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April 10, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-44

Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …

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Seems RSH has consensus.
In other news, the Venezuelan fire brigade arrived early & all I’m gonna say about that here is: Oh, the cognitive dissonance.
Also: Is Peter Hitchen’s reported “incontestable” it worth his “cold, hard facts”?

Posted by: Laurence | Apr 11 2022 4:31 utc | 201

Biden and his minions had a plan. They were about to launch their military action against the Donbass but the “bear blew first.”
Posted by: Sushi | Apr 11 2022 0:55 utc | 163
Excellent summary and theory thanks. It makes very good sense. Well sleuthed.

Posted by: K | Apr 11 2022 4:33 utc | 202

Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2022 2:59 utc | 188
“It’s just occurred to me that Russia has won the propaganda war.
The campaign to demonise Russians in Europe and the Five Eyes has been so successful that it’s already begun to freeze the “brain drain” of young, talented Russians to Europe and the US.
I’m certain there’ll be an exodus of Russians returning from Europe as conditions become intolerable.
They’ve erected an invisible wall of Russophobia so powerful that it will take decades to tear down.
Just like that, they’ve helped (at least a bit) with Putin’s demographic problem.”

It seems bizarre – one would think if the goal is regime change in Russia then the goal also would be to drive a wedge between the Russian people and Putin. Instead the Western machine is determined to push them together as tightly as possible and is seeking this goal in the most systematic way.
(It’s a lot like how one would think the empire would want to drive a wedge between Russia and China yet instead systematically has driven them together as closely as possible.)
The only way the total demonization of Russians as such makes any sense is if the true primary enemy as envisioned by the imperial elites is the Western people themselves, and if they’re not just the target of the propaganda but the actual war enemy the elites are targeting for destruction in order to prop up their own totalitarian power – full socioeconomic destruction, full political destruction, physical/biological degradation and destruction through every kind of psychological stress and environmental poison culminating in the immune-system-abolishing “Covid” injections.
From this point of view it makes sense to continue mustering the mass insanity, carrying it over from the sublimated war fever of Covidianism to the direct rabid frothing of Russophobic war fever, for which any conceptual separation of the Russian people from Putin is far too subtle but which requires total hatred of the Russians as a whole.
Meanwhile if the Russians themselves remain sane this time around, it will be a great propaganda and demographic triumph for them as they all know they need to go/stay home and stick together against this Antichrist’s onslaught.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 11 2022 4:43 utc | 203

How to access Telegram?
All these links work on a desktop computer with any web browser. The public channels even work in incognito mode without logging in. For private channels you need to log in on your smart phone and sync with your desktop browser with a QR code.
This link will run a Telegram application on a web browser, but you will need to be registered and logged in to view anything useful.
https://web.telegram.org/k/
The web application is useful, as you can use Google Chrome to translate everything.
People are asking for links to the English language Telegram channel of the Russian MoD. Unfortunately the channel is private, so you need to be logged in to Telegram to view it.
This is the latest message from the Russian MoD:
https://t.me/mod_russia_en/803
It will open a single message and suggest launching the Telegram application.
This link will not show anything on the web, but will launch the channel on the Telegram app.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en
Public channels can also be viewed on a web browser by adding a “s” to the URL. For example this link works:
https://t.me/s/intelslava
A similar link for the Russian MoD does not work, as the channel is not public.
Other channels to follow:
https://t.me/s/intelslava
https://t.me/s/donbassinsider
https://t.me/s/patricklancasternewstoday
https://t.me/s/vicktop55
https://t.me/s/ScottRitter
https://t.me/s/sputnik
https://t.me/s/asbmil
https://t.me/s/inessas100
https://t.me/s/realCRP
In Russian:
https://t.me/s/boris_rozhin
https://t.me/s/rybar
https://t.me/s/swodki
https://t.me/s/voenkorKotenok
https://t.me/s/sashakots
https://t.me/s/Murad_Gazdiev
https://t.me/s/anna_news
https://t.me/s/olegtsarov
https://t.me/s/herson_respublika

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 11 2022 4:47 utc | 204

Is it helpful to copy-paste entire MoD briefings when a simple URL would have sufficed?

Yes, it’s helpful and appreciated.

I am sure most of us here have Telegram, and most of those have joined mod_russia_en on it.
Posted by: bjd | Apr 11 2022 0:22 utc | 153

Speak for yourself, not others. I’ve seen MANY commentators here say they are unable to access Telegram.

Posted by: The Owl | Apr 11 2022 4:50 utc | 205

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 11 2022 4:43 utc | 204

It seems bizarre – one would think if the goal is regime change in Russia then the goal also would be to drive a wedge between the Russian people and Putin. Instead the Western machine is determined to push them together as tightly as possible and is seeking this goal in the most systematic way.

What is really bizarre is that the Anglo-American Empire seems to be *all stick* and *no carrot* in their approach to everything.
No subtlety.
All Force.
No requests.
All Commands.
My theory is this: In the West, our leaders are essentially aristocrats, either neo-aristocrats or the descendants of the last century’s. They’re born into a world of peons bred to serve unquestioningly and they’re born to demand and never to say “please”.
Subtlety has been bred out of their nature over generations of privilege.
Perhaps we should be thankful, human nature is to resist frontal aggression, if the Empire were to adopt subtlety as it’s primary approach to influence it would have won decades ago.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2022 4:57 utc | 206

The Russian MoD Telegram channel is private, so web links only work if you are logged in to Telegram. Here are the two latest releases:
20:00 UTC

​​🗓 Top News Today
💥 High-precision sea-based missiles destroyed the headquarters and base of Dnepr nationalist battalion.
❗️ Official Kiev, supported by several countries of the collective West, continues to prepare monstrous and ruthless actions with massacres of civilians to further incriminate the Russian Armed Forces.
◽️ Staged filming of the search and opening of mass graves of civilians allegedly killed by Russian servicemen is planned in Ragovka settlement of Kiev region. In Bilogorovka, Popasnya district, neo-Nazis have mined the chlorine tanks at the water supply plant, which they plan to blow up when the LPR militia formations approach the town.
📹 The Russian Defence Ministry has published footage of a precision strike on AFU military infrastructure from the Black Sea, footage of combat work of army aviation crews and destruction of AFU armoured personnel carriers. The Russian Defence Ministry has published footage of logistics of Airborne Troops in the field.
🚛 Over the past 24 hours, 10 humanitarian actions have been planned and are currently being carried out in Kharkov, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions, in Donetsk and Lugansk people’s republics, during which 492 tons of basic necessities, medicine and food will be distributed. Despite all the difficulties and obstacles imposed by the Ukrainian side, over the past day, without the participation of Kiev, 18,668 people were evacuated from dangerous areas, 2,910 of them children
“>https://t.me/mod_russia_en/803

3:44 UTC

🇷🇺During the special military operation, servicemen of tank company of the Western Military District conducted a manoeuvre battle with the enemy near Topolskoe, Izyum district, Kharkov Region.
▫️During the battle, tank crews used natural shelters and terrain folds after firing at enemy tanks and armored vehicles.
▫️Tank crews were supported by manoeuvring groups of motorised infantry units on IFV-2 infantry fighting vehicles and BTR-82A armoured personnel carriers using hand-held anti-tank grenade launchers and flame throwers.
(video)
“>https://t.me/mod_russia_en/804

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 11 2022 4:58 utc | 207

@ Sushi # 163 who wrote

Fourth, the firing of the French intelligence chief makes little sense unless it is understood as Macron making the belated discovery of what the US, UK and Canada had been up to and his anger that his chief intelligence officer had failed to uncover the plan and / or warn Macron of the NATO partners intent to initiate a conflict.

Is this the same Macron who is the Rothschild banker conduit to Hand, the Invisible?
I call BS on your claim that Macron is not a active puppet of the God of Mammon cult…….”belated discovery….”LOL!

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2022 5:10 utc | 208

“From this point of view it makes sense to continue mustering the mass insanity, carrying it over from the sublimated war fever of Covidianism to the direct rabid frothing of —Flying Dutchman | Apr 11 2022 4:43 utc | 204.
Scarfies. 🍴 “this Antichrist’s onslaught”
Sufficient unto Covidiots is the evil of the Empire. `You stupid fucks.’

Posted by: Laurence | Apr 11 2022 5:10 utc | 209

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 10 2022 16:54 utc | 44
Seriously bro, I live by the Russian River and two towns named Sevastopol in Northern California. Norcal was owned by the Russians for so long. I don’t know why they sold it for pennies to the US but I wish they would pull a Blinken and say we were just kidding.

Posted by: Berndt Braincell | Apr 11 2022 5:21 utc | 210

Sushi @163–
Nice hypothesis!! Problem: Russia announced it would undertake a technical military operation if the answers to its security proposal in December wasn’t satisfactory. So plans for that would have been readied well before the drone delivery. But overall, IMO you’re very close.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 11 2022 5:29 utc | 211

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 11 2022 4:58 utc | 207
“The Russian MoD Telegram channel is private, so web links only work if you are logged in to Telegram.”
Heh, did not even know that. Makes sense, though. Telegram is for Telegram users. Only reason I have it at all is to look at this stuff.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 5:37 utc | 212

psychohistorian | Apr 11 2022 5:10 utc | 208
I suspect the boy child imagined he was destined for great deeds.
https://www.europeandatanewshub.eu/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/macron-merkel.jpg
https://english.republika.mk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/merkel-makron.jpg
https://www.eudebates.tv/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Macron-kisses-Merkel-1200×800.jpg
Lira came up with an apt description for these types. System pig. To me that means locked into the system, believes in the system and feeds from the systems trough.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2022 5:39 utc | 213

Is this the same Macron who is the Rothschild banker conduit to Hand, the Invisible?
I call BS on your claim that Macron is not a active puppet of the God of Mammon cult…….”belated discovery….”LOL!
Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2022 5:10 utc | 208
Although Macron was left out of the submarine deal with Australia and it appears to have taken him completely by surprise, is it possible the golden boy is in the Banksters’ naughty corner for some reason?

Posted by: K | Apr 11 2022 5:43 utc | 214

Seems like Boris Johnson promised Ukraine their coastal defense system. The RGM-84D2 Harpoon Anti Ship Missile with a ground based platform. This would mean that Ukraine would be able to target Russian ships up to 280KM. Puts Russia into a tight spot, where they would need to target it on delivery like they did the S-300 from Serbia right after it was delivered, or knock it out while it’s at sea or in the sky… Stupidity like this has a pretty high chance of Russia targeting it regardless of who is shipping it. With a potential attack on a Nato ally due to their id10cy… Let’s hope it doesn’t pan out, otherwise Russia will get a lot more heavy handed with their attacks as well as the scope of attacks getting significantly larger. Seems like Nato really wanted this war so they could blame Russia for their own actions of destroying their own country just to finish the agenda the WEF started with a great political excuse that is getting plastered everywhere by the MSM.

Posted by: ExCommie | Apr 11 2022 5:46 utc | 215

In response to

Although Macron was left out of the submarine deal with Australia and it appears to have taken him completely by surprise, is it possible the golden boy is in the Banksters’ naughty corner for some reason?
Posted by: K | Apr 11 2022 5:43 utc | 214

This is all above my pay grade but I only know of one global finance cult and if there is international infighting, is there no evidence?
What we are watching roll out seems too scripted to me. I think Macron is playing his Hollywood part, just like Boris and the others…puppets on a stage in front of the “curtain” hiding Hand, the Invisible.
As we all watch the Europe and US versions of the Shock Doctrine strategies unfold.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 11 2022 5:59 utc | 216

Posted by: Sushi | Apr 11 2022 0:55 utc | 163
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 11 2022 5:29 utc | 211
Now that I’m aware of the Ukrainian gas, your hypothesis looks pretty good. Russia has always said this was about “Ukraine neutrality”, but frankly I don’t believe that. There is also the need to counter US weapons in eastern Europe and Ukraine is well positioned to do that. That ties this to the security proposals Russia offered. And if that’s true, then Ukraine isn’t going to become “neutral”. The economic aspect just adds frosting to the security cake. But until Russia actually takes action to prove that, it’s still speculation.
As for when Russia planned this operation, I’m pretty sure they started contingency planning something like it in 2014, have updated the plan every year or so, as all militaries do, and definitely started full operational planning in earnest in spring, 2021, which is probably also when they decided to finish this whole business both of Ukraine and of Europe’s “security architecture” and came up with their treaty proposals.
They knew those proposals wouldn’t go anywhere, but they had to try, as Martyanov says, “The Forms Must Be Obeyed.” Once they were refused, Ukraine was toast. The only question then was timing and in my view, Zelenskyy’s kicking the Bucharest Memorandum to the curb was the last straw. That pretty much alone guaranteed the Russian invasion. “Nazis with nukes” was a non-starter for Russia. The drones weren’t that important, as we’ve seen most of them destroyed (although more are coming in from Turkey.)
And of course, Russia claims they knew when the Ukraine offensive would kick off. I don’t doubt that, but they haven’t proven it yet. As I’ve mentioned, the one document I’ve seen them produce, when translated to English, doesn’t prove their claim. And no one seems to want to translate the document. I’ve asked twice at The Saker where the document is available for anyone to read – but in Ukrainian. So now it’s down the memory hole as far as everyone is concerned.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 5:59 utc | 217

ExCommie | Apr 11 2022 5:46 utc | 215

Puts Russia into a tight spot, where they would need to target it on delivery like they did the S-300 from Serbia right after it was delivered

Slovakia.
I imagine Serbia would prefer to hold on to its anti-air systems for the next time NATO gets a little frisky and feels the need to justify it’s existence.

Posted by: Kukulkan | Apr 11 2022 6:00 utc | 218

Posted by: ExCommie | Apr 11 2022 5:46 utc | 215
“RGM-84D2 Harpoon Anti Ship Missile with a ground based platform.”
Subsonic missiles (.85 Mach). Really big launcher vehicle so an easy target. Will never make it to the battlefield, and probably requires training the Ukies don’t have to use it effectively. Some people think these are the best anti-ship missiles ever, which they’re note. They’re old – since the 1970’s – but have had various versions since and there are some avionics upgrades the US is developing.
Then there’s the question where they’ll be placed, with Russia controlling the entire southern coast of Ukraine on the ground soon. So they’d have to be fired from deeper in Ukraine, which reduces their 280km/173 miles range. Then there’s the problem of “fire 1, get hit five minutes later”, end of launcher.
Like almost everything the West is sending, it’s not going to be a factor.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 6:12 utc | 219

Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 5:59 utc | 217

And of course, Russia claims they knew when the Ukraine offensive would kick off. I don’t doubt that, but they haven’t proven it yet.

As I recall, that claim was made by Denis Pushilin based on the contents of a laptop captured when the Donetsk militia overran a Ukrainian headquarters. I don’t recall the Russians claiming that.
Of course, the concentration of Ukrainian troops near Donetsk and the increased attacks on Donetsk and Luhansk along with the increasingly belligerent noises being made by Zelenskyy certainly suggested the Ukrainians might be planning something.

Posted by: Kukulkan | Apr 11 2022 6:15 utc | 220

Eric Draitser over at Counterpunch thinks we’re all Russian stooges for thinking Butcha was UAF operation:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2022/04/08/bucha-massacre-evidence-and-russias-propaganda/
Exploring the newly emerging evidence of a Russian atrocity in the village of Bucha and debunking the fraudulent narratives of the Kremlin disinformation army on the Left. (Eric Draitser is an independent political analyst and host of CounterPunch Radio.)
Draitser’s argument for why the Butcha massacre was indeed a Russian rests on a number of ‘pillars’:
1) The recorded evidence of communication between Russian forces planning the massacre presented by the German secret service to the German Parliament.
Something something “If you think the intelligence services fakes the evidence you’re a raving lunatic – after all, German Intelligence would never LIE , would they??? Plus, they presented the evidence to the German Parliament, that means they must be telling the truth!”
Of course. German Intelligence are pure as the driven snow, and it’s *impossible* to fake intercepted communications, and nobody would ever lie to the German parliament.
2) It is more reasonable to believe that the Russians, as the invading party, would be responsible for atrocities than to believe the invaded party would be responsible.
Something something “For example, in Iraq it was the Americans who were undeniably responsible for the atrocities, nobody ever blamed the Iraqis for massacres …”
(I seem to remember massacres committed by Iraqi factions against each other for many years after the Americans came in. In fact the mass graves are still being dug up …)
3) The Wagner Group. Draitser says they contain Neo-NAZI elements. He is *certain* there were some neo-Nazis in Butcha during the time of the atrocity, and claims that these suspected neo-nazi elements are likely to have committed the massacre.
Something, something “The Wagner Group are in Mali. Mali is connected to Ukraine [somehow] – because the Mali Junta is Russia-backed. Therefore … Butcha!”
What an interesting development of narrative: Sometimes a neo-Nazi element is significant enough to have an impact (if it’s Russia affiliated) but is irrelevant if it’s Ukraine related …
4) You’re just a Russian apologist/useful idiot if you believe otherwise
Well, can’t argue with that, now can I …
I’m unable to find anything that resembles traditional logic in his schpiel, there’s nothing that represents an unambiguous if-then flow of fact from evidence as far as I can gather.
Interesting name “Draitser”.
Wonder where it comes from?
Maybe one of those ancestry sites can help …
Let’s try: https://forebears.io/surnames/draitser
Well, this is interesting:

Approximately 18 people bear this surname
Most prevalent in: United States
Highest density in: Ukraine

But not surprising, really …

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2022 6:24 utc | 222

Arch Bungle @196
You are right about Russian va Ukrainian Jews in Israel not exactly getting along royally. It does get complicated though – after all some Ukrainian Jews are from Crimea or Mariupol and Odessa areas or are otherwise identified with Russian speaking regions. These have no love lost for the Ukrainians from the galician West (where much of the original Pale of Ukraine was and where some of the worst atrocities in WWII were committed n- many by the bandera affiliated Nazi formations). Mind you, Jewish people pride them selves on long memories. Not many people know that much of the Ukrainian jewry was saved thanks to evacuation to Russian/Soviet areas, with many joining even the Russian partisans to fight against the nazi advance. In israel such stories are often heard from the ones who came from those parts of the world.
Not only that but given that several of the warring oligarchs (war lords for all intents and purposes) have further divided these communities, especially the recent arrivals post 1990. It’s basically a can of worms over there in israel (and also among the ones who came to the US).
“Related to Jewish” means – by marriage or a more distant relationship. It is estimated that more than half of the Ukrainian/Russian immigrants to israel (some of whom consider themselves a ‘diaspora”, and many going back and forth).
There are also huge resentments towards Israel among these immigrants, but that’s another story.
Also you are right that the treatment of Russians abroad has probably done much to stem the brain drain from Russia, with many returning to, basically, full employment opportunities (the professionals especially).

Posted by: Merlin 2 | Apr 11 2022 6:27 utc | 223

Posted by: DakotaRog | Apr 10 2022 16:38 utc | 41
About the murkey origins of DigitalGlobe/Maxar
“…founder was Dr Walter Scott (…)head of the Lawrence Livermore Laboratories “Brilliant Pebbles” and “Brilliant Eyes” projects which were part of the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI)”.
SDI being back then top-secret “Stars Wars” project, a nuclear defense shield program.
Then again, one could counter it’s not strange like some Internet technology came from DARPA programs. Remote sensing always would have been military first kind of projects.

Posted by: John Dowser | Apr 11 2022 6:35 utc | 224

K | Apr 11 2022 5:43 utc | 214
Scratch out golden boy and replace it with toyboy. perhaps a little distanced but not that much different to the male model trump held up by the scruff of the neck and proclaimed to be the president of Venezuela.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 11 2022 6:40 utc | 225

Posted by: JohninMK | Apr 10 2022 21:56 utc | 124

Without any doubt this is the best article on how we got to where we are in Ukraine that I have read.
Written by a retired Swiss Intel Colonel who also worked for NATO and the UN.
It is a long read, 30 minutes+. I would advise everyone to read it and perhaps share it as widely as possible.
“>https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/

Link to this article has been posted numerous times on MoA.
The author claims that “root cause” of the war in Ukraine is Ukraine’s attempt to establish Ukrainian language as the only official language ant that caused uprising in the East of the country and ultimately led to Russian invasion.
I did not read any further after that claim. Text is garbage.

Posted by: Vajezatha | Apr 11 2022 6:46 utc | 226

Sushi @163
FWIW, I also like your theory. It ties a whole bunch of things together. Something caused Putin to give the order when he did and embark on a much wider military scope than many of us anticipated. They must have had some intelligence about something other than a bunch of dug-in Ukie troops around the Donbass LOC. The ill-fated Ze comment about going nuclear makes a nice casus belli but also not quite enough.
As you suggest, the Ukies at the behest of Natostan may have had something more nefarious in mind. Especially as the plans included a march on Crimea.
On another note, I always felt there was more to the story of rejecting the Sputnik V vaccine than just big Pharma suppressing the competition. One interesting tid-bit – I have come across several studies from several countries indicating far far fewer side-effects from the Sputnik as compared with the mRNA vaccines, especially when it comes to myocarditis and other cardiac cmplications in younger people.

Posted by: Merlin 2 | Apr 11 2022 6:49 utc | 227

Posted by: Kukulkan | Apr 11 2022 6:15 utc | 220
“I don’t recall the Russians claiming that.”
The MoD released a document they claim was captured, which is signed by the head of the Ukrainian National Guard, which they allege is a movement order which references a planned “special operation” in the Donbass to begin in March, 2022. This is the document I refer to:
The Russian Ministry of Defenсe: original documents – planned offensive operation against Donbass in March of this year.
I provided a translation in the comments there that someone on the Net did which was badly formatted and maybe missing a page, I can’t tell. One of The Saker’s team promised a better translation, but they never did.
“Of course, the concentration of Ukrainian troops near Donetsk and the increased attacks on Donetsk and Luhansk along with the increasingly belligerent noises being made by Zelenskyy certainly suggested the Ukrainians might be planning something.”
Yes, so I don’t doubt there was one planned. The enhanced shelling began after Zelenskyy returned from the Munich Security Conference, where he kicked the Bucharest Memorandum to the curb, then visited the front line Ukrainian forces. Some LDR people alleged he gave the order for the offensive then.
Would be nice if the Russians get their hands on the actual operational order for an offensive. They’ll probably have to get that from who ever is left after the Donbass reduction operation, assuming any senior commanders remain alive.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 6:49 utc | 228

Paul #221

NZ becomes a belligerent, sigh:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/465078/jacinda-ardern-speaks-after-cabinet-meeting-announces-more-support-for-ukraine

Earth shattering news. Perhaps they will send some sheep in wolves clothing, explosive kiwi fruit, Maori war dancers. Who knows? Still, Ardern is a very obedient POS.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 11 2022 6:49 utc | 229

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2022 6:24 utc | 222
If I can use an Australianism, ‘On ya’, Arch Bungle, well spotted.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 11 2022 6:54 utc | 230

Posted by: Vajezatha | Apr 11 2022 6:46 utc | 226
That is not what he said. What he said was:

In fact, these Republics were not seeking to separate from Ukraine, but to have a status of autonomy, guaranteeing them the use of the Russian language as an official language. For the first legislative act of the new government resulting from the overthrow of President Yanukovych, was the abolition, on February 23, 2014, of the Kivalov-Kolesnichenko law of 2012 that made Russian an official language. A bit like if putschists decided that French and Italian would no longer be official languages in Switzerland.
This decision caused a storm in the Russian-speaking population. The result was a fierce repression against the Russian-speaking regions (Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Lugansk and Donetsk) which was carried out beginning in February 2014 and led to a militarization of the situation and some massacres (in Odessa and Marioupol, for the most notable). At the end of summer 2014, only the self-proclaimed Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk remained.

In short, the issue was autonomy, not just the language restriction. The rest of the piece is very good. Dismissing it as “garbage” is in fact garbage.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 6:57 utc | 231

Posted by: bjd | Apr 11 2022 0:22 utc | 153
Is it helpful to copy-paste entire MoD briefings when a simple URL would have sufficed?
I am sure most of us here have Telegram, and most of those have joined mod_russia_en on it.

Speak for yourself. I can’t seem to get one. Maybe just scroll down a bit?

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 11 2022 7:02 utc | 232

))) #clunk (((
“On another note, I always felt there was more to the story of rejecting the Sputnik V vaccine than just big —Merlin 2 | Apr 11 2022 6:49 utc | 227

Posted by: Laurence | Apr 11 2022 7:04 utc | 233

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 0:39 utc | 156
Please keep posting. Not all have telegram, but every one are able to scroll.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 11 2022 7:05 utc | 234

Posted by: bjd | Apr 11 2022 0:22 utc | 153
At the rate our ‘freedoms’ are eroding here in the West these links will not be available soon. Beat to copy their content far and wide.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2022 7:15 utc | 235

So much for S-300 supplied from Slovakia
MoD Russia
https://t.me/mod_russia_en/807
* On Sunday April 10, high-precision sea-based Kalibr missiles on the southern outskirts of Dnipropetrovsk destroyed equipment from a S-300 anti-aircraft missile division supplied to the Kiev regime by a European country, which was hidden in a hangar. 4 S-300 launchers and up to 25 Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel were hit, too.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2022 7:16 utc | 236

About the cargo-ship –
is it possible the crew wanted to get noticed? That they wanted the Russians to get the cargo?
That the comment “I’m maniac” referred to a discussion the crew were in?

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 11 2022 7:20 utc | 237

Yea NZ. Trying to get their arse handed to them like in Gallipoli.

Posted by: Jezabeel | Apr 11 2022 7:22 utc | 238

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 11 2022 6:49 utc | 229
I know it its not earth shattering.
It is symbolic and systematic of how low NZ has fallen from its previous [semi] ‘independent’ foreign policy position, thanks to Jacinda’s WEF Klaus Schwab sponsored apprenticeship. The results speak for themselves.
A friend of mine is a descendent of THE youngest member of the NZ Mãori Battalion in WW2, [he put his age up]. The Mãori battalion were exceptional and formidable. They were grossly misused by British generals as ‘colonials’. Neither of us want to see a similar repeat and another pointless sacrifice for ’empire’.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 11 2022 7:24 utc | 239

I’ll just add to the near consensus and thank Hack for posting the things he does from Telegram.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 11 2022 7:30 utc | 240

things I learned this weekend–the US had a lot more control in Pakistan than I thought. I didn’t realize they could bring down the government.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 11 2022 7:31 utc | 241

@Sushi | Apr 11 2022 0:55 utc | 163

Biden and his minions had a plan. They were about to launch their military action against the Donbass but the “bear blew first.”

What a demonic plan, I believe you got it right! An impressive chain of logic! The western ‘leaders’ who have been in on this must all be punished to the maximum extent of the law.
Your post deserves elevation to an article for full discussion. I thank you for an exceptional contribution.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2022 7:33 utc | 242

I know it its not earth shattering.
It is symbolic and systematic of how low NZ has fallen from its previous [semi] ‘independent’ foreign policy position, thanks to Jacinda’s WEF Klaus Schwab sponsored apprenticeship. The results speak for themselves.
A friend of mine is a …
🤣` …

Posted by: Laurence | Apr 11 2022 7:36 utc | 243

Posted by: Jezabeel | Apr 11 2022 7:22 utc | 238
“Yea NZ. Trying to get their arse handed to them like in Gallipoli.”
My great uncle was with the mixed Australian and NZ Brigade of the ANZAC Corps at Gallipoli and died at Lone Pine.There is no grave they were buried in a mass grave.
Both my parents served in the armed forces in WW2 my late father saw extensive combats as a country boy and a first class shot. He was a damaged man as a result although he acknowledged, ‘the war is over’ and he harboured no residual hatred to his previous enemies. We have had enough of wars in our family.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 11 2022 7:51 utc | 244

@Sushi | Apr 11 2022 0:55 utc | 163
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2022 7:33 utc | 243
I agree. I wish I’d followed the Hunter Biden thing earlier, I might have tipped to the Ukraine gas business. It’s just like the way the US is pushing North Korea – because there is a trillion dollars worth of minerals in that country. So the US wants to control Ukraine gas, and by the by break up Russia and control their gas (and minerals), too.
You’re right, b should look into this and devote one or more threads to it. The people behind this have to be the people who are behind pretty much everything, and they’re probably bigger than the neocons who are probably just the tools they’re using to pull this economic heist off.
In short, those are the people who seriously need a bullet in the head. If the Russians know who they are, they need to start sending Alpha teams.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 7:54 utc | 245

similar history paul.
grandfather at gallipoli then in France. father in ng.
neither celebrated Anzac day thinking it too pro war.

Posted by: watcher | Apr 11 2022 7:56 utc | 246

Sushi | Apr 11 2022 0:55 utc | 163
PavewayIV | Apr 11 2022 1:49 utc | 178
(Cartch up on posts, monday morning)
Thanks to both of you for added information. Fascinating in a macabre sort of way. It does fit in with the immunity of Hunter Biden as a “front” for the big Oil Majors.(Oligarchs again)
Once the “big money” aspect of the war in Ukraine comes out, we suddenly get a clearer idea of who is doing what, and what is likely to happen next.
ie. The Rouble “ploy” allied to the financialized Yuan etc. against the dollar.
and why Putin said that NATO must go back to it’s earlier status. ie with no money there is none for expansion.
*****
“The Bear blew first”.
Love it.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 11 2022 8:02 utc | 247

In general, I have seen very few comments or articles anywhere that’d detail the enormity of the task Russia faces in rebuilding an entirely new internet architecture, sites and securtity walls. The reason i say that is that a cursory look at the companies that cut ties with Russia is literally a who’s who list of all the dominant players in the technology field, be they software, web or even hardware (what’s the deal with Cisco routers for example). Sure, some can be replaced by Chinese tech fairly quickly but others need to be built up from scratch. To my own mind, I think it’s high time this was done anyways and frankly, I see plenty of opportunity there for enterprising young (and not so young) talent.
Posted by: Merlin 2 | Apr 11 2022 1:40 utc | 175
Does it look like Russia don’t have a grip on their cyber-security? Is that why NATO is left to speculating what Russia is doing, while being plucked of all their military assets? Get real!

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 11 2022 8:16 utc | 248

Posted by: watcher | Apr 11 2022 7:56 utc | 247
I have my late fathers medals but I think it is obscene to wear them on ANZAC day as if they were mine, like some do. My mother didn’t bother to apply for her medals.
Australians do much more marching than NZ’s on ANZAC Day, it’s a subtle cultural difference.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 11 2022 8:21 utc | 249

@Anne B | Apr 11 2022 7:02 utc | 232
I do not mind information being reproduced here from Telegram channels, it is helpful to highlight important information.
However, I would encourage people to install the Telegram application and join some channels. This way you get access to much more. You can use it from any device, I have it Telegram on my mobile phone and on several PCs running Windows and Linux.
Get Telegram via https://telegram.org/
If anyone is wondering, Telegram is open source so anyone can inspect the source code https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2022 8:24 utc | 250

Posted by: Corsair66 | Apr 11 2022 3:30 utc | 194
The world revolves around money. “merikans”, as you so eloquently put it, pass around money more so than any country by a significant magnitude.
I call you ‘muricans, personally – and you just proved Deplorable Commissars point. Probably because you know nothing else. So what do you reap?

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 11 2022 8:44 utc | 251

Some dots with…connection potential:
Mariopol base- biolabs-alleged high profile presence- us biologival experiments on allied soldiers in Ukraine and Georgia’ massive it e/immigration- programmable implantable techs (pit😜)- blackrock neurotech clinical trials- gates- darpa project adapter/ntrain …

Posted by: Nobody | Apr 11 2022 9:02 utc | 252

Anne B @249
My comment was hardly about just “cyber security”. That is actually one area Russia has likely had developed and advanced for quite a while (I have used Kaspersky myself and found it superior to many US products).
What I mean are the smart phone OS’s, computer chips, the Word processors (like yes, Word and Adobe), the web hosting systems for bl0gs (from Worldpress to Typepad, to Google), the web interfaces (for all kind of web site builders), to sh0pping through eg paypal, ebay, AirBnb etc, to social media platforms like Reddit, FB, Twitter,and Zoom and Drpbx and on and on.I even include dmain registration sites and ultimately ICAHN itself (which is where the WWB internet is predicted t break into parts).
I counted over 200 companies involved in technologies of all kinds that have exited Russia, and I don’t mean just software development 9an area that can be replaced within a few years, even if the interfaces are not as professional or user friendly. Take VK for example. or telegram. Somewhat unwieldy I think.
Then there’s the more serious problem, namely the semiconductor chips. For which Russia will have to scramble.
Like it or not, the US has practically cornered the internet world – almost every program or software we use is American. Yes, there are now some good servers located utside the US but frankly I don’t even trust iceland or switzerland now. All can be blackmailed.
New distributed technology is what the world has been waiting for, and I hope Russia will now lead the way, likely with Chinese help in certain areas..

Posted by: Merlin 2 | Apr 11 2022 9:11 utc | 253

If anyone is wondering, Telegram is open source so anyone can inspect the source code https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop
Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2022 8:24 utc | 251
I’ve tried, but I fail to get the registration code on my phone – is it because I don’t have a smart-phone?

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 11 2022 9:14 utc | 254

“Posted by: watcher | Apr 11 2022 7:56 utc | 247
I have my late fathers medals but I think it is obscene to wear them on ANZAC day as if they were mine, like some do. My mother didn’t bother to apply for her medals.”
Disagree. Wearing the medals of a direct ancestor honours them. Just remember to wear the medals on the right breast, as wearing on the left (over the heart) is reserved for those who were awarded the medals.

Posted by: RonP | Apr 11 2022 9:33 utc | 255

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2022 8:24 utc | 251

If anyone is wondering, Telegram is open source so anyone can inspect the source code https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop

This is a sop to the comatose masses. If they were really serious they’d open source the back-end code.
Devious bastards.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2022 9:38 utc | 256

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 0:39 utc | 156
Please keep posting. Not all have telegram, but every one are able to scroll.
Posted by: Anne B | Apr 11 2022 7:05 utc | 234

RSH – What Anne B said! And big thanks.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 11 2022 9:39 utc | 257

Circe 201
Gli ebrei sono una vera iattura, prima se ne vanno meglio sarà per la Russia
Anzi, sarebbe auspicabile che si trasferissero tutti in Israele

Posted by: Alessandro Cagliostr | Apr 11 2022 9:42 utc | 258

🇷🇺Russian special operations unit has liquidated one of the odious leaders of the so-called Right Sector Ukrainian volunteer corps, Taras Bobanich, during reconnaissance and search operation five kilometres south of Izyum city ➡ https://facebook.com/mod.mil.rus/posts/3202775959965138
https://twitter.com/mod_russia/status/1513449777031270405?cxt=HHwWisC-lbej7YAqAAAA
Key take away: The killing of Bobanich transpired a couple of days ago from telegram channels. Russian MoD know verfied that and announced that it happened 5 Km to the south of Izyum. This means that Russian forces have been way deeper toward Slavyansk or Barvenkovo than known before. I think Bobanich was caught off guard from fast advancing Russian forces and killed.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 11 2022 9:47 utc | 259

Dear Mr Putin,
Australia, being pathetic lapdogs to the US, have sent Bushmaster armored vehicles to The Ukraine.
Please ensure that they last only as long as that S-300 system did.
My gratitude and I’d love the video too please.
Thank you.

Posted by: Bearish Panda | Apr 11 2022 9:50 utc | 260

@Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 11 2022 7:31 utc | 241
Never underestimate the power of bribery or maybe even coercion. A few million dollars in an overseas bank account is all many need to sell their countries out. Dont forget that Neocon John Bolton threatening someone at the UN that “they know where your children go to school”.
History has shown for centuries that lucre is a strong driving force for so many in power

Posted by: DaVinci | Apr 11 2022 9:54 utc | 261

Turkish “conspiracy theory:

https://t.me/rybar/31002
[Forwarded from Turkey’s Agenda]
[ Photo ]
Turkish Defense Minister Hulusi Akar said yesterday that the mines in the Black Sea could have been placed intentionally, including in order to put pressure on Ankara to let NATO warships through the straits.
A very interesting statement by Akar. Which he made yesterday in an interview with the leaders of the ruling party. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_D4HpfHkJ5s)

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 9:55 utc | 262

I probably shouldn’t have focused too much on the term “geographically” (in the strict sense)…
Here in the US, saying that Russia’s military operation “strikes at the heart of Europe” is intended to conjure up images
Posted by: Tom_Q_Collins | Apr 10 2022 19:33 utc | 88
Yep, that is one method of propaganda. Like disk jockeys are swapping disks during music party, those word jokeys are switching, meanings.
That is actually the problem i have with “Russian” adjective, which blends 3 different, albeit historycally overlapping meanings.
Many people were arguing you into agreeing with one sense in some situatio ncontext, then demanded you to agree with implications drawn from another sense, because you allegedly already agreed with vague “rusianness”.
Some p

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 11 2022 9:56 utc | 263

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2022 9:38 utc | 258
AFAIK, the metadata in telegram goes through a NATO country (Czech rep.?) since it’s backend is server based; individidual connections are encoded with strong security (assuming Quantum NP == NP ;)).
Signal app, on the other hand is peer-to-peer and is the only messaging app that has its full code on github, again AFAIK. The downside is it’s sponsored by US DoD, but I personally don’t mind using US taxpayers money for personal benefit 😛

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 10:07 utc | 264

Desperate attempts by VSU/AFU to leave Mariupol:
https://t.me/mig41/16341
[Forwarded from Alexander Khodakovsky]
The enemy put our identification marks on the equipment, formed a column and tried to escape from Mariupol at night. In total, about thirty combat vehicles, including self-propelled guns, reached out to meet us, not realizing that since the formation of the column, we had already controlled all its movements from the air. As a result, the equipment is abandoned, the enemy has scattered around, our people are catching them.
They are still struggling, but the situation is becoming more hopeless, and such desperate attempts to escape are clear evidence of that. Apparently, it’s time to throw agitators with the conditions of surrender on the territory controlled by him so far – there is information that many would like to raise their hands, but do not know how.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 10:11 utc | 265

Latest conjectures, not very cheerful 🙁
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/41511

[Forwarded from A spy to whom no one writes]
Barrel’s statement that “This (Ukrainian) war must be won on the battlefield” means the following:
1. Public opinion is preparing for a complete rupture of relations with Russia and the introduction of a trade blockade.
The European countries have finally adopted a course of confrontation. This is emphasized by the “ritual” statements of members of the governments of Germany, France, Italy and Spain.
2. The imitation of peace talks will be curtailed, impossible conditions will be set for Russia, including the surrender of Donbass and Crimea.
3. Confrontation management will be concentrated in Washington, Turkey and other countries will be pushed away from this.
4. Europe and the United States are preparing to transfer heavy weapons systems to Ukraine – primarily air defense, missile systems.
Part of this has already happened, the UK has already handed over a batch of NSM PKR, which pose a serious threat to the ships of the Black Sea Fleet.
I think the MGM-140 ballistic missile systems (USA) will be transferred in the near future.
This was announced separately via CNBS, where it was stated that the imminent transfer of “weapons that will allow Ukraine to strike at Russian military airfields” was announced.
5. The next stage of the escalation of the conflict is being prepared, including strikes on Russian critical infrastructure and large-scale terrorist attacks in Russian cities.
In relation to Russia, the Ukrainian leadership will announce a total war regime, which includes a level of “zero tolerance” to Russian prisoners of war. Simply put, Nazi ideology will become the official course of Kiev.
It is no coincidence that Arestovich recently spoke with such warmth about the methods of ISIS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0urhc8onRQw ).
I think the consequences are clear to everyone.
Now the implementation of this scenario is being stopped by European and world public opinion.
Media operations on Russia’s “war crimes” in the Butch, etc. should change the attitude of European and world society to the Russian Federation, dehumanize and separate Russia from the rest of the “civilized” world.
This will make it possible to justify terrorist attacks and other irreversible strikes by Ukraine against Russia.
Everything is being done to tightly bind both countries – Russia and Ukraine in a mutually destructive conflict for decades to come. @genshab

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 10:14 utc | 266

@ JohninMK | Apr 10 2022 21:56 utc | 124
Thanks for posting that link, it was well worth reading. It was also very clearly written and did not seem to be as long as your estimated 30+ minutes (I didn’t attempt to time it)
Unfortunately it is likely to make little or no impression on most of the people that I know, or more accurately perhaps, people that I used to know. I have become heartily sick of people who will sneer at my proffered sources without making the slightest attempt at verification or sensible rebuttal. It is better to live in isolation than to tolerate people with no respect for my opinion.

Posted by: MarkU | Apr 11 2022 10:14 utc | 267

There was correspondence here a while ago showing that Johnson could not possibly have gone to Kiev in the time slot set out. Today the WSWS has a photograph of Johnson supposed to be in Kiev with the piano player.
“UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson meets Volodymyr Zelensky in Kyiv, Ukraine. 09/04/2022. Picture supplied by the Ukrainian government.”
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/04/11/john-a11.html?pk_campaign=newsletter&pk_kwd=wsws
Look closely at the photo. There is something not quite right about the perspective, isn’t there? He seems to be hovering in mid air. Is he a giant or are the Ukrainians dwarves?
Photoshopped?

Posted by: Walt | Apr 11 2022 10:14 utc | 268

Posted by: MarkU | Apr 11 2022 10:14 utc | 269
Unfortunately it is likely to make little or no impression on most of the people that I know, or more accurately perhaps, people that I used to know.
I know what you mean.

Posted by: Walt | Apr 11 2022 10:21 utc | 269

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 10:07 utc | 266

AFAIK, the metadata in telegram goes through a NATO country (Czech rep.?) since it’s backend is server based;

Signal app, on the other hand is peer-to-peer and is the only messaging app that has its full code on github, again AFAIK.

P2P with strong encryption is the only way to go IMHO – every kind of client-server model where the server is under control of a commercial or centralised entity will be subverted by the state as soon as it appears viable, without a doubt.
Once every laptop, mobile phone, raspberry pie, toaster controller (iot device) is capable of running a node in a global messaging network with zero centralised control or administration communication can truly be free.
The only way to shut such a P2P messaging network down would be by policing every single device in existence with legal terms. At least then everyone would know what game is afoot from the start.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2022 10:25 utc | 270

Posted by: Walt | Apr 11 2022 10:14 utc | 270
I see your point. BJ is not that tall if I remember correctly. Less than 6ft, while he absolutely towers over the other folks there. Maybe they showed him the original pic for approval and he asked them to adjust it to make him bigger

Posted by: DaVinci | Apr 11 2022 10:29 utc | 271

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2022 10:25 utc | 272
Yep, fully agreed. I switched to Signal once the 4 big info golems closed access to Trump (mainly twitter, but the rest follow). It was the last straw, and following Bruce Schneier recs I decided to use Signal for p2p with people I want to discuss sensitive topics (I live in the enemy occipued UK).

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 10:29 utc | 272

About the “pit” biolab in Azovstal, I’ve read about it from so many sources, we’ll see what comes out soon enough.
Posted by: Boo | Apr 10 2022 20:13 utc | 103
We’ll see. There is clearly something fishy there, making EU desperate.
But that specific story raises doubts. As for “many sources” – they seem to be copy-pasting the same text, going rounds.
Usually story is developing, as more news are coming, more details are spied out.
But with PIT-404 it seems to me yet there was one “вброс” (“injection” of feces to a rotating fan) – and because it was petting our ego it was uncritically reposted everywhere. Wishful thinking.

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 11 2022 10:33 utc | 273

Boo | Apr 11 2022 10:14 utc | 267
Perhaps in Joe Biden’s wet dream … doubt Pentagon will cooperate, surely Putin will not.
Josep Borrell is all in …
”This war will be won on the battlefield. Additional €500 million from the #EPF are underway. Weapon deliveries will be tailored to Ukrainian needs.”
Borrell: from controversy to EU’s top diplomat | EU Observer – Sep 23, 2019 |
https://euobserver.com/eu-political/146106
EU Brussels #WeAreNato … What a jacka$$

Posted by: Oui | Apr 11 2022 10:35 utc | 274

Posted by: Oui | Apr 11 2022 10:35 utc | 276
Pentagon is weirdly not consistent in their opinions. They were reluctant to declare the Bucha psy-op the work of the Russians, yet in the case of the Kramatorsk strike concluded that it’s Russia’s fault. New PR strategy staying in sync with state department and MSM as outlined in the Boris Rozhin’s re-post I linked in #268? Demonize Russia so that the terrorist acts planned by the ukies are “acceptable” to the western MSM?

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 10:45 utc | 275

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 10:14 utc | 268

Everything is being done to tightly bind both countries – Russia and Ukraine in a mutually destructive conflict for decades to come. @genshab

This was the plan for the very beginning and I must say no matter how much progress Russia has been making on the battlefield and no matter how much “gas in the tank” it may still have, the fact is that Uncle Sugar has been watching all this from the comfort of his easy chair waiting for the opportune moment.
I’m sure Putin is aware of this but the bottom line is that Putin has been forced to act, to expend resources, take risks while Uncle Sugar still wields the option to act “at a time and place of his choosing”, and that is a significant advantage.
As dangerous as it sounds Putin needs to push the US into some form of action which will force it into committing forces and resources and losing the option of free action vis a vis Ukraine.
This could be one or more of:
1. Stirring the pot in Iraq, e.g a massive (‘ISIS’) strike on US bases/embassies which leaves the US with no option but to either leave Iraq completely or go back in.
2. Starting a conflagration in Syria to drive US forces out
3. Kicking off a firestorm between Lebanon and israel to the extent that the US needs to get involved (Yes, I know it’s a long stretch)
4. Lending significant assistance to the Houthi to the Point that the Haus of Saud is at risk of falling (this might dent relations with the Saud of course, so unlikely … on the other hand, taking out the Saud will do wonders for their oil revenues!)
5. Throwing a match on the Serbia-Kosovo haystack, with the dice heavily waited on the Serbian side.
6. Actively supporting the TeT in Pakistan in a drive to permanently remove American influence.
7. Shutting down the gas,oil,grain flows to the EU and then escalating the conflict which arises out of that to the point that the EU either has to admit defeat or bring in the US as a very active participant in the conflict.
8. Stimulating and accelerating instability between NK and SK to the point the US has to focus it’s diplomatic, military and administrative resources there.
None of which are ethically viable options and all of which will involve great human tragedy. Either way though, the Russians have to find a way to remove the option of free action from Uncle Sam.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2022 10:48 utc | 276

In response to Richard Steven Hack@217,
Another potential breaking point for earnest preparation for military hostilities would be 2018/2019 when Ukraine announced its intention to, and subsequently failed to renew the Russian-Ukrainian friendship treaty. There aren’t exactly a lot of alternative interpretations to a situation where one side unilaterally decides to withdraw from a treaty of non-aggression.

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 11 2022 10:53 utc | 277

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2022 10:48 utc | 278
Given that the Russian leaders are fans of best bang for the buck approach (Putin was apparently proudly talking of the little cost of the mil. op. in Syria on Russian telly), I’d go with supplying weapons and Wagnerites to Iraq. Iran can also help.
Shutting the gas to West, and other commodities, seems inevitable…

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 11:00 utc | 278

I should perhaps clarify that, despite the flowery language used, a “friendship treaty” is a standard formula for Russian commitment to diplomacy and rejection of hostilities between Russia and any of its neighbors. It is not a symbolic gesture of goodwill, but a cornerstone document of international relations. To tear it up is to formally set the level of relations to “indeterminate” and a step removed from declaring war.

Posted by: Skiffer | Apr 11 2022 11:00 utc | 279

Walt
Yes, that was me who posted about Boris impossible visit to Kiev.
All the footage looks very Hollywood. My idea is that all these international visits by Boris or EU to Kiev are being filmed in either Poland or Lviv using the set, props, backdrops and street footage from the TV series “Servant of the People.

Posted by: maria | Apr 11 2022 11:01 utc | 280

Very cryptic message from Russian ex-mil, https://t.me/mig41/16347:
It is very likely that tomorrow important socio-political statements will be made at the Vostochny cosmodrome.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 11:02 utc | 281

Sorry but I just got to go back to that Boris photo. I just got the weird thing about it.
Would you not expect an official government photograph to have them standing still, shaking hands, or at least looking at each other, and not wandering and looking in different directions?
Definitely weird. He wasn’t there.

Posted by: Walt | Apr 11 2022 11:03 utc | 282

https://t.me/readovkanews/30609
Russia’s special operation is designed to end the US course of domination in the world – Lavrov

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 11:05 utc | 283

Maria, do you recognise the setting in that photo?

Posted by: Walt | Apr 11 2022 11:06 utc | 284

“Everything is being done to tightly bind both countries – Russia and Ukraine in a mutually destructive conflict for decades to come. @genshab”
Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 10:14 utc | 268
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2022 10:48 utc | 278
Personally I think all Putin needs to do is crush the Donbass Ukrainians with maximum force. In other words, do it a little quicker than “grinding them down” which is the usual cauldron method. I think that’s why those heavy artillery have been brought in. Wiping out 50-60,000 Ukies in, say, a week instead of two or three would send a message. Don’t bother digging them out of their fortifications – bury them in them.
Then the second thing to do is put real pressure on Lviv. Start hitting anything of significance there with missiles and air power. Speed up the forced evacuation of that city. This will get rid of a lot of the nationalists.
Finally, he needs to bring in everything that hasn’t been brought in yet. Full air cover, all the armor, all the artillery – go all in with the entire force that was designated for this operation. Sweep across Ukraine like the blitzkreig everyone expected right to the Polish border and close it. Definitively demonstrate that the Russia army can destroy the second largest army in Europe in short order.
None of the weapons the West is sending can stop the Russians. But it would behoove them to reduce unnecessary casualties. Usually, ending a war quickly and brutally saves lives in the long run. More importantly, it makes other adversaries wary. Putin needs to not only scare NATO but to scare the Pentagon.
I don’t trying to stir up things outside the region is going to help, for 3 reasons: 1) Russia doesn’t have the assets in those areas that it does at home, and 2) the US has more assets in those regions than Russia does, and 3) given the state of play I suspect the US wouldn’t care as much about those areas as it does about Russia and the EU. Then there is the problem that expending Russian resources elsewhere dilutes its concentration on Ukraine; never fight on two fronts. Finally, it takes time to set up operations elsewhere and it’s unlikely the General Staff has been planning such side operations.
Better Russia concentrates on Ukraine, but does so decisively and quickly.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 11:11 utc | 285

> I switched to Signal once the 4 big info golems closed access to Trump
Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 10:29 utc | 274
> has its full code on github, again AFAIK. The downside is it’s sponsored by US DoD, but I personally don’t mind using US taxpayers money for personal benefit 😛
Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 10:07 utc | 266

Go into F-Droid and you would see many messangers with source code open. ICQ, XMPP/Jabber, IRC, E-mail, Signal, Telegram, many others. Remember “Miranda IM”| for Windows too. Linux distros have byunch of opensource messengers.
And, again, any e-mail is messenger today with current speeds. GMail on phones, or even DeltaChat that puts this concept to extremes, deleteing all non-chat functions form e-mail.
But messengers are NOT about clients, they are about network, about server.
And popular messangers about “instant gratification” for consumers, not about long-term ideology.
Thus Signal is centered around a single “one true” server, is it not? Just like Skype.
Messages of chat can flow in p2p fashion, when they come, but the central server of authentication/discovery/routing is required.
There are sound while bitter reasons to do it, but you have to acknowledge it is how it is.
Actually, Signal is especially noted from verbally attacking all the forks that connect to main Signal servers. They are openly saying “mantaining servers and paying for their work is HARD. We give you code for free, but we do not give you service for free. If you connect to our servers – you are pirates”.
Harsh and unfriendly, but with a merit.
See this talk
Or see the top links in Readme of https://github.com/LibreSignal/LibreSignal (scroll down until Readme starts).
OTOH see “Molly connects to the Signal server, so you can chat with your Signal contacts seamlessly.”
So, as of “they banned Trump” reasoning – there is nothing technically that prevents Signal from banning Trump. As long as there is “one true directory” of all clients/users – there is an authority that can ban any user from that directory for any reason.
Trump would still be able to run Signal program – vanilla or forked from open sources – but not to connect to One True Server, which makes any messenger program moot.
Granted, this one true directory makes applciation much more comfortable for casual users, freeing them from pain of thinking and making half-informed choices. Viber and Whatsapp “shooted” because they used phone numbers as human IDs – a heresy people fought against in ICQ times, but as messangers moved from nerdy gizmos to consumer marketplace – it all got reversed.
As to why Signal sticks to “One True Server” tight control mode – there sadly are real reaosns behind it.
See https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/07/signal-app-maker-rebuts-criticism-of-dev-direction-by-calling-for-more-community-help/
See https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/
Now, even “privacy until your are banned” concept is not ensured any more.
See: https://pocketnow.com/like-whatsapp-signal-just-jumped-the-shark-and-stops-caring-so-much-about-privacy
Basically, if you really wish to evade censorship at all costs – then you only can go into zero-servers full p2p model.
Even “many federated servers” is not totally immune to gov’t censorship.
IOW if preventing censorship is paramanout thenyou have to go from Internet to DarkNets. Unless they are declared out of law (and they probably will, as WW3 is slowly unrolling).
But – forget then about “bells and whistles”, about comfort, energy efficiency… …and about many consumers sharing the messenger with you. You would be mostly alone there, with a basic and slow service.
You and all kinds of scammers and other criminals, for whom immunity from censorship is more important than user comfort too.

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 11 2022 11:11 utc | 286

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 11 2022 11:11 utc | 288
Cheers Arioch. In my use case, I’m not worried about the discoverability since I’m using signal mostly on my phone and my friends list is already hackable using simple android backdoors of which I’m sure there are few left by hoohle themselves. I just want my text and video/audio messages to be inaccessible to spying agencies, and in my very limited understanding this is what’s highly unlikely with Signal.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 11:19 utc | 287

Lavrov is taking a well deserved Easter break:
https://t.me/mig41/16349
Russia leaves the negotiations with Ukraine – Lavrov

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 11:22 utc | 288

@Anne B | Apr 11 2022 9:14 utc | 256

I’ve tried, but I fail to get the registration code on my phone – is it because I don’t have a smart-phone?

Unfortunately, that is probably correct.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2022 11:24 utc | 289

@boo 283
Any idea about the connection between karl nehammer’s visit and potential mandate from us/nato to negotiate details ref. pit?

Posted by: Nobody | Apr 11 2022 11:25 utc | 290

Posted by: Nobody | Apr 11 2022 11:25 utc | 291
Could be. The Austrian side insisted on a closed door meeting (from telegram). Last attempt to solve whatever the Mariupol problem is?

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 11:28 utc | 291

Walt
No, I don’t recognise it. It all just looks too shiny, too clean too rehearsed. The picture comes from the same video footage of Boris and Zelensky walking around what they tell us is “Kiev”.
He did go to Poland as flight ZZ336 shows but he had no time to go to Kiev by train which is a 14 hour round trip and Boris was only away for 11 hours.
I might watch the TV series to check for familiar footage (god help me, ugh).

Posted by: maria | Apr 11 2022 11:30 utc | 292

@Arch Bungle | Apr 11 2022 9:38 utc | 258

This is a sop to the comatose masses. If they were really serious they’d open source the back-end code.
Devious bastards.

Nobody is forcing you to use Telegram, and perhaps you should skip the information being copied here also.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 11 2022 11:31 utc | 293

This may be related to why the French intelligence head got dumped…also as to who may holed up in Mariupol…
US and UK conducting ‘secret war’ in Ukraine – Le Figaro (RT Link not provided)
SAS and Delta Force part of “secret war”, a French intelligence source reportedly told Le Figaro

Elite special forces from the UK and the US have been present in Ukraine since the beginning of hostilities with Russia in late February, a source in the French intelligence community reportedly told a Le Figaro reporter, last week.
The claim was reported by the newspaper’s senior international correspondent Georges Malbrunot on Saturday, the day when British Prime Minister Boris Johnson made his surprise visit to Kiev. The British leader was reportedly surrounded by guards from the elite SAS force, though this claim was not officially confirmed.
SAS units “have been present in Ukraine since the beginning of the war, as did [sic] the American Deltas,” Malbrunot tweeted citing a French intelligence source. He added that according to the source Russia was well aware of the “secret war” waged against its troops by foreign commandos. Le Figaro included his report in their updates on Ukraine.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 11:33 utc | 294

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 11:11 utc | 287
Thank you, Richard. All good suggestions. I think the Russians are choosing very reactive strategy at the moment for w/e reason. E.g. the amount of force was adjusted in the second phase; there is this interesting snippet that can be found here, https://t.me/mig41/16343:

“There is nothing terrible in admitting a mistake” – Keosayan on the state-owned Sputnik about plans to quickly take Kiev.
We would add that the only chance to move forward confidently is to learn to recognize and, most importantly, correct your mistakes.
https://t.me/radio_sputnik/27086

Unfortunately, I’ve got no access here in UK to sputnik, even in telegram so don’t know what’s been said in that radio show 🙁

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 11:39 utc | 295

From CNN…
Russian invasion will shrink Ukraine’s economy by half, World Bank estimates
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-04-11-22/index.html

In an economic update of the region, the World Bank said Sunday that Ukraine’s economy is expected to shrink by an estimated 45.1 percent this year, “although the magnitude of the contraction will depend on the duration and intensity of the war.”
Anna Bjerde, World Bank Vice President for the Europe and Central Asia region, said the “magnitude of the humanitarian crisis unleashed by the war is staggering. The Russian invasion is delivering a massive blow to Ukraine’s economy and it has inflicted enormous damage to infrastructure.” She added:

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 11 2022 11:40 utc | 296

maria | Apr 11 2022 11:01 utc | 282
Johnson was in Downing Street with Sholtz on Friday afternoon, but hasn’t put out anything other than Kiev since. The imagery on his official twitter page looks convincing. https://twitter.com/10downingstreet

Posted by: NotEinstein | Apr 11 2022 11:41 utc | 297

Germany, wth? What’s the point of this?
https://t.me/readovkanews/30614

German defense concern Rheinmetall is ready to send Ukraine up to 50 decommissioned Leopard 1 main battle tanks and up to 60 Marder infantry fighting vehicles
“The first Leopard 1 can be delivered in six weeks,” Handelsblatt quotes Rheinmetall CEO Armin Papperger as saying.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 11:42 utc | 298

@arioch 275
Pit404 would have worked as “sht in the fan” if they could prove that the rumor about the gen. is not true.
They dismissed the alleged fake by a strong argument: he posted on linkedin that he was in Turkey…

Posted by: Nobody | Apr 11 2022 11:43 utc | 299

I just want my text and video/audio messages to be inaccessible to spying agencies, and in my very limited understanding this is what’s highly unlikely with Signal.
Posted by: Boo | Apr 11 2022 11:19 utc | 289
Hmm, then don’t send them to anyone, keep them for yourself.
No, really, as long as your texts it out to someone – it is in that someone’s power from that point on.
You sent your text via most encrypted messenger ever – but your addressee saw your text good, and being inspired immediately forwarded it to his peers using good old SMS 🙂
So, basically either you manage to coerce your addressees to use the software of your choice and uin the ways of your choice, for the luxury to communicate with you.
…or you go with the flow, and you use the software they use for the luxury of communicating with them.
In the former case it can be any software, Signal or anything else. More so, if they are concerned about privacy as much as you do – they will not object if learning curve is high and consumer comfort is low.
In the latter… well, just pray for good.
And in any way, Signal was never an escape from “they banned Trump” kind of risks, and now it is even questionable if it still would keep your privacy for long.
I think Mark Twain said, “if elections could change a thing – they would be long prohibited”. Same here, i sadly guess.

Posted by: Arioch | Apr 11 2022 11:44 utc | 300