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April 17, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-50
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Zelensky has said that Ukraine needs 7 billion a month to pay salaries etc. on top of the increasing amounts of arms it wants from the EU and US. That is 840 billion (dollars I presume) over ten years, and for the arms another 1 or 2 percent of the GNP of each EU country? Luckily money is made by a short fat finger on a key board these days. Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 17 2022 19:42 utc | 101 Head of Chechnya Kadyrov announces that a specific special operation has now begun in Ukraine which will yield concrete results (with a huge smile on his face) and that should any Ukrainian soldier want to surrender, they should run towards a russian check point, they will be fed and received as POW. He says he’s personally against any negotiations and personally wants to destroy the devils that terrorized his people (in Donbas) — in his words. Posted by: Andrew B. | Apr 17 2022 19:45 utc | 102 There is now a chorus of warnings come from the US, the UK, and Zelensky warning of a Russian attack with a “tactical nuclear weapon”. This is being presented in conjunction with the constant false narrative that “Russia is losing the war and is desperate”. Based on past experience, I have to worry that this is being done to prepare the public (in the West) for a nuclear false flag. Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 17 2022 19:47 utc | 103 Let NATO just try it. Posted by: Andrew B. | Apr 17 2022 19:50 utc | 104 @AnneB sorry, you must know nothing if you believe orders of “Not one step back” were not given by the Soviet high command You must know nothing if you dont know orders to “hold at all cost were not given by Soviet high command in ww2. Sorry, history is not opinion. It is fact Posted by: Mark | Apr 17 2022 19:51 utc | 105 Andrew B. | Apr 17 2022 19:45 utc | 103 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 17 2022 19:51 utc | 106 Peter Posted by: Andrew B. | Apr 17 2022 19:53 utc | 107 Really too bad people are as biased here as those who comment on MSM. I thought people here might be more thinking. Im afraid not Posted by: Mark | Apr 17 2022 19:55 utc | 108 @104 … Posted by: ptb | Apr 17 2022 19:56 utc | 109 virgile @ 62 Posted by: circumspect | Apr 17 2022 19:57 utc | 110 Russia vs. GB + the EUpuddles, China vs. US/AU + the asian puddles. The author mentions Denmark; Maersk, which is a Danish company, is so far the biggest shipping company in the world (by amount of goods and by revenue), and is one of, if not, the biggest net contributor to Danish finances.
Posted by: Boo | Apr 17 2022 20:02 utc | 111 Sundial | Apr 17 2022 18:08 utc | 82 Posted by: dodgy Bodger | Apr 17 2022 20:03 utc | 112 I have read that Wikileaks now has the complete contents of the Hunter Biden hard drive of recent note and plan to release it all. Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 17 2022 20:06 utc | 113 Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 17 2022 19:47 utc | 104 Posted by: Boo | Apr 17 2022 20:08 utc | 114 Interesting, more than 800,000 Ukr have returned back, mainly from Poland and neighbouring countries. Apparently the movement is accelerating. Rumours that Russia won’t attack the West? Fed up with the Poles? Decided to eject Ze with pitches and forks? Unhappy with the prospect of going to Rwanda? Posted by: Anonymitas | Apr 17 2022 20:11 utc | 115 Posted by: Mark | Apr 17 2022 19:55 utc | 109 “Really too bad people are as biased here as those who comment on MSM. I thought people here might be more thinking. Im afraid not” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 17 2022 20:17 utc | 116 Anyone got anything to add on the apparent connection between the attack on the Moskva and Musk’s Starlink satellite internet service? Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 17 2022 20:19 utc | 117 Another attempt to lift the ukie and foreign leaders caught in Azovstal? What is wierd is that Baraniuk was supposedly killed trying to flee on foot with a video posted earlier showing the attempt. Confusing info from DNR/RF.
Posted by: Boo | Apr 17 2022 20:22 utc | 118 Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 17 2022 20:19 utc | 118 Posted by: Boo | Apr 17 2022 20:23 utc | 119 Posted by: anon2020 | Apr 17 2022 20:19 utc | 118 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 17 2022 20:24 utc | 120 anon2020 | Apr 17 2022 20:19 utc | 118 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 17 2022 20:28 utc | 121 Current briefing from Russian MoD Telegram channel…
RSH Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 17 2022 20:29 utc | 122 anon2020 @118 Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 17 2022 20:34 utc | 123 Posted by: Bea | Apr 17 2022 13:40 utc | 7 Posted by: Jphn Kennard | Apr 17 2022 20:35 utc | 124 Peter AU1 @60 Posted by: hoggy | Apr 17 2022 20:38 utc | 125 This may have been posted earlier but I must highly recommend this youtube video update on the current situation by three excellent analyists https://youtu.be/vrMJoRDfRFI Posted by: Oh | Apr 17 2022 20:39 utc | 126 @124 Gruff Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 17 2022 20:40 utc | 127 Have there been any more details of what did or did not happen at the Maricopol theater, beyond the Grayzone article from a few weeks ago? Patrick Lawrence talked to a local person who said that it had been evacuated, but I have not seen anything else. Posted by: schmoe | Apr 17 2022 20:43 utc | 128 he didn’t know what r2p was; he didn’t know who the osce are; Donbas is part of Ukraine so none of Russia’s business; in Ukraine for him everything started 24/2/2022. I made a closing speech: it is good they are raising money for refugees, but horrifying to see good people calling for ww3; then a few other things I can’t quite remember. Exhausted, what a shit time to actually give fuck. Posted by: bubbles | Apr 17 2022 20:46 utc | 129 Dont be scared you wont find answers like this anywhere else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kX5k__R3u0 Posted by: Dom | Apr 17 2022 20:47 utc | 130 fyi Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 17 2022 20:48 utc | 131 From Rybar Telegram channel… https://t.me/rybar/31371 If you want to see how massive this steel plant area is… Also shows the sort of damage done to buildings in the area. Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 17 2022 20:52 utc | 132 anon2020 | Apr 17 2022 20:19 utc | 118
The Dodgy Bodger Posted by: Dodgy Bodger | Apr 17 2022 20:53 utc | 133 @Olivier, they are holding Russian troops from moving north. Buying time. Posted by: Olivier | Apr 17 2022 20:59 utc | 134 DU is used to penetrate tank armour because of its density Posted by: Olivier | Apr 17 2022 21:00 utc | 135 Gonzalo Lira is missing! Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 17 2022 21:01 utc | 136 @118: Posted by: Helmuth von Moltke | Apr 17 2022 21:02 utc | 137 I’ve no clue if so-called ”depleted” uranium has been utilized in the Ukraine, but I been meaning to explain that this so-called ”depleted” uranium does not exist in any battlefield context. Supposedly it punctures tanks and burns up inside there by consuming oxygen, but there can’t be all that much oxygen to burn inside a tank. More tellingly, it was supposedly used all over Iraq, even after there were no more tanks left. And other kinds of explosives would have been just as effective, and without the radiation problems. Further, true depleted uranium would not have been radioactive enough to cause the very extensive radiation harms and mutations that occurred in Iraq. Posted by: blues | Apr 17 2022 21:05 utc | 138 From Anna News… https://t.me/anna_news/28662
Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 17 2022 21:06 utc | 139 Sometimes I re-watch an old movie and I can’t remember why I ever enjoyed such crap (Terminator or Dirty Harry movies, for instance). My taste in cinema seems to flip with alarming alacrity, to the point I hardly like anything anymore. So I was pleasantly surprised to still very much enjoy the movie version of Jonathan Safran Foer’s heartfelt loveletter to Ukraine, Everything is Illuminated. Given that the subject matter concerns Jews, Ukrainians, and Nazis, it’s a miracle we can still enjoy this unique masterpiece. Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 17 2022 21:07 utc | 140 Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 17 2022 18:41 utc | 88 Posted by: Olivier | Apr 17 2022 21:08 utc | 141 @119 Boo Posted by: ptb | Apr 17 2022 21:12 utc | 142 We now know why Cookie Nuland was so very nervous during her testimony in Congress expressing fear the Ukraine bio-labs material would fall in Russian hands.
https://sputniknews.com/20220417/plague-and-typhus-what-have-american-scientists-been-up-to-in-ukraines-biolabs-1094839384.html Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 17 2022 21:12 utc | 143 blues | Apr 17 2022 21:05 utc | 139 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 17 2022 21:12 utc | 144 @119 Boo Posted by: ptb | Apr 17 2022 21:14 utc | 145 @36 DakotaRog: Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Apr 17 2022 21:15 utc | 146 From Intel Slava Z Telegram channel…
One hopes Gonzalo Lira wasn’t caught up in this witch-hunt… Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 17 2022 21:16 utc | 147 Posted by: ptb | Apr 17 2022 21:12 utc | 143 Posted by: Boo | Apr 17 2022 21:18 utc | 148 blues | Apr 17 2022 21:05 utc | 139 Posted by: Dodgy Bodger | Apr 17 2022 21:18 utc | 149 I believe that Kyiv wants to force Russia to use chemical weapons to evict the underground combatants, something they could then crow about. Posted by: Olivier | Apr 17 2022 21:19 utc | 150 @149 Boo … Posted by: ptb | Apr 17 2022 21:23 utc | 151 If you want to see all the videos posted on telegram channels, but dont want to bother installing it, this website collects a lot of them + some I have not seen posted on telegram: Posted by: Boo | Apr 17 2022 21:23 utc | 152 Aleph_Null | Apr 17 2022 21:07 utc | 141 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 17 2022 21:24 utc | 153 Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 17 2022 20:06 utc | 114 Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 17 2022 21:25 utc | 154 These are the type of reports the MSM are putting out in Australia (a government-funded channel in this case): “Russia’s unspeakable horrors in northern Ukraine: Torture, murder and cluster bombs“; “Russian soldiers descended on Bohdanivka days after the Ukraine war began. What followed was weeks of horror“. How can these be countered? A lot of people will believe this (I hope the reports are not truthful), and it will be very hard to change this perception. Posted by: Suzy McHale | Apr 17 2022 21:26 utc | 155 A lot (slight majority?) of the vids that end up on telegram can also be found at tvzvezda.ru and anna-news.info Posted by: ptb | Apr 17 2022 21:29 utc | 156 Interesting video from Kharkov…From ColonelCassad Telegram channel…https://t.me/boris_rozhin/43172
Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 17 2022 21:29 utc | 157 “Airy proclamations we could feed ten times current population are that – air. The breakdown of the biosphere is advanced, electric cars and windmills are purely a distraction.” Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 17 2022 21:31 utc | 158 @ blues | Apr 17 2022 21:05 utc | 139 RE: Posted by: MarkU | Apr 17 2022 21:32 utc | 159 Peter AU1 | Apr 17 2022 21:12 utc | 145 (et al) Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 17 2022 21:34 utc | 160 Susie @156. Interesting that because it is listing all the things the UAF has done and continues to do. A lot if this behaviour by the Ukies is captured on Telegram. Classic case of ‘projection’. Aussie news is merely reporting Uki atrocities but attributing them to Russia. Posted by: Jo Dominich | Apr 17 2022 21:39 utc | 161
It would of course be an earthquake. Posted by: La Bastille | Apr 17 2022 21:46 utc | 162 @Olivier, they are holding Russian troops from moving north. Buying time. Posted by: Olivier | Apr 17 2022 21:57 utc | 163 @Peter AU1 Posted by: Mark | Apr 17 2022 21:57 utc | 164 Oliver @151– @ Peter AU1 | Apr 17 2022 21:24 utc | 154 Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 17 2022 22:02 utc | 166 re Wilbur | Apr 17 2022 14:51 utc | 26 Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 17 2022 22:03 utc | 167 Re; Lira Posted by: K | Apr 17 2022 22:05 utc | 168 On the depleted uranium topic, everyone owes blues an apology since the reason it’s called “depleted” is because it was initially enriched–it’s spent–depleted–reactor fuel that must be enriched for it to become fuel. And yes, its use creates a very potent toxin making it a radiological Chemical Weapon that can cause mass destruction of millions over time as it kills via cancers and birth defects. On 13th April I first saw a video on a Telegram channel that appeared to show Colonel General Roger L. Klutjea (Roger L. Cloutier), handcuffed and being led into a building. I don’t think anyone here has mentioned it. Could it be valid? Posted by: Italanon | Apr 17 2022 22:06 utc | 170 Smackdown of the day goes to blogger, youtuber and telegram star Ramzan K.: Posted by: Boo | Apr 17 2022 22:06 utc | 171 Posted by: Italanon | Apr 17 2022 22:06 utc | 170 Posted by: Boo | Apr 17 2022 22:08 utc | 172 @103 A video about Aidan Eslin and other British mercs’ I found interesting. Posted by: dh | Apr 17 2022 22:11 utc | 173 Peter AU1, ptb Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 17 2022 22:12 utc | 174 Now that the Ukrainians have rejected the Russian offer, just how long will the remaining Nazis in the steelworks last before they are exterminated, I doubt they would survive more than a week or so if the Russians are serious about flooding or systematically demolishing the building on top of the troops there. However, I get the feeling that the Russians really want to capture something in those steelworks in one piece, probably not the soldiers there (even if there is a US General there) or the building itself, maybe the rumors of a torture complex in the steelworks are true, if so, it would certain give a ton of legitimacy to the upcoming Ukrainian war crime trials. Posted by: Kadath | Apr 17 2022 22:16 utc | 175 From Martyanov’s blog:
Original post on VK (in Russian):
Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 17 2022 22:16 utc | 176 Perimetr@104 – “There is now a chorus of warnings come from the US, the UK, and Zelensky warning of a Russian attack with a “tactical nuclear weapon”. This is being presented in conjunction with the constant false narrative that “Russia is losing the war and is desperate”. Based on past experience, I have to worry that this is being done to prepare the public (in the West) for a nuclear false flag.” Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 17 2022 22:23 utc | 177 Scott Ritter & Ray on Ukraine: “Russian ‘Incoming’ To Destroy Weapons Coming In”
Related: Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 17 2022 22:24 utc | 178 RT reports on Medvedev’s telegram rebuttal of “Aunt Ursula’s” glee at Russia’s anticipated default, which those of us who know better have already laughed at. Here’s his full retort:
You’ll also have noted the Outlaw US Empire’s media’s intensive focus on Russia and Russian companies defaulting on their obligations–bond coupon and loan payments–while ignoring the massive Grand Theft of Russian funds. But the payments are still rendered nonetheless–it’s certainly not the company’s fault the bank used was illegally sanctioned and is kept from performing its duties. The fault lies on the illegal sanctioners and thus their onus for making the payment. Biden and his crew are proving themselves to be the intellectual equals of Hitler and his staff as they follow one blunder with another. In that essence, they are certainly exceptional. james | Apr 17 2022 17:42 utc | 72, sorry I wasn’t clear on my first quote @ 51 – the week of a shutdown in Mariupol coming up coincides with Holy Week for the Orthodox, so today is Palm Sunday. I did post on this at b’s Easter message post. Posted by: juliania | Apr 17 2022 22:31 utc | 180 Billovskii | Apr 17 2022 18:58 utc | 93 Posted by: la bouteille | Apr 17 2022 22:33 utc | 181 Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 17 2022 22:23 utc | 177 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 17 2022 22:34 utc | 182 Yet another Ukrainian attempt with Tochka-U Posted by: ptb | Apr 17 2022 22:34 utc | 183 Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 17 2022 18:41 utc | 88 Posted by: foolisholdman | Apr 17 2022 22:44 utc | 184 => MarkU | Apr 17 2022 21:32 utc | 160 Posted by: blues | Apr 17 2022 22:46 utc | 185 I always thought Fareed Zakaria was the diet coke of intellectuals (i.e. cancer causing the more you drink), but he really went above and beyond himself in this asinine “analysis“; basically the US needs to support Ukraine now be imposing a blockade on the Ukraine coast to save the city of Odessa. WHOLE BUNCH OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT IDEA, putting aside the blunt truth that a blockade is a act of war and would mean direct conflict between US/NATO troops and Russia, how would that even work, the US navy has only a handful of ships that could sail in the shallow waters of the black sea; where would these ships be based? How would they even get there? Turkey has closed the straits to military traffic. This idea is inherently unworkable. Posted by: Kadath | Apr 17 2022 22:49 utc | 186 @Kadath that disgusting propaganda mouthpiece Zakaria doesn’t have “ideas” Posted by: Lolgege | Apr 17 2022 22:54 utc | 187 Kadath | Apr 17 2022 22:49 utc | 186 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 17 2022 23:02 utc | 188 Hey, Moskva again. First photos after the incident: Posted by: Boo | Apr 17 2022 23:04 utc | 189 Hmm, aparently the photos are coming from western MSM sources? Bonkers, if true, and here is the opinion of major & general channel, https://t.me/mig41/16576:
Posted by: Boo | Apr 17 2022 23:10 utc | 191 Take social media with a good dose of epsom salts. Shit happens in war but there are also many Kiev Ghosts. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 17 2022 23:17 utc | 192 Sundial | Apr 17 2022 18:08 utc | 82 Agree. Posted by: dodgy Bodger | Apr 17 2022 23:18 utc | 193 Posted by: Boo | Apr 17 2022 23:04 utc | 189 Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 17 2022 23:20 utc | 194
The idea that the Rwandan tragedy is a “genocide carried off” by evil white (French, white, i. e. racist) people is one of the stupidest I have ever seen on this blog. Posted by: Leuk | Apr 17 2022 23:22 utc | 195 From Glazyev’s April 10 article, “The Results of American Aggression That Are Positive for Russia”: Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 17 2022 23:20 utc | 194 Posted by: Boo | Apr 17 2022 23:24 utc | 197 Republicofscotland | Apr 17 2022 17:59 utc | 79 Posted by: dodgy Bodger | Apr 17 2022 23:26 utc | 198
Perhaps they did. It doesn’t necessarily follow that taking Lira out was a priority. Consider, after all, the size and influence of his audience. Posted by: malenkov | Apr 17 2022 23:31 utc | 199 karlof1 “The problem I have with Glazyev is his unfortunate need to engage in I Told You Soisms” Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 17 2022 23:36 utc | 200 |
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