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April 2, 2022
Ukraine Open Thread 2022-39

Only news & views related to the Ukraine conflict …

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A must read!
Interview of Sergey Glazyev:
http://thesaker.is/events-like-this-happen-once-a-century-sergey-glazyev-on-the-breakdown-of-epochs-and-changing-ways-of-life/
Posted by: Olivier | Apr 3 2022 14:43 utc | 299

“The Americans opened a biological war front by launching the coronavirus in China”

Posted by: Olivier | Apr 3 2022 14:46 utc | 301

@ 277
SBU is preparing a cynical provocation with corpses to accuse Russia of war crimes
Kyiv Post…Apr 3
Ukraine accuses Russia of war crimes –
Ukraine accuses Russian troops of war crimes after the discovery of mass graves and civilians apparently “executed” in the streets of Bucha, near the capital Kyiv.
AFP reporters see at least 20 bodies, all in civilian clothing, strewn across a single street.
Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba calls it a “deliberate massacre” and urges G7 countries to impose “devastating” sanctions immediately. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 14:52 utc | 302

@ 277, 302
tweet on “Bucha massacre” . . .
Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba demands new ‘devastating’ sanctions from G7 countries over the Bucha massacre. Kuleba is calling for oil, gas, and coal embargo, closed ports for Russian vessels and goods, and disconnection of all Russian banks from SWIFT system. . .also a slap on Putin’s face (I made that up). . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 14:58 utc | 303

Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 14:52 utc | 302
So far eagle eyes have spotted one dead hand moving, one corpse getting up in a rearview mirror, No blood around corpses, No tank tracks in the street, and there were four days between the Russians leaving and the film being released.
https://t.me/grey_zone/13444
Just coincidences?

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 3 2022 15:02 utc | 304

sorry to see Hack go, again.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 3 2022 15:05 utc | 305

The capital of California is no bed of roses either. . .”Downtown Sacramento Shooting: 6 dead, at least 10 injured”
The US should listen to Washington’s warning to get out of Europe and focus on domestic problems. But of course that would require a democracy, which doesn’t exist.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 15:08 utc | 306

I’ll add my voice to the chorus of those expressing regret at RSH’s announced intention to depart from the scene.
All I can say is that none of us, least of all myself, and not even Messrs. Martyanov and Raevsky, know for absolute certain what has motivated Russia’s decisions at every step of the operation, or even whether the motivations have changed over time. All this will be clear to us only long after the dust settles — if even then.
All we can do in the meantime is try to separate between facts and bullshit and, because we are by nature curious animals, try to draw conclusions from the former with as much care and insight as we can muster.
That much said, things still aren’t looking good for 404 — not at all. Certainly we can agree on that much.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 3 2022 15:30 utc | 307

About Bucha massacre.
Yandex Translate:
“⚡️⚡️⚡️So you got burned, gentlemen of the tsipsoshniki, with your post in Bucha, for which you killed those whom you considered agents of the “occupiers”. They got burned on their own video.
Now this video is being distributed in the Ukrainian segment, in which it is claimed that in one of the buildings in Bucha, the Russians staged a torture chamber in which people were shot.
As I wrote in the previous post, local (not all, but many) during the presence of Russian troops, just in case, they knitted themselves white rags or ribbons on their sleeves. It was our identification sign -“own, don’t shoot.” For the Ukrainian military, respectively, this sign means “enemy”.
And now pay attention to the screen, 22 seconds, on the body on the left is the same Russian identification mark. Having entered the Trouble, the Terbats grabbed people, dragged them into the basement, tortured them to find out information and shot them for “cooperation” with the Russian troops.
And now they are passing off the people they killed as victims of Russian aggression. And the world believes them. He pretends to believe. A fantastic hoax!”
https://t.me/sashakots/30761

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 3 2022 15:46 utc | 308

Richard, I suspect the main change nobody has picked up on earlier is what I mentioned earlier – the effect of the last eight years of anti Russia propaganda on the Ukrainian population.
I guess we form opinions based on, well in my own experience, based on what a variety of people with relevant military, diplomatic ect backgrounds have to say.
Propaganda now is a science – basically the brainwashing of a target population. Most who write or find their way to blogs like this, are I guess, largely immune from propaganda/psyops so I’m guessing that’s why the change in the Ukraine population due to propaganda hasn’t been picked up on.
As for numbers of Russian forces, if conscripts ad reservists were taken into account, Russia has a very large military (130 thou conscripts per year) but Putin has said the operation is to only involve professional military.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 3 2022 16:00 utc | 309

Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 14:52 utc | 302
So far eagle eyes have spotted one dead hand moving, one corpse getting up in a rearview mirror, No blood around corpses, No tank tracks in the street, and there were four days between the Russians leaving and the film being released.
https://t.me/grey_zone/13444
Just coincidences?
Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 3 2022 15:02 utc | 304
The translated text in that link says the apparent hand movement is actually water droplet moving upward due to wind force. My eyes agree.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:10 utc | 310

@ RSH, 210
You said:

I don’t need that. I’ve got other things I should be spending time on. Wasted a whole month on this. Unless it goes to nuclear war – which is why I’ll keep an eye on it – it doesn’t affect me in the least. The economic moves probably won’t even affect me unless the US goes into hyperinflation. So intellectual curiosity is not enough to sustain my interest.

==== Well done, man! You are displaying quite a lot of intellectual discipline by acknowledging what you don’t, and likely can’t know at this point, and you’re smart enough to allocate scarce resources to what you can control, and lastly, to keep tabs on Nuke Likelihood as the core aspect that really, truly affects you. Nice work.
And that tracks where I am. I’m mostly paying attention to calculate where the next elephant-foot-stomp is going to happen, and to try not be in the vicinity. To keep tabs on that, I’ve had to delay or half-bake some key projects I’m committed to, and I surely resent the disruption caused by the Fools In Chief.
But, looks to me as tho things are marching in more or less a useful direction re: Asian integration.
Spring is starting here; I operate a farm, and that means the tsunami of hard physical work is starting in, and I’m out of shape. I need to get away from the radar-screen and into the traces.
Russia is in good hands. As others have stated, this stuff takes time, it’ll happen. Meantime, as many have also stated, we in the West / Anglosphere have a lot of work to do to bail out our own ship. And there’s plenty – plenty! – we can do at the household level to get things put right.
And lastly, to RSH – who are you kidding about “I’m done with this!”. That’s total BS. This is riveting stuff, it’s a cleave point of past and future, and it’s dramatic. Every few days brings something electric and significant.
My plan is to not make predictions, then I don’t have to be “right”, and I don’t have to care about the details. The trajectory is a good one, Russia and China et. al. have been preparing for this for decades, and are well-led. Let them do their thing, and let’s us do ours.
Best to all, as always. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Tom Pfotzer | Apr 3 2022 16:19 utc | 311

Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:10 utc | 310
The rearview mirror is also mentioned as a distorsion. The full text below (with my emphasis – I am not sure who is the “admin”..)
However the doubt also remains about tank tracks, no blood etc.
So who do you believe?
Wagner Group affiliated channel:
“I saw a video in a better quality and after looking closely I realized that the drop of water on the windshield was mistaken for a hand movement. And the movement of a corpse from behind is just a distortion in the rearview mirror, every driver knows how it happens.
So sorry for the false start with the information in the post above.”
— Admin wouldn’t be surprised if it was somehow staged.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 3 2022 16:28 utc | 312

Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:10 utc | 310
My link only shows a short version (without rearview mirror) but I do not know how to link the longer version from telegram. Sorry.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 3 2022 16:30 utc | 313

@ 307
Totally agree malenkov …
come back RSH… your comments are needed…

Posted by: crone | Apr 3 2022 16:36 utc | 314

Hi,
I posted way back… followed Billmon, was here when MoA opened, then got caught up in RL, caregiving for Dad, late Hubby.
Been lurking again… see a few names I remember – Annie, Karl, psycohistorian – I’m sure there are more… ol’ brain here!
Kudos to Bernard for still tending bar! Look forward to reading more. Carry on!

Posted by: crone | Apr 3 2022 16:45 utc | 315

watcher | Apr 3 2022 14:15 utc | 293
Speculation seems like an exercise in ego, shooting for future bragging rights.
“Kiev is unclear. No idea what Russia…” doesn’t -> “we need to be honest and realistic. This is a major setback for Russia.”
That is just bias, bloviation and misdirection…

Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | Apr 3 2022 16:49 utc | 316

The movement of troops away from won positions in the North is being justified by this comment to be due to need of WATER in the Donetsk region.
“A disappointing article. Let’s just take one issue. About urgent relocation of Russain troops from the north of Ukraine to the southeast.
The reason is very simple: the Seversky Donets – Donbass 134 kilometers long canal begins in Slavyansk, located in the valley of the Kazenny Torets River (a tributary of the Seversky Donets). This canal supplies water to the entire eastern and southern parts of Donetsk region.
Water shortages in Donetsk have been going on for almost seven years now – and if Mariupol, which was under Kiev’s control, had not also needed this canal for its water, it would have been shut off by Kiev long time ago (because it cares so much about citizens of Donbass).”
https://edwardslavsquat.substack.com/p/i-am-in-awe-of-the-sheer-ruthlessness/comment/5853113?s=r

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:50 utc | 317

Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:10 utc | 310
Different version. Inconclusive…. but I think the determining factor is the four day delay between the Russians leaving and the bodies in the street. The Russians deny “en bloc”, and the Maire of Bucha makes no mention of massacres.
The nasty thing is that if the bodies are recent, they probably date from after the arrival of Azov/Ukes. If they were not wearing blue armbands, or if they had white ones, they would have been considered “enemies” and quite likely shot on the spot.
https://twitter.com/Intel_sky/status/1510589076382097416/video/1

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 3 2022 16:52 utc | 318

To my comment above.
An additional article which when translated by web translator gives very detail information about the importance of the Seversky Donets – Donbass canal.
https://www.liberation.fr/apps/2019/04/donbass-la-guerre-au-fil-de-l-eau/

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:54 utc | 319

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 3 2022 16:52 utc | 318
Personally, anything the Ukis show as “evidence” for me is pure BS.

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:58 utc | 320

Tom_12 | Apr 3 2022 16:58 utc | 320
Thanks for the canal. The area was not gloriously attractive earlier, and it isn’t any better now. I feel sorry for those who try to continue as before in such a situation. Samll things, but I hadn’t realised that Mariupol relied on a long, vulnerable canal in spite of being so close to the sea. (I know you can’t drink it!).
Added to that was the cutting off the water to Crimea.
****
Makes me realise how lucky I am to have a drinkable water source close by, even if the local authorities tried to sell it to Nestlé. (France)

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 3 2022 17:21 utc | 321

My take on sentiment of Ukrainian population:
Before the start of the special operation there was a relatively large proportion on the population that was still at least agnostic in their feelings about Russia and I am pretty sure the majority over 20 still speak Russian in normal conversation, however in the years since the ‘orange revolution’ the anti Russian opinions expressed in the media has steadily increased until it dominated the public media space. This has clearly had an effect, along with increasing social stigma attached to openly expressing pro-Russian sentiment. Additionally, since independence what did Russia do to help Ukraine? They provided subsidized gas and other financial support which did benefit the general population. Many Ukrainians worked in Russia – a benefit. Yet Russia did nothing to address the fundamental dysfunction of the Ukrainian government (high levels of corruption and general ineffectiveness in promoting economic development). Now in the early 90s Russia was itself a complete basket case and could do nothing to help its neighbor when it couldn’t help itself. Yet when Russia did get back on it’s feet after VP came to power it’s policies regarding Ukraine were mainly focused on gas transit issues and the Sevastopol lease. The gas transit issue was a political football in Ukrainian politics and Russia was made out to be the unreasonable party – despite the fact that Ukraine was steeling gas (Tymoshenko) and profiting from the subsidized rates. Sevastopol was a peripheral matter to most Ukrainians.
Meanwhile, the west was spending a considerable amount of money on an anti-Russian PR campaign, educating many young Ukrainians abroad, and dangling the prospect of EU membership (and visa-free travel to Europe). These efforts had both highly visible elements and less visible ones (the work of the ‘civil society’ NGOs).
Russia had no PR campaign, and while many Ukrainians still attended University in Russia this was not used the way the west used this element. No indoctrination, etc. Going to university in Russia was ordinary, going to university in America was a remarkable and cherished opportunity.
NATO membership was never a popular issue, but mainly a source of revenue for the political elite.
The campaign against the Russian language was not widely popular and resented by many.
After 2014 as the media space became increasingly restricted to nationalist voices and protests were violently suppressed (and the economy deteriorated) people in general kept their heads down and tried to manage their affairs as best they could – or left to go work in Europe. There was relatively little sympathy for the path the eastern provinces took and refugees from that region who came to Kiev had to hide their identity if possible.
Politicians were not popular, corruption increased, and the general mood was one of frustration with no solution. The loos of Crimea was a blow and offended average people. Russia was seen even more as part of the problem with the continued fighting in the east and constant disputes over gas.
So when Russian troops crossed the border and things were blowing up all over the country people were shocked, scared, and angry. War is clearly terrible in the short run and people who had been agnostic or somewhat sympathetic to Russia were suddenly vociferously anti-Russian. While this may change over time, depending on how the situation develops, it is the current reality for many, many people.

Posted by: the pessimist | Apr 3 2022 17:53 utc | 322

At David 114. Perhaps removing language absolutes from your questioning will provide better results? To those among us sharing differences absolutes trend towards making things punchy, no?

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 3 2022 17:55 utc | 323

Reuters is showing that there is a major propaganda effort underway internationally about what I will call for now, the myth of Bucha.
The West is desperate and anything that looks/feels/smells/ or can be sold as weakness/badness will be drummed up to the max as we are seeing.
This is an amazing time because, at least on the surface that us pond scum get to see, there is a major civilization war going on in a MAD environment (note: MAD does not include bio-chemical it would seem, nor financial)
I expect that Russia will resume its military action in a manner that dispels any doubt as to the veracity of these current allegations….we are hearing from Shoigu now, not Lavrov. I have seen China report on the Ukraine biolabs and I expect Russia to make further details about those biolabs part of their counter to the Empire of Lies…..empire is too confident in its Hollywood capabilities.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 3 2022 19:12 utc | 324

@ChasingGlowies 277, 302, 303,304,308,310, 312,313,318,
“bucha massacre” current headlines
>Washington Post
Signs of massacre in Bucha spark calls for war-crime probes
>Reuters
Ukraine accuses Russia of civilian ‘massacre’; Russia denies this
>BBC
Ukraine war latest: Killings in Bucha a deliberate massacre, says Ukraine
>The Guardian
Killing of civilians in Bucha and Kyiv condemned as ‘terrible war crime’
>DW
Ukraine: Germany’s Scholz vows response over Bucha deaths — live updates
>Reuters
Germany says West to agree more sanctions on Russia after Bucha killings
>Ukrainian MP Reacts To Bucha Massacre: “I Cannot Get …
2 hours ago — Now that Russians have retreated from the Kyiv region of Ukraine, horrific images have surfaced of massacred civilians lying dead in the …
>Ukraine accuses Russia of civilian ‘massacre’ – Reuters
BUCHA, Ukraine, April 3 (Reuters) – Ukraine on Sunday accused Russian forces of carrying out a “massacre” in the town of Bucha, …
>”Not A Single Resident…”: Russia Denies Ukraine “Massacre …
In Bucha, 37 km (23 miles) northwest of Kyiv city centre, town mayor Fedoruk said 300 residents had been killed during a month-long occupation …
>BBC
Killings in Bucha a deliberate massacre, says Ukraine – BBC
The scenes left in the Ukrainian town of Bucha after the withdrawal of Russian troops are drawing widespread condemnation from world leaders.
>Haaretz
Israel’s Lapid condemns Kyiv suburb killings as ‘war crimes’
The European Union accused Russian troops of committing atrocities in the Kyiv region after the mayor of the town of Bucha said 300 residents …
>Guardian
Killing of civilians in Bucha and Kyiv condemned as ‘terrible …
Russia stands accused of “terrible” war crimes, as western leaders condemned the killings of unarmed civilians in Bucha and the surrounding …
>GlobalNews
Ukraine demands new sanctions on Russia over ‘massacre’ in …
>Dmytro Kuleba on Twitter: “Bucha massacre was deliberate …
>Wikipedia
Bucha massacre – The Bucha massacre or Bucha genocide is a series of war crimes, consisting of the mass murder and torture of Ukrainian civilians committed by Russian troops …

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 19:27 utc | 325

Russia requested a meeting of the UN Security Council for Monday, April 4, in connection with the “blatant provocation of Ukrainian radicals” in the Ukrainian city of Bucha. This was stated by the Deputy Russian Chairman at the organization Dmitry Polyansky.
“In light of the blatant provocation of Ukrainian radicals in Bucha, Russia demanded the convening of a meeting of the UN Security Council on the afternoon of Monday, April 4. We will bring the arrogant Ukrainian provocateurs and their Western patrons to clean water,” Polyansky wrote on Telegram.
On April 3, the Russian Defense Ministry denied accusations by the Kiev regime of allegedly killing civilians in Bucha.
Moscow recalled that the mayor of Bucha, Anatoly Fedoruk, on March 31 in his video message confirmed that there was no Russian military in the city, moreover, he did not mention any “local residents shot in the streets with their hands tied.”
As the Deputy Speaker of the Federation Council Konstantin Kosachev noted, the spread by the West of a fake about the “murder of civilians” in the Ukrainian Bucha near Kiev makes him an accomplice to provocation.

https://russian.rt.com/world/news/985450-rossiya-oon-zasedanie

Posted by: FZappa | Apr 3 2022 19:45 utc | 326

@ Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 19:27 utc | 325 with the list of reliable sources for Bucha information…./snark
I especially liked the one at Wikipedia…grin
Can they scream any louder? I am sure that will help their message.
We are seeing the best shit show God of Mammon can buy and it looks pathetic to all but the created zombies of our species. It is comforting, being an American, to read that over 80% of the world now does not support the shit show and many are actively trying to end it with Russia.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 3 2022 19:48 utc | 327

This should be the interview with the mayor of Bucha on April 1 on the channel “Ukraine 24”
No mention of the dead on the streets
At the beginning he says: “Dear friends! March 31 is a beautiful day of liberation from the Russian occupiers”
I hope someone understands what he is saying
https://t.me/giorgiobianchiphotojournalist/13608

Posted by: FZappa | Apr 3 2022 19:59 utc | 328

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 19:27 utc | 325
Not feeling sorry for Western Liberals who scarf plateful after plateful of ZioNazi verbal excrement and scream for more.

Posted by: Laurence | Apr 3 2022 20:06 utc | 329

It’s not just Western “liberals”; it’s Westerners—period—with few exceptions.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 3 2022 20:18 utc | 330

Small variation on librul’s version of the Niemöller’s poem:
They came first for the Communists,
But I didn’t speak up because now I was a socialist.
Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn’t speak up because now I was a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists,
and I didn’t speak up because now I was a Jew.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up because now I was a Catholic.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up because now I was a Protestant.
Then they came for the Protestants,
and I didn’t speak up because now I was an atheist
When they came for me there was nothing left to turn into.

Posted by: bottle | Apr 3 2022 20:25 utc | 331

Totally agree malenkov …
come back RSH… your comments are needed…
Posted by: crone | Apr 3 2022 16:36 utc | 314
Some barfly called him an “old fart”.
May be we shouldn’t behave like that…?

Posted by: njet | Apr 3 2022 20:32 utc | 332

Sorry many of you here but calling me a troll for seeing at is is, not as you want it to be is downright stupid, and makes you part of the problem. The hubris shown by so many on this site is as stupid as that of the pro-western press, Russia is losing etc, etc.
Now it might surprise you to know that I have just as much right to an opinion as you that includes you in particular Olivier.
Personally I am guessing, that one of the saddest people in all this is Lavrov. He I think really believed most in the west were decent and would treat Russia fairly. Now he says that the recent events have uncovered a depth of anti Russian hatred, that seems I suspect to have surprised him. It does not really surprise me, partly because I suspect neither he, nor Putin, nor indeed many of you here on this site and absolutely no one at Saker understand the mind of the “progressive” left in the West. I on the other hand mix with this set and get them, even if I despair. For at least 8 years and probably longer, there has been Putin loathing within the feminist crowd. His muscly bare chest upsets them beyond measure and identifies him as an evil oppressive male patriarch. (I AM NOT SAYING THIS – but many of my acquaintances are). Add to this the extremely powerful gay lobby and you have most of the intellectual left in deep seated fear and hatred of Russia.
Whether this sentiment has been deliberately created by the USA/MI6 or whatever is quite possible. However it exists and unfortunately has totally corrupted the intellectual wannabe left who might once have been the leaders of a pro-Russian fairness movement. Deliberate infiltration of parties such as the Greens, the left of Labour/SD/Democrat parties is almost certain. The efforts of influences (many of them oligarchs or Zionists is also probably important too.
So yes I am going to come out and say it. Call me a troll if you wish but hey I can take it. The stupid always call others trolls etc if they stand up for any independent original idea. That is part of the USA/Mi6/Mossad playbook. They can always rely on the stupid and venal to eat their own.
Anyway I am going to call it as I see it. Lavrov miscalculated the depth of German hatred. In particular he failed to grasp even slightly the motivation/emotion of the Greens, nor their influence on German psyche- especially amongst the wannabe progressive “intellectuals.” This is the woke mob, that you can laugh at (I do) but it is stupid beyond measure to deny their powerful influence. yes of bloody course they are being led by “deep state” operatives as are many within the Labor parties, but hey lemmings have leaders too.
By the way everybody makes mistakes, even the wise and brilliant.

Posted by: watcher | Apr 3 2022 21:36 utc | 333

A must read!
Interview of Sergey Glazyev:
http://thesaker.is/events-like-this-happen-once-a-century-sergey-glazyev-on-the-breakdown-of-epochs-and-changing-ways-of-life/
Posted by: Olivier | Apr 3 2022 14:43 utc | 299
Glazyvev is speaking of a new world economic order which is still about growth, private ownership of property “protected” as he said, by whom I wonder? and other basic capitalist features, yet he calls it a socialist order.
I don’t see it. Not that it won’t be 200% better than we have to date, but socialist?
And if unrestricted private property investment is going to persist along with unfettered growth then why wouldn’t all the evils of neoliberalism persist as well? He reads like an idealist to me, saying India is socialist and concerned with the welfare of the people. Maybe in Kerala, maybe some other states but the difference between China and India in terms of basic poverty alleviation is staggering.
A Chinese friend from the mainland south tells me that there is no financial safety net in China, so when lockdowns happen even though they are brief and very well managed, ordinary workers can’t work and there is no relief payment from the government and no unemployment benefit as such. I am a big supporter of China however as a socialist country even China has a long way to go to ensure a basic safety net for all of its citizens. And in the meantime enormous wealth is still going to China’s 1%.
Even so China and Russia, not so much India as yet, demonstrably represent a much more benign and inclusive influence on the world order. It remains to be seen if it develops more towards socialism, I don’t think it will be clear until the developing economies have achieved a basic level of prosperity of the kind that the West has abused and squandered over the past 70 years.

Posted by: K | Apr 3 2022 22:21 utc | 334

Personally I am guessing, that one of the saddest people in all this is Lavrov.
Posted by: watcher | Apr 3 2022 21:36 utc | 333

And again.
You are entitled to your opinion, but you have no right to think at the place of others.
Further with your “not achieved” you are on the same side of those saying “Russia is losing”. That is – in boht cases – western propaganda.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 3 2022 19:27 utc | 325
Of course, all this propaganda was organised days before, and Ukrainians speaking Russian were killed after the RF retired.
And of course complete silence about the civilians killed in Mariupol or Donetsk.

Posted by: Olivier | Apr 3 2022 22:32 utc | 335

Posted by: Olivier | Apr 3 2022 22:32 utc | 335
No Olivier
I am NOT saying Russia is losing. Try reading what I wrote.
I am saying that Russia started off with a fairly short term objective. Quick sharp attack on Ukrainian military installations, quick move into the Donbass, then an expected capitulation and peace deal with Kiev.
The desired outcomes:
1. A much less hostile Ukraine
2. A short sharp military engagement, few casualties
3. Independence for the two Donbass republics recognised
4. Crimea accepted as Russian
5. Ukraine agrees not to join NATO
6. NATO agreeing not to move further east
7. Negotiations about removal of other threats from Poland, Romania etc
8. Lifting of sanctions for Crimea.
9. Defanging the Ukrainian military.
At the end of the day, after these “talks”, I expect 3 and 4 and probably 5 to be achieved. 9 has been achieved and with vigilance can be maintained. No 2 has obviously failed in that the military intervention has already gone on a month, but if it is resolved by May essentially it will have been achieved.
It remains to be seen if a more reasonable Ukraine emerges – No 1. personally i no doubt it can be achieved so I suppose that is a defeat of sorts.
Only if there is a change of government in Germany, can 6, 7 and 8 possibly be achieved, and even then I suspect not without a much wider conflict. NATO however may well fall apart. Poland is impossible. I have no suggestions, short of setting up mass psychiatric institutions or putting Prozac in the water supply (JOKE)

Posted by: watcher | Apr 3 2022 22:55 utc | 336

I don’t think it will be clear until the developing economies have achieved a basic level of prosperity of the kind that the West has abused and squandered over the past 70 years.
Posted by: K | Apr 3 2022 22:21 utc | 334

Thanks a lot for your comments.
The prosperity of the West is not 70 yo, it is 530 yo. Since the West began to conquer, steal, loot, genocide people of the other continents. The West is hegemonic, deeply racist and will not hesitate to kill as many people as “necessary” to fit their goals.
The current wars are all about resources. One needs oil to wage wars. But not only oil and gaz are with limited supplies, also many metals and other stuffs.
The West is managing a total war against Russia, it wants the destruction of the Federation to be able to loot the immense resources of its territory, like they are looting the other continents. I hope Russia will understand it as soon as possible if not already done and cut all economic ties with the West. Or set an ultimatum: remove all sanctions or we stop all oil, gaz, uranium, what else deliveries to the West.
With the current scarcity of resources it will never be possible again to achieve the standard of living the West experienced in the last 50 years. Except for the super-class.
Read Nietzsche: he advocated a cast society. Here we go unless Russia and China can stop it.

Posted by: Olivier | Apr 3 2022 22:55 utc | 337

@ watcher
I think you’re right in that Lavrov (and Putin and who
knows who else) was expecting more humane/tolerant acceptance from the West than Russia actually got. Such a hope is implanted deep inside the Russian psyche since at least Peter the Great.
That attitude is probably a thing of the past.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 3 2022 22:57 utc | 338

I am NOT saying Russia is losing. Try reading what I wrote.
Strawman fallacy. Try reading yourself. I never wrote you say “Russia is losing”, I wrote you are on the same side as those ones. Because most of your rant is exactly that: disinformantion from information you do not have.
I am saying that Russia started off with a fairly short term objective. Quick sharp attack on Ukrainian military installations, quick move into the Donbass, then an expected capitulation and peace deal with Kiev.
In your dreams. A war is never quick. Here you are hinting that the Russians are stupid. Before you were in the head of Lavrov, now you are in the head of “Russia”.

Posted by: Olivier | Apr 3 2022 23:04 utc | 339

@336 If there was a miscalculation by Russia it was in thinking the UAF would collapse quickly. It didn’t (yet) mainly because they got so much support from the West in terms of money, weapons and propaganda. I think a lot of people in the West were surprised too.
As regards Putin’s bare chest and his attitude towards gays that is definitely a factor in Western ‘woke’ hatred. But there are plenty in the West, mainly conservatives, who agree with him.

Posted by: dh | Apr 3 2022 23:11 utc | 340

Richard Steven Hack wrote in 8/2014: “Putin has been EXTREMELY FORBEARING by not immediately invading Ukraine and stomping the neo-Nazis flat. Supporting the pro-Russian rebels is the least he could do and he’s done it in the least encroaching manner possible. He has no interest in “invading” or “annexing” a failed state like the Ukraine unless that’s the only way to keep NATO out.”
Well, waiting for almost 8 years to see whether Putin loses his patience can certainly be trying on one’s nerves. Take a break. Refresh yourself, as the war will likely be around for a while.

Posted by: Butte Bill | Apr 3 2022 23:12 utc | 341

[Long post]
Colonelcassad’s considerations about fascists in Ukraine:
” When communicating with Ukrainians, we make the same mistake over and over again. Our opponents tell us: well, where did you see the Nazis in Ukraine. Their number is negligible.
Nationalist parties have minimal support. There is a minority of nationalists in parliament. The President is Jewish.
So let’s figure it out. Who is a fascist in Ukraine and how many of them.
Our main mistake is that we identify the fascists by external signs: symbols, paraphernalia. Tattoos, slogans, stripes, portraits of leaders. There are certainly people who use all this there and there are not a few of them. But in the total mass they make up a small percentage.
But fascism is not an attribute. This is an ideology. This is what is invested in the head, and not what is applied to the body in the form of a tattoo. The ideology of the superiority of the nation over others. Belief that your nation is better than others. Ukrainians consider themselves better, smarter, hardworking and bolder than Russians. Russians they consider stupid, drunk, dirty cattle. who envy them. And which cannot forgive them that they are better in everything.
This is fascism. Belief in their superiority over stupid Muscovites. The fact that you are a warrior of light, unlike a dirty padded jacket. This is fascism. And not what kind of tattoo on your body. But this disease affects the vast majority of the population of Nezalezhnaya. These are the ones who elected the rulers who killed people in the Donbass. These are those who rejoiced when they burned people in Odessa. Those who support the eradication of everything Russian – language, schools, faith, those who pay a tax on the murder of children in Donbass. This is the majority of the population of Ukraine. Their entire society is affected by the virus of fascism.
Since the very emergence of modern Ukraine, this ideology has been purposefully promoted. This is the myth of the Holodomor. This is the story invented with the money of Soros, the revival of Bandera. From Russia, year after year, they sculpted the image of the enemy. Everything Russian was purposefully eradicated and is still being eradicated. And it must be admitted that the grains of this ideology fell on fertile ground. A generation has grown up that, even being often Russian by origin, hate everything Russian. Language, culture.
Back in 2014, I met a family of refugees from Donetsk. They left forever and never came back. When communicating with them, I was then struck by one fact: they spoke with aspiration about Ukraine. I have repeatedly heard from them: we love Ukraine so much. It seemed strange to me then. Ukraine bombed them, forced them to leave forever (they settled in the Rostov region and are not going to return), but in their heads it exists in the form of something bright, kind. Nenka-Ukraine as a caring kind mother. In the future, I heard this thesis more than once. In addition to this bright image, another dark image was formed in parallel – terrible, evil Russia. Everything is in the compartment and forms the worldview of the modern resident of the Square.
Summing up, I want to say that the majority of the population of modern Ukraine is fascists.
Ukraine is a fascist state with a fascist ideology. The denazification process is mandatory. And it should concern not only external paraphernalia or obvious carriers thereof. Denazification must have deep meaning. We need to eradicate this vicious ideology itself.”

Posted by: SCan | Apr 3 2022 23:55 utc | 342

“Realising we don’t know shit is always a good place to get to in life imo.”
Spot on.
Suzan, disappointed that you didn’t follow up to my response.
Are you just going to throw that out there with no follow up?

Posted by: David F | Apr 4 2022 0:24 utc | 343

Russia did not expect quick capitulation from Kiev, that is stupid to think.
A quick move into Donbass? Well, considering they are now just moving into The Donbass, that obviously was never the plan.
A short, sharp conflict. No, Russia’s approach suggest their timeframe for military operations is at least six months.
Negotiating the removal of threats from Poland or Romania? No, Russia has stated numerous times the west is not agreement capable.
What does Russia want? They are going to grab as much of Ukraine as possible and never give it back.
The long game militarily speaking was and is the goal as it puts lots of pressure on the West. There was never a plan for a short, sharp conflict.

Posted by: Haassaan | Apr 4 2022 0:29 utc | 344

Posted by: SCan | Apr 3 2022 23:55 utc | 342

Colonelcassad’s considerations about fascists in Ukraine:

Are you sure this is a translation of his article (he writes in Russian, not English), it does not look like his style.
But he often publishes articles from other authors.
And he does not live in Rostov region but in Crimea.
Can you post a link to the original article?

Posted by: hopehely | Apr 4 2022 0:30 utc | 345

K my apologies for not attributing this to you originally.
“Realising we don’t know shit is always a good place to get to in life imo”
In my opinion there is only one stop after that, and from what I have heard, there is no other better stop.

Posted by: David F | Apr 4 2022 1:42 utc | 346

@ David F | Apr 3 2022 3:05 utc | 195 & David F | Apr 4 2022 0:24 utc | 343
Way off topic but since you ask …
Your quote comes from the first of three “levels” of buddhadharma teachings which emphasizes the existence of mind as a method to deter people from falling into the extreme of nihilism, from believing there is no causality or heaven or hell, that what they do does not matter.
Thus your Dhammapada quote teaches that from pure mind, from virtue, happiness results; from impure mind, from mind afflicted by desire, aversion, ignorance, arrogance, or jealousy, etc, suffering results. The point is that we inhabit a reality of infallible causality where we bear responsibility for our lives. There is no compromise with causality which is our reality nature. It is up to us to purify our minds so as to experience and spread happiness.
The second dharma turning teaches “no mind” or “emptiness” — meaning that what we commonly perceive as ordinary reality is deceptive insofar as, contrary to our ordinary perception, there is no intrinsic existence to self or other composite phenomena as all is interdependent, co-arising if you will, and in flux, impermanent. Yet people tend to cling to things and emotions as though they had inherent independent existence, and as if they are permanent. This causes much pain and disharmony.
The third turning teaches that samsara/nirvana are two sides of the same hand — beyond extremes, beyond the extreme of nihilism and the extreme of eternalism. A compassionate matrix of intrinsic wisdom is present to us all which we have access to if we purify our minds so as to make the connection to the dharmakaya — god or the divine if you will.
I focused on interdependence aspect because that seems most accessible to most of us but the total package of teachings on how to overcome suffering of self includes these four basic aspects: impermanence; understanding the causes of suffering; emptiness (no inherent existence of self or phenomena); and realization of primordial wisdom which is beyond extremes.
ξ ξ ξ
John Milton captures the first turning of the wheel of dharma in Paradise Lost when he writes, “The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.”

Posted by: suzan | Apr 4 2022 1:46 utc | 347

@ David F | Apr 3 2022 3:05 utc | 195 & David F | Apr 4 2022 0:24 utc | 343
Way off topic but since you ask …
Your quote comes from the first of three “levels” of buddhadharma teachings which emphasizes the existence of mind as a method to deter people from falling into the extreme of nihilism, from believing there is no causality or heaven or hell, that what they do does not matter.
Thus your Dhammapada quote teaches that from pure mind, from virtue, happiness results; from impure mind, from mind afflicted by desire, aversion, ignorance, arrogance, or jealousy, etc, suffering results. The point is that we inhabit a reality of infallible causality where we bear responsibility for our lives. There is no compromise with causality which is our reality nature. It is up to us to purify our minds so as to experience and spread happiness.
The second dharma turning teaches “no mind” or “emptiness” — meaning that what we commonly perceive as ordinary reality is deceptive insofar as, contrary to our ordinary perception, there is no intrinsic existence to self or other composite phenomena as all is interdependent, co-arising if you will, and in flux, impermanent. Yet people tend to cling to things and emotions as though they had inherent independent existence, and as if they are permanent. This causes much pain and disharmony.
The third turning teaches that samsara/nirvana are two sides of the same hand — beyond extremes, beyond the extreme of nihilism and the extreme of eternalism. A compassionate matrix of intrinsic wisdom is present to us all which we have access to if we purify our minds so as to make the connection to the dharmakaya — god or the divine if you will.
I focused on interdependence aspect because that seems most accessible to most of us but the total package of teachings on how to overcome suffering of self includes these four basic aspects: impermanence; understanding the causes of suffering; emptiness (no inherent existence of self or phenomena); and realization of primordial wisdom which is beyond extremes.
ξ ξ ξ
John Milton captures the first turning of the wheel of dharma in Paradise Lost when he writes, “The mind is its own place, and in itself can make a heaven of hell, a hell of heaven.”

Posted by: suzan | Apr 4 2022 1:46 utc | 348

@anyone
Heck, I’m gay, not especially impressed by shirtless Putin, but I’m on Russia’s sids because it’s the right side. Sexual orientation isn’t the only consideration.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 4 2022 1:49 utc | 349

suzan@347 –
Thanks for responding.
No offense intended, but I wasn’t really looking for an explanation of the Dhamma. I’m actually deeply familiar with it.
I was looking for you to explain your original statement.

Posted by: David F | Apr 4 2022 1:59 utc | 350

@ David F | Apr 4 2022 1:59 utc | 349
Huh? How does this not explain my original post ? You introduced a first turning teaching which you did not connect to what I wrote. I attempted to come full circle, including your quote in my response which gives a fuller explanation of my comment on your and librul’s search for no self.
Original post:
The “blurring” of assumed existential boundaries of labeled entities like “a self” flows from comprehending reality as interdependent.
When one’s understanding of interdependence becomes internalized beyond mere language and logic, it is “realized.” The self is not negated because it never existed on its own, a misperception and source of much disharmony and suffering.
This comprehension may come easier to people whose language emphasizes relationships and processes structurally instead of entities, things.

Posted by: suzan | Apr 4 2022 2:10 utc | 351

@345 hopeheli
The Russian->English translation was done by Google translator and I believe that in this process, the writer’s “style” can be lost. But, sure, here is the link:
https://t.me/boris_rozhin/39435

Posted by: SCan | Apr 4 2022 2:24 utc | 352

” … flows from comprehending reality as interdependent.”
Explain this please.
What are these “turnings” you refer to?

Posted by: David F | Apr 4 2022 2:32 utc | 353

Suzan – Just reread the thread, I misunderstood your original response.
Please tell me what you mean by the “turnings”.

Posted by: David F | Apr 4 2022 2:38 utc | 354

This was your original comment.
“Comprehending interdependence
The “blurring” of assumed existential boundaries of labeled entities like “a self” flows from comprehending reality as interdependent.”
Are you saying that reality is not interdependent? Please elaborate.

Posted by: David F | Apr 4 2022 2:43 utc | 355

malenkov
i hope you did not think i assume all gays are anti Russian. it is just that it is a huge factor in poisoning minds.
look i know western progressives. they are my family and friends. woke issues dominate their brains and stop them thinking rationally.

Posted by: watcher | Apr 4 2022 3:30 utc | 356

@ watcher… i would ignore those who call you a troll… it seems like olivier and you have been involved in a back and forth scuffle.. i have ignored it… once olivier misread a post of mine and came to the wrong conclusion.. i attributed it to a language problem, as i believe english is not his first language.. but they acknowledged their mistake and moved on.. i have had no interaction with you… i have skipped over the back and forth between you and him… i would just say what you want to say and don’t get caught up in what others say… cheers james
@ david f.. i thought it was also very buddhist like what you were mentioning much earlier.. i didn’t comment.. i am in a busy patch up until the 16th and find i don’t have time to reply to posts that i might like to… but keep it up.. it is interesting! anything to challenge my thinking is good!

Posted by: james | Apr 4 2022 4:56 utc | 357

Some barfly called him an “old fart”.
May be we shouldn’t behave like that…?
Posted by: njet | Apr 3 2022 20:32 utc | 332
Yeah. I did. Most of us are. Old and cranky and watching the shit that that goes round like a tumble drier.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 4 2022 5:17 utc | 358

watcher | Apr 3 2022 21:36 utc | 333
Thanks, you are definitely no troll. And to call somebody a troll without giving detailed arguments is in any case – trolling.
(I am German, an „old fart“, of the 68ers breed) Such „woke“ people as you describe them I know from much younger acquaintancies. These people are neither left nor right. They are infantile. The very beginning of the Green party in Germany saw a similar approach, most clearly shown with Petra Kelly. I oversimplify her attitude as hysterically driven by „good moral“, but without any rational political analysis of any kind. It transmitted well to the politically hitherto desinterested part of the populace with often anti-left insticts and broadened the political basis of the upcoming Green party. It was soon totally corrupted when the Green party grasped power with the cynical famous speech of Joschka Fischer: „Nie wieder Auschwiz“, one of the most masterful demagogic pieces in political (German) history. This convinced a small majority at an assembly to accept the impossible: war against Serbia based on a Tonking-piece, stupid, the “Hufeisenplan”, a secret-service construct like Saddams WMDs.
This vote for the war was the end of any „left” wing within the Green party. After this negatice Damascus experience the Greens followed each imperialistic mouthpiece, in Syria, in Venezuela, in Afhanistan and in Ukraine in particular. The Green minister of foreign affairs even helped to ground the imperialistic network in Ukraine. German taxpayers money was indirectly used to finance the Maidan movement.
Your acquaintancies will not like it as it is a bit far-fetched: these „wokes” are the equivalent of what the desorientated uprooted formally educated middle-class in Germany of 1932 was who voted for the Nazi mob. Gender and identity cannot be part of any bargaining except in cases people are discriminated because of them. If the discrimination is stopped there is no politic, nothing related to the res publica, left in it. To stress them then is just a new effort to divert attention from the real political issues: economy, class interests, no imperialistic wars or „divide-and-rule“ upheated clashes.
The strongest case for my argument is the Big Cheat, this world-wide Corona Fake using “vaccines”. My profession is biology. I strongly disagree with b over that.
I am no Putin-„fanboy“. The efforts to find a new coherence in Russian society using idiots like Dugin or the Orthodox church I see very critical. But I can recognize who tries to remain fair and rational in defending the interests of his own country or not. Being a Westerner, member of a part of the world that just killed science and freedom of speech over Corona, I cannot look down on such things.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 4 2022 6:02 utc | 359

I must say this is one of the most idiotic forums I have seen. I’m curious about people like you. I wonder what exactly is your major mental malfunction. Are you simply trolls who enjoy gaslighting? Or do you really believe the dogshit you are peddling? Either way, you are despicable and your site should vanish. P.S. in the name of all the Ukrainians murdered by the Russian Federation invaders, go fuck yourself. You, and everyone who agrees with you. You are all scum.

Posted by: Karl | Apr 4 2022 8:47 utc | 360

Karl | Apr 4 2022 8:47 utc | 359
Could you be so nice to deliver one argument in the sense of the word? I can see only one sided meta-blahfasel.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 4 2022 9:17 utc | 361

watcher | Apr 3 2022 21:36 utc | 333
Thanks, you are definitely no troll. And to call somebody a troll without giving detailed arguments is in any case – trolling.
Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 4 2022 6:02 utc | 358

I fully agree with that and as an old fart myself will add to the chorus of those who would have RSH hang around. Comments by
RSH and Debsisdead enhance this blog. Others too, of course, but will stop with those two names.
Derogatory personal comments do nothing but harm one’s own stature.
Otherwise intelligent people who engage in that show their own intelligence is otherthanwise – and their character is low.

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 4 2022 10:19 utc | 362

You are all scum.
Posted by: Karl | Apr 4 2022 8:47 utc | 359
Go back to your CNN.

Posted by: John Kennard | Apr 4 2022 11:38 utc | 363

Meanwhile on the Italian Wikipedia the “Odessa massacre” is now the “Odessa fire”.

Posted by: S. L | Apr 4 2022 11:42 utc | 364

And the claims about everything are marked as “Russians claims”. Crazy to see that even after Libia we are again doing propaganda against our own interests.

Posted by: S. L | Apr 4 2022 11:45 utc | 365

Did anyone see this article in ZH.?
I Guess, this stuff is hard to get into the “failed state” as of late.
Ukraine Announces Million Dollars Reward Per Russian Helicopter, Fighter Jet, Warship
Ukrainian farmers have been stealing tanks and other Russian military equipment with their tractors. Videos have surfaced online in recent weeks, and the question many have asked is what happens with all the captured war machines?
It just so happens that the Ukrainian parliament (also known as Rada) passed a new measure rewarding anyone, even Russian soldiers, to turn over equipment to Ukraine for a reward.
“For a helicopter – 500 thousand dollars, a tank – 100 thousand, respectively. If, for example, someone is ready to come to us by plane – it’s a million dollars,” the first vice-speaker of the Ukrainian parliament Oleksandr Kornienko said in a statement Saturday.
Here’s a complete breakdown of Ukraine’s reward system for the voluntary transfer of Russian military equipment to the Ukrainian Armed Forces (all prices are in USD):
Combat aircraft (fighter and assault aircraft) – 1,000,000;
Combat helicopter – 500,000;
Reactive volley fire system – 25,000 – 35,000;
Tank, ground artillery (self-propelled) – 100,000;
Infantry fighting vehicle (landing), armored personnel carrier, armored reconnaissance patrol vehicle – 50,000;
Military vehicle (truck, specialized), military tractor, military engineering vehicles: reconnaissance, demining, mine barriers, bridges, fencing, for paving roads, for earthworks, to overcome water obstacles – 10,000;
Ships of 1st or 2nd rank – 1,000,000;
Ships of 3rd or 4th rank – 500,000
Ships of military (auxiliary) support – 200,000;
Ships of small combat (reconnaissance) purpose – 50,000.
Kornienko said Russian troops would be motivated to hand over the weapons to “replenish their financial status” and their “misunderstanding of the meaning of why they are dying.” He added: “the reward tool will work.”
This is certainly an innovative way to buy weapons at a discount. Ukrainian farmers stand to make a killing.

Posted by: Kim | Apr 4 2022 14:10 utc | 366

How will the Neocons react to this?
I guess we are now witnessing their reactions.
Russia and its closest partners should build their own system of protection against global financial risks, independent of the IMF and the United States, EAEU Minister for Integration Glazyev said in an interview with RIA Novosti:
▪️ increase the share of payments in national currencies and develop your own payment system for this, similar to SWIFT
▪️ instead of the existing gold and foreign exchange reserves in dollars and euros, which can be frozen at any time, create an independent reserve institution for foreign exchange transactions
▪️ introduce a tax on income from the sale of assets by non-residents, and in the event of a company leaving the country, transfer its enterprises to the ownership of labor collectives
▪️ give countries the right to restrict the export of capital
▪️ legalize the use of cryptocurrencies for international payments
▪️ to issue a bank card that will unite the payment systems of the BRICS countries: Chinese UnionPay, Brazilian ELO, Indian RuPay and Russian “Mir”

Posted by: Kim | Apr 4 2022 14:13 utc | 367

Posted by: Karl | Apr 4 2022 8:47 utc | 359
Best you jump back down, into your fortified Trench and listen out,for the unmistakable sound of the Toss-1 about to come your way.

Posted by: Kim | Apr 4 2022 14:26 utc | 368

Greece:
More than 500 young students from the University of Athens discussed and protested against the war, NATO and Ukrainian atrocities. Kostas Isikhos, ex-Minister of Defense, and residents of Mariupol, who suffered from the Nazis, spoke out. One of the most significant events was the anti-NATO concert and anti-war demonstration in Athens, organized by famous Greek artists last week, which was estimated to be attended by over 30,000 people, mostly young people. The event was sharply criticized by the mainstream media as “pro-Russian”.
A rally in support of Russia was held in Thessaloniki. Residents staged a motor rally under the flags of the two countries and with the slogans “Greece, Russia, Orthodoxy.”
Germany:
More than 5,000 vehicles are reportedly participating in the rally in support of the Russian Federation in Berlin.
Cyprus:
On April 3, a rally in support of Russia was held in Paphos.

Posted by: alaff | Apr 4 2022 15:11 utc | 369

@ David F | Apr 4 2022 2:43 utc | 354
No
@ David F | Apr 4 2022 2:38 utc | 353
@David F | Apr 4 2022 2:32 utc | 352
Look up the three turnings of the wheel of dharma. There are volumes of lectures on this from diverse Buddhist traditions. I referred to this directly several times in my post including the quote from John Milton so I am not sure why your confusion arises regarding this especially as you say you have extensive experience with the dharma teachings.
You repeat your question to which I have already attempted (asking the patience of barflies for the OT exchange) to give an all-encompassing response so I will not take up more space responding other than to repeat that comprehending interdependence unravels previous misperceptions about our reality nature, leading to insight about self. I recommend you use other sources with which you will be more satisfied.
Last, I get the impression that you enjoy arguing but not resolving miscommunication. I seem to recall this from earlier threads but I could be confusing you with another David who would select a word or phrase in someone’s post, enclose it in an Overton window of allowable interpretation and repeat attack endlessly. Maybe not you? Perhaps a bot.

Posted by: suzan | Apr 4 2022 15:54 utc | 370

suzan –
Hmm. I thought it was a discussion, not an argument. A discussion that was started when you wrote your poorly worded original statement. You responded “No” to my question above, but when I read, and re-read your original statement, it seems to me that you were saying “Yes”.
As to your last paragraph, I’m not responsible for “your impressions”.
Thanks, this was fun, let’s not do it again soon!

Posted by: David F | Apr 4 2022 16:13 utc | 371

Those who understand Russian I highly recommend these interviews,
“Европа однозначно обречена | Интервью с Михаилом Муравьевым (avanturist) Aftershock.News”
Part I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydSoWXRUt-o
Part II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSg3KcsFkOM
Part III
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wC_AqNg0wI

Posted by: Tom_12 | Apr 4 2022 16:13 utc | 372