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April 14, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-46

Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict ...

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I‘m starting to get concerned about the War Party organizing a long war of 3+ years. Thoughts ?

Posted by: Exile | Apr 14 2022 14:47 utc | 1

@The duration of this conflict it's really not up to the War Party tbh,so I wouldn't worry.Its the RF that makes facts on the ground not the other way around.

Posted by: Lolgege | Apr 14 2022 14:50 utc | 2

will there be another 200 posts on the Moskva on this thread?

@ Exile | Apr 14 2022 14:47 utc | 1 - i think it is a valid concern... based on usa-nato response so far, i agree with you..

Posted by: james | Apr 14 2022 14:54 utc | 3

Another Neocon War

In 2003 the vast majority of Americans, about 75%,
believed Saddam had been involved in September 11th.
The US soldiers invading Iraq in March of 2003
were even more certain, upwards of 85%.

It was a Neocon War. There were many forces in play
that drove us to the invasion of Iraq, but without the
Neocons it never would have happened.

Most people are unaware (indoctrinated) that this
Ukraine conflict is another Neocon War. Again, like Iraq, there
are many forces at play, but without the Neocons it
never would have happened.


Russia is holding back much of it's military forces
in anticipation of a NATO(US) counterattack.
And, also, anticipating a much longer war.

Posted by: librul | Apr 14 2022 14:59 utc | 4

Another realistic Russian ex-mil. opinion on the post-"Moscow" situation,, (Yandex translation):

[Forwarded from A spy to whom no one writes]
Missile defeat of the cruiser "Moscow" opens a new stage of hostilities in Ukraine

The priority direction of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with the support of NATO is the South of Ukraine in the direction of Crimea and Donbass

The situation around the attack on the cruiser "Moscow" has two dimensions:
military–technical and public–media.

The military–technical part of this situation was described most fully ( ) the author of the Atomic Cherry channel, I recommend reading, a bright and deep mind that rarely makes mistakes in estimates.

I can add to the above only the unpreparedness of the Russian fleet for the active actions of the AFU, which lies in the weak intelligence and analytical capabilities of the headquarters of the Black Sea Fleet and the Navy of Russia.

After 50 days of the operation, from which half of the time we observe the increasing scale and pace of enemy activity, there is no reflection.

Once again, we are faced with a critical underestimation of the capabilities of the APU.
The cruiser had no cover and acted alone, which is already quite a dangerous occupation.

So far, everything suggests that the ship was hit during a combined attack involving a UAV and the Ukrainian Neptune missile defense system with direct support from NATO (primarily in reconnaissance and targeting).

It is difficult to say what chances the ship had without cover with outdated radar and air defense in such conditions.

In the general picture of what happened , two points are of interest:

1. Did NATO reconnaissance aircraft take part ( )in the continuous illumination of the target, or only gave the exact coordinates.
The first option already speaks of the direct participation of the British Air Force in a military operation against the missile cruiser "Moscow".

2. Whether the Turkish Bayraktar UAVs were used in the attack on the ship. It may also dramatically lower the degree of Turkey's relations with Russia.

Once again, we have received a painful lesson in competent and clear planning of the operation, unified and effective management of forces and means, which is critically lacking in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

The media and public reflection is extremely surprising.
The media are trying to explain Ukraine's success with some kind of NATO miracle weapon, missiles that were able to magically hit the ship.

This cargo cult, the magical perception of war, takes society even further away from reality.

Russia has suffered a serious symbolic and military defeat.

And if the loss of the first large ship (BDK, in Berdyansk) could be written off as an accident, then the loss of the second is already a pattern that speaks of a dangerous underestimation of the enemy.

What conclusions and forecasts can we come to at the moment:

1. The naval blockade of Ukrainian ports is under threat. The Black Sea Fleet, due to its small size, cannot continue to lose (surface) ships.
We need to look for other means to keep the coast and Ukrainian ports under control.

2. Attacks on the Black Sea Fleet will continue, primarily by the forces of the NSM PKR, whose range (up to 200 km) allows hitting ships of the Black Sea Fleet almost throughout the Black Sea, including the coast of Crimea.
The Black Sea Fleet will be squeezed out of the Black Sea to the coast of the peninsula.

3. The main direction of the APU offensive is the South of Ukraine – Kherson and Mykolaiv region.
Britain has repeatedly made it clear that the Black Sea ports of Ukraine, primarily Odessa, have strategic value for them.

Donbass is also being strengthened as an instrument of depletion of Russian and allied forces. The AFU grouping, which has been strengthening for seven years, is far from exhaustion.

4. The second center of forces is the Dnipropetrovsk region, as the political center of the South, which connects all the surrounding regions.

5. Crimea becomes a priority target of the AFU and NATO operations. This confirms the Pentagon's "bold" statement that the United States will provide Kiev with intelligence information on targets in the Crimea and Donbas.

Not only the Black Sea Fleet will be hit, but also the objects and forces of the Crimean ground group.
It is critically important for the AFU to paralyze the logistics and replenishment of the "southern" grouping of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation operating from Kherson. @genshab

So my prediction from the other thread looks to be right after all.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 14 2022 15:00 utc | 5

Quick questions for discussion.

What is the status of the Bosphorus?

As I see it, The only port that could take sealift capacity for the Ukranians is Odessa. Can Sevastopol and the forces there shut that sea lane with land/air assets without the use of a blue water component?

Posted by: Degringolade | Apr 14 2022 15:09 utc | 6

I read this blog saker, Indian punchline, and reminiscence of future in addition to, sputnik news to get a different POV from MSM. I still feel like things are not going good for Russia. When will Putin wipe off senile Biden and arrogant Blinken and Price smiles? Trudeau the spineless coward licking Biden's behind..

Never in my life foreign news had this much effect on me.

Posted by: Calgary Guy | Apr 14 2022 15:09 utc | 7

As Biden opens up with an attack against India via human rights because Modi won't fall into line with the US/Nato agenda against Russia, India bites back.

India has said that it is tracking human rights abuses in the US, including those targeting Americans of Indian origin. The statement came after Washington criticized India’s human rights record.

“We take up human rights issues when they arise [in the US], especially when they pertain to our community,” India’s Foreign Minister Subrahmanyam Jaishankar said on Wednesday.

“And, in fact, we had a case yesterday,” the minister said, referring to the recent attacks on members of the Sikh community in New York.

On Tuesday, two men were assaulted with fists and a stick in Richmond Hill in Queens, police said. The victims were hospitalized. The incident, which is being investigated as a possible hate crime, occurred a week after another Sikh man was attacked in the same area. He was left with a broken nose and severe bruises."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 15:12 utc | 8

Thanks Boo for that update.

Yes, the Russian story of a fire destroying the ship is not credible. This was a success Ukrainian attack.

1) Why weren’t the ground launchers identified and destroyed?
2) What to do about US/UK/NATO intelligence and targeting assistance? Do the drones and satellites eventually become legitimate targets?

Russian forces will adapt but these are setbacks.

Posted by: Joe | Apr 14 2022 15:16 utc | 9

The USA is giving the Ukrainian forces intelligence on how to attack Crimea, as it sees it as a legitimate target.

"As the US ramped up its involvement in the Ukrainian crisis by supplying heavier weapons to Kiev, it also decided to provide intelligence reports that the Ukrainian forces would need to attack targets in Crimea, US media reported on Wednesday. Russia considers the peninsula part of its territory."

The US has said it won't give real time intelligence to target Russian targets in Russia, however;

"Russia has claimed that two Ukrainian helicopters were responsible for an attack on the border village of Klimovo in Bryansk Region on Thursday, which left seven people injured. The incident had earlier been attributed to the Ukrainian military by the region’s governor.

An update on the attack was given by Russia’s Investigative Committee, which said it was treating the incident as a criminal conspiracy. Its statement said two Ukrainian military attack helicopters crossed into Russian airspace at around midday local time, flying at a low altitude.

The aircraft fired heavy weapons at the village, delivering at least six strikes on residential buildings, the statement said. Seven people were injured and six houses were damaged in the attack, the investigators said."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 15:16 utc | 10

The War Party believes its own lies, eg that Putin wants to a conquer and annex Banderastan as a prelude to a new improved Soviet Union, etcetera ad nauseam.

Since their diagnosis is wildly incorrect they are unlikely to formulate effective countermeasures. In the end they will fall back on that tired old standby, "shock and awe".

Posted by: kral | Apr 14 2022 15:19 utc | 11

Sadly for the Ukronazis and their allies, the Moskva incident PR is about to change from "wow, the Ukies sank the biggest Russian warship in the Black Sea with the wunderwaffen Neptun", to "the Moskva was badly damaged by the wunderwaffen Neptun and all crew had to abandon ship", to "the Neptun left the Moskva a floating hulk", to "never mind".

It now appears that the Moskva is headed into Sevastopol under its own power.

So, the real narrative is now - "wow, those Russian ships are tough as nails" of course that won't ever show up in the MSM

What remains to be seen is how many casualties there were with the fire. For a while it sounded like the Russian Navy had let the fire get out of control, now it sounds like they were successful in containing it...

Posted by: Simplicius | Apr 14 2022 15:25 utc | 12

The Empire of Lies and Hate begins to work together and spin more lies as Canada's PM says Russia has committed genocide in Ukraine as does both of the French presidential candidates, Biden has already said it, the UK PM said its not far off genocide and Zelensky has also been parroting the false genocide trope.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 15:25 utc | 13

Wow, just posted. Mil. cor. Sladkov is hinting about the capture of gen. Cloutier. Could be true after all!

Posted by: Boo | Apr 14 2022 15:29 utc | 14

This report may have been referenced before. But it was re-published yesterday. Like all internet articles, trust but verify. Hopefully soon. But it took Afghanistan war twenty years to lose, so this Ukraine war is way too early to reach any judgement.
13 April 2022 by Larry Johnson

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Apr 14 2022 15:29 utc | 15

This I'd imagine will only strengthen China's resolve in supporting Russia and the end of Western hegemony.

"A group of six US lawmakers arrived in Taiwan on Thursday on an unannounced two-day visit, amid growing tensions between Beijing and Washington. The visit has been confirmed by the American Institute in Taiwan, which serves as a de-facto embassy of the United States in Taipei."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 15:30 utc | 16

I hope the Russians achieve a military victory in the Donbass in the next few weeks that brings the bulk of fighting to a close. With Ukrainian forces largely defeated there, perhaps Zelensky will concede defeat and agree to reasonable settlement terms. I fully expect the country to be carved up with the bit that is left agreeing not to join NATO.

My fear is that this is too high stakes of a game and that if Russia is successful in the east, the US/West will engineer an excuse to become involved, most likely through a false flag if some kind.

What do others think of the likelihood of these scenarios?

What is the likelihood that fighting drags on past 6 months into years?

Posted by: Joe | Apr 14 2022 15:31 utc | 17

Durex announces that its pulling out (pardon the pun) of Russia, I fully expect a baby boom in Russia over the coming years.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 15:36 utc | 18

Preliminary casualty figures on the Moscow are 3 KIA 30 MIA.

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 14 2022 15:36 utc | 19

One thing's certain: The entire Moskva event pushed what ought to have been headline news elsewhere:

"What's happening today? Today, the system of the unipolar world that developed after the collapse of the Soviet Union is being destroyed, that's what is most important. The main thing is not even the tragic events taking place in the Donbas and Ukraine, because this is not the main thing. Much is said that the United States is "ready to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian." And they say, and we say, in fact, this is how it is. That is the quintessence of the events taking place." [My Emphasis]

Putin said that at Vostochny Cosmodrome during a presser with Lukashenko--words that followed closely on the heel of Lavrov's in his interview with Rossiya-24 on the 11th.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 14 2022 15:38 utc | 20

The Brutish mercenary "cossackgundi" has appeared after capture on camera and claims he never did any fighting :D

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 14 2022 15:40 utc | 21

The Nazi's may have been using chemical weapons on its civilian population.

"Ukraine purchased over 50 drones that can be used to spray toxic chemicals, Chief of Russia’s Radiation, Chemical and Biological Protection Troops Igor Kirillov said on Thursday.

"According to available data, in January 2022, Ukraine purchased through intermediary companies over 50 such craft that can be employed for using biological substances and toxic chemicals," he said.

On March 9, Russian reconnaissance units found three such drones furnished with 30-liter capacities and spraying equipment in the Kherson Region, Kirillov said.

The Russian Defense Ministry will keep analyzing documental proofs of crimes by the US administration and the Kiev regime on Ukrainian territory."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 15:41 utc | 22

@17 Joe

I said this before but was dismissed out of hand, but the American Empire will *never* let the Ukranazi coup regime surrender until it has wrung every drop of advantage from it that it can; I fully expect a nuclear strike on Kiev (no matter what karloff says) in order to blame Russia and explain away the final Ukranazi defeat.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 14 2022 15:42 utc | 23

Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 15:12 utc | 8

Though I realize this is a tit-for-tat game of diplomacy via accusation, I am a little surprised that Modi, a fervent Hindu Nationalist, would come to the defense of any Sikhs living abroad or elsewhere. Could you enlighten me on what I may be missing? It is an honest, innocent request; I thought I understood at least a little bit more than most in the US of Sikh religion and culture, but maybe I don't. Other than the fact that Sikhs arose in India (Punjab state?) I thought they more or less stood apart from that Hinduism.

Posted by: vinnieoh | Apr 14 2022 15:48 utc | 24

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 14 2022 15:40 utc | 21

So typical from his country: all talk, little substance, no/nada/zilch/non moral.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Apr 14 2022 15:53 utc | 25

@5 Boo ...

This person is rambling.

None of these capabilities are new to NATO, RF, China, or Iran for that matter. It is part of the balance. All ships are sitting ducks for long range strikes, that's just the way it goes. Precisely the reason for the shift in size to frigates and corvettes.

The Moskva has reportedly now returned to Sevastopol, even under her own power, if the US DoD spokesperson is to be believed. Many of the extrapolations last night are already forgotten.

The one thing worth considering is the question of what happens when missiles with 300km+ range are common. In this case it may be accelerated by NATO filling in the missing pieces for their ultra-nationalist protégés. What the latter, who are so fond of terrorizing civilians, will do with these long range tools when ship targets withdraw from their reach? It's not hard to predict. But that's an aside. What happens next time NATO wants to fight someone? Argentina vs Maldivas, or Yemen vs Riyhad, or maybe some Libyans or Tunisians in a future conflict decide to cut off shipping in the Mediterranean, will anyone have sympathy? Oh well. When in doubt, escalate.

Posted by: ptb | Apr 14 2022 15:56 utc | 26

Posted by: Simplicius | Apr 14 2022 15:25 utc | 12

Well, at the end it doesn't matter what is the PR narrative for both sides. However, the Russians themselves admit that the ship will be out of action for the duration of the conflict and there is no spare port in Black see at the moment to even start to fix the ship.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 14 2022 15:59 utc | 27

Posted by: vinnieoh | Apr 14 2022 15:48 utc | 24

well apart from the diplomatic game they are probably being attacked because they are perceived to be from India, not because they are Sikhs per se. Happened in Texas during the second Iraq War when people perceived as being Muslim were attacked, including several Sikhs.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 14 2022 16:01 utc | 28

vinnieoh (24)

Off the top of my head Modi, I think bowed a bit to the Sikh farmers demands, possibly due to the recent elections in Punjab and surrounding provinces. However there is still much bad feeling between some Sikh's and Hindu's currently there is a vote for Sikhs around the globe and in India to decide if they want to hold an independence referendum, the date was sometime in October which coincided with some sort of Hindu attack on the Sikhs and their sacred temple. I'm not sure if the Sikh's want an independent country called Khalistan, or whether they threatened to hold a formal independence referendum to force Modi's hand on better conditions for Sikh's in India.

That's all I know on that matter.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 16:04 utc | 29

Joe @ 17 asked; "What is the likelihood that fighting drags on past 6 months into years?"

If the U$A/NATO have their way, IMO, highly likely. The U$A/NATO, are one in the same, and they'll oppose Russia to the last Ukrainian.

War is more profitable than peace, and corporate America fears business competition with Russia.

If Finland/Sweden opt to join NATO, expect more pushback from Russia. No nation/person likes to be surrounded by belligerents..

Posted by: vetinLA | Apr 14 2022 16:05 utc | 30

Escalations ahead are baked into this war (or Special Military Operation) because leaders of some NATO countries have explicitly stated their bottom line - expressed bluntly as "Russia must lose" or "Putin must be seen as failing" (the operative word here is "must").

The next visible step up the ladder will be a direct shoot-down of NATO plane/satellite or missile strike on NATO targeting facility in the region, in response to a (much less visible) step over redlines in assistance to UKR forces. The pressure on NATO at that point to go in big will be overwhelming.

Posted by: jayc | Apr 14 2022 16:06 utc | 31

interview by Aaron Mate of a professor in Pakistan on the pushback against the regime change operation in Pakistan.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 14 2022 16:07 utc | 32

pretzelattack | Apr 14 2022 16:01 utc | 28

Of course, I understand that... Many USAans no doubt can't distinguish Sikhs from Muslims, which is funny since it is only Sikhs that have the fortitude to wear their traditional turban in public in the US.

To re-phrase my question: what is the nature of the relationship between Sikhs and traditional (official) Hindu India?

Posted by: vinnieoh | Apr 14 2022 16:09 utc | 33

Posted by: ptb | Apr 14 2022 15:56 utc | 26

I kindly disagree with the description of "rambling". Could be the uneven translation, but when I read it in Russian it made and linked a lot of disparate points well, and the background on the UAVs and recon. flights given by atomic cherry is interesting. It's another person's opinion that is different than the rah-rah I hear from Martyanov (pretty constantly) and Saker (sometimes).

Posted by: Boo | Apr 14 2022 16:12 utc | 34

As for how long the conflict continues - I think this question is unanswerable, whether talking about the Ukraine or the larger picture. Too many unknowns. Major kinetic action probably at least months, especially if Karkiv, Odessa, and other cities are to be taken. The wider clash more likely years.

Will the Ukrainian population's support for conflict diminish? Perhaps if their troops continue to surrender and tell their stories support will begin to waver. Without popular support a transition to guerilla tactics would occur rapidly I think.

I don't think Russia can afford to take territory and not retain it, at least until new governing structures are firmly in place. Otherwise retaliatory killings etc will sew distrust of Russian intent.

The outcome of the purported coming offensive in the east will likely determine the near term course of the conflict, its speed and effectiveness in pacifying the region.

A wild card is whether the UAF can manage to make effective counters elsewhere, perhaps with the promised aid from abroad. Will Russia be able to effectively interdict that aid?

Perhaps another is what comes out of the deeps of Mariupol.

Jury still seems out on what happened to Moskva and whether it proves salvageable. Repairs likely on the order of months I would think. Seems that securing the entire Black Sea coast would become a higher priority at this point, but not an easy task. Odessa has had a long time to prepare.

Weather forecast - foggy with a chance of thunderstorms...

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 14 2022 16:13 utc | 35

Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 16:04 utc | 29

Thanks for the response, and that is info I didn't know and gives me leads to do some fresh investigation of my own. I am non-religious myself, but am intrigued by Sikh core beliefs and personal standards of behavior and responsibility, as a welcome (small) move away from theism.

Posted by: vinnieoh | Apr 14 2022 16:16 utc | 36

To my eyes nations are not moral. Blood and treasure do not deploy for salvation of fellow human beings. NATO set itself up to provoke Russia. A larger unanswered question is why wait for the most corrupt and shameless seller of State secrets to become Tsar before goading Russia into the hoped for honey trap called Ukraine? Maybe all is not as shamelessly sold to the publics. Aside from the linkage to the WEF inspired 2030 Reset there are mineral resources in the Ukraine (and Serbia-where China has come to help) which surely come into calculations. The Chinese card is a WEF card. One global totalitarian multi-polar order, with the poles agreeing in advance that nation states are not relevant in the improved social order other than as implementers of what the Center determines.

Posted by: Stegiel | Apr 14 2022 16:17 utc | 37

The failure to seal off the Donbass cauldron which
was obviously a key strategic aim for Russia

a) Shows that some of the commentary (Martyanov) about
the amazing effectiveness of the Russian forces was nonsense

b) Suggests that the war will be a long one

c) There's plenty of chances for escalation. I am scared (I bought Iodine pills last week)

Posted by: Nick | Apr 14 2022 16:17 utc | 38

@ vinnieoh | Apr 14 2022 16:09 utc | 33... sikhs and hindus - 2 different religions... but i suspect modi will try to cater to them all given he is the leader of india... the sikhs are primarily centered in northwest india - in the punjab area... its a good question you ask... i suspect we need a person very knowledgeable on india to answer it properly..

speaking of that - indian punchline article from yesterday which might help answer both @ Exile | Apr 14 2022 14:47 utc | 1 and @ Joe | Apr 14 2022 15:31 utc | 17

Russia’s Ukraine operation has no deadline

Posted by: james | Apr 14 2022 16:19 utc | 39

@23 Biswapriya Purkayast

I think that's been digested. This can go on for the rest of the decade, potentially. Good time to buy Lockheed stock (if you don't believe in heaven and hell). Bad time to live in Europe.

Posted by: ptb | Apr 14 2022 16:20 utc | 40

Posted by: Stegiel | Apr 14 2022 16:17 utc | 37

but what we have here is a major disagreement between the poles because one of the poles thinks it is the only pole. not a plot cooked up in Davos. the most corrupt and shameless seller of state assets was Yeltsin, but he's long gone and not "Tsar".

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 14 2022 16:21 utc | 41

james | Apr 14 2022 16:19 utc | 39

Thanks for the reply. Think I will follow some of the leads suggested by RoS and see what I can learn.

Posted by: vinnieoh | Apr 14 2022 16:30 utc | 42

Russia is probably benefiting from improved intelligence, drones etc., but otherwise apparently Russia is forced seems forced into a conventional military approach in its special operation, for example maybe no EW. An article published the day before the invasion addresses Russia electronic warfare.

. . .The coming decade promises to be challenging for Russia in terms of electronic warfare. Moscow will need to fix its previous EW efforts, pay more attention to the overall quality of electronic warfare rather than on the quantity of deployed EW systems, and bridge the evident gaps in EW on tactical, theater, and strategic levels. . here.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 14 2022 16:39 utc | 43

@32 pretzelattack

re: Aaron Mate interview with Prof. Junaid Ahmad on Pakistan

Thanks for that link! Recommended

Posted by: ptb | Apr 14 2022 16:41 utc | 44

Unfortunately, a bit of a downer on Moskva (sorry, james, it's what it is at the moment),

[Forwarded from Explains Readovka]
The situation with the cruiser "Moscow" - what is happening with the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet

The funeral of "Moscow", launched by ukrok channels and continued by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation with a night statement, is still somewhat premature. According to the available information received from our own sources, the situation at the moment is as follows:

1) The ship has retained buoyancy, but has significant damage;
2) The information of the CIA director about the return of "Moscow" to Sevastopol does not correspond to reality;
3) Almost all personnel from the cruiser were evacuated and remained alive;
4) The main ammunition of the ship, the powerful P-1000 Vulcan cruise missiles did not detonate (otherwise, nothing would have remained of the ship);
5) The struggle for the survivability of the ship continues, towing to Sevastopol (or to another fleet base) has not yet begun.

We continue to monitor the situation.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 14 2022 16:44 utc | 45

The raise of Sikhism.(non-political)
The Sikhism rose as the sword arm of Hindus due to persecution of Hindus by Mughals particularly Aurangzeb. It was customary to give eldest son to Sikh faith amongst north indian Hindus at that time. Till Golden Temple was raided Sikhs and Hindus were regarded as brothers. Even today there is no bad blood between them except for political advantage.

Posted by: R M Rao | Apr 14 2022 16:46 utc | 46

I saw bits and pieces of Putin's response at the presser dealing with the SMO's progress and "logic" that IMO is best read in its entirety:

I have a question for the President of Russia. The question will not be short, but the situation is multifactorial. Therefore, the issue will also be multifactorial.

Mr President, you said that you told the President of Belarus about the course of the special operation. Could you tell us now what you think about the progress of the special operation right now?

In this regard, another question: what do you think about the course of the negotiations that are taking place between the Russian and Ukrainian delegations? Also in this regard, because everything is in connection with this: the story of Bucha, with Kramatorsk – it is obvious that most of the world refuses to accept the logic of Russian explanations of what is happening there. Tell me, please, what is your logic here?

Yesterday, the Chancellor of Austria said that you live in the logic of military operations, in the logic of war. And then it's not up to negotiations. Tell me, please, what is your logic?

Vladimir Putin: The course of the special military operation is proceeding according to plan. Of course, I look closely at the discussions that are taking place in our society, abroad, we should not close anything from the public, not hide anything, but we should cover this combat work objectively.

First of all, answering your question, I would like to express my gratitude to Russian soldiers and officers, soldiers of Russia for the heroism and courage they show in serving our Fatherland. And that's exactly what it is. Performing complex and dangerous tasks in the Donbas and Ukraine, our servicemen protect the interests of Russia, protect Russia.

The President of Belarus did not just say and I said even before the start of the operation that a clash with those forces that were brought up, nurtured by the West in Ukraine, a clash with extreme nationalists and neo-Nazis in Ukraine is inevitable, it is only a matter of time. They are preparing and waiting in the wings, and we, as I said at the time, will not allow them to do so. This is the logic of our actions.

What is happening in Ukraine – and Ukrainians, even in today's tragic conditions, I want to say that this is a fraternal people. First, it arose in the XIX century, Ukrainian nationalism. As we know, it was supported on the eve of the First World War primarily by the Austrian General Staff. Why? Divide and conquer is a well-known logic. To divide the Russian people, and then to eat them up piece by piece.

The same thing happened during World War II. As we know, both the Polish pogroms and the Jewish pogroms – the perpetrators of these pogroms were not the Germans themselves, but the SS Galicia Division, the Banderites and so on – all this pro-fascist bastard. They destroyed the civilian population: the Russians were massacred, the Jews, and the Poles.

Everybody knows that. And now we see on the frames of ukrainian newsreels, when in the combat zone in the Donbass there are people with SS patches "Galicia". This shows that we did the right thing in time and correctly, starting this operation, otherwise there would have been even more of them.

As for the very course of the operation, and I often hear questions about whether it is possible to quickly. It is possible, it depends on the intensity of hostilities, and the intensity of hostilities, unfortunately, is somehow connected with losses. Our task is to achieve all the set goals, minimizing these losses. And we will act rhythmically, calmly, according to the plan that was originally proposed by the General Staff. I've said this many times before. Now there is no need to repeat all this during the press conference.

Actions in certain regions of Ukraine were connected only with the sake of shackling forces, striking and destroying the military infrastructure, creating conditions for more active actions in the territory of Donbass. And the purpose of our entire operation, I want to recall what I said in the early morning of February 24, our goal is to help people living in donbass who feel their inseparable connection with Russia and who have been subjected to genocide for eight years. The only question is how...

Alexander Lukashenko: Today is the occupation by Ukraine, you said.

Vladimir Putin: Yes, and the occupation by Ukraine. After the recognition of their independence, this is true. That's the way things are. The operation is going according to plan.

Now as for our logic. The logic is simple. After all, both in the period of preparation for the First World War and during the Great Patriotic War, a certain part of the Ukrainian people and Ukrainian society, especially those associated with Western ideology, were used against Russia. And today, in our days, they are also trying to use.

Those people who stand in military uniforms with SS "Galicia" patches are just scumbags. But there are others who sympathize with them, do not consider themselves Nazis, but consider themselves nationalists. But they must also understand that the main goal is not to help Ukraine from the West. Ukraine is a means to achieve goals that have nothing to do with the interests of the Ukrainian people. This is the problem and this is our logic of actions in Donbass and Ukraine as a whole.

As for Buchi... Well, look, I've talked to my colleagues from Western countries often, to this day, and when they say "Bucha" to me, I ask: Have you ever been to Raqqa? Have you seen how this Syrian city was completely destroyed from above by American aircraft?

There, indeed, corpses in the ruins lay and decompose for months. No one cared, no one even noticed, just as no one remembers the hundreds of civilians killed in Afghanistan, when a hundred or more hundred people at weddings were killed in one blow. Silence! There was no such silence when provocations were staged in Syria, when the use of chemical weapons by the Assad government was depicted. Then it turned out that it was a fake, the same fake in Bucha.

Alexander Grigoryevich gave me documents today, and he mentioned in passing the documents that were transferred to the Federal Security Service of Russia, how, who – colleagues have the appropriate interceptions – what transport he used to come to this settlement and created conditions for organizing this provocation and fake.

Now as for the negotiations. Look, we have reached a certain level of agreements in Istanbul, which consisted in the fact that security guarantees for Ukraine, and the Ukrainian side pronounces very strict security guarantees for itself, will not apply to the territory of Crimea, Sevastopol and Donbass.

Then, as you have seen, our actions to create conditions for the continuation of the contractual process followed. Instead, we saw, faced a provocation in Bucha, and, most importantly, the Ukrainian side withdrew from its agreements in Istanbul. Now security requirements are one thing, and the issues of regulating relations over Crimea, Sevastopol and Donbass are taken out of the framework of these agreements. That is, we have returned to a deadlock for ourselves and for all of us.

True, I was told that last night the Ukrainian side changed something again. I don't know these changes yet. But such inconsistency on fundamental issues creates certain difficulties for reaching final agreements acceptable to all on the negotiating track. And until this happens, the military operation will continue until its complete completion and the solution of the tasks that were set at the beginning of this operation.

As for the united West, you know, this has long been noticeable. I think that the media also see this very well. It's just indecent to talk about it.

Such consolidation, what is it connected with? With Europe's hurtful, humiliating position towards its sovereign, the United States. After all, remember, once about one, I will not name names now, of the former prime ministers of Great Britain, his own press wrote and called him "the poodle of the President of the United States." Isn't that a shame?

But almost all the leaders of European states are in the same offensive position in the fact of life, but they cannot say about it. It's unpleasant to talk about it, it's embarrassing. And here is Russia's aggression, a single common enemy. It is very convenient to unite here and serve the interests of the United States. And they have always been serviced, but now it is possible to do this with an open visor, making decisions that benefit the United States, including in the economic sphere, but explaining this by the need to repel the aggressor. That's what I think is really happening right now.

But the public of these countries was particularly confronted with the problems that are created in the course of pursuing such a political line. Yes, such a general mood, anti-Russian hysteria makes itself felt, but time will put everything in its place, I assure you. When people are faced with rising prices for gasoline, for food, with an unprecedented increase in inflation, this will affect internal political processes.

They really wanted everything that is happening to affect the internal political processes in the Russian Federation. They always calculate, not realizing that in difficult conditions the Russian people, the Russian people always unite. They'll see it, and they're going to have problems. They want to create these problems for us, and they do. Yes, it will not be easy in some industries, but we will cope with these difficulties.

Hopefully, barflies will read what Putin says about his "logic" and not scroll past. Russia will stay its course and the SMO will eventually conclude while the deNazification procedure will last generations. Of course, there's still the unacceptable issue of NATO on Russia's borders that will possibly need another SMO to rectify. Medvedev voiced some very strong words to Sweden and Finland regarding NATO that will likely be posted to the open thread.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 14 2022 16:49 utc | 47

Russian Ministry of Defense on USA/Ukraine bio-weapons programme:

(links are complementing one another, not repeating. IOW, it is better to read/download all of them, not any random one from a group)

Names of the officials who were involved in the military-biological programmes

▫️The post of STCU executive director is held by Bjelajac Curtis Michael, a US citizen.

▫️Born August 27, 1968 in Huntington Beach, California, he studied at California's Anderson University of Management. He holds a master's degree in international finance and has worked in Ukraine since 1994....


During the special operation in Ukraine, it was established that US scientists from a laboratory in Merefa (Kharkov Region) were testing potentially dangerous biological drugs on patients of the regional clinical psychiatric hospital No 3 in Kharkov between 2019 and 2021.

Persons with mental disorders were selected for the experiments on the basis of their age, nationality and immune status. Special forms were used to record the results of 24-hour patient monitoring. The information was not entered into the hospital database and the staff of the medical institution signed a non-disclosure agreement.


STCU is headquartered in Kiev and has regional offices in Baku, Chisinau and Tbilisi, as well as in Kharkov and Lvov.

However, the Russian Ministry of Defence's Chemical and Biological Threat Expertise Centre found that the STCU's main activity is to act as a distribution centre for grants for research of interest to the Pentagon, including biological weapons research.

In recent years alone, Washington has spent more than $350 million on STCU projects.

The U.S. customers and sponsors of STCU are the Department of State and the Department of Defense. Funding is also provided through the Environmental Protection Agency, the US Departments of Agriculture, Health and Energy.


Briefing on analysis of documents related to US military and biological activities in Ukraine


Posted by: Arioch | Apr 14 2022 16:49 utc | 48

So the U.S. is sending a lot of heavy equipment to Ukraine to arrive very soon. So obviously these will be shipped and they will probably arrive at a USNATO port closest to Southern Ukraine and Odessa. They'll be unloaded and I imagine they'll be transferred to a combination of land and sea transport destined for Odessa. So how difficult is it to track American ships that cross the Bosphorous and unload in Romania and Odessa when the U.S. is sending a bunch of tanks and armored vehicles and 11 helicopters aside from missile systems and other smaller hardware?

Also, how are they going to get 11 helicopters into Ukraine?

Posted by: Circe | Apr 14 2022 16:50 utc | 49

Shelling of Belgorod region continues. That is Belgorod, Russian Federation.

This is no mistake and no rogue unit. Targeting is done at the Pentagon. They are simply desperate for a wider war.

We keep reading how the Ukraine military is fractured, shattered, has no comms, is small units fighting with no direction or coherence. Yet somehow they get intelligence from US. Targeting from US. This is not coordinated with walkie-talkies or tin cans and strings. Supposedly Russia has the greatest EW capabilities ever. Not making sense from here.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 14 2022 16:52 utc | 50

Russian Ministry of Defense on USA/Ukraine bio-weapons programme:

(links are complementing one another, not repeating. IOW, it is better to read/download all of them, not any random one from a group)

Names of the officials who were involved in the military-biological programmes

▫️The post of STCU executive director is held by Bjelajac Curtis Michael, a US citizen.

▫️Born August 27, 1968 in Huntington Beach, California, he studied at California's Anderson University of Management. He holds a master's degree in international finance and has worked in Ukraine since 1994....

  1. t .me/mod_russia_en/876
  2. t .me/mod_russia_en/877
  3. telegra .ph/Briefing-on-the-results-of-the-analysis-of-documents-related-to-the-military-biological-activities-of-the-United-States-on-the-t-04-14
  4. disk .yandex .ru/d/GWeH18ux9aL17g

During the special operation in Ukraine, it was established that US scientists from a laboratory in Merefa (Kharkov Region) were testing potentially dangerous biological drugs on patients of the regional clinical psychiatric hospital No 3 in Kharkov between 2019 and 2021.

Persons with mental disorders were selected for the experiments on the basis of their age, nationality and immune status. Special forms were used to record the results of 24-hour patient monitoring. The information was not entered into the hospital database and the staff of the medical institution signed a non-disclosure agreement.

  1. t .me/mod_russia_en/878
  2. telegra .ph/Briefing-on-the-results-of-the-analysis-of-documents-related-to-the-military-biological-activities-of-the-United-States-on-the-t-04-14
  3. disk .yandex .ru/d/GWeH18ux9aL17g

STCU is headquartered in Kiev and has regional offices in Baku, Chisinau and Tbilisi, as well as in Kharkov and Lvov.

However, the Russian Ministry of Defence's Chemical and Biological Threat Expertise Centre found that the STCU's main activity is to act as a distribution centre for grants for research of interest to the Pentagon, including biological weapons research.

In recent years alone, Washington has spent more than $350 million on STCU projects.

The U.S. customers and sponsors of STCU are the Department of State and the Department of Defense. Funding is also provided through the Environmental Protection Agency, the US Departments of Agriculture, Health and Energy.

  1. t .me/mod_russia_en/875
  2. telegra .ph/Briefing-on-the-results-of-the-analysis-of-documents-related-to-the-military-biological-activities-of-the-United-States-on-the-t-04-14
  3. disk .yandex .ru/d/GWeH18ux9aL17g

Briefing on analysis of documents related to US military and biological activities in Ukraine

  1. disk .yandex .ru/d/V5nNascdKuuwRQ
  2. telegra .ph/Briefing-on-the-results-of-the-analysis-of-documents-related-to-the-military-biological-activities-of-the-United-States-on-the-t-04-14
  3. disk .yandex .ru/d/GWeH18ux9aL17g

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 14 2022 16:53 utc | 51

Can the Hindu and Sikh posters move to the non-Ukraine thread please and thanks.

Or I will insist on returning Brampton, Ontario to the Anglos ;-)

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 14 2022 16:53 utc | 52

vinnieoh (36)

You're welcome I'm not religious myself, its just info I've read on online newspapers whilst looking at other stories.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 16:55 utc | 53

Biden blaming the US consumers domestic economic woes on Russia for its operation in Ukraine.

"The Biden administration has attempted to blame soaring food and energy prices on Russian President Vladimir Putin and his military operation in Ukraine, telling consumers that “Putin’s price hike” is responsible for their bills. While the CNBC poll found that 55% of respondents believe this line, 49% blame Biden instead, and 69% blame disruptions to global supply chains.

Despite Biden’s attempts to pass responsibility to Putin, inflation in the US has been rising since Biden spent more money in his first eight months in office than former President Donald Trump did in 2018 and 2019 combined, and fuel prices have risen since Biden throttled domestic energy production immediately upon taking office."

Meanwhile bidding ratings fall.

"US President Joe Biden’s approval rating sank to 38% in a CNBC poll released on Thursday, down from 46% in December. Respondents rated Biden poorly on his handling of the economy and the conflict in Ukraine, and rated inflation as their number one concern.

The poll found Biden sitting at 38% approval, and 53% disapproval."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 17:01 utc | 54

Since the fifteenth century european navies have dominated international trade, largely through combinations of piracy and gunboat diplomacy (which is what Washington inherited from the UK.)
Sea power was, as Captain Mahan explained the basis of imperialism.

For the past several years it has become increasingly clear that all large naval vessels are now highly vulnerable to land, air and sea launched missile platforms. That is why, I suspect, the Russians did not spend money refitting their old Cruiser, Moskva and are not building any new ones.

If the Royal Navy sees this as a victory, Nelson would have had more sense. It is a demonstration of the redundancy of surface fleets. This is terrible news for the old maritime Empire and confirmation of the challenge from Eurasia.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 14 2022 17:11 utc | 55

EU natgas daily check

upcoming season (representative ICE TTF DEC'22 contract):
€89/MWh .... -14% for the day ; a meaningful move

following season (represenatative ICE TTF Q4'23 contract):
€73/MWh .... -5% for the day

Posted by: ptb | Apr 14 2022 17:15 utc | 56

The US wants the (ICC) to investigate alleged Russian war crimes in Ukraine the (ICC) is a court the US threatened to invade if it didn't cease investigating US war crimes whilst it sanctioned (ICC) individuals, and the US also retains the right to invade the (ICC) to rescue any Americans or allies on trial in the court.

Not only that the US is not a member of the court, and neither is Russia, so we have a non member who threatened to invade the court if it continued to investigate US war crimes, trying to instruct the court to investigate alleged war crimes of another non member, who hasn't threatened the court.

And do you know what, the (ICC) will probably bow to US pressure as it did in the past, I'd say the (ICC) is just another Western tool to be used against Russia.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 17:21 utc | 57

@ vinnieoh | Apr 14 2022 16:09 utc | 33

Modi makes a difference between "Indian" religions and foreign religions. Christianity and Islam are foreign. Sikhism, Jainism and Buddhism are religions derived from Hinduism so he finds them more acceptable.

Posted by: Wim | Apr 14 2022 17:24 utc | 58

US National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan has said that the US will not be returning any Russian assets that the US has seized, Sullivan who was schooled on US released intelligence reports by a US reporter which hit social media not that long ago said, we will use the seized assets in a better way.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 17:26 utc | 59

Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 15:25 utc | 13

more lies as Canada's PM says Russia has committed genocide in Ukraine as does (sic) both of the French presidential candidates

Pas vrai ! Neither Le Pen nor Macron have used the word "genocide" !

Posted by: Sarlat La Canède | Apr 14 2022 17:28 utc | 60

I can no longer see Ukrainian statehood,especially with the developments (Russiaphobia) from the west now in full view.
Russia will now take the whole of Ukraine to ensure a bigger western boarder,which will be heavily armed as Russia fully pivots to the east.
Also,I do not believe the Moscow was hit by Ukraine.
The launch site of any Ukrainian missiles would have ceased to exist within 5-10 mins by another Russian black sea missile vessel.
The Dombass will be a missile artillery turkey shoot of attrition,with constant fresh Russian troop rotation.Russia will use the Dombass to display to the west true Russian military ground power.

Posted by: Kim | Apr 14 2022 17:31 utc | 61

Opport Knocks | Apr 14 2022 16:53 utc | 51

That was my bad. The original post and my reply/question was pertinent. My further replies were out of courtesy, which is necessary to a friendly bar. I knew someone would complain.

Posted by: vinnieoh | Apr 14 2022 17:35 utc | 62

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 17:21 utc | 56

Russia does not recognize the ICC,for very good reasons.
Whatever ICC formulates,Russia will Laugh at.
End of Story.

Posted by: Kim | Apr 14 2022 17:37 utc | 63

Re: Republicofscotland @58,

The fact Sullivan put out that statement makes me think that there is a lot of behind the scenes drama going on with someone in the government (probably in the military) lobbying for the US to deescalate with Russia with some good will gestures and Sullivan is proactively sabotaging the diplomacy by very publicly stating that they will never return those assets and will give those stolen assets away to their friends and lackeys as a reward (I think a smell a new job opportunity for Nancy's son). Looks like more US escalation is in the offing

Posted by: Kadath | Apr 14 2022 17:44 utc | 64

As a direct punishment and slap in the face of the neocohen khazars who are really behind all this ukraine hell, started with nulandman distributing cookies at Maidan in 2014,Russia needs to completely raze to the ground the ancient yiddish city of Odessa, which they had planned to have as the capital of a khazar khanate hived off from Ukraine.

Posted by: Anon | Apr 14 2022 17:45 utc | 65

PM Modi's team is navigating UKR crisis carefully. His administration has many capable members, take Defense Minister Rajnath Singh; he is from the Sikh heritage. Across the western border, in Pakistan, ex.PM Imran Khan is making these two South Asian neighbors play ball -- balancing their historic bond with the Anglo-American enterprise. These two nations have been the backbone of the emergence of Anglo-American order with life and treasures ( see East India Company).

Posted by: SailorsWife | Apr 14 2022 17:46 utc | 66

When will Russia finally exit the WTO? It should switch to bilateral trade agreements.

Russia should also declare that all foreign owned assets in Russia immediately become the property of the RF.

Russia is way too friendly to its enemies. Since Russia is dealing with rogue states, that friendliness will not be rewarded, but exploited.

Posted by: Nico | Apr 14 2022 17:50 utc | 67

@56 Republicofscotland - Re: US vs ICC

But wait, there's more!

This policy is enshrined into US law, conveniently passed right shortly before the Iraq war.

Furthermore, US forced all its allies to sign treaties forbidding them from cooperating with ICC in matters involving US service members! Nice, ain't it?

Posted by: ptb | Apr 14 2022 17:52 utc | 68

picture of passport joseph ward clark - dec 13 1987 birth - washington dc and etc in link -

Special Forces from the Chechen Republic liquidated a representative of the US intelligence agency in the Donbas, - Dudayev

"This is the fate of representatives of the US special services who fell into the hands of fighters from the Chechen Republic, who do not leave a single crime (against the civilian population of the LDNR) unpunished!" - writes the Chechen Minister Akhmed Dudayev.

Posted by: james | Apr 14 2022 18:02 utc | 69

the obvious question, if true - what was he doing their??

Posted by: james | Apr 14 2022 18:03 utc | 70

Kim (61).

Actually the article states that Russia was a member of the (ICC) until 2016.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 18:04 utc | 71

I think Russia is doing a good job at reciprocal retaliation while demonstrating restraint and values to the rest of the World.
This also includes payment of its debts and honoring its contracts.
This of course will change if Russia is Attacked Military by US/Nato.
At the moment Russia views and takes US/Natos efforts in its stride.
And will not hesitate a well placed seat of power strike as a wake the fuk up moment.

Posted by: Kim | Apr 14 2022 18:05 utc | 72

Kadath (62).

The article says that several US Congressmen have already called for the seized assets to be sold. It must be that Sullivan is the messenger that relays this to the public to test the water so to speak.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 18:07 utc | 73

ptb |(66).

Thanks for the link and the extra info I saved the link in the past but deleted it by mistake.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 18:09 utc | 74

Can't they pump water into the underground installations in Mariupol where the Nazis are hiding? Flooding might make sense right next to the sea...

Posted by: Nico | Apr 14 2022 18:12 utc | 75

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 18:04 utc | 69

Like I said,Russia does not and will not recognize or take part in any ICC matters.

Posted by: Kim | Apr 14 2022 18:13 utc | 76

"Or I will insist on returning Brampton, Ontario to the Anglos ;-)
by: Opport Knocks | Apr 14 2022 16:53 utc | 51
I'd be careful with that kind of talk. They could probably buy a manpad for $20K CDN.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Apr 14 2022 18:14 utc | 77

Is this a false flag (b) to suppress rising anti-Covid sentiment in Germany or is it a genuine attack on the German government, you're obviously better placed than I to know a little bit more.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 18:16 utc | 78

Boo@14 - Re: capture of Lt. Gen. Cloutier. I have no guess either way whether he was in Mariupol or got captured - we'll know eventually. NATO and the 'fact checkers' insist he's still at NATO Allied Land Command headquarters in Izmir, Turkey.

Just wanted to point out the significance of his position here in case anyone was unsure: since 2020, he has commanded the NATO organization responsible for overseeing all NATO land operations. There are also air force and navy commands in NATO.

Gen. Cloutier is roughly equivalent to something like NATO's Chief of Staff of the Army. If NATO were to engage in a conflict, Cloutier would be responsible for organizing and coordinating an assembly of army components from various allies into a theater-level command and providing doctrine for their use. In peacetime (for NATO), he's responsible for training exercises and the like ensuring interoperability and coordination among NATO members' land forces.

It's troubling that he was ever in non-NATO Ukraine (July of 2021) by NATO's own admission. If he's there now, his presence will likewise be dismissed as some innocuous meeting with the Ukraine military. Azov will, of course, not be mentioned. I think there's a great possibility that if he was captured, Russia will quietly arrange his return and say nothing. This is consistent with their past behavior.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 14 2022 18:17 utc | 79

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 18:04 utc | 69

Posted by: Kim | Apr 14 2022 18:21 utc | 80

Kim (74).

I don't doubt that, I was merely pointing out that Russia was at one time a member, and by the interpretation of your comment at (61) by me, I wasn't sure whether you knew that or not, so I mentioned it and added the link.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 18:21 utc | 81

A telling remark from Eva Hoegl, the German parliament’s commissioner for the Armed Forces.

"Asked if NATO members should supply Ukraine with modern western heavy equipment instead of Soviet-era military hardware that risks running out of spare parts, Hoegl replied it was not up to Berlin to decide on that."

So its not up to the Germans what they send to Ukraine, a very telling remark that Nato via the USA is in charge.

Hoegl also said that it will be thirteen years until the German armed forces are fully equipped and ready to go.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 18:30 utc | 82

Upon further reflection, I am going to recommend stocking up manpads. There will be a shortage and given the rate of inflation? You can't lose. CaChing!
They are also a big hit at parties and riots. There's no down side I tell you. Stock up.

Posted by: David G Horsman | Apr 14 2022 18:35 utc | 83

I think some of you guys might be overthinking the Modi statement about human rights in the U S of A. IMO, it was merely a tit-for-tat w/r/t the obviously timed assertions from Uncle Scam. Didn't matter if it was Sikhs or Hindus. Although vinnieoh is correct about the attacks on the former in Texas (I was called in as a potential juror for one case back around the 2002/2003 timeframe here), there are numerous other human rights abuses on a daily basis in scAmercia from the horrific conditions in ALL prisons (federal, state and local - and Assange faces the worst of the worst if convicted in a kangaroo court show trial) to the way policing is conducted according to an occupying force mentality (unless you're well off and even better, white and well off).

The USA is hypocrisy personified in all manners inclusive of human rights abuses both at home and abroad.

Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 14 2022 18:41 utc | 84


High time the non-West started to topple that rogue Western system, that is anything but rules-based.
The way the West, especially Europe, thinks and behaves is Kafkaesque.

Russia, China etc. should abandon all corrupt organizations such as that court. Maybe even the current UN, they should found a new one, without privileged security council. All decisions have to be made with at least 90% of votes. It should be located in the center of the world population, for instance Singapore or Hong Kong.

Posted by: Nico | Apr 14 2022 18:44 utc | 85

Posted by: David G Horsman | Apr 14 2022 18:35 utc | 81

Lol,a Manpad for the Mancave !!
I am sure they will be exiting the Ukrainian boarders,by Ambulance and DHL courier as fast as they arrive in country.

Posted by: Kim | Apr 14 2022 18:46 utc | 86


"Ready to go" where and do what? Complete what Hitler started?

Why are there so many women in charge of Germany's military?

Posted by: Nico | Apr 14 2022 18:47 utc | 87

Part 2 (UPA, OUN-B, Bandera ... the "heroes of Ukraine" that Azov and the other Nazi-groups see as role models)

To get an idea what atrocities these dangerous "useful idiots" committed for the Third Reich (Heydrich called the use of Ukrainians to massacre Poles and Jews and even fellow Ukrainians "the self-cleansing of Ukraine") try this:

(the blog is in German but all the references are in English and the pictures speak for themselves...the cruelty is unbelievable ..when I first saw the photographs of the "kinderkränze" I thought "ISIS" is UPA 2.0 only with a fake "Islamic" pseudo-religious veneer..)

Posted by: Apocalypse | Apr 14 2022 18:47 utc | 88

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 14 2022 18:17 utc | 77

Cheers, Paveway. Was hoping for some PR theater from Russia, or in the worst case scenario just keep him incommunicado and dont even admit his capture until the right moment.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 14 2022 18:50 utc | 89

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 14 2022 18:21 utc | 79

Yes I was aware of that.
My comment wasn't an attack on you.
Sorry,was really just stating Russia just see's the ICC as another Western Tool with one eye.

Posted by: Kim | Apr 14 2022 18:55 utc | 90

Re the "Moscow":

Latest info is the Moscow was in a 5-ship formation, and the crew is safely aboard the other ships. Fire is out, not taking on water, proceeding now to Sevastapol on its own power.

Posted by: donten | Apr 14 2022 18:57 utc | 91

Posted by: Nico | Apr 14 2022 18:12 utc | 73

Saw a couple of posts on telegram yesterday saying 10 fire engines were on route to Azov steel plant to do just that,and also mentioned redirecting the Mariupol sewer system for this purpose also.

Posted by: Kim | Apr 14 2022 19:01 utc | 92

Could Cloutier have a double?

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 14 2022 19:02 utc | 93

@ kim... lol.. redirecting the sewage system would be fun!!

larry johnsons latest from yesterday... if you are reading this larry.. thanks for your posts.. i am not signing into word press.. i appreciate your work.. thank you..


Posted by: james | Apr 14 2022 19:03 utc | 94

Summary on "Moskva" situation.

Voenkor Kitten Z
Military expert Boris Rozhin on the situation with the Moskva RK as of the evening of April 14, especially for the Voenkor Kitten Z channel.

1. Despite the nightly reports that the cruiser was fatally damaged and sank, in fact the ship remained afloat, and the crew was evacuated from it. There is no exact data on the losses among the crew members. Turkey denied reports that it allegedly helped with the evacuation of the Moscow crew. According to unconfirmed information, most of the crew has already been delivered to Sevastopol.

2. The causes of the fire and explosion on the ship are still not clear. The main versions circulating in open sources are the Neptune anti-ship missiles, anti-ship missiles of one of the NATO countries delivered to Ukraine, or a drifting mine. The version with one or another anti-ship missile looks more likely. Also, according to a number of versions, the anti-ship missile attack was accompanied by distracting actions of attack UAVs and was controlled by reconnaissance UAVs of NATO countries.

3. The nature of the damage to the cruiser is still unclear. According to the statement of the RF Ministry of Defense, the main caliber of the cruiser survived, which hints that either the artillery ammunition or the anti-aircraft gun detonated, which caused damage to the ship. There is not enough information yet to talk about the cause of the fire and explosion, whatever it was caused by.

4. Nevertheless, both according to the RF Ministry of Defense and the Pentagon, the ship was able to maintain buoyancy, and in the morning it was reported that it was either being towed to Sevastopol, or it was going at low speed to the base where it should stand up for repairs, where a full damage assessment will be carried out. It is worth noting that "Moskva" has not been especially spoiled with upgrades, including the upgrade of the fire extinguishing system.

5. All the photos and videos that came out with allegedly exploding Moscow turned out to be fakes. For the explosion of "Moscow" they tried to give out various episodes from the exercises or fires on civilian ships. Full-fledged photos and videos that would allow us to assess the nature of the explosion and its consequences are not yet available.


Posted by: ka | Apr 14 2022 19:05 utc | 95

Why would the headquarters of U.S. Allied Land Command be in Izmir, Turkey, of all places? Does that reflect the importance of Turkish Army participation in NATO planning?

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 14 2022 19:06 utc | 96

They say that the Russian plans are mysterious, for my part I find the plans of the West incomprehensible.
In my opinion they did not expect this one.

Posted by: Marjorie | Apr 14 2022 19:08 utc | 97

Poland border guards "attacks" Belarus border post with slingshot.
In the short video clip below, one Polish serviceman shoots a slingshot (see around 0:27) and others shine lasers and a stroboscopic lamp, towards the Belarussian position.

Posted by: Sundial | Apr 14 2022 19:12 utc | 98

As I mentioned in an earlier thread, I was stationed in West Berlin with the US Air Force 1970-72. The barracks in Tempelhof Airport in which I was housed had had underground levels that were flooded during the Battle of Berlin in 1945 and which I believe were still flooded when I was in Berlin. Certainly we airmen had no access to those underground levels.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 14 2022 19:13 utc | 99

Posted by: Boo | Apr 14 2022 18:50 utc | 87

Yes,incommunicado at Russia's Guantanamo Bay Detention Camp for a bit of R&R for 19 years,including many dubious court appearances thrown in.

Posted by: Kim | Apr 14 2022 19:19 utc | 100

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