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April 18, 2022

The Ukraine Is Still Losing So What Is Its Plan?

Russian and Donbas forces have cleared the city of Mariupol except for the giant metallurgic complex of Azovstal which is held by some estimated 4,000 men, including many from the fascist Azov battalion.

On Sunday Russia opened corridors across the front line and asked for those forces to surrender. However the Zelensky government ordered them to stay and to continue to bind Russian forces which otherwise could be used elsewhere:

Russia had given the Ukrainian fighters in Mariupol until Sunday morning to lay down their weapons or be “eliminated.” On Sunday, the forces at the plant ignored the deadline, and Ukrainian officials vowed that they would not surrender. In response, the Russian assault intensified, with missiles and bombs hitting the city and new attacks occurring near the plant, according to the Ukrainian military.
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Ukrainian officials said on Sunday that the struggle was not over for Mariupol, which for two months has tied up Russian troops and resources that are badly needed elsewhere.

The Azovstal complex is a 2 by 2 miles industrial area. It can be surrounded and controlled by a relatively small force. Those within the area no longer have heavy artillery ammunition and presumably little other supplies. The Russian forces can see and bomb anything that moves on the open ground and can otherwise sit back and wait their enemies out.

I do not believe that holding on to Azovstal will significantly delay the upcoming second phase of the Russian operation which will surround and destroy the Ukrainian army on the Donbas front.

The Russian military has two huge advantage over the Ukrainian forces in the east. One is of course its air superiority. The other is the unimpeded supply line which allows it to get as much heavy artillery ammunition, fuel and food to its forces as it needs.

Without fuel the Ukrainian army can not move and without constant supply, especially of large amounts of artillery munitions, it can not counter Russian artillery which will be in heavy use against it.

This pictures of a former Ukrainian position show the devastating result of such a situation.


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Nearly all of the Ukrainian ammunition and fuel supplies have been bombed and destroyed. What is trickling in through its western borders has difficulties to reach the eastern front and is anyway not enough to supply an actively fighting and maneuvering army.

On April 16 Russia shot down a Ukrainian military transport plane that was bringing 'western' weapons to Odessa. Today it destroyed another ammunition depot near Lviv were 'western' weapons are crossing the border into Ukraine. Some bits of fuel allegedly still reach the Ukraine through trains from Moldova. But that is far from enough.

Here is a week old report on the fuel situation:

Since the beginning of the war, the number of gas stations in Ukraine has decreased three times, and private fuel consumption has decreased by about the same amount, said Sergey Kuyun, director of the A-95 consulting group.

“According to our estimates, a third of the total number of gas stations is operating, this is about 2.5 thousand stations, before the war there were 7.5 thousand. Of course, the main reason is the lack of fuel. Consumption has also decreased three times compared to the pre-war level,” he said at a closed briefing at the Media Center in Lviv on Monday.

At the same time, Kuyun noted that traders or network owners are forced to provide their most strategic and powerful facilities, located mainly in regional centers or on main routes, while peripheral stations are forced to stand idle, although there are also a lot of consumers there.

According to him, the shortage of fuel became especially aggravated after the shutdown of the Kremenchug Oil Refinery as a result of a missile attack by Russian invaders.
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On April 2, the Russian invaders destroyed the infrastructure of the Kremenchug oil refinery with their shelling, and it stopped working.

The damage done daily to the Ukrainian military and military industry is huge. One can get a sense of it when one reads through the briefings of the Russian defense ministry. From today's morning brief (here in full as some have difficulties accessing the site):

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision air-based missiles destroyed 16 military assets of Ukrainian overnight.

Among them: 5 enemy command posts, 1 fuel storage facility, 3 ammunition depots, as well as military personnel and equipment concentrated in Barvenkovo, Gulyai Pole, Kamyshevakha, Zelenoe Pole, Velikomikhailovka and Nikolaev.

Operational-tactical aviation hit 108 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment.

In addition, 1 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle was shot down by an air-to-air missile near Buda.

Army aviation destroyed 8 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, as well as up to a company of enemy manpower near Pashkovo, Veseloe and Illichevka.

Missile troops struck with high-precision Iskander land-based missiles. 4 arms depots and Ukrainian military equipment were destroyed, as well as 3 areas enemy manpower concentration near Popasnaya, Yampol and Kramotorsk.

Russian artillery units hit 315 Ukrainian assets overnight.

18 command posts, 22 artillery batteries, 1 OSA-AKM anti-aircraft missile system, as well as 275 enemy strong points and areas of concentration of enemy manpower were hit.

Russian air defence means shot down 3 Ukrainian combat aircraft in the air: 2 MiG-29 fighters near Izyum and 1 Su-25 near Avdeevka.

11 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were also shot down in the air near Klimovo, Nevelskoe, Novotroitskoe, Izyum, Panteleimonovka, Sladkovodnoe and Yasnoe. 10 large-calibre rockets fired by Ukrainian multiple rocket launchers at Chernobaevka were intercepted.

In total, 139 aircraft, 483 unmanned aerial vehicles, 250 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,326 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 254 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,004 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,184 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

This has now been going on daily for more than a month. While the precision of the above numbers is somewhat uncertain I do not think that they are exaggerated by much. Yesterday there was no particular heavy fighting and the equipment destroyed on that one day alone was already more than what the U.S. has in total promised to send.

That means that the military destruction and defeat of the Ukrainian forces in the country's east is all but assured.

What then is the strategy that government in Kiev and its overlords in Washington DC are following? Why has the Ukraine not given up? Why didn't it continue to negotiate with the Russian side?

Is their hope that their daily over the top 'Russia is losing' propaganda will create enough political momentum for a large scale NATO intervention?

That would end in a disaster for the NATO forces.

Russia is obviously prepared for it. It has so far held back large parts of its own forces. Russia has at least 12 tactical missile artillery brigades, each with 36 Iskander missile launchers and 144 fire ready missiles. Only three of the those brigades plus a third of two other ones have so far been committed:

Three brigades, or a total of 36 Iskander launchers (two missiles each plus two resupply missiles per launcher) were deployed to Belarus as part of the buildup to war in Ukraine. Two additional brigades (12 launchers) were also assigned to Russia's Southern Military District and moved forward in the area of Belgorod near the Russian border; and to the area of Krasnodar, south of Ukraine.

Most of the Russian airforce has likewise been held back.

On March 24 the Pentagon claimed that Russia was running out of precision munitions. However, if the Russian defense ministry report is correct, at least 16 precision air ground missiles and 7 Iskander were used just yesterday. To me that does not sound like 'limited supplies'.

Other issues:

Since Saturday Gonzalo Lira, who has been reported from Kharkov, is no longer reachable. He seems to have been captured or killed by the Ukrainian Gestapo-like SBU. Sadly I had expected that. Doing hours of Youtube live streams when your enemy controls the internet in your area is not very smart.

A picture of the damaged Russian cruiser Moscwa was published today.


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The Russian cruiser was damaged last week and sunk. The ship is listing and so it must have additional damage below its waterline. The picture shows fire midships on its port side where two of its close-in weapons systems and their ammunition storages are. The ships crane is deployed right above that area. The large anti-ship missiles towards the bow and the S-300 air defense launchers behind the deckhouse seem intact. The port side life rafts are no longer where they were and must have been launched. That means that a significant part of the crew likely got off the ship alive before it sank.

The picture does not tell us what has happened. Was this an accidental ammunition explosion as Russia had first claimed or was the ship hit by Ukrainian (or British?) anti-ship missiles as the Ukraine is claiming? We will have to wait for further reports to know that.

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Waterloo! Waterloo! Waterloo! morne plaine!
The defeat of Waterloo sealed the French imperial ambitions. Victor Hugo was too fanatical about this epic to accept a deserved defeat. The French left has been imbued with its moral superiority since the Revolution of 1789 and has subsequently led us into 130 years of colonial adventure.

In 1815, Napoleon, France and its army, weakened by 15 years of European wars, attempted, upon the Emperor's return from exile to the island of Elba, a risky and heroic maneuver once again.
As 400 years earlier and barely 200km further west, at Azincourt, French arrogance got bogged down, unable to adapt its tactics and logistics to the terrain and the hazards of war.
"waiting for Grouchy, came Blücher".
https://www.poetica.fr/poeme-7187/victor-hugo-expiation/

Le soir tombait; la lutte était ardente et noire.
Il avait l’offensive et presque la victoire;
Il tenait Wellington acculé sur un bois.
Sa lunette à la main, il observait parfois
Le centre du combat, point obscur où tressaille
La mêlée, effroyable et vivante broussaille,
Et parfois l’horizon, sombre comme la mer.
Soudain, joyeux, il dit: Grouchy! – C’était Blücher.
L’espoir changea de camp, le combat changea d’âme,
La mêlée en hurlant grandit comme une flamme.
La batterie anglaise écrasa nos carrés.

Phase 1 and then phase 2 and the management of the special operation proves that the Russian army masters these aspects. I have more confidence in Martianov than in the multitude of French generals who follow one another on television and predict that Putin will end up "À Sainte-Hélène" .

Posted by: La Bastille | Apr 19 2022 17:39 utc | 401

aquadraht | Apr 19 2022 16:29 utc | 372 "It also needs bidirectional data links between device and operator making it an easy target for locating and ECM."

I ran onto some pics showing set up EW systems that moved into Ukraine shortly after switchblades were making the news around Ukraine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 19 2022 17:42 utc | 402

Posted by: JustAnotherAussie | Apr 19 2022 17:23 utc | 384

Unfortunately, it did not happen exactly like that. According to Murad Gazdiev, the RT correspondent (and others), it's primarily people living around Azovstal that used the short lull. Unfortunately, the ones left in azovstal are civilians of different kind, https://t.me/msgazdiev/906:


About "peaceful citizens" on the territory of "Azovstal" in Mariupol: almost all of them are relatives of the nationalists of "Azov", security forces of the SBU and pro-Kiev officials who have been mocking pro-Russian citizens of Mariupol for years.

They were brought there at the very beginning of the attack on Mariupol so that they would be safe while the Nazis shot civilians who were trying to leave the city and burned entire neighborhoods.

No one was forcibly brought there, as, for example, to the Ilyich plant, and almost all civilians who are hiding on the territory of Azovstal could have left long ago (with the exception of those in residential buildings on the outskirts, who are still being held by nationalists).

Many came out, some did not.

What they are afraid of is understandable. They have seen enough of their own deeds in Mariupol: kidnappings, torture and murder for eight years — and they think that ours will behave the same way.

The difference is that we are not animals.

Posted by: Boo | Apr 19 2022 17:42 utc | 403

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 19 2022 17:38 utc | 391

Confirmed, https://t.me/BellumActaNews/75959:


[In reply to Bellum Acta - Intel, Urgent News and Archives]
#BREAKING
Ukrainian Media Channels report that, following the End of the Ultimatum (from today, 19/04) by Russian Federation Armed Forces to the Forces inside Azovstal, the Azovstal Industrial Plant was heavily bombed by Russian Aerospace Forces, presumably using the Strategic Bombers, and was almost completely destroyed!

According to the report by a Deputy Commander of the Azov Regiment Svyatoslav Palamar, "Heavy duty bombs" are being dropped on the plant, and "a lot of people" are under the rubble of the plant!


Posted by: Boo | Apr 19 2022 17:45 utc | 404

Serious question, why are so many yankees fascinated with things that go bang?

Posted by: Krypton | Apr 19 2022 16:44 utc | 377

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It's growing up being conditioned to fireworks, the national externalized orgasm every 4th of July.

Posted by: Vintage Red | Apr 19 2022 17:46 utc | 405

it never changes. kinda like NATO propaganda

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 19 2022 15:28 utc | 356

Thanks for your astute comments about some OT climate flim-flammery in here today. And thanks for even bringing it back around to the subject of believing NATO propaganda. For me, as a recovering slave, subjects like these (the Climate Catastrophe, WWIII) are a simple matter of self-respect, necessary for my own process of spiritual healing: When massa askes me to believe something incredibly wacky, then going along with such nonsense perpetuates my servitude.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 19 2022 17:48 utc | 406

It's a completely avoidable tragedy if the families of the Azov fighters are with them in the final hours, https://t.me/opersvodki/3595:


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At 16.10, after the expiration of the humanitarian corridors declared by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, Azovstal started working again in the industrial zone. None of the militants and their family members made an attempt to get out.

The footage allegedly shot in the dungeons of Azovstal with children and women may be staged. Such a video can be filmed even in a Kiev bomb shelter. It is noteworthy that not a single frame shows the leaders of the national battalion "Azov", constantly going on the air from blocked bunkers.

But if there really are children and women in the basements of Azovstal, then the militants are holding them as a human shield. We have been convinced of their vile tactics for a long time. Now they are showing their cowardice to the whole world.

@opersvodki

Posted by: Boo | Apr 19 2022 17:49 utc | 407

oldhippie | Apr 19 2022 17:28 utc | 387

Same as Syria. First the brainwashing into a religious or ideological cult then drugs to keep them fighting till the end. Apparently drugs are distributed to all the military in Ukraine, not just the nationalist battalions.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 19 2022 17:54 utc | 408

@boo

- so asovstahl is gone - maybe better to remove that name from the map :D

Posted by: Macpott | Apr 19 2022 17:56 utc | 409

In the politics of war, it may be better to leave whatever is below in Azovstal for later. Move on to next objective.
I wonder if any type of scanning devices will begin making a map of what is left underground. Damage would seem to be uneven over the area. Still alot to find when the time is right. Engineers drooling over the future project.
Any experts want to speculate?

Posted by: Michael | Apr 19 2022 17:58 utc | 410

Posted by: Unnamed | Apr 19 2022 17:32 utc | 388


In other words, Russia not only continues to subsidize Europe's industry with its gas and oil exports, but it directly funds the Ukrainian government, which is explicitly committed to the genocide of the Russian people

It's a scorpion dance, as is all human existence. Russia too, needs money, it strangles the enemy with one hand while trading with the other and likewise for the enemy.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 19 2022 18:08 utc | 411

Unnamed @388 & Arch Bungle @402--

As I've often written, Russia is keen to continue to be seen by the average European as their friend supplying them energy so they can continue to live and work, while its the average European's government who's their enemy by trying to curtail Russian energy imports so they must struggle to live without work. When explained thusly, it's easier to see the continuation of energy supplies is Russia's Information War reply. That's why Russian information sources are canceled so similar truths can't be read/heard/seen. Read the transcript of Lavrov's speech I posted. Was there a massive uprising of Europeans demanding to illegally sanction Russia and escalate extreme Russophobia or was it the governments of the "Collective West" that did all that under the orders of their master the Outlaw US Empire?

Is Russia soft for being humanitarian? Or is Russia practicing pragmatism by "speaking" to Europeans in such a manner? You work for VW in Germany. Do you demand the cutting of energy supplies so you lose your job? Or do you thank Russia for not cutting its energy deliveries despite the behavior of your government? Who is the common European's friend and foe?

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 19 2022 18:26 utc | 412

Peter AU1 @ 408

Plain amphetamine is real similar to Captagon. Reichswehr passed out just lots of speed through WWII. The only part of Weimar cafe culture they endorsed. US occupation in Germany picked up the pills. Where and how Elvis acquired the habit.

By now most should know speed kills. Maybe they do. One more phase of the death cult.

What gets me is someone pretending to be serious still believes death drugs and destruction can be productive. No, you can’t get there from here.

Going back to original discussion. Aleppo was reduced to rubble over a period of years. Mariupol happened really fast, weeks. It depleted ammo reserve. Assume they use up the ammo same manner anywhere they are active.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 19 2022 18:40 utc | 413

Posted by: Unnamed | Apr 19 2022 17:32 utc | 388


In other words, Russia not only continues to subsidize Europe's industry with its gas and oil exports, but it directly funds the Ukrainian government, which is explicitly committed to the genocide of the Russian people

It's a scorpion dance, as is all human existence. Russia too, needs money, it strangles the enemy with one hand while trading with the other and likewise for the enemy.

Posted by: Arch Bungle | Apr 19 2022 18:08 utc | 411

And it is often a good idea to give your enemies a reason to not get too carried away. Everybody needs to have something to lose, if you want to make something that could be called progress.

People are, after all, the top predators on the planet.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 19 2022 19:02 utc | 414

"What's the good of having an army if you don't use it?"

juliania | 371

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Those were the words of the dearly departed Saint Madeleine in a debate with the also infamous late Colin Powell. She was the same luminary who stated that 500 million dead children in Iraq "was worth it".

Our vile, psychotic political elites really have no clue of the well-earned disgust and contempt real American people harbor for them.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 19 2022 21:24 utc | 415

As to the Azovstal bunker myths, read xttps://t.me/OpenUkraine/14375 . Machine translation:

Fake: (xttps://telegra.ph/file/4af339efcc2b8208d58cd.jpg )The bomb shelters at Azovstal are a huge network of tunnels and six underground floors that no aerial bomb can penetrate. Writes about this (xttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10723249/GUY-ADAMS-reveals-Ukrainians-holding-beneath-smoking-ruins-Mariupol.html ) British Daily Mail.

Truth: In fact, there is nothing unusual in the dungeons of "Azovstal". As he writes (xttps://t.me/supertima/312 ) Timofey Vi, previously engaged in diggerism for a long time, there are no labyrinths or multi-level underground halls there.

About 10 thousand people worked at Azovstal, not 40, as the Daily Mail writes. For such a number, two large or several medium-sized bomb shelters are required.

Shelters under workshops are a very rare phenomenon, so they were built only in case of an acute shortage of space, for example on the ZIL in Moscow. In factories, shelters are built either under administrative and household complexes or are generally located separately. At Azovstal, at least one bomb shelter is standing alone — it is clearly visible at 00:50 in this video (https://t.me/rian_ru/159373 ).

Almost always, the shelter is isolated from other communications, there are no secret doors and passages. The shelter can go to the basement if it is under the building. If it is free—standing, it just has two inclined entrances.

There is indeed an underground floor under the workshops, but it is just a basement with a fairly high ceiling. It is needed for communications, water, gas, electricity supply and placement of the lower part of technological installations. Quite often, the partition between the underground floor of the workshop and the workshop itself is an ordinary metal flooring.

There are no long staircases and six underground floors. Shelters usually have only One and very rarely two floors.

All these structures are buried at the level of 5-6, maximum 10 meters. The basis of shelter protection is a concrete mattress on top and a hermodvery. Therefore, when a bomb hits, ordinary factory tunnels are destroyed very quickly. By the way, there are not so many of them there, since in factories communications are usually laid on top — there is no need to bury them in the ground.

Posted by: aquadraht | Apr 19 2022 21:33 utc | 416

Lol: from telegram

Тик Ток вернулся и доступен для скачивания в App Store пользователям из России.

Буржуи подумали и решили дальше засирать мозги молодняку. Tick Tok is back and is available for download in the App Store for users from Russia.

The bourgeoisie thought about it and decided to continue shitting the brains of the young.

Posted by: aquadraht | Apr 19 2022 21:45 utc | 417

Yes. And by definition, what cannot be measured properly, and therefore not falsifiable, is not science.
For some reason people seem unable to understand this extremely simple fact.
It is because their understanding is founded in ideology, not science.


Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 19 2022 14:12 utc | 352

Off topic but no more so than random holes in the ground.

It's my opinion that the Climate Change obsession was a ploy to distract from the very real pollution and destruction of the natural world that very much does effect our human existence.
If the anti Glyphosate movement were as loud and cashed up as the binary Climate Changers /Climate Deniers, things would be changing fast. Also ignored are dangerous toxic chemicals in general, as well as deforestation, factory farming etc.
I do not know for sure but its possible that burning of coal may be way down on the list of human caused harm to the planet.

Posted by: K | Apr 19 2022 22:15 utc | 418

oldhippie #413 and Peter AU1 #408

By now most should know speed kills. Maybe they do. One more phase of the death cult.

Speed also produces some fine music and art. A USA band made the music and an Aussie made the artwork - CREAM: Wheels of Fire.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 19 2022 22:24 utc | 419

K #418

I do not know for sure but its possible that burning of coal may be way down on the list of human caused harm to the planet.

Plastics ! wrap nicely over the top of the whole toxic cake.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 19 2022 22:31 utc | 420

Shame on me for not realizing sooner you are a pro-Russia troll. Such nice guys you all are. Again, shame on me.

Posted by: Jak Siemasz | Apr 19 2022 22:46 utc | 421

@ uncle tungsten | Apr 19 2022 22:24 utc | 419


Do you remember this bit of dialogue from a '67 American film?

Mr. Maguire: I want to say one word to you, Benjamin. Just one word.

Benjamin Braddock: Yes, sir.

Mr. Maguire: Are you listening?

Benjamin Braddock: Yes, I am.

Mr. Maguire: Plastics.

Benjamin: Exactly how do you mean?

Mr. Maguire: There is a great future in plastics. Think about it. Will you think about it?

Benjamin Braddock: Yes, I will.

Mr. Maguire: Okay. Enough said. That’s a deal.

Posted by: majoab | Apr 20 2022 0:23 utc | 422

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 19 2022 21:24 utc | 415

Thanks for tracking that down, Doug - it simply proves that outrageous statements remain with us in much the same way that heroic ones do. I'll give another from the opposite party : "You go to war with the army you have." Truly another idiocy that outlives its maker.

But the one that echoes for me in its truly encompassing accusatory but unbending significance is: "Do you know what you have done?" And we all know well who said that.

I did not equate Putin with Napoleon. I merely offered up the significance of the moment we are in. And I stand by that comparison because it gives me hope that destiny will afford us a peaceful end to this conflict.

Knowledge, as Putin and Lavrov demonstrate, is power.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 20 2022 2:20 utc | 423

karlov @ 383 on Glazyev :

"...One thing that we've all learned from his writings that's hugely important is the fact that Russia's Central Bank is set up as a Public Utility, not a Private Preserve, that does properly support the economy, but could do that much better. Additionally, my research shows that there are many other banks operating in the same capacity--supporting the economy and Russia's people that Gazyev ignores..."

Having only read the article at the Cradle about Glazyev, and being very ignorant where it concerns the economy, I bow to your research on the subject of his theories concerning the Central Bank. I would certainly sooner have reservations about those, did I study them as you have done. The above seems a more accurate representation than one article alone might reveal. Thank you for expressing your view on the matter here and in other posts as well.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 20 2022 2:52 utc | 424

I honestly doubt Ukraine has a plan. It was not a legitimate state in the first place. Since the dissolution of the USSR it has been an increasingly criminalised, corrupted wild West of Europe. They were already stealing the bitumen off the roads twenty years ago. The NAZI angle had been overtly cultivated there as far back as my childhood though, in the seventies. I recall the fierce nationalism of this Ukie chick at a joint Jamboree of scouts and guides and Ukrainians were there. I got a blow job and a lesson in how much Ukrainian Girl Scouts hated Russia. Nazi ideology, skinheads and the theme these Larpers get into isn't for the middle class, or working class, this is a theme for losers, bitter, lazy losers.

Kiev is just doing as they're told. No doubt on the basis of promises which I suspect are already starting to look a little frayed to the monkeys in Kiev. Zelenksy is smoking things and snorting others which probably cloud his judgement anyway. Anyone who took US/NATO promises seriously would have to be suffering some limitations upon their consciousnesses or be a Kurd. If there are plans, they will be personal exit strategies by such as the piano player which are unlikely to be as successful as Hitler's own which I think must have been one of the greatest disappearing acts of history even if the lid finally blew.. I feel sorry for Ukrainians. The only people who care about their welfare are the people attacking there country..

Posted by: Rabbitnexus | Apr 20 2022 4:40 utc | 425

karlov @ 383 on Glazyev :

"...One thing that we've all learned from his writings that's hugely important is the fact that Russia's Central Bank is set up as a Public Utility, not a Private Preserve, that does properly support the economy, but could do that much better. Additionally, my research shows that there are many other banks operating in the same capacity--supporting the economy and Russia's people that Gazyev ignores..."

Having only read the article at the Cradle about Glazyev, and being very ignorant where it concerns the economy, I bow to your research on the subject of his theories concerning the Central Bank. I would certainly sooner have reservations about those, did I study them as you have done. The above seems a more accurate representation than one article alone might reveal. Thank you for expressing your view on the matter here and in other posts as well.

Posted by: juliania | Apr 20 2022 2:52 utc | 424


Thanks Karl and Juliana, I did not know that Russian CB is not a private global bank.
However as in Australia if you try to figure out the actual governance of the CB it seems to not be a public Utility but rather a private and rather secretive institution. So it's a government bank in name only far as I can tell. It hope that is not the case in Russia.

Posted by: K | Apr 20 2022 5:16 utc | 426

@ Doug Hillman, #415

500,0000,000 dead Irqi kids...? I think you did a slip of a digit or two in that sentence. Last I knew, Iraq started with about 25 million people total in the 1990s. If they reached "500 million" kids by 2003, there was some very serious humping and fertilizing going on...

Posted by: DakotaRog | Apr 20 2022 5:26 utc | 427

Ok, digit slip of my own. 500,000,000...

Posted by: DakotaRog | Apr 20 2022 5:27 utc | 428

Mate. I'm a retired professional fireworks operator, used to own the best company in Western Oz. I have also made fireworks half my life. As well as stuff like C1, TNT and other cool things. You're talking about the spread of the majority of the debris my friend or maybe were much smaller and the holes seemed bigger. A few kilos of HE would be needed to blast an actual crater 2m across. Not 2 feet mate, 2 meters. Depends on the hardness of the ground too of course.

Posted by: Rabbitnexus | Apr 20 2022 5:29 utc | 429

Posted by: K | Apr 19 2022 22:15 utc | 418

It's my opinion that your obsession with fossil fuel proppaganda has blinded you to science, and the reason you buy it is because it is congenial to your ideology. the science itself started developing in the 1800's. why you people ignore common sense about how the world works to push this propaganda is not clear, but then it's the same thing I see in people who believe NATO propaganda or creationist propaganda or flat earth propaganda or "the moon landing was faked" propaganda. Each group, like you, claims there is a giant scientif conspiracy to suppress the truth about their hobbyhorse.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 20 2022 8:05 utc | 430

It's my opinion that your obsession with fossil fuel proppaganda has blinded you to science, and the reason you buy it is because it is congenial to your ideology.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 20 2022 8:05 utc | 430

I beg your pardon I'm not on board with fossil fuel propaganda did you even read my post? I spoke about pollution, agricultural chemicals, pesticides, deforestation, factory farming of animals.
What does any of that have to do with being brainwashed by the fossil fuel lobby?
And BTW what ideology do I appear to have? All of the above views are formed from my own personal experience and study, no one is telling me what to believe and trust me almost no one is focussed on the issues I listed above. The propaganda is all about "climate" from fossil fuel burning.

Posted by: K | Apr 20 2022 8:45 utc | 431

majoab #422

Thank you but I am not at all familiar with that give me a link or a title and I will see if I can get a utoob snip of the scene.

If not plastics then C8 or fluorohexamines (?) are a pernicious substance. Especially in USA.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 20 2022 9:18 utc | 432

On Benjamin Braddock: The Architects of Our Present Disaster by Benjamin Braddock.

He writes well in spite of the plastic.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 20 2022 9:52 utc | 433

What then is the strategy that government in Kiev and its overlords in Washington DC are following? Why has the Ukraine not given up? Why didn't it continue to negotiate with the Russian side?

Obviously, there is a combination of factors:

1. Prolong the conflict as long as possible - increase the costs for Russia (supply, ammunition, army food, fuel, etc. - all this costs money, this is a burden on the country's budget).
2. Prolong the conflict - increase the number of civilian casualties as much as possible, especially by creating monstrous fakes like Bucha, or barbaric terrorist attacks like the strike on the Kramatorsk railway station. Creating for the "whole world" a picture of "genocide", "mass victims of Russian aggression". For the Ukrainian regime/West, the more dead Ukrainians, the better.
3. Prolong the conflict - be able to destroy as much infrastructure and industrial facilities as possible. For Russia to get scorched earth and be forced to spend as much money as possible on restoration.
4. Prolong the conflict - try to expand it by drawing Poland, the Baltic states, and possibly other European countries into the war. Poland was already ready to send its troops and offered it to NATO partners.
5. Prolong the conflict - to make it burdensome for Russian society, thereby causing discontent and provoking protests.

And last but not least. It is important to remember/understand that the events in Ukraine are Russia's war with the US/collective West, not a war with Ukraine. Literally. The Ukrainian army is actively supplied with Western weapons, Ukrainian troops are trained by Western instructors, Western mercenaries (obviously not only mercenaries, but also special forces) are fighting against Russia/Donbass on the ground, the Ukrainian army receives all intelligence information from the US/West and uses it to strikes against Russian troops (and also, obviously, against their own population). The Ukrainian leadership receives political instructions (including on negotiating with the Russian Federation) from the US/West. Informational aggression (including active coverage in the press, bringing situations to an "international level") is carried out by the West - rumors about the "intention to use chemical weapons", 'false flag' productions like the "Bucha massacre" are obviously designed by the West (most likely, Great Britain), by the way , it has already been announced that the infamous White Helmets will take part in the "training" of Ukrainians in the "proper" coverage of incidents. In almost all respects, the actual enemy of the Russian Federation is the US/West, not Ukraine.

It's like ramming a wall with a car: it's not the car itself that rams the wall, but the driver - the one who filled the tank, got behind the wheel, turned on the engine, pressed the gas, turned the steering wheel on course and deliberately directed the car against the wall. The machine is just a tool. The Russian "wall" collides with the "driver" (USA/West), not the "car" (Ukraine).

That is why such transcendent anti-Russian hatred. That is why it is so important for J. Borrell(!) that the conflict ends with a military victory on the battlefield. A truly unprecedented statement by European diplomacy(!). It would be naive to assume that Borrell is so concerned about winning the Ukrainian regime. He is preoccupied with his winnings - i.e. win for the West. By the way, this is why the conflict is dragging on - the US/West (not Ukraine) is hoping to find a way not to lose.

The cruiser Moscow is, in my opinion, another manifestation of Russia's direct clash in the war with the USA/West (not with Ukraine). Exact information, apparently, will be made public after some time (months, years?). It looks like a successful sabotage carried out by the Western military.

Posted by: alaff | Apr 20 2022 11:35 utc | 434

Gosh, who needs Billion dollar Hypersonic missiles and Trillion dollar programs to make them go if a major asset like Russia's Moskva Showboat, one of the most heavily defended ships in the world, can be sunk by a couple old million dollar throwaways on a rainy day. Yeah, that's the ticket..

Posted by: L Garou | Apr 20 2022 14:20 utc | 435

Posted by: L Garou | Apr 20 2022 14:20 utc | 435
i don't think it was heavily defended at all. a comedian on Saturday Night Live did make "that's the ticket" well known, when he portrayed a serial liar.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 20 2022 15:24 utc | 436

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Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 20 2022 17:46 utc | 437

While the information is good, references to "Nazis" or "fascists" are just silly and play into the Russian BS narrative of the "great patriotic war". There is nothing "Nazi" or "fascist" about these half wits whose claim to fame is that they like to kill people. Nazis and fascists were opposed to usury and the international banking cartel which was installed during the 2014 coup. Nazis and fascists actually improved the lives of their citizens through creating jobs and legislating high employment standards which were enforced. That doesn`t make them flawless political philosophies, but none of that has happened in Ukraine.
It boggles my mind that so many people fail to understand that the WWII Ukrainian "Nazis" were primarily Galicians, who were problematic for the Austrian Empire. That these people would see Germans as liberating them from the (((Russians))) who starved to death millions of their family, friends, and neighbours, is not surprising. They joined the volunteer Waffen SS to fight communists forming their own brigade just as over 500,000 others from across Europe, had done. I live in an area where a large number of these emigrated post Soviet takeover a century ago. Not only do large numbers of these Ukrainians (Galicians) hate Russians, they hate Poles, Czechs, Germans and Hungarians, despite living 5000 miles away from events of over a century ago.
The Russian invasion was inevitable, given the psychopaths installed post coup were intent on installing nukes on Russia`s borders and prepared to slaughter everyone in Donetsk and Lugansk to accomplish that. The banker war on Russia and China, who seek to end the worthless petrodollar scam, is using Ukraine and Taiwan as the tools. The bankers will get their 3rd world war, irrespective of the rest of us want. All wars are banker wars.

Posted by: Curmudgeon | Apr 21 2022 16:15 utc | 438

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