Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
April 23, 2022

The 'Rules Based Order' Knows No Distance

Remarks by President Biden Providing an Update on Russia and Ukraine, Feb 15 2022

Nations have a right to sovereignty and territorial integrity. They have the freedom to set their own course and choose with whom they will associate.

The distance between the U.S. (New York) and the Ukraine (Lviv) is 7,194 kilometer (4,470 miles). The distance between Russia and Ukraine is zero kilometer (zero miles). They are neighboring countries.

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Readout of Senior Administration Travel to Hawaii, Fiji, Papua New Guinea, and Solomon Islands, Apr 22, 2022

The two sides engaged in substantial discussion around the recently signed security agreement between Solomon Islands and the People’s Republic of China (PRC). Solomon Islands representatives indicated that the agreement had solely domestic applications, but the U.S. delegation noted there are potential regional security implications of the accord, including for the United States and its allies and partners. The U.S. delegation outlined clear areas of concern with respect to the purpose, scope, and transparency of the agreement.

If steps are taken to establish a de facto permanent military presence, power-projection capabilities, or a military installation, the delegation noted that the United States would then have significant concerns and respond accordingly.

The distance between the continental U.S. (Los Angeles) and the Solomon Islands is 9,845 kilometer (6,118 miles). The distance between the continental China (Shanghai) and the Solomon Islands is 5,901 kilometer (3,667 miles).


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"...Some historians have argued that the Soviets were getting ready to invade Germany and had massive amounts of armaments staged and ready on the border..." Nemesis Calling @92

None that I know of. Who are they and what is their evidence? All the readily available evidence, including the success of the surprise attack and the disposition of the Red Army divisions suggests that Stalin was confident that Germany had no intention of attacking that year.

"This in conjunction with the economic war the west was perpetrating against Germany for their successes outside the influence of the western financial arrangement leads me to think that Germany under Hitler had every right to engage in war... "

Have you got your dates mixed up? Hitler attacked Poland in September 1939. He attacked Russia in late June 1941. By then any economic war the 'west' (which is to say the UK and Empire) was waging was in the context of a general war and was more than reciprocated by Germany and its allies in Occupied Europe.
How could that be a justification of its attack on the Soviet Union?

Like most neo-nazi historical revisionism yours suffers from neglect of the basic facts, one of which is that the Soviet Union had been under more or less strict economic sanctions-led by the UK- since 1919. The Soviet Union and Germany, however had, since the 1939 Pact been trading freely, in fact Russian raw materials were pouring westwards as the Wehrmacht moved in the opposite direction. The notion that the "west" and the Soviet Union were allied before Barbarossa is a fascist lie of very recent provenance. Even twenty years ago public opinion knew much better, but witnesses die. And lies take root.

What you are doing us whitewashing the Nazis. Why not tell the truth and say that you are a big fan of Hitler's, it was a pity that he lost the war, the 26 million Russians that died are no great loss, the Jews are a bad lot and the real enemy was, as Hitler realised, Communism.
Far better to say what you think than sneak around inventing history as you go and, incidentally slandering the current Russian government which has a reasonable justification for its current military action, whereas Germany's wars were barefaced acts of aggression.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 23 2022 21:35 utc | 101

The Nazi - fascist rats crawling out of their holes here like Roger, Nemesis Calling and the other crap.

this phenomenon has been observed on moon of alabama for years now, always when it comes to Putin and his politics, all the holocaust deniers, world war re-writers and hitler understanders and admirers come to the fore here at once.

maybe it has something to do with the attitude of the host, who obviously sees a progressive force in putin and his keyword giver dugin who are exhilarating mankind.

Posted by: thomas | Apr 23 2022 21:36 utc | 102

May be a bit OT, but here is an article about Nazis in the Ukraine from years ago from The Real News. It's completely relevant, given current events.

https://therealnews.com/the-us-is-arming-and-assisting-neo-nazis-in-ukraine-while-congress-debates-prohibition..

Posted by: vetinLA | Apr 23 2022 21:37 utc | 103

This morning after a few days, I was able to open strategic culture site, unfortunately this afternoon it gives a 403 forbidden message meaning the site is blocked by the server,wondering if everybody gets the same message, and if any Idea how to reach SC site, Thanks

Posted by: Kooshy | Apr 23 2022 21:54 utc | 104

James @ 94:

The Jam was popular (in an underground way) in Australia in the early 1980s. There may be old Jam videos of "Going Underground" and "A Town Called Malice" on YouTube. The band didn't last long as Paul Weller broke up the band at the peak of its success; his musical tastes were going in a different, more soulful direction at the time and his songs started to reflect that change.

Quite a few British punk / new wave bands of the time found fame earlier in Australia than at home. I think The Cure was one of these bands. I am not sure why: perhaps in those days getting gigs in Australia was easier for British bands then. FM radio was just starting in Australia at the time and new radio stations promoting alternative pop and rock were quick to establish themselves.

There may have been British expats with commercial music industry experience in Australia who saw an opportunity to bring new British bands here; I recall reading that the guy who promoted local Australian star Dave Warner (From The Suburbs) - he of "I'm Just A Suburban Boy" notoriety, later becoming a writer - was himself a Brit expat who in the late 60s / early 70s led an obscure Brit band Fuchsia. Fuchsia issued two albums and then disappeared. At least one of these albums has become a collector's item. Fuchsia was a prototype Electric Light Orchestra or Godspeed You Black Emperor band with a couple of members (both women) on violins.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 23 2022 21:56 utc | 105

It is curious to read all sorts of views here about Australia that really don't have any real depth of understanding how its history, politics and culture play into these international scenarios (excepting Aussie barflies of course). I applaud b for having the restraint not to weigh in on Australia's motives. It may appear that the country is a lapdog, etc etc of the US, until one remembers that, like Germany, government has always been the creature of an Atlanticist elite, first British (to 1942), then US. But this explains nothing about the population at large. Only Australians can explain Australia to outsiders I'm afraid̄—the alternatives are caricatures like Dundee, Simpsons on Australia, or tendentious dated English parodies that think we're all sitting round the billabong with our swags. I will never be told who or what we are by non-Australians.

Does that mean I'm not critical of my country and its government? Not at all. We are an adolescent settler oligarchy, socially conservative deep down but iconoclastic, cynical enough to be wary of identity politics but too lazy to critique it properly. We are a multicultural country that nevertheless produces abiding xenophobia and is marked by a latent racism toward Asia, especially China, that strongly fuels Sinophobic discourse. We have a brilliant scientific track record for such a young nation but our property-obsessed elites are generally poorly educated and ignorant and so fear universities and starve them of funding. We cut down our intellectual and academic tall poppies (brilliant high-achievers) who inevitably go overseas. Australians are disproportionally represented in professorships and senior management positions internationally because we do not make efforts to keep our best and brightest, mostly because locals think they're 'up themselves'. Think of the film industry: Hollywood is crawling with Aussies because we couldn't be bothered decently funding our own film industry.

Therein lies the problem with Australia: huge potential, self-sufficient in energy, food, space, brains. Could partner with China to be a terminus of BRI that stretched all the way to Hamburg. Could power Indonesia through renewable energy at cost. But culturally and politically we have centuries to go to liberate ourselves from the parochial and insular cringe we feel from an all-too-recent colonial self-loathing. Bob Hawke once said—brilliantly—"Australia has never been a society". Aussies here will know the significance of that observation. Whitlam (and Hawke-Keating to a far lesser extent) tried to make one. His was a heroic tragic failure, but I revere his memory all the same. His biggest obstacle was the suburban Aussie—who doesn't care about anything outside the boundaries of his property (hence the perspicacity of Hawke's observation).

Our history and its consequences are complex and not reducible to simple generalisations based on stereotypes of the country cultivated in the US or UK, or even Canada and NZ, close but still very differently trajectories. We have not had the kinds of events that build confident nationhood and so retain the adolescent's hesitancy about telling the Anglosphere to bugger off because we want to be part of it. But we also know what the cost of that is. Many here wouldn't know that Australia suffered more deaths and casualties in WW1 per capita than any other nation in that conflict: 60,000 dead, 156,000 wounded, 600,000 took part, endemic PTSD, for a nation of only 4 million. And for what?

ANZAC Day tomorrow: not a celebration of war but a tragic day to remember the cost of Australia's failure to unhitch itself from UK/US imperial agendas and perhaps a time to think of what we could be if we steered our own course. But it won't come soon. More blood will spill first—unless we just say no.

nb. Read Robert Hughes The Fatal Shore and Donald Horne The Lucky Country if you want to 'get' Australia.

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 23 2022 21:58 utc | 106

With US pressuring Finland and Sweden into NATO, Russia must resort to Chinese remedy. It should promptly - meaning NOW - drive 20-50 pylons into all over Baltic seabed, from St.Petersburg and all the way to Denmark, with stipulation that each of these reserves Russia’s right to build an artificial island in such spot. With construction slated to commence within 24 hours of Swedish or Finnish membership being finalized. Upon erecting each isle - however tiny - Moscow should proclaim it as its sovereign territory with corresponding territorial waters around it. Then it can keep enlarging them, placing military facilities on them, without paying any attention to heated western objections.
This is one of those situations where you only fight fire with even bigger fire.
Putin better wake up quickly. Lavrov’s tactics (consisting of meek diplomatic entreaties) don’t work anymore.

Posted by: Venom | Apr 23 2022 22:04 utc | 107

Posted by: Jen | Apr 23 2022 21:56 utc | 105

Your post reminds me again what giants in music we had here that were never promoted elsewhere: for every ACDC or INXS there was Aus Crawl, LRB (genius), Dragon, Divinyls, Angels, The Church, The Saints, Easybeats, Hoodoo Gurus, the Oils, god the list goes on and on. The history of OzRock is a glorious sub-chapter of music history known only to... well, us. Cultural cringe again. Is it an Irish thing I wonder.

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 23 2022 22:04 utc | 108

Patroklos | Apr 23 2022 21:58 utc | 106

In the last year or two before he died, Malcolm Fraser wrote a number of articles for 'The Conversation'. He firmly believed we had to separate from the US at that stage as our world is here in the Asia pacific. I went looking for them in relation the and earlier comment on Rudd but it appears since we have gone full anti China pro US they have been removed.

The was one article were he was interviewed about the 2013 false flag in Syria and gives his views o the US. https://theconversation.com/malcolm-fraser-syria-attack-illegal-17681
I felt back in 2014/15 or so that he was perhaps the one voice that may help change our trajectory but since he died, no other mainstream voice that wants to, or can speak out and be heard, then once Trump came to power it was just full on anti China in the oz establishment and media.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 23 2022 22:17 utc | 109

But there is simply no comparison between the role of the Crown in Dominion politics and that of the US Ambassador. This demonisation of the Monarchy has roots in a very weird neo-trotskyist cult, which also held that the Royal family dealt drugs in partnership with the Rockefeller family. Seeing these tropes, plus the old Rhodes connection, here is as unwelcome as it is surprising.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 22 2022 21:41 utc | 247


Well now.

I've been disappointed that you never came to debate the points I've made about the Windsor family and their corruption of the British Crown. But you never did.

I accepted your disgusting attack over the Northern England rape gangs, believing it the result of a misunderstanding.

But now this disgusting smear.

I don't know whether you've read any of the legal documents I have reproduced on the pages of this site. I suppose it is possible, with a little effort on your part, that you don't know of my personal experiences. And that my writings are grounded in my own personal experiences.

Nah. Who am I kidding. You know.

So to then reduce the matter to, and I quote

This demonisation of the Monarchy has roots in a very weird neo-trotskyist cult, which also held that the Royal family dealt drugs in partnership with the Rockefeller family. Seeing these tropes, plus the old Rhodes connection, here is as unwelcome as it is surprising.

Is calumny of the very highest order.

Substantiate what you say about a neo-trotskyist cult. Or withdraw.

Posted by: John Cleary | Apr 23 2022 22:17 utc | 110

@101 bevin

Here is a nice essay for you, Bevin. I found it deeply enriching. Hope you do, too.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 23 2022 22:24 utc | 111

@Posted by: William Gruff | Apr 23 2022 21:28 utc | 98

"The social sciences, which in a better world would be hard sciences, could give us the metrics to quantify "good" thoughts and opinions and distinguish them from "bad" thoughts and opinion"

We really don't know how the human brain works and human beings are sentient creatures with culture which does not lead to the social sciences ever being able to be "hard sciences". Going down that track can lead to a lot of dangerous stuff masquerading as "science". Too much like "Brave New World" for me. The definition of "bad" thoughts and opinions is always going to a subjective one.

The classical political economy of the nineteenth century certainly had to be broken up and defenestrated to remove its threat to the powerful, hence we get the technocratic economics, sociology and political science - especially in the US. Anthropology was very much weaponized by the West toward the rest.

Gramsci wrote from his prison cell how the elite utilize a hegemonic culture to gain indirect control over the masses, spread through many social institutions such as school, work, the church, and the media.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 23 2022 22:36 utc | 112

fuck yer an idiot Thomas

Posted by: Tannenhouser | Apr 23 2022 22:36 utc | 113

Bernays’ writings furnish is not a principle or tradition by which to evaluate the ["]appropriateness["] of propaganda [sic], but simply a means for shaping public opinion for any purpose whatsoever, whether beneficial to human beings or not."
Posted by: Roger | Apr 23 2022 20:13 utc | 85

That's what I said. public relations (PR): Bernays coined the term; "He was a 26-year-old publicist" talking his book.

I've read both books cover to cover long ago and summarized. Have you?

My understanding of Lippman's portfolio in FDR's administration derives from reading three volumes of Scheslinger's "New Deal" historiography, which is by no means a christ FDR biography or even hagiography. Have you?

I can't be certain, because you reply with excerpts from book reviews published by your "trusted sources" purporting personal knowledge of Goebble's library in "the twenties" which exclude the probability that he studied then applied psychology schema postulated (or terrorized, depending on one's political objecitive) in his lifetime by either Émile Durkheim or Freud ("his uncle") to state dictats. Context, the Z-people call it. From your source:

Freud sought to liberate [sic] people from their subconscious drives and desires [sic], Bernays wanted to harness those passions [sic] for commercial ends.

Is a ridiculous statement, except for that Bernay's business plan detail which I mentioned. It's obvious to anyone who has read Propaganda in its entirety. But there are few of those for reasons that Lippmann postulated, who even today rely on "social media" "transactional relationships" formerly known as "ad blocker" telecommunication to form opinions of distant events.

Do you every how the sanctity and objectivity of "free press" captured the imagination of western civilization despite the fact that no such institution has ever been realized?

Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 23 2022 22:37 utc | 114

@Bevin, my grandfather, who was in the Red Army stationed on the line between Germany and the Soviet Union wrote my grandmother a letter saying that there would undoubtedly be a war between the two because there were just too many Soviet tanks and armaments and that everyone was talking about an attack on the Germans. My mother talks about it all the time these days.

Posted by: Manage without me | Apr 23 2022 22:38 utc | 115

I'd like to believe some one contributing to this "community" can appreciate this journalistic effort to commit the past week apocrypha to social media truth.
Ukraine War Day #59: Premature Resurrection

Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 23 2022 22:52 utc | 116

@Posted by: thomas | Apr 23 2022 21:36 utc | 102

This is straight ad hominem attacks, which deserve removal from this blog. This is a blog to discuss ideas and facts, not to slander those who's ideas you don't like.

Nazi Germany was very heavily supported by the US (e.g. Ford) and other Western nations, Hitler's ideas about lebensraum were based upon the US genocide of the Amerindians and the theft of their lands, and Churchill was greatly impressed by Mussolini. The world is not as simple as official history would have us believe, nor people like yourself seem to believe. Poland was a near feudal militaristic shit hole in the 1930s with an elite that thought that they were stronger than they really were. And yes, Hitler was a monster and Stalin did really horrible things too.

The Ukraine has a significant Nazi element and became a vassal of the US/Europe after the 2014 coup, and was being built up by NATO to threaten/attack Russia. Putin is an authoritarian leader, but Russia has the right to remove a direct threat right on its border, especially when the West refuses to negotiate (Minsk, NATO membership etc.). Just as the US would have the right if Canada or Mexico became a vassal of Russia.

Just because you are butt-hurt by the facts doesn't allow you to slander others who raise them. Calling people holocaust deniers with absolutely no evidence is despicable.

Posted by: Roger | Apr 23 2022 22:52 utc | 117

SCARED STRAIGHT and rewarded with new phone and ISP access! in a PANDEMIC! PUTIN WAR! because valuable CIA ASSET!

Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 23 2022 22:57 utc | 118

@Patroklos sorry mate i disagree,those wars served their purpose much like the rest of the terror the US has unleashed on the rest of the world,both economic or military,ergo to maintain hegemony and the USD as global reserve currency,the American taxpayer much like his Langley masters lives well beyond his means,he keeps on shipping candy wrappers and getting real tangible goods in return,a free launch if I may say so.

Posted by: Lolgege | Apr 23 2022 22:57 utc | 119

Yes, if course The Soviets had their army ready and on the borders, it was obvious since 1934 the Nazis were coming for them.

In a similar fashion it became clear to Russia in 2014 the Nazis were once again coming for them.

Posted by: Haassaan | Apr 23 2022 23:00 utc | 120

thomas has a reputation.... ignore this poster... thanks...

@ Jen | Apr 23 2022 21:56 utc | 105

thanks jen! i was more caught up in the 70's and even 60's here in canada.. i guess i am telling you my age! i was out on the road beginning in 1980, and wasn't able to follow the music scene as much at the time, and was also getting very into jazz too which altered my perspective on the rock and original music i had grown up on, with many different influences from hendrix and etc, to eventually wayne shorter, and etc. etc... i sent a friend of mine yours and @ Patroklos | Apr 23 2022 22:04 utc | 108
post, as he is married to an australian lady for many years and loves australia and also is a huge music fan.. i am sure he will find all this quite interesting.. thanks!

Posted by: james | Apr 23 2022 23:00 utc | 121

@Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 23 2022 22:37 utc | 114

"Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one" A. J. Liebling. I couldn't put it better, but in school they work hard to brain wash the "fourth estate" and a "free press" into your heads. In the UK the BBC was always stated as being independent, even though it was a tool of the state.

To badly paraphrase Goebbels "if you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it to be true".

Posted by: Roger | Apr 23 2022 23:03 utc | 122

The signal to noise ratio in here has really gotten worse lately. Can we please refrain from personal attacks? When someone writes stuff you don't agree with, instead contribute a well researched rebuttal (or swallow your indignation and keep quiet).

Posted by: p | Apr 23 2022 23:07 utc | 123

Manage without me | Apr 23 2022 22:38 utc | 115

I think it goes back a bit further than that. The is a project going on to digitize soviet war records. Putin has spoken on that a few times. I believe Britain has similar records on the diplomatic stuff in the lead up to the war on the diplomatic side of things. I have also read it long ago before history began to be changed, but Russia/Soviet Union was always the main target and Stalin and the Soviet leadership were aware of that.

this is just from wikipedia but has always been part of my understanding of Hitlers Germany.
"Following Adolf Hitler's rise to power, Lebensraum became an ideological principle of Nazism and provided justification for the German territorial expansion into Central and Eastern Europe.[5] The Nazi Generalplan Ost policy ('Master Plan for the East') was based on its tenets. It stipulated that Germany required a Lebensraum necessary for its survival and that most of the indigenous populations of Central and Eastern Europe would have to be removed permanently (either through mass deportation to Siberia, extermination, or enslavement) including Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, Czech and other Slavic nations considered non-Aryan. The Nazi government aimed at repopulating these lands with Germanic colonists in the name of Lebensraum during and following World War II. [6][7][8][9] Entire indigenous populations were decimated by starvation, allowing for their own agricultural surplus to feed Germany.[6]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum

That is a big part of Nazi Germany and why the Soviet Union knew there was a war coming as they watched Germany re-militarize.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 23 2022 23:09 utc | 124

Did Rudd jump to the U.S. tune?
Posted by: Lysias | Apr 23 2022 19:13 utc | 68

Absolutely. However there are at least two US "Tunes".

The one is rabidly Anti Russian AKA the Dems the other is rabidly Anti China AKA the GOP. In reality just two sides of a coin. And before anyone jumps I know this is an over simplification. Both sides of politics in the US know that Imperialism needs war. It is only a matter of where it preferred to be staged as to which oligarchs benefit the most.

Being Australian my observation over many years is that our labor party is aligned to the US Dems. Julia Gillard went to work for a Clinton Foundation straight after her tenure as PM and it was she who stabbed Kevin Rudd in the back. Apparently Labor has been in the pockets of the US since at least Bob Hawke but I suspect much longer.

The right wing here is more anti China so more aligned with the US GOP.

Both parties are pro war and send our soldiers to all of them overtly or covertly. Both parties are actually right wing and moving further that way with each passing year.

However as a Labor PM Rudd is a bit of an anomaly, in the past he presented as being Pro China at least business wise, but in reality is actually rabidly anti China clothed in his nice eloquent style. If my categorisation of Aussie Puppet pollies is correct this would make Rudd more aligned with the US GOP. I didn't have the interest to follow his moves after he was axed maybe someone else could add to the story? I personally was sucked in by him at the time since he apologised most eloquently to our Indigenous people. So much for that eh?

There is a You Tube political commentator in OZ called Robbie Barwick who said in an interview with Daniel Dumbrill (Canadian living in China who is a Vlogger) that Kevin Rudd called Australian politicians who supported China "Rat F*****s. Somehow that didn't shock me. It does ring true and I recall the interviewee did state his source. it was a really informative interview for anyone who is interested.

I remember some one being interviewed saying that Bill Clinton's favourite joke was the one he played on the American people who believed he was a democrat.

I think a bit of that has gone on downunder as well. Maybe this applies to K Rudd and a few other so called lefty PM's from the past.

Aside from which US Oligarchy is paying the bribes here in OZ politics is more of a single flavour: neo liberalism with an extra helping of rorting and privatisation. All our pollies feed from this trough.

Definition: "Neoliberalism is a policy model that encompasses both politics and economics and seeks to transfer the control of economic factors from the public sector to the private sector. Many neoliberalism policies enhance the workings of free market capitalism and attempt to place limits on government spending, government regulation, and public ownership".

So yes all our PM's jump to what ever US tune is playing on the day. No exception. Ever. We have US missiles on our shores in at least 5 Military bases to seal the deal.

At the level of the "optics" inlocal politics it's clear that labor has agreed to be basically deplatformed since Gillard. Since then Labor couldn't even be arsed to support Aussie workers in any way at all, even to raise the dole to a reasonable living standard, or to mount any kind of inspiring election platform, correct me if I'm wrong.
They have no strong leadership and make blunders during the election cycle that could only be scripted. Albanese looks like he is is on some kind of pharmaceutical drugs as his speech is slurring in interviews. Or he is actually sick. (maybe of lying through his teeth)

I'm not addressing the liberals (Americans this is not equivalent to your Liberals) because they are self evidently revolting and their sins are public for all to see.

Aussies are fed up but being manipulated to vote for right wing "independents" who are the same old right in different clothes. Most Aussies really don't care as long as they have a lifestyle. They pick a side and argue about it but are not interested at all in whether either side is telling the truth. However our lifestyle might be in for a shock.

This seems bleak but honestly i think its been this way for nearly a century. Only difference is like all other places in the West its all coming out in the open. Covid was an eye opener.

I have great respect for all the countries who have tirelessly been telling the truth to the UN and all the dedicated journalists who have been saying as much to deaf ears for 10, 20 30 years.

Russia and China are finally strong enough to back up the truth telling with action. I think it will be for a far better world in the long run, but maybe not soon enough in our western democracies.

Posted by: K | Apr 23 2022 23:13 utc | 125

@120 Hassaan

What if when a country decides to put its people first, it stokes the ire of the global community?

What if Germany in deciding to wrest itself free from the chains of Weimar knew that war was inevitable and that world opinion would soon come for them? Would it be so horrible for them to redevelop their armaments in anticipation of the reaction from a hostile world order?

I implore the bar patrons to give a fair reading to my above linked essay.

The idea of Stalin's Soviet Union as some "sleepy and clumsy colossus" before the start of WW2 has been thoroughly debunked by the opening of Soviet archives in the last few decades.

Stalin was every bit the internationalist player in stoking tensions and playing both ends against the middle. I will give him this credit: I always thought the whole cult-of-the-leader image of Stalin betrayed an oafish stupidity about him, yet I know now he was a stone-cold fox.

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 23 2022 23:17 utc | 126

@Patrolkos, @Jen and @Peter Au thanks for your well rounded posts on OZ.

Posted by: K | Apr 23 2022 23:49 utc | 127


#--
The distance between Washington, DC to Tehran, Iran is 6,324.33 mi (10,178.02 km) per goog. Yet, all the "real" men want to go to Tehran.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 23 2022 15:39 utc | 39

Yeah, but that's not the distance "Washington" is worried about, is it? It's Jerusalem, if anything.

The US has a real beef with Iran, that's true, but that's about the petro-dollar. As have most of their trampling around the planet has been about, at least since Regan.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 23 2022 23:52 utc | 128

@126 Nemisis Calling

I don't think Stalin was dumb, he knew the Anglo Empire was gunning for him and using Germany to do the dirty work.

Hitler knew Germany was being used, but accepted the gambit with the theory a conquered Russia with its people enslaved or genocided would give Germany the resources and strategic depth it needed to fend off the Anglos.

Stalin was actual quite brilliant in his ability to fend off both the German Nazis and keep the Anglo Empire at bey. Threaded a geopolitical needle so to speak, which is something Putin is currently attempting.

I have no issues with Germany defending itself, the Anglo Empire was certainly gunning for them. I have a problem with Germany's defense according to Hitler requiring the genocide of Slavs and the Russian people.

The parallels are eerily similar to the German situation today. Once again being used to harm Russia, and in the process screwing themselves. The right answer then as in now is an alliance with Russia, or at least neutrality.

Posted by: Haassaan | Apr 24 2022 0:04 utc | 129

"a real beef with Iran, but that's about the petro-dollar"
OPEC est'd. 1960 7 years after the "1953 Iranian coup d'état", or overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddeg,h who sought to recover contracted royalties from British Petroleum operations in Iran, in favor of the USA's pocket monarch.

The Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) was founded in Baghdad, Iraq, with the signing of an agreement in September 1960 by five countries namely Islamic Republic of Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. They were to become the Founder Members of the Organization.

Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 24 2022 0:05 utc | 130

#--There are NO liberals in Washington, only corporate hacks.


Posted by: vetinLA | Apr 23 2022 20:02 utc | 81

Maybe secular is more appropriate? They think they are chosen because of their superior intellect, rather than by divine appointment.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 24 2022 0:07 utc | 131

I'm SICK TO DEATH of this incompetent psychopathic Admin!!

Posted by: Kay | Apr 24 2022 0:16 utc | 132

I've been waiting for the Ukraine "false flag" everyone predicts for the last six months... Still waiting.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 0:22 utc | 133

# --Posted by: hopehely | Apr 23 2022 20:03 utc | 82

In 1961, Kaganovitch was completely expelled from the party and became a pensioner living in Moscow. His grandchildren reported that following his dismissal from the Central Committee, Kaganovich who had a reputation for his temperamental and allegedly violent nature, never again shouted and became a devoted grandfather.

Kaganovich survived to the age of 97, dying just before the events that led to the final unraveling of the Soviet Union in 1991. He is buried in the famed Novodevichy Cemetery in Moscow.

https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Lazar_Kaganovich

-Jewish virtual library notes "Regarding Jewish matters, he was not only estranged from Zionism and the Bund, but he was also against the Yevsektsiya. While visiting the Jewish State Theater in the 1930s, he called to show real Jewish heroes like the Maccabeans and Bar-Kokhba. It is not clear what his role was in the Crimean Affair, and rumors say that he was in favor of a Jewish republic there."

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/kaganovich-lazar-moiseyevich

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 24 2022 0:23 utc | 134

Colleen McCulloch's "First Man in Rome" series of novels, although set in the declining years of the Roman Republic, are in fact really about the American Republic. She saw the parallels, and so do I, with three degrees in Classics and ancient history, and 15 years of experience in the U.S. military and 20 years in the U.S. federal government.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 24 2022 0:29 utc | 135

True to form, the BBC re-enforces the 'rules-based narrative' The Man Putin Couldn't Kill

Posted by: NotEinstein | Apr 24 2022 0:53 utc | 136

#--Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 24 2022 0:05 utc | 130

When Nixon went off the gold-standard, he made a deal with the Saudis/OPEC to only use dollar.

The oil-embargo is closely linked and of course the stagflation.

Then came woodoo- economics and the plunge-protection team.

And economic hit-men.

Saddam Hussein had just announce he was willing to sell oil in Euros when he suddenly was blamed for 9/11.

Mohammar Gaddafi had just introduced the gold dinar for use on the African continent.

I've said all my life that our sovereign wealth fund was a soria-moria castle - or a fata morgana in english.
but I wasn't expecting it to sink so willingly.

Man - the crap they teach in economics.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 24 2022 0:57 utc | 137

# --I'm SICK TO DEATH of this incompetent psychopathic Admin!!

Posted by: Kay | Apr 24 2022 0:16 utc | 132

You want someone to call an ambulance?

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 24 2022 1:00 utc | 138

@ Patroklos | Apr 23 2022 21:58 utc | 106 who wrote about AU

"
But culturally and politically we have centuries to go to liberate ourselves from the parochial and insular cringe we feel from an all-too-recent colonial self-loathing. Bob Hawke once said—brilliantly—"Australia has never been a society". Aussies here will know the significance of that observation. Whitlam (and Hawke-Keating to a far lesser extent) tried to make one. His was a heroic tragic failure, but I revere his memory all the same. His biggest obstacle was the suburban Aussie—who doesn't care about anything outside the boundaries of his property (hence the perspicacity of Hawke's observation).
"

I just want to note that America is not too far behind Australia in yet becoming a society and we have more than our share of the suburban Aussie types you write of.

I am of the belief that less than two years from now, if we can still chat like this, we will be amazed at how the world has changed and is changing still.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 24 2022 1:02 utc | 139

I wonder, MoA, if you realized that in your Part 1 comparison, US-Ukraine on the one side and Russia-Ukraine on the other, you had placed Russia's Ukraine dilemma identical to China in the Korea 1949/50 situation.

The Chinese struggled with the Korea problem for several months. It was the fifth poorest nation in the world, with no missiles, no aircraft that could fire anything, no warships, nothing except lots of horses and carbines. When the Chinese finally intervened in Dec 1949 (American troops had reached the Yalu tri-nation river border by Nov), it sent in 3 million soldiers, mostly aged between 18 and 21, mostly peasant boys and farmers. Almost a million were dead three years later. That war kept Taiwan still separate, but it won China 70 years of peace producing the economic and technological results you see today. Those results must do more, advancing China to the next stage; and the Chinese will always remember their forefathers whose sacrifices for future generations must never be wasted.

China hadn't come 5000 years only to be taken over by some barbarians again. China had tasted all that for 100 years. And then in March 2021 Yang Jiechi reminded Antony Blinken and Jake Sullivan of that history with the term yangren 洋人. Neither understood, of course.

The Chinese official translation then of yangren 洋人 was 'westerner' -- the translator was being polite, which is accurate but not true, linguistically. In the annals of Chinese history (eg. Book of Han, Sima Qian's Records of the Grand Historian) and other classical text, yangren 洋人 referred to the coalition of a dozen tribes called Xiongnu, in whom the Huns were the strongest and biggest. After waiting a century, the Han Wudi ruler (circa 100 BCE) finally launched also a 100-year-long campaign to crush them. The Xiongnu-Hun retreated to the northwest and Caucasus, and some 200 years later, made their move, circa 450 CE attacked Russia, crossing the Volga then reached Europe.

But note, the Xiongnu-Huns never, never, never came back to China and today they don't even have a nation-state to their name: absolutely none, not even a tombstone; totally finished.

Those two wars by China, against Huns and Americans, have a parallel encapsulated in the Yang's term yangren 洋人, which as a slur refers to a people living an ocean away (hence the script氵) whose finest literary, scientific and intellectual culture and civilization are confined to herding sheep 羊. The two script-words strung together produces yang 洋. That is, Yang had called Blinken and Sullivan barbarians. The Chinese (especially the pretty woman translator) naturally understood all that, but never the rest of the world, not even today.

When Russia told the Chinese leadership of their Ukraine plans, China told them the same dilemma we faced in Korea 1949. We can only hope they understood why we told them that, that is, truly, truly understand the necessity of their Ukraine decision, what that entails, the sacrifices and so on. But no Chinese, including Yang, told them about the lesson of the Huns, which is the more important of the two wars 2000 years apart. (Maybe it takes too long to explain and, besides, foreigners, including Russians, can never, never, never fathom Chinese culture, thought processes and rationality. Ten out of ten couldn't overcome the first hurdle: language.)

Hope all this helps to clarify and add value to your post.

PS: We heard Dmitry Medvedev, the other day, was talking about Sun Tzu? Really?

Posted by: C Forest | Apr 24 2022 1:04 utc | 140

@ Roger | Apr 23 2022 22:36 utc | 112 who wrote
"
We really don't know how the human brain works and human beings are sentient creatures with culture which does not lead to the social sciences ever being able to be "hard sciences". Going down that track can lead to a lot of dangerous stuff masquerading as "science". Too much like "Brave New World" for me. The definition of "bad" thoughts and opinions is always going to a subjective one.
"

While I agree about our ongoing ignorance about how we work, I think you might be surprised about what science has, and is continuing to discover, about how the human body operates. I got sideswiped by an SUV riding my bicycle almost 16 years ago and have healed the traumatic brain injury part by extensive use of a neuromodulation therapy called QEEG...more at my web site.

Let me jog your mind with a piece from my web site about the bio-electric view of our body's activities
"
Our Stupid Brain quotes from “Technical Foundations of Neurofeedback” by Thomas Collura.

“There is a tendency in Western society to think of human actions in terms of “voluntary”, in the sense that we first create a desire to do something and then instruct our brain to take care of the details. The reality is that this is somewhat backwards. As we have seen in our earlier example of the movement-related potential, the brain activity that leads to a voluntary movement precedes the movement by up to 1 1/2 seconds. That means that the very idea of the desire to perform the movement comes after the brain activity. As would seem necessary, the very desire to perform the action is a brain event, and hence is the result of brain processes. This challenges the idea that the conscious mind is “in charge” of the brain, and puts the cart on quite the other side of the horse……

The driving force for thought and action consists in the dynamic instability of the brain and its proclivity to always seek novelty, fulfillment, stimulation, safety, power, and other goals that it perceives.“
"

I will take the fact that I have not had any demons in my thoughts for over two years as proof enough for me that there are other than bio-chemical ways to alter (and hopefully improve) our mental health.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 24 2022 1:17 utc | 141

Chinese for "foreign devil" is yanggoeitz. Literally, "ghosts from over the sea".

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 24 2022 1:22 utc | 142

@ C Forest | Apr 24 2022 1:04 utc | 140 with the interpretation of yangren and the Russia/Ukraine comparison to China/Korea

Thanks for that perspective.

Some of us living under barbarians have studied some cultural anthropology and the 40 - 50K years before the Sumerian era when the West got stuck in this patriarchy/God of Mammon meme.

I appreciate the efforts of Russia and China to stand up to the anti-humanistic Western form of social organization.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 24 2022 1:29 utc | 143

Colleen McCulloch's "First Man in Rome" series of novels, although set in the declining years of the Roman Republic, are in fact really about the American Republic. She saw the parallels, and so do I, with three degrees in Classics and ancient history, and 15 years of experience in the U.S. military and 20 years in the U.S. federal government.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 24 2022 0:29 utc | 135

I loved that series of books and wasn't a fan of Ms Mc Cullough prior to that. She is a fine writer and researcher and tells a great story. I've only recently become interested in geo-politics by necessity almost and had a lot of catching up to do. So All of what you say went over my head when I read that series. More respect for Colleen if she was writing allegorically. I understand that Shakespeare had to do that too.
The Romans sure copped a lot in literature down through the centuries, the only empire people could write about safely since it was dead.

Posted by: K | Apr 24 2022 1:34 utc | 144

Manhattan Rally for Azov!

I feel like the American media may have been less than forthright about Ukraine.

Posted by: Will | Apr 24 2022 1:35 utc | 145

@C Forest @ 140

The Huns do have a nation state named after them - Hungary.

Posted by: Manage without me | Apr 24 2022 1:37 utc | 146

Peter AU1 @109--

I did some fishing around to see if The Archive's wayback machine might have something. I found a few items at The Conversation, "Malcolm Fraser: ‘we have lost our way’" and "Book review: Dangerous Allies by Malcolm Fraser" and five other items in between that can be found here. You said he wrote for the journal, so there ought to be more archived somewhere. He co-authored his Political Memoirs and a preview can be read here. Apparently, Dangerous Allies really stirred the pot, and there're numerous reviews and interviews with him as well as some videos. His papers are archived at Melbourne University, where it appears there's some search capability that I haven't explored.

I hope you find some of the above useful. I'd search more via the wayback machine to see if it has archived the missing journal articles you feel were scrubbed.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 24 2022 1:38 utc | 147

C Forrest @140--

Thanks very much for your commentary. There are times when it's a real shame this isn't an actual bar where we can have long conversations about myriad topics.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 24 2022 1:47 utc | 148

Manage without me | Apr 24 2022 1:37 utc | 146

Saying that -- just because of three Roman letters -- reveals the little you know about Hun history from 2,000 years ago which only the Chinese have produced in written text, recorded at that time, and which you can still find in the Beijing National Archives.

What do the Huns look like? What do they eat, how do they dress, can they write? With what? How do you record history always living on a horseback, some tents? Do they have a concept of the world? Even a nation-state? What about an ethical and political philosophy?

Your presumptuous, yet ignorant, even condescending attitude -- the-know-it-all westerner, claiming this, claiming that -- is so typical of Americans and Europeans today.

Posted by: C Forest | Apr 24 2022 1:53 utc | 149

On Richard Medhurst's Youtube channel... Don't know if this is new or a shortened version of his five hour live stream from the other day...

Gonzalo Lira SPEAKS OUT About His Arrest in Ukraine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhjcVTCDLLI

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 1:54 utc | 150

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 23 2022 22:04 utc | 108

Dragon were a great Kiwi band that made a name for themselves in Australia. I bought a Valiant Charger that once belonged to Dragon from a Kiwi friend in Kings Cross. The things I later found hidden away confirmed the cars provenance.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 24 2022 2:02 utc | 151

From Colonel Cassad Telegram channel...

Lithuanian Povilas Limontas (https://time.com/6168064/foreign-fighter-ukraine-frontline/?utm_source=twitter) joined the international legion in early March. The former bartender lasted about a month and returned to Lithuania on April 7th.

He did not name the reason for the return, but judging by the interview (https://time.com/6168064/foreign-fighter-ukraine-frontline/?utm_source=twitter) to TIME magazine, constant exposure to shelling and rare sleep did not suit him. In preparation for the battle, Limontas, who served in the army, only tried to shoot at targets with an AK-47, after which he was sent on missions. Here is how he describes one of them:

We came as reinforcements and did some shooting, but after a while we had to run, because one thing I learned in Lithuania is that if you are shooting with the Russians, you only have 10 minutes before they send artillery. The fight lasted five or ten minutes, but in my head it was like five seconds.

After returning to his homeland, the already former mercenary set out to appear in the media more often and remind people of donations for the army.

Got it, poor thing.

#Lithuania #Ukraine #mercenaries

Severyanochka (http://t.me/lady_north)

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 2:05 utc | 152

(Maybe it takes too long to explain and, besides, foreigners, including Russians, can never, never, never fathom Chinese culture, thought processes and rationality. Ten out of ten couldn't overcome the first hurdle: language.)
PS: We heard Dmitry Medvedev, the other day, was talking about Sun Tzu? Really?

Posted by: C Forest | Apr 24 2022 1:04 utc | 140

C forest not trees?

Thanks for comment, Chinese culture and history is awe inspiring! Chinese characters are so interesting being pictorial. It allows for many layers of meaning and the use of the whole brain, not just the the abstract "left" hemisphere. I have a close Chinese friend and I love listening to her describe meanings of characters. It is truly like talking in pictures.

No nations of the west learn from wars, we have no cultural memory and western history is so perverted that its almost useless. Your comment on the 2 wars is very interesting. China takes a long view and historical pain is not forgotten.

Putin and Xi seem to understand each other extremely well. From my albeit limited perspective not being Russian , Russians have far more in common with Chinese than almost any other modern culture. Its continuity of culture. Maybe North Korea would too as a very ancient culture. Syria and Iran come to mind as well. There are others but they have been greatly subverted by western occupation and $$$.

Beyond the fascinating inscutability of Chinese language and culture, Chinese are first and foremost human beings and we all share the same DNA. At that level we can all understand each other.

Posted by: K | Apr 24 2022 2:08 utc | 153

@C Forest, @149

hahahaha. Wow, you really like the ad hominems. I'm not the only one who thinks that Hungary is named after the Huns; the entire country of Hungary thinks the same thing. Are they also ignorant of their own history? You, of course, can teach us all the Truth, LOL.

Posted by: Manage without me | Apr 24 2022 2:12 utc | 154

@K, @ 153,

do we really share the same DNA? I'm not so sure. There are large groups of people, for example, who have no contribution from Neanderthals. And, one can accurately deduce the region of a person's ancestors from their DNA profile.... so, no.

Posted by: Manage without me | Apr 24 2022 2:14 utc | 155

Posted by: Will | Apr 24 2022 1:35 utc

This is beyond words really beyond sanity, the crowd is chanting AZOV, AZOV, an openly NAZI regiment with everything that comes with it, then some leader with a bullhorn says "But not only AZOV, also some other units and most of all the people of Mariupol.

Well the people of Mariupol in 2014 took over their own town and voted in a referendum to succeed from Ukraine and join the Dontesk Peoples Republic (DPR). Then the Ukrainian government because the regular army refused to fight their own people sent in the most radical nationalist and NAZIS folks they could find, The AZAV batallion that took over the town by force and instituted a regime of terror ever since.

This "virtue" signalling crowd is really something else

These folks protesting there don't have a clue about what's going on really

Posted by: Jimmy | Apr 24 2022 2:19 utc | 156

Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 1:54 utc | 150

Same interview. There was long blank sections at the start and I think at the end of the of the long video.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 2:19 utc | 157

Manage without me | Apr 24 2022 2:12 utc | 154

"ad hominems"? They are a necessity. It shows who and what you are because motivations count. But you digress from the fact of the matter... and fails to deal with the matter at stake (do you even know what that is?)

You: "Are they (Hungarians) also ignorant of their own history?" When do you want Hungarian history to begin? In 1918? Or you prefer 1867? Are you talking about the same Huns in 1867 as in the year 100 BCE?

Grow up, boy. Be humble, learn something -- another ad hominem for you. Goodbye boy! (I'm wasting time on you!)


Posted by: C Forest | Apr 24 2022 2:24 utc | 158

I almost always find Caitlan a good read, and with interesting analysis/opinions
Here she's spot on

a reminder that the real motto of the rogue US-centralized Empire is: "We Lied, We Cheated, We Stole." - mike pompeo


https://twitter.com/caitoz/status/1517862984005341184
Caitlin Johnstone ⏳ @caitoz

If you're on the side of the US empire on any issue you are on the wrong side. Doesn't mean the other side is always necessarily in the right, it just means a globe-spanning empire that's held together by lies, murder and tyranny will always be in the wrong. Yes it's that simple.

8:48 AM · Apr 23, 2022·Twitter Web App
710 Retweets 39 Quote Tweets 2,431 Likes

Posted by: michaelj72 | Apr 24 2022 2:34 utc | 159

Interesting article from Responsible Statecraft re: Israel's dilemma when it can't play both sides

Israel facing mounting pressure to pick a side in Russia-Ukraine war
Israeli officials admit that they’ll have little choice but to toe the Western line — and the Gulf states may soon face a similar choice.
APRIL 23, 2022 by James M. Dorsey at Responsible Statecraft

The supra-national NATO and EU organizations are crumbling around the edges having forced pseudo-sovereign members to pick the NATO/EU side.

Turkey plays both sides when possible, but went full NATO in Ukraine. Something, something, Motor Sich turbines for Turkish drones, etc. Not sure what act is more lethal for Turkey at this point: poking the bear or turning your back on it after thoroughly pissing it off. I guess we'll find out soon.

Now Israel is being forced by the U.S. to pick sides. Something, something, $38bn in military aid over ten years: 2017 - 2026.

Russia, thus far, has tolerated some Israeli poking (attacks on Damascus) as Russia stabilizes the intentionally destabilized Syria. But Israel recently accused Russia of committing war crimes in Ukraine (Bucha, etc.) and voted to suspend Moscow from the United Nations Human Rights Council.

Russia reminded Israel that a Syrian Buk M2E was able to take down one of two missiles Israeli fired into Damascus from F-16s over the Golan. Something nearly impossible without a feed from either Russian S-400 -or- Syrian S-300 systems. The message being: Russia reserves the right to turn over the S-300s to Syrian AD forces operating under the integrated Russian S-400 umbrella should Israel piss us off enough. That kind of puts a kink in the old 'bomb Syria with impunity' scheme if Russia *and* Damascus controlled the skies over Syria.

And I still would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett and friends showed up in Moscow on the 5th of March. Why would Israel be so eager to be the broker between Russia and NATO over Ukraine? Makes me think Israel may have some other overriding (but unseen) interest in Ukraine besides diplomacy. Whatever that was is probably history now that Israel has jumped on the Russia Hater bandwagon, however reluctantly. Conspiracy theory-level of certainty on my part to be sure, but it seems Israel has something to hide in Ukraine, so the best they can hope for is some kind of NATO victory - thusly protecting their secrets. Surely they can't (privately) believe in that possibility. Russia will prevail and find whatever there is to find to de-nazify and de-militarize Ukraine. Even Israeli things, should they exist.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 24 2022 2:39 utc | 160

njet @24

"You speak of grandfathers of present-day German politicians being fascists. The latest New Yorker says that Putin's grandfather was the cook for both Lenin and Stalin. Maybe he invented poutine".

My Great, Great Grandfather was a cook for Napoleon..... on the island of St Helena, perhaps he invented Napolean Brandy?

I doubt was ever able to eat or drink with Napoleon, as far as I can tell GGGF was fed the left overs and had his meals in slave quarters with others of his ilk.

Posted by: Menz | Apr 24 2022 2:40 utc | 161

karlof1 | Apr 24 2022 1:38 utc | 147

Thanks. I will look into some of those links and the wayback machine.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 2:41 utc | 162

First, I apologize for being on topic. . . not

@ Peter AU1 109
Fraser. . . we had to separate from the US at that stage as our world is here in the Asia pacific

We need to give Morrison some credit along those lines. Rather than send his foreign minister, Payne, he sent a junior (and got blasted for it.)
Morrison:

“The judgement was made not to engage at a Foreign Minister level ... to ensure that Australia’s views were communicated very clearly and very respectfully,” Morrison said on Wednesday.
“One of the things you have got to be very, very cognisant of is there is a long history of, frankly, countries like Australia and even New Zealand and others coming around and treating Pacific Islands like they should be doing what the big countries should tell them to do.”. . .here

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 24 2022 2:47 utc | 163

What is going on at this bar? its crazy with people taking posts completely out of context and being adversarial with zero provocation.

For whoever it was that did this to a comment i made in a longer post, completely skewing the intended meaning:
Humans are 99.9 % alike genetically. People who wants to focus on the .1 % difference are truly missing the point.
What i meant is that we all have much more in common than not. What's so upsetting to people about that statement?
Are there any mods on this thread? I guess B is overwhelmed these days with the long threads but seriously half of them are just a waste of space arguing over nothing. I preferred the old
'trolls" to the current chaos.
Is there not a rule at this bar to avoid personal attacks or deliberately create arguments? If not it seems there needs to be.

Reposting this from P, well said:

The signal to noise ratio in here has really gotten worse lately. Can we please refrain from personal attacks? When someone writes stuff you don't agree with, instead contribute a well researched rebuttal (or swallow your indignation and keep quiet).

Posted by: p | Apr 23 2022 23:07 utc | 123

Posted by: K | Apr 24 2022 2:47 utc | 164

@bevin | Apr 23 2022 21:35 utc | 101

Many thanks. Well said.

I haven’t been back to Spain for a couple of years, but there were “Historical Re-enactments of D-Day” on the beaches of Benidorm (and possibly elsewhere along the Mediterranean coast) in 2018/19 summer seasons featuring the supposed contribution of the forces of Spain under the Caudillo in the liberation of Western Europe. The rewriting of history has been going on for a long time.

Posted by: Cortes | Apr 24 2022 2:50 utc | 165

1] Liar Bidet's own words on 15-02-22, corrected to remove weasel-talking: "World War Two was a war of necessity. But if Russia attacks Ukraine, it would be a war of choice [.... gaslighting words removed....] necessitated by the threat of surprise nuclear attack through Nato encroachment right up to the borders of Russia -- all orchestrated by the Empire of Lies."


2] Lying Bidet Mouth also avered: "Nations have a right to sovereignty and territorial integrity. They have the freedom to set their own course and choose with whom they will associate."

But NOT the Solomons -- who MUST be subject to the West's control.

And NOT India -- who MUST buy only the West's weaponry and fossil energy.

The West MUST dominate the other 7/8ths of humanity (Zone B per Saker) because.... "democracy."

Posted by: kiwiklown | Apr 24 2022 2:51 utc | 166

The anglos have gotten into a tizzy....

Morrison ought to be shot, allowing China to steal a march in the Pacific “without firing a shot

We don’t want our own little Cuba off our coast.”

This is the end of our sovereignty and democracy.


[sic]

Listening to this tsunami of hysterics, one would thought that the chicoms have just landed in Canberra !

Turns out its over a bilateral security pact bet Solomon/China.

Such drama queens, those [five liars],
heheheh

Posted by: denk | Apr 24 2022 2:54 utc | 167

C Forest | Apr 24 2022 1:04 utc | 140

Thanks. Apart from the Mediterranean area/Roman Empire, China was the only other civilization with writing.
From Roman history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns#History.

They seem to have ended up splitting up and merged into other peoples of the area and as you say disappeared.
...........

As for the name Hungary.. "The name of Hungary could be a result of regular sound changes of Ungrian/Ugrian, and the fact that the Eastern Slavs referred to Hungarians as Ǫgry/Ǫgrove (sg. Ǫgrinŭ) seemed to confirm that.[9] Current literature favors the hypothesis that it comes from the name of the Turkic tribe Onoğur (which means "ten arrows" or "ten tribes").[10][11][12]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_language

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 2:56 utc | 168

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 2:19 utc | 157

Glad I decided to delete the five hour and just watch the shorter one, which I'm doing right now as I type this.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 24 2022 2:59 utc | 169

@Peter AU1 @ 168,

nice try, but one of the more popular names in Hungary during the centuries has been and is "Attila".

Posted by: Manage without me | Apr 24 2022 3:01 utc | 170

So what if little countries like Israel are armtwisted into opposing Russia. They are surrounded by populaces that hate them, and Saudi should be very careful, lest there house of saud falls. Part of the blowback will be big changes in the Mid East, and those two countries better watch out.

Posted by: Oh | Apr 24 2022 3:05 utc | 171

George Soros sees Ukraine as his best project ever.

From anti-spiegel in German so a translator is needed.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 24 2022 3:17 utc | 172

posted on an earlier thread but important
Hello Barflies

AN IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT BY FOREIGN MINISTER OF TURKEY, MEVLUT CAVUSOGLU

(available on RT and twitter)
"we closed airspace to Russia's military planes and even civilian planes going to Syria and carrying soldiers."

On top of closing the Bosphorus to Russian warships not based in the Black Sea, the Turkish authorities have closed their airspace to Russia.

It mean, the new route to Syria gets complicated as the detour will be sizable. from Russia over the Caspian sea, over Iran to Syria is a long long flight.

Is Erdogan bent on furthering his grip on Northern Syria? Is he trying to get concessions from Russia?

Russia would really need a friendly government in Turkey as the present one is unpredictable at best.

Posted by: CarlD | Apr 24 2022 2:58 utc | 480

Re 480,

I guess this puts us closer to the first delivery of nuclear strikes as Turkey has sizable armed forces and its geographical position needs a swift resolution.

Posted by: CarlD | Apr 24 2022 3:02 utc | 481

Posted by: CarlD | Apr 24 2022 3:22 utc | 173

bevin #101

That was well deserved and really well presented slap down, thank you.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 24 2022 3:23 utc | 174

Patroklos #106

ANZAC Day tomorrow: not a celebration of war but a tragic day to remember the cost of Australia's failure to unhitch itself from UK/US imperial agendas and perhaps a time to think of what we could be if we steered our own course. But it won't come soon. More blood will spill first—unless we just say no.

nb. Read Robert Hughes The Fatal Shore and Donald Horne The Lucky Country if you want to 'get' Australia.

Thank you I enjoyed every word of your post. Those two authors and books are treasures of awareness.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 24 2022 3:29 utc | 175

K | Apr 24 2022 2:08 utc | 153

I have a close Chinese friend and ...listening to her describe meanings of characters...is truly like talking in pictures.

That is how Chinese kids are taught from infancy, since 3000 years ago. What she has been describing is the mechanics of the language but with only very limited cultural and historical infusions into each character-word.

A Chinese employing a 'word' is like living through moments in history. And that's not an exaggeration. It is that each 'word' is not just highly contextualized but that the learner actually has to, literally, think through and therefore live each passing moment that comes with the 'words'.

This explains why a westerner can pick up word here and there but cannot find himself/herself relate to any of them since the person, unlike the Chinese, does not share in the continuity of that history and culture embedded in those words. Conversely, we can ordinarily still make sense of any historical text written, say, 3,000 years ago, or 4,000, because each Chinese know the epistemology.

I don't know how else to make my point any clearer. But one European who (inadvertently) managed to explain the essence of the Chinese language is Ludwig Wittgenstein in his 'Picture Theory of Language'. To western philosophers, then and even today, they were struck by his metaphysical philosophy of language and truth: that is, all that the world needs to know, understand or try to entangle, philosophically, already exists -- in the language. As a Chinese, reading him (Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus, 1921) however, it struck me that, therein, is the Chinese language in a nutshell. Here are the book's opening and closing lines:

The world is all that is the case.
The world is the totality of facts, not of things.
The world is determined by the facts, and by their being all the facts.

The limits of my language mean the limits of my world.
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.

Wittgenstein might make sense to me though not to you, because he describes in his metaphysics exactly how I, as Chinese, feel: Language is not simply an expression of a series of thought but a necessary activity, like breathing. But it is special to humans who have them in very advanced stages, vs other animals.

That, too, is the essence of Chinese philosophical thought: a person is never fully grown, ready-made (as in western ontology and theology), but is cultivated moment to moment in his/her inter-relationships with the world that language provides best. (This is why ancient Chinese consider Xiongnu-Huns barbarians though not in an derogatory sense since they merely have not refined nor systematically cultivated any clear language ability.)

For a better understanding of the above, Martin Heidegger is an excellent resource in his book Being and Time. These Germans... they are good!

Hope, K, this has been more useful...

Posted by: C Forest | Apr 24 2022 3:40 utc | 176

by: uncle tungsten | Apr 24 2022 3:23 utc | 174

Agreed.

UT - you have the best “handle”. I must re-read. So many acute observations. Possibly the favourite is him as a pain-in-the-arse teenager presuming to educate his parents on a car journey to the south of France.

Posted by: Cortes | Apr 24 2022 3:43 utc | 177

NotEinstein | Apr 24 2022 0:53 utc | 136

OK, I watched The Man Putin Couldn't Kill, and, predictably, it is completely one-sided and attempts a white-wash of Nalvany. They mention that his daughter attends Stanford University, and that his son studies in Germany. There is no explanation of how he supports his family financially, so I assume it is not possible.

The Bellingcat assertion that the 'hit team' working out of the Signals Institute, which they claim is actually a chemical weapons development agency, had been tracking Navalny for over 3 years by proving flight and phone movement details. Together with the call by Navalny to one of the 'hit team' who 'spilled the beans' for 45 minutes - blue underpants, is damning if true.

They try to use the Belarus attempted coup, which they present as a nice lady almost getting elected, as the likely trigger. 'Putin's Palace' was trotted out, which I know has been thoroughly debunked by b, as well as John Helmer on his Dances with Bears web-site, as they did the whole Novichok poisoning narrative.

"Alexi Navalny will become President of the Russian Federation. He will become the leader that will turn back Russia on it's Democratic path."

Posted by: NotEinstein | Apr 24 2022 3:58 utc | 178

Manage Without Me @ 170:

That Attila is one of the most popular boys' names in Hungary is not in itself proof that modern Hungarians are direct genetic or cultural descendants of the Huns. The Hungarian lexicon of children's names borrows from all cultures that have existed in their part of Europe. The Huns must have been such a terrifying force during Roman times that people remembered them and their leader long after the disappearance of both the Huns and Rome, and the Avars and Magyars who settled in the region picked up the stories and grasped that the name Attila was still scaring the bejesus out of people so they adopted it as their own.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 24 2022 4:07 utc | 179

Hope, K, this has been more useful...
Posted by: C Forest | Apr 24 2022 3:40 utc | 176

Yes thanks. I'm not sure if I read correctly but you are assuming my chinese friend is not steeped in her own history. is that what you meant by:
"What she has been describing is the mechanics of the language but with only very limited cultural and historical infusions into each character-word" ?

It is quite the opposite she is amazing for a younger gen raised in China or anywhere for that matter. An old soul I would say. She is a skilled TCM practitioner trained in China and when she translates for me it always has an historical context. That's why I find it so interesting we can chat for hours back and forth.

Don't be too presumptuous that westerners cannot understand or empathise with the Chinese culture, it may be rare but I am having no problem at all and I am sure that I'm not unique. Thanks for the interesting history and translations, please keep them coming when you are inspired to do so.

Posted by: K | Apr 24 2022 4:29 utc | 180

The US has a real beef with Iran, that's true, but that's about the petro-dollar. As have most of their trampling around the planet has been about, at least since Regan.
Posted by: Anne B | Apr 23 2022 23:52 utc | 128

Anne B, Thank you for the reply.

Of course the case of enmity between the two side is much more complex than just the petrodollar. Petrodollar IS a part of it, but it has more to do with the easy access and theft of Iranian resources, which are many.

The West, lead by England [I am entirely too repulsed to call it UK, or GB], has been on the forefront of much misery in Iran, at least since discovery of oil in Persian Golf region in the early 1900s. It even caused famine between 1919-1921, in Iran wiping out a third of the population, approximately 10 million people, for England rerouted staples designed for Iranian consumers to it’s troops in the region.

Now, true independence is very costly, and those costs are being born by average Iranians every day. Cruel sanction and much more has been tried, but I believe it has made Iran a much more resilient entity as a result of becoming more self-sufficient across the board, going from a rentier-state to a producer-state. Sanctions have also insulated the Iranian economy away from the West and kept it, shall we say, clean.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 24 2022 4:59 utc | 181

An international rules based order is superior to the international law based order in that it allows for that very essential pillar of Western Democracy ie one rule for me and another rule for you, at the UNSC!!!!?

Posted by: Anon | Apr 24 2022 5:00 utc | 182

Posted by: Manage without me | Apr 23 2022 22:38 utc | 115


@Bevin, my grandfather, who was in the Red Army stationed on the line between Germany and the Soviet Union wrote my grandmother a letter saying that there would undoubtedly be a war between the two because there were just too many Soviet tanks and armaments and that everyone was talking about an attack on the Germans. My mother talks about it all the time these days.

That doesn't prove anything, though. Soldiers typically know almost nothing about what is going on operationally or strategically, and because of this grossly inaccurate gossip is rife. This was the case in both the German and Soviet armies of WWII.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Apr 24 2022 5:03 utc | 183

@ Jimmy | Apr 23 2022 19:32 utc | 75 and your other posts...

thanks.. i find your commentary insightful... keep posting...

@ C Forest | Apr 24 2022 1:04 utc | 140

i also found this post insightful.. thanks... i don't recall you posting at moa before... try to ignore any posters here who don't know what they are talking about..

Posted by: james | Apr 24 2022 5:10 utc | 184

@Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 23 2022 10:16 utc | 1

"Washington thinks and acts like it is the Manifest Destiny of the us to rule the world in perpetuity."

Did you know?

Masons at Work.
They chose those two words very carefully.

By common numerology
Manifest Destiny
equals
double 33.

33 --- Masons luv this number

33 33 is double potent
or would that be potent squared?

manifest destiny
41596512 4512957 <=== the numerology equivalents for each letter
33 33 <=== totals


The word potent itself totals 27 in numerology and 27 is these numbers added up:

3 3 3
3 3 3
3 3 3

The above is a square by the way.


-----

Realized something this morning

Order of the Garter

is also double 33

Order Garter
69459 719259
33 33

Garter has the added advantage of beginning
with the 7th number - G
Anyone that has driven past a Mason lodge
has noticed the prominent and big letter G
on the building.

Posted by: librul | Apr 24 2022 5:17 utc | 185

@ CarlD | Apr 24 2022 3:22 utc | 173

here is how it is being described in the turkish paper daily sabah - english version..

Turkey closes airspace to Russian military aircraft to Syria

Posted by: james | Apr 24 2022 5:22 utc | 186

A very interesting development.

Since August 1945, no Western allies with nukes, including Oz. Gave a rat's ass about the struggling newly independent Pacific Islander's.

Now , fast forward to today. At the bottom of the eastern Pacific Ocean, are ore rich Manganese nodules. Giving these poor islanders with 200nm economic zones Possess a truly fantastic source of royalty wealth.

Now, the Chinese were very annoyed. When , the greedy Yankee Pirates stopped the building of a new canal via Nicaragua.

The US now hates the popular with very grateful newly educated peons of country "N" ! The almost untouchable President Daniel O! Of country 'N"..... Because , he is a big threat to end the domination of P......... scam income earner. The reason for the cancellation. Was cited as "environmental reason's", back in 2015.

In Honduras, a study was undertaken for a massive coast to coast shipping container freight rail line....... Now, why was the former President of country 'H' arrested on...

Do we remember the fate of Manuel Noriega of Country "P"? Back in the days, of the infamous US inspired! Slaughter the peon fest in South America..............
Yet , the untrained Daniel O's peons. Basically defeated all of the professionally trained US "Fort B" graduate insurgents. Then again , we all love good conspiracy theories??????????

The joke here, is that never before did Yankee Pirates long history of total slavery and exploitation of the poor. Gave a rat's ass about spoiling the environment in South America and the Caribbean! Monroe declared; "All of South America is ours! Hands Off!"!

The Chinese really do think long. When it comes to resources.

Here in the west our near useless corporate 'rent a politician'! Pick any party! Are totally full of 2% promises. Only, think in basic election cycles. Until the next time!

Back to Oz, 2022. A famous political saying is that "opposition's do not win elections" ! It is only due to the current ruling party self destructing internally. Literally covered in it's own stenchy' waste. dirt and trash.

A fun fact about the current PM of Oz. One called " Scott Morrespin". He is basically a 'religious fruit loop'! He is in fact living in denial of many things. This also includes climate change or global warming! Oz strategic oil reserves are basically down to when the next super Oil Tanker arrives at the Oz government funded to the tune of $470 million Kangaroo Dollars give or take. It is called the "Kurnell Caltex Oil Refinery"........
.
The second fun fact : most senior ranking members of the two party ruling coalition "LNP" are also in denial of climate change. Some of the newly endorsed members. hold very strange personal views. The lower ground members hold complete 180 degree views.

Then again, as an elected Oz Federal Party MP. Your personal/political views permitted in public. Are those as dictated by your "Kiss Murdoch's Posterior" PR friendly party leader......
.
The Oz Labor Party leader Anthony(sailing in the wind) Albanese. He is the current Captain of a sailing a ship with a broken main mast and rudder. On one hand due to de-industrialization of Oz. He has lost all but the die hard party fanatics. Currently both parties are seeking via assorted cash for votes of the uncommitted 4.5 million swing voters.

Now , there are two things to watch for in the new Oz election.

One, there are two lower house swinging in the wind swing voter seats in Tasmania. Currently held by the "LNP" . Or complete clowns and fools forced to support Euro 'Country "U" the neo-nazi's'. Should these fall, Oz gets a new government!

As, for the Senate or upper house. Due to the effect of "True proportional Quota plus one Voting System". This usual guarantees the first three on either major party voting is given a State senate seat. The remaining left over State seats. Usually become independents. Or green Senators.............

Interestingly, with this style 'Victorian Ballot'. The lower house has the no votes wasted two party preferred system. Plus the odd popular local independent. Known as a non aligned "crossbencher"!

The Yankees/Pommies(Oz UK resident slang) are really afraid of this system. They both operate on waste the split voting first past the post. As it allows for the election of easily bribed by cash geriatric members. Who should have retired from politics. At least, thirty plus years ago.......... In Oz, the notional Federal MP retirement age is around 65 years old....

For truly electoral dirty tricks US style. I refer you to Waukesha County in Wisconsin. At times up to 97% of the residents turn out to vote???????????? The average for the rest of clunky loser declares on the lost split waste the vote US system is ...............

As for week day polling , November XXXX. States and counties roll in a large number of local and state based votes required too. Polling booths vary from private houses , Fire Stations or others. The polling booths follow no set hours. Due to being a working week day. Get the drift, the world's greatest Fake D................. In the making!!

One , well known undocumented US Republican Polar Party dirty trick! Is the use of fake postal votes. In many places in the US outside your local major Supermarket. You will find a petition booth. Does anyone, actually read the small fine print on the back of the last page? Why did Donald Trump complain about a rigged "Postal Vote" , 2020?????? Truth, is stranger than fiction.

Posted by: Bad Deal Motors On | Apr 24 2022 5:28 utc | 187

Posted by: C Forest | Apr 24 2022 1:04 utc | 140

I fully relate to you statement as it gives some very interesting insights on chinese culture and history. However I still need to digest and double proove for myself.

I see the "barbarian" part of western world, especially the anglo-saxon part of it. The english elite and its history is full of criminals, thiefs (corsars, plundering colonists), dealers (opium wars) and sabotage workers (start of 1st WW due to berlin-bagdad line etc.).

Later US took over the dirty work of this elite providing hardware and manpower.

One question regarding korea war that still I dont get clear (perhaps due to lack of history knowledge):

Why was the involvement of the Chinese in Korean war so important? What was the threat for China that is so high that the were ready to sacrifice 3 Mio young Chinese? What would have happen to China if South Korea (that means US) won the war?

Any link or book advice would be great.

Posted by: Rasta | Apr 24 2022 5:37 utc | 188

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 24 2022 3:29 utc | 175

Thanks UT and rock-on brother. Have a Tooheys or two for me tomorrow.

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 24 2022 5:59 utc | 189

In the Solomons, aussies were caught off guard. They got complacent, then they overreached and got their ass handed to it.

Pretty much since it's discovery, the Pacific Islands were treated as the 3rd World private backyard of Australia and NZ, living off crumbs from their tables. Their elites would send their kids to AU/NZ to study, subservience was thus ensured or so they thought.

No one gave a damn about these people in AU/NZ unless it was a rugby world cup year. Humanitarian aids were drip fed only when necessary so the whites can feel all warm and fuzzy in their grandeur.

For the longest time China had their own domestic problem to deal with, but finally it could play the same game as Taiwan and the west did, which is to essentially buy UN votes and influence. But instead of gunboats and FUD it would extend trade and development. Realizing their gig's up, the west got its collective panties in a twist.

For the first time the Solomons and other islands felt like they were actually wanted and that they could ACTUALLY negotiate for a deal FOR THEMSELVES. How fresh is that?

To AU/NZ the islands were golf courses with a country attached to it which also happens to produce cheap labor.

The Solomon unrest was started by the old western-leaning elites with the anti-chinese actions fanned by the west. A great tell was the fact that the Taiwanese on the island immediately put on Taiwan flag patches to identify themselves. It must be standard issue items for Taiwanese expats lol.

The west expected status quo and thought the Solomons will just roll over and side with the old west. They were wrong, they were outplayed and they are furious.

Posted by: A.L. | Apr 24 2022 6:09 utc | 190

Sanctions have also insulated the Iranian economy away from the West and kept it, shall we say, clean.
Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 24 2022 4:59 utc | 181

Thank you for posting about Iran. Information about the non anglosphere is always interesting. Who would have thought that sanctions would in some cases, turn out to be more of a boon than a curse? Many nations turning the stick into a carrot for self sufficiency.

Posted by: K | Apr 24 2022 6:09 utc | 191

Rasta | Apr 24 2022 5:37 utc | 188

It was in C Forrest's first post and it was the same as anyone I think who has read about the Korean war understands it. China did not want US on its border. Same as Russia does not want US on its border.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 6:25 utc | 192

Posted by: C Forest | Apr 24 2022 1:04 utc | 140

What a load of rubbish.

洋人 literally means 'ocean people'. 洋 means ocean. It is accurate and in no way condescending.

Even the well known Cantonese term 鬼佬 'gwai lo' is not a rude description. It literally means 'ghost guy'. To the Chinese with our darker skin color, until the Caucasians the only time we would see someone with such fair skin tone is on corpses. Hence ghost.

You're pulling apart language you have no competence in and making inferences that aren't there.

Posted by: A.L. | Apr 24 2022 6:48 utc | 193

Posted by: SailorsWife | Apr 23 2022 21:31 utc | 100

Won't sell outside US. China won't buy nor will Europe.
You should see what movies are coming out of China and Russia - they don't show Americans in a charming light.

Zelensky is an actor - you can tell that because he uses coke - and plays the piano with an appendage.........not much to add really. Unlike Alec Baldwin he asks others to ship him the gun for others to use. He reads his lines sent by the Director in DC.

US should start to buy those wall maps from Europe that show USA off to the left side peripheral to Europe and Africa and Eurasia. No matter what Biden does US Irrelevance is becoming increasingly self-evident

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 24 2022 6:50 utc | 194

The Rules Based Order is global private finance which became the source of most/all international loans after 1971/1974 when the BIS Basel Committee got governments like Canada and South American countries, etc. to borrow from the private banking system instead of their own public bank.

China is now providing a good example of what a country can do if they keep their Central Bank public focused and not borrowing all from global private banking system.

If China and the Russian group of countries do develop an alternative Reserve Currency with any intrinsic value, it will be the death knell for the cult behind global private finance.....slowly at first and then the sharp knives will come out I fear.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 24 2022 6:54 utc | 195

There is also the issue of Winston Churchill's responsibility for the mass starvation of some 2 or 3 million people in eastern India in 1942 as a result of British requisitioning of all the area's food supplies for British war operations in Europe.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 23 2022 21:29 utc | 99

Obviously that was terribly unreasonable of him to have ships from Oz come to Europe to feed people in Britain rather than Bengal. Makes you wonder why USA did not rush in with humanitarian aid ?

Perhaps Britain should have cut a deal with Hitler to feed Bengal and offer to leave US-owned factories in Germany uncombed ? Or perhaps Britain should have surrendered so Bengal could be fed ? Why didn't USA stop Japanese bombing Calcutta ????

After all the British weren't involved in WW2 - it was ALL AMERICAN with Errol Flynn fighting in "Objective, Burma" (even though he was Ozzie) but it was ALWAYS USA and Britain was not really involved

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 24 2022 6:56 utc | 196

@Jen | Apr 24 2022 4:07 utc | 179

That Attila is one of the most popular boys' names in Hungary is not in itself proof that modern Hungarians are direct genetic or cultural descendants of the Huns.
I don't know any or this, but let me share a personal anecdote. Over 20 years ago, I worked for a company that brought me to visit a large shipyard outside of Pusan, South Korea. After the business of the day, we were invited to have a drink with the bosses. It was an odd experience, and I found myself talking about languages to one of them, korean was totally different from European languages etc., and only Finnish/Hungarian were somewhat separate from the rest in Europe. He told me what I then considered a crazy idea (but what do I know), that long ago a group in central asia started to migrate, one branch went east and another west. According to this understanding there were linguistic connections between the far east and Finnish/Hungarian.

I thought this was rather far fetched at the time, but I found the claims to be so remarkable that I still remember them.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 24 2022 7:00 utc | 197

As someone who had misfortune of sharing life with person with mental disorder (Narcissistic personality disorder) all I can say that behavior of US is in line with that mental illness, as well as with probably some other I don't know as much about.

It is pointless to argue, prove, use logic or try to change them. In their world, they are 110% correct. Rest of the planet can just smile, go by own plan and isolate them in their asylum so rest of the people don't get hurt by them any more.

Just like Russia and China are doing right now.

Posted by: Abe | Apr 24 2022 7:01 utc | 198

Posted by k @ 125

"...Being Australian my observation over many years is that our labor party is aligned to the US Dems. Julia Gillard went to work for a Clinton Foundation straight after her tenure as PM and it was she who stabbed Kevin Rudd in the back. Apparently Labor has been in the pockets of the US since at least Bob Hawke but I suspect much longer..."

This together with tags to other articles will tell you what you know about Rudd and his treacherous deputy Julia Gillard.

There is plenty of information on this now defunct site about some other Australian political figures from the past and present.

https://middleeastrealitycheck.blogspot.com/2019/01/kevin-rudds-pm-years.html

Posted by: Paul | Apr 24 2022 7:02 utc | 199

The Yankees/Pommies(Oz UK resident slang) are really afraid of this system. They both operate on waste the split voting first past the post. As it allows for the election of easily bribed by cash geriatric members. Who should have retired from politics. At least, thirty plus years ago.......... In Oz, the notional Federal MP retirement age is around 65 years old....


I suggest YOU research electoral systems within United Kingdom before pontificating. The Voting System in Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, London is NOT the same as in UK General elections or English Local Elections.

The N Ireland voting System was rigged to diminish Protestant votes.

Scotland, Wales, N Ireland have REGIONAL Government but not England. England is not permitted Regional Government because it would vote to leave United Kingdom as Russian Federal SSR left USSR in 1991. English Voters are prisoners of Celtic Fringe and cannot decide their own affairs.

Scottish, Welsh, N Irish MPs vote on English Matters whereas English cannot vote in Scottish, N Irish or Welsh matters.

Mitterand used to switch the Voting system between Presidential Elections depending on which one favoured him. PR is a joke -it empowers extremists as in Israel

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 24 2022 7:02 utc | 200

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