Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …
|
|
|
|
Back to Main
|
||
|
April 24, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-54
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …
Comments
“Synthetic Left Joins Corporate Right in Getting Ukraine War Wrong” Posted by: Oso | Apr 24 2022 15:57 utc | 1 and Howie Hawkins referring to a “Ukranian Resistance” is like referring to the Klan supporters opposing the administrations civil rights act in Selma,Al as southern resistance. Posted by: Oso | Apr 24 2022 16:05 utc | 2 Must-watch interview of Sergey Lavrov by Indian journalist Geeta Mohan (published April 19): Posted by: farm ecologist | Apr 24 2022 16:10 utc | 3 @Oso Posted by: Cthulhu | Apr 24 2022 16:37 utc | 4 (reposting from the wrong thread) Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 24 2022 16:52 utc | 5 Cthulhu@4 Posted by: bevin | Apr 24 2022 17:04 utc | 6 Dear friends and fellow comentators: You are being deceived. Please stop over-analyzing the little war in Ukraine and commence fighting the really big, real war that it has been exploited to ignite. Thank you. Posted by: blues | Apr 24 2022 17:32 utc | 7 [missed the NOT Ukraine instruction – repost] Posted by: librul | Apr 24 2022 17:50 utc | 8 https://turcopolier.com/ukrainian-targeting-is-remarkably-precise/ Posted by: morongobill | Apr 24 2022 18:01 utc | 9 the west standing up for what was forbidden and fought against in WW2. A rewrite of history steeped in cancel culture.
Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 24 2022 18:08 utc | 10 The article from Covert Action Magazine above in is an excellent sociopolitical analysis of the Ukrainian situation. The second half in particular is illuminating, worth the read! Thanks B! Posted by: Peter Fenton | Apr 24 2022 18:08 utc | 11 Time to review films like “Three Days of the Condor” or “Seven Days in May” Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 24 2022 18:11 utc | 12 The ugly face of the West out in the open for all to see. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 24 2022 18:11 utc | 13 @Posted by: bevin | Apr 24 2022 17:04 utc | 6 Azov battalion soldier calling for the cutting-off of the heads of the children in the Donbas, this comes on top of a Ukrainian doctor calling for the castration of Russian troops, and then there’s this, Ukrainian TV host Fahrudin Sharafman quoted Adolf Eichmann, one of the organizers of the Holocaust, and called on air for the killing of Russian civilians, including children. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 24 2022 18:14 utc | 15 I strongly urge you to read the Haaretz article linked @Posted by: librul | Apr 24 2022 17:50 utc | 8
There is gas/oil in the Donbas.
This thug oligarch is crucial to understanding the conflict in Ukraine. Posted by: librul | Apr 24 2022 18:32 utc | 16 The Guardian is reporting that forensic autopsies from Bucha reveal that most bodies from the “mass graves” suffered from flechettes released from artillery explosions. While maintaining these flechettes are consistent with Russian shells, the story does not follow the obvious logic that the shelling of the town came from Ukraine positions during fighting related to Russia military occupation of the area (unless the Russians shelled themselves) – which is consistent with the timing of satellite imagery and the digging of temporary graves beside a church. So Bucha will join Kramatorsk as false attribution propaganda stunts which will disappear from MSM consciousness rather than be corrected. Posted by: jayc | Apr 24 2022 18:38 utc | 17 My name is Aleph, and I used to read CounterPunch.
Sorry to reprint such foul dreck. Just so you know: the mere fumes around CounterPunch are obnoxious with artificial chemicals, smelling suspiciously like eau de state department. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 18:40 utc | 18 @librul Apr 24 2022 18:32 utc | 16 Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 24 2022 18:44 utc | 19 Great news! Strategic Culture (SCF) is back! Posted by: pasha | Apr 24 2022 18:46 utc | 20 According to sources, after WW II, Allen Dulles of the CIA kept the Banderite movement alive in the Ukraine as a weapon against the Soviets–they killed thousands of Soviets: Ukrainians and Russians. Many of these Nazis went to the US and Canada. The ideological descendants of this movement became the CIA’s main weapon in the 2014 Maidan coup. There are many Nazi groups, but chief among them are Right Sector, Svoboda, and the Azov Battalion. They have infiltrated all levels of Ukrainian government, military, and society. Forgive me for not having sources immediately available. Posted by: Ted Tripp | Apr 24 2022 18:47 utc | 21 @ blues | Apr 24 2022 17:32 utc | 7 Posted by: james | Apr 24 2022 19:03 utc | 22 what is interesting to me is how some from the pat lang site have broken rank with pat… apparently being opposed to communism and the red threat back in the 50’s is good enough for pat 70 years on.. meanwhile, larry johnson has a different view of it all… i wonder what kinds of interesting conversations larry and pat have with one another? i think larry has written ttg off completely, as having gone bonkers… Posted by: james | Apr 24 2022 19:09 utc | 23 The Warburgs were a German Jewish banking family Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 24 2022 19:14 utc | 24 @Aleph i too used to read Counterpounch daily until about 1 to 1& 1/2 years ago. I’m not sure why, i just slowly stopped reading. I think it may have to do with the old man passing and his son taking over. It’s been about a year since I’ve been on the site. So, after your comment i went back and read Fridays post, Posted by: Mark | Apr 24 2022 19:19 utc | 25 With all due respect to Colonel Lang, I think his site has lost all credibility. Something snapped in the man, and he has lost the ability to be dispassionate and rational. Posted by: Chris | Apr 24 2022 19:20 utc | 26 JIMSTONEindia.com has photos o “billions” of dollars worth of artillery cartridges, many that I can’t pronounce. various missiles, even Russian. it was from the Odessa this morning, at the airport. several buildings. RF seized it. one photo shows an underground. I have nit the total assemblage in any Russia website./ Posted by: Joe | Apr 24 2022 19:27 utc | 27 librul | Apr 24 2022 18:32 utc | 16 Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 24 2022 19:29 utc | 28 No need for russian energy? Posted by: petergrfstrm | Apr 24 2022 19:41 utc | 29 #—Posted by: Cthulhu | Apr 24 2022 16:37 utc | 4 Posted by: Anne B | Apr 24 2022 19:42 utc | 30 @Cthulhu | Apr 24 2022 16:37 utc | 4 Posted by: aquadraht | Apr 24 2022 19:43 utc | 31 In the previous thread Posted by: JB | Apr 24 2022 19:48 utc | 32 Poets, priests and politicians Posted by: Oh | Apr 24 2022 20:04 utc | 33 Roger@14 Posted by: bevin | Apr 24 2022 20:09 utc | 34 The story is that the Russia military brutally kills many civilians, whereas the US does not. . .And the US has the proof. Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 20:15 utc | 35 OUT OUT within 24hrs…Afghan Refugees Kicked Out For Ukrainians 1,772 views Apr 24, 2022 Posted by: JC | Apr 24 2022 20:27 utc | 36 Likklemore | Apr 24 2022 18:08 utc | 10 Posted by: donten | Apr 24 2022 20:28 utc | 37 Likklemore, please excuse me! the post was meant for Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 18:40 utc | 18 Posted by: donten | Apr 24 2022 20:32 utc | 38 Posted by: Oh | Apr 24 2022 20:04 utc | 33 Posted by: HerrHesser | Apr 24 2022 20:37 utc | 39 morongobill | Apr 24 2022 18:01 utc | 9 Posted by: donten | Apr 24 2022 20:42 utc | 40 Why ain’t you kickin’ it with Compton Jay and everyone over at: https://youtu.be/hLXZZyvQ-m8 Posted by: Bo Robinson | Apr 24 2022 20:48 utc | 41 Posted by: HerrHesser | Apr 24 2022 20:37 utc | 39 Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 24 2022 21:02 utc | 42 i guess Pat Lang was controlled opposition, too. Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 24 2022 21:02 utc | 43 @26 chris Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 24 2022 21:04 utc | 44 Apologies to our host for posting this in the wrong thread:
Well! That’s easy to argue now, but there was never any intention of those states becoming “post-Soviet” when they were formed. As the author noted, “When Ukraine was incorporated into the USSR, the nationality question was kept under control by the fact that Soviet citizenship was not restricted by ethnic identity and all Ukrainians were citizens of the Soviet Union.” This supranational identity superseded the national identities across the Soviet Union and rendered the nationalist tendencies irrelevant. That arrangement would have continued for as long as the Soviet Union existed as a socialist entity. Had not the arrogant bureaucrats greedily sold out the USSR for the opportunity to become the Slavic equivalents of J.R. Ewing and Blake Carrington then the Ukraine would today be an advanced and moderately wealthy country with an abundance of good high tech jobs and a comfortable standard of living. Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 24 2022 21:07 utc | 45 i guess Pat Lang was controlled opposition, too. Posted by: Chris | Apr 24 2022 21:16 utc | 46 Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 24 2022 12:52 utc | 48 Posted by: njet | Apr 24 2022 21:27 utc | 47 Must-watch interview of Sergey Lavrov by Indian journalist Geeta Mohan. Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 24 2022 21:34 utc | 48 Posted by: Chris | Apr 24 2022 21:16 utc | 46 Posted by: Paco | Apr 24 2022 21:34 utc | 49 Posted by: Chris | Apr 24 2022 21:16 utc | 46 Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 24 2022 21:34 utc | 50 I, for some reason assumed, that Azovstahl would be cordoned off along the perimeter of the industrial area, in light of Putin’s decision to veto the storming operation. Sources on the ground, however, demonstrate that the operation is still ongoing. Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 24 2022 21:42 utc | 51 #34 bevin Posted by: Roger | Apr 24 2022 21:53 utc | 52 #52 Posted by: Roger | Apr 24 2022 21:55 utc | 53 Such are the threats that Anatoli Sharyí receives from Ukrainian fascists in Spain, threatening him and his family, wife and baby, for being a Ukrainian anti-fascist. Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 22:00 utc | 54 Bilestsky, commander of Azov Battallion, who was whitewashed as hero of Ukrainian resitance by Spanish private TV some days ago, has menaced with launching missiles against any intend of celebrating “Immortal Regiment” in Mariupol next May 9th to celebrate the defeat of fascism and remember the fallen in that fight… Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 22:07 utc | 55 One thing that we must all be careful about when discussing the history of any war or any diplomatic or social or commercial action, is to avoid assuming there is ever a single, unifying objective. There are groups with opposing objectives in all societies, so saying the US or UK did this or that actually has limited meaning. Moreover people change with circumstances and what say Roosevelt or Churchill planned in January may have changed by June. Opponents may become allies and former allies enemies. That is the nature of real politics and over simplification is dangerous. Posted by: watcher | Apr 24 2022 22:09 utc | 56 Mr. Slensky stated, “Since Russian military vehicles , decorated with all Latin letters, have been driving through Ukraine, it is considered a war crime to publicly play “Alphabet Street” from Prince .” Posted by: theresamarquesa | Apr 24 2022 22:14 utc | 57 Joe@27…that arsenal on the vid was taken in the LDNR, Russia has no ground forces in Odessa…that’s not saying they don’t blow stuff up in Odessa, just Orcs don’t post pics of it. Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 24 2022 22:14 utc | 58 Estonia has banned celebrations of the Soviet victory over Nazi Germany on May 9th… Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 22:26 utc | 59 @ blues | Apr 24 2022 17:32 utc | 7 Posted by: visitor | Apr 24 2022 22:26 utc | 60 It would be an interesting exercise in accounting to add the cost of the 2014 coup to the post coup ‘aid’ then add military aid since February 24, 2022 by all countries. Even tiny NZ has coughed up millions. Various governments drip feed their impoverished populations so not to shock them. I suspect people would be revolted, given the circumstances. Posted by: Paul | Apr 24 2022 22:28 utc | 61 In response to njet@47, Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 24 2022 22:31 utc | 62 @ librul 16 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 22:38 utc | 63 @ blues 7 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 22:47 utc | 64 This link is for all those folks who come here to refute the fact there were Nazis in Ukraine in 2/24/22. It’s from TRNN (the real news network) back in 2018. Posted by: vetinLA | Apr 24 2022 22:47 utc | 65 librul@16 Re: Igor Kolomoisky “This thug oligarch is crucial to understanding the conflict in Ukraine.”
We’ll know when Russian forces are approaching Dnipro when the din of “It’s another shoah!” begins. I honestly can’t fathom how Ukrainian Jews in Dnipro can be so blind to the dangers of supporting Kolomoyskyy’s fascist, ultra-nationalist Nazi militias and the Ukraine SBU Gestapo. Don’t they realize they’re next? Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 24 2022 22:48 utc | 66 njet #47
Thank you for that clarifying post. I suggest it is really about: a capitalist nation that was incapable of setting boundaries around its exploitative obsession, its ideological hatreds and its misinterpretation of “we, the people” to “we, the elite”. Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 24 2022 22:49 utc | 67 Some words by the great Stefan Zweig for those always relying in human goodness..or luck… Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 22:51 utc | 68 @ blues 7 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 22:52 utc | 69
You can’t say Zweig wasn’t consistent. He committed suicide in 1942 in Brazilian exile. Posted by: malenkov | Apr 24 2022 23:07 utc | 70 no matter how cynical I get, it’s never cynical enough. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 23:10 utc | 71 On the duty of those who have the gift of the word… Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 23:15 utc | 72 Here’s a link to an OSCE report published in 2016: Posted by: One Too Many | Apr 24 2022 23:15 utc | 73 Strategic Culture is back. There is a long piece by Declan Hayes which concludes Posted by: bevin | Apr 24 2022 23:15 utc | 74 3) Wallstreet, Blackwater, Big Oil etc ,know very well: the foundation of their power and wealth is the US’ capability “to act wherever, however and whenever we want”. There is no big business without the US international monopoly of force. [.] Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 24 2022 23:20 utc | 75 Posted by: JB | Apr 24 2022 19:48 utc | 32 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 23:28 utc | 76 I would visit MapsUkraine tweets occasionally for some visuals of Ukraine. No more. . . Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 23:28 utc | 77 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 23:10 utc | 70 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 24 2022 23:29 utc | 78 @Posted by: malenkov | Apr 24 2022 23:07 utc | 69 Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 23:29 utc | 79 Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 23:28 utc | 74
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 23:36 utc | 80 Robert Zubrin, an American aerospace engineer, wants to establish a ‘new branch of human civilization’ on Mars. Mars Society co-founder says robotic landers and rovers aren’t enough. Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 23:39 utc | 81 The Portugese Communists refused to attend Zelensky’s speech to parliament. Posted by: Sundial | Apr 24 2022 23:48 utc | 82 Posted by: njet | Apr 24 2022 21:27 utc | 47 “I don’t buy this “Davos” story. I still don’t know what it is really about.” Posted by: Mongo | Apr 24 2022 23:51 utc | 83 And more recent: Posted by: Mongo | Apr 24 2022 23:54 utc | 84 A lot of the “pro-Russia” pages and advocates are, unfortunately, anything but. Russians themselves are tired of hearing about how they’re the savior of western people against the evil trans-Atlantic new world order. Here’s why. Posted by: Ian Kummer | Apr 24 2022 23:55 utc | 85 @Posted by: malenkov | Apr 24 2022 23:07 utc | 69 Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 23:59 utc | 86 @ PeterAU1 77 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 23:59 utc | 87 April 22, 2022 Recap – The Reality In Ukraine a Sitrep of the progress Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 25 2022 0:01 utc | 88 Well Macron has won the Presidential election. His speech was idiotic. Still touting WEF shite such as gender equality becoming a great Green Nation blah de blah de blah. Civil unrest has already started in France. Macron acknowledged he had to address voter ‘rage’. Yep the way he has done that in the past has been to set the militarised Police on protestors, banning all tv coverage of protests and orders for pilice to shoot to kill if they have to. France will be in full Revolution mode on the next few months I think. Where the French citizens lead europe will follow. Brong on the Revolution French Citizens!! We are right behind you. Other European countries will follow. Posted by: Jo Dominich | Apr 25 2022 0:17 utc | 89 => james | Apr 24 2022 19:03 utc | 22 Posted by: blues | Apr 25 2022 0:17 utc | 90 @ Ian Kummer | Apr 24 2022 23:55 utc | 82 Posted by: MarkU | Apr 25 2022 0:20 utc | 91 >>What do you need a diplomat for when you have comediants and “journalists”? Posted by: Corsair66 | Apr 25 2022 0:42 utc | 92 blues | Apr 25 2022 0:17 utc | 87 Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 25 2022 1:12 utc | 93 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 23:28 utc | 74
Posted by: Dadda | Apr 25 2022 1:14 utc | 94 More and more people from Mariupol are coming out and condemning Zelensky and the Banderite “Azov” death squad for holding them hostage and using them as human shields. Please watch and share the linked video below, it will help let the world know what is really happening in the Donbass. Posted by: Nate | Apr 25 2022 1:16 utc | 95 @77 Posted by: line islands | Apr 25 2022 1:16 utc | 96 Martyanov presents archetypal DoD lunatic Douglas Feith — the one who cooked up the “weapons of mass destruction” lie about Iraq — as a template of the personality-type charged with making decisions such as this one: whether to go ahead with a nuclear false-flag. It was US General Tommy Franks who offered the opinion that Feith is “the fucking stupidest person on the face of the earth”. Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 25 2022 1:27 utc | 97 https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/04/24/sunday-talks-ukrainian-prime-minister-denys-shmyhal-interview-with-cbs-margaret-brennan-american-taxpayers-need-to-fund-our-pensions-and-salaries/ Posted by: Thomas | Apr 25 2022 1:46 utc | 98 Two oil refinery fires in Bryansk. Very interesting timing with Lloyd Austin and Blinken arriving in Kiev. There have been other fires in Russia over past week. These things happen but given clear Russian advantage on battlefield it would make sense for Ukraine and/or NATO to attempt asymmetric attacks on Russian infrastructure. I would think this would risk burning their agents in the country but what do I know. Posted by: WJ | Apr 25 2022 1:53 utc | 99 Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 23:59 utc | 84 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 25 2022 1:57 utc | 100 |
||