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April 06, 2022

Ukraine Open Thread 2022-42

Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict ...

Posted by b on April 6, 2022 at 15:33 UTC | Permalink

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This must be a heavily monitored site. Monitored for ideas to churn out papers on.
On Apr 1 2022 2:04 I posted here calling on Russia to learn from Iran, re sanction busting. Today, these two vindictive domfoqs from FDD are calling it “The ‘central banker of terrorism’ could coach Russia” and rolling with it.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/iran-evading-sanctions-russia-putin-moscow-tehran-banking-system-ukraine-invasion-terrorism-human-rights-nuclear-deal-jcpoa-11649171567

Also, Why do the ‘Useless’ post here? They are just useless. See previous thread.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 6 2022 15:37 utc | 1

Found this on the Internet. Don't know who is the writer. Google translation
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We have become world champions in sanctions, overtaking the former leader, Iran. The United States and the European Union have put all their cards on the table, blowing up even those mines that cause more damage to them than to us.

For example, I will point to the freezing of the dollar and euro parts of our reserves. We have lost 300 billion dollars, which we will save up again in about a year. The US and the EU have lost reputation as an arbitrary default on the dollar and euro automatically triggers the withdrawal of dollars and euros from the category of reserve currencies.

The so-called "paper" (fiat) money is, in fact, just a receipt, a promise to deliver goods sometime in the future. Imagine you are bringing Sam a wagon of manure. Sam writes you a receipt: I, Sam Smith, passport such and such, residing there, undertake to give Vasily an iPhone 14 in perfect condition. The next day, after shaving, you come to Sam for an iPhone. And Sam says to you - Russian ship, get out of here before I draw a sexual organ on my receipt.

That's what happened to dollars and euros. The whole village saw that Sam's receipts were unreliable, since Sam did not keep his merchant's word.

Americans and Europeans would not be so hurt if the ruble collapsed. They have already frozen the gold reserves of other countries - Iran, Venezuela, Syria. Investors were very annoyed by this, since investors are not fools, but the situation was still different: both the amounts were small on a global scale, and the financial systems of the attacked countries were crumpled into an accordion after the attack of the Americans. Freezing the gold reserves of small unrequited countries was perceived not as a scam, but as aggression, an arbitrary manifestation of force. Investors were willing to put up with this.

But the ruble did not collapse after the American attack. Right now I am writing this post, and the ruble is trading at around 83 rubles, which is not much higher than the October 79 rubles per dollar, and which is even lower than the peak high that the dollar jumped to in the midst of the 2014-2015 currency crisis. In fact, we bought for these 300 billion dollars stolen from us a unique historical opportunity to create our own reserve currency, the energy ruble. Perhaps it was worth it and without any sanctions.

The Americans, on the other hand, turned out to be the unlucky hunter from the joke, who slipped a double-barreled shotgun into the den. The hunter wanted to shoot the sleeping bear and pulled the trigger, but the gun misfired and the bear woke up...

So, the US and the EU have already used almost all of their financial and economic weapons against Russia. Then only refuse fuel, but here the game is not at all in their favor: it's like trying to bite through a car wheel with your teeth. Actually, that's why Western politicians are now fighting in such hysteria. Russia is a problem that is destroying their financial system and that they cannot solve.

The main reason why the West has found itself in such an unenviable situation is the natural change of our world. In the 21st century, the once mighty West put on a leather harness and decorated its ass with multi-colored feathers, and the East, led by China, gradually took the industrial and technological leadership from the West.

Let's see how high-tech exports from different countries have changed over the years:

1990 The USA is the leader, Japan is the second, Germany is the third. China is not even in the top ten.
2004 China is the leader, the US is in second place by a small margin, Germany and Japan are just behind the US. The gap between first and fourth place is small.
2019 year. China leader. Germany is in second place, 3.5 (!) times behind. Singapore is third. The United States is in fourth place, behind China by about 5 times. China's high-tech exports are higher than all the top ten Western countries combined.
People are very inert, especially adults, so Western politicians still mentally live there, in the middle of the 2000s, when the US and China fought on equal terms. However, 15 years have already passed, and the United States has lagged behind completely, hopelessly. They are kept afloat only by the inertia of the dollar, which before the February default was a full-fledged reserve currency.

Have you heard of Wenzhou? Show it on the map? I'm sure not. In short, recently Wenzhou was considered backward, there was even the term "poor Wenzhou". Now, thanks to life-giving capitalism, Wenzhou is flourishing. There are a lot of factories of various industries - for example, the city is a world center for the production of low-voltage equipment.

Here's a 1.5-hour video for you - just driving a car through the streets of Wenzhou, no parade shooting from a quadrocopter of freshly built skyscrapers and other varnished pictures for tourists. This is how the most ordinary person sees the city every day.

Once again, I would like to draw your attention to the fact that by Chinese standards Wenzhou is a small town, a backwater, a regional center of the provincial province of Zhejiang. 9.5 million people is a trifle by Chinese standards, almost a village. Zhejiang Semir Garment clothing company (Semir and Balabala brands, which you don’t fucking know, unlike Dolce and Gabbana faggots), Aima shoe company, General Electric and Schneider Electric electrical appliance factories (yes, yes, it’s all from there), are based in Wenzhou), steel plant of Shagang Group. They even launched the subway three years ago.

And for comparison, Brussels, the capital of NATO butchers.

With all my love for the historical streets of old cities, this is a hopeless province. The United States and the European Union are no longer at the level that would allow them to hope for competition with Asia.

And now we were looking only at China, while there is also India, whose population is almost equal to that of China, and where high technologies are now developing at a very high pace. In the West, it is customary to joke about India in the traditional formats of toilet humor. However, India is big, it has about 5 million programmers alone. And since everything is in order with the brains of the Indians, quantity inevitably turns into quality.

But there is also Indonesia with a population of 280 million people. Pakistan - 230 million. Brazil - 210 million ... and in every country now there is the Internet, there is access to education, there are opportunities for building factories and laboratories. The West considers itself "the whole world" only because it has not yet received a sufficiently sensitive punch on the nose.

It just so happened that Russia is now giving him this click: with the rear support of Asia, Africa and Latin America. And the West can do absolutely nothing with us, since it also lags behind us in terms of the number of nuclear warheads.

We do not have as many nuclear weapons as in Soviet times, but enough to drive the United States into the Stone Age if necessary. Therefore, the United States fidgets in a chair, bites its nails, shouts curses ... but still does not cross certain boundaries.

America's position looks hopeless. China is preparing to crush the United States economically, and there is little chance of détente, since the West has been behaving absolutely bestially towards China in recent centuries, and since the West clearly will not begin to think about its behavior until it suffers a full-fledged, devastating defeat. The West cannot inflict critical damage on China, since for this it is necessary to isolate China from Russia, which is technically impossible - we have a common land border with China. We supply China with food and hydrocarbons, this is quite enough for an economic victory over the United States, no matter what blockades the United States undertakes. There is no way to destroy Russia first, and then China - militarily, Russia is too strong, and the Americans failed to drive a wedge between Russia and China.

Perhaps, if the Americans had not been so aggressive, if they had not moved NATO bases to the east, if they had not tirelessly fomented revolutions and civil wars on the territory of the former USSR, their hegemony could have lasted a little longer.

However, to live peacefully is not about Americans. They are stupid, arrogant and greedy. The United States went to aggravate the conflict with the East and, it seems, lost.

PS. Remember, I told you that we will become the tip of the Chinese spear directed at the heart of the West? And you all bummed that they say why is Russia, la-la-la. Well, as you can see, it was not possible to get away from this role. Geography is fate.

How Putin tried to establish friendship with Europe, offered them all sorts of options that would be beneficial for them - but no, it did not take off. Even the Germans, logical and thoughtful people who calculate everything in the world on a calculator - and they were not able to step over the general European Russophobia.

And if not, it will hurt me a lot,
And I'll probably go crazy with tears
When you are sent to our school yard
All dressed in white and wreathed with chrysanthemums and roses.

Europe has chosen its fate. And chose fate for Russia. What you are seeing now is the death of Europe. Even if it does not come to nuclear strikes on industrial centers, Europe is doomed. In a situation where European industry is left without cheap Russian energy sources and raw materials - and China will begin to receive these same energy carriers and raw materials at a discount, there can be no talk of any real competition with China from Europe. As a result, literally everything will collapse there - after industry, agriculture will collapse, welfare and social security will collapse, hunger, banditry and chaos will begin. I don’t even believe that the transition to Nazism will be able to save these states - the decay has gone too far, too many parasites have come in on European benefits, they have successfully gobbled up and ruined their countries, they will ruin European ones too.

And in everything the Europeans will blame the Russians. Therefore, they will climb on us, get hit in the face, wash themselves with blood - and climb again. At a certain stage, things will come to the vitrification of some European capitals, as well as to the sinking of the "island of villains" below the water level in the French channel - they are stupid, they will not calm down in a good way. History teaches that it does not teach anyone anything.

Nobody cares about Ukraine. Ukraine is just a place where Russia decided to fight Europe. Do not wait until they come to us, but finally implement the concept of "little bloodshed in foreign territory." It’s a pity for the crests, but they themselves are to blame - they really wanted to serve the Eurogays, and now they did.

By the way, Europe fully accepted the proposed conditions and came to the war - now the Czech Republic is shipping about 1000 T-72 and BMP-1 tanks from its stocks to the Ukraine, now they are being transported on railway platforms. This, by the way, is not bad for us - we have a chance to destroy most of this on the road, the rest of it will screw up and break, and NATO will lose another thousand tanks. This is the meaning of this war.

Posted by: ostro | Apr 6 2022 15:38 utc | 2

@ ostro | Apr 6 2022 15:38 utc | 2

too long a post... didn't read it..provide a link, or an overview of why you think it is relevant.. thanks..

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2022 15:50 utc | 3

@ peter au and juliania... thanks for your responses on the previous thread..

indian punchline from today - India’s dilemma over West vs. Russia

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2022 15:52 utc | 4

Curiously absent from the war coverage has been an estimate of the remaining military fuel supplies in Ukraine. Since the Russians are making a point of destroying these, and since modern warfare is energy-intensive, it would seem that the point of exhaustion of Ukraine's diesel fuel would indicate the time of defeat of the Ukrainian army. Thus this is a very important topic. I suspect that the US and NATO have this information and have already predicted how much longer the Ukrainians can hold out.

Posted by: HH | Apr 6 2022 15:57 utc | 5

partial summary of my link @ 4 - " The EU does not want Ukraine to lose, so it will continue to arm it" - Borrell - it would mean the end of nato and usa dominance..

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2022 16:04 utc | 6

The Bucha Threat

In the prior thread james | Apr 6 2022 1:32 utc | 353 provided a link to a Larry Johnstone article on the Bucha incident.
A prior Johnstone article speaks directly to Bucha as a false flag:
https://sonar21.com/bucha-massacre-a-ukrainian-false-flag/

The included picture of a Bucha victim shows a human being lying on his/her right side with the right leg supported on a folded blue blanket. The blanket appears placed so as to support the corpse in rigor mortis; If the blanket were not in this support position the "frozen" corpse would not make the expected ground contact. Absent the blanket, the "frozen" corpse would roll to the right and the left arm and hand would lift up such that the hand would no longer make contact with the ground but would be suspended 5 to 12 inches above the pavement.

Rigor mortis will normally commence around 4 hours after death and may last up to 60 hours depending on ambient temperatures. Cold weather may delay both the onset of rigor mortis and the post death bodily decomposition that results in the loss of rigor mortis effects. These facts suggests the body was killed in another location where blood staining occurred and where the body "froze" in its position at death. After rigor mortis onset the body was transported to the street and needed to be supported with a blanket to avoid a repose in-congruent with its new post-death setting.

The conclusion to be drawn is that the person placing the body realized this unnatural position would raise suspicion about Ukrainian claims of a Russian atrocity. Therefore some supporting material had to be found and placed beneath the legs to add verisimilitude to the scene.

There is some water staining on the pavement but this also appears to be in-congruent with the claimed location of death. Why does the left hand lie in a water stain while the area immediately to the right appears completely dry? Why is there a dry patch extending from the hand and sweeping around the blanket material? Why is there an area of dry pavement immediately to the left of the left boot toe? Why is there no sign of blood staining or pooling on the adjacent pavement as would be found if the body died in this location?

There exist a larger set of questions than the ones being raised. Human beings are not idiots. We learn from an early age to identify misdirection and falsehood. Many childhood games are directly concerned with these issues. As children we take delight in mis-direction; we learn how to outwit our opponent and, more importantly, we develop an innate ability to detect falsehood.

These skills continue to lay a vital role in adulthood. We are immediately wary of the sly garage mechanic, the curious history of a potential mate, the false promises found on all packaging.

Why then are we so accepting of state propaganda and media falsehoods? I suggest the answer is found in the work of Nassim Nicholas Taleb. When it comes to Ukraine we have no skin in the game, nothing similar to the inflated repair bill produced by the sly mechanic, or the long term liabilities arising from the dubious past of a prospective mate.

Of course we do have exposure to Ukraine. The effects are found in rising gasoline prices, inflation in the cost of other necessities such as food, the price of an airline ticket rising from $700 to $9,000. But as of yet we do not immediately connect these events to our public celebration of the glories of the Ukraine, the feats of the Ghost of Kiev, the destroyed Ukrainian armour quickly daubed with the letter Z.

You can make the claim the Ukraine conflict occurred at a propitious time for wild haired Boris who was facing a revolt in his own party and repeated violations of his own policies regarding COVID. FJB has blamed the cost of gas on price gouging by the oil industry and by companies failing to drill on government leaseholds. Trudeau, Macron, Boris, and FJB all need a public distraction to draw attention away from the growing evidence of long term negative vaccine effects, a need to strike a Churchillian pose, to be seen as defenders of peace and democracy in the face of evidence of a premeditated NATO supported conflict.

At some point the Western public's BS detectors will kick in and the state, and the various self-proclaimed "leaders" will all be seen to have engaged in a series of lies that can no longer be hidden. Budget lies, debt lies, media lies, laptop lies, election lies, vaccine lies, Ukraine lies, NATO lies, lies about Russia and the fundamental interdependent nature of each nation's security.

I hesitate to make predictions. But, when the truth begins to dawn, I suspect the Empire of Lies and its vassal states will be thoroughly discredited. The resulting social upheaval may be tumultuous. There may be a demand to remove the few working guillotines from their resting places in the museums of terror. This is the real threat of Bucha.

Posted by: Sushi | Apr 6 2022 16:05 utc | 7

US Slaps New Sanctions on Russia
https://sputniknews.com/20220406/us-slaps-new-sanctions-on-russia-1094527781.html


The White House has announced a new round of sanctions targeting Russia for its special military operation in Ukraine. New economic blocking measures target two of the country's biggest banks, Sberbank and Alfa Bank, preventing all operations with them with the exception of payments for Russian energy resources.

The US also decided to issue waivers from the anti-Russia sanctions for various humanitarian operations. The White House said it had cut Russia off from the frozen assets of its central bank in the US and that Moscow will have to find new ways to get dollars and route payments to avoid defaulting on its foreign bonds."In total, we’ve now fully blocked more than two-thirds of the Russian banking sector, which before the invasion held about $1.4 trillion in assets", a senior administration official said.

The official also said that the White House - along with G7 countries and the European Union - is planning to issue a ban on all new investments in the Russian market. The US also plans to target several large Russian state-owned corporations with new sanctions on 7 April.[.]

Wrong. Two weeks ago, Russia has been servicing its foreign bond obligations. Not a good idea to place sanctions on bonds....unless the wish is to damage Global banks.

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 6 2022 16:09 utc | 8

@b

All these comments just copy-pasting long slabs of text aren't really helpful. I for one tend not to read them, but they are off-putting.

Posted by: bjd | Apr 6 2022 16:10 utc | 9

@ostro

Whoever wrote that screed is a neo-Nazi. “I don’t even believe that the transition to Nazism will be able to save these states - the decay has gone too far, too many parasites have come in on European benefits, they have successfully gobbled up and ruined their countries, they will ruin European ones too.”

Nazism should be as unwelcome here as it’s becoming in Mariupol.

Posted by: line islands | Apr 6 2022 16:11 utc | 10

Although I imagine these have been covered, a few items of interest:
Second or third attempt at rescuing VIPs from Azovstal Industrial zone? Rumor has it some of the are "extra-national"... At any rate, multiple helos destroyed, so the stakes must be high. Some might recall the Debaltsevo cauldron and alleged "bargains" made.

Bucha false flag clearly intended to generate outrage and manufacture consent, but given that EU nations are not eager to intervene directly perhaps it is distraction from the mass surrendering and general state of the UAF, not to mention the Right Sektor types self incriminating on the internet.

LOC cauldron: It looks like now is the time. Will there be mass surrendering, or bone crushing?

Posted by: Chevrus | Apr 6 2022 16:12 utc | 11

Posted by: HH | Apr 6 2022 15:57 utc | 5

Yup, would be nice to have some data. The west already predicted the imminent demise of Ukraine. What the west is doing, is milking the sanction cow dry.

But once the Ukrainian enforcement troops ran out of fuel, the local troops could still theoretically fight to the last Mohican for some time, if you can ignore the large Ukrainian troop surrenders lately.

To fight 29 years like the last Japanese soldier had done is only a wish.

Posted by: KitaySupporter | Apr 6 2022 16:12 utc | 12

Poll: 95% of Ukrainians believe Ukraine will win the war

https://ratinggroup.ua/en/research/ukraine/sedmoy_obschenacionalnyy_opros_ukraina_v_usloviyah_voyny_30-31_marta_2022.html

Posted by: aquileia | Apr 6 2022 16:13 utc | 13

A warning.

Peskov Not Ruling Out Cutting Diplomatic Ties With West if Expulsion of Russian Diplomats Continues
https://sputniknews.com/20220406/peskov-not-ruling-out-cutting-diplomatic-ties-with-west-if-expulsion-of-russian-diplomats-continues-1094528543.html

Sputnik News Feed
US Officials Admit They Made Up Ukraine 'Chemical Weapons' Scare for 'Info War' on Russia

https://sputniknews.com/20220406/us-officials-admit-they-made-up-ukraine-chemical-weapons-scare-for-info-war-on-russia-1094528002.html

Three US officials have admitted Washington fabricated the scare story that Russia was preparing a chemical weapons attack in Ukraine.

The unnamed sources told NBC News that "declassified intelligence" was used as propaganda in an "information war", even when President Joe Biden's administration knew the reports were not "rock solid".

They admitted there was no evidence that Russia had deployed chemical weapons — which it no longer possesses — in or near Ukraine. The claim was seized upon by many in Washington to demand direct US military confrontation with Russia.[.]


Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 6 2022 16:13 utc | 14

@13 The other 5% are scared to say anything.

Posted by: dh | Apr 6 2022 16:18 utc | 15

Looks like Kerch Strait has reopened to shipping which means Russian wheat exports can restart. I suspect Kerch Strait closed to prevent attack on bridge by Ukrainians.

Posted by: Ghost Ship | Apr 6 2022 16:22 utc | 16

Latvia and Lithuania thinking about closing their borders with Russia and Belarus, this would seriously affect Russians living in Kalingrad and their ability to reach Russia across land, Russian authorities have indicated that they are none to pleased about it.

"Moscow has cautioned neighboring European countries against the closure of their borders with Russia and Belarus pointing out that such a scenario would mean the blockade of Russia’s westernmost exclave Kaliningrad.

Earlier this week Latvian and Lithuanian officials made statements regarding the possible closure of their borders with Russia and Belarus in response to Moscow’s military operation in Ukraine.

On Wednesday, commenting on the matter, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Alexander Grushko expressed hope that “common sense” would prevent the Europeans from “playing with fire.” Such a measure would deprive Kaliningrad residents of the opportunity to reach Russia’s main territory by land.

“I very much hope that common sense in Europe will not allow any games to be played around Kaliningrad. I think many people understand that this is playing with fire,” the deputy minister told the media."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 6 2022 16:25 utc | 17

Today the NY Times is pushing a story with video on its front page claiming the video shows Russian military shooting a man walking a bicycle in Bucha. I watched the video twice and it didn't show such a shooting. Nor did I see an explanation of where the video came from. Perhaps a Ukie drone made the video. The video is proof of nothing.

Posted by: Chas | Apr 6 2022 16:34 utc | 18

@ Sushi | Apr 6 2022 16:05 utc | 7

interesting thought exercise.... was the west discredited with all the false flags in syria? answer - no.... how about obama turning a blind eye to ISIS? same deal... the west is incapable of any accountability and as many others have said previous - incapable of honouring any agreements they make... this also explains why zelensky will not be making any agreements with russia.. as a stooge of the cia-azov sphere, there is no possibility of any peace agreement here... and anything they do come up with with be broken... this is a reflection of my own mistrust of the west and my acknowledgement of the reality of the matter too.. there is no room for idealism towards the west at this point..

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2022 16:34 utc | 19

posted by me @ 8
US Slaps New Sanctions on Russia
[.]The new round of sanctions comes on top of a spate of measures imposed on Moscow by the US and its European allies in response to the start of the special military operation in Ukraine on 24 February.[..]

Can’t imagine there is any left in the Sanctions bag. They have to recycle.
Ring the bell when Gazprombank is sanctioned and the juice stops flowing for the next 5 years. Winter has not been cancelled. German’s industry Titans, Jamie Diamon, Blackrock, et al will give instructions to the dumbwits. Hopefully, before total economic depression.

William F. Engdahl has cautioned in his long essay at link. {Snips}
Fed Inflation Lies, Russia Sanctions and a New World Order March 28, 2022
http://www.williamengdahl.com/englishNEO28Mar2022.php

[..]Food cost is soaring as global shortages of grain, sunflower oil and fertilizers appear, owing to skyrocketing cost of natural gas to make nitrogen fertilizers. This was well before the Ukraine conflict.

Eliminating Russian and Ukrainian wheat exports because of sanctions and war can cut up to 30% of world grain supply. Drought in USA Midwest and South America, and heavy floods in China are adding to exploding food costs. Natural gas is rising because of the foolish EU and Biden Zero Carbon agenda to eliminate all hydrocarbon energy in the next years. Now because of the suicidal sanctions by the West against Russia, a major source of global diesel fuel, Russia, is being eliminated. Russia is the second largest crude oil exporter in the world after Saudi Arabia. It is the largest natural gas exporter in the world, most to the EU.

Sanctions, Urea and Microchips

An example of how interconnected the globalized world economy has become, in October, 2021 China imposed severe export controls on export of urea, a key component of not only fertilizer but also of a diesel engine additive, DEF or AdBlue, which most modern diesel engines need to control Nitrogen Oxide emissions. Without AdBlue the engines don’t run. That threatens trucks, farm tractors, harvesters, construction equipment. U.S. military uses diesel fuel in tanks and trucks.

Now with the sanctions on Russia, the world’s second largest exporter of refined diesel fuel is being forced out. The EU imports half of its diesel from Russia. Shell and BP have warned German buyers of potential supply problems and prices are soaring. The diesel loss comes as diesel fuel stocks in Europe are at their lowest since 2008. In the US according to OilPrice.com, the situation is graver still. There, diesel fuel inventories are 21 percent lower than the pre-pandemic five-year seasonal average.

Neon gas is a by-product from steel production. Some 50% of world semiconductor high-purity neon gas critical for the lasers needed for lithography to make chips comes from two Ukrainian companies, Ingas and Cryoin. Both got their neon from Russian steel plants. One is based in Odessa and the other in Mariupol. Since the fighting there began a month ago, both plants have shut. Moreover, according to the California-based firm TECHCET, “Russia is a crucial source of C4F6 which several US suppliers buy and purify for use in advanced node logic device etching and advanced lithography processes for chip production.” As well Russia produces about a third of all world palladium used in car catalytic converters and in sensors and emerging memory (MRAM).

Oleg Izumrovov, a Russian computer data expert points out further that Russia today “accounts for 80 percent of the market of sapphire substrates – thin plates made of artificial stone, which are used in opto- and microelectronics to build up layers of various materials, for example, silicon. They are used in every processor in the world – AMD and Intel are no exception.” He adds, “Our position is even stronger in the special chemistry of etching chips using ultra-pure components. Russia accounts for 100 percent of the world’s supply of various rare earths used for these purposes.”
Not to mention Russia is the world’s second largest producer of Nickel and of aluminum.

As Washington continuously escalates sanctions against Russia it is only a matter of weeks before these supply chain links impact global and USA inflation to a degree not seen in recent memory.[.]

UREA>>>
Global urea export volume 2019, by country

Dec 17, 2021 ... In 2019, Russia was by far the world's largest exporter of urea, at 6.98 million metric tons. Qatar followed, with more than 5.6 million ...
https://www.nationmaster.com/nmx/ranking/urea-fertilizer-production

+ + + + +
Forget Iran and India. Iran is sanctioned. India, Indonesia consumes their production. Pakistan is on the outs with the Emperor and nevertheless keeps its production for grains.

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 6 2022 16:38 utc | 20

@Posted by: aquileia | Apr 6 2022 16:13 utc | 13

Not saying so could mean an instant and painful death.

Posted by: Steve | Apr 6 2022 16:40 utc | 21

@ostro...

Nazism should be as unwelcome here as it’s becoming in Mariupol.

Posted by: line islands | Apr 6 2022 16:11 utc | 10

I disagree on the following basis:
1. Free speech is to be encouraged not censored
2. There is nothing "Nazi" about the writing, it advocates authoritarianism perhaps, which is a predictable outcome of interstate conflict, and not just of military sort.

A quick refresher on Free Speech from Christopher Hitchens...
https://vimeo.com/231459152

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 6 2022 16:46 utc | 22

“Latvia and Lithuania thinking about closing their borders with Russia and Belarus.”

Blockading Kaliningrad by land would violate Russian agreements with the E.U. and be close to an act of war. If those countries are dense enough to do it, they may cease to exist and in short order.

Posted by: line islands | Apr 6 2022 16:49 utc | 23

There is a quad-nexus of Zionism at work to destroy Ukraine. US/UK and Israel/Ukraine junta. Their goal for the last decade has been to establish Israel 2.0 in Ukraine using the same tactics as Syria. The Azov are the tool of disruption just like ISIS. Zelensky said Ukraine is to become “ a big Israel” rt.com
Russia must work to destroy the Zionist nexus.

Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 6 2022 16:50 utc | 24

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 6 2022 16:25 utc | 17

They`re asking for Maryupol 2.0, after all the main purpose for 1.0 was a land corridor to Crimea, same thing will happen to Kaliningrad if they keep on fooling around.

Posted by: Paco | Apr 6 2022 16:51 utc | 25

The U.S. is in full hair-on-fire mode throwing everything against the wall. Ned Price, State Department spokesman in Brussels after imposing sanctions on Putin's and Lavrov's children:

This is about what's in our national interests; it's about what's in the interests of the Ukrainian people and making it very clear to Vladimir Putin that he has a choice to make...bla-bla-bla... a Russia that is facing already a strategic defeat. There is no question that whenever and however this conflict ends, Russia will be weaker, Russia will be poorer....bla-bla. -end of U.S. rant.

▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎

Tyutchev:

Умом Россию не понять,
Аршином общим не измерить:
У ней особенная стать —
В Россию можно только верить.

I believe. Do you?

Posted by: Circe | Apr 6 2022 16:52 utc | 26

Poll: 95% of Ukrainians believe Ukraine will win the war...

Posted by: aquileia | Apr 6 2022 16:13 utc | 13

In the summary, the phrase: "Audience: the population of Ukraine aged 18 and older in all oblasts, except for the temporarily occupied territories of the Crimea and Donbas.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 6 2022 16:53 utc | 27

Big shit:

Wikipedia Italian pages of Azov battalion and Odessa massacre has been totally rewrote. Many crucial informations have been removed and they become shorter, with less sources and smoky.

Posted by: S. | Apr 6 2022 16:55 utc | 28

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 6 2022 16:46 utc | 21


I disagree on the following basis:
1. Free speech is to be encouraged not censored

Oh really? To what extent am I free to rail against the Jews and quote paragraphs from The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion?

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 6 2022 16:55 utc | 29

Posted by: ostro | Apr 6 2022 15:38 utc | 2

Great stuff. Thanks

Posted by: 4 Umbrellas East | Apr 6 2022 16:55 utc | 30

@24 Strangely enough there is a town in Lithuania called Marijampolė. About halfway between Minsk and Kaliningrad.

Posted by: dh | Apr 6 2022 16:57 utc | 31

james #3

Despite its length and the fact it's a machine translation, the text posted by ostro #2 is well worth reading and an absolutely scathing Russian view of the Empire of Lies' imminent demise. Personally, I prefer ostro's reposting to having to open a link which may not work and may have a text in Russian whose interest I can't even evaluate. I am also too lazy and useless to use Google Translate. Thank you, ostro!

Posted by: B. Wildered | Apr 6 2022 16:58 utc | 32

Posted by: Piepenbrink | Apr 6 2022 14:30 utc | 577
(also for this thread)

Thanx for this very important text of GL Reshetnikov.
It explains a lot!

1. NATO tracking smartphones to target civilians.
2. RF fighting against C&C, military reconnaissance, early detection and strategy of the USA
3. The Ukro forces see the battlefield as the Empire of Looting and Lies wants them to see it.
4. The Ukro Forces will never surrender, as would every normal defeated army.
5. Russia is fighting remote led nazi zombi battalions.

Posted by: njet | Apr 6 2022 16:59 utc | 33

Replying to Arch Bungle @ 598, previous thread

Yes, Brzezinski and his pamphlet are important. The Grand Chessboard has long been required reading at the Pickering School, attended by all new State Department employees (except of course senior appointees who may be as ignorant as they wish). Brzezinski himself was minor nobility from Berezhany, Ukraine. The town is located about 50km from Lviv.

The Grand Chessboard makes Ukraine the most important and most pivotal location on the planet because that is where the author came from. Everyone with any sense knows to never listen to political views of expats. Except in America, where we were all born yesterday.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 6 2022 17:01 utc | 34

Last week Caitlin Johnstone commented on the new 2022 Pentagon’s NDS:

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/01/caitlin-johnstone-the-target-is-china/

Despite recent events, China is still public enemy number 1. This seems a bit disrespectful for Russia. I think most impartial observers would agree that Russia has done more than enough to earn the numero uno spot. It really looks a like a deliberate calculated slight, a way of saying: “You dont matter that much. Your Ukraine operations dont impress us.” Anyways, I’m sure future historians will do justice to the current Russian campaign and recognize the major tactical innovations involved in the operations.

Secondly, Caitlin Johnstone quotes Hillary Clinton herself on the monumental blunder of failing to separate Russia from China:

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told the Bloomberg New Economy Forum last year that she’d “heard for years that Russia would become more willing to move toward the west, more willing to engage in a positive way with Europe, the U.K., the U.S., because of problems on its border, because of the rise of China."

There you have it from the mouths of the decision makers. Russia had nowhere else to go. They could be treated like shit, they would have to come back to the West begging. The Russians were supposed to behave like normal white folks, be filled with dread and hate at the sight of the rise of the Yellow Peril. Why has that not materialized? What’s wrong with the Russians?

Posted by: Robert Macaire | Apr 6 2022 17:03 utc | 35

I forgot to say so, but it looks like Russia is finished, kaput, down the drain. New Zealand has tightened its trade sanctions, imposing 35% duty on Russian imports and banned the export of computers and something else. They're also going to supply the Ukrainian army with things like socks and gloves or whatever. That's Freedom and Democracy in action for you. It's curtains for Putin.

Posted by: B. Wildered | Apr 6 2022 17:05 utc | 36

Posted by: Sushi | Apr 6 2022 16:05 utc | 7
Posted by: james | Apr 6 2022 16:34 utc | 19

Sushi's descriptions also reminded me of the methods used in the supposed poisonous gas attacks in Syria a few years ago. The successful fooling of the public then may have encouraged this latest episode.

I think that the more widely such actions can be discredited, the less likely we'll see similar shenanigans in the future.

Posted by: farm ecologist | Apr 6 2022 17:10 utc | 37

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 6 2022 16:46 utc | 21

2. There is nothing "Nazi" about the writing, it advocates authoritarianism perhaps, which is a predictable outcome of interstate conflict, and not just of military sort.

What do you think about this passage?
Or, to use a phrase more in line to your liberal soul: how do you feel about this passage?
Nobody cares about Ukraine. Ukraine is just a place where Russia decided to fight Europe. Do not wait until they come to us, but finally implement the concept of "little bloodshed in foreign territory." It’s a pity for the crests, but they themselves are to blame - they really wanted to serve the Eurogays, and now they did.

Is it OK to hold this views and to say something like that?

Posted by: hopehely | Apr 6 2022 17:11 utc | 38

For those who wanted the source for:
Posted by: ostro | Apr 6 2022 15:38 utc | 2

It is Олег Макаренко (olegmakarenko.ru) and the original text is here...

https://olegmakarenko.ru/2389826.html

Наслаждайтесь оригиналом ;-)

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 6 2022 17:12 utc | 39

Oh really? To what extent am I free to rail against the Jews and quote paragraphs from The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion? Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 6 2022 16:55 utc | 28

We all understand that that is not allowed in certain jurisdictions by government legislation and/or big tech censorship. But there are forums where it is allowed.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 6 2022 17:15 utc | 40

Gleb Bazov has been a vital source of news and analysis on Twitter, and b has linked to his tweets before.

Here is video footage of deceased Bucha 'civilian defenders' (armed combatants by Zelensky regime) being dumped into a grave on March 12, 2022.

https://twitter.com/gbazov/status/1511727185257762821

It has geolocation markers, revealing it as the site recently 'uncovered', i.e. the false flag 'discovery'.

Bazov concludes that the dead are militia members (civilians armed by Zelensky regime after war began, making them combatants) and Ukrainian citizens 'cleansed' by Ukraine forces after Russia's withdrawal. Case closed.

Scott Ritter was suspended from Twitter today.

Posted by: wilbur | Apr 6 2022 17:21 utc | 41

As proven, sanctions, like the jab don't work, they usually backfire or you get sick, hence more sanctions and more booster jabs. We're living in a clown world.

Posted by: Hannibal | Apr 6 2022 17:25 utc | 42

As proven, sanctions, like the jab don't work, they usually backfire or you get sick, hence more sanctions and more booster jabs. We're living in a clown world.

Posted by: Hannibal | Apr 6 2022 17:25 utc | 43

line islands | Apr 6 2022 16:49 utc | 22


“Latvia and Lithuania thinking about closing their borders with Russia and Belarus.”

Blockading Kaliningrad by land would violate Russian agreements with the E.U. and be close to an act of war. If those countries are dense enough to do it, they may cease to exist and in short order.


You can also reach Kaliningrad by Poland.

Posted by: Wim | Apr 6 2022 17:26 utc | 44

james | Apr 6 2022 15:50 utc | 3
line islands | Apr 6 2022 16:11 utc | 10
and others

ostro's text (#2) is neither nazi nor too long.
Are you illiterates?
It is a Russian PoV statement, to which most barflies might agree.
Anyway I don't think it will come as ostro predicts it. Lets not underestimate the Empire of Lootings and Lies and their brutal creativity.
The blockade of Kaliningrad could be such a thing.

Posted by: njet | Apr 6 2022 17:26 utc | 45

Ostro #2
B.Wildered #31

Very long, but gold and an excellent ,sarcastic and truthful view of the West’s malice and hypocrisy .

Please let there be video of fire, smoke and dust emanating from those long train convoys of Czech tanks. Russia should collect the smashed tanks as scrap metal and recast it into more ammunition to shoot back at the lapdogs of NATOEUUSIS, like Czechia and Poland.

Posted by: Brother Ma | Apr 6 2022 17:27 utc | 46

What do you think about this passage? Or, to use a phrase more in line to your liberal soul: how do you feel about this passage?

Nobody cares about Ukraine. Ukraine is just a place where Russia decided to fight Europe. Do not wait until they come to us, but finally implement the concept of "little bloodshed in foreign territory." It’s a pity for the crests, but they themselves are to blame - they really wanted to serve the Eurogays, and now they did.

Is it OK to hold this views and to say something like that?
Posted by: hopehely | Apr 6 2022 17:11 utc | 37

His opinion is his opinion and he is entitled to hold it. Would you suggest a re-education camp to cure him of that opinion? Perhaps 4 semesters indoctrination at a US Liberal Arts College?

I do not agree with that paragraph, clearly the engineering of this conflict originates in the USA/UK not Europe. Europe is caught in the vise. The relative "gayness" of Europe and Ukraine to Russia is irrelevant to the conflict, unless you are the head of MI-6. ;-)

https://thenewamerican.com/head-of-mi6-invokes-lgbtq-rights-in-remark-meant-to-stir-sentiment-for-ukraine/


Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 6 2022 17:30 utc | 47

doubleposts:
seems as b checking every posting for spam. Good & thanks!
So your comment will take some minutes.
No need to post it twice, if it was confirmed.

Posted by: njet | Apr 6 2022 17:32 utc | 48

B. Wildered | Apr 6 2022 17:05 utc | 35

Late carneval poem?

"Oh really? To what extent am I free to rail against the Jews and quote paragraphs from The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion?"

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 6 2022 16:55 utc | 28

If you do not mind to display yourself as a brainless idiot go on with it. It is impossible to censor farts.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 6 2022 17:32 utc | 49

Who killed Oleg Abramov?

I made a post about this on our Monitor of Massacre Marketing blog. A video was posted on Pro-Ukrainian channels with English subtitles. On the video a Russian-speaking women describes a house-to-house cleansing operation by some military force. See the video and try to figure out when the operation took place and who the killers were?

A terrified 48-year old woman, Irina Abramova stands in front of her house. Behind her are two rescue workers placing a man's body in a black bodybag. The dead man is Irina's husband Oleg Abramov.

On March 5th the Russians came in and shot at the house, telling everyone to come out. "We are Russians, we came to liberate you."

After the family came out, the "Russians" killed the husband.

"They took off his sweatshirt, took him out on the street, forced him to his knees and shot him in the head. And I was interrogated for 3 hours."

The body was lying on the street the whole time (one month) and they only moved him next to the house when they found out that "they" (the Russians) had left.

The first problem with the story is that the body is fresh, with pink hands and skin. It has not been dead for one month.

The house caught fire in the incident. Everything inside was burnt, papers, documents, clothing. Irina and her father complain that they have nothing to wear, except the clothes they had on them. They do not explain how they have managed one month without a house or a change of clothes.

It is clear that Irina Abramova is lying. Her husband cannot have been dead for a month. She is terrified of the people now in control. To save herself she is telling half truths. She is retelling the events as thay happened, but she is changing the date and the perpetrators.

See Who killed Oleg Abramov?

Some additional questions:

  • If the massacre happened already on March 5th, as the witness claims, why was nothing heard about it until four days after the last Russians left Bucha?

  • Did the Russians really have enough forces in the area to do house-to-house cleansing.

  • Why would they target Russian-speakers?

  • What interest would they have in interrogating a local resident for three hours?

The blog also has an other post on the topic by Adam Larson: Towards Understanding the Bucha Massacre

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 6 2022 17:35 utc | 50

Interesting timeline of Bucha events:
https://twitter.com/DerHaidWachst/status/1511595000781590529

Thoughts?

The thread says that on the day when NYT claims there were bodies on the street there was still heavy fighting, and that
Bucha was controlled by the Ukrainians then.

Posted by: Ivan | Apr 6 2022 17:36 utc | 51

Posted by: Circe | Apr 6 2022 16:52 utc | 25

Tyutchev:

Умом Россию не понять,
Аршином общим не измерить:
У ней особенная стать —
В Россию можно только верить.

I believe. Do you?


What happened to good old cranky anti-Putin Circe we knew and loved?
Some Russian hijacked her nick? Or she married a Russian and learned the language in a hurry over pillow? :-D

(This poet is not widely known outside Russia - in my school we did not cover him in literature/Russian language classes.)

Posted by: hopehely | Apr 6 2022 17:40 utc | 52

My posts with some links have failed.

The Coming Global Financial Revolution Russia is following the American Playbook of 1973, by Ellen Brown

No country has successfully challenged the U.S. dollar’s global hegemony—until now. How did this happen and what will it mean?

* The fall of the Petro-Dollar
* The Rise of the Petro-Ruble

https://www.unz.com/article/the-coming-global-financial-revolution-russia-is-following-the-american-playbook/

Posted by: Likklemore | Apr 6 2022 17:52 utc | 53

(This poet is not widely known outside Russia - in my school we did not cover him in literature/Russian language classes.)

Posted by: hopehely | Apr 6 2022 17:40 utc | 51

I was lucky -- mine did! His "Silentium" and "Poslednaya Liubov" are perfect little gems.

And the great irony is that my Russian teacher was . . . Ukrainian. If she were alive today she'd be beyond heartbroken.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 6 2022 17:59 utc | 54

But Russia does opposite! It let English mercenaries escape safely from donesk (Debeltsov enckave) in Feb 2015!

Posted by: Soi | Apr 6 2022 17:44 utc | 52

Yes, this needs to stop. Seeing how Russian soldiers were treated in Syria and now in Ukraine, there should be no special treatment. The ones in Ukraine have blood on their hands while fighting for MONEY. FK-em

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 6 2022 17:59 utc | 55

@S. #27:

Wikipedia Italian pages of Azov battalion and Odessa massacre has been totally rewrote. Many crucial informations have been removed and they become shorter, with less sources and smoky.

You do realize that you can edit Wikipedia, too? You don’t even have to register an account to do that (although registering an account is better in the long term). If you know Italian, go to those pages, click “View history”, identify the white-washing edits (click “Compare selected revisions” to do that), then click “undo”. If the white-washing edits are overlaid with new edits and thus can’t be undone, click “Edit source” instead and bring back the information manually. If you care about the truth, then fight for it!

Posted by: S | Apr 6 2022 18:05 utc | 56

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 6 2022 17:12 utc | 38

For those who wanted the source for:
Posted by: ostro | Apr 6 2022 15:38 utc | 2

It is Олег Макаренко (olegmakarenko.ru) and the original text is here...

https://olegmakarenko.ru/2389826.html

Наслаждайтесь оригиналом ;-)


Thanks for the link.
The original article, however, goes only up to this paragraph:
Perhaps, if the Americans had not been so aggressive, if they had not moved NATO bases to the east, if they had not tirelessly fomented revolutions and civil wars on the territory of the former USSR, their hegemony could have lasted a little longer.

So the second part of the translated article is from somewhere else.

Posted by: hopehely | Apr 6 2022 18:07 utc | 57

Posted by: wilbur | Apr 6 2022 17:21 utc | 40


Thanks for posting the Tweet link indicating that the mass grave promoted by Ukrainian propagandists dates from March 12 and contains the bodies of local militia. I was about to do the same.

This from the Twitter thread:

This is further conclusive proof that #BuchaMassacre alleged by #Zelensky's #Ukraine regime is a sham and a #falseflag⁠—composed of many elements: Civilians executed by Ukraine, mass graves of local militias reported earlier and now misreported as atrocities, etc.

I think the confusing evidence from various dates was already leading to this conclusion, that there were dead bodies and then there were dead bodies -- some from militia deaths, some from shelling, some from revenge executions. Pasting all of this into a single "massacre" narrative by the Ukrainians is proving a challenge and the discrepancies inside that one narrative are sure to weaken its structure. But, then, of course -- who asks questions or cares about consistency in the West?


Posted by: Emily Dickinson | Apr 6 2022 18:10 utc | 58

Scott Ritter has just been banned by Twitter

Posted by: Alex | Apr 6 2022 18:28 utc | 59

🇺🇦🇷🇺⚡Ukrainian troops have mined a storage facility with 120 tonnes of chlorine in the city of Pervomaiskyi, Kharkiv region as part of a provocation against Moscow, the Russian Defense Ministry says.

The Ukrainian army is planning to blow the facility up and then blame Russia, the ministry explained.

Posted by: Marcus | Apr 6 2022 18:30 utc | 60

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2022 15:50 utc | 3

James,what a fuken arrogant comment.
read it,it may help you understand the Russian perspective, towards the American arrogance.

Posted by: Kim | Apr 6 2022 18:34 utc | 61

Ostro, a wunderful piece of analytical geopolitical information. Well put and it has humor too. I loved it. Thank you for publishing and the intelligent originator for writing.

Posted by: DutchZ | Apr 6 2022 18:37 utc | 62

lol... b himself encourages posters to not make long comments.... but hey - that makes me arrogant, lolol... kim - you are more ignorant then i give you credit for..

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2022 18:40 utc | 63

@ostro, #2:

Wow! This is an exemplar piece of robot translation. I assume it was translated from Cyrillic. Beautifully composed, articulated, and incisive.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 6 2022 18:40 utc | 64

An Anti-Ukraine Meme Gets A Fact Check

Posted by: Will | Apr 6 2022 18:45 utc | 65

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 6 2022 17:35 utc | 49

Also,the Russians did not occupy Bucha on March 5 th.

Posted by: Kim | Apr 6 2022 18:47 utc | 66

I made a list of the Bucha massacre victims on our research wiki. There are at least seven different groups of victims; each needs to be investigated separately. The numbers for each group are approximate.

  • ~50 defenders of Ukraine buried in a mass grave at a churchyard on March 12. This may include civilian "Volkssturm", who were handed out weapons.

  • ~10 suspected collaborators executed at a location that may have been responsible for distributing humanitarian aid.

  • ~5 suspected collaborators executed in a cellar.

  • ~20 civilians killed by shelling on Yabluska Street with bodies not recovered until April 2nd. NYT investigation says the bodies appeared on satellite images around March 11th and March 19th.

  • 2 likely execution victims planted on Yabluska Street among the shelling victims. The two men may have been executed on site or the bodies may have been moved there.

  • A family of three, a village head and her husband and son, allegedly executed by Russians.

  • Two women give video testimony that their husbands were executed in a cleansing operation. On the Ukrainian videos the women say the men were executed by "Russians", but other evidence indicates the cleansing operation happened after the Russians had left.

Ukrainian claims include "410 victims" and "Russians executed all men between the ages of 16 and 60". No bodies or other proof has been presented for these numbers.

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 6 2022 18:49 utc | 67

@ ostro

Yeah, I agree.

Posted by: Harry | Apr 6 2022 18:52 utc | 68

Sorry! I've got nothing to contribute actively, but to the people who bothered to read my rant about German satire show "Die Anstalt" roughly a month ago (how time flies): Here is their most recent episode from yesterday the 5th of April, and it shows some signs of self-reflection (except the very last bit of the show, where the unfortunate hosts seem to realize how destructive nuclear weapons are for the first time in their lives. Just wait until someone tells them how many nations have some!).

You can even freely download the video which still isn't possible for their last episode. Conspiracy on: maybe they were out to provoke back in March :D

Thank you b and all the barflies for contributing to this indeed very unique blog

Posted by: pachinko | Apr 6 2022 18:53 utc | 69

Some questions re. the killings in Bucha. There are eye-witnesses who claim to have seen Russian troops shooting civilians...do you think these accounts are "fake" and, if so, how do you know? I haven't looked into how credible these claims are but invading armies killing and raping civilians is as old as warfare itself. Surely you must at some level know that Russia isn't uniquely good or exceptional when it comes to conducting war?

No doubt there are plenty of lies circulating but it's a bit of a stretch to think that every action or event that makes Russia look bad is "fake" or a false flag. It probably comes from a psychological need to avoid anxiety and disillusionment by believing that the world isn't completely terrible, that there are "good guys" who provide a positive counterpoint to American and NATO nefariousness.

Posted by: Scapegoat | Apr 6 2022 19:00 utc | 70

An important document that provides decent factual history.

The authors credentials are given at the end.

https://www.thepostil.com/the-military-situation-in-the-ukraine/?utm_source=sendfox&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-postil-april-newsletter

Posted by: Butties | Apr 6 2022 19:03 utc | 71

@ostro, #2:

.....and since the West clearly will not begin to think about its behavior until it suffers a full-fledged, devastating defeat.

Yes, a full-fledged, devastation defeat is the only wake-up call the West will hear to wake up. Is this call chiming now? If not, will it chime before 2025? 2030? I'd like to hear its sound before I pass away.

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 6 2022 19:10 utc | 72

Given the direction events are heading, I wonder what Shoigu and his General Staff have planned to deal with an attempt to isolate Kaliningrad and thus de-NATOfy Poland and the Baltics? IMO, the Anglo-American obsession to destroy Russia and all things Russian will engulf much of Europe in a very destructive war since Russia is very unlikely to be as nice and respectful of civilians as it has in Syria and Ukraine because the war will now be 100% existential whereas now we're not at the point yet. And if it does come to that, how soon do hypersonics impact Washington DC and London where the Main Evil lives? Indeed, maybe the thing for Russia to do is to target them now and leave Europe alone and deal with it once its Masters are destroyed?

Now don't misinterpret me; I still want to avoid a wider war. But the direction of escalation is pointing the other way. I also very much doubt that the Neoliberal Parasites have thought they might be attacked first instead of Europe in general. As we know well, the Europeans are no more than Proles/Pawns in this affair with the Evil Directors sitting outside Eurasia. Why kill millions first and only then kill the Evil Directors; why not reverse the process so those many millions are spared? If the goal is to spare civilian casualties, then decapitation of the Evil Masters is surly the proper decision.

I wonder if the EU idiots have pondered the essence of the above paragraph? Their current actions say they haven't. Same with the Evil in London and Washington. Too many seem to approach this crisis as if it's some sort of video game that can be reset or exited before any calamity occurs. I'm here to tell them this is DEADLY REALITY far worse than October 1962. Many don't seem to realize that if you back the Nazis you become the Nazis for you legitimize their EVIL. So, that's what we now have--A Nazi Outlaw Anglo and US Empire with EuroNazi & NATONazi accomplices.

Several weeks ago I opined this might become the Second Great Patriotic War, and so it seems that's now on the threshold.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 6 2022 19:10 utc | 73

Posted by: ostro | Apr 6 2022 15:38 utc | 2
Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 6 2022 17:12 utc | 38

Yes, big thanks to ostro for posting that article and I also appreciate the link to the original.
I went to the original and opened all the links there with no problem. They are in Chinese but the
overall message comes thru loud and clear -It's over West!

"Wenzhou is a small town, a backwater... 9.5 million people... almost a village."
lol - My town...65 grand...too big for me...just a dot.

btw, I did some wandering around on the site of author Oleg Makarenko. Very interesting, even if you need translation as I do.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 6 2022 19:15 utc | 74

Read my comments #609, #614 and #620 in a previous thread, explaining how the fist-to-heart gesture used by Azov and other Ukrainian Nazis is really just a shorthand for the infamous Nazi salute.

Posted by: S | Apr 6 2022 19:21 utc | 75

@ostro, #2:

History teaches that it does not teach anyone anything.

I disagree with this statement. History taught China the lesson of humiliation over the previous 150 years, and China learned it earnestly. History taught Russia the lesson of naiveté and Russia painfully learned and recovered. Some lessons are learned. How long they stay in one's memory is dependent on the ones themselves.

Let's hope China and Russia will soon team up to shape a world that would keep these painful lessons learned for a long time!

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 6 2022 19:23 utc | 76

Scapegoat | Apr 6 2022 19:00 utc | 70

"Some questions re. the killings in Bucha. There are eye-witnesses who claim to have seen Russian troops shooting civilians...do you think these accounts are "fake" and, if so, how do you know?"

In this SMO the Russians have no prior record of alleged shooting of civilians, nor do they have any motive to do so. By contrast the Ukronazis clearly have been shooting and otherwise torturing and murdering civilians since the first days of the war, have often proclaimed their intent to kill alleged collaborators (including as they were entering Bucha), and in a sick way this makes sense, since terrorizing the populace is all they have left.

Plus the day after the Russians left the mayor of Bucha proclaimed the town liberated and the Russians gone yet didn't say a word about shootings.

"invading armies killing and raping civilians is as old as warfare itself. Surely you must at some level know that Russia isn't uniquely good or exceptional when it comes to conducting war?"

Not uniquely good, but by all accounts well disciplined, professional, doing things by the book. Otherwise they wouldn't be adhering so scrupulously to orders to pull their punches anywhere civilians or civilian infrastructure is in the firing line.

"I haven't looked into how credible these claims are"

Obviously.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 6 2022 19:27 utc | 77

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 6 2022 19:23 utc | 76

Neoliberals are impervious to both history and definitions.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 6 2022 19:27 utc | 78

I am online long enough to have seen the rise and fall of countless social media platforms. Ppl go where they find information. Unregulated Twitter back eg in 2014 had those information about the Donbass war. You could find LDNR and Ukrainian information and judge for yourself what was true and what was propaganda. This was true for the Syrian war as well, until I left Twitter in 2020 for good.

But since Twitter isnt allowing the free flow of information anymore, the entire platform becomes a narrative creation machine for the West, ie propaganda. And ppl dont seek that, they want unfiltered news, photos and videos. Telegram has that.

My guess is that ppl will jump ship to Telegram while Twitter will become irrelevant for breaking news. Under authoritarian regimes, ppl know how to read the official news paper. That will be Twitter and Telegram will be for the real underground news everybody wants to see that they can check against what is missing from Twitter.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 6 2022 19:28 utc | 79

Russia should add Israel to the list of unfriendly countries and include them in all counter sanctions. This would hasten a negotiated settlement. As it stands now, Israel is staying on the sidelines, seemingly uninvolved, and not sharing in any of the adverse consequences that the people of the EU and US will be experiencing. Yet Israel has been a perpetual belligerent in the ME and elsewhere for decades.

Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 6 2022 19:37 utc | 80

Scott Ritter was suspended on Twitter and has moved to Telegram
https://t.me/ScottRitter

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 6 2022 19:46 utc | 81

Don't know if it has been posted on a previous thread but the latest from Cynthia Chung on the history of the Ukrainian Nationalist Movement deserve a re post anyway:

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2022/04/04/how-ukrainian-nationalist-movement-post-wwii-was-bought-and-paid-for-by-cia/

Posted by: malamatias | Apr 6 2022 19:48 utc | 82

Posted by: Oriental Voice | Apr 6 2022 19:23 utc | 76

You are spot on.

Problem is that the current political class in the West simply disregards history, thinking that Fukuyama was right. Lets just take Von der Leyen. She's not even capable of thinking,

"German Defense Minister Ursula von der Leyen can keep her doctorate despite “obvious flaws” in her dissertation, a university panel investigating plagiarism allegations said Wednesday.

The decision by the Medical University of Hanover removes a threat to von der Leyen’s job — a fate previously suffered by two of Angela Merkel’s cabinet ministers, who had faced the same accusations.

Vroniplag Wiki, a blog dedicated to uncovering plagiarism in academic publications, last year put out an analysis of von der Leyen’s 1991 dissertation, alleging that up to 12 percent was plagiarized.

The 57-year-old defense minister, who has also served as family minister and labor minister, denied the allegations and asked the university to re-examine the dissertation."

https://www.politico.eu/article/german-defense-minister-ursula-von-der-leyento-keep-her-doctorate-dissertation-plagiarism-allegations/

Using my "Double-Speak Dictionary", she plagiarized 88% of the "work". And these are the so called "leaders" of the EU.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 6 2022 19:49 utc | 83

Where are the counter sanctions?
When the USSR was invaded by the Germans in 1941, Russian supply trains were still running towards Berlin, sent as agreed by the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.
Will the same mistakes be repeated again? Why send gas to the Baltic dwarves? Regardless of whether you pay in rubles, gold or whatever, it's not worth it. Let them die without energy.
And so is Polonia, that noisy, cocky Chihuahua.
Whatever Russia does, it will always be guilty. Ever!
If Russia takes care to avoid suffering and hostage losses, she will be caught in any false flag operation; if she seeks to treat surrendered soldiers observing the Geneva Convention, the enemies gouge out the eyes of captured Russian soldiers and kill them with shots in the groin with the complacency and applause of the West.
The old senile SOB calls for the assassination of Putin and a Color Revolution and all is well?
I think this has already crossed, and a lot, of all limits.

Sorry guys, but I'm on edge with this situation; sick and tired of hearing this s*** in the western press.

Posted by: SCan | Apr 6 2022 19:50 utc | 84

Posted by: SCan | Apr 6 2022 19:50 utc | 84

Yep, I would start with the Baltic + Poland chihuahuas. Shut them off. No ruble payment, cut off the gas. Give the rest of the EU dogs something to think about.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 6 2022 19:57 utc | 85

@pachinko #69

I used to watch Die Anstalt with a Russian voice-over. Could it be that they decided to make their penultimate episode an unfunny Putin hatefest on purpose as a hint to their audience that they’re not allowed to tell the truth? Or did they really fall for the propaganda?

Speaking of satire, you may like this one by JP Sears: Virtue Signaling About Ukraine!

Posted by: S | Apr 6 2022 20:02 utc | 86

My guess is that ppl will jump ship to Telegram while Twitter will become irrelevant for breaking news. Under authoritarian regimes, ppl know how to read the official news paper. That will be Twitter and Telegram will be for the real underground news everybody wants to see that they can check against what is missing from Twitter.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 6 2022 19:28 utc | 79

Perhaps Elon Musk, who sits on the Board after buying 9.2%, will return Twitter back to an open platform.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 6 2022 20:02 utc | 87

some possible outcome maps tweeted by Anatoly Karlin - https://twitter.com/akarlin0/status/1511644916820197378

with possible ultimate outcomes of the war

a. Ukraine bisected - decisive Russian victory
b. Ukraine Landlocked - Russian victory
c. Novorossiya created - Pyric Russian Victory
d. Liberated LDNR - Pyric Ukrainian Victory
e. Feb 2022 borders - Ukrainian Victory
f. Feb 2014 borders (LDNR Occupied) - Decisive Ukrainian victory

what are your estimates of the odds of each of these outcomes ??

My thoughts

My odds of these outcomes
a. 20%
b. 35%
c. 40%
d. 5%
e. zero
f. zero

Posted by: Aslangeo | Apr 6 2022 20:14 utc | 88

Perhaps Elon Musk, who sits on the Board after buying 9.2%, will return Twitter back to an open platform.

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 6 2022 20:02 utc | 87


A sociopathic parasite on the US budget, including the US military budget, will be a beacon of freedom for Empire-dissenting facts and opinions? Think again.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 6 2022 20:14 utc | 89

I say thank you ostro for your providing the Dimitri Medvedev post on the previous Pentagon/Bucha thread #443.It did not get any comments but I recommend re-reading.

Posted by: willie | Apr 6 2022 20:15 utc | 90

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2022 16:34 utc | 19


was the west discredited with all the false flags in syria? answer - no.... how about obama turning a blind eye to ISIS? same deal...

But what were the domestic Canadian effects arising from Syria? PetroCanada sold off its Syrain assets prior to the conflict. Beyond that no known impact. ISIS was a source of conflict porn but domestic effects? Zip. Nada.

The present conflict is expected to have a significant range of effects. Some may be positive such as increased demand for tar sands production. Some may be negative such as a jump in NG prices (although this will likely provoke increased drilling activity). I expect western populations may experience significant impacts (the UK is already experiencing these). Food price increases, further supply chain disruptions, slow economic growth, job losses, national debt problems. I think citizens will feel the pocketbook effects and seek to understand what caused the problem. CBC will have difficulty delivering its daily gloss on events or sweeping things under the rug.

Posted by: Sushi | Apr 6 2022 20:16 utc | 91

@2, ostro,

Thanks, great insight despite your cultural homophobia I appreciate it. I have the same expectatioms but quote really ups the resolution on wht tht looks like. Stupid, arrogant and greedy, yep, "island of villains" yup- at least those that rule us.

I have not understood why my country is so stupid and evil (I've read-up onnthe history of ehe British Empire, oh yes we're evil, and I suspect- the bad influence on even the Americans.

But perhaps it is time the West received a Russian Eduction as to the nature of reality, of time and space and the laws of physics.

Peace brings weealth, wealth brings arrogance, arrogance brings war, war brings humility, humility brings peace.

Posted by: Lonkal | Apr 6 2022 20:17 utc | 92

I am all with you Karlof1.
Russia should not wait any longer.Hit The City of London,Buckingham Palace,White House and Congres,Pentagon,Langley,Brussels NATO headquarters,and Brussels EU Building.Vatican City.No regrets,no warning,most evil doers will be dead ,and their minions out of power,whilst the citizens of the targeted cities and countries will have one Aha-Erlebnis after another, and may start thinking about how to build a society.

Posted by: willie | Apr 6 2022 20:25 utc | 93

Critical reading basics. When a persona writes and posts something completely out of character it is perfectly reasonable to have suspicions. It is very difficult to maintain a fictitious persona. Even harder when the persona is managed by multiple employees. In a novel or a play or a screenplay a fictional character can be edited and re-written until author and editor and hopefully reader are satisfied. When working a job in a cubicle farm mistakes will happen. Many posters here give tells. Sometimes someone is just having a bad day and that is not a tell. Many heavy long term posters here are rock solid.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 6 2022 20:30 utc | 94

@87 "Perhaps Elon Musk, who sits on the Board after buying 9.2%, will return Twitter back to an open platform."

Perhaps he will. He did say something about making Twitter's algorithms open source.


https://www.cnbc.com/2022/04/06/jack-dorsey-im-partially-to-blame-for-the-state-of-the-internet.html

Posted by: dh | Apr 6 2022 20:32 utc | 95

There’s a new documentary about the war on Donbass by German filmmaker Wilhelm Domke-Schulz: Leben und Sterben im Donbass (unfortunately, only a version with German subtitles is available at the moment).

Posted by: S | Apr 6 2022 20:36 utc | 96

willie | Apr 6 2022 20:25 utc | 93
any attempt, successful or not, to do as you and karlof1 suggest would result in the nuclear annihilation of us all in very short order.

"nuke the site from orbit! it's the only way to be sure." ("Aliens"). I understand the sentiment completely. sometimes you wanna kill a man and sometimes you want to nuclear hypersonic a bitch. just don't forget the "Doomsday device" they've already put in place, cuz the USM surely does not need the pentagon or any portion of Washington DC to nuke Moscow. After London or whatever were attacked, there would be one and only thought: revenge. not restraint, only revenge. and adios world.

why not a very public but non-lethal demonstration? not something on youtube that western bootlickers will claim is fake.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 6 2022 20:37 utc | 97

Posted by: Scapegoat | Apr 6 2022 19:00 utc | 70
"There are eye-witnesses who claim to have seen Russian troops shooting civilians[...]"
"[...]invading armies killing and raping civilians is as old as warfare itself."

I'm not all that sure if it's really necessary to point it out, since you should be able to think that up yourself, but "eye-witnesses" are worth shit in an environment as life threatening as there. Anyone stepping in front of a camera and saying anything else than he is supposed to makes himself a target. And of course no-one can expect them to be neutral. I don't know how law is handled in your country, but in Germany for example, if you have a car crash and your only witness is the one who was in your passenger seat, his statement doesn't count as neutral, if at all. The reason is that real neutral observers (judges in this case) simply can never really fully grasp the nature of your relationship to this passenger and therefore will never know the intention of the witness.

The second thing: your statement seems true if we look upon history. But most, if not all invading armies of the past had the outspoken goal to overwhelm the enemy by any means necessary, and random killings and rapings were means to that end, demoralizing the civilians and discourageing their support for the enemy. However: that is not the goal of the Russian operation, the goal is demilitarization and denazification. And as far as I know, orders have been given from the commander in chief to spare civilians wherever and whenever possible. In any army of the world, orders have to be met by the soldiers no matter what. Disregarding or mocking orders would have harsh consequences, up to the death penalty, depending on the gravity of the offense. Unless you believe VVP himself told the world one thing, but secretely told his top army staff to "go kill whatever is in your way, this is my real order", your statement doesn't apply at the moment. And unless you believe that Russians ARE the barbarian hordes from the eastern plains the western media tries to paint them as - then all my typing here would be in vain. But contrary to most of my fellow Europeans I believe that Russians in general ar more honourable than we are and keep their word, and stand by it. But that is only MY PERSONAL believe and could of course be wishful thinking.

I will, however, not rule out that Russian soldiers from time to time disregard orders and take revenge, especially when one or several of their comrads just have been killed. Thus is the dynamic of war, and is inevitable. That's the whole reason why there shouldn't be any war anywhere in the first place, because at some point it always spirals into a malstroem of revenge and retaliation where it becomes meaningless to ask who's fault it is or who shot first. Maybe one day wars will be entirely fought by robots or just virtually, damaging only material or digital goods. Until then human suffering is inevitable as soon as the first shot falls. And in this case I'm pretty sure the first shots were fired about 8 years ago, give or take, and not by the Russian side.

So, if your concerns were serious, I guess I gave you some answers. If it was a trolling attempt, still a nice opportunity for me to transform my thoughts into written word, and publicly even.

One more thing: the timing of the Bucha massacre/staging seems impeccable. With our short attention spans in the west, and the accustoming to (media) scandals/crises over the last decades, the upset and outrage of the masses steeply decreases over the course of 4 to 6 weeks, if not earlier. From a PR point of view, the incident was extremely relevant and necessary to halt this decrease and pull back doubters of the narrative - managing the narrative is the main task of StratCom (strategic communication). This point alone is enough for me to be convinced that it can't be true, at least not to the extend the media tries to make us believe.

Posted by: xototox | Apr 6 2022 20:39 utc | 98

A sociopathic parasite on the US budget, including the US military budget, will be a beacon of freedom for Empire-dissenting facts and opinions? Think again.
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 6 2022 20:14 utc | 89


Elon has been quite outspoken about the banning of many accounts, most notably Joe Rogan. He has stated he intends to make changes.

https://www.rsbnetwork.com/news/elon-musk-hints-at-big-changes-coming-for-twitter-after-joining-board-of-directors/

Posted by: Opport Knocks | Apr 6 2022 20:39 utc | 99

@73 karlof1

Well put.

Throughout the cold war, there were several "great" films regarding the possible reality of nuclear exchange with Russia.

Along with "The Day After," "Threads," and "Wargames," there is "Countdown to Looking Glass" which is very well done in its portrayal of ongoing escalation between the superpowers.

The format of the film used a national newscast to narrate the ongoing escalation with those producing the news opining on a personal level during off-air time their creeping and unbearable anxiety as the great event comes to culmination.

It's a very sobering film and, I am sad to say, analogous to the current situation in Ukraine, where the only "wild cards" in play currently is VPP's limited goals and ambitions with regards to resolving this issue and the domestic push from Nationalists at home who are not buying the Ukraine BS and who are fed up with our government.

But wrt my fellows at home, I echo the sentiment from Patroklos of being crestfallen at my countrymen.

But the economic stagflationary reality incoming might put further pressure towards a mass redpilling event.

Regardlesz, perhaps those two variables create an even greater powder keg. As I have said before, the empire is caught in a pincer: at home by domestic terrorists and abroad by the evil violator in Russia.

Lord have mercy.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 6 2022 20:42 utc | 100

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