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April 2, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-39
Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …
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A must read! Posted by: Olivier | Apr 3 2022 14:46 utc | 301 @ 277 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 14:52 utc | 302 @ 277, 302 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 14:58 utc | 303 Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 14:52 utc | 302 Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 3 2022 15:02 utc | 304 The capital of California is no bed of roses either. . .”Downtown Sacramento Shooting: 6 dead, at least 10 injured” Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 15:08 utc | 306 I’ll add my voice to the chorus of those expressing regret at RSH’s announced intention to depart from the scene. Posted by: malenkov | Apr 3 2022 15:30 utc | 307 About Bucha massacre. Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 3 2022 15:46 utc | 308 Richard, I suspect the main change nobody has picked up on earlier is what I mentioned earlier – the effect of the last eight years of anti Russia propaganda on the Ukrainian population. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 3 2022 16:00 utc | 309 Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 14:52 utc | 302 Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:10 utc | 310 @ RSH, 210
==== Well done, man! You are displaying quite a lot of intellectual discipline by acknowledging what you don’t, and likely can’t know at this point, and you’re smart enough to allocate scarce resources to what you can control, and lastly, to keep tabs on Nuke Likelihood as the core aspect that really, truly affects you. Nice work. Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Apr 3 2022 16:19 utc | 311 Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:10 utc | 310 Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 3 2022 16:28 utc | 312 Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:10 utc | 310 Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 3 2022 16:30 utc | 313 @ 307 Posted by: crone | Apr 3 2022 16:36 utc | 314 Hi, Posted by: crone | Apr 3 2022 16:45 utc | 315 watcher | Apr 3 2022 14:15 utc | 293 Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | Apr 3 2022 16:49 utc | 316 The movement of troops away from won positions in the North is being justified by this comment to be due to need of WATER in the Donetsk region. Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:50 utc | 317 Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:10 utc | 310 Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 3 2022 16:52 utc | 318 To my comment above. Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:54 utc | 319 Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 3 2022 16:52 utc | 318 Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:58 utc | 320 Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:58 utc | 320 Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 3 2022 17:21 utc | 321 My take on sentiment of Ukrainian population: Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 3 2022 17:53 utc | 322 At David 114. Perhaps removing language absolutes from your questioning will provide better results? To those among us sharing differences absolutes trend towards making things punchy, no? Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 3 2022 17:55 utc | 323 Reuters is showing that there is a major propaganda effort underway internationally about what I will call for now, the myth of Bucha. Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 3 2022 19:12 utc | 324 @ChasingGlowies 277, 302, 303,304,308,310, 312,313,318, Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 19:27 utc | 325 Russia requested a meeting of the UN Security Council for Monday, April 4, in connection with the “blatant provocation of Ukrainian radicals” in the Ukrainian city of Bucha. This was stated by the Deputy Russian Chairman at the organization Dmitry Polyansky. Posted by: FZappa | Apr 3 2022 19:45 utc | 326 @ Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 19:27 utc | 325 with the list of reliable sources for Bucha information…./snark Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 3 2022 19:48 utc | 327 This should be the interview with the mayor of Bucha on April 1 on the channel “Ukraine 24” Posted by: FZappa | Apr 3 2022 19:59 utc | 328 Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 19:27 utc | 325 Posted by: Laurence | Apr 3 2022 20:06 utc | 329 It’s not just Western “liberals”; it’s Westerners—period—with few exceptions. Posted by: malenkov | Apr 3 2022 20:18 utc | 330 Small variation on librul’s version of the Niemöller’s poem: Posted by: bottle | Apr 3 2022 20:25 utc | 331 Totally agree malenkov … Posted by: njet | Apr 3 2022 20:32 utc | 332 Sorry many of you here but calling me a troll for seeing at is is, not as you want it to be is downright stupid, and makes you part of the problem. The hubris shown by so many on this site is as stupid as that of the pro-western press, Russia is losing etc, etc. Posted by: watcher | Apr 3 2022 21:36 utc | 333 A must read! Posted by: K | Apr 3 2022 22:21 utc | 334 Personally I am guessing, that one of the saddest people in all this is Lavrov. Posted by: Olivier | Apr 3 2022 22:32 utc | 335 Posted by: Olivier | Apr 3 2022 22:32 utc | 335 Posted by: watcher | Apr 3 2022 22:55 utc | 336 I don’t think it will be clear until the developing economies have achieved a basic level of prosperity of the kind that the West has abused and squandered over the past 70 years. Posted by: Olivier | Apr 3 2022 22:55 utc | 337 @ watcher Posted by: malenkov | Apr 3 2022 22:57 utc | 338 I am NOT saying Russia is losing. Try reading what I wrote. Posted by: Olivier | Apr 3 2022 23:04 utc | 339 @336 If there was a miscalculation by Russia it was in thinking the UAF would collapse quickly. It didn’t (yet) mainly because they got so much support from the West in terms of money, weapons and propaganda. I think a lot of people in the West were surprised too. Posted by: dh | Apr 3 2022 23:11 utc | 340 Richard Steven Hack wrote in 8/2014: “Putin has been EXTREMELY FORBEARING by not immediately invading Ukraine and stomping the neo-Nazis flat. Supporting the pro-Russian rebels is the least he could do and he’s done it in the least encroaching manner possible. He has no interest in “invading” or “annexing” a failed state like the Ukraine unless that’s the only way to keep NATO out.” Posted by: Butte Bill | Apr 3 2022 23:12 utc | 341 [Long post] Posted by: SCan | Apr 3 2022 23:55 utc | 342 “Realising we don’t know shit is always a good place to get to in life imo.” Posted by: David F | Apr 4 2022 0:24 utc | 343 Russia did not expect quick capitulation from Kiev, that is stupid to think. Posted by: Haassaan | Apr 4 2022 0:29 utc | 344 Posted by: SCan | Apr 3 2022 23:55 utc | 342
Are you sure this is a translation of his article (he writes in Russian, not English), it does not look like his style. Posted by: hopehely | Apr 4 2022 0:30 utc | 345 K my apologies for not attributing this to you originally. Posted by: David F | Apr 4 2022 1:42 utc | 346 @ David F | Apr 3 2022 3:05 utc | 195 & David F | Apr 4 2022 0:24 utc | 343 Posted by: suzan | Apr 4 2022 1:46 utc | 347 @ David F | Apr 3 2022 3:05 utc | 195 & David F | Apr 4 2022 0:24 utc | 343 Posted by: suzan | Apr 4 2022 1:46 utc | 348 @anyone Posted by: malenkov | Apr 4 2022 1:49 utc | 349 suzan@347 – Posted by: David F | Apr 4 2022 1:59 utc | 350 @ David F | Apr 4 2022 1:59 utc | 349 Posted by: suzan | Apr 4 2022 2:10 utc | 351 @345 hopeheli Posted by: SCan | Apr 4 2022 2:24 utc | 352 ” … flows from comprehending reality as interdependent.” Posted by: David F | Apr 4 2022 2:32 utc | 353 Suzan – Just reread the thread, I misunderstood your original response. Posted by: David F | Apr 4 2022 2:38 utc | 354 This was your original comment. Posted by: David F | Apr 4 2022 2:43 utc | 355 malenkov Posted by: watcher | Apr 4 2022 3:30 utc | 356 @ watcher… i would ignore those who call you a troll… it seems like olivier and you have been involved in a back and forth scuffle.. i have ignored it… once olivier misread a post of mine and came to the wrong conclusion.. i attributed it to a language problem, as i believe english is not his first language.. but they acknowledged their mistake and moved on.. i have had no interaction with you… i have skipped over the back and forth between you and him… i would just say what you want to say and don’t get caught up in what others say… cheers james Posted by: james | Apr 4 2022 4:56 utc | 357 Some barfly called him an “old fart”. Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 4 2022 5:17 utc | 358 watcher | Apr 3 2022 21:36 utc | 333 Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 4 2022 6:02 utc | 359 I must say this is one of the most idiotic forums I have seen. I’m curious about people like you. I wonder what exactly is your major mental malfunction. Are you simply trolls who enjoy gaslighting? Or do you really believe the dogshit you are peddling? Either way, you are despicable and your site should vanish. P.S. in the name of all the Ukrainians murdered by the Russian Federation invaders, go fuck yourself. You, and everyone who agrees with you. You are all scum. Posted by: Karl | Apr 4 2022 8:47 utc | 360 Karl | Apr 4 2022 8:47 utc | 359 Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 4 2022 9:17 utc | 361
I fully agree with that and as an old fart myself will add to the chorus of those who would have RSH hang around. Comments by Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 4 2022 10:19 utc | 362 You are all scum. Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 4 2022 11:38 utc | 363 Meanwhile on the Italian Wikipedia the “Odessa massacre” is now the “Odessa fire”. Posted by: S. L | Apr 4 2022 11:42 utc | 364 And the claims about everything are marked as “Russians claims”. Crazy to see that even after Libia we are again doing propaganda against our own interests. Posted by: S. L | Apr 4 2022 11:45 utc | 365 Did anyone see this article in ZH.? Posted by: Kim | Apr 4 2022 14:10 utc | 366 How will the Neocons react to this? Posted by: Kim | Apr 4 2022 14:13 utc | 367 Posted by: Karl | Apr 4 2022 8:47 utc | 359 Posted by: Kim | Apr 4 2022 14:26 utc | 368 Greece: @ David F | Apr 4 2022 2:43 utc | 354 Posted by: suzan | Apr 4 2022 15:54 utc | 370 suzan – Posted by: David F | Apr 4 2022 16:13 utc | 371 Those who understand Russian I highly recommend these interviews, Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 4 2022 16:13 utc | 372 |
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