Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
April 23, 2022

The 'Rules Based Order' Knows No Distance

Remarks by President Biden Providing an Update on Russia and Ukraine, Feb 15 2022

Nations have a right to sovereignty and territorial integrity. They have the freedom to set their own course and choose with whom they will associate.

The distance between the U.S. (New York) and the Ukraine (Lviv) is 7,194 kilometer (4,470 miles). The distance between Russia and Ukraine is zero kilometer (zero miles). They are neighboring countries.

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Readout of Senior Administration Travel to Hawaii, Fiji, Papua New Guinea, and Solomon Islands, Apr 22, 2022

The two sides engaged in substantial discussion around the recently signed security agreement between Solomon Islands and the People’s Republic of China (PRC). Solomon Islands representatives indicated that the agreement had solely domestic applications, but the U.S. delegation noted there are potential regional security implications of the accord, including for the United States and its allies and partners. The U.S. delegation outlined clear areas of concern with respect to the purpose, scope, and transparency of the agreement.

If steps are taken to establish a de facto permanent military presence, power-projection capabilities, or a military installation, the delegation noted that the United States would then have significant concerns and respond accordingly.

The distance between the continental U.S. (Los Angeles) and the Solomon Islands is 9,845 kilometer (6,118 miles). The distance between the continental China (Shanghai) and the Solomon Islands is 5,901 kilometer (3,667 miles).


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But the USA's loyal poodles Australia and New Zealand are close to the Solomons. This explains why it is reasonable for the US to be concerned. /s

Posted by: Dave | Apr 24 2022 7:03 utc | 201

James @ 121:

I am sure some of the bands Patroklos mentioned @ 108 did achieve some overseas success. I think Midnight Oil toured the US in the past. The Church also had some success in the US as well. Divinyls / Christie Amphlett may have had some overseas success too.

If your friend is keen on Australian rock of the 1970s, I think one of the pivotal bands he should listen to is Radio Birdman. I do not know their material but some of it may be available on YouTube. Another band he should check out is The Scientists.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 24 2022 7:07 utc | 202

@Abe | Apr 24 2022 7:01 utc | 198

As someone who had misfortune of sharing life with person with mental disorder (Narcissistic personality disorder) all I can say that behavior of US is in line with that mental illness, as well as with probably some other I don't know as much about.
I have a similar horrible experience as a teenager, living in the house of a person with a mental disorder (a psychology report issued by a court proved it later), and I do agree with your assessment. The behavior of the US leadership is compatible with mental illness.

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 24 2022 7:25 utc | 203

Posted by: Norwegian | Apr 24 2022 7:25 utc | 203

Yes, with NPD their idea of grandeur is built in, in their mind everyone else are just object made to serve their desires, there is no empathy, there is no possibility what so ever to feel or take anyone else as equals.

So I think US and west will need lot of generations (after all the current ruling class dies off, and their offspring raise in new world that defies their illusions) before they can start behaving like one of equals in multi polar world.

Or, by looking at France or UK which still suffer from their grandeur, it may take even longer.

Posted by: Abe | Apr 24 2022 7:52 utc | 204

Posted by: Et Tu | Apr 23 2022 11:40 utc | 7

Chinese businesses have long been disliked in the Pacific and SE Asia. They tend to adopt ruthless practices that often result in overvharging or stealing their farmer customers land. Many countries have had riots against Chinese, not due to racism but due to them being crooks. Not sure about the Solomon's but expect the same thing.

Posted by: Organic | Apr 24 2022 7:54 utc | 205

What's the importance of Solomon Islands to China and the US?

Posted by: Ivan | Apr 23 2022 12:46 utc | 13

To Australia if China wanted to invade, which I very much doubt, then they would need go through Indonesian waters, something it is doubtful they would approve of. If they control the Solomon's if gives them an easy access and supply base without needing passage through Indonesia.

The current Australian PM is a fool that manufactured the China boogieman, probably at US urgings. Australia did well from Chinese trade, and friendly trade partners have no need for war. The media as usual are the real culprits, all of them constantly rant about the China danger now, opinion has thus changed.

The fool PM Morrison seems to want a war, but Australia has no effective defense, something most of the dopey population seem unaware if. Ukraine clearly demonstrates what happens when even a well armed country faces one with better tech. Australis has gone mad.

Posted by: Organic | Apr 24 2022 8:07 utc | 206

Organic | Apr 24 2022 7:54 utc | 205

Sort've like at Lambing flat.

Australians/Brits o the other had have always treated Polynesians well. https://poi-australia.com.au/kanakas/

Sort've like the goodness we brought to the human fauna that once called this place home and now wonder why they hang about at the outskirts of outback towns, doing a bit of petty thieving to pay for drugs or booze. Have a drive through the central and northwestern tows here in this fie country, the perhaps go to China and compare them to the muslim people of the west or or the people of the plateau.

organic? I have heard worm casings and bullshit are good for the garden.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 8:17 utc | 207


The Polish, as well as many others, do not come off well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRpsfJmtPNg&t=2686s

Posted by: Roger | Apr 23 2022 20:06 utc | 84

Wow thanks for that link... Almost every word he said about Poland can be applied to Ukraine today!

- Repression of minorities
- Mediaeval torture
- Execution of fleeing refugees
- Land blockade of exclave
- Psychotic war-mongering
- Refusal to negotiate
- British support
- French inaction

Astonishing... it's the same playbook!

Posted by: Browser | Apr 24 2022 8:24 utc | 208

Australis has gone mad.

Posted by: Organic | Apr 24 2022 8:07 utc | 206

Yet indeed, it had.

Just like the smallest lap dog is always the loudest, while the big dogs would stroll right by, unfazed.

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ANZAC Day tomorrow: not a celebration of war but a tragic day to remember the cost of Australia's failure to unhitch itself from UK/US imperial agendas and perhaps a time to think of what we could be if we steered our own course. But it won't come soon. More blood will spill first—unless we just say no.

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 23 2022 21:58 utc | 106

Totally agree. Thank you.

Posted by: A.L. | Apr 24 2022 8:32 utc | 209

Jen | Apr 24 2022 4:07 utc | 179

You cited 'Manage without me | Apr 24 2022 3:01 utc | 170'

“That Attila is one of the most popular boys' names in Hungary is not in itself proof that modern Hungarians are direct genetic or cultural descendants of the Huns.”

You are right, of course. Even that, I say, will be insufficient to change the minds of people like 'Manage without me'. Westerners -- and you see them everywhere online, from the academic papers to the Internet -- are so fond of this kind false logic, or syllogism:

“All English people have English names
George is an English name
Therefore, George must be English.”

To say Hungary is not Hun, there have been three explanations, factual, historical, and logical given to 'Manage without me' (what an idiotic name), such as one from 'Peter AU1'. Yet he comes back with this stupidity about Attila.

This then brings to the point, did morons like 'Manage without me' even go to school? Or, is that person simply born stupid? On my part, I don't even bother refuting it since, one suspects, that their claims are born out of their individual, personal bigotry -- an attitude you see that's no different from reading the NYT or the Guardian. Bigotry wasn't reasoned in and can't be reasoned out.

This is why I find such platforms to be a waste of time. Below is another example which is from K (@ K | Apr 24 2022 4:29 utc | 180) who still doesn't seem to comprehend what's the matter at stake no matter how hard and simply you try writing in English to explain. I repeat:

“The world is all that is the case... The limits of my language mean the limits of my world.”

In it one tries to explain the essence of the Chinese language (borrowing explanations from not the Chinese but Europeans, to wit Wittgenstein and Heidegger). It is to say that language, in this case, the Chinese language, goes beyond its historical and cultural context. Yet he comes back with this totally unrelated and spurious claim:

“Don't be too presumptuous that westerners cannot understand or empathise with the Chinese culture...”

You would think that Wittgenstein had make it clear: your world is a unique world in which only you yourself and your language thrives. Conversely, it makes difficult, if not impossible, for anyone else that doesn't possess your language to penetrate your world. I again borrow from Wittgenstein: "The world is all that is the case... The limits of my language mean the limits of my world."

What then has this to do with K's (or western) understanding and empathy? Nothing, other than for the fact K is employing western standards, frameworks and ideas he had soaked up in a western environment then applying that to the Chinese, in this case, me. This -- Chinese versus the West -- is racist at root.

In another phrasing, K is a prisoner of his own Anglophile world. But he can't accept that. Therefore K attempts to project onto others such trite western values as 'progressive' and 'liberal' whatever those are: "I understand and empathize with the Chinese." Who asked K for his understanding and empathy? Can't he see: We are not his colonial subjects anymore requiring his approval. We Chinese don't care for the West, not one bit, not even the Anglophiles of Hong Kong.

People like A.L., K and 'Manage without me' can't tolerate differences. These are pathetic people over the Internet and talking with them is so frustrating and wasteful.

(I'm promising myself to never again to respond to moronic comments, not even, as in this case, when writing to MoA in person that were remarks intended solely for the author and nobody else. Jen, I must now go and fetch the firewood before nightfall and before somebody throws the bamboo chair at me. Would you believe if I tell you, my girlfriend's family owns four mountains, all useless, except for the firewood they provide, and at one time a honey nest! On occasions mushrooms at this time of the year. Byebye, Jen. You are a rarity, if westerner.)

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james | Apr 24 2022 5:10 utc | 184
I rarely come and when I do, I avoid lingering in the Comments section. Most comments are revolting. It is not because opinions differ from mine – Chinese people can take that and we don't ban books like Lady Chaterley's Lover or Ulysses or cancel Copernicus. We don't accept those statements because they are simply false, on point of empirical fact, history and logic.

Take for example @A.L. | Apr 24 2022 6:48 utc | 193 . A.L.says yangren means 'ocean people'. If that is true, then what is hai 海 which, in all dictionaries, translates as ocean. But, you don't have to know Chinese to see A.L is lying. Empirically, (a) there is no ocean west of Xinjiang and Chang'an (the old Han capital) and across the entire central Asia until you reach the Caucasus. (b) If there is no ocean why did the ancient text use the term yangren 洋人 to describe tribes from the west? (c) What has the term, sheep 羊 , got to do with an ocean 海 other than the fact the tribes are nomadic herds people? Do you raise sheep in an ocean? (d) Why did Yang Jiechi in Alaska (following Sima Qian 2000 years earlier) use the term yangren 洋人 to refer to westerners and not use today's common term which is xifan ren西方人 (in literal translation, 'west/direction to and from/people').

So, can you see why this Comments section is so full of poison, with people like A.L. and 'Manage without me'. Instead of providing rational and intelligent support to their claims, they throw insults, calling me 'garbage' for instance. You can also see why, therefore, China banned most western platforms and social media. I have proposed going further: expelling any such person in China and declaring them persona non grata. They are a poison because we are dealing with Anglophone bigots, and stupid ones to boot. Today was my mistake coming here. But, it's Sunday now in China.

PS: I just spotted another bigot named 'Organic'.

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Rasta | Apr 24 2022 5:37 utc | 188
Why was the involvement of the Chinese in Korean war so important? What was the threat for China that is so high that the were ready to sacrifice 3 Mio young Chinese? What would have happen to China if South Korea (that means US) won the war?


I'm amazed anyone outside China even bother to ask because, in the English, there is no single book to begin to answer all your questions and others. (I have never seen any such.) That war, I have read in some English articles, is known as the forgotten war (Not in China though where it is remembered every year at around this time. Again, see the western egotistical bigotry: everything is about them!) It is forgotten to Americans because they had inflicted so much of barbarity, and Douglas MacArthur had proposed nuking China. Bombs with plague and other disease-infected insects and bugs were dropped on Korea, just as many also landing in north China. (See https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/4334133/ISC-Full-Report-Pub-Copy.pdf Also: http://www.news.cn/english/2021-08/27/c_1310153213.htm. The Japanese WWII Unit 731 whom Americans shipped off in its entirely to America and never put them on trial, were the first to try such methods on Chinese, dropping three cannisters full of rats from an airplane over a mountain top village where my family has a farm and home. Within a week, dead were my grandmother, my aunt (father's elder brother's wife) and her daughter, i.e. my cousin. They were the first to touch those cannisters that landed on the farm land where they were tilling. The plague spread quickly in the village which until then had never experienced such a thing in 1500 years of its recorded history, and they didn't know what was happening. The buboes, said my father, was as big pingpong balls and horridly painful.) Elsewhere in the English, there is much rewriting of history, as in Wiki. It is outrageous but see, for example, Stephen Endicott, Germ Warfare and "Plausible Denial": The Korean War, 1952-1953, in journal of Modern China, Vol. 5, No. 1 (Jan., 1979), Sage (https://www.jstor.org/journal/modernchina). Specifically, to your questions:

Q. “Why was the involvement of the Chinese in Korean war so important?” Important for China because the Americans had, at the eleventh hour, amassed some 80,000 troops along the Yalu river – literally waiting to cross – while they bombed bridges in Liaoning, the province next to Korea. Important for America...? What else?

Q. “What was the threat for China that is so high that the were ready to sacrifice 3 Mio young Chinese?” Same answer that Putin would have given on Ukraine. As for 3 million send, 1 million died. Officially, and until around 2010, the number was 197,653. These are soldiers who can be identified through their army badges, letters, personal belongings or human remains. The Chinese army doesn't have a category for MIA. Either one is dead or alive, never in between. http://world.people.com.cn/n/2014/1030/c1002-25939560.html . The soldiers knew what they were going into because of letters (written in Chinese, of course) to families back home. They were not sacrificed by the state. They volunteered and Chinese history is replete with tens of thousands of such personal accounts of commitments, including building the Great Wall, fighting off the Xiongnu, Mongols, Jurchen, Japanese, etc.... Most important factor, in answering to your question is, China had to made up in human numbers what it lacked in technology, war materials, and firepower. We had no choice but to ask for that many volunteers. My neighbor's grandfather was one of them. He never came back, and till today nobody knows what happened to him, and the family didn't install a memorial plaque and tablet (a place where you honour the man's memory with joss sticks and three kow-tows) for him until some years ago. Another missing and unaccounted for.

Q. “What would have happen to China if South Korea (that means US) won the war?” Dead Chinese, or made slaves! You think this is exaggeration, don't you? We were proven right when Vietnam was invaded a dozen years later. Pity them. They still suffer from its effects today: farms poisoned by Agent Orange and depleted uranium bombs, missing legs and hands from millions of mines and unexploded ordinances. America does what it does best: barbarism.

Posted by: C Forest | Apr 24 2022 8:35 utc | 210

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 24 2022 2:39 utc | 160

Interesting article from Responsible Statecraft re: Israel's dilemma when it can't play both sides
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Now Israel is being forced by the U.S. to pick sides. Something, something, $38bn in military aid over ten years: 2017 - 2026.

Russia, thus far, has tolerated some Israeli poking (attacks on Damascus) as Russia stabilizes the intentionally destabilized Syria. But Israel recently accused Russia of committing war crimes in Ukraine (Bucha, etc.) and voted to suspend Moscow from the United Nations Human Rights Council.

Russia reminded Israel that a Syrian Buk M2E was able to take down one of two missiles Israeli fired into Damascus from F-16s over the Golan. Something nearly impossible without a feed from either Russian S-400 -or- Syrian S-300 systems. The message being: Russia reserves the right to turn over the S-300s to Syrian AD forces operating under the integrated Russian S-400 umbrella should Israel piss us off enough. That kind of puts a kink in the old 'bomb Syria with impunity' scheme if Russia *and* Damascus controlled the skies over Syria.
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Israel's position in this conflict is certainly interesting to follow. My impression for its relative discretion is also that it doesn't want to upset the status quo by which it can freely attack Syrian territory at the time and place of its choosing.

There is, however, a very wide margin for Russian actions here. But before even talking about military assistance, Russia could start by actually acknowledging these recurrent acts of war. Currently it acts as if it doesn't see anything, which, in my mind, can be interpreted as either indifference or tacit blessing.

Formerly condemning the attacks would be a nice show of support for Syria and, in my mind, would be a bare minimum that certainly doesn't carry the cost and risk associated with direct military involvement. It would, however, help chip away at the narrative armour that shields all things Israeli related. That battle of attrition has to start somewhere.

By the way, those Israeli attacks are not limited to Damascus and evidently cover all of Syria. Well, except for NATO occupied territory, obviously.

Posted by: robin | Apr 24 2022 8:39 utc | 211

Such people would have turned the boats or shot them on the beaches. You know the story of Sir Thomas Whitehttp://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/white-sir-thomas-walter-12013 who was then a minister of the crown and there was a refugee conference in Evian in France and there were 31 countries involved.

What can the world do, what can we do, as relatively wealthy nations about the Jews trying to flee Nazi Germany and people then knew what they were trying to do.

Sir Thomas White, speaking on behalf of Australia, said in language only slightly more elegant than this, “Well, we would love to be able to help but we cannot. We have no racism in Australia and we have no intention of importing it.”

Perhaps they wheren't white... because prior to WWII, well up until the 60's it was a whites only policy. Prior to WWII no wogs from Europe neither. After WWII, fascist refugees were considered white.

He replied: “You’re insisting all these letters be properly answered. And there are a great many of them.”

“And why should not these letter be properly answered?”

“But Prime Minister, you don’t understand, they are only from members of the public.”

Eckersley: Very Sir Humphrey.

Fraser: This person would have out Sir Humpreheyed Sir Humphrey totally. Sir Humphrey was a minor example of a Canberra attitude.

Eckersley: We are running out of time so I only have the luxury of one more question. But I will follow this line. I think your vignettes tell us a great deal about the difficulty of the convention of ministerial responsibility.

Has it outgrown its usefulness? How can we devise a new way of exercising that convention and maintaining the accountability of not only government but also the bureaucracy?

Fraser: It is a question of integrity, it is a question of honour, it is a question of people being there for the sense of public service and not there for the sense of personal power. It really is.


https://theconversation.com/malcolm-fraser-we-have-lost-our-way-3734

karlof1, what I have been looking for has been deleted from our places of learning current propaganda. I guess it would appear in the book that you linked.

That Last answer by Fraser... that is why western society is f... and for quite some time.
Although a number don't seem to like him, it is something Lira hit on in his Nuland video. The mindset of the people in power now. The likes of Nuland there is a heredical hatred but also the education system is designed to turn out a product that conforms rather than thinks.
There was a aspect of that in the political system that Fraser also noted in the interview.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 8:56 utc | 212

ANZAC Day tomorrow: not a celebration of war but a tragic day to remember the cost of Australia's failure to unhitch itself from UK/US imperial agendas and perhaps a time to think of what we could be if we steered our own course. But it won't come soon. More blood will spill first—unless we just say no.
Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 23 2022 21:58 utc | 106

A word of thanks to you Patroklos, and to Peter AU1, Uncle Tungsten, Jen, Paul, and numerous others from ‘down there’ who enhance this blog. Juliania too.
May you keep on being heard until your populations rise up to make that NO a reality. May Caitlin Johnstone’s voice ring out around the world as well!

Some months ago the subject of Eric Bogle’s poignant song The Band Played Waltzing Matilda came up here and various versions were linked.
It's timely now so here again then is my fave: Band Played Waltzing Matilda

And so now every April, I sit on me porch, and I watch the parades pass before me
And I see my old comrades, how proudly they march, reviving old dreams of past glories
And the old men march slowly, old bones stiff and sore, the forgotten heroes of a forgotten war
And the young people ask, what are they marching for? ...and I ask myself the same question

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 24 2022 9:02 utc | 213

C Forest | Apr 24 2022 8:35 utc | 210

Did lump me in with that manage without me?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 9:07 utc | 214

Posted by: librul | Apr 24 2022 5:17 utc | 185

The Masons are really good at Sudoka too!
Sudokaman 364721415 = 33

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 24 2022 9:09 utc | 215

Wow thanks for that link... Almost every word he said about Poland can be applied to Ukraine today!

- Repression of minorities
- Mediaeval torture
- Execution of fleeing refugees
- Land blockade of exclave
- Psychotic war-mongering
- Refusal to negotiate
- British support
- French inaction

Astonishing... it's the same playbook!

Posted by: Browser | Apr 24 2022 8:24 utc | 208

Well, the Ukrainians during WWII were allies of your beloved Hitler and after raping Polish women during WWII liked to cut off their breasts. Otherwise yeah, exactly the same.

Posted by: RJB | Apr 24 2022 9:13 utc | 216

Russia reminded Israel that a Syrian Buk M2E was able to take down one of two missiles Israeli fired into Damascus from F-16s over the Golan. Something nearly impossible without a feed from either Russian S-400 -or- Syrian S-300 systems

More critical for Israel is Russian long-range radars cover the entirety of Israel and Cyprus. Russian EW systems could shut down Israeli electronic systems domestically.

Israel has been probing Russian systems for the USA in Syria - it is a game - Israel even worked with Greece to game the old export model S-300s that Greece owns to test countermeasures.

When the Russian military gets really irritated it will de-activate the Israeli Air Force leaving it blind........then the US carriers will need to divert their attention to protect their homeland in the Middle East

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 24 2022 9:21 utc | 217

waynorinorway | Apr 24 2022 9:02 utc | 213

I was asked to march in the group of descendants of my grandfathers battalion. He had wrote in his diary at one point - we will never go away again to fight other foreign war. He never attended a battalion get together so either did I.
That march of immortals in Russia- it a good thing. To remember them is good for the descendants. But we go away to fight empire's wars rather than defend our land and that is unchanged.
I guess I view those young men that went away similar to the passengers of MH17. Sacrificed for the british empire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 9:23 utc | 218

@PeterAU #205

"organic? I have heard worm casings and bullshit are good for the garden."

That seems unnecessarily aggressive, although you are certainly not the only one (I plead guilty myself), and actually I agree with much of what you say. No I am not the forum police - but I personally prefer a forum conducted in a respectful way, and I am just expressing that preference.

Posted by: Tim | Apr 24 2022 9:29 utc | 219

Posted by: james | Apr 24 2022 5:22 utc | 186

@ CarlD | Apr 24 2022 3:22 utc | 173

here is how it is being described in the turkish paper daily sabah - english version..

Turkey closes airspace to Russian military aircraft to Syria


This sounds like a significant development.

Posted by: robin | Apr 24 2022 9:33 utc | 220

Posted by C Forest | Apr 24 2022 8:35 utc | 210

"In another phrasing, K is a prisoner of his own Anglophile world. But he can't accept that. Therefore K attempts to project onto others such trite western values as 'progressive' and 'liberal' whatever those are: "I understand and empathize with the Chinese." Who asked K for his understanding and empathy? Can't he see: We are not his colonial subjects anymore requiring his approval. We Chinese don't care for the West, not one bit, not even the Anglophiles of Hong Kong".

WTF are you snorting ?

First of all I am a she not a he.
Second you are completely misunderstand and misrepresenting what I was communicating. I am neither progressive nor liberal, If anything i'm a socialist interested in Marxism and I'm a person with feelings and empathy so that's what I do with people in general, its not about what race they are.

Fine if you don't care for the west, I don't blame you one bit.
I don't care if you are Chinese or Iranian, ( I didn't know what nationality you were) I assume that we are both human beings and can find a way to communicate if we want to.
Well I hope at least you got a pile of shit off your chest with that rant.

Boy this bar is toxic lately. I'm not sure its worth it anymore.

Posted by: K | Apr 24 2022 9:34 utc | 221

My father in law fought in WWII. He never went to any battalion gettogethers nor anzac day stuff

My wife and her mother just go to an anzac day church service. Like my grandfather in WWI, he was an eager volunteer when he joined. both saw out their time (until the job was done) and both received medals.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 9:36 utc | 222

Posted by: C Forest

I am not Hungarian but I believe their history in the current geographic location goes back at least to 1000. Why mention 1868 or 1917?

I’ve lived in China for 6 years. Great country and great people. However I’ve met assholes like C Forest, full of themselves, feeling superior and entitled. One denied by his friends played on the strings of my wife’s heart and forced himself and his mother into our Shanghai apartment when I was on a short trip back home to the US. When I came back they felt more at home in my apartment than I was. I had to cut that short ending a lucrative contract with a Swiss based company. Fortunately it was the right time to leave China just before Covid.
Hopefully most Chinese and people in power in China are more humble culturally and I wish them success.

It says a lot that C Forest likes to quote the Nazi Heidegger.

Posted by: RJB | Apr 24 2022 9:41 utc | 223

Tim | Apr 24 2022 9:29 utc | 219

I have a fault or two. Two to start with - first I am a shitkicker (no education), second I get too cranky. Make that three, I drink too much now. That second one I try to work on. The list of my bad points would be much longer I guess so you may be better off concentrating on the exceptionally short list of my good points, Though i guess even that is like beauty. All in the eye of the beholder.

But you are very much right. I have my short comings - it is something I recognize.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 9:49 utc | 224

K | Apr 24 2022 9:34 utc | 221

K stick with it. A smart arse clown with an anglo name. At first I took it as genuine, the history was likely correct but what is it - some woke historian?

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 9:55 utc | 225

#--Israel's position in this conflict is certainly interesting to follow. My impression for its relative discretion is also that it doesn't want to upset the status quo by which it can freely attack Syrian territory at the time and place of its choosing.

Posted by: robin | Apr 24 2022 8:39 utc | 211

--- Bennet has to consider the Russian immigrants, and the powerful group of US based dual citizens, amongst a plethora of other groups. The easiest way out, is to bomb something to sooth the spirit.

The money masters are obviously hedging

https://news.yahoo.com/israel-adds-chinas-yuan-first-133259326.html

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 24 2022 10:00 utc | 226

RJB | Apr 24 2022 9:41 utc | 223

I doubt the clown is even Chinese or if it is its one of those so called dissidents living in US or wherever. That bullshit making out to be Chinese with full on anglo name.
That is something that really pisses me off. If somebody makes out they're Asian here but posts with an Anglo name. massive inferiority complex or pure bullshitter.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 10:02 utc | 227

#--Boy this bar is toxic lately. I'm not sure its worth it anymore.

Posted by: K | Apr 24 2022 9:34 utc | 221


Hold your nose, and keep at it! You're doing fine!

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 24 2022 10:12 utc | 228

C Forest is definitely fake.

Posted by: ETA | Apr 24 2022 10:13 utc | 229

#--Boy this bar is toxic lately. I'm not sure its worth it anymore.

Posted by: K | Apr 24 2022 9:34 utc | 221


Hold your nose, and keep at it! You're doing fine!

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 24 2022 10:12 utc | 228

This is exactly what the trolls want, don't give up.

Posted by: ETA | Apr 24 2022 10:28 utc | 230

Bomb Honiara

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2022/04/bomb-honiara/

Australia now has no choice. It must force the deal to be retracted or it must force the Sogavare Government out of power.
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Whatever it takes now to prevent this outcome must happen. Either we undertake to destabilise the islands politically using whatever means necessary or we openly bomb Honiara into submission.

Posted by: ETA | Apr 24 2022 10:35 utc | 231

my post at Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 9:36 utc | 222 eeds a bit of edit for clarity or sobriety.
My grandfather was in the trenches of france and my father inlaw fought against the japanese in WWII? well at least he got a medal and whatever shit he got into for that is still classified. He was part of air defense in the islands and liked to talk about shooting down the american planes. He never went to any anzac day stuff. The joys of fighting for empire.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 10:55 utc | 232

Hold your nose, and keep at it! You're doing fine!

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 24 2022 10:12 utc | 228

This is exactly what the trolls want, don't give up.

Posted by: ETA | Apr 24 2022 10:28 utc | 230

Thanks very much for the encouragement.

Posted by: K | Apr 24 2022 11:48 utc | 233

The joys of fighting for empire.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 10:55 utc | 232

yes there wouldn't be many Aussie families who didn't lose a family member in WW1.
My grandfather was in the trenches and exposed to Mustard Gas. they sent him secretly to Ireland for 2 years I believe (will need to check that) to recover that's how sick he was. and he was never the same again. I never met him as he and my grandmother died quite young before i was born.
We only found out about it a few years ago from the War Archives in Canberra, the family knew nothing about it all these years. Mustard gas has been proven to effect the person's genes and it can be passed down the generations as cancer or other lung problems. My father died of lung cancer and was only a smoker early in life, so I suspect he may have received mutated genes from his father. We have a fair bit of unusual health issues in the extended family. Not to pin it all on that, but I was surprised at how much research has been done on Mustard gas in WW1.

War is by far the most destructive force on this planet and the US Empire is the worst perpetrator of it. It's just plain depressing to think that our ancestors gave their lives or health fighting in a world war 100 years ago and here we are still dealing with the same old shit from the same old overlords. I know that Russia and China can't save us in the west, and we seem to be too far gone to save our selves, but still I support them for the sake of what's right and for the possibility of a better way to coexist on this earth.

I hope you are doing ok, I recall you talked about an illness a while back on another thread.

Posted by: K | Apr 24 2022 12:03 utc | 234

Posted by: C Forest | Apr 24 2022 3:40 utc | 176

An analogy with bit depth in data?
English (ie) has a history of the evolution of letters, etymology, quotations, phases, idioms and geat works, its history is not visible at the level of common usage.
Chinese has the above, plus each pictogram is a cultural and historic reference point with longer echoes through time.

Posted by: Dadda | Apr 24 2022 12:08 utc | 235

K | Apr 24 2022 12:03 utc | 235

k.. There is something I can not put into words at the moment.
I'm surprised at the amount of Aussies on this intentional forum. Stick with it.
A lot more I wold like to say and tried a few times but zapped them.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 24 2022 14:07 utc | 236

Information about the non anglosphere is always interesting. Who would have thought that sanctions would in some cases, turn out to be more of a boon than a curse? Many nations turning the stick into a carrot for self sufficiency.
Posted by: K | Apr 24 2022 6:09 utc | 192

Thank you for your reply K.

For many years Iranians, and now Afghans, chafed at the mention of sticks and carrots. Reason being, it is associated with a donkey, an animal thought to be very stupid in that part of the world. Yes, self sufficiency, as you put it has been a boon for the locals. For example, no more dishwashers, no problem, we’ll produce it ourselves, and on and on.

Posted by: Sakineh Bagoom | Apr 24 2022 14:11 utc | 237

@ anyone

Would anyone care to notice that the Hungarians call themselves "magyarok" and their country "Magyarország"?

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 24 2022 14:11 utc | 238

https://www.rt.com/news/554434-australia-morrison-solomon-china/

Posted by: Roberto | Apr 24 2022 15:27 utc | 239

.....I know that Russia and China can't save us in the west, and we seem to be too far gone to save our selves, but still I support them for the sake of what's right and for the possibility of a better way to coexist on this earth.
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Posted by: K | Apr 24 2022 12:03 utc

I fully agree K. I'm writing from Italy with your same feeling my grandfather too fought in WW 1.

Posted by: Roberto | Apr 24 2022 15:39 utc | 240

@ jen

i knew of midnight oil, but none of the other bands.. i think that is the only one i recognize that got more international recognition... thanks.. i again shared your comments with my friend!

@ c forest...

okay.. thanks for the additional comments.......

Posted by: james | Apr 24 2022 16:39 utc | 241

Posted by: C Forest | Apr 24 2022 8:35 utc | 211

Wow C Forest is teaching me Chinese! That's rich....

海 is sea, 海洋 is ocean. Going by your reasoning then the Chinese must think the ocean is full of sheeps that can swim?

I can tolerate a Forest view just fine. What i can't tolerate, its people who think they done a bit of little internet searching and think they know everything, then proceed to make outlandish inferences when there are none.

I don't have to back my point up because i don't know, may be because Chinese is my mother tongue?

You sir, are a moron.

Posted by: A.L. | Apr 24 2022 19:03 utc | 242

#--Thanks very much for the encouragement.

Posted by: K | Apr 24 2022 11:48 utc | 234

When your opponent resorts to ad-hominem attacks on straw-men, you have pretty much won the argument.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 24 2022 19:05 utc | 243

#----@ anyone

Would anyone care to notice that the Hungarians call themselves "magyarok" and their country "Magyarország"?

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 24 2022 14:11 utc | 239


No one understand hungarian anyway ;).

Norway means "the way north" so I can only imagine what Europeans think of us.

Our own name Norge, is derived from Nordrike (the kingdom of the north). And we call ourselves nordmenn (norsemen).

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 24 2022 19:16 utc | 244

Posted by: C Forest | Apr 24 2022 3:40 utc | 177

The main problem with a European reading a Chinese newspaper article in Chinese is that you lack the cultural background.

Posted by: Passerby | Apr 24 2022 20:49 utc | 245

Posted by: C Forest | Apr 24 2022 8:35 utc | 211

Actually I am from Germany and school we barely touched anything of Chinese history. A bit opium war (astonishing and depressing behaviour of the Brits forcing with gunpower the Chinese to stay and get even more addicted; like dealer and highjacker in one person, total mafia style; makes me sick to the windsors in all their parades pretending they have any class or style) and WW2 suffering from the Japanese ( as a side information with no real details).

I cannot expect you to write to me all answers to my questions about Chinese history and cultural development over the past few 1000 years. But if you can provide links and books In English I would highly appreciate.

Posted by: Rasta | Apr 24 2022 20:56 utc | 246

Rasta
highly recommended:

The Search for Modern China, 2nd Edition 2nd Edition
by Jonathan D. Spence (Author)

https://www.amazon.com/Search-Modern-China-2nd/dp/0393973514

Posted by: downtownhaiku | Apr 25 2022 1:11 utc | 247

Hello all. I’ve been sanctioned by two friends for having our (bar fly) critical opposing view of the world so thought I would drop by. Anybody else losing friends for supporting “the wrong side?”

Also, in line with a previous post, I have seen the word “Vushniks” used in ref to Ukie Army. Meaning? postable?

Thanks to others willing to participate in this little game of Red Russian Army slang for the Ukros. Cheers!

Billy

Posted by: Billy the Texas Red | Apr 25 2022 2:52 utc | 248

Problem, Reaction, Solution.

You;ve seen their reaction.
So what'r the anglos gonna do about it...?

Solomon , Australia now has no choice, it must force the Sogavare Government out of power.

Australia must ready Solomon Islands invasion

Either we undertake to destabilise the islands politically using whatever means necessary or we openly bomb Honiara into submission.

One of the complaints about the sino/solomon pact is 'non transparency'

Well you really cant fault the anglos for 'transparency;, ...
IMagine,
OPenly Calling for invasion of a defenceless island !
hehehehhe

Posted by: denk | Apr 25 2022 3:39 utc | 249

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