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April 17, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-50
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …
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@ 340 Posted by: None | Apr 18 2022 15:54 utc | 401 @ Chaka Khagan | Apr 18 2022 15:41 utc | 391 Posted by: james | Apr 18 2022 15:58 utc | 402 Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 18 2022 13:15 utc | 364 Posted by: TomD | Apr 18 2022 16:04 utc | 403 interesting suggestion from rolo slavskiy – Posted by: james | Apr 18 2022 16:07 utc | 404 Two thousand soldiers trapped underground. Not enough food. Not enough water. Lots of drugs. Lots of guns. Most of the soldiers not all that mentally stable in best of times. What could possibly go wrong? Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 18 2022 16:09 utc | 405 Roger @394– Posted by: Martina | Apr 18 2022 14:51 utc | 379 Posted by: Стивен | Apr 18 2022 16:18 utc | 407 Hard Power Diplomacy
The most effective way to blow EU is blowing Macron in the wind. A reason for trying to reduce Azovstal in the next couple of days is that Frenchmen captured there could swing the French election to Le Pen, and a Presidente Le Pen could veto the admission of Finland to NATO. For this reason, Scott Ritter recently said that Le Pen could be the savior not only of Europe but of the world, because Finland in NATO could very well mean World War 3. Posted by: Lysias | Apr 18 2022 13:43 utc | 367 What happens to the EU balance if Le Pen wins in a week? It would of course be an earthquake. Posted by: Bastille | Apr 18 2022 16:26 utc | 410 @Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 18 2022 16:10 utc | 399 An approach to removing the steel plant nato/nazi infestation I haven’t heard mentioned would be the liberal use of Israel’s skunk water. If it didn’t drive them out, it would at least make their final days most unpleasant. And, being Knesset approved for use in civilian Palestinian homes and schools, and thus kosher, it would be tough for the msm to accuse anyone of chemical warfare. Posted by: Pete | Apr 18 2022 16:41 utc | 412 Helmuth von Moltke | Apr 18 2022 15:53 utc | 393 Posted by: lapin | Apr 18 2022 16:44 utc | 413 Posted by: Roger | Apr 18 2022 16:28 utc | 404 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 18 2022 16:48 utc | 414 Martina [Posted by: Martina | Apr 18 2022 14:51 utc | 379] is correct about bomb shelters being ubiquitous across former Soviet space. The Kiev metro [Google helpfully reminded me that its search results were for Kyiv] has the deepest station in the world As for the groundwater issue – I’ve wondered about that. Maintained waterproofing and pumps are usually required for maintaining a habitable environment in such situations. I recall a bomb shelter in the courtyard of some Kiev apartments that would flood when there were heavy rains. Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 18 2022 16:48 utc | 415 @Eric Blair “For US weapons manufacturers, Ukraine is the new Afghanistan, only better. They can charge full retail for sub-par weapons that will be destroyed before possible use.” Posted by: ian | Apr 18 2022 16:49 utc | 416 @lapin | Apr 18 2022 16:44 utc | 406
No, they are not. I have experience with this process and have written astro-imaging software for image calibration and stacking. You have to exclude the images with satellite trails. This is off topic here, but anyway. Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 18 2022 16:50 utc | 417 Posted by: Karl | Apr 18 2022 6:53 utc | 302 Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 18 2022 16:50 utc | 418 @394 Roger Posted by: ptb | Apr 18 2022 16:53 utc | 419 @ian | Apr 18 2022 16:49 utc | 409
The best thing that can happen from a weapon’s manufacturers point of view is if weapons are dumped (Afghanistan) or destroyed (Ukraine). In both cases, the market is “renewed”. Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 18 2022 16:54 utc | 420 @Paul Greenwood | Apr 18 2022 16:50 utc | 411
Do not spread such rumors without a link to back it up. Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 18 2022 16:56 utc | 421 —–No, no. Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Apr 18 2022 16:58 utc | 422 Стивен @400– On the value of live prisoners – this is excerpted from over at ZH: Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 18 2022 17:01 utc | 424 Does the local government also conduct Civil Defense Drills that utilize those structures for “historical education”? Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 18 2022 17:05 utc | 425 walt et.al Posted by: Anne B | Apr 18 2022 17:10 utc | 426 Gonzalo Lira – Chilean envoy is aware of disappearance the pessimist @418– @417 Pessimist Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 18 2022 17:23 utc | 429 Does the local government also conduct Civil Defense Drills that utilize those structures for “historical education”? Posted by: Стивен | Apr 18 2022 17:25 utc | 430 Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 18 2022 17:01 utc | 417
Indeed. Medvechuk is said to have Putin as the godfather of his daughter. Previously Zelensky was demanding the release of 1000 captured soldiers for Medvedchuk, now with these two british throwaways Putin *might* be able to get someone of value to him without having to release a large chunk of potential combatants back onto the battlefield. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 18 2022 17:28 utc | 431 —–Unless the Azovstahl bunkers have a fully independent air generation system like submarine systems (very unlikely). Posted by: Anne B | Apr 18 2022 17:37 utc | 432 The problem with satellites (and airplanes) for astronomers (amateur and professional) is that they leave behind ugly lines on your photographs, if you are doing pictures of deep sky objects like nebulas or galaxies. So – no, I don’t have a photo of a satellite, since you just see them as bright lines in your picture and therefore you delete the pic right away. Posted by: Anne B | Apr 18 2022 17:42 utc | 433 Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 18 2022 16:50 utc | 418 Posted by: lapin | Apr 18 2022 17:46 utc | 434 So it’s a question of esthetics? Posted by: So it’s a question o | Apr 18 2022 18:01 utc | 435 @Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 18 2022 16:48 utc | 415 Стивен @423– @Posted by: ptb | Apr 18 2022 16:53 utc | 420 martina @ 385 Posted by: FZappa | Apr 18 2022 19:12 utc | 439 Bad news about Gonzalo Lira 😞 on Twitter Posted by: Giovanni Dall'Orto | Apr 18 2022 19:16 utc | 440 Wow. From the Daily Beast ‘about’ page:
Now the ‘never cynical’ Daily Beast can brag about how they informed the SBU Gestapo of U.S. citizen journalist Gonzalo Lira’s whereabouts in Ukraine. He’s either dead by now or has been taken to an SBU Gestapo black site for a little torture. I wonder who else is on the Daily Beast Kill list? Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 18 2022 21:01 utc | 441 @439 Roger Posted by: ptb | Apr 18 2022 21:34 utc | 442 @ Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 18 2022 22:34 utc | 443 “Too many people are ignorant of Hitler’s Plan Ost, similar British plans, similar CIA plans, the plan Brezinski articulated in Grand Chessboard, and the Outlaw US Empire’s #1 policy goal stated in 1996 and again in 1999… The only differing feature from Outlaw US policy goals and Hitler’s Plan Ost is the former doesn’t seek lebensraum, only that the land be vacant so its resources can be exploited.” Posted by: Vintage Red | Apr 18 2022 22:46 utc | 444 Norwegian | Apr 18 2022 16:54 utc | 421 Posted by: chu teh | Apr 18 2022 23:10 utc | 445 About Gonzalo Lira, Posted by: CarlD | Apr 19 2022 0:28 utc | 446 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 18 2022 14:06 utc | 376 Posted by: Paul | Apr 19 2022 1:45 utc | 447 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 18 2022 8:20 utc | 320 Posted by: Paul | Apr 19 2022 1:49 utc | 448 Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 18 2022 18:04 utc | 438 Posted by: Стивен | Apr 19 2022 8:18 utc | 449 Nazi commander calls on Pope to save them. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 19 2022 14:29 utc | 450 The majority of brainwashed Americans think the world will be a better place if Putin is removed from office, the same Americans also think that the world would be better if Kim Jong-Un was removed as well as Xi Jingping of China, and Iran’s president as well. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 19 2022 15:00 utc | 451 UNSG Bilderberger and Club Madrid member Antonio Guterres caught lying. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 19 2022 15:04 utc | 452 Hey you, yeah you in Europe working two jobs just to keep the lights and heating on, guess what, the EU is going to rebuild Ukraine using hundreds of billions of Euros, and you and your family and your children will pay for it. Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 19 2022 15:14 utc | 453 |
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