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April 20, 2022

Some Of The Weapons Delivered To Ukraine Will Be Used Against Us

The U.S. and its proxies in Europe are moving an enormous amount of weapons into Ukraine. But no one has an idea where those weapons will end up. It is likely that many of those will proliferate outside of the Ukraine and some of those weapons will inevitably hit those who now deliver them.

In a review of the U.S. war on Syria Aaron Maté details how the Obama/Biden team empowered terrorist networks in Syria:

Based on declassified documents, news reports, and scattered admissions of U.S. officials, this overlooked history of how the Obama-Biden team's effort to oust the Assad regime – in concert with allies including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey – details the series of discrete decisions that ultimately led the U.S. to empower terror networks bent on its destruction.

The U.S. pushed an enormous amount of weapons into Syria. Those weapons did not end up with the 'moderate rebels' the U.S. propaganda had elevated but in the hands the most ideological committed and most brutal actors on the ground:

Although the Obama administration claimed that the weapons funneled to Syria were intended for "moderate rebels," they ultimately ended up in the hands of a jihadi-dominated insurgency. Just one month after the Benghazi attack, the New York Times reported that "hard-line Islamic jihadists," including groups "with ties or affiliations with Al Qaeda," have received "the lion’s share of the arms shipped to the Syrian opposition.

In a repeat of that 'strategy' the U.S. is currently pushing an enormous amount of weapons as well as mercenaries into Ukraine. The bigger stuff it delivers is not of much concern. But the huge amount of small arms and small ammunition, the anti-tank weapons and the handheld anti-air systems are of serious, long term danger. These fit into a car trunk and can easily be smuggled across boarders.

As I explained previously the rightwing ideology that is nurtured in Ukraine will become a danger primarily to European countries but also beyond:

Whitney Webb writes that the CIA is creating a new al-Qaeda. This time as a white supremacist rightwing militia. A part of these are mercenaries currently getting recruited by western 'security' companies. These militia will use all the 'small' weapons NATO countries are now delivering to the Ukraine to attack Russian troops and their supporters.

This will have serious backlashes in Poland and Romania from where these troops get deployed. In the longer run it will lead to rightwing terror coming back to those countries who are now supporting these forces. It will also help the longterm trend of rightwing parties increasing their share of votes.

Together with the economic devastation that U.S. and European sanctions on Russia are causing in their own economies this will end in regime-changes in several European countries. The U.S. is of course again protecting itself from as much as it can at the cost of others.

If there is a lesson to learn from Syria it is that the most ideological committed and most brutal people on the ground will not only proliferate their ideology into other countries. They are also the groups which inevitably end up holding the most dangerous weapons. They will give some to those groups in other countries which have the same ideology.

The fascist groups in Ukraine are not a Russian propaganda invention or just 'nationalist'. Back in 2018 even the NATO lobbyists at the Atlantic Council called them a dangerous threat:

Last week Hromadske Radio revealed that Ukraine’s Ministry of Youth and Sports is funding the neo-Nazi group C14 to promote “national patriotic education projects” in the country. On June 8, the Ministry announced that it will award C14 a little less than $17,000 for a children’s camp. It also awarded funds to Holosiyiv Hideout and Educational Assembly, both of which have links to the far-right. The revelation represents a dangerous example of law enforcement tacitly accepting or even encouraging the increasing lawlessness of far-right groups willing to use violence against those they don’t like.

Since the beginning of 2018, C14 and other far-right groups such as the Azov-affiliated National Militia, Right Sector, Karpatska Sich, and others have attacked Roma groups several times, as well as anti-fascist demonstrations, city council meetings, an event hosted by Amnesty International, art exhibitions, LGBT events, and environmental activists. On March 8, violent groups launched attacks against International Women’s Day marchers in cities across Ukraine. In only a few of these cases did police do anything to prevent the attacks, and in some they even arrested peaceful demonstrators rather than the actual perpetrators.

International human rights groups have sounded the alarm. After the March 8 attacks, Amnesty International warned that “Ukraine is sinking into a chaos of uncontrolled violence posed by radical groups and their total impunity. Practically no one in the country can feel safe under these conditions.” Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, and Front Line Defenders warned in a letter that radical groups acting under “a veneer of patriotism” and “traditional values” were allowed to operate under an “atmosphere of near total impunity that cannot but embolden these groups to commit more attacks.”

Over the last eight years those groups in Ukraine have had lots of contacts with similar groups in other countries. They have invited foreigners to fight with them on the frontline with the Donbas republics. These are potential buyers for the weapons that are now being delivered to the Ukraine.

The U.S. has no idea who ends up with the ten thousands of weapons it is now providing:

The US has few ways to track the substantial supply of anti-tank, anti-aircraft and other weaponry it has sent across the border into Ukraine, sources tell CNN, a blind spot that's due in large part to the lack of US boots on the ground in the country -- and the easy portability of many of the smaller systems now pouring across the border. It's a conscious risk the Biden administration is willing to take.

In the short term, the US sees the transfer of hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of equipment to be vital to the Ukrainians' ability to hold off Moscow's invasion. A senior defense official said Tuesday that it is "certainly the largest recent supply to a partner country in a conflict." But the risk, both current US officials and defense analysts say, is that in the long term, some of those weapons may wind up in the hands of other militaries and militias that the US did not intend to arm.

Transparency International ranks Ukraine as number 122 out of 180 countries. The lower the rank on that list the worse the corruption. Whoever officially gets handed the weapons in Ukraine will likely put a part of the stash aside to later sell it to whomever may be interested in them. That will be easy to do:

"I couldn't tell you where they are in Ukraine and whether the Ukrainians are using them at this point," a senior defense official told reporters last week. "They're not telling us every round of ammunition they're firing and who and at when. We may never know exactly to what degree they've using the Switchblades."

The Defense Department doesn't earmark the weapons it sends for particular units, according to Pentagon press secretary John Kirby.

Trucks loaded with pallets of arms provided by the Defense Department are picked up by Ukrainian armed forces -- primarily in Poland -- and then driven into Ukraine, Kirby said, "then it's up to the Ukrainians to determine where they go and how they're allocated inside their country."

One can not trust Ukrainian officials who claim that these weapons will only be used for good purposes:

Privately, officials recognize that Ukraine has an incentive to give only information that will bolster their case for more aid, more arms and more diplomatic assistance.

"It's a war -- everything they do and say publicly is designed to help them win the war. Every public statement is an information operation, every interview, every Zelensky appearance broadcast is an information operation," said another source familiar with western intelligence.

Zelensky constantly demands more weapons and no one has an idea where they end up. How many will he himself set aside to later sell and who will buy those?

The experience from the war on Syria tells us that the weapons that 'fell off a truck' in Ukraine will eventually end up with the most ideological committed and most brutal people. In the Ukraine those are the fascists. Some international criminals gangs who want to eliminate rivals might also be interested.

How long will it take until a Switchblade suicide drone will drop on a police car in Poland? How long until an anti-tank weapon will be used in a gang fight in Paris? How long until a Stinger anti-air missile will down civil airplane in Rome?

One, three or five years?

It is a danger we will now all be living with.

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Peter AU1 #295

I thought Russia took control of that plant early on.

I thought so too but I assumed the post was valid and was referencing another locale. + busy as a mud wasp right now so back and forth with little research time. More dedicated in an hour.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 7:55 utc | 301

I don't like that "troll" word -- as it can dehumanize dissent. But when a tag-team shows up in this bar, stinking up the place with the implication we should all be happy he's dead, well even I have to shake my head. WTF?

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 21 2022 7:55 utc | 302

Update. Mariupol is "officially liberated". (their bold)

"RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTER: 1,478 UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS AT AZOVSTAL STEEL PLANT SURRENDERED"
****

PavewayIV about Motor Sich. It could be where the "spare parts for aircraft" referred to by Biden (et al) could have gone to.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 21 2022 8:03 utc | 303

For what it's worth, Intel Slava Z recently posted the following:

"Putin ordered to cancel the assault on Azovstal in order to save the lives of Russian military personnel, as well as completely block the enterprise.

"There is no need to climb into the catacombs, it is necessary to block the industrial zone in Azovstal so that the fly does not fly""

And a follow on post/reply...
"Azov will either surrender or starve to death"

Posted by: imo | Apr 21 2022 8:04 utc | 304

Posted by: Oui | Apr 21 2022 7:12 utc | 286

Saw that later.

All re Lira: Who cares if he is (or was) a Pinochet fan? He is (or was) also a pickup artist coach or something. Who cares? His opinions on the US, Ukraine, etc. were well taken. As I said before, I don't call him a "journalist" because most of his output was not "news", it was commentary with local flavor. You can call him an "analyst", a "commentator" or an "influencer", but I don't think "journalist" is accurate. Patrick Lancaster is a journalist, Lira didn't come close - which is nothing against him, I don't think he referred to himself as such or cared to be considered one.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:05 utc | 305


I was discussing safe sex and stuffing ballot boxes with my rabbi.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 7:10 utc | 284

Can your rabbi really be stuffed in a ballot box?
(Tx. to Groucho Marx and the elephant in his pajamas.)

Posted by: waynorinorway | Apr 21 2022 8:06 utc | 306

Latest Russian MoD briefing...

Briefing by Russian Defence Ministry

Units of the Russian Armed Forces and the Lugansk people's militia have taken full control of Kremennaya, which had been turned into a stronghold by Ukrainian nationalists.

As a result of the rapid and coordinated actions of the assault troops, severe destruction of urban infrastructure and residential buildings was avoided.

Operational-tactical and army aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces struck 20 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment near Shnurki, Novonikolaevka and Aleksandrovka during the night.

Missile troops and artillery hit 1,001 military assets of Ukraine. Among them: 58 command posts, 162 Ukrainian artillery firing positions, and 771 strong points and areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment in Mayaki, Dibrovnoe, Mazanovka, Dolina Krasnopol'e, Velikaya Kamyshevakha, Chervonoe, Vernopol'e, Pashkovka, Dmitrovka, Novaya Dmitrovka, Vysokiy, Chernoglazovka, Slatino, Zolochev, Partizanskoe, Aleksandrovka and Shevchenkovo of Nikolaev region.

Russian air defence means destroyed 13 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles near Berezovaya, Brazhkovka, Verkhnetoretskoe, Debrovka, Izyum, Kalinovka, Kiselevka, Lozovaya, Novobogdanovka, Novoalexandrovka and Chuvakovka. Also, 1 Tochka-U tactical missile was shot down near Donetskoe.

In total, 140 aircraft and 106 helicopters, 511 unmanned aerial vehicles, 254 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,410 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 262 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,046 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,259 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

#MoD #Russia #Ukraine #Briefing
@mod_russia_en

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:08 utc | 307

Well, I didn't notice I was posting under my old handle. Looks like the filter has forgotten about me. LOL

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:09 utc | 308

robin@44

'Now, let us look again at the prospect of vast quantities of weapons spilling out of central Europe. This time, let's try it from the perspective of Imperial strategist.'

Your suggestion that the US-directed war on Syria disabled that nation and cost the US little. But did it? Cost nothing, I mean?

Consider how much the Saudis, Qataris and Turks enjoyed spending all of that money and political capital for, to them, a dead loss. Actually, worse than that, as Syria is still standing, and are now as hard as nails having survived intact what the US et al inflicted on them. This deliberate effort to absolutely obliterate all the former allies or friendlies of the USSR before a 'risen' Russia - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc. and now Ukraine - while certainly hyper-destructive have unfortunately created several hundred million permanent enemies of the US and Europe, not Russia, or China. I fear this could prove more costly than we presently may think.

Posted by: Scrutiny | Apr 21 2022 8:11 utc | 309

President Vladimir Putin on Thursday ordered the Russian military to cancel plans to storm the Azovstal plant in the Ukrainian port city of Mariupol and said he wanted it to continue to be securely blockaded instead.

"I consider the proposed storming of the industrial zone unnecessary," he told Shoigu in a televised meeting at the Kremlin. "I order you to cancel it."

Putin said his decision not to storm the Azovstal plant was motivated by the desire to safeguard the lives of Russian soldiers.

"There is no need to climb into these catacombs and crawl underground through these industrial facilities," he said. "Block off this industrial area so that a fly cannot not pass through."

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-russia-claims-it-captures-ukraine-s-mariupol-blockaded-last-stronghold-1.10754925

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 21 2022 8:12 utc | 310

What the hell is this all about?

Five UN Security Council permanent members to be basis of guarantor states for Ukraine
https://tass.com/world/1440803

Five permanent members of the UN Security Council (Russia, China, the UK, the US, France) may be the basis of guarantor states for Ukraine, with the issue being discussed at the Russian-Ukrainian talks, the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry's second CIS department Alexey Polishchuk said in an interview with TASS.

"Indeed, apart from the neutral, non-bloc and denuclearized status of Ukraine, which stipulates its demilitarization and denazification, the issues of providing it with security guarantees from a number of states are being considered at those talks," the diplomat said, adding that "it is suggested that the basis of the institute of guarantor states may consist of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council." "Other options are also under consideration, which is why the final list has not been defined yet," he noted.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:14 utc | 311

Waldorf | Apr 21 2022 7:34 utc | 291

Thanks! The whole „Left" in Germany is gone now with few exceptions. This Covid-19-cheat killed their analytical abilities first. Then they went to be the most fierce supporters of the government actions and of total censorships, good friends of international oligarchs. Now most of them support the government policy against the bad guy Putin. For former „68er" people it means a kind of corruption of the own biography as well

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 21 2022 8:16 utc | 312

@Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:05 utc | 304

I would use the word "raconteur" for Lira and there is something of the Greek democratic ethos in the 2A's at the Duran, imo. I find it refreshingly different in commubication style and there is a niche for diversity. Julian Assnage may not be a "publisher" in the traditional sense but still made a real contribution to outing criminals at large.

Posted by: imo | Apr 21 2022 8:16 utc | 313

--- Just because someone uses black bloc tactics doesn't mean they are card-carrying members of "antifa". The terms are not synonymous.

Do they need to carry a card?
If they use blac-bloc tactics", they also know where they got the inspiration.

The reason behind might very well be for looting - I've done that, in my past.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 21 2022 8:17 utc | 314

@Robert Lindsay # 283

Fraid not. You're a Nazi yourself!
Even if I were a Nazi, which I'm not, I would be a million times better than you British savages. Murdered over 700 million people for Empire, the most barbaric, savage and vile people ever to inhabit this Earth. And you still do it - you are still the world's most barbarous and heinous murderers, destabilizers and all-around c*nts.

I pray the British get the karma payback they so very richly deserve. Please send your cowardly sissy troops to Ukraine, so we can a taste of it. Oh, that's right, they just enjoy murdering defenseless goat herders 5,000 miles away from your island of depravity and death.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 21 2022 8:22 utc | 315

From ColonelCassad Telegram channel... Still trying to find confirmation from an official Russian channel...but I have no reason to doubt this report.

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/43983

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu - at the time of the start of the operation in MariupolV. Putin: I consider the proposed assault on the industrial zone inappropriate. I order you to cancel.

Sergei Shoigu: Yes.

Vladimir Putin: This is the case when we must think – that is, we must always think, but even more so in this case – about preserving the life and health of our soldiers and officers. There is no need to climb into these catacombs and crawl underground through these industrial facilities.
Block off this industrial area so that the fly does not fly through.

Sergei Shoigu: Yes.

Vladimir Putin: Once again invite everyone who has not yet laid down their arms to do so. The Russian side guarantees their lives and decent treatment in accordance with the relevant international legal acts. All those who are injured will receive qualified medical assistance.
The completion of combat work to liberate Mariupol is a success. Congratulations. Send your thanks to the troops. Please submit proposals for awarding our distinguished soldiers for state awards. It is clear that in such cases it cannot be otherwise, these are different awards, but I want them all to know: in our understanding, they are all heroes, in the understanding of all of Russia. They are all heroes.
In this regard, in addition to fulfilling all social obligations to our military personnel, especially to those who were injured, to the families of our dead comrades, it is necessary to ensure the unconditional fulfillment of all social guarantees.
But it seems to me that this is not enough. We need to think about additional support measures, and in some cases think about perpetuating the memory of those of our comrades who really showed heroism and sacrificed their lives for the peaceful life of our people in the Donbass and to ensure the peaceful life and existence of Russia itself, the peaceful existence of our country. These people deserve it with their actions and their attitude to the oath.
On the line of the Ministry of Defense, please work it out. I will give the relevant instructions to the Presidential Administration, I will talk with colleagues in the regions, and they will carry out the corresponding work in the municipalities of Russia.
Of course, putting such an important center in the south as Mariupol under control is a success. Congratulations.

Sergei Shoigu: Thank you, Vladimir Vladimirovich.

http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/68254e

If this is true, I am pleased to see Putin agree with me on the appropriate action re the Azovstal plant. I'd hoped they would bomb the place into collapse at first, but apparently that's just too big a task given the size of the plant. And in addition, that video by the officer allegedly inside the plant analyzed by Mercouris suggested that the defenders are so messed up that they can't last much longer anyway.

So just surrounding the place and starving them out seems to be the right course.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:25 utc | 316

On Gonzalo Lira.

He was today's champion and on the right side today. This was his time and we felt the solidarity today. I thank him for that here and now. I have made prayer for his safety daily since the adverse news arose.

I will continue to offer his being and great spirit safety and blessings. Tonight I have Krishna Das chanting softly for his family and his journey be it in spirit or tangible form.

Regardless of Pinochet, he was with us and the free people of Ukraine in the here and now. That is enough for me when comrades are scarce and at times fickle.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 8:29 utc | 317

-Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 20 2022 22:46 utc | 177

I found the same Lira on the three pages I had access to. What are you alluding to?

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 21 2022 8:38 utc | 318

Posted by: imo | Apr 21 2022 8:16 utc | 312

Yes, "raconteur" fits.

Re Assange, his organization is journalistic, he himself is more of a "alternative news organization publisher". He could be considered sort of like Glenn Greenwald, who gets contacted by people with news, does interrogations and research, vets what he's told, and then reports on it. Greenwald is considered a journalist, rightfully. I suspect Assange himself doesn't do much of the legwork, but relies on his people to do so. He's more of an editor or publisher. I suppose one considers editors or publishers journalists, but it's one step removed in my view.

A journalist in my view is someone who goes out and digs up what's happening on the ground, does the research to place it in context, and then reports on it. My model for that is the late John H. Keel, the only journalist I've ever known personally. He did the most important research into UFOs in the 1960's and 1970's. He did it both in historical research, data analysis, and on the ground door-to-door interrogations. He then wrote books that put it all in context.

One doesn't necessarily have to travel to places to be a journalist, as some have suggested. It can all be done over the phone and online research. The key element is digging out facts and putting them in context and then reporting them. The latter is the difference between journalism and espionage. Some people call Wikileaks an espionage organization, which is clearly incorrect, since they publish what they discover.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:40 utc | 319

Someone on ColonelCassad Telegram channel points out something...

Of course, the cessation of the ground assault does not cancel the work of artillery and pilots.

https://t.me/mig41/16724

Telegram (https://t.me/mig41/16724)
Major and General
❗️For those who can't read or listen - the cancellation of the assault on Azovstal is not at all the cancellation of air, missile and artillery strikes on Azovstal

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:44 utc | 320

----Posted by: Teejay | Apr 20 2022 22:30 utc | 172

Neil Abrams, whoever he is, demonstrates that he lies a lot.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 20 2022 22:53 utc | 181

According his Linkedin page- he is a "relatively certified expert" and he's had a heat-attack.

He also belongs to the tribe, obviously.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 21 2022 8:45 utc | 321

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:25 utc | 315

It is correct, the link is not, this is it:

http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/68254

Posted by: Paco | Apr 21 2022 8:47 utc | 322

uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 8:29 utc | 316 "Regardless of Pinochet, he was with us and the free people of Ukraine in the here and now. That is enough for me when comrades are scarce and at times fickle."

So many different backgrounds here - different thoughts - but that sums it up.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 8:48 utc | 323

From Rybar Telegram channel...

Two days ago, we reported on the upcoming rotation (https://t.me/rybar/31447) of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the Nikolaev-Kherson and Krivoy Rog directions.

The rotation has begun. The units left. But no one showed up to replace them. Desertion is becoming massive: people who have fallen under the last two waves of forced mobilization refuse to fight and leave the location of the units.

With those who managed to catch, "educational work" is being carried out.
#Nikolaev #Ukraine #Kherson
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The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has planned the rotation of personnel in the units on the front line in the Nikolaev-Kherson and Krivoy Rog directions.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:50 utc | 324

Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:50 utc | 323

With luck, all the extremists are on the front lines. A month of Russian artillery and they will be thinning out considerably. from what I have read the few that surrender shoot their commanders to do so.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 8:56 utc | 325

Posted by: Paco | Apr 21 2022 8:47 utc | 321

Thank you! Here is the Google translation of the entire conversation as reported at that link http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/68254

Sergei Shoigu: Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich!

Mariupol was liberated by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the people's militia of the Donetsk People's Republic. The remnants of the formation of nationalists took refuge in the industrial zone of the Azovstal plant.

Mariupol is a major industrial and main transport hub on the Sea of ​​Azov. In 2014, the Kyiv regime declared the city the de facto temporary capital of the Donetsk region, turning it into a powerful fortified area and a haven for radical Ukrainian nationalists in eight years. This is actually the capital of "Azov", the "Azov" battalion.

A large number of heavy weapons, military equipment, including tanks, MLRS "Smerch", "Hurricane", artillery systems of high power, missile systems "Tochka-U" were pulled into the city. Tochka-U has a range of 120 kilometers, and our Taganrog is 94 kilometers from Mariupol, the capital of the Southern Federal District, Rostov, is approximately at this distance.

Reserves of missiles, ammunition, fuels and lubricants, food for long-term combat operations have been created. The main objects of urban infrastructure, including the seaport and fairway, were mined and not only mined, but also blocked by floating cranes. The ships that were there were mostly foreign ships.

In total, if we talk about armored vehicles - tanks, armored combat vehicles, there were 179 of them, 170 different guns and mortars, including multiple rocket launchers, I already spoke about them, "Tornados" and "Hurricanes". At the time of the encirclement on March 11, the total number of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and nationalist formations, as well as foreign mercenaries, who were also enough, was more than 8100 people. During the liberation of the city, more than four thousand were destroyed, 1478 surrendered, the remaining group - more than two thousand - was blocked in the industrial zone of the Azovstal plant.

Offering resistance, the nationalists turned almost all residential buildings into long-term firing points. Armored vehicles and artillery were installed on the ground floors, and snipers were installed on the upper floors. Separate detachments - with ATGMs. On the middle floors and in the basements, they gathered all the inhabitants, turning them into a human shield. They were kept both on the middle floors and in the basements. It was in fact in every home.

Retreating, the Ukrainian army, the nationalist battalions in Mariupol, as well as in other Ukrainian cities, were covered by the civilian population. Here we have many cases when, retreating to cover their retreat, in any case, we recorded four such cases, covering their retreat, they drove people out of the basements. By the way, it was literally four days ago, when the port area was liberated, and they drove almost everyone from high-rise buildings to the streets in order to hide themselves, leaving behind continuous destruction, including socially significant, cultural objects.

While liberating Mariupol, the Russian army and units of the people's militia of the DPR took all measures to save the lives of civilians. Here, on your instruction, Vladimir Vladimirovich, humanitarian corridors have been opened daily since March 21 for the evacuation of civilians and foreign citizens.

Servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and militants of nationalist battalions were asked to lay down their arms. They were guaranteed, of course, life, safety and medical care.

As for the planned humanitarian actions - I call them “actions”, they combined both corridors and the supply of transport, these were both ambulances and buses, we had days when there were up to a hundred such buses, and 25 30 ambulances – we notified and were in contact with the Deputy Prime Minister of the Government of Ukraine [Irina] Vereshchuk daily.

Diplomatic missions of foreign states that appealed in one way or another, since [their] citizens were there – by the way, many were released and taken out of Mariupol during these humanitarian actions – the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, specialized structures of the OSCE, the International Committee of the Red Cross and other international organizations, they were officially notified of the time and place. And, of course, at some point we even demanded their presence, in order, of course, to comply with all humanitarian rules in this regard, as far as it was possible with the constant, uninterrupted conduct and non-cessation of fire from Mariupol by the National Battalions and the armed forces of Ukraine.

Despite their opposition - both militants and everyone else - we managed to evacuate 142,711 civilians from Mariupol following your instructions. All the hostages who were in the commercial seaport were released, including the crews of the sea vessels, whose communications systems were destroyed by those who captured them so that they could not contact anyone. The port is mined. The sea area is closed. I hope that now they will have the opportunity to leave this port.

Today, the entire Mariupol is under the control of the Russian army, the people's militia of the Donetsk People's Republic, and the territory The oria of the Azovstal plant with the remnants of nationalists and foreign mercenaries located is securely blocked.

Over the past two days, again on your instructions, we have declared a silence regime from 14:00 to 16:00, all hostilities have completely ceased, and humanitarian corridors have been opened for the exit of civilians who may be on the territory of the Azovstal plant.

We have prepared about 90 buses and 25 ambulances for them. Naturally, bearing in mind that all this is constantly distorted, we installed videoconferencing cameras, and there was almost a live broadcast here, in our control center. No one left Azovstal. But other civilians, more than 100 people, were able to leave. During these days, this is, perhaps, a lot of work that we have been doing with all international organizations.

At present, the situation in the city is calm, allowing us to start restoring order, returning the population and establishing a peaceful life. As for those who fled at the Azovstal plant and were thoroughly blocked there and around the entire perimeter, it takes us about three or four days to complete this work at Azovstal.

The report is finished.

Vladimir Putin: I consider the proposed storming of the industrial zone inappropriate.

I order you to cancel.

Sergei Shoigu: Yes.

Vladimir Putin: This is the case when we must think – that is, we must always think, but in this case even more so – about preserving the life and health of our soldiers and officers. There is no need to climb into these catacombs and crawl underground through these industrial facilities.

Block off this industrial area so that the fly does not fly through.

Sergei Shoigu: Yes.

Vladimir Putin: Once again invite everyone who has not yet laid down their arms to do so. The Russian side guarantees their lives and decent treatment in accordance with the relevant international legal acts. All those who are injured will receive qualified medical assistance.

The completion of combat work to liberate Mariupol is a success. Congratulations. Send your thanks to the troops. Please submit proposals for awarding our distinguished soldiers for state awards. It is clear that in such cases it cannot be otherwise, these are different awards, but I want them all to know: in our understanding, they are all heroes, in the understanding of all of Russia. They are all heroes.

In this regard, in addition to fulfilling all social obligations to our military personnel, especially to those who were injured, to the families of our dead comrades, it is necessary to ensure the unconditional fulfillment of all social guarantees.

But it seems to me that this is not enough. We need to think about additional support measures, and in some cases think about perpetuating the memory of those of our comrades who really showed heroism and sacrificed their lives for the peaceful life of our people in the Donbass and to ensure the peaceful life and existence of Russia itself, the peaceful existence of our country. These people deserve it with their actions and their attitude to the oath.

On the line of the Ministry of Defense, please work it out. I will give the relevant instructions to the Presidential Administration, I will talk with colleagues in the regions, and they will carry out the corresponding work in the municipalities of Russia.

Of course, putting such an important center in the south as Mariupol under control is a success. Congratulations.

Sergei Shoigu: Thank you, Vladimir Vladimirovich.
Geography

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 9:01 utc | 326

Russia has just tested a new ballistic missile the RS-28, apparently with great success, Putin said of it.

“The new system has top tactical and technical characteristics and is able to penetrate all modern anti-missile defenses. It has no analogues in the world and will not have any for a long time.”

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 21 2022 9:04 utc | 327

VT is intimating that Romania is providing air bases and munitions for Ukranian planes that enter the war zone via Odessa and flying low over Black Sea approaches and that without Moskva long-range radar they have easier access.

That would put Romania in much the same position as under the Iron Guard

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 21 2022 9:05 utc | 328

uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 3:00 utc | 240

"If I were a conspiracy theorist I could venture that both the USA hegemon + Russia are out to get EU through some perverse 5 dimensional chess maneuver."

At least on the US side this requires no conspiracy theory. Michael Hudson, certainly no "conspiracy theorist", has long argued that the EU itself is the primary proximate target of the empire's machinations throughout the Ukrainian crisis. Certainly the record bears this out so far: The sanctions aren't hurting Russia anywhere near as much as they'll hurt Europe, and meanwhile the US itself imposes only a fraction of the sanctions it pressures the EU into imposing. (Same for the rabid racist cultural-ethnic-cleansing Russophobic frenzy. Everything I see with my own eyes in my part of the US and everything I read tells me it's vastly worse in Europe. This is the imperial propaganda riling up the people of Europe to submit to everything from extreme gas prices to physical shortages to mushroom clouds, all of which the US thinks it will be able to spare itself.)

More generally, the entire post-Cold War record of the western institutions is that they view their own people as the main target for defenestration and the main potential enemy that needs to be pre-emptively disarmed and suppressed. The "Covid" gambit was the most extreme deployment of this long-running strategy. (The main weakness of the mass insanity generated and, for the time being, managed by the Covidian astroturf is that its rhetoric was for unity - "we're all in this together", "all in the same boat". Now the propaganda machine substitutes the Russophobic war frenzy and redirects the insane masses toward it in order to, among other reasons, restore divide-and-conquer on a vast level.)

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 21 2022 9:08 utc | 329

i'm reminded of when petraeus 'lost' a few hundred thousand AK-47's in iraq, directly arming a civil war. even tho the war had been going on for a few years already, the civil war had not really kicked off yet.

Posted by: annie | Apr 21 2022 9:09 utc | 330

Paul Greenwood | Apr 21 2022 9:05 utc | 327

A lot of ships in the black sea and it does not require a large ship to power a radar. Nor launch various missiles.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 9:09 utc | 331

waynorinorway #305

Can your rabbi really be stuffed in a ballot box?
(Tx. to Groucho Marx and the elephant in his pajamas.)

:))

If one can even achieve that feat, there is only one outcome and the numbers are with the deities and their hangers on. Unlikely a good result for the people.

Great laughter here for that fine retort. Thank you.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 9:10 utc | 332

I get the feeling if the timescale permits that Russian forces might try and wait out the trapped Nazi's in the Azovstal complex.


"Russian forces have fully captured the key Donbass Black Sea port-city of Mariupol, Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu told President Vladimir Putin on Thursday. However, more than 2,000 militants, loyal to Kiev, still remain entrenched at the Azovstal steel plant in the city, he added.

President Vladimir Putin has called Shoigu’s plan of storming the area “inadvisable” and instead ordered him to “safely block” the area while extending to those inside another offer to lay down their arms. The last hold outs are cut off from supplies."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 21 2022 9:11 utc | 333

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 21 2022 9:04 utc | 326

Yes, that's the long-awaited "Sarmat". One of these with multiple independently targeted warheads is alleged to be able to take out most of the main cities in a state as large as Texas.

RS-28 Sarmat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-28_Sarmat

The RS-28 Sarmat will be capable of carrying about 10 tonnes of payload for either up to 10 heavy or 15 light MIRV warheads,[29] an unspecified number of Avangard hypersonic glide vehicles (HGVs)[30] or a combination of warheads and several countermeasures against anti-ballistic missile systems.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 9:11 utc | 334

This is a great post B thank you.

Maybe we need to focus on these points in public discourse to shift people from the relentless propaganda. People tend to react better to things that can harm them personally.

Every other conversation I tried having ended up with one of the following:

Putin is a dictator.
Me: but there are elections, he may be autocratic but he is not a dictator
People: laugh at me

Azov is Nazi
But Zelensky is Jewish
There are Nazis everywhere
Me: but these are officially incorporated in the army
People: there is only a handful!

How can Boris Johnson have been to Kiev?
People: He took a flight
Me: There are no flights to Kiev, only to Poland the train journey is 14 hours and he was only away from Britain for 11 hours in total. Here are his flight details to prove it.
People: you are mad

So maybe facing them with the inevitable & imminent real danger we all face, as well as with energy and food shortages will work better.

Posted by: maria | Apr 21 2022 9:21 utc | 335

@Anne B #132

https://www.unz.com/estriker/antifa-organizer-exposed-as-member-of-elite-political-family/

Your article has no attributable sources nor any evidence. The article does illustrates that anyone can be antifascist. There is no central committee or HQ. Antifascists come in many flavors and configurations. It's a non-hierarchical movement with no organization. There is no homogenization. And yes, some folks are douchebags!

Posted by: fnord | Apr 21 2022 0:01 utc | 204


Slow Down Gandhi, You're Killing Them

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 21 2022 9:23 utc | 336

The citizens of the G7 are finding it harder and harder to make ends meet, yet billions of dollars have or are to be given to Ukraine, I hope the voters of the G7 let their feelings be known when their respective elections come around.

"The heads of the central banks and finance ministries of the G7 countries have pledged to provide additional support to Ukraine totaling more than $24 billion.

The Group of Seven includes the UK, Germany, Italy, Canada, the Unites States, France, and Japan."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 21 2022 9:23 utc | 337

A good article on US weapons meant for Ukraine disappearing down black holes.


"The US government is struggling to track large quantities of “lethal aid” shipped to Ukraine in recent months amid raging conflict in the country, according to a stunning new revelation.

Top security officials were quoted as saying by CNN on Tuesday that the US intelligence agencies had “almost zero” ability to follow the consignments to their final destination, referring to it as "the largest recent supply to a partner country in a conflict."

"We have fidelity for a short time, but when it enters the fog of war, we have almost zero," it quoted a military source as saying. "It drops into a big black hole, and you have almost no sense of it at all after a short period of time."

The Biden administration is concerned that the aid “may wind up in the hands of other militaries and militias that the US did not intend to arm,” a senior military official told CNN."


https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2022/04/20/680689/US-Weapons-Ukraine-Disappearing-CNN-Report-Military-Sources

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 21 2022 9:25 utc | 338

maria | Apr 21 2022 9:21 utc | 334

The joys of living in a western world gone mad. 'Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad.'

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 9:29 utc | 339

Watching The Duran video from yesterday (well, at this hour, day before, i.e., the 19th) with Robert Barnes. Barnes is currently expounding on how he thinks the Deep State knows everything about Hunter Biden and that they are telling President Biden that if he doesn't play ball and send US troops into Ukraine, the Deep State will drag out everything Hunter Biden is involved in.

Barnes thinks Biden really doesn't want to be blamed for US bodybags in Ukraine - which resonates with what I think about most Presidents, they don't mind war, they just don't want to be blamed for starting one if they can blame someone else. However, Barnes also thinks the Deep State won't escalate with Biden to the level of actually exposing Hunter Biden, because Hunter has too many connections not only with old-line Democratic operators but also some serious Deep State people, allegedly connected to the biolabs that Biden is involved in. He says the Deep State maybe can get as far as indicting Hunter Biden, but they can't go further than that.

I have no idea what he's basing all this on, since he offers no evidence. It's all horribly plausible, of course. But can anyone fill in any details? Because this relates to whether Biden can be pressured into escalating the situation out of control.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 9:30 utc | 340

President Vladimir Putin has called Shoigu’s plan of storming the area “inadvisable” and instead ordered him to “safely block” the area while extending to those inside another offer to lay down their arms. The last hold outs are cut off from supplies."

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 21 2022 9:11 utc | 332

Sensible. You won't need that many people to keep an eye on them. It will take a month at most, probably less.

Posted by: Bemildred | Apr 21 2022 9:33 utc | 341

Flying Dutchman #328

More generally, the entire post-Cold War record of the western institutions is that they view their own people as the main target for defenestration and the main potential enemy that needs to be pre-emptively disarmed and suppressed. The "Covid" gambit was the most extreme deployment of this long-running strategy. (The main weakness of the mass insanity generated and, for the time being, managed by the Covidian astroturf is that its rhetoric was for unity - "we're all in this together", "all in the same boat". Now the propaganda machine substitutes the Russophobic war frenzy and redirects the insane masses toward it in order to, among other reasons, restore divide-and-conquer on a vast level.)

Thank you and I wont challenge any of that report. I see the dedicated practice and perfection strategy to develop covid mania and now we see it applied in the older form to "hate russia" and "hate china". The divide and rule game is truly an ugly exercise but does not always work as in the USA where the Hunter Biden family laptop and the shifting perceptions that these Biden system pigs are not good to have around. Normally the presidential office is a sacred space but the naked assault on Trump torched the veil of the sacrosanct.

I envisage this war game skulduggery could escalate to a route in multiple nations and in more ways than one in the course of the next month or so. Time will tell.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 9:43 utc | 342

Celebrating the Mariupol victory tonight, very good news and very good decision to bottle the remnants and let em pickle. Waste not one more decent life on these scum.

Way to go Vlad :))

I will pour a small ;) draught of wine at this great news. 🍷

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 9:54 utc | 343

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 21 2022 6:07 utc | 270

How to sound like a Nazi 101

Holocaust denialism, check.

Holocaust justification, check.

Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy, check.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 21 2022 9:55 utc | 344

oooops my #341

rout that is, as in incoherent stampede to disaster.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 10:00 utc | 345

I don't think it's logically possible to deny the Holocaust and justify it at the same time. Him calling the 6 million number a lie isn't Holocaust denial because it's been okay for some time to deviate from that number. It's more of a symbolic number anyway. About Judeo-Bolshevism, even Vladimir Putin himself has pointed out that the Russian government after the 1917 revolution was mostly Jewish.

Posted by: not CalDre | Apr 21 2022 10:11 utc | 346

I'm surprised that Biden didn't beg the people in the states to hand over any extra military type rifles they had - for the Ukies - and get a tax deduction. lol

Posted by: GMC | Apr 21 2022 10:12 utc | 347

Anyone know if the news is true that chilean ukrainian based journalist Gonzalo Lira acutally have been murdered by the Azov nazis as Scott Ritter claim?
https://t.me/intelslava/26133

Allegedly the nazi butcher who shot russian POV in the kneecaps in the infamous video, now have "Chile" as a nickname
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/2190

He in turn have was released from prison before the war started
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses/2189

Posted by: Zanon | Apr 21 2022 10:17 utc | 348

So it seems my idea of converting the azovstal into a temporary POW camp has been taken up.

Posted by: Oh | Apr 21 2022 10:25 utc | 349

Posted by: Zanon | Apr 21 2022 10:17 utc | 347

Read earlier posts. 1) Ritter did not "claim", he said it seemed likely, but clarified that he had no direct evidence; 2) a new Twitter account claiming to be Lira as arisen, not yet confirmed; 3) rumor had it that the Ukrainian SBU confirmed Lira's dead, but there is no confirmation of that claim, either.

Listening to Robert Barnes at The Duran currently talking about Lira and discussing Lira's Chilean past under the Pinochet regime . Barnes believes Lira stayed in Ukraine to report because under Pinochet people were disappeared very effectively to suppress dissent and this had an effect on the Chilean population and Lira grew up under that. Barnes recommends that everyone keep asking "where is Gonzalo Lira". I saw a report today that the Chilean government is allegedly requesting information from the Ukrainian authorities about him. I suspect the appropriate attitude should be "Good luck with that".

So right now we're waiting for any evidence the Twitter account is real and not fake.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 10:28 utc | 350

The situation in Ukraine is a side show when compared to the Covid crisis. The Covid crisis above all proved global leadership to be incompetent. It proved the "experts" at the WHO, CDC, Robert Koch Institute etc. to be incompetent or deceitful. Later
it proved the majority of scientists to be pliable.

It moved "science" and the "scientific method" (an ill defined concept bandied about by the clueless) to the fore only to thoroughly discredit the pundits (science under censorship, science in service to a narrative).

Nothing will do more to erode authority than the actions of the authorities in regard to the Covid pandemic. Even the dumbest of citizens will feel intuitively that something ain't right when the triple and quadruple vaxxed contract the disease nonetheless while further vaccination is urgently pressed upon the perplexed subjects.

Posted by: bottle | Apr 21 2022 10:37 utc | 351

Posted by: not CalDre | Apr 21 2022 10:11 utc | 345

It's not logically sound, that doesn't mean it cannot be attempted in discourse.

The bottom line is that this user was at once decrying both the empire and the only thing that kept it somewhat in check for some 40 years - the USSR, which also defeated the nazis and which wouldn't have existed without the bolsheviks; and this decrying of the origins of the USSR was done by association with the same main domestic scapegoat the Nazis used (jews) while also justifying that very same scapegoating.

It boils down to nazi-fascist talking points, used both by nazis and by other historical strains of fascism.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 21 2022 10:39 utc | 352

Appart from a reprise of the Syrian wheeze, and the megabucks for the MIC. Do not forget the Satanic cabal's desire for the downfall of Western Civ.

No cash, no heat, no shelter (tho, of course, happy). And neo-nasties running around the streets of major EU cities with military-grade weaponry in their grubby little hands. Pull a six-shooter on those lads and you'll find a big gaping hole in your gut in no time.

Posted by: El Sid | Apr 21 2022 10:39 utc | 353

From Intel Slava Z Telegram channel...

Assault units of the militia and the army of the Russian Federation are leaving Mariupol and moving to the Avdeevsky sector of the front. The police of the DPR and parts of the Russian army remain in Mariupol, which will maintain order in the liberated city and fire at Azovstal from artillery and mortars until all Ukrainian soldiers leave.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 10:40 utc | 354

I haven't seen any confirmation of my post at @302. re surrendering Ukie soldiers.

There is some confusion whether this is a "total" or IN the steel plant or rather from the city itself.

So take with a bit of salt.


https://twitter.com/UKR_Report/status/1517042362094080000

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 21 2022 10:40 utc | 355

GMC | Apr 21 2022 10:12 utc | 346

"I'm surprised that Biden didn't beg the people in the states to hand over any extra military type rifles they had - for the Ukies - and get a tax deduction. lol"

There's a wet dream for US liberals: Disarm Americans, arm Ukrainian Nazis, do it through "progressive" taxation schemes.

Posted by: Flying Dutchman | Apr 21 2022 10:44 utc | 356

Re Assange, his organization is journalistic, he himself is more of a "alternative news organization publisher". He could be considered sort of like Glenn Greenwald, who gets contacted by people with news, does interrogations and research, vets what he's told, and then reports on it. Greenwald is considered a journalist, rightfully. I suspect Assange himself doesn't do much of the legwork, but relies on his people to do so. He's more of an editor or publisher. I suppose one considers editors or publishers journalists, but it's one step removed in my view.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:40 utc | 318

I think it was Glen Greenwald who praised Julian and Wikileaks for innovations in the safety of their sources. Apparently they are able to drop information completely securely and anonymously. Maybe using Blockchain (can't be sure he said this).
Glen said that it revolutionised this aspect of journalism. Also Wikileaks keeps all the leaked info publicly available and largely unedited or interpreted for journalists all over the world to use as a resource.

If this isn't superlative journalism I do not know what is. He also has won several prestigious awards over the years.

Posted by: K | Apr 21 2022 10:44 utc | 357

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 21 2022 10:40 utc | 354

That's the total of the original defenders in the plant that have surrendered so far. It comes from Shoigu's report to Putin, which I posted above. There are still an estimated 2000 troops inside the plant.

Putin has ordered the storming operation to stop, to be replaced by a surveillance and continued shelling regime until they surrender.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 10:50 utc | 358

Posted by: K | Apr 21 2022 10:44 utc | 356

Yes, I understand that. Reread my post. I said the organization is journalism, Assange personally is more the publisher rather than the actual journalist. The technology involved isn't journalism per se, it's just a means of protecting sources. Valuable, but not the essence of journalism, which is, as you correctly state, the actual publishing of the collected news, preferably in an unedited format.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 10:54 utc | 359

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 9:09 utc | 330

I bow to your superior knowledge.
VT simply mentioned Moskva had a Fregat MR-710 (Top Steer) 3D search radar

http://www.key.aero/forum/modern-military-aviation/naval-aviation/72995-fregat-family-of-naval-radars

It seemed to be a big deal on the Slava Class but you say it is nothing special so presumably you are the expert.

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 21 2022 10:55 utc | 360

The ‘Dominate Empire’ as it descends into dissolution under its daily crazier and demented petty Caesars are ready to watch their ‘Rome Burn’ - their many praetorians now unstoppable in their looting and killing as they head off with the booty.

Europe is not going to be allowed to come to its senses and join a peaceful and improving Human Condition on the planet with the 85% of the world’s population who are NOT the 5+1 Eyed.

That bunch of white supremacists, slaves of their forever owners and masters, are to be used as canon fodder and terrorists for a few generations so they can keep Europe disrupted as it definitely joins the EURASIAN security and economic partnerships - the MULTIPOLAR new world order - as it must for the benefit of its citizens and preservation of its € as the $ dives and disappears along with the Fed and its thug institutes IMF/WB and Swift is locked behind the Exceptionalism Wall.

The Empire is dead and now it knows it.

Posted by: DunGroanin | Apr 21 2022 11:08 utc | 361

IMO, leaving Azov in the plant makes good sense. It doesn’t give them the opportunity of martyrdom and the world will be treated to their whining everyday. But more importantly, it serves as an example that the west and Kiev will let the most committed ideologues hang. Note the appeals to their sponsors in the west being ignored. Let the resentment of those not trapped in the plant fester; they’ll turn on their NATO sponsors.

And as someone who has spent much time in active and abandoned factories, ore mills, power plants, etc. Even without any actual bunkers, clearing the standard tunnel systems in a place like that would be awful. They’re disorienting places. Not as dark as an underground mine, but more dark than most people can imagine. They’re full of all sorts of hazards without shooting and explosions. In a plant like that (steam powered), the tunnels will be full of piping and in some places just enough room to walk. Any explosions are going to rip the piping apart into both shrapnel and jagged steel. Booby trapping tunnel areas would be simple and almost impossible to detect (remember, super dark).

Posted by: Lex | Apr 21 2022 11:15 utc | 362

Paul Greenwood | Apr 21 2022 10:55 utc | 359 " you say it is nothing special so presumably you are the expert."

Dump the crap.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 11:30 utc | 363

"Ukraine’s “pro-democracy” president Zelensky has outlawed his opposition, ordered rivals arrested and presided over the disappearance and assassination of dissidents."

Zelensky's footsoldiers and enforcers the SBU have hunted down and killed mayors and members of the public that have taken food supplies from Russian forces.

Ukraine is not a democracy.

“arbitrary detention, enforced disappearances, torture and ill-treatment of such conflict-related detainees were common practice of SBU… A former Kharkiv SBU officer explained, ‘For the SBU, the law virtually does not exist as everything that is illegal can be either classified or explained by referring to state necessity.’ ”


https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/20/zelenskys-hardline-internal-purge/

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 21 2022 11:35 utc | 364

----So maybe facing them with the inevitable & imminent real danger we all face, as well as with energy and food shortages will work better.

Posted by: maria | Apr 21 2022 9:21 utc | 334


---- You should try to warn them, that will make them more prone to listen to you further down the track.
We all have had our Damascus-moments at some point. That's when you start listen to "the other side".

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 21 2022 11:36 utc | 365

Republicofscotland | Apr 21 2022 11:35 utc | 363
US 'democracy' in its naked glory.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 11:37 utc | 366

RT interviews Larry Johnson ...

https://sonar21.com/rt-interviews-larry-johnson/

Columbia University MBA Students Have Doubts About Capitalism

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/01/mba-students-against-capitalism/621117/

Posted by: ETA | Apr 21 2022 11:43 utc | 367

US a ‘co-belligerent’ in Ukraine war, legal expert says

https://asiatimes.com/2022/04/us-a-co-belligerent-in-ukraine-war-legal-expert-says/

Posted by: ETA | Apr 21 2022 11:50 utc | 368

How to sound like a Nazi 101

Holocaust denialism, check.

Holocaust justification, check.

Judeo-Bolshevik conspiracy, check.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 21 2022 9:55 utc | 343

The tribe has a firm grip on you, I see.

I am in the lucky position to know some Moisers- so I have a pretty good picture of the real story.
They use Jewish sources to "deny the holocaust" as well as the other myths used to control the Jewish people.
The six million figure was never mentioned while I was growing up. Back then they had to share their suffering with slavs, roma, "sexual deviants" and political prisoners. In rather even numbers.

My Moisers do this out of real love for their Jewish brethren, because they know the back-lash will be fierce. As it has always been in the past.
God only loves humble servants.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 21 2022 11:51 utc | 369

“Путин - Хуйло”
February 28, 2022 - 14:44

The author of the hit "Putin - fuck off!" released from custody to fight for Ukraine

Sergei Velichko, known as Chile, was in jail on suspicion of racketeering.

ATO veterans are being released from detention centers.

Some prisoners are being released from custody to take part in the defense of Ukraine. This was announced on February 28 by Prosecutor General Irina Venediktova. She also mentioned that the author of the song "Putin is a bastard!" This is a representative of the Kharkiv "National Corps" Sergei Velichko, a suspect in the racket, who was in jail.

The first is not a mass action, but a very balanced and point step. Simply put in human language, the population should not worry about the fact that crime will flood the streets because of this. Each of the released has significant combat experience in the anti-terrorist operation zone in 2014-2015. All of them are ardent opponents of the "Russian world", and one is the author of a famous song by Ukrainian fans about the main aggressor. Venedikova explained.

https://2day.kh.ua/kharkow/avtora-khita-putin-khylo-otpustili-iz-pod-strazhi-voevat-za-ukrainu

Posted by: Oui | Apr 21 2022 12:02 utc | 370

An update on the sensational video with the torture of captured Russian servicemen of the Russian Armed Forces was captured on March 25 on the eastern outskirts of Kharkov. People who shot at the feet of bound soldiers have been identified - fans of Kharkiv Metalist Sergei Velichko nicknamed Chile and Konstantin Nemichev.

https://twitter.com/Tanya34171168/status/1508195075939086347?cxt=HHwWlsC9lcnbl-4pAAAA

Posted by: Oui | Apr 21 2022 12:03 utc | 371

In 5 minutes, a proficient terrorist could easily destroy 20-40+ airplanes parked at terminals as the explosions and fires would spread very fast. In fact, I'm very surprised something like that hasn't yet occurred.
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 18:28 utc | 49

Maybe because the elites haven't seen any benefit in doing so (so far).

Posted by: BM | Apr 21 2022 12:19 utc | 372

Same bastards ..

During the civil unrest which was coopted by the CIA and western EU allies to overthrow Bashar al-Assad, to encourage the Saudi sponsored cut-throat Jihadists, the Saudi Crown Prince appointed Prince Bandar to lead the Sunni forces. Bandar of Afghanistan fame and Mujahideen to fight the Soviet occupation forces, opened the prison gates of murderers and offered these criminals and expedited journey to martyrdom. The sword of the executioner remained in his sheath.

https://english.alaraby.co.uk/analysis/bandar-end-mujahideen-prince

Posted by: Oui | Apr 21 2022 12:23 utc | 373

Strategic Culture appears to be inaccessible.
Anyone have information about the reason for this?

https://www.strategic-culture.org/

Posted by: librul | Apr 21 2022 12:36 utc | 374

Posted by: librul | Apr 21 2022 12:36 utc | 373

Supposedly a server changeover.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 12:39 utc | 375

It is reasonable to assume that the United States government, which controls the NATO, bears the ultimate responsibility for anything that happens to prisoners taken by its Ukrainian proxies.
If, therefore Gonzalo has been executed or tortured it will be because the US licenses the forces which it controls to kill prisoners and torture. The fate of Gonzalo is in the hands of President Biden.
The spectacle of the media of the western world howling continuously against 'Russian war crimes'- most of which are fictions or false flag crimes committed by the US in cold blood-is one of the active participation in war crimes of the media, not simply ignoring but covering up criminality.
It is entirely appropriate that the US and Britain confirm the total corruption and moral bankruptcy of the empire- in which NATO forces reprise the role of the Raj's Indian Army-by persisting in the campaign to punish Julian Assange for revealing US crimes in Iraq.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 21 2022 12:50 utc | 376

Posted by: Scrutiny | Apr 21 2022 8:11 utc | 308

Your suggestion that the US-directed war on Syria disabled that nation and cost the US little. But did it? Cost nothing, I mean?

Consider how much the Saudis, Qataris and Turks enjoyed spending all of that money and political capital for, to them, a dead loss. Actually, worse than that, as Syria is still standing, and are now as hard as nails having survived intact what the US et al inflicted on them. This deliberate effort to absolutely obliterate all the former allies or friendlies of the USSR before a 'risen' Russia - Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, etc. and now Ukraine - while certainly hyper-destructive have unfortunately created several hundred million permanent enemies of the US and Europe, not Russia, or China. I fear this could prove more costly than we presently may think.


Survived intact? This is in equally poor taste as refusing to acknowledge the severity of a battered wife's treatment because she still has remaining teeth. I suspect that your focus on medal count is behind this casual dismissal of the blatant abuse of Syria.

Obviously, I don't know the actual cost of the Syrian operation. I'm simply looking at the end result and comparing that to more traditional invasions and assume the cost to be considerably less. To be fair, one has to look at the entire spectrum of operations and consider the narrative management budget, which is certainly substantial, and pretty much everything hidden from public scrutiny. Militant recruiting, training and arming...

In any case, I'm still arguing that the operation was relatively low cost, particularly when you consider the extent of the devastation, the economic, societal and political damage to Syria. Objectively, more than half of the country is under foreign occupation, ie, its human and natural resources as well as its strategic worth, has been purely confiscated from the Syrian nation.

For starters, the initial invasion was outsourced to islamist millitants. They ploughed through the entire country and, by their ostensible nastiness, fully legitimised Western "liberation". And today, the bulk of the occupation is basically unchallenged, meaning that enforcing troops are largely out of the country, in Iraq and elsewhere in the Persian Gulf.

As for the northern green areas, their occupation has been completely outsourced to a fellow NATO partner. In other words, same results but effectively zero costs. An undoubtedly clever strategy.

In addition, one should consider the much wider implication of having this vast reserve of irregular, expeditionary troops, that Imperial planners can mobilize at very little cost. I picture a recruitment process similar to the roundup of field workers before a day of picking strawberries. When the cold reality of exploitative capitalism meets the cynicism of geopolitical intrigue and warfare. "So today we need 100 fighters. Specialists, 23mm gunners, mortar operators, raise your hand. Good, leave your phone and ID with the recruiting officer and board the bus. Sorry, no questions, in Gaziantep you'll be briefed on the mission. As for the rest of you, well, too bad. Please step away from the doors. Next week we'll be in al Bab, if you wanna try your luck there."

Posted by: robin | Apr 21 2022 12:55 utc | 377

re above posts:
"Syria has sent a formal accusation of US war crimes to UN Secretary General António Guterres and the UN Security Council. The Syrian side believes that the actions of the US-led coalition in Raqqa in 2017 led to the near total destruction of the city and mass civilian deaths. The time has come to shed light on the heinous war crimes committed in the city by the Western coalition between June and October 2017, when Raqqa was under siege and subjected to barbaric bombardment, the Syrian Foreign Ministry said in a statement. The Syrian foreign ministry stresses that US and other Western coalition forces carried out indiscriminate artillery and air strikes against civilian infrastructure in and around Raqqa. According to the Syrian side, the military deliberately destroyed economic infrastructure, public and private property, while coalition missile strikes were accompanied by ground attacks by the Kurdish formations of the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), which did not distinguish between DAESH terrorists (a terrorist group banned in Russia) and civilians.

"Despite the lack of an effective UN response over many years to curb US criminal activity in Syria, other international organizations have already repeatedly made documented accusations against Washington...."
https://journal-neo.org/2022/04/21/us-is-among-the-states-that-support-nazism/

Posted by: bevin | Apr 21 2022 12:59 utc | 378

b, there is no point at pointing out where the US fails, it fails everywhere, all the time, Ronald Reagen was in his second term senile, but did accomplish some good things (foreign policy) and then some humongous blunders.
Obama = All talk, and absolutely no walk. Well he did start bombing around the world, so he got rid of a lot with his own skin color, fancy that, ehhh?
I cannot remember the one before the senile twat/twit that now occupies the WH, I suppose it is telling, ohh it Was Donald Trump I believe. Well he did show Syria didn't he? They were taught a lesson, they were!
And now senile Twit-Twat is in the WH, he is a one termer , on the other hand it is the US, so you never know considering most of the population are ignorant ignoramuses, so....
And don't forget in the "state"(robber barony) formerly known as Ukraine, Russia is also happily supplying hardware (I have always wanted a Strela and a kornet sigh) so the is a very good chance of a serious population reduction, and massive rebuilding programs the EU and Russian can quarrel over, whats not to like?
Of course if you are Ukrainian the future is rather bleak, as regrettably Mr. Gonzalo Lira found out, he has disappeared like wiff of smoke. That is very sad.
Personally I hope Russia grabs 60 % of Ukrainians and send them to Kolyma, I knew someone whos was there and lived to tell about it. Not very cosy out there.
Most Europeans will not accept a fascist state in Europe or in vicinity, so that means current Ukraine is not that welcome, at least not among ordinary citizens here, we have our own disasters here, Greece, Italy why import more failed states,but of couse it will not happen.
The EU is almost generally as stupid and incompetent as the US, Russian Gas, upu could not make this up, there is no need, as long as our politicians act like The Keystone Cops.
Cheers peole, enjoy the fantastic weather, 18 Celsius here in Malmoe.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Apr 21 2022 13:12 utc | 379

@Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 12:39 utc | 374

Fuck you, troll.

Posted by: librul | Apr 21 2022 13:19 utc | 380

All re Lira: Who cares if he is (or was) a Pinochet fan? He is (or was) also a pickup artist coach or something. Who cares? His opinions on the US, Ukraine, etc. were well taken. As I said before, I don't call him a "journalist" because most of his output was not "news", it was commentary with local flavor. You can call him an "analyst", a "commentator" or an "influencer", but I don't think "journalist" is accurate. Patrick Lancaster is a journalist, Lira didn't come close - which is nothing against him, I don't think he referred to himself as such or cared to be considered one.

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:05 utc | 304

I have to disagree. If Lira isn't a journalist, then he isn't entitled to whatever protections journalists are, at least in theory, entitled to. Same goes for Assange, of course.

As for Lira's support for Pinochet, this is an important fact, but it has no demonstrable relevance in the 404 situation.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2022 13:19 utc | 381

Well, I didn't notice I was posting under my old handle. Looks like the filter has forgotten about me. LOL

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:09 utc | 307


Happened to me too, once upon a time.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2022 13:21 utc | 382

The citizens of the G7 are finding it harder and harder to make ends meet, yet billions of dollars have or are to be given to Ukraine, I hope the voters of the G7 let their feelings be known when their respective elections come around.

[snip]

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 21 2022 9:23 utc | 336


Useless. All of the Western political parties, with the meager exception of the occasional radical socialist or Trotskyist party, are pro-war. The only way out are general strikes on the order of the Gilets jaunes, multiplied by 50 or 100.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2022 13:27 utc | 383

Pinochet & Lira

Can’t give a link, it’s just what I remember Gonzalo saying. Never took notes while his verbal flood was in progress. Pinochet divided his family. Pinochet was his family. Salvador Allende was his family too. Chilean politics is family politics. Any who ever thought Chile could exist and defy Washington at the same time was so far beyond naive he couldn’t talk to them. I tried to tell this board Lira was a Carrera and no one had a clue what that meant.

Complexity is.

The new twitter account is convincing enough that his father has replied, asking for private confirmation. Father does not believe it, yet.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 21 2022 13:44 utc | 384

FYI. Someone started a new twitter account claiming to be Gonazlo Lira and having escaped Ukraine.

Already some, including people who have done podcasts with him, are taking it as a sign he is safe.
This is far from the case. The account offers zero photographic or video proof of life, something that would be easy to do. it has also not reached out be email to Gonzalo's friends or family. All signs point to it being fake. It may be simply a troll or might be someone trying to kill the negative attention his case is bringing by causing confusion over his status.

Al lot of posters here don't bother reading the comments so I expect more people will mention it soon.

Posted by: Brannagyn | Apr 21 2022 13:47 utc | 385

Well, I didn't notice I was posting under my old handle. Looks like the filter has forgotten about me. LOL
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:09 utc | 307

I recognized you immediately

Posted by: ld | Apr 21 2022 13:49 utc | 386

The Duma has voted to keep Nabiullina as Chairman of the Bank of Russia for a new term of office. For those who subscribe to the veracity of the opinions of economist Sergei Glazov, this is bad news. Celebrations are being held at the BIS and in Washington.

Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 21 2022 13:51 utc | 387

Putin has just called off the attack on the steel plant. Sealing it and all those within it to their fate.

Posted by: thecelticwithinme | Apr 21 2022 14:08 utc | 388


Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:14 utc | 310

https://tass.com/world/1440803

"Five permanent members of the UN Security Council (Russia, China, the UK, the US, France) may be the basis of guarantor states for Ukraine, with the issue being discussed at the Russian-Ukrainian talks, the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry's second CIS department Alexey Polishchuk said in an interview with TASS.

"Indeed, apart from the neutral, non-bloc and denuclearized status of Ukraine, which stipulates its demilitarization and denazification, the issues of providing it with security guarantees from a number of states are being considered at those talks," the diplomat said, adding that "it is suggested that the basis of the institute of guarantor states may consist of the five permanent members of the UN Security Council." "Other options are also under consideration, which is why the final list has not been defined yet," he noted."

Thank you, RSH, for posting this, even though I take it you are not in favor. My first read is that Tass has left out the "may" in its heading (so I left off the heading here). It is interesting to see the structure that is being considered for a future Ukraine, and Polishchuk places upfront as non-negotiable the stipulations that define Ukraine's final
status, as both Putin and Lavrov have continually defined them.

It is also to be noticed that the article concludes with a statement (my bold) to the effect that much is still to be determined.

Perhaps you could outline your dissatisfaction with this? (Mine was the misleading heading, which seemed to say the preliminary focus was determinative.)

Posted by: juliania | Apr 21 2022 14:10 utc | 389

Biden is giving a speech about how many weapons will be provided to Ukraine. It is so stuffed full of statistics that I thought I was hearing Robert McNamara.

Incidentally, this aid package for Ukraine is listed at $800 million. We spent $3.8 billion in 2020 propping up the Israeli army for another year. Frankly, $800 million isn't that much, especially after the Ukrainians take their cut. They might as well be presenting it in giant stacks of shrink-wrapped $100 bills on a C-130 for all the accountability there shall be.

Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Apr 21 2022 14:10 utc | 390

@thecelticwithinme | Apr 21 2022 14:08 utc | 387

The Russians should be giving tours of it. Charge $10 to see the Azov Battalion. "Legend has it, my friends, that if you listen during a quiet night, you can hear a lonely voice from beneath the earth shooting a YouTube video."

Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Apr 21 2022 14:13 utc | 391

I have been watching Shaun Pinner's RT interview, here:


https://t.me/NewResistance/7710?single


He's obviously reading from a mental script: "I'm a medic, I never fought, I was captured while trying to help injured people, I never saw any nazis despite living next to Azov for 4 years." A much more polished tale than Aslin's bumbling. No way is this character who he pretends to be. Almost certainly a high level British army or MI6 man.

This same Pinner, in January:

"‘I fear for my life. The Russians will treat us differently if we are captured because we are British. This is always on my mind – that I will be captured."

http://celex.s205.xrea.com/ex-squaddies-in-trenches-with-ukraine-reveal-russian-invasion-threat/

Now he pretends that he only just realised he won't be treated like a Ukrainian regular PoW.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 21 2022 14:18 utc | 392

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 21 2022 11:51 utc | 368

It's certainly not my concern whether victims of Nazism worshipped YHWH, Amon-Ra or Tengri, much less whether they thought their origins lie in the Israel, Judea or Arabia.

My concern is that Nazis killed their own population, and did so under the most feeble and cruel excuses, on top of an external campaign of conquest and extermination.

If somebody wants to denounce crooks, that's entirely fine and commendable, but they better denounce them for being CROOKS, not for being jews - Or do christian scammers swindle oh so more tenderly? Maybe muslim hitmen kill more mercifully? Do Hindu mobs lynch with more love?

When the crook, the corrupt, the warmonger are denounced; not for being corrupt warmongering crooks, but for being JEWISH; the """point""" is indistinguishable from saying "There's no problem with corrupt warmongering crooks, so long as they are christians/muslims/mazdeists!!" - that is, no better than any other expression of religious intolerance.

German jews were German, just like Italian jews were Italian, and American jews are American; and these countries, like any other, would do well in taking responsibility for their own criminals fostered within their own societies; instead of trying to foist them onto some two-bit kingdom of yore squashed by the Assyrians and along the way slaughtering a bunch of commoners on the pursuit of nonsensical "purity".

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 21 2022 14:28 utc | 393

Pinner is a moron. He fought in a civil war against DPR. He is a prisoner of DRP not Russia. Russia recognised independence of DPR but is not officially in control.

You cannot apply Geneva Conventions in Civil War because it is an inter-nation treaty structure. He was fighting Citizens of Ukraine for a regime which they rejected

Posted by: Paul Greenwood | Apr 21 2022 14:28 utc | 394

Unnamed “115”

Poland filled with Polish -hating Ukros (Galicians) , as has already happened, all pushed into Germany together. Hahah. I would shout the neighbourhood to see that .

Posted by: Brother Ma | Apr 21 2022 14:35 utc | 395

malenkov(383).

I fear you are right, as Chomsky once said if voting made a difference it would be outlawed.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 21 2022 14:50 utc | 396

malenkov(383).

I fear you are right, as Chomsky once said if voting made a difference it would be outlawed.

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 21 2022 14:50 utc | 396

I can't imagine Chomsky saying that -- after all, every four years he tells his followers to swallow their pride and principles and vote for the Democrat.

I've seen the line attributed to Mark Twain, the anarchist Emma Goldman, and a 19c Massachusetts physician named Robert Borden.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2022 14:57 utc | 397

Malenkov (397).

https://www.inspiringquotes.us/author/4302-noam-chomsky/about-voting

Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 21 2022 15:00 utc | 398

Peter #188

I found that very interesting about the Aborigines being massacred. I read some credible stories of Black Yank soldiers being shot by their own officers in Queensland in WWII as well. Apparently Aussie soldiers tried to help the blacks too, and some did ,but in general, couldn’t , due to the Aus gov not wanting to offend the Americans .

Posted by: Brother Ma | Apr 21 2022 15:04 utc | 399

We all have had our Damascus-moments at some point. That's when you start listen to "the other side".

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 21 2022 11:36 utc | 365

This Damascus "moment" is a fascinating subject to raise at this moment, I think. I'm no doubt not alone in feeling utterly disoriented amongst many of my customary sources of information, as of 2/22/22. The overwhelmingly dominant narrative (evil Russians gunning evacuees just for the hell of it, et cetera ad infinitum) is so manifestly absurd I'm forced to find something making coherent sense. As the system demands I believe absurdities, they prepare me to accept atrocities. When I see old friends like Jeffrey St Clair seamlessly absorbed into the rampant totalitarian spirit of enforced senselessness, I'm encountering an intellectual fork in the road.

It occurs to me some guides I've been trusting are not trustworthy. The crucial moment within the moment is losing faith in something idolatrous, something false. I can only fall down and pray for guidance through this weird thicket, so it feels to me very much like a Damascus Moment -- like I'm not the same person I was before 2/22/22.

There has been opening up to "the other side" to some degree -- but that can be more perplexing than helpful, at times. Andrew Anglin (over at "the other site") is a magnificently disturbed character, with disgustingly vivid homoerotic-slash-homophobic fantasies he's compelled to intersperse with otherwise interesting insights. It can get downright bizarre, over there on the other side.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 21 2022 15:55 utc | 400

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