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April 24, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-54

Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict ...

Posted by b on April 24, 2022 at 15:34 UTC | Permalink

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"Synthetic Left Joins Corporate Right in Getting Ukraine War Wrong"

thank you b for this. Black Alliance for Peace and B.A.R. seem to be at the forefront for the actual Left in this country. I have to say that here in what people call the Hood there is no support among Black and Brown people for the uniparty's mindless hegemonic actions. I suspect the majority of white folks across the political spectrum also are far more concerned with prices at the gas pump and grocery store than solidarity with the morass the US has created.

Posted by: Oso | Apr 24 2022 15:57 utc | 1

and Howie Hawkins referring to a "Ukranian Resistance" is like referring to the Klan supporters opposing the administrations civil rights act in Selma,Al as southern resistance.

Posted by: Oso | Apr 24 2022 16:05 utc | 2

Must-watch interview of Sergey Lavrov by Indian journalist Geeta Mohan (published April 19):

Posted by: farm ecologist | Apr 24 2022 16:10 utc | 3


Not sure exactly when it started, maybe right after the Franco-Prussian war in the Paris commune with the lumpenproletariat, but the corporate right and the left have always been allies. They were allies when the Warbergs and Jacob Schiff gave Trotsky money to fund the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, they were allies when the Soviet Union and global imperialist states of the UK, US, and France fought the Germans in the second world war, and they have been working hand in hand since the late 1960's to undermine families and communities on the left and turn the anxieties and financial stresses into consumerism and financial feudalism on the right. The left invents "human rights" and the right starts wars on the behalf of protecting human rights. Truth is nobody cares about human rights, everybody violates those rights when it is inconvenient.

Posted by: Cthulhu | Apr 24 2022 16:37 utc | 4

(reposting from the wrong thread)

There is no turning back now for towns that have decided to welcome Russian forces after being taken, particularly those towns that are holding referenda or reconstituting their leadership with Russian assistance.

All those towns, should they ever revert to Ukrainian state rule will be the sites of more Buchas.

I certainly hope the Russian forces understand this and that Putin is committed never to retreat from those towns where the local population have decided to throw in their lot with the Russian Federation ...

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 24 2022 16:52 utc | 5

Yes, those were the days when the international financiers gave Trotsky, at the time an independent socialist living in exile without any party affiliations in Russia, the money it cost to finance the Bolshevik party. And boy, did they need the bread? There were about 2000 of them, the leader of their Parliamentary Duma faction was a secret policeman and the Central Committee was calling for democracy and capitalism.
Too bad you can supply no details on how Trotsky managed it. But full marks to Warberg and Schiff for calling the winner. I expect they had some side bets with Morgan and Rothschild at very long odds. And came out big winners- despite the destruction of the capital market in Russia, the loss of billions in bonds and the transformation of financial instruments into toilet paper.

But that was nothing compared with WWII when France (surrendered and fascist ruled in May 1940) the UK, which almost went to war as a Finnish ally in 1939, which spent the 1930s rebuffing Soviet calls for collective security and drove Moscow into the Ribbentrop Molotov pact of 1939 and the United States which poured capital into Germany, essentially financing the Nazis, and waited on the sidelines until the UK was almost defeated and Moscow was under siege, were always actually and despite appearances (perfidious Albion) in this really tight alliance with the USSR.
Which has continued after the war-again despite appearances such as the Cold War and decades of Russophobic anti-communist brainwashing- through the sixties etc etc.

But full marks for resisting the temptation to mention the Protocols of the Elders of the Okhrana. And the sealed train too.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 24 2022 17:04 utc | 6

Dear friends and fellow comentators: You are being deceived. Please stop over-analyzing the little war in Ukraine and commence fighting the really big, real war that it has been exploited to ignite. Thank you.

I have become convinced that the agencies of the Western ruling eleets have been cultivating the Ukrainian NAZIs since long before the 'Maidan Revolution' took place in Ukraine in February 2014 to exterminate the de facto Russians largely in the Eastern side of that territory. The NAZI's massive attack upon the de facto Russians, in conjunction with the attempt to enrole Ukraine in NATO, forced Russia to intervene militarily. All of this was done primarily to construct a war theater in which the Russians could be accused of perpetrating atrocities and war crimes in order to poison the minds of the U.S and E.U. citizens so as to direct hatred toward Russia and President Putin.

This is necessary because the USian and EUian population must be distracted from the fortcoming Great Depression-II that is about to engulf the West. It will probably not occure in the East, so this distraction and hatred is absolutely necessary. The real war is not in the Ukraine: The real war is occurring within the minds of the subjects of the Western totalitarian dictatorship. You my friends are the real soldiers.

Posted by: blues | Apr 24 2022 17:32 utc | 7

[missed the NOT Ukraine instruction - repost]

Here is an article that beat censorship and flew through the cracks of the Mockingbird Wall in 2014.
Wouldn't happen today.

It is from Newsweek of all places.
Newsweek is a synonym for Mockingbird Press.
The current (since a 2018 scandal/shakeup) editor-in-chief is Nancy Cooper.
Even a moderate bio about her is curiously missing. Why?

Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing 'ISIS-Style' War Crimes
By Damien Sharkov On 9/10/14 at 12:36 PM EDT

[the author Damien Sharkov seems to be struggling for work these days]

An important milestone in history was recorded in the article.

A warrant for Kolomoyskyi's arrest was issued in Russia in July for "organising the killing of civilians," through his sponsorship of volunteer militants.

Kolomoisky is the oligarch that funded the 2019 run for President by Zelensky.

Part of the reason for this Ukrainian war is the hatred Kolomoisky now holds for Putin because of the warrant.
This is confirmed in this 2014 Haaretz article:

Archive found here:

Posted by: librul | Apr 24 2022 17:50 utc | 8

Supposedly the Ukies hit a Russian command post in Kherson Friday night killing 2 senior generals and leaving another critically wounded. Anybody else have any info? This was posted by Col. Lang.

Posted by: morongobill | Apr 24 2022 18:01 utc | 9

the west standing up for what was forbidden and fought against in WW2. A rewrite of history steeped in cancel culture.

Caitlin Johnstone asks

How Much Are We Prepared To Sacrifice To Help The US Win A Propaganda War Against Putin?

On Energy an supply disruptions -
The Coming global Diesel Fuel Disaster when every activity halts.

Amid the ongoing global inflation crisis, NATO heads of state and mainstream media repeat a mantra that high energy prices are a direct result of Putin’s actions in Ukraine since end of February. The reality is that it is the western sanctions that are responsible. Those sanctions including cutting SWIFT interbank access for key Russian banks and some of the most severe sanctions ever imposed, are hardly having an impact on the military actions in Ukraine.

What many overlook is the fact that they are increasingly impacting the economies of the West, especially the EU and USA. A closer look at the state of the global supply of diesel fuel is alarming. But Western sanctions planners at the US Treasury and the EU know fully well what they are doing. And it bodes ill for the world economy.

While most of us rarely think about diesel fuel as anything other than a pollutant, in fact it is essential to the entire world economy in a way few energy sources are. The director general of Fuels Europe, part of the European Petroleum Refiners Association, stated recently, “… there is a clear link between diesel and GDP, because almost everything that goes into and out of a factory goes using diesel.”[.]

Diesel Moves World Trade

[.]A global shortage in diesel fuel, temporary or longer-term, is therefore a catastrophic event. Goods cannot be moved from container ports to inland destinations. Without diesel fuel trucks cannot deliver food to the supermarket, or anything else for that matter. The entire supply chain is frozen. And there is no possibility to substitute gasoline in a diesel engine without ruining the engine.[..]

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 24 2022 18:08 utc | 10

The article from Covert Action Magazine above in is an excellent sociopolitical analysis of the Ukrainian situation. The second half in particular is illuminating, worth the read! Thanks B!

Posted by: Peter Fenton | Apr 24 2022 18:08 utc | 11

Time to review films like "Three Days of the Condor" or "Seven Days in May"

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 24 2022 18:11 utc | 12

The ugly face of the West out in the open for all to see.

"The operation of the Russian Embassy in Washington has been effectively blocked by the US, Ambassador Anatoly Antonov has said.

“The embassy is essentially under a blockade by the US authorities. Bank of America has shut down the accounts of our general consulates in Houston and New York,” Antonov told TV channel Rossiya-1 on Sunday.

The diplomat added that the personnel have been receiving threats by phone and mail. “For some time, even the exit from the embassy was being blocked [due] to rather large protests. There were acts of vandalism, paint was thrown [on the building].”

Attacks on Russian missions abroad increased after Moscow launched its military campaign against Ukraine in late February. Vehicles were rammed into the gates of Russian embassies in Dublin, Ireland and Bucharest, Romania. Activists defaced mission buildings with paint in countries such as Austria and Latvia."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 24 2022 18:11 utc | 13

@Posted by: bevin | Apr 24 2022 17:04 utc | 6

The Warburgs were a German Jewish banking family and it was in their German interests to undermine Russia in WW1 (this is WW1 no Nazi anti-Jewish craziness in Germany, many Jews fought in the German army), the same way the German government shipped many of the Bolsheviks secretly into Russia. Straight after WW1 the European powers and the US tried to destroy the Bolsheviks and carried out a Cold War against the USSR until 1933. Many US industrialists did help the USSR in the mid and later 1930s, but that was because they were desperate for any business in the middle of the Great Depression.

In the inter-war years Germany was being built up to destroy the Soviets, but the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact kyboshed that and Germany turned West. Germany had been allowed to take over Austria and Czechoslovakia (the latter had a very large and excellent military industrial complex), and the promises of support from Britain and France only made Poland stupidly obstinate in the face of German diplomatic attempts to solve the Polish corridor issue - forcing Germany to invade. As long as the Germans kept going East the West was happy, they desperately wanted to destroy communism. The UK saw both Germany and the Soviet Union as the threat (hence the attempt to attack the Soviet Union through Finland) until Germany turned West in May 1940. Then, suddenly the Soviets were allies, especially after Stalingrad. This was a natural continuation of the UK "offshore balancing" strategy which was to keep the European Continetal powers at each others throats, changing sides to make sure no individual power got too strong. Once Germany had been exhausted destroying communism probably their plan was then to invade Germany.

The position of many in the US in 1941 was to let the Germans and Soviets fight it out until each one was exhausted, and then take on the winner - as stated by the future President, Truman. The US baited Japan into a war through cutting off its oil supplies, leaving Japan the only options of abject surrender or attack. Once Pearl Harbour had taken place it was Germany that declared war on the US, not the other way round. US aid to the Soviets did not start really rolling until the Soviet defeat of the Germans at Stalingrad in early 1943.

Churchill kept delaying the direct invasion of France because he wanted the Soviet army to be exhausted fighting the Germans, then straight after WW2 he proposed a military attack upon the Soviets. The US also considered a nuclear attack upon the USSR. Thankfully, some more humane heads stopped what would have been a genocide to create the very lebensraum that Hitler planned. It would have been incredibly difficult to sell the US population that the country that had been propagandized as their friends through the war should now be wiped out. The USSR getting the nuclear bomb put paid to that option and it took years of a Red Scare etc. to get the US population to hate "the commies".

The European / US elites expanded to rule the world from the sixteenth century onwards, and industrialized using the spoils. from their colonies/vassals and the vast lands that they had stolen, and would countenance no challengers. Until now they have been successful in destroying those challengers - such as revolutionary France, Germany (twice) and the Soviet Union. It really is that simple, but now they are faced with Russia+China+Iran with the rest of the world either on the RCI side or not taking sides while the contest is not completely decided.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 24 2022 18:13 utc | 14

Azov battalion soldier calling for the cutting-off of the heads of the children in the Donbas, this comes on top of a Ukrainian doctor calling for the castration of Russian troops, and then there's this, Ukrainian TV host Fahrudin Sharafman quoted Adolf Eichmann, one of the organizers of the Holocaust, and called on air for the killing of Russian civilians, including children.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 24 2022 18:14 utc | 15

I strongly urge you to read the Haaretz article linked @Posted by: librul | Apr 24 2022 17:50 utc | 8

Because of the way the article self-censors you have to read between the lines to realize the "militias" discussed include Azov. Read it.
And not just this:

The oligarch’s opponents have accused him of using violence, intimidation and coercion, similar methods to those he has been accused previously of using in some of his business dealings, especially in the takeovers of companies. These included accusations of sending his own club-wielding security people to occupy factories and mines in Ukraine after company owners tried to block his maneuvers. During a legal dispute in 2006, over control of a mining company (which Kolomoisky and his partners won), a judge in London observed that he had “a reputation of having sought to take control of a company at gunpoint in Ukraine.”

The foundations of Kolomoisky’s business empire were laid in the wild days following the disintegration of the Former Soviet Union, when the soon-to-be oligarchs scrambled to snap up dilapidated state factories and entire industrial, mining and energy sectors at bargain-basement prices. His operations as governor are not just an act of patriotism to preserve Ukrainian independence, says a local economist, speaking anonymously. “It is also about preserving his and his partners’ business interests. If the separatists had taken the region, he would have lost most of his holdings.” In the wake of the revolution and the crisis between Russia and Ukraine, the country is receiving billions in aid from Western powers, with Privat Group expected to be at the center of any financial action.

There is gas/oil in the Donbas.

Kolomoisky funded Zelensky's presidential race. He funds militias including Azov.

Privat Empire: What Does Oligarch Ihor Kolomoisky Own in Ukraine?

Read more than this:

Kolomoisky and Privat Group also suffered significant losses from the annexation of Crimea. Russia "nationalized" 87 entities and the hotel and construction business, as well as a network of gas stations and a petroleum depot suffered. According to the decision of the Hague court, Russia must pay $159 million in compensation to the companies of Privat Group. Although Kolomoisky estimates his losses in Crimea to be at two billion dollars.

However, Kolomoisky has managed to retain a considerable tourist asset - the ski resort Bukovel.

This thug oligarch is crucial to understanding the conflict in Ukraine.

Posted by: librul | Apr 24 2022 18:32 utc | 16

The Guardian is reporting that forensic autopsies from Bucha reveal that most bodies from the "mass graves" suffered from flechettes released from artillery explosions. While maintaining these flechettes are consistent with Russian shells, the story does not follow the obvious logic that the shelling of the town came from Ukraine positions during fighting related to Russia military occupation of the area (unless the Russians shelled themselves) - which is consistent with the timing of satellite imagery and the digging of temporary graves beside a church. So Bucha will join Kramatorsk as false attribution propaganda stunts which will disappear from MSM consciousness rather than be corrected.

Posted by: jayc | Apr 24 2022 18:38 utc | 17

My name is Aleph, and I used to read CounterPunch.

I can admit it out loud, not without embarrassment: Before 2/22 I was one of those poor schmucks who thought it a credible venue of liberated thought. I'm just eternally gullible like that. Like my genetic fate: Every time I open a box of CrackerJacks, I have to check out the "surprise inside" -- even though it's been total garbage for decades...

Rambling to apologize for roaming back to an old standby, where the headline "Is Putin Hitler?" caught my eye. I read this piece of crap so that you don't have to. To nobody's surprise, Jeffrey's bullshitters discover the affirmative they ardently seek:

Like Hitler, he [Putin] believes he is justified in wiping Ukraine from the map, to prove that Russians (in Hitler’s case it was the Germans) are a master race.

Sorry to reprint such foul dreck. Just so you know: the mere fumes around CounterPunch are obnoxious with artificial chemicals, smelling suspiciously like eau de state department.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 18:40 utc | 18

@librul Apr 24 2022 18:32 utc | 16

Look into his holdings in USA. Opitima group. Lawsuit "on ice" Delaware Court of all places.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 24 2022 18:44 utc | 19

Great news! Strategic Culture (SCF) is back!
I think this qualifies as 'Ukraine-related' since if there was no war the site wouldn't be under constant attack by you-know-who.

Posted by: pasha | Apr 24 2022 18:46 utc | 20

According to sources, after WW II, Allen Dulles of the CIA kept the Banderite movement alive in the Ukraine as a weapon against the Soviets--they killed thousands of Soviets: Ukrainians and Russians. Many of these Nazis went to the US and Canada. The ideological descendants of this movement became the CIA's main weapon in the 2014 Maidan coup. There are many Nazi groups, but chief among them are Right Sector, Svoboda, and the Azov Battalion. They have infiltrated all levels of Ukrainian government, military, and society. Forgive me for not having sources immediately available.

Posted by: Ted Tripp | Apr 24 2022 18:47 utc | 21

@ blues | Apr 24 2022 17:32 utc | 7

hey blues! i don't disagree with your general view their.... small fish and big fish to fry and we are definitely next!! ps - eleet is elite... not that i am the grammar police - fair from it - cheers...

@ ibrul | Apr 24 2022 17:50 utc | 8

that theory has been suggested for some time.. there is probably some truth to it.. kolomoisky is seriously fucked up! does he have enough power to create ww3? i suppose he can try to profit off it all either way in his ongoing support for azov and the nazis... and yes - just because he is jewish, doesn't mean fuck all when it comes to supporting nazis if their is some money to be made.. when your religion is money - there are a lot less restrictions then with the old time religions!

@ morongobill | Apr 24 2022 18:01 utc | 9..

pat carrying water for the ukee military intel agency.. i would take everything they say with a huge grain of salt!

Posted by: james | Apr 24 2022 19:03 utc | 22

what is interesting to me is how some from the pat lang site have broken rank with pat... apparently being opposed to communism and the red threat back in the 50's is good enough for pat 70 years on.. meanwhile, larry johnson has a different view of it all... i wonder what kinds of interesting conversations larry and pat have with one another? i think larry has written ttg off completely, as having gone bonkers...


Posted by: james | Apr 24 2022 19:09 utc | 23

The Warburgs were a German Jewish banking family
Posted by: Roger | Apr 24 2022 18:13 utc | 14

Well, that statement lays a circuitous route to FDR's "brain trust".

Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 24 2022 19:14 utc | 24

@Aleph i too used to read Counterpounch daily until about 1 to 1& 1/2 years ago. I'm not sure why, i just slowly stopped reading. I think it may have to do with the old man passing and his son taking over. It's been about a year since I've been on the site. So, after your comment i went back and read Fridays post,
"How to End the War in Ukraine" by Alfred W. MCCoy. It reads like something from Foreign Affairs or another such establishment propaganda press. Sad, i used to think highly of CP. Now i think it's drivel

Posted by: Mark | Apr 24 2022 19:19 utc | 25

With all due respect to Colonel Lang, I think his site has lost all credibility. Something snapped in the man, and he has lost the ability to be dispassionate and rational.

The crazed Zelensky cannot be given any credibility and absent independent confirmation, any tales of great success like the dubious one about Kherson and two more dead generals should be considered fake.

Posted by: Chris | Apr 24 2022 19:20 utc | 26 has photos o "billions" of dollars worth of artillery cartridges, many that I can't pronounce. various missiles, even Russian. it was from the Odessa this morning, at the airport. several buildings. RF seized it. one photo shows an underground. I have nit the total assemblage in any Russia website./

Posted by: Joe | Apr 24 2022 19:27 utc | 27

librul | Apr 24 2022 18:32 utc | 16

There is no government in Ukraine, none at all, just a troupe of vapid media clowns, hustling and whoring for oligarch silver, the whole diseased assemblage simply radiating the fascist imprint of oligarchy and foreign intelligence services.

It is a frightening vision of a future that seems awaits the whole American-dominated sector.

Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 24 2022 19:29 utc | 28

No need for russian energy?
"dermatologist Yael Adler appeared in the German Bild , enthusiastically telling that if the body is not washed, then the skin after a while begins to cleanse itself. And soap is generally harmful, because it removes beneficial bacteria from the surface. “Fresh sweat does not smell, and after three weeks the old sweat also stops smelling,” the doctor sums up, summing up the scientific basis for Khabek’s statements about the need to take showers less often in the name of saving energy, and most importantly, “to spite Putin.”"

Posted by: petergrfstrm | Apr 24 2022 19:41 utc | 29

#---Posted by: Cthulhu | Apr 24 2022 16:37 utc | 4

The great G.K.Chesterton coined this un-holy alliance Hudge and Gudge in his "What's Wrong With the World" (1910).

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 24 2022 19:42 utc | 30

@Cthulhu | Apr 24 2022 16:37 utc | 4
Once more antisemitic and anticommunist crap and forgeries. There is no indication that Schiff ever directly funded Trotsky, though the latter may have got some support as Jewish emigree in NYC by funds sponsored by rich Jews. Schiff sponsored Kerensky, not the bolsheviks, and opposed the October Revolution from its beginnings. Max Warburg also denied any sponsoring of bolsheviks, and it is unlikely given his funding to anticommunist groups.

This nazi crap is tiring.

Posted by: aquadraht | Apr 24 2022 19:43 utc | 31

In the previous thread
Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 15:31 utc | 77

"The foremost question for me (and also Andrei(Marynov) at the moment is: What are the odds of this mess going nuclear, possibly sooner than later?... What can we expect from the "fucking stupidest" people on the face of the earth, as they panic in the throes of blatant failure? We can expect unpredictable consequences. Martynov scares the living crap out of me, at the moment.
- I am kind of surprised that the current most urgent threat - the use of nuclear weapons - (or other WM) has not generated any interest here.
- Martynov doesn't"scare the crap out of me", reality does. It has been clear (at least to me) that the use of tactical nuclear weapons was in fact seriously being considered by the US and European sarvants from the moment they started circulating that publicly as an expected alleged Russian move.
- I am absolutely certain, based on the history/ pattern of behaviour of the US, UK and European and Asian servants, that they are contemplating either a false flag or a nuclear "incident' in Russia itself. Why?
- Because the ruling class in the West stops at nothing, as it has been terrorising the world, and its own citizens(think, for example, false pandemic and the imposed injections and tyranny), for a very long time with total impunity. What is it that should stop them now? Some of them may be stupid, but all of them are delusional.That's the problem.
- Do not forget that the EU officially announced in the name of the West that "Russia must not win in Ukraine".
- The world is facing a very real, perhaps imminent, danger of use of nuclear weapons (or other WMD, orboth) by those who have alredy used them, not by Russia.
- In my view, there is NOTHING more important than preventing that from happening.
I have no faith, or expectation any more that the European, US, UK or Western citizenry is capable of understanding their own states and the world as it is, or generating any kind of change for the better. Propaganda is not the only reason. Western societies are in that sense - dead. Have been for decades.
- If there are sensible, good people on this planet who are in a poistion to prevent what seems to be coming, I can only hope that they do. If not now, when?

Posted by: JB | Apr 24 2022 19:48 utc | 32

Poets, priests and politicians
Have words to thank for their positions
Words that scream for your submission
And no one's jamming their transmission
'Cause when their eloquence escapes you
Their logic ties you up and rapes you

I will leave you to guess who wrote that, but thought it appropriate in these times,

Posted by: Oh | Apr 24 2022 20:04 utc | 33

Thank you for your message. Was there anything in it that you supposed was novel? I see that you msade up for the other guy's failure to mention the Sealed Train.
Do you not realise how insubstantial the evidence that you proffer for Warburg's possible support of the Bolsheviks is?
And your excuse for the German invasion of Poland is drearily revisionist- the key here was not western support, which not only never arrived but was never likely to either, but Polish fascism's hatred of the USSR and communism.
Your excuse for US investment in Germany after 1933, is equally lame. By 1942, when Prescott Bush was charged with Trading with the Enemy, the US economy was not short of profitable investments. In fact the Nazis were attractive to investors in part because they promised cheap/slave labour.
I'm with aquadraht- this nazi crap is tiring.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 24 2022 20:09 utc | 34

The story is that the Russia military brutally kills many civilians, whereas the US does not. . .And the US has the proof.

DoD assesses that there are credible reports of approximately 120 civilians killed and approximately 65 civilians injured during 2018 as a result of U.S. military operations in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, and Somalia. . .here

Taking one US military service, the Air Force dropped 7,362 bombs in 2018. . .here
Plus we should add the Army artillery, Navy bombing, and Marine Corps artillery (used to help destroy Raqqa, for one thing).

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 20:15 utc | 35

OUT OUT within 24hrs...Afghan Refugees Kicked Out For Ukrainians 1,772 views Apr 24, 2022

Posted by: JC | Apr 24 2022 20:27 utc | 36

Likklemore | Apr 24 2022 18:08 utc | 10

The presence of an Eric Draitser as a writer/blogger sealed it for me...Althought the musings of Jeffery St. Clair were a tip-off...After I sent a comment that Draitser sounded like an Azov to me, I received a reply that either I was an idiot or had not listened to Draitser's comments, or both. My reply consisted of , " Thanks for your confirmation."

I then sent them a note to cancel my subscription.

Posted by: donten | Apr 24 2022 20:28 utc | 37

Likklemore, please excuse me! the post was meant for Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 18:40 utc | 18

Posted by: donten | Apr 24 2022 20:32 utc | 38

Posted by: Oh | Apr 24 2022 20:04 utc | 33

Seems to be a man that once hoped Russians love their children too. And a man that now makes a fool of himself about Ukraine.

Posted by: HerrHesser | Apr 24 2022 20:37 utc | 39

morongobill | Apr 24 2022 18:01 utc | 9

Perhaps because it is the targeting coordinates sent to them by the U.S. More than likely.

Posted by: donten | Apr 24 2022 20:42 utc | 40

Why ain't you kickin' it with Compton Jay and everyone over at:

at comment 9ne

Posted by: Bo Robinson | Apr 24 2022 20:48 utc | 41

Posted by: HerrHesser | Apr 24 2022 20:37 utc | 39

sorry to hear that, another one bites the dust (as far as I know John Deacon hasn't gone over to the dark side)

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 24 2022 21:02 utc | 42

i guess Pat Lang was controlled opposition, too.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 24 2022 21:02 utc | 43

@26 chris

Agree. To see someone flounder and get it so wrong in their twilight years (year?), is the saddest part.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 24 2022 21:04 utc | 44

Apologies to our host for posting this in the wrong thread:

Putin was correct to describe the dissolution of the Soviet Union as the greatest disaster of the 20th century, even as he got some of the details wrong in his historical account of the Ukraine as detailed in the essay "Synthetic Left Joins Corporate Right in Getting Ukraine War Wrong" linked by our host above. It should be noted that the author of that essay got some details wrong as well, though.

Rosa Luxemburg’s and Putin’s critiques of Lenin may be a century apart but they converge in one crucial respect. They both assert that the Russian revolutionary declaration that all nations have the right to self-determination was excessive. By endorsing self-determination, the Bolsheviks ensured the outcome seen now in the numerous ethno-territorial conflicts in post-Soviet states.

Well! That's easy to argue now, but there was never any intention of those states becoming "post-Soviet" when they were formed. As the author noted, "When Ukraine was incorporated into the USSR, the nationality question was kept under control by the fact that Soviet citizenship was not restricted by ethnic identity and all Ukrainians were citizens of the Soviet Union." This supranational identity superseded the national identities across the Soviet Union and rendered the nationalist tendencies irrelevant. That arrangement would have continued for as long as the Soviet Union existed as a socialist entity. Had not the arrogant bureaucrats greedily sold out the USSR for the opportunity to become the Slavic equivalents of J.R. Ewing and Blake Carrington then the Ukraine would today be an advanced and moderately wealthy country with an abundance of good high tech jobs and a comfortable standard of living.

Most importantly, had the Soviet Union not been deliberately wrecked for the chance to experience the dream of living in an American soap opera there would be no Nazis in the Ukraine today.

Blaming Lenin, or even Khrushchev, for the metastasizing of fascist cancer in the Ukraine is misguided. That mass mental disorder would never have been possible within the Soviet Union. The cause for the Ukraine's current tragic condition was the profoundly misguided dismantling of the Soviet Union and the embrace of liberal delusion that motivated that dismantling.

Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 24 2022 21:07 utc | 45

i guess Pat Lang was controlled opposition, too.

I don’t think that is necessarily the case (being controlled opposition.)

I remember him being able to write about Syria in a critical and unbiased manner. I can only guess that some inner conflict is preventing him from assessing the current situation with reason.

Perhaps it is too much to acknowledge the evils that our own government has committed in Ukraine. Easier to retreat to the comfort of your own fantasies on how the west are the good guys and anything Russian is bad.

Posted by: Chris | Apr 24 2022 21:16 utc | 46

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 24 2022 12:52 utc | 48
Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 24 2022 18:08 utc | 10

"The real industrial interconnected global economy is not like a game of lego toys. It is highly complex and finely tuned. That fine tuning is being systematically destroyed, and all evidence is that it is deliberate. Welcome to the Davos Great Reset eugenics agenda." (F. William Engdahl)

I am not convinced of this Davos / eugenic / the "Supranationals are Taking Over and Destroy all Nations" narrative.

This is why:
1) the EU is the first supranational institution that is going down the drain
2) the IMF, WTO, Swift etc institutions will follow soon, because they are controlled by an arrogant US government
3) Wallstreet, Blackwater, Big Oil etc know very well: the foundation of their power and wealth is the US' capability "to act whereever, however and whenever we want". There is no big business without the US international monopoly of force. Why should they destroy it? Why destroy its homelands economic structures? Why destroy the dollar?

Either we talk about the "most stupid people on the planets face" sitting in DC, or we talk about an evil plan of "zionists" in "Davos" or in the catacombs of the "deep state". There is a contradiction between both.

For soon 100 years the USA has experienced that their will is identical to their success, only challenged a little bit by Hitler or Stalin. Since 1991 they are going crazy. Today Washington is not able to study their competitors China and Russia, they are not able to do diplomacy, they are not capable to recognize their own deficits of manufacturing and military force, they are destroying their universities and technicals scills by corruption. In one word: they are not able to defend their hegemony – because they are the hegemon since too long.

As Scott Ritter would say: it's over.

And everything we observe within the last years concerning the Empire of Lies fits into this picture. With all respect to Engdahl or Escobar and some barflies here, I don't buy this "Davos" story. I still don't know what it is really about.

Posted by: njet | Apr 24 2022 21:27 utc | 47

Must-watch interview of Sergey Lavrov by Indian journalist Geeta Mohan.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Apr 24 2022 16:10 utc | 3

Transcript at the Saker.

You can tell Mohan's not an American "telejournalist" since she lets Lavrov talk and doesn't try to inject
her "personality" and opinions every second point or so.

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 24 2022 21:34 utc | 48

Posted by: Chris | Apr 24 2022 21:16 utc | 46

Its all bad conscience, same as McCain not getting over his stay in VietNam, but in his case is Central America and Cuba.

Posted by: Paco | Apr 24 2022 21:34 utc | 49

Posted by: Chris | Apr 24 2022 21:16 utc | 46

I dunno, I've never seen a propaganda campaign like this. they're pulling out all the stops. I see Lang as kind of a counterpart to Marcy Wheeler, who was also good on Syria, iirc, then went full rabid Russiagater. no matter how cynical I get, it's never cynical enough.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 24 2022 21:34 utc | 50

I, for some reason assumed, that Azovstahl would be cordoned off along the perimeter of the industrial area, in light of Putin's decision to veto the storming operation. Sources on the ground, however, demonstrate that the operation is still ongoing.

I guess the only area of Azovstahl that has been deemed off-limits is the underground, which Russia already at that point in time had access to but decided not to venture into. Now it's a matter of cleaning the above-ground sector, plugging up all the auxiliary exits and entrances and sit outside and wait to see what kind of horrors might emerge from below. Creating fortified positions around the exits won't be a drain on human resources and will decisively defang the remaining Ukrainian fighters.

On that note, I heard on a live-stream today that, presumably, Ukraine tried pulling another Kramatorsk in Mariupol, as a coordinated operation between the Zelensky government and the forces barricaded in Azovstahl. Irina Vereshchuk announced the creation of a green corridor out of Mariupol in the direction of Kiev and time and place of departure in Mariupol, none of which had been agreed or even discussed with the Russian side. Subsequently, civilians were prevented from gathering at the designated place of departure which was instead cordoned off. At or around the designated time, this proposed area of departure was shelled with man-portable mortars from the territory of Azovstahl.

Supposing that this is all accurate information of the event, then clearly encircling the industrial area from the outside would be insufficient to prevent these and other types of provocations.

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 24 2022 21:42 utc | 51

#34 bevin

The depression was the reason for the US industries to build up the US not the USSR - they were not investing but being paid for everything by the Soviets.

The US invested in Germany because they supported the Nazis.

Poland was rabidly anti Russian, not just anti communist. But the French and English support made them more resistant to the German diplomatic moves.

We are in general agreement.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 24 2022 21:53 utc | 52


I meant "the USSR not the Germans", sorry typing on a phone.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 24 2022 21:55 utc | 53

Such are the threats that Anatoli Sharyí receives from Ukrainian fascists in Spain, threatening him and his family, wife and baby, for being a Ukrainian anti-fascist.

A new Gladio or ISIS 2.0 is being primed in our own countries with the full complicity of our governments.

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 22:00 utc | 54

Bilestsky, commander of Azov Battallion, who was whitewashed as hero of Ukrainian resitance by Spanish private TV some days ago, has menaced with launching missiles against any intend of celebrating "Immortal Regiment" in Mariupol next May 9th to celebrate the defeat of fascism and remember the fallen in that fight...

As a proof of what the people in Mariupol had to cope with during the past 8 years and why there is no anti-fascists expression in Ukraine now.

Such a menace should be of great concern for each and every European anti-fascist who lost someone or something in the last war.

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 22:07 utc | 55

One thing that we must all be careful about when discussing the history of any war or any diplomatic or social or commercial action, is to avoid assuming there is ever a single, unifying objective. There are groups with opposing objectives in all societies, so saying the US or UK did this or that actually has limited meaning. Moreover people change with circumstances and what say Roosevelt or Churchill planned in January may have changed by June. Opponents may become allies and former allies enemies. That is the nature of real politics and over simplification is dangerous.

This is particularly true of the troubled history leading to WWII. Yes there is little doubt that there was a strong push within the UK and her colonies, to switch the war to fight Russia not Germany. My father certainly believed this fully and until 1941 when the Japanese entered the war, would have no part of it.

There was of course a very strong pro German faction within the British elite society- obviously with the former King as its figure head. However recall that there was a new King. His brother who wanted to fight Germany. Family squabble of a kind. Read the amusing books by the Mitford sisters - a largely NAZI sympathizing aristocratic family, but one that also generated Jessica a devout communist. The story of two rather odd teenage girls, sharing a bedroom with a dividing line- one papered with NAZI symbols, the other papered with the hammer and sickle, can almost be a symbol of the divide within the British ruling class.

Posted by: watcher | Apr 24 2022 22:09 utc | 56

Mr. Slensky stated, "Since Russian military vehicles , decorated with all Latin letters, have been driving through Ukraine, it is considered a war crime to publicly play "Alphabet Street" from Prince ."

We're going down, down, down, if that's the only way
To make this cruel, cruel world hear what we got to say
Put the right letters together and make a better day

Posted by: theresamarquesa | Apr 24 2022 22:14 utc | 57

Joe@27...that arsenal on the vid was taken in the LDNR, Russia has no ground forces in Odessa...that's not saying they don't blow stuff up in Odessa, just Orcs don't post pics of it.

Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 24 2022 22:14 utc | 58

Estonia has banned celebrations of the Soviet victory over Nazi Germany on May 9th...

Meanwhile, you can shout praising the Azov Battallion in the very center of Manhattan...USA....

After Macron´s reelection, they continue testing to which extend the people will swallow fascist rule, each time more unmasked...

Wondering whether the people will start moving themselves once they start being tied to lamposts with their butts nude by these nazis which are being infiltrated in every Western nation, neighborhood, working place...

They are already here...Hve yo untoiced that there is at least one Ukrainian flag in each neighborhood around you...( tested even in two European neighboring countries..), they are being estrategically placed amongst us.. is for you to guess..

These people, who now displace the hosting places occupied by other refugees, who are given a job as they arrive while millions of our own compatriots lack one, and who will no pay taxes, on which side do you think they will be once the economic hardships are widespread and thus the hardcore dictatorship is unleashed with all its force to keep people controled?

The war was for sure started for this outcome, for to be able to infiltrate nazi thugs into our societies in adequate numbers, with the peoples´s consent ( as they conceeded to their own suicide past year "for the common good"..) since a NATO victory was unthinkable form the start.

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 22:26 utc | 59

@ blues | Apr 24 2022 17:32 utc | 7

Blues' post is one of the most thought-provoking pieces that I have read since a long time. His thesis is that the Ukrainian war was forced upon Russia by the West to acquire full control over the minds of its own citizens. In the midst of the "Hate Russia, hate Putin" mass hysteria, people will be easy to control as they will blame all their woes on Russia. READ Blues' post, it is a MUST READ

Posted by: visitor | Apr 24 2022 22:26 utc | 60

It would be an interesting exercise in accounting to add the cost of the 2014 coup to the post coup 'aid' then add military aid since February 24, 2022 by all countries. Even tiny NZ has coughed up millions. Various governments drip feed their impoverished populations so not to shock them. I suspect people would be revolted, given the circumstances.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 24 2022 22:28 utc | 61

In response to njet@47,

I think that when one observes human behavior and interaction, there is a variable limit to what actions or behaviors can plausibly be explained by stupidity or incompetence, since in many respects these motives are indistinguishable from intentional malice, especially for an outside observer.

For instance, I've seen my fair share of POW interviews from this conflict, even back in 2015, and Ukrainian POW always say the same thing when confronted by relatives of killed civilians or wanton destruction -- I didn't know, I thought we were doing this and that, I only sharpened pencils for the army and never did any shooting and, actually, I've always been on your side. In 2015 Ukrainian POW did surprise-emoji face and said "I thought we were killing terrorists (they were all on an anti-terrorist operation) but you guys aren't terrorists?! What's up with that?" and, at first glance, you might think you're dealing with easily manipulated idiots. Idiots to such a degree that they were hoodwinked for months into killing their own countrymen, sometimes unarmed, apolitical, women and children. So stupid that they occasionally were taken prisoner a second and third time, after being released in prisoner swaps. At some point one has to accept the fact that this is malice, misanthropy -- maybe these people are stupid too, but they at the very least know what they are doing. The act when they get caught is insincere.

The same is true for global affairs, with the caveat that few global actors, if any, get caught and interrogated. The public sees supposedly qualified officials committing obvious mistakes, one after the other, with little or no consequences to their position or prestige, but with massive repercussions for the nation they represent or the world at large. It's difficult to accept that these people are supremely incompetent and simultaneously in charge of anything, too stupid to make an informed decision for themselves and yet deciding for millions of people -- it strains credulity. It's more palatable to envision a malicious secret plan and a puppet-master behind the scenes, and structure one's world view around that, because at least that makes rational sense. Except, there's no guarantee that the malicious plan and puppet master, if these exist, aren't stupid and detached from reality to the same degree.

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 24 2022 22:31 utc | 62

@ librul 16
This thug oligarch [Kolomoisky] is crucial to understanding the conflict in Ukraine.
This is all new to me, so the following may have been covered. (doesn't hurt to repeat it)
>Blinken, March 5, 2021, sanctions
Today, I am announcing the public designation of oligarch and former Ukrainian public official Ihor Kolomoyskyy due to his involvement in significant corruption. . . In addition to Ihor Kolomoyskyy, I am publicly designating the following members of Ihor Kolomoyskyy’s immediate family: his wife, Iryna Kolomoyska, his daughter, Angelika Kolomoyska, and his son, Israel Zvi Kolomoyskyy. This action renders Ihor Kolomoyskyy and each of these members of his immediate family ineligible for entry into the United States. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 22:38 utc | 63

@ blues 7
. .All of this was done primarily to construct a war theater in which the Russians could be accused of perpetrating atrocities and war crimes in order to poison the minds of the U.S and E.U. citizens . .

Randolph Bourne, 1918
War is the health of the State.
It automatically sets in motion throughout society those irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate co-operation with the Government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense. The machinery of government sets and enforces the drastic penalties, the minorities are either intimidated into silence or brought slowly around by a subtle process of persuasion which may seem to them to really converting them. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 22:47 utc | 64

This link is for all those folks who come here to refute the fact there were Nazis in Ukraine in 2/24/22. It's from TRNN (the real news network) back in 2018.

Posted by: vetinLA | Apr 24 2022 22:47 utc | 65

librul@16 Re: Igor Kolomoisky "This thug oligarch is crucial to understanding the conflict in Ukraine."

Kolomoisky is also crucial to ending the conflict in Ukraine. If Russia takes his base in Dnipro (formerly Dnipropetrovsk), Kolomoisky is finished. The problem with taking Dnipro is that Kolomoisky has almost single-handedly financed The Revival of the Dnipropetrovsk and Dnipro Jewish Community in Ukraine.

The phenomenon of so-called Zhydo-Banderivtsi (Jewish Banderites) was Kolomoyskyy’s mocking and humorous response to Russia’s information warfare of a ‘Nazi-backed putsch’ in Ukraine and fascists running the country. In fact, Kolomoskyy’s team in 2014–2015 included two Jews (himself and Korban) and a Russian (Filatov). Zhydo Banderivtsi, a slogan which became common on t-shirts, reflected the active assistance of Russian-speaking Jews in Dnipropetrovsk oblast in defending Ukrainian statehood. Further, the slogan undermined Russian propaganda and disinformation about anti-Semitism in Ukraine. Russia’s information warfare claimed that Jewish volunteers were ‘particularly brutal and bloodthirsty, they do not take prisoners and shoot everything that moves...

We'll know when Russian forces are approaching Dnipro when the din of "It's another shoah!" begins. I honestly can't fathom how Ukrainian Jews in Dnipro can be so blind to the dangers of supporting Kolomoyskyy's fascist, ultra-nationalist Nazi militias and the Ukraine SBU Gestapo. Don't they realize they're next?

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 24 2022 22:48 utc | 66

njet #47

And everything we observe within the last years concerning the Empire of Lies fits into this picture. With all respect to Engdahl or Escobar and some barflies here, I don't buy this "Davos" story. I still don't know what it is really about.

Thank you for that clarifying post. I suggest it is really about: a capitalist nation that was incapable of setting boundaries around its exploitative obsession, its ideological hatreds and its misinterpretation of "we, the people" to "we, the elite".

The USA never comprehended the philosophers that espoused personal responsibility with governing responsibility. The elite occupy an intellectual realm of absolute dominance and minimal ethical boundaries. They even go so far as to grant the rights of a 'person' to a corporation. That is a significant exemplar of how lost, inept, confused they have become. To top it off they built an electoral system that is exclusive of any effective challenge and wrapped it up in a sham called USA democracy. There are much better electoral systems in the world where all voices get heard.

The USA and UK are a pair of deceased empires tripping over their own corpse.

Its over. We will be required to clean the mess.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 24 2022 22:49 utc | 67

Some words by the great Stefan Zweig for those always relying in human goodness..or luck...

"Let's not waste time, because time is not going in our favor, but against it. In an age where nonsense reigns, let us not rely on solid intellect and abandon the vain humanist belief that in a world plagued by weapons and mutual distrust something can be achieved with words."

It should be a sign of bad augure that it is precisely Macron´s France on the verge of an election which have decided to finish its diplomatic corps...

What do you need a diplomat for when you have comediants and "journalists"?

Article by former Spanish Ambassador to Georgia and the Caucasus States..

"We have thrown Russia into the arms of China, something that Kissinger considered "lethal". And the worst, the discredit of the West, now a Euro-American confederation."

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 22:51 utc | 68

@ blues 7
. .All of this was done primarily to construct a war theater in which the Russians could be accused of perpetrating atrocities and war crimes in order to poison the minds of the U.S and E.U. citizens . .

Randolph Bourne, 1918
War is the health of the State.
It automatically sets in motion throughout society those irresistible forces for uniformity, for passionate co-operation with the Government in coercing into obedience the minority groups and individuals which lack the larger herd sense. The machinery of government sets and enforces the drastic penalties, the minorities are either intimidated into silence or brought slowly around by a subtle process of persuasion which may seem to them to really converting them. . .

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 22:52 utc | 69

Some words by the great Stefan Zweig for those always relying in human goodness..or luck...

"Let's not waste time, because time is not going in our favor, but against it. In an age where nonsense reigns, let us not rely on solid intellect and abandon the vain humanist belief that in a world plagued by weapons and mutual distrust something can be achieved with words."


Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 22:51 utc | 67

You can't say Zweig wasn't consistent. He committed suicide in 1942 in Brazilian exile.

His Die Welt von Gestern is addictive reading.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 24 2022 23:07 utc | 70

no matter how cynical I get, it's never cynical enough.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 24 2022 21:34 utc | 50

"No matter how cynical you get, it is impossible to keep up."
-- Lily Tomlin

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 23:10 utc | 71

On the duty of those who have the gift of the word...

"Never has human dignity been so humiliated as it is today, never have peoples been so enslaved and mistreated, never has the image of God, in all its forms, been sullied and tortured with such vileness. But, on the other hand, never, my friends, never before has humanity recognized so clearly how essential freedom is to the soul of human beings, never have so many people hated tyranny and pressure so unanimously, never have so many people yearned for a redemptive message as now , now that he has a gag in his mouth.
Never in our lives have we been faced with something more urgent and crucial. Today it is up to us, to us who have been given the floor, to maintain undisturbed belief in moral power, confidence in the invincibility of the spirit, despite everything and everyone, in the midst of a dazed and half-devastated world. . So, let's stay together, let's fulfill this duty in our work, and in our lives, each one with his language, each one for his country."

"In this dark hour" ,Stefan Zweig, 1941

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 23:15 utc | 72

Here's a link to an OSCE report published in 2016:

War crimes of the armed forces and security forces of Ukraine: torture and inhumane treatment

It documents the cruel nature of Ukrainian state security services in silencing dissent and eradicating opposition, and the EU still wants this wretched country to become a member. It's beyond belief how sick and twisted the entire western narrative has become.

Posted by: One Too Many | Apr 24 2022 23:15 utc | 73

Strategic Culture is back. There is a long piece by Declan Hayes which concludes

"...Just as the Red Army chased the Wehrmacht from Moscow to the Reichstag, so also must NATO’s Nazi legions be pushed backwards from Mariupol to their Canadian spawning grounds. The peoples of Europe, from Portugal in its West to Georgia in its East, and from Norway in its North to Greece in its South do not need NATO’s endless wars of aggression and nor do they need the media, arms and Big Pharma companies that feed off their endless slaughter of innocents. The 1914-45 European Civil War is over. It is time for the armies of Canada and the USA to get out, go home and play out their endless, interminable wars on their home turf. Europe has had a gut full of them."

And then there is Finian Cunningham on the Public Health Labs that the Pentagon so kindly provided for Ukrainians. They were preparing to share the fruits of their expensive research with the Russian people too, before Putin so unsportingly intervened.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 24 2022 23:15 utc | 74

3) Wallstreet, Blackwater, Big Oil etc ,know very well: the foundation of their power and wealth is the US' capability "to act wherever, however and whenever we want". There is no big business without the US international monopoly of force. [.]

Posted by: njet | Apr 24 2022 21:27 utc | 47

“Why should they destroy it ?
Why should they destroy it? Why destroy its homelands economic structures? Why destroy the dollar?”

– it’s the wealth, and the arrogance of an “economic structure” built upon debt (some 90 trillion in USA and global north of $300 trillion) that will never be repaid in 1000 years.
That debt must be destroyed. All fiat currencies end in a fluff of zeros ushering a political and economic paradigm shift that will be no picnic.
“And everything we observe within the last years concerning the Empire of Lies fits into this picture. With all respect to Engdahl or Escobar and some barflies here, I don't buy this "Davos" story. I still don't know what it is really about.”

You still don’t know what it [Davos] is really about.

May I suggest you Read up. Inform yourself about the insalubrious “Davos” gang known as the World Economic Forum (WEF) headed by founder and Executive Chairman, Klaus Schwab, (a former student of Kissinger) and his unique “university of future world leaders”.

Schwab is on record boasting he has certain country’s government cabinet ministers on board as Trustees. An eye-watering list.

And Blackrock’s Fink.

Yes, there is an agenda. Bringing us the Great Reset – the 4th Industrial Revolution, one world order.
“Merging Man and Machine”
“The green Agenda “
“You will own nothing and be happy”

BTW, considering the topic is Ukraine. Zelensky is no stranger to Schwab.

People who stand for Peace and a Multipolar world, on the basis international law in lieu of “rules-based order”, reject the WEF’s Great Reset - one world tyranny.

Russia’s SMO triggers the shift to the multi-polar world - the 13% will no longer bully the 87%.

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 24 2022 23:20 utc | 75

Posted by: JB | Apr 24 2022 19:48 utc | 32

Thank you for your concern over looming nuclear apocalypse -- a more imminent threat to me now than at any time in my several decades on this freaking planet. I think if NATO stages a nuclear false flag in Ukraine, Russia might decide the time has come to massively retaliate, directly against Western capitals.

Martynov's latest rap focuses on the same subject: what are the odds of things going nuclear? The West can only conduct narrative, not modern warfare -- so what ensues when their fragile narrative inevitably implodes? Some analysts (not just Martyanov) think the nuclear false flag could be fairly likely, fairly soon, depending on the whims of people like Victoria Nuland -- the lunatics running Western policy.

Martyanov presents archetypal DoD lunatic Douglas Feith -- the one who cooked up the "weapons of mass destruction" lie about Iraq -- as a template of the personality-type charged with making decisions such as this one: whether to go ahead with a nuclear false-flag. It was US General Tommy Franks who offered the opinion that Feith is "the fucking stupidest person on the face of the earth".

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 23:28 utc | 76

I would visit MapsUkraine tweets occasionally for some visuals of Ukraine. No more. . .
Account suspended
Twitter suspends accounts that violate the Twitter Rules

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 23:28 utc | 77

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 23:10 utc | 70

Funny. For some reason I always attributed the cynical quote to MIKE Tomlin (of the Pittsburgh Steelers). :-D The dude gives some funny post-game pressers.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 24 2022 23:29 utc | 78

@Posted by: malenkov | Apr 24 2022 23:07 utc | 69

IMHO, all his works are addictive, he is addictive indeed because in the middle of the tragedy, in spite of his realist consciousnees of what was coming, still, until giving up, always kept a ray of light of hope which he shared as encouragement towards peoples for them to rebel and fight.

In the end, his European fellow citizens, ended not being to his height...

He suffered so much of witnessing the European culture dying amongst the barbarie, what he could think of our times?

Especially he suffered because all those nazi edicts and laws of shame were written in his same German mother language...

"Perhaps it will surprise you that, despite everything, we continue to create and write in this German language.
But no matter how much a writer could forget his land, he could never separate himself from the language with which he thinks about it and with which he creates. It was in this language that throughout our lives we fought against the self-idolatry of nationalism, and it is the only weapon we have left to continue fighting against the criminal anti-spirit that disrupts our world and throws human dignity to the dunghill."

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 23:29 utc | 79

Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 23:28 utc | 74

Something is being cooked up for sure. From the media..

Ukraine news - live: Top US diplomats arrive in Kyiv to meet Zelensky, official says

It is the highest level visit to Ukraine by an American delegation since the start of Russia’s invasion in February. The adviser, Oleksiy Arestovych, said in an interview on Ukrainian TV late Sunday that the talks are going on "right now."

Mr Zelensky's meeting with US secretary of state Antony Blinken and US defence secretary Lloyd Austin came as Ukraine pressed the west for more powerful weapons in its fight against the Russian invasion, which began 60 days ago.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 23:36 utc | 80

Robert Zubrin, an American aerospace engineer, wants to establish a 'new branch of human civilization' on Mars. Mars Society co-founder says robotic landers and rovers aren't enough.
Zubrin is highlighted in the latest Kyiv Post --
The Case for Intervention in Ukraine:
. We should accomplish this by striking Russian ground and air forces inside of Ukraine, and Russian naval forces inside of Ukrainian territorial waters. We should not strike Russian targets outside of Ukraine. . .Our air intervention should aim to be conducted along the lines it was in Korea, where US aircraft based in Japan struck at communist air and ground forces in Korea, but neither side struck the others’ home bases outside of that country. . .
Zubrin's a smart guy. .Zubrin's a smart guy??

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 23:39 utc | 81

The Portugese Communists refused to attend Zelensky's speech to parliament.

“PCP will not participate a platform to the escalation of the war...Zelensky personifies a xenophobic & belligerent power, surrounded and sustained by forces of a fascist & neo-nazi nature."

Posted by: Sundial | Apr 24 2022 23:48 utc | 82

Posted by: njet | Apr 24 2022 21:27 utc | 47 "I don't buy this "Davos" story. I still don't know what it is really about."

From the Davos man himself. It ain't no secret:

The Great Reset

Posted by: Mongo | Apr 24 2022 23:51 utc | 83

And more recent:

The Great Narrative

This Davos nut-job just won't give up.

Posted by: Mongo | Apr 24 2022 23:54 utc | 84

A lot of the "pro-Russia" pages and advocates are, unfortunately, anything but. Russians themselves are tired of hearing about how they're the savior of western people against the evil trans-Atlantic new world order. Here's why.

Posted by: Ian Kummer | Apr 24 2022 23:55 utc | 85

@Posted by: malenkov | Apr 24 2022 23:07 utc | 69

A curious thing is that the same European elites who now push nationalism in Ukraine to its most anti-human stances, have made use of Stefan Zweig arguments against nationalism when it is to erase any remaining sovereignty left in the European countries which now form the EU, an association whose leaders have had nazi links from its very foundations to this very day, with several grandchildren of nazi officials occupying currenlty decisive positions at EU mayor powers and institutions.

This is how, paradoxically to what the same Western powers pursued in the post-Soviet space, a promotion of the College of Europe, the univesity of the future cadres of the EU and other Western decision centers, carried the name of Stefan Zweig in 1993-1994 course, just after the USSR was disolved on basis of promotion nationalism...

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 23:59 utc | 86

@ PeterAU1 77
re: Blinken & Austin
Top US diplomats arrive in Kyiv to meet Zelensky
Two zeroes -- "diplomats" -- how much harm can they do?
Blinken has been doing nothing positive the last couple of months. Why does the US have a State Department, anyhow? World matters are mostly handled by the Pentagon's 'Combatant Commannders' which occupy the different sectors of the earth.
General Austin is remembered by some as another ineffective general, best known from a Senate hearing in 2015:
news report:
A $500m effort to train Syrian forces against the Islamic State has resulted in only a handful of fighters actively battling the jihadi army, the top military commander overseeing the war has testified. “We’re talking four or five,” General Lloyd Austin, commander of US Central Command, told a dissatisfied Senate armed services committee on Wednesday. //
Genera Austin was hired by Biden against the law which says the Pentagon chief is a civilian. Biden has said he hired Austin for a good reason, that Biden was impressed with how well Austin managed the US military pullout from Iraq. Biden must have had the Afghanistan pullout in mind, recall how smooth that was. (not)

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 23:59 utc | 87

April 22, 2022 Recap - The Reality In Ukraine a Sitrep of the progress
* The Hostages in the Azovstal complex –
* Gonzalo Lira and the Oppression of Journalists - those detained in Odessa, Gypsies, Ze's support for Bandera and his war crimes.

Clip of Lavrov's Interview in India."Ze says many things; depends on what he drinks or smokes".

Important Watch: Some images are graphic.
LINK 21st Centurywire

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 25 2022 0:01 utc | 88

Well Macron has won the Presidential election. His speech was idiotic. Still touting WEF shite such as gender equality becoming a great Green Nation blah de blah de blah. Civil unrest has already started in France. Macron acknowledged he had to address voter 'rage'. Yep the way he has done that in the past has been to set the militarised Police on protestors, banning all tv coverage of protests and orders for pilice to shoot to kill if they have to. France will be in full Revolution mode on the next few months I think. Where the French citizens lead europe will follow. Brong on the Revolution French Citizens!! We are right behind you. Other European countries will follow.

Posted by: Jo Dominich | Apr 25 2022 0:17 utc | 89

=> james | Apr 24 2022 19:03 utc | 22

Most people spell the term for the dirty top dogs as "elite", which bears a ring of niceness. I spell it as "eleet", which just happens to not look so nice. I can be perverse that way.

Posted by: blues | Apr 25 2022 0:17 utc | 90

@ Ian Kummer | Apr 24 2022 23:55 utc | 82

Thanks, that was worth reading.

Posted by: MarkU | Apr 25 2022 0:20 utc | 91

>>What do you need a diplomat for when you have comediants and "journalists"?

Article by former Spanish Ambassador to Georgia and the Caucasus States..

"We have thrown Russia into the arms of China, something that Kissinger considered "lethal". And the worst, the discredit of the West, now a Euro-American confederation."

Posted by: Ghost of Mozgovoy | Apr 24 2022 22:51 utc | 67<<

Precisely correct. The West needed statement but what they got was Twitter pearl clutching and clickbait sound bites. In the case of the big fish of the West, Joe Biden, he isn't able to do anything. It's the underlings running that show completely. It's even worse when intrafaction pissing contests are occurring with a weak feeble leader.

As I have said before, the world cannot live with Russian natural resources. That ship sailed long ago. In its place is now globalism. The biggest country in the world, by far, is Russia but the amount of people using the resources is proportionally small. The world cannot live without it. You can say "No Russian _____" all you want but all it means is a shuffling of how the world gets their resources of which Russia will remain a big part. Only now China will be an even bigger slice of the Russian shuffle. Stupid beyond words....

Posted by: Corsair66 | Apr 25 2022 0:42 utc | 92

blues | Apr 25 2022 0:17 utc | 87

I call them homicidal maniacs. It's a broad stroke that covers the expert and amatuers, possibly imbeciles who THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN are enthralled by procimity to power.

Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 25 2022 1:12 utc | 93

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 23:28 utc | 74

Voltaire Network has a piece linking all the major neocons at PNAC and their nazi connections.

In 1992, William Kristol and Robert Kagan (the husband of Victoria Nuland, widely quoted in the previous articles) published an article in Foreign Affairs deploring President Clinton’s timid foreign policy and calling for a renewal of “benevolent global hegemony” [5]. The following year they founded the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) at the American Enterprise Institute. Gary Schmitt, Abram Shulsky and Paul Wolfowitz were members. All of Leo Strauss’s non-Jewish admirers, including the Protestant Francis Fukuyama (the author of The End of History), immediately joined them.

In 1994, now an arms dealer, Richard Perle (a.k.a. “the Prince of Darkness”) became an advisor to the President and ex-Nazi Alija Izetbegović in Bosnia-Herzegovina. It was he who brought Osama Bin Laden and his Arab Legion (the forerunner of Al Qaeda) from Afghanistan to defend the country. Perle was even a member of the Bosnian delegation at the signing of the Dayton Accords in Paris.

In 1996, members of the PNAC (including Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and David Wurmser) wrote a study at the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies (IASPS) for the new Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu. This report [6] advocates the elimination of Yasser Arafat...

Posted by: Dadda | Apr 25 2022 1:14 utc | 94

More and more people from Mariupol are coming out and condemning Zelensky and the Banderite "Azov" death squad for holding them hostage and using them as human shields. Please watch and share the linked video below, it will help let the world know what is really happening in the Donbass.

Posted by: Nate | Apr 25 2022 1:16 utc | 95


“The adviser, Oleksiy Arestovych, said in an interview on Ukrainian TV late Sunday that the talks are going on ‘right now.’”

Arestovych is one of the most cunning and evil men alive. He’s the grey éminence behind the Ukrainian shit show, and I hope the Russians are keeping a close eye on him, if necessary through a telescopic lens.

Posted by: line islands | Apr 25 2022 1:16 utc | 96

Martyanov presents archetypal DoD lunatic Douglas Feith -- the one who cooked up the "weapons of mass destruction" lie about Iraq -- as a template of the personality-type charged with making decisions such as this one: whether to go ahead with a nuclear false-flag. It was US General Tommy Franks who offered the opinion that Feith is "the fucking stupidest person on the face of the earth".

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 24 2022 23:28 utc | 74

Feith was mostly known at the time as the dumbest man in washington. i doubt he cooked it up, tho i wouldn't be surprised if blame is being passed on to him by some of his fellow war criminals. i would put Cheney near the top of the list of who originally copied the idea from other false flag incidents the us had cooked up over the years. it's like the sequel to a sequel of a sequal of a hollywood movie that was actually original and innovative. now, it's just a script where you fill in the blanks--we must support the people of ....... in their heroic struggle against the modern Hitler,......who is obviously a threat to the greater world because HE KILLS HIS OWN PEOPLE IN.......
if we don't stop ....... now we will not be able to stop him/her later, we must not play the spineless Chamberlain to ......'s Hitler, we are freedom's only chance in this crucial time.
with a rotating cast, often replaced as the parts wear out.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 25 2022 1:27 utc | 97

Title says it all: this one takes a strong stomach to watch (I just read the summary in the link); as the ukie prime minister states, cash important as the american taxpayers have a duty to pay pensions and salaries into the bank accounts of the corrupt govt. As mentioned in the linked article:

Let that point settle in deeply, as we consider how working Americans are being financially destroyed by U.S. monetary/fiscal policy, yet the same U.S. officials wiping out your bank account are funding the bank accounts of people in Ukraine.

In other news, zelenski is demanding $7 bil/monthly to, in essence, keep his mouth shut; guess where that $7 bil would come from.

Posted by: Thomas | Apr 25 2022 1:46 utc | 98

Two oil refinery fires in Bryansk. Very interesting timing with Lloyd Austin and Blinken arriving in Kiev. There have been other fires in Russia over past week. These things happen but given clear Russian advantage on battlefield it would make sense for Ukraine and/or NATO to attempt asymmetric attacks on Russian infrastructure. I would think this would risk burning their agents in the country but what do I know.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 25 2022 1:53 utc | 99

Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 23:59 utc | 84

Wait and see what develops in the next week or two.

"Two zeroes -- "diplomats" -- how much harm can they do?"

It is zero's like these that use strategies like converting Sunni Muslims into Islamic extremists, convert entire countries to nazism and then, false flags to try to discredit the targeted government. How many millions have died because of these type zero's over the last three decades? Both the victims of the zombies, and the zombies themselves who are victims of brainwashing overseen by these zero's.
I don't think they've gone to see supposedly zelensky just to sort a few lines of coke with him.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 25 2022 1:57 utc | 100

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