serve to blame the food and energy shortages on Putin. Make no mistake, the majority of the population is ill informed enough to believe them.

Posted by: maria | Apr 7 2022 12:03 utc | 22

Something sinister in VA, USA

https://news.yahoo.com/helicopter-crash-killed-army-pilot-014810913.html

Sounds like if USAF captain was assasinated at the cost of two helicopters

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 7 2022 12:11 utc | 23

Some random thoughts:

It would appear that the real purpose of announcing this was to get ahead of people calling out the US and its allies on their use of bad or even deliberately false "intelligence".

Following up on earlier speculation by this commenter, there was apparently an interview with Denys Prokopenko, the commander of the Azov Battalion, where he said that the Azov Battalion does not answer to Zelenskyy. Interesting.

Everyone should keep in mind that timestamps in files can be very easily faked.

Where did Jackrabbit go?

Posted by: Cynica | Apr 7 2022 12:14 utc | 24

Has anyone heard anything about destroying the neon productions plants? This could be a huge blow to the world economy.

Posted by: Eighthman | Apr 7 2022 12:15 utc | 25

Today is the first day since the Russian SMO started when my news feed is not just full of Ukraine stuff. So 6 weeks of that. Apparently there is a limit on how long it can go on.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 7 2022 12:22 utc | 26

The lesson that the public might learn from Ukraine is that it is not easy for Russia to remake a country to its desired form but it is fairly achievable to destroy it as functioning society - I suspect many Apple stores are now struggling in Ukraine. They thought they were having economic struggles previously.

If you invite your neighbors enemy to set up in potentially threatening posture on your property, you become unsafe and realy have no rationale to complain about being caught in the struggle that ensues. NATO is not your protector and not your friend. Neutrality and limited miltary of your own people is the best security.

Posted by: jared | Apr 7 2022 12:25 utc | 27

Does anyone expect the truth to ever come out about Bucha?
I am not hopeful.
It will be a contest of shouting matches
and in the west the mocking bird MSM is the loudest.

Posted by: librul | Apr 7 2022 12:33 utc | 28

@maria #22

Spot-on. It seems to be all about manufacturing consent.

Posted by: Cynica | Apr 7 2022 12:33 utc | 29

Regarding intelligence, interesting (however, expected) news comes from Mariupol. Telegram sources confirm the presence of NATO senior officers at the Azovstal plant. It is reported that the NATO members connected the Russian intelligence through an open radio channel and asked to be given the opportunity to evacuate to Dnepropetrovsk. This group includes colonels. The total number of Western military personnel is several dozen.

Posted by: alaff | Apr 7 2022 12:35 utc | 30

That photograph of the world press & the cat is wonderful, says it all really.. "Bodies... meh. Ukrainians.. pfft! Oh look a cat!"

It must have had a sparkly collar on.

Posted by: KP | Apr 7 2022 12:36 utc | 31

Pope Francis kisses Ukrainian flag from 'martyred' Bucha

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/pope-francis-kisses-ukrainian-flag-martyred-bucha-83909376

Posted by: librul | Apr 7 2022 12:37 utc | 32

@librul #32

The East-West split (from European and Christian perspectives) is very deep-seated, going back nearly a thousand years to the Great Schism of 1054.

Posted by: Cynica | Apr 7 2022 12:43 utc | 33

All your life, everyone you ever met, believed that they would never support Nazis.

Of course not.

Now you should know that they were all just one sentence away from supporting Nazis.

"How can there be Nazis in Ukraine if Zelensky is Jewish?"

That is all it takes. One sentence.

Never a Nazi supporter
One sentence
Nazi supporter.

Never a Nazi supporter
One sentence
Nazi supporter.

All your life, most everyone you will ever meet, is one sentence away from being a Nazi supporter.


Posted by: librul | Apr 7 2022 12:43 utc | 34

@ librul re Bergoglio:

Well, he was pater confessor to the Argentine fascist junta. Some people never change, except for the names.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 7 2022 12:47 utc | 35

@librul #34

At the risk of posting too much, the answer to that sentence is that the Nazi elements in Ukraine apparently don't answer to Zelenskyy. They apparently get their marching orders from a "higher power".

Posted by: Cynica | Apr 7 2022 12:47 utc | 36

Oh twitter is on a rampage. It has been suspending one account after another, that does not toe the line on Ukraine. That's four accounts the I know of in 48hrs. Glad Elon is there /s

Posted by: Sundial | Apr 7 2022 12:49 utc | 37

Fun flashback, US hero journalist from the Washington Post, Bob Woodward on Larry King responding to a caller asking what happens if the US invades Iraq and finds none of the WMD. Woodward says there is 0% chance of that happening...

https://twitter.com/0rf/status/1510306566704177165

Of course the whole Deep Throat thing was later revealed to be less righteous indignation rather than a powerplay within the FBI that used the CIA stenos at the WaPo to push it.

Posted by: Altai | Apr 7 2022 12:49 utc | 38

Yeah questioning the official narrative can get you banned, in this politically correct, cancel culture world.


"Twitter “permanently suspended” the retired US Marine Corps officer Scott Ritter on Wednesday, accusing him of engaging in prohibited behavior by questioning the claims of Ukrainian authorities that Russian soldiers had massacred civilians in Bucha near Kiev. Ritter is best known as the former UN weapons inspector who doubted US claims about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, invoked by Washington as a pretext for the 2003 invasion.

“So apparently I’ve been suspended from Twitter for the crime of challenging the orthodox narrative of the so-called Bucha massacre,” Ritter said on his Telegram channel, sharing a screenshot of the message he received from the Big Tech platform.

“I’ve appealed, so who knows what the future will bring,” Ritter said, adding that “Freedom of speech in America today is an endangered concept.”"


Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 7 2022 12:50 utc | 39


I see the Agile methodology has made it from software industry to the intelligence industry. Nothing is immune to this plague!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 12:53 utc | 40

To add to this story media reporting that Nancy Pelosi is to visit Taiwan, and meet with Taiwan leaders in Taipei, Chinese authorities are said to be furious with this, and have indicated that if the trip goes ahead that there will be serious repercussions, I'm thinking sanctions on the US.


"The US State Department has greenlit a potential deal that would see the US providing Taiwan with equipment and relevant training to support its Patriot air defense systems, the Pentagon’s Defense Security Cooperation Agency told the media on Wednesday.

According to the Pentagon, the total value of the deal might amount to up to $95 million. “This proposed sale serves US national, economic, and security interests by supporting the recipient’s continuing efforts to modernize its armed forces and to maintain a credible defensive capability,” "

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 7 2022 12:56 utc | 41

@ Cynica | Apr 7 2022 12:47 utc | 36

Re They apparently get their marching orders from a "higher power".

to complete their Master Plan which has been on hold for 70 years?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

Posted by: Iain | Apr 7 2022 13:01 utc | 42

Dmitry Medvedev's post yesterday. Google translation
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In memory of Żyrinowski

Like most of our citizens, this was the first time I saw Vladimir Zhirinovsky on TV. I cannot say that I was close to his rhetoric, but it was catchy, his statements were very brilliant, sometimes provocative, completely unlike the speeches of most politicians of the time. It was evident that the feverish speaker was very well educated, erudite, internally understands the canons of a completely new political species for our country.

Later, when I met Vladimir Volfovich in person, I realized that the external impression, as usual, was wrong. Yes, he has always voiced supernovae ideas, gushed with geopolitical and social projects, made deep history trips to reinforce his thoughts. He was well educated. But not only. He turned out to be a man with a state-minded attitude, a completely balanced analyst, a pragmatist of political life. This was surprising as it did not fit well with the image on the screen.

And next. He was a bit naive and even helpless. I remember how he rejoiced at the fish caught in the pond in Zawidów, where I invited the leaders of parliamentary factions. "Believe me, I've never caught anything like this," said Vladimir Volfovich enthusiastically. It was clear that this part of his life was very little known to him, contrary to the daily political struggles.

Vladimir Volfovich Zhirinovsky was loved and hated. Admired and ruthlessly criticized. There were no indifferent people. And probably not. But three things are for sure. Vladimir Zhirinovsky created the LDPR and was its heart, the main and most important actor in the politics of his party. Vladimir Zhirinovsky took a powerful part in creating all of contemporary Russian politics. Vladimir Zhirinovsky sincerely, in his own way, in a peculiar way peculiar only to him, tirelessly fought for the authority of Russia.

This is how we will remember him ...

Posted by: ostro | Apr 7 2022 13:03 utc | 43

The Polish president doesn't hold back.

"The only type of diplomatic engagement Western nations should have with Russia is setting ultimatums, Polish President Andrzej Duda said, as cited by CNN on Wednesday.

Duda, who background is in the ruling ultra-nationalist Law and Justice party, defended the position previously expressed by Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki, who criticized some European leaders, particularly French President Emmanuel Macron, for keeping diplomatic channels with Russia open. Morawiecki compared Russian President Vladimir Putin with Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Pol Pot, saying no one should talk to these types of leaders."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 7 2022 13:05 utc | 44

Posted by: Cynica | Apr 7 2022 12:47 utc | 36

Zyonists and Hitler were cooperating allies initially. They had perfectly fitting goals.

Zyonists needed to force Jews - urbanites - into Palestine deserts.
Hitler needed to force Jews out of Germany.

Perfect match.

Some Jews even said the Hitler affair started as a power struggle between Sephardi, entrenched in Europe and having their unofficial supranational governing structures, and Ashkenazi fleeing collapsed Russian Empire, and having their own authorities and less than willing to be second rate Jews. Then it went a little bit out of hand.

Other Jews speculate it was "cutting dead branches" instead. Cutting "Jews in name only" who instead of being governed by supranational Judaism structure were seduced and corrupt by secular European citizenships and laws.

Though, personally, i do not see those two interpretation conflicting but rather complementing each other.

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 7 2022 13:07 utc | 45

Finland joins the Empire of Lies game of seize everything that's Russian.


"Finland announced on Wednesday that its customs service seized Russian artwork that was returning after being loaned to exhibits in the EU and Japan, citing EU sanctions against Moscow over the conflict in Ukraine. The paintings and sculptures in question belong to Moscow’s Tretyakov Gallery and St. Petersburg’s Hermitage Museum, among others, and their value has been estimated at $46 million or more.

The seizure took place over the weekend at Vaalimaa, the busiest crossing on the Finland-Russia border, but Finnish Customs."


Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 7 2022 13:07 utc | 46

@Iain #42

In a manner of speaking. Russia's vast resources have been coveted by the West (led by the US) since the end of WWII. Apparently "everyone" expected the Soviets to go along with Bretton Woods and the "dollar colonialism" it set up. But they didn't. Thus began the "Cold War".

When the Soviet Union dissolved, there was a new opportunity to accomplish what had been stymied back around 1945. Then Vladimir Putin became president of the Russian Federation. He didn't take too kindly to his country's vast resources being pillaged by Western (led by the US) business interests. Hence he didn't fully cooperate with their designs for Russia. Supposedly this has led to a second "Cold War" of sorts, but it's really a continuation of the first.

Really the entire period after WWII can be called the "Cold War" - waged by the US and its close allies against the rest of the world. The US seeks nothing less than global economic dominance, because it believes that such a position could then be maintained forever. Pride goeth before a fall, as they say.

Posted by: Cynica | Apr 7 2022 13:25 utc | 47

@ Posted by: librul | Apr 7 2022 12:43 utc | 34

"How can there be Nazis in Ukraine if Zelensky is Jewish?"

Some thoughts -
A nazi supporting jew - nas that never happened.
Do jewish people own exclusively the right to be offended and threatened by nazism?
Ask Zelenski the above questin - the question should be interperated as "how does Zelensky as a jew (presumably actively and faithfully and not because of who his parents were) tolerate the prevelance of nazis and open support for nazis in the Ukraine?
I note that PM of Israel (I am going on a limb to guess he is jewish) advised Zelensky that he should yield to Russian demands and cease to resist.

Its just called "playing the race card" - confounding but almost universally invalid on its face and exhibiting manipulative and juvenile mentality.

Posted by: jared | Apr 7 2022 13:25 utc | 48

France and Turkey On NATO Mission to #mariupol

Basurin said that France was trying to evacuate foreign militants from Mariupol

France is trying to facilitate the deportation of Ukrainian militants from Mariupol, possibly foreign nationals. This was announced by the representative of the People's Militia of the DNR Eduard Basurin.

"They are still trying to take someone out of the city under the guise of the wounded, or in some other way, plus let's remember that France and Turkey have joined," Eduard Basurin told Russia 1. answering the question whether there are representatives of foreign intelligence in Mariupol.

According to political technologist Marat Bashirov, sources in Mariupol confirm the presence of NATO senior officers at Azovstal.

https://ro.today/14153-basurin-zajavil-o-popytkah-francii-vyvezti-inostrannyh-boevikov-iz-mariupolja.html


Posted by: Oui | Apr 7 2022 13:42 utc | 49

We are witnessing the termination of 500 years of western colonial rule. It's over. China is going to do whatever China wants to do, regardless of what the West says. Western sanctions have done nothing more than to expose the limits of global economic warfare. Beyond that there is only open conflict.

The question then becomes: what is it going to be? Karloff is right. Get out from behind Ukraine you bunch of cowardly bastards.

Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Apr 7 2022 13:46 utc | 50

The only thing "rock solid" in that field is the space between the ears.

Posted by: imo | Apr 7 2022 13:46 utc | 51

Posted by: watcher | Apr 7 2022 12:25 utc | 303 (from the previous post)


It is nothing to do with free speech - it is just racist muck.

No race has been discussed.

See how self-censorship works?

They've wired a little pavlov-circuit into your brain to make you jump to attention on keyword. On command.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 13:01 utc | 306

so we have all the open and stupid, most idiotic antisemitism ans racism about jews and the protocols again on this site, like 2014. I would kindly remind the host and owner to think about his position and his responsibility and immediatly ban these dumbheads and delete that kind of kack, as we say in South Africa, otherwise I would just advise the Hamburg police to take the necessary steps.

Posted by: thomas | Apr 7 2022 13:50 utc | 52

Have you all heard/read about the latest "intelligence" from the German Federal Intelligence Service (BND)? They claim to have intercepted radio transmissions from Russian military personnel containing new information on the atrocities in the Ukrainian village of Butscha.

"In the intercepted radio communication, murders of civilians in Butscha are discussed; individual radio transmissions are also said to be attributable to corpses photographed in Butscha: According to the magazine*, the BND has already informed the relevant parliamentary authorities in Berlin."

Translated from:
https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/bnd-ukraine-105.html

*Der Spiegel

Posted by: venice12 | Apr 7 2022 13:51 utc | 53

Altai @ 38

Bob Woodward was outed long ago. See Seymour Hersh, The Price of Power. He was and is Naval Intelligence. Direct from being an aide to Kissinger to byline reporter at WP.

Mockingbird has been the name of the game since 1947. It is not a project that operates occasionally here and there. It is the entire media all the time. Media control has always been the primary function of CIA.

Posted by: or | Apr 7 2022 13:51 utc | 54

“or” above is yours truly thanks to spellcheck.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 7 2022 13:53 utc | 55

Posted by: librul | Apr 7 2022 12:37 utc | 32

Pope Francis kisses Ukrainian flag from 'martyred' Bucha

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/pope-francis-kisses-ukrainian-flag-martyred-bucha-83909376

He needs to be interviewed after we find out that those bodies are of Christian Eastern Orthodox people killed by Christian Catholic(?) Nazis.

Posted by: Seer | Apr 7 2022 13:57 utc | 56

Posted by: thomas | Apr 7 2022 13:50 utc | 52


so we have all the open and stupid, most idiotic antisemitism ans racism about jews and the protocols again on this site, like 2014.

No semites have been discussed. No mention was made of Palestinians, Assyrians, Phoenicians, Canaanites or related people once termed "semitic" in a negative sense.

No race has been discussed. Reference to a religion and an ideology was made.


I would kindly remind the host and owner to think about his position and his responsibility and immediatly ban these dumbheads and delete that kind of kack, as we say in South Africa, otherwise I would just advise the Hamburg police to take the necessary steps.

I do not remember when last the Hamburgh police had jusrisdiction in South Africa.
Perhaps you have not heard the news that the Afrikaner is no longer in charge there?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 14:02 utc | 57

@librul | Apr 7 2022 12:43 utc | 34

"How can there be Nazis in Ukraine if Zelensky is Jewish?"

You are obviously not a Palestinian living in Gaza.

Zelensky is a paid-for actor following a script. He's as much a president as "Dr Kildare" was a medical doctor.

And as for Ashkenazi 'Jews' -- it is debatable whether that tribe of 9th century converts have any real link with the more original aspects of that post-Zoroastrian religion that rebelled out of what is now Iraq. The contemporary behaviour suggests not much. These nazi types are shape-shifting actors inside a cult environment. The actual uniform and rituals du jour are less important than the ability to crawl inside them and hide. Like certain crabs hiding inside old shells. As long as they can exercise loyalty to some form of 'exceptionalism' they are at home. The personality type fills both police ranks and bikie gangs -- it's just a question of which side of the coin the social programming and cultural environment has selected for them during their formative years.

Posted by: imo | Apr 7 2022 14:02 utc | 58

b.,

two matters which do not do much for the credibility of this site

(1) could you please remove the anti-semitic posts.
(2) in terms of atrocities there is never mentioned, among other things, the execution of prisoners by the Russians. Does this mean that you do not believe that this is occuring?

Posted by: ge73 | Apr 7 2022 14:09 utc | 59

A picture paints a thousand words.

That photo says everything I ever thought about media war whores.

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Apr 7 2022 14:18 utc | 60

Below is a current posting title at Reuters showing SSDD Same Shit Different Day

"
WHO says making contingency plans for possible 'chemical assaults' in Ukraine
"

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 7 2022 14:18 utc | 61

In my opinion, the Empire (US, EU, NATO… and other bits) is currently conducting “Unrestricted Warfare” (Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui, Beijing: PLA Literature and Arts Publishing House, February 1999)

https://www.c4i.org/unrestricted.pdf

against Russia more particularly… and against China as well.

That means said Empire has become totally unreliable and cannot therefore be reasonably trusted in anything it says and does.

Hence we must act accordingly and not waste precious time constantly “arguing” against, and “explaining” unworthy, fake material.

All our efforts ought to be directed towards fighting, crushing and defeating the hostile, criminal Empire.

Posted by: Louis Robert | Apr 7 2022 14:19 utc | 62

AngloMurican Intelligence: A ClusterFracked Rudderless Oxymoron.

Posted by: IronForge | Apr 7 2022 14:20 utc | 63

@thomas #52

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”

- C. S. Lewis

Posted by: Cynica | Apr 7 2022 14:21 utc | 64

Posted by: venice12 | Apr 7 2022 13:51 utc | 53

BND is completely dominated by CIA. It was responsible for "Curveball" the mysterious Iraqi informer who alerted the world to his work on Saddam's bioweapons - he was a fake.

BND is typical German Tollpatschigkeit no doubt feeding CIA and SBU crap

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 7 2022 14:22 utc | 65

Posted by: thomas | Apr 7 2022 13:50 utc | 52

Who made you an authority on free speech? If you don't like it here, there are thousands of censored sites for you to enjoy. Gute farht!

Posted by: Boo | Apr 7 2022 14:22 utc | 66

Posted by: ge73 | Apr 7 2022 14:09 utc | 59


(1) could you please remove the anti-semitic posts.

We have yet to see an "anti-semitic" post on this site.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 14:25 utc | 67

"How can there be Nazis in Ukraine if Zelensky is Jewish?"

How did the war burgs sit on the board of I G Farben making Zyklon B ?

How was Luftwaffe General Milch of Jewish parentage ?

Why did Robert Ley of Arbeitsfront have Jewish antecedents ?

Why were early funders of NSDAP Jewish bankers ?

Bad choices ????????

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 7 2022 14:26 utc | 68

Who made you an authority on free speech? If you don't like it here, there are thousands of censored sites for you to enjoy. Gute farht!

Posted by: Boo | Apr 7 2022 14:22 utc | 66


While I am -- to put it mildly -- unimpressed by user thomas, he might unfortunately have a point. In the USA the discussion at hand easily falls under protected speech. In Germany, where b is domiciled and (afaik) his server is too, speech restrictions appear to be quite severe and infractions punishable. This much said, I'm no expert as to how German courts decide what is antisemitic or neo-Nazi speech, and the degree to which a site owner is legally culpable for any such speech that may occur on the site.

I would be grateful to have the site owner's informed judgment on the matter.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 7 2022 14:31 utc | 69

"8:58 6 Apr - In eastern Ukraine, some don't blame Putin for the war
Jonathan Beale, BBC News, Donbas"

The above time and date stamp is not on the linked site. Can't find the article that is referred. Is this an error? Jonathan Beale appears at 8:38 - Thousands flee as Russia steps up its push for eastern Ukraine. However, there is no mention of "two elderly women"

Posted by: Edo | Apr 7 2022 14:32 utc | 70

Regarding the Der Spiegel story (different source with more details), while at the moment they are only allegations, this is enough. They are immediately taken as fact and, even if later shown to be false, the allegations alone will probably be what stick in people's heads. If proven unfounded, months later people will still be saying "But Germany showed hard evidence of Russian involvement!"

How strong are the claims? Supposedly intercepts of Russian troops which can be linked to victims in Bucha.

Some of the radio messages can also be assigned to corpses photographed in Butscha. A mass grave and dozens of corpses of civilians were discovered in the town after the Russian military left over the weekend.

The corpses in this grave have been shown on video where the local doctors disposing of the bodies called them "civilian defenders" (Volkssturm fighters) who were killed during the initial Russian entry into the town.

In a radio message, one soldier is said to have told another that he and his colleagues had shot someone off their bicycle. A picture of a corpse on her bike went around the world.

If true, this may, or may not, indicate targeting of a civilian. However, the Volkssturm were the citizens armed by Zelenksy to engage in combat. As such, no lonerN civilian but not professional military, it is not improbable that one, bearing weapons, may have rode a bicycle. Still, it may be a case of targeting civilians, i.e. it is something that deserves to be investigated but as yet is not evidence of a crime.

In another radio message, a man is said to have said: First question soldiers, then shoot them.

Again, if true, this needs to be investigated to determine the source and location of the message. Was it a Russian soldier? Was it an officer giving direct orders or was it just some private watching the video of Ukrainians shooting Russian POWs and saying "So is this what we do now? First we question soldiers then shoot them?" a statement that might be taken as disbelief or disgust at others actions rather than a statement of intent. He might even have been saying "Look! The Ukrainians first question soldiers, then shoot them. This is horrible." with the first and last three words clipped from the edit. It is very easy to manipulate out of context comments and while it is very important to investigate any and all possible signs of criminal acts against civilians, it is also important not to rush to judgement before the investigation occurs.

Posted by: Brannagyn | Apr 7 2022 14:34 utc | 71

Berlin, May 1945. Two Russians soldiers are standing in front of the burnt-out Reichstag, calmly smoking cigarettes. One turns to the other and says: "rumor is we lost the information war."

Posted by: trisha | Apr 7 2022 14:36 utc | 72

Ethnic Greeks in Mariupol.

https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/04/07/greek-parliament-azov-battalion/


Zelensky gave his video address in the presence of President of the Hellenic Republic Katerina Sakellaropoulou, Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis, main opposition SYRIZA-Progressive Alliance leader Alexis Tsipras, the head of the opposition Movement for Change (KINAL) parliamentary group Michalis Katrinis and MeRA25 representative Giorgos Logiadis. The parliamentary groups of the Communist Party of Greece (KKE), MeRA25 and the right-wing Elliniki Lysi were absent.

Controversy arose though when Zelensky included a video message from a member of the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, who claimed to be Greek.


...

In 2018, a provision in an appropriations bill passed by the U.S. Congress blocked military aid to Azov on the grounds of its white supremacist ideology; in 2015, a similar ban on aid to the group was overturned by the Congress.

Members of the regiment come from 22 countries and are of various backgrounds.

The unit’s first commander was far-right nationalist Andriy Biletsky, who led the neo-Nazi Social-National Assembly and Patriot of Ukraine.

In its early days, Azov was a special police company of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, led by Volodymyr Shpara, the leader of the Vasylkiv, Kyiv, branch of Patriot of Ukraine and Right Sector.

In 2018, the U.S. House of Representatives also passed a provision blocking any training of Azov members by American forces, citing its neo-Nazi connections.

The House had previously passed amendments banning support of Azov between 2014 and 2017, but due to pressure from The Pentagon, the amendments were quietly lifted.

This was protested by the Simon Wiesenthal Center which stated that lifting the ban highlighted the danger of Holocaust distortion in Ukraine.


Posted by: librul | Apr 7 2022 14:41 utc | 73

Shall we guess where this "intelligence" comes from? Reminds me of the mobile bioweapon labs in Iraq.

https://summit.news/2022/04/07/viral-mobile-crematorium-tweet-is-from-an-8-year-old-youtube-video/

Posted by: venice12 | Apr 7 2022 14:41 utc | 74

@ge73 #59:

in terms of atrocities there is never mentioned, among other things, the execution of prisoners by the Russians. Does this mean that you do not believe that this is occuring?

There is zero evidence that Russians are executing Ukrainian POWs. On the contrary, Ukrainians POWs are well-fed and provided with necessary medical care. On the other hand, there is plenty of evidence that Ukrainians are executing Russian POWs. Here’s an example: video.

Conclusion: you are another Western moralizing liar.

Posted by: S | Apr 7 2022 14:43 utc | 75

venice12 (53).


The BND has a permanent residency in Washington and BND personnel are regularly briefed by CIA personnel. The BND has been spying on European politicians and enterprises at the behest of the NSA for over a decade.

The US has completely compromised the BND, and dare I say Germany with it.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 7 2022 14:49 utc | 76

@Seer | Apr 7 2022 13:57 utc | 56

Pope Francis kisses Ukrainian flag from 'martyred' Bucha

This is the flag of the army which has been killing thousands of its own Russian-speaking citizens by shell fire and mortar since 2015. I guess this is a case of "It never happened. Nothing ever happened. Even while it was happening it wasn't happening. It didn't matter. It was of no interest."

Posted by: cirsium | Apr 7 2022 14:56 utc | 77

The BND has been spying at the behest of the NSA for over a decade ….

More likely for over half a century … operation Gladio.

Posted by: Oui | Apr 7 2022 14:59 utc | 78

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 7 2022 14:31 utc | 69

I'm not informed as well, but IMHO, the situation here is of someone who wants to set the boundaries of what is permitted and what is not, even threatening with report to police (in Hamburg?!?, how precise, not). AFAIK, nobody has even cited texts from the damn protocols of zion, I doubt that the police in Germany would even care if they are mentioned in a discourse. I just checked with wikipedia (which should be in effect quite eager to exaggerate in this case, IMO):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Germany

in section Re-unified Germany (1990–present)

The only obvious thing is denial of the Holocaust and using NSDAP materials. Obviously, b. knows much better than me, but I doubt that the particular exchange that I followed in the previous thread is anything to worry about.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 7 2022 15:02 utc | 79

All your life, most everyone you will ever meet, is one sentence away from being a Nazi supporter.


Posted by: librul | Apr 7 2022 12:43 utc | 34

If there is one Nazi and 10 other people sitting in a room having a discussion, what do you have?

11 Nazis sitting in a room having a discussion.

Old German joke.

Posted by: bubbles | Apr 7 2022 15:02 utc | 80

While I am -- to put it mildly -- unimpressed by user thomas, he might unfortunately have a point.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 7 2022 14:31 utc | 69

I'm not in this world to impress you, racist m.....f.....

But b knows exactly what I'm talking about, 2014 is not forgotten, still alive. The memory of Bert Brecht and Kurt Weill and their famous "Moon of Alabama" song will not be dragged into the dirt by you and your stupid followers

Posted by: thomas | Apr 7 2022 15:05 utc | 81

The US president and his underlings have been ranting about a "Russian massacre" in Bucha while more sanctions have been placed, including on Putin's family, and widespread expulsion of Russian diplomats. These actions are all based on unproven claims from Ukraine which the MSM, as well as the US and its puppet allies, have repeated as fact: Zelenskyy said the Russian military must be held accountable for war crimes in Bucha and elsewhere in the
country.

On the US side, these claims have not been addressed by US intelligence. The 27 US intelligence agencies haven't made a peep. The Pentagon has said that the charges can't be confirmed. It is only the US State Department that has charged Russia with war crimes (prior to Bucha) and with the only basis being "information currently available" which of course is not reliable. State does say that a court of law is necessary to prove guilt but makes the charges of Russian guilt anyhow, along with Biden's crazy crowing about nasty Russia.

. . .on March 23, from Foggy Bottom:

Today, I [Blinken] can announce that, based on information currently available, the U.S. government assesses that members of Russia’s forces have committed war crimes in Ukraine. Our assessment is based on a careful review of available information from public and intelligence sources. As with any alleged crime, a court of law with jurisdiction over the crime is ultimately responsible for determining criminal guilt in specific cases.. .here

The International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague hash opened an investigation into possible war crimes and crimes against humanity. On March 2 ICC Prosecutor
Karim A.A. Khan announced his decision to seek authorisation to open an investigation into the Situation in Ukraine. He said he had received referrals of the Situation in Ukraine from the 39 ICC States Parties (all US puppets). .here . But the Biden administration has not yet said whether the United States will assist in the ICC investigation, according to the Washington Post here April 5.

Meanwhile, recently the UN Security Council has had a Russia-called meeting which didn't place blame for Bucha but called for an independent investigation.
. . .from UN Secretary-General:
“I am deeply shocked by the images of civilians killed in Bucha, Ukraine,” said Mr. Guterres in a tersely worded statement , which was also posted on his official Twitter account. It is essential that an independent investigation leads to effective accountability.” here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 7 2022 15:06 utc | 82

For those who want to play 'anti-semitism' cop please take your efforts over to unz.com and play in their sandbox. You're sure to have lots of fun. MOA by comparison is Haaretz.

cheers!

Posted by: gottlieb | Apr 7 2022 15:10 utc | 83

Posted by: thomas | Apr 7 2022 15:05 utc | 81

You come across as a typical Afrikaner. There's another pseudo-ethnic minority we're glad are no longer in power.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 15:12 utc | 84

And the US is not an ICC member. And the UK refuses to allow passage of a rule to disallow offensive wars to be a war crime (not sure of exact verbiage, but this is the gist of it). These are clear signs of guilt. Seems that there's something about living in glass houses and casting stones...

I wonder what "rules based" evidence these two clown-countries can cook up to make this stick. BUT, it really is more about programming their sheep to happily take more sheering (dole out more to the War mafia).

Posted by: Seer | Apr 7 2022 15:14 utc | 85

Russian military is feeding Ukrainian POWs with traditional Ukrainian dishes—borscht and bread with lard: video.

So much for the claims made by Ukrainian Ombudsman Lyudmila Denisova, an unhinged liar, that Russians are torturing Ukrainian POWs.

Posted by: S | Apr 7 2022 15:16 utc | 86

"More likely for over half a century … operation Gladio."

Qui (78).

Oh yes I totally agree with that, and not forgetting-The BND was responsible for briefing the Iraqi defector known as 'Curveball' after he claimed asylum in Germany in 1999. His stories would later form the basis of a claim in George W. Bush's 2003 state of the union address that Iraq had mobile biological weapons labs

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 7 2022 15:24 utc | 87

"We have yet to see an "anti-semitic" post on this site.
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 14:25 utc | 67"
You contribute a lot of that the whole day. I do not vote for censoring it. I express my disguss about shitty mindfuck like that.
It does not surprise me that you are mentally and intellectually unable to ever decorate your generally quite dumb remarks with any rational argument.
No censorship, but for the sake of taste and reason drop such things. That is all.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 7 2022 15:24 utc | 88

no matter how compromised the BND is, and it undoubtedly is, it was not responsible for curveball. iirc, the BND and even the fucking MOSSAD warned the US he was not reliable. That was all on the US, which eagerly lapped up the lies cause it helped catapult the US into war.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 7 2022 15:25 utc | 89

@Posted by: librul | Apr 7 2022 14:41 utc | 73

Looks like The Greek Times has a plagiarism problem.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-azov-copied-third-reich-miniature-vladislav-maltsev-eger

The last several lines of the Greek Times article are lifted unchanged from this:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/how-azov-copied-third-reich-miniature-vladislav-maltsev-eger

The latter link has much info on the Azov Battalion.

...

I have been trying to confirm what the articles said about the Simon Wiesenthal Center:


The House had previously passed amendments banning support of Azov between 2014 and 2017, but due to pressure from The Pentagon, the amendments were quietly lifted.

This was protested by the Simon Wiesenthal Center which stated that lifting the ban highlighted the danger of Holocaust distortion in Ukraine.

I have searched and searched, including on the Simon Wiesenthal Center website, for confirmation of their protest.
I can find nothing to confirm it. Either it is incorrect or the search engines have cleansed it.

Posted by: librul | Apr 7 2022 15:27 utc | 90

When your existence model is based on the imperial theft of other people's resources while being papered over by a holier than thou hypocrisy then you have to step up the bullshit to keep your own hoi polloi believing the illusion that feeds and clothes them. And when you meet up on a victim that is strong and resistant and who threatens your survival model you really have to break out the lies to keep your beneficiaries/partners on board. That's the position America is in now and all Russia and China has to do is truthfully expose what their opponent is doing while trying to keep their own nose reasonably clean. A significant minority of Americans know it's ALL bullshit and it's getting to where even the most daft hoi polloi can begin to smell that something ain't right.

Posted by: Befree | Apr 7 2022 15:27 utc | 91

@Posted by: librul | Apr 7 2022 15:27 utc | 90

Edit to @90.

This is the Greek Times link:

https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/04/07/greek-parliament-azov-battalion/

Posted by: librul | Apr 7 2022 15:30 utc | 92

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 7 2022 15:24 utc | 88


You contribute a lot of that the whole day. I do not vote for censoring it. I express my disguss about shitty mindfuck like that.

Care to provide an example?

An interesting pattern is emerging:

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 7 2022 15:24 utc | 88
Posted by: thomas | Apr 7 2022 15:05 utc | 81

Users making unfounded claims of anti-semitism in crude, primitive tones and making incoherent grunts of disapproval suggesting reprisals, appeals to "the authorities" ... I await to see how this unfolds.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 15:31 utc | 93

I see the Agile methodology has made it from software industry to the intelligence industry. Nothing is immune to this plague!

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 12:53 utc | 40

I had a giggle at that one. I was a veteran IT Project Manager when "Agile" entered the industry lexicon. "So we can write the project requirements on the fly while as the UI and programming work is done.", I said. "Works for me." (patch-release, patch-release, patch-release...) "We can do that, but it would have been easier if you thought of it at the start."

A perfect analogy for how propaganda and "intelligence" function these days. Plus Millennials just don't have the attention span of the old-timers, but then neither does the target audience for the message.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 7 2022 15:32 utc | 94

Germany's got the intel on the Russians shooting POWs in Ukraine.
. . from Stripes

BERLIN — Germany’s foreign intelligence service claims to have intercepted radio communications in which Russian soldiers discuss carrying out indiscriminate killings in Ukraine.
In two separate communications, Russian soldiers described how they question soldiers as well as civilians and then proceed to shoot them, according to an intelligence official familiar with the findings who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the matter’s sensitivity.
The findings, first reported by the German magazine Der Spiegel and confirmed by three people briefed on the information, further undermine claims by Russia that atrocities are being carried out only after its soldiers leave occupied areas.. .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 7 2022 15:32 utc | 95

no doubt the cat was the source for the Russian atrocities "intelligence" but cannot be identified due to the need to protect sources and methods.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 7 2022 15:36 utc | 96

Posted by: Oui | Apr 7 2022 13:42 utc | 49

there were some rumours as if NATO brazz captured around Mariupol was already moved to Crimea to be interrogated and to star in June or July i nwar crimes tribunal

granted, whether those rumours are leaks or wishful thinking i am not sure myself

well, if not a person sharing them, i would surely write them off as a feverish dreams

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 7 2022 15:44 utc | 97

@librul #90:

I can find nothing to confirm it. Either it is incorrect or the search engines have cleansed it.

Several days ago I have noticed that the links that I could previously reliably find with a few keywords (it was more convenient for me than using bookmarks) no longer show up in search results. One way out is to specify the “site:” prefix when searching. For example, instead of typing

    Bucha

in the search field, type

    site:consortiumnews.com Bucha

Obviously, you will have to repeat this for multiple websites: moonofalabama.org, consortiumnews.com, thegrayzone.com, rt.com, etc. Someone should write a browser plug-in that automatically searches information on a pre-defined list of websites. It will be slow, but at least it will allow us to find information.

Posted by: S | Apr 7 2022 15:46 utc | 98

"Works for me." (patch-release, patch-release, patch-release...) "We can do that, but it would have been easier if you thought of it at the start."

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 7 2022 15:32 utc | 94

Well, proper "waterfall" - and it was centuries before computers and IT appeared - actually was meant to be like that:

1) Build the solution. Destroy it totally.
2) Build the solution (from scratch again). Destroy it totally.
3) Build the solution (from scratch again) and finally start marketing and selling it.


1) the whole development cycle was only a research tool: what we actually want and what we actually can?
2) this was an actual attempt, but it died of "second system syndrome".

Whether that in total was cheaper than "patch-release-would have been easier if you thought of it at the start" i am not sure.

The idea of "eternal better" and "worse is better"(which includes "first to the market" and other concepts) is not the effect of "agile" but the cause of it.

Mass consumer chooses "lemon markets" - and it is not IT-special, it is global problem. It is just that IT adapted to is and since consumer wants to purchase cheap trash - IT would focus on producing it. So IT was chosen to be "the face of it". Because, it adapted easier and maybe started spearheading it.

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 7 2022 15:52 utc | 99

> The idea of "eternal better"

ooops

eternal beta-version

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 7 2022 15:53 utc | 100

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