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April 6, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-42
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …
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Be fair..he may not be a concern troll. He might be an idiot. Posted by: Nook | Apr 7 2022 2:58 utc | 201 Posted by: Circe | Apr 7 2022 2:24 utc | 185 Posted by: watcher | Apr 7 2022 2:58 utc | 202 to original poster of the Medvedev piece, S | Apr 6 2022 21:46 utc | 119 Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 7 2022 3:07 utc | 203 @ 195 Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 7 2022 3:07 utc | 204 Can any rational German explain all of us why Russia should keep on exporting gas and oil to BK Stolz who is hell bend to give Ukraine all kinds of heavy weaponry? Posted by: Antonym | Apr 7 2022 3:07 utc | 205 Posted by: Chas | Apr 6 2022 16:34 utc | 18
The video came from the Azov Battalion. Interesting, as it proves Azov was active in the Bucha area.
The video does not show if the cyclist died, or if the BMD only fired warning shots. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 7 2022 3:09 utc | 206 This is the type of news I love to read:
More please…every day! Posted by: Circe | Apr 7 2022 3:10 utc | 207 @DougK – #189 Posted by: Brannagyn | Apr 7 2022 3:19 utc | 208 As for me, I’m still singing the same song. This world is totally captured by malignant Oligarchs. Posted by: vetinLA | Apr 7 2022 3:20 utc | 209 FFS stop calling people fools when they post a contrary analysis. We should always try to read and understand them because sometimes they may say something which is true and calls to rein in our own hubris- absolutely essential. Secondly they give an insight into how others might be thinking and their next moves and third when you get stuff from China you must always accept that despite the ra ra about a one party state etc, there will be many different POV.
This is a rather silly comment. Russia also exports wheat and there will be other sources. Yes there will be a price rise. Diplomatically China wins on this level.
China was not happy with the poor performance of Russian troops in Ukraine. China was kept informed about the preparations for the invasion and asked Russia to wait until the Winter Olympics in China were over on February 23rd before invading. The invasion began before dawn on the 24th and was, according to Russia, supposed to be over in fifteen days. After about a week, China concluded that the Russian plan and the Russian military had failed. Russian troops quickly ran into trouble because of the unexpected stiff resistance by Ukrainian troops and armed civilians. China initially remained silent about the invasion and as the Ukrainian resistance increased, along with unprecedented sanctions imposed by Russia’s Western trading partners, China refused to openly support the Russian operation.
This is a rather serious allegation. It may or may not be true but is rather irrelevant. Narky for the sake of it. everybody knows or should know that the USA cozied up to China in the 70s in order to weaken Russia. Nothing new here. The world has changed a very great deal sine 1967. Firstly THEN the USA was clearly No 1 in power- military, economic and diplomatic/cultural. That is not the case any longer. China is no 1 economically, Russia probably No 1 militarily and no power has much diplomatic status/power anymore. Possibly India at a pinch.
Polemic rubbish. I am sure China fully understands the Russian situation. The problem for Russia was diplomatic not military. The rest of the article diverges into a heap of out of date polemic rubbish. China in no way wants to weaken Russia because they understand that if Russia falls they will be next. Any Chinese who do not understand this are either naive fools or traitors. Posted by: watcher | Apr 7 2022 3:29 utc | 210 Posted by: watcher | Apr 7 2022 2:58 utc | 198 Posted by: Kim | Apr 7 2022 3:33 utc | 211 Downloading now… Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 7 2022 3:36 utc | 212 To what extent am I free to rail against the Jews and quote paragraphs from The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion? Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 7 2022 3:36 utc | 213 Am afraid Karlof1 and others are right. A few nukes on London, DC, Langley, WS and Brussels are in order. Posted by: CarlD | Apr 7 2022 3:42 utc | 214 michaelj72 | Apr 7 2022 3:07 utc | 199 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 3:58 utc | 215 milos comment on the previous thread was pretty good.. here it is again – Posted by: james | Apr 7 2022 4:08 utc | 216 On YT Forces TV for UK has f/Royal Marine Gherson as Reporter in Bucha admiring destroyed Russian tanks killed by Javelins but no mention of any civilian massacre Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 7 2022 4:09 utc | 217
Posted by: Laurence | Apr 7 2022 4:10 utc | 218 1. Why is an Azov drone watching a bicyclist sneaking up on a Russian convoy? Posted by: Laurence | Apr 7 2022 4:24 utc | 219 Posted by: Kim | Apr 7 2022 3:33 utc | 207 Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 7 2022 4:29 utc | 220 “Great insight despite your cultural homophobia”: Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 7 2022 4:30 utc | 221 My thought for some time has been that Ukraine has drawn in the fighting age fascists/neo-nazies from all over Europe ad the anglosphere. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 4:30 utc | 222 @watcher | Apr 6 2022 21:45 utc | 118 Posted by: Vintage Red | Apr 7 2022 4:30 utc | 223 @ Laurence – 215 Posted by: Brannagyn | Apr 7 2022 4:41 utc | 224 For those going through a difficult time with the overwhelming propaganda and the cognitive dissonance in the people about them. A section in this Goering quote that applies. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 4:50 utc | 225 I see I will have to get a new keyboard. N key is a bit hit and miss and although I check back over it, I don’t see many of the missing N’s until after I have posted. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 5:03 utc | 226 “…this is the fourth US-China LNG deal struck in the past two weeks.” Posted by: ayahuasca | Apr 7 2022 5:05 utc | 227 Posted by: Figleaf23 | Apr 7 2022 5:11 utc | 228 Loose talk of blockading Kaliningrad has worried me the past couple of days, but the latest news makes it seem rather unlikely. Lithuania’s transport minister said it probably can’t be done, because an E.U. agreement with Russia guarantees transit, and the (dim-witted) ban on border traffic with Russia under discussion at the E.U. would make an exception for Kaliningrad. Posted by: line islands | Apr 7 2022 5:11 utc | 229 Maybe Putin wants to encourage open competition in the succession game. Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 7 2022 5:28 utc | 231 Posted by: ayahuasca | Apr 7 2022 5:05 utc | 223 Posted by: watcher | Apr 7 2022 5:28 utc | 232 In response to Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 7 2022 5:32 utc | 233 anybody see this one, below? 🙂 Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 7 2022 5:36 utc | 234 I have to say I love it here, so don’t take it the wrong way when I say I’m tired of the hatred of gay and trans people constantly cropping up from a few characters. I share the views of so many people on this board, but I’m gay. I only say this in the probably errant hope that maybe it makes someone reconsider their prejudice. I’m not for censorship and don’t take it personally. I’m just saying. Posted by: line islands | Apr 7 2022 5:37 utc | 235 Our household is still baffled at Medvedev’s “rehabilitation” after his very public demotion a couple of years ago. Maybe Putin wants to encourage open competition in the succession game. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 5:38 utc | 236 Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 6 2022 17:01 utc | 33 Posted by: RJB | Apr 7 2022 5:43 utc | 237 @ 218 peter au… Posted by: james | Apr 7 2022 5:49 utc | 238 Posted by: line islands | Apr 7 2022 5:37 utc | 231 Posted by: watcher | Apr 7 2022 5:49 utc | 239 Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 6 2022 21:50 utc | 121 Posted by: Abe | Apr 7 2022 5:51 utc | 240 Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 7 2022 3:36 utc | 209
I need do no such thing, Mr. Chief Inquisitor. I couldn’t care less if El Protocols are a ripoff of Three Little Piggies, for even if it wasn’t it describes the current, observable activities of the Zionist Cabal across the Globe.
You’re laughable. Why that particular point? After all, it’s not as if terror attacks have never happened in subways before or can happen in future, Mr. Mouthbreather? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 5:54 utc | 241 line islands | Apr 7 2022 5:37 utc | 231 and others Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 6:00 utc | 242 james | Apr 7 2022 5:49 utc | 234 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 6:13 utc | 243 German media are confident: Russia’s default is imminent. Posted by: mk | Apr 7 2022 6:16 utc | 244 psychohistorian | Apr 7 2022 5:32 utc | 229 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 6:26 utc | 245 @119 Posted by: line islands | Apr 7 2022 6:53 utc | 246 Finland Seizes Art From Russian Museums as Part of EU Sanctions https://sputniknews.com/20220407/finland-seizes-art-from-russian-museums-as-part-of-eu-sanctions-1094540776.html [🇮🇱💩💰]
Posted by: Laurence | Apr 7 2022 6:57 utc | 247 Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 7 2022 3:36 utc | 209
From “El Protocols”:
Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 6:59 utc | 248 Once again I get home from work and it’s just too much to plough through… I did make it through comment #2 though. It seems pretty spot on to me. I’m still laughing over the delicious irony that the Europe which infected the Americas (and turned it into a living hell for the people who were already there) was in turn reinfected by the supervirus that emerged after 1776. The US equivalent of Cortez (Ike) landed on June 6, 1944 and Mexicanized Europe. Almost 80 years later the first sprouts of those Banana Republics are popping up. Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 7 2022 7:08 utc | 249 @ line islands – 231 Posted by: Brannagyn | Apr 7 2022 7:09 utc | 250 Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 5:54 utc | 237 Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 7 2022 7:12 utc | 251 Southfront.org is under attack by the west, apparently the website certification have been revoked, hopefully Southfront could find a solution to this:
Posted by: Zanon | Apr 7 2022 7:14 utc | 252 ah sorry folks, Southfront is UP it was my own browser that caused that problem. Posted by: Zanon | Apr 7 2022 7:17 utc | 253 Patroklos | Apr 7 2022 7:08 utc | 246 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 7:18 utc | 254 I have to admit I laughed at the part in the Protocols about subways; you’d have to be a total mouth-breather to fall for that Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 7 2022 7:24 utc | 255 “Blockading Kaliningrad by land would violate Russian agreements with the E.U. and be close to an act of war. If those countries are dense enough to do it, they may cease to exist and in short order. ” Posted by: Ponta | Apr 7 2022 7:26 utc | 256 ostro #2 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 7 2022 7:27 utc | 257 In our desire to hurt the Russians, we’ve messed up Posted by: Passerby | Apr 7 2022 7:32 utc | 258 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 5:38 utc | 232 Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 7 2022 7:36 utc | 259 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 3:58 utc | 211 Posted by: Kim | Apr 7 2022 7:39 utc | 260 Here in Australia we need to start brushing up on our Mandarin. Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 7 2022 7:41 utc | 261 John Kennard | Apr 7 2022 7:36 utc | 256 “even gorgeous.’ Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 7:42 utc | 262 I can’t find the word subway being used. Can you explain what this is all about ? Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 7 2022 7:50 utc | 263 John Kennard | Apr 7 2022 7:41 utc | 258 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 7:53 utc | 264 Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 7 2022 7:27 utc | 254 Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 7 2022 7:54 utc | 265 OK so no I am impatient for Russia to kick back HARD. There is no coming back from this madness. I do not however support in any way shape or form the use of nukes or indeed bombing any cities with civilians. Posted by: watcher | Apr 7 2022 7:54 utc | 266 @ malenkov | Apr 6 2022 22:08 utc | 129 Posted by: Cherrycoke | Apr 7 2022 7:55 utc | 267 China Protests Over US Approval of Taiwan Deal on Patriot Air Defence Systems https://sputniknews.com/20220407/china-protests-over-us-approval-of-taiwan-deal-on-patriot-air-defence-systems-1094543093.html Posted by: Laurence | Apr 7 2022 8:00 utc | 268 Patroklos | Apr 7 2022 7:54 utc | 262 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 8:01 utc | 269 RSH 153 Posted by: Dadda | Apr 7 2022 8:01 utc | 270 @John Kennard #257 Posted by: Mr Green Jeans | Apr 7 2022 8:01 utc | 271 A while ago I watched a Netflix spy series called “Pine Gap” set at the satellite intelligence center near Alice Springs. Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 7 2022 8:12 utc | 272 watcher | Apr 7 2022 7:54 utc | 263 Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 7 2022 8:12 utc | 273 A little story about a factory in a country that believed the Americans. Posted by: Passerby | Apr 7 2022 8:28 utc | 274 Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 7 2022 7:24 utc | 252
The version I have (the one presented on some academic site as a ‘forgery’) has these lines:
There is no use of the word “subway”, instead the terminology for the era is used (undergrounds, metropolitans):
By 1901/1902 when the book is said to have appeared the London “Underground” or “Metropolitan” was already in existence and referred to using these terms.
Which reminds me very much of the massive archival data loss represented by the WTC destruction on September 11. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 8:36 utc | 275 Putin needs a victory to show off for the May 9th parades. Let’s just nope it does not involve nukes. Posted by: Mr Green Jeans | Apr 7 2022 8:42 utc | 276 @xototox | Apr 6 2022 20:39 utc | 98 Posted by: Francil | Apr 7 2022 8:46 utc | 277 Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 8:36 utc | 272 Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 7 2022 8:47 utc | 278 When the protocols were written, terrorism wasn’t a thing yet. Blowing up subway stations would have shocked people a lot more than it would today, after 9/11 and numerous other terror attacks. We’ve gotten used to a lot of threats that didn’t exist then, such as nuclear weapons, chemical and biological weapons. World War I hadn’t happened yet. The technical means for terrorism were limited, but it also took much less to shock people. Just my two cents. Posted by: protocols | Apr 7 2022 8:49 utc | 279 Posted by: protocols | Apr 7 2022 8:49 utc | 276
“Terrorism” was all the rage in some places, the new and shiny thing:
I suspect Sergei Aleksandrovich Nilus was aware of the cutting edge in revolutionary thought, including terrorism as an idea.
That’s not something I can fit my head around.
The advent of dynamite “democratized” mass violence by the 19th century. Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 9:07 utc | 281 ”Fuck the EU …” War propaganda
January 17 2020 Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 7 2022 9:49 utc | 284 Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 7 2022 7:41 utc | 258 Posted by: Peter Williams | Apr 7 2022 9:50 utc | 285 https://www.forumdaily.com/en/vosem-raz-privityj-zhirinovskij-zabolel-covid-19-politik-v-kriticheskom-sostoyanii-ego-podklyuchili-k-shvl/ Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 7 2022 9:58 utc | 286 Does anyone have a link for the full story on this leak from US State Dept re: Nuland saying the sanctions on Russia will result in ‘less Europeans’ ? I’ve only seen Twitter screenshots, has anyone actually reported this? Full text of the leak? Posted by: Pete | Apr 7 2022 9:58 utc | 287 Sorry abt spell checker gone mad. Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 7 2022 10:00 utc | 288 Q: What languages are taught in the USA? Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 7 2022 10:05 utc | 289 WARNING: LONG POST!
Personalities: Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 7 2022 10:08 utc | 290 Hey Posted by: watcher | Apr 7 2022 10:27 utc | 291 Posted by: Aslangeo | Apr 6 2022 20:14 utc | 89 Posted by: Olivier | Apr 7 2022 10:32 utc | 292 And meanwhile, the NG keeps on flowing through Ukraine and Zelensky gets good money, which is rather funny, or at least peculiar. Posted by: Francil | Apr 7 2022 10:38 utc | 293 Jirinovski vaccinated 8 times against Covid before catching virus and l’atelier passent away. Posted by: Olivier | Apr 7 2022 10:44 utc | 294 Rather than hitting cities full of civilians, matters could be brought to a head very quickly if Russia just hits a few power stations. I read that the US electrical system is massively inter-dependent, so maybe just hitting one would do the trick? Posted by: Stevelancs | Apr 7 2022 10:48 utc | 295 Atrocities are committed by emotionless or mental zombies, officially labelled sociopaths or psychopaths. Posted by: Antonym | Apr 7 2022 11:03 utc | 296 ”Motor Sich in Zaporozhe, manufacturing jet engines for planes and helicopters.” Russian army : A lack of vision and a poor preparation Posted by: Nicolas | Apr 7 2022 11:51 utc | 298 New announcement by Lavrov, as expected what was signed in Istambul is not respected by the Ukrainian side, they did not like it in Langley. I wonder what’s the purpose of negotiations if Russia knows quite well that whatever Ukrainians sign is not worth the ink of the signature if the agreements do not please the boss overseas. Posted by: Paco | Apr 7 2022 12:03 utc | 299 Posted by: watcher | Apr 7 2022 10:27 utc | 293
And there, friends, is the extent of your so called ‘Free Speech’ … Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 7 2022 12:10 utc | 300 |
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