Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
April 20, 2022
Some Of The Weapons Delivered To Ukraine Will Be Used Against Us

The U.S. and its proxies in Europe are moving an enormous amount of weapons into Ukraine. But no one has an idea where those weapons will end up. It is likely that many of those will proliferate outside of the Ukraine and some of those weapons will inevitably hit those who now deliver them.

In a review of the U.S. war on Syria Aaron Maté details how the Obama/Biden team empowered terrorist networks in Syria:

Based on declassified documents, news reports, and scattered admissions of U.S. officials, this overlooked history of how the Obama-Biden team's effort to oust the Assad regime – in concert with allies including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey – details the series of discrete decisions that ultimately led the U.S. to empower terror networks bent on its destruction.

The U.S. pushed an enormous amount of weapons into Syria. Those weapons did not end up with the 'moderate rebels' the U.S. propaganda had elevated but in the hands the most ideological committed and most brutal actors on the ground:

Although the Obama administration claimed that the weapons funneled to Syria were intended for "moderate rebels," they ultimately ended up in the hands of a jihadi-dominated insurgency. Just one month after the Benghazi attack, the New York Times reported that "hard-line Islamic jihadists," including groups "with ties or affiliations with Al Qaeda," have received "the lion’s share of the arms shipped to the Syrian opposition.

In a repeat of that 'strategy' the U.S. is currently pushing an enormous amount of weapons as well as mercenaries into Ukraine. The bigger stuff it delivers is not of much concern. But the huge amount of small arms and small ammunition, the anti-tank weapons and the handheld anti-air systems are of serious, long term danger. These fit into a car trunk and can easily be smuggled across boarders.

As I explained previously the rightwing ideology that is nurtured in Ukraine will become a danger primarily to European countries but also beyond:

Whitney Webb writes that the CIA is creating a new al-Qaeda. This time as a white supremacist rightwing militia. A part of these are mercenaries currently getting recruited by western 'security' companies. These militia will use all the 'small' weapons NATO countries are now delivering to the Ukraine to attack Russian troops and their supporters.

This will have serious backlashes in Poland and Romania from where these troops get deployed. In the longer run it will lead to rightwing terror coming back to those countries who are now supporting these forces. It will also help the longterm trend of rightwing parties increasing their share of votes.

Together with the economic devastation that U.S. and European sanctions on Russia are causing in their own economies this will end in regime-changes in several European countries. The U.S. is of course again protecting itself from as much as it can at the cost of others.

If there is a lesson to learn from Syria it is that the most ideological committed and most brutal people on the ground will not only proliferate their ideology into other countries. They are also the groups which inevitably end up holding the most dangerous weapons. They will give some to those groups in other countries which have the same ideology.

The fascist groups in Ukraine are not a Russian propaganda invention or just 'nationalist'. Back in 2018 even the NATO lobbyists at the Atlantic Council called them a dangerous threat:

Last week Hromadske Radio revealed that Ukraine’s Ministry of Youth and Sports is funding the neo-Nazi group C14 to promote “national patriotic education projects” in the country. On June 8, the Ministry announced that it will award C14 a little less than $17,000 for a children’s camp. It also awarded funds to Holosiyiv Hideout and Educational Assembly, both of which have links to the far-right. The revelation represents a dangerous example of law enforcement tacitly accepting or even encouraging the increasing lawlessness of far-right groups willing to use violence against those they don’t like.

Since the beginning of 2018, C14 and other far-right groups such as the Azov-affiliated National Militia, Right Sector, Karpatska Sich, and others have attacked Roma groups several times, as well as anti-fascist demonstrations, city council meetings, an event hosted by Amnesty International, art exhibitions, LGBT events, and environmental activists. On March 8, violent groups launched attacks against International Women’s Day marchers in cities across Ukraine. In only a few of these cases did police do anything to prevent the attacks, and in some they even arrested peaceful demonstrators rather than the actual perpetrators.

International human rights groups have sounded the alarm. After the March 8 attacks, Amnesty International warned that “Ukraine is sinking into a chaos of uncontrolled violence posed by radical groups and their total impunity. Practically no one in the country can feel safe under these conditions.” Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, and Front Line Defenders warned in a letter that radical groups acting under “a veneer of patriotism” and “traditional values” were allowed to operate under an “atmosphere of near total impunity that cannot but embolden these groups to commit more attacks.”

Over the last eight years those groups in Ukraine have had lots of contacts with similar groups in other countries. They have invited foreigners to fight with them on the frontline with the Donbas republics. These are potential buyers for the weapons that are now being delivered to the Ukraine.

The U.S. has no idea who ends up with the ten thousands of weapons it is now providing:

The US has few ways to track the substantial supply of anti-tank, anti-aircraft and other weaponry it has sent across the border into Ukraine, sources tell CNN, a blind spot that's due in large part to the lack of US boots on the ground in the country — and the easy portability of many of the smaller systems now pouring across the border. It's a conscious risk the Biden administration is willing to take.

In the short term, the US sees the transfer of hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of equipment to be vital to the Ukrainians' ability to hold off Moscow's invasion. A senior defense official said Tuesday that it is "certainly the largest recent supply to a partner country in a conflict." But the risk, both current US officials and defense analysts say, is that in the long term, some of those weapons may wind up in the hands of other militaries and militias that the US did not intend to arm.

Transparency International ranks Ukraine as number 122 out of 180 countries. The lower the rank on that list the worse the corruption. Whoever officially gets handed the weapons in Ukraine will likely put a part of the stash aside to later sell it to whomever may be interested in them. That will be easy to do:

"I couldn't tell you where they are in Ukraine and whether the Ukrainians are using them at this point," a senior defense official told reporters last week. "They're not telling us every round of ammunition they're firing and who and at when. We may never know exactly to what degree they've using the Switchblades."

The Defense Department doesn't earmark the weapons it sends for particular units, according to Pentagon press secretary John Kirby.

Trucks loaded with pallets of arms provided by the Defense Department are picked up by Ukrainian armed forces — primarily in Poland — and then driven into Ukraine, Kirby said, "then it's up to the Ukrainians to determine where they go and how they're allocated inside their country."

One can not trust Ukrainian officials who claim that these weapons will only be used for good purposes:

Privately, officials recognize that Ukraine has an incentive to give only information that will bolster their case for more aid, more arms and more diplomatic assistance.

"It's a war — everything they do and say publicly is designed to help them win the war. Every public statement is an information operation, every interview, every Zelensky appearance broadcast is an information operation," said another source familiar with western intelligence.

Zelensky constantly demands more weapons and no one has an idea where they end up. How many will he himself set aside to later sell and who will buy those?

The experience from the war on Syria tells us that the weapons that 'fell off a truck' in Ukraine will eventually end up with the most ideological committed and most brutal people. In the Ukraine those are the fascists. Some international criminals gangs who want to eliminate rivals might also be interested.

How long will it take until a Switchblade suicide drone will drop on a police car in Poland? How long until an anti-tank weapon will be used in a gang fight in Paris? How long until a Stinger anti-air missile will down civil airplane in Rome?

One, three or five years?

It is a danger we will now all be living with.

Comments

CalDre | Apr 21 2022 17:02 utc | 404
“Let me count the logical fallacies in that claim.”
You are not able to see the forest as you can perceive only single trees. Show to us here any proof that bad things that Jewish people do or did is caused by their Jewishness. Not being able to do exactly this turns your whole comment into hogwash.
If we would have a gang consisting of 80% Irish-descent people the gang still is a gang and not „Irish“. Only one can prove that what this gang does in particular is specific for Irish people.
It is that easy.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 21 2022 17:17 utc | 401

@Hausmeister #405

You are not able to see the forest as you can perceive only single trees.

Sounds like projection – I see the trees and the forest, and you see only the virtual reality of the Empire of Lies.

Show to us here any proof that bad things that Jewish people do or did is caused by their Jewishness.

Why should I do that? I never made this claim. Groups have group motives – Russians work together in Ukraine, it has nothing to do with their “Russianness” but with the fact that they are an organized group.
But if you want to see the foundations of Jewish chauvinism/supremacism, look no further than Jewish scriptures. I will highlight two sections which define Jewish chauvinism. Read them, including the Orthodox Jewish translation. 20 Deut. 16-18, in which Yahweh orders Jews to exterminate ALL non-Jews in Eretz (Greater), and Israel 20 Deut. 10-15, in which Yahweh orders Jews to enslave everyone else. That is not my “opinion”, that is Jewish religion.

If we would have a gang consisting of 80% Irish-descent people the gang still is a gang and not „Irish“.

So the IRA wasn’t Irish? It was not an Irish resistance group, an Irish conspiracy? You really are a hoot.
You ignore the entire history of Jewish chauvinism and Jewish identity, and in particular the profound hatred Jews have for Christianity, as much as ISIS hates Shia – so al Qaeda and ISIS are not Sunni conspiracies, right? Jews have been booted out of hundreds of countries for a reason, and generally a quite consistent one, based on Jewish chauvinism and the resulting undermining of the social systems wherever they have gone. Jews claim this is all due to “anti-Semitism”, and this anti-Semitism exists despite that Jews are pure and innocent as can be. Well if you predicate your views of history on obvious lies, there is no chance you will understand it.
Of course, not all Jews were Communists, and some Jews assimilated into Christian society. But that doesn’t change the fact that Jews are very organized, which is why we have Jewish newspapers (a ton of them), Jewish synagogues, Jewish ghettos, Jewish organizations, etc. You want to ignore that Jews are organized. Henry Ford even made a clear distinction, between “organized Jewry”, which consists of those working together on a Jewish agenda as part of the Jewish tribe (just like Brits work together on a British agenda as part of the British tribe/nation), but even for being more specific he was/is roundly condemned as an “anti-Semite”. It is acceptable to speak of the British Empire but not the Jewish Empire; why is that, exactly? Does every Brit support British imperialism, colonialism, aggressive wars and subjugation of non-Brits? No, of course not, but yet one can speak of the British Empire, British imperialism, British wars and British crimes. In the very same sense, one can also speak of the Jewish Empire, Jewish imperialism, Jewish wars and Jewish crimes. The analogy only falls apart because of the red herring that “not all Jews support it” – when nobody claimed they all did.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 21 2022 17:54 utc | 402

Malenkov (397).
https://www.inspiringquotes.us/author/4302-noam-chomsky/about-voting
Posted by: Republicofscotland | Apr 21 2022 15:00 utc | 398

Unsourced, and belied by Chomsky’s behavior.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2022 18:45 utc | 403

CalDre | Apr 21 2022 17:54 utc | 406
Forgive me. I have no interest in continueing this paranoid group thinking. The same kind I read (and fought) in 2015 when right-wingers in Germany ran „islam critical“, „proving“ their point of view with some citation of the Kuran and claiming that this is the group thinking of people that are Muslims on paper in reality.
I grew up in an environment where most people were Christian (on paper) amd always defended the fact that our res publica is not Christian in character. On this basis one can live together and cooperate with agnostic, Christian, Muslimic and Jewish people.
This kind of group thinking is for the retards. Sorry.

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 21 2022 19:20 utc | 404

–If somebody wants to denounce crooks, that’s entirely fine and commendable, but they better denounce them for being CROOKS, not for being jews – Or do christian scammers swindle oh so more tenderly? Maybe muslim hitmen kill more mercifully? Do Hindu mobs lynch with more love?
The difference is the scale of the operation, not the spirit.
Like now – with Elon Musk and twitter

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 21 2022 19:43 utc | 405

—-It occurs to me some guides I’ve been trusting are not trustworthy. The crucial moment within the moment is losing faith in something idolatrous, something false. I can only fall down and pray for guidance through this weird thicket, so it feels to me very much like a Damascus Moment — like I’m not the same person I was before 2/22/22.
I had mine when I realized there wasn’t a snowball chance in hell mankind would make it on it own. It’s was like the abyss opened in front of me.
That’s when I met Jesus, in such a strange way I had to listen, or more rightly read! That was back in 2007.
Now I feel like Anna in Luke chapter 2.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 21 2022 19:53 utc | 406

Team Biden has been recklessly arming Ukraine with thousands of manipads. Biden had better pray that not one of those manpads ends up shooting down a civil flight into Dullas, Washington international or some other major US airport. Just image the national panic that will erupt for US civil aviation if only a single EMPTY manpad shipping container is found anywhere near a major US international airport. The resulting panic won’t be pretty and will be long lasting.
Of course President Biden will attempt to blame the Russians for sending a manpad back to America but it was Team
Stupid’s half baked idea to sent the manpads to Ukraine in the first place. Did I mention Team Stupid’s open southern border policy that greatly facilitates the smuggling of weapons into America?

Posted by: ptownpt | Apr 21 2022 21:06 utc | 407

No, you do those things when you’re collapsing a country.
The West destroyed Ukraine intentionally.
Poland is next.
Posted by: Jerry | Apr 20 2022 19:00 utc | 61
That sounds kind of nice, Poland ,or its citizens have always been stirring the chitin Europe, the only reason it still exists is that it’s potential use as cannon-fodder by the US.
And yes I do not like Poles or their mentality.

Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Apr 21 2022 21:46 utc | 408

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 21 2022 17:02 utc | 404 (What an auspicious number!)
How to sound like a Nazi 102, not helped by liberal sprinkling of ad-hominems.
But since you were a good redditor (oops! wrong site!) and took the effort to directly reply with in-line gish-gallop, I’ll reply to the select few “””points””” that aren’t already covered.
>Bolsheviks were > 80% Jews while Jews were < 1% of Russians. Wow, I guess those jewish bolsheviks came from the Moon? Or is "Russian" now a religion? >Moreover, the Bolshevik Revolution was financed by Western Jews via part-Jewish Lenin and Jewish Trotsky using the ideology of Jews Marx and Engels.
Lenin wasn’t a jew, Lenin was a Marxist. Of Trotsky I’m not so sure, but for this matter I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. Marx certainly wasn’t a jew, he’s at least the son of converts.
How do you become half-jewish? Do you get half a circumcision, wear a semicircular kippah, and eat shellfish on odd days, but not on even days?
Or did you buy into jewish tales that they’re somehow more connected to some barely-remembered bronze-age kingdom than to the current world, despite conversions, mixed marriages and marital cheating? At which point does following Judaic articles of faith come into the indoctrination of a judeophobe? First, second?
>It wouldn’t have been the USSR but for the Bolshevik conspiracy, but the Russian Empire, which would also have acted as a check on the Empire.
The late Russian Empire couldn’t fight its way out of a wet paper bag. As amply evidenced by history. You can feel about this however you want to, it’s none of my business.
> Nazis would not have come to power but for the USSR and its massive evil
Then maybe you should feel grateful, that the USSR gave a reason to exist to the Nazis whose talking points you keep repeating.
>combined with the fact that the Jews of Germany were working nonstop to bring that same evil to the rest of Europe
HMMMMM YES, the League of Communists and the KPD were entirely composed of jews, and there wasn’t one of them in the SPD or any other political formations. Sure. Nevermind that Communism is a militantly atheistic ideology, at least in the public sphere.
>Let me count the logical fallacies in that claim.
I’m surprised that you can count to zero, but hey, at least you gave me one good surprise.
You repeat nazi-fascist talking points, unadulterated; either in continuation of Nazi supremacist policies, or in their exculpation.
You also try to act as if I wasn’t already familiar with this behavior.
And I don’t use the word “Nazi” figuratively. When I say “Nazi” I mean 1942, german zealots, call-a-taxi salutes, fake “””nordic””” mythology, pervitin, 20.000.000+ dead soviets, etc., and their continuators.
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The difference is the scale of the operation, not the spirit.
Posted by: Anne B | Apr 21 2022 19:43 utc | 409
Are you sure?
Christian pedophiles sure are organized and global, virtually every priest-erast gets sent to a third-world parish before law enforcement gets its hands on it (although I’m sure that law enforcement is also complicit). They also steal real estate left and right and scam personal wealth off of vulnerable, pious people – all of it at the very least since the middle ages, most likely since Roman Empire times.
But you won’t catch me painting christians with this brush.
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Posted by: Jerry | Apr 20 2022 19:00 utc | 61
Posted by: Den Lille Abe | Apr 21 2022 21:46 utc | 412
Not if the Baltics do it first! The lot of which currently seem to be trampling each other over who can aggravate Russia and their own russian-speaking populations the most, and the quickest; and are also much more overrated than Poland.
I vote Baltics for the “deadpool”, if they don’t get chomped up first it would be because they get classified as a diversionary minor threat.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 21 2022 22:24 utc | 409

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 21 2022 3:17 utc | 242
Brilliantly horrible post!

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 21 2022 23:56 utc | 410

@Hausmeister # 408

I have no interest in continueing this paranoid group thinking.

The theory that groups work for a common objective is “paranoid group thinking”? Well, if you believe such utter nonsense, there is no hope for you. I can see you have been completely absorbed into the intellectual vacuum of the Empire of Lies.

The same kind I read (and fought) in 2015 when right-wingers in Germany ran „islam critical“, „proving“ their point of view with some citation of the Kuran and claiming that this is the group thinking of people that are Muslims on paper in reality.

There is no equivalent in the Quran to 20 Deut. 10-18. There are some passages about massacring enemies, but it was specific to one one particular battle with the Medanites. And when the Muslims won that battle, not only did they let all of the losers live (even the ones whose persecution of Muslims had started the war), but they also did not expel or enslave them. They only had to agree to stop persecuting Muslims. So the passages are not at all similar.
Beyond that, I only raised the issue because you wrote there was no basis for claiming Jews do “bad thing” based on their religion (you wrote “Jewishness”). So then when I find a passage in their scriptures which orders them to do bad things, you reply that it is “paranoid group thinking”. I proved my point, and you cannot accept it, because your beliefs are not evidence-based, but based on Empire propaganda, which you stick to regardless of all the evidence.

I grew up in an environment where most people were Christian (on paper) amd always defended the fact that our res publica is not Christian in character. On this basis one can live together and cooperate with agnostic, Christian, Muslimic and Jewish people.

Of course you can. That does not mean all of these people think the same.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 0:02 utc | 411

@Arganthonios # 413

How to sound like a Nazi 102, not helped by liberal sprinkling of ad-hominems.

Smears are for idiots. And the only ad hominem is yours, so now I will add my ad hominem: LIAR, SMEARER AND HYPOCRITE. No doubt you are a Liberal, they live in that realm.

>Bolsheviks were > 80% Jews while Jews were < 1% of Russians. Wow, I guess those jewish bolsheviks came from the Moon? Or is "Russian" now a religion?

No, they came mostly from the Pale of Settlements. The point is they were Jews, and after they seized power, they murdered 10s of millions of Russian Christians. Obviously that does not matter to you, but nonetheless it is entirely relevant.

Lenin wasn’t a jew

As I wrote, he was part Jewish (through a grandfather).

Marx certainly wasn’t a jew, he’s at least the son of converts.

His father was a rabbi, for crying out loud.

How do you become half-jewish? Do you get half a circumcision, wear a semicircular kippah, and eat shellfish on odd days, but not on even days?

Wow, gee, how are you half Irish or half German? Oh wait, we have ethnic fluidity now, anybody can be whatever they think they are! lol.

Or did you buy into jewish tales that they’re somehow more connected to some barely-remembered bronze-age kingdom than to the current world, despite conversions, mixed marriages and marital cheating? At which point does following Judaic articles of faith come into the indoctrination of a judeophobe?

Wow, you really can’t stop with the smears, insults and other ad hominems. You are pathetic and since all of the other stuff you write is 80 IQ level garbage, enjoy the rest of your day, Jew chauvinist.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 0:13 utc | 412

@Arganthonios # 413
Also, since it is possible you still have not figured this out, “Jews” means a LOT of different things. Many think of it as *a* religion, but there is no such thing as “the” Jewish religion, there are a large number of sects, from Torah Jews, Talmud Jews, Kabbalah Jews, etc., with endless variations within the different sects, much like Christianity. Some sects are far more chauvinistic than others; some sects openly reject 20 Deut. 10-18 while most don’t, and as you should know, many Jews (such as Orthodox) scrupulously stick to the text of their scriptures – i.e. they take ALL of the halakhah very seriously, even to violate one is to egregiously sin in the eyes of Yahweh.
Now there are also other senses of Jew – such as a Jewish tribe. This is more of a secular variation (though at one time, it was coterminious with religion, but as I noted, that religion was quite split, and all of the religions of Jewish tribes have been collectively referred to as “Judaism”, even though they vary immensely).
There is also the Jewish state. And even someone as dim as you knows that this does not mean every “Jew” (in whatever meaning you are using it) belongs to this State or supports it, but Jews themselves refer to Israel as the “Jewish state”, so who are you to argue with that? In fact even many Palestinians live in the Jewish state, though as far as I know, nobody refers to them as “Jews”.
I could go on, but in my experience, but there is a saying about pearls and certain farm animals. You are just completely lost in a sea of propaganda and deceptions, which don’t permit you to see reality for what it is. There are certain terms, like “anti-Semite”, “racist”, “conspiracy theorist”, etc., which actually have no substantive meaning, they are just smear words that are used to silence those who don’t follow “the narrative”. Not because “the narrative” is true – it hardly ever is – but because the people who use it are buffoons who can’t discuss rationally, nor accept that their brainwashed opinions aren’t the only ones others have.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 0:30 utc | 413

Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Apr 21 2022 8:14 utc | 311
What’s that about (the 5 permanent SC members)?
Ukraine is considering becoming a neutral non-belligerent (like Austria) in order to reduce tensions between NATO nations and non-NATO Russia-aligned nations. (They also gave up their nukes years ago and when so doing received certain security guarantees in return.) In other words, they are giving up military means of defense against attack by hostile nation. Before they do this they want security guarantees.
In theory the 5 permanent members represent the strongest most stable nations with defense capabilities in the world. This isn’t quite true of course though it was after WW II when the 5 were chosen.
So that’s what it’s about. It means that serious conversations are going on about establishing Ukraine as a neutral, demilitarized State.
If past is prologue, however, whatever conversations are ongoing now will be nixed by the US and/or Ukraine because US believes they can collapse Russia with protracted sanctions and ostracism and they are not ready to give up yet, not by a long shot. (They just had a big pow-pow a few days ago and doubled down.)
I believe this conflict will be over when Russia says so, imo, and not before. This means that most likely they are going to want unconditional surrender and then they will take it to the people of the liberated territories which look like they maybe the the majority-Russian-speaking territories. (There is a map of the voting results in 2014 which shows a clear demarcation between East/South and North/West Ukraine and is also close (but not exactly the same) as Russian versus Ukrainian-speaking zones. The country is going to split in two for sure when this is done. Better for all.)
So they are not going to occupy Ukraine but neither are they going to negotiate much with the current regime until many of the territories involves are reconfigured with probably all the coastal states going independent like Donbass and maybe forming a Union allied with Russia to boot. So once the people have spoken, then Russia can come to terms since they will no longer be dealing with ‘non-agreement-compatible’ administrations.
I am not yet convinced that Russia doesn’t want to drag this out too for the same reason as the Americans. Both sides are playing the Great Game and both sides believe they will win by exhausting the other.

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 22 2022 0:38 utc | 414

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 0:13 utc | 416
I couldn’t care less about jews. I hold all religions and ethnic supremacisms in equal contempt.
However, I loathe religious intolerance. If bronze-age superstition doesn’t make you a better person, both you and them can be consigned to the fire as far as I’m concerned.
>No, they came mostly from the Pale of Settlements. The point is they were Jews, and after they seized power, they murdered 10s of millions of Russian Christians. Obviously that does not matter to you, but nonetheless it is entirely relevant.
Do you really expect me to take seriously some arbitrary limits set by an absolutist 19th century monarchy that couldn’t even keep their continued existence of unwarranted privilege?
Do you really expect me to make a distinction between worshippers of Bronze Age Jealous God 1.1 and Bronze Age Jealous God 1.2?
>As I wrote, he was part Jewish (through a grandfather).
Where was his “jewishness” located?
What was the trait that defined his jewishness?
Or, again, are you subject to talmudic superstitions that converting to judaism miraculously turns you and unwilling progeny into a member of a fictional chosen people?
>His father was a rabbi, for crying out loud.
If your father is a priest, this doesn’t make you a christian. If your father is an imam, this doesn’t make you a muslim.
I don’t understand why you insist on warranting Judaism any more privilege and spiritual potency than any other abrahamic religion, any other “people of the book”, much less at the same time you rail against them.
>Wow, gee, how are you half Irish or half German? Oh wait, we have ethnic fluidity now, anybody can be whatever they think they are! lol.
Lack of arguments, resort to ad-hominems.
>Wow, you really can’t stop with the smears, insults and other ad hominems. You are pathetic and since all of the other stuff you write is 80 IQ level garbage, enjoy the rest of your day, Jew chauvinist.
Lack of arguments, resort to ad-hominems II.
If you can argue your points without resorting to Nazistic or Judaic superstition, please do so, I’m all ears.
However I doubt you’ll be able to reverse your well-established trend of adversarial Judaism, for all your protesting you bear every “birthmark” (in the marxist sense) of a gentile outsider believer of judaism. I can hardly think of any lowest ideological failure, repeating Nazi talking points, while at the same time paying heed to dusty fictions written by their alleged enemies in their efforts to control commoners.
I will enjoy the rest of my day, rest assured. I do not have any more respect for judaism than I have for any other cult established through blood, whining, oppression and superstition.
But I don’t take to religious intolerance, much less based on barely distinguishable updates of the same superstitious system. The most I can do for any magical sky-daddy fetish is refraining, while in public, from shitting on it in particular.
Nor do I accommodate fictional racism based on the self-same superstitions.
Either you have the spiritual courage to face the Divinity and its judgement, or you don’t.
And you don’t.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 22 2022 0:51 utc | 415

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 0:30 utc | 417
Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 22 2022 0:51 utc | 419
Humbly and respectfully suggest you both simply ‘agree to disagree.’ These conversations never go anywhere. It’s an extremely contentious topic that takes years to penetrate so it does not lend itself well to trading comments on a board such as this.
(My two cents!)

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 22 2022 0:54 utc | 416

@Arganthonios # 413

How to sound like a Nazi 102, not helped by liberal sprinkling of ad-hominems.

Smears are for idiots. And the only ad hominem is yours, so now I will add my ad hominem: LIAR, SMEARER AND HYPOCRITE. No doubt you are a Liberal, they live in that realm.

>Bolsheviks were > 80% Jews while Jews were < 1% of Russians. Wow, I guess those jewish bolsheviks came from the Moon? Or is "Russian" now a religion?

No, they came mostly from the Pale of Settlements. The point is they were Jews, and after they seized power, they murdered 10s of millions of Russian Christians. Obviously that does not matter to you, but nonetheless it is entirely relevant.

Lenin wasn’t a jew

As I wrote, he was part Jewish (through a grandfather).

Marx certainly wasn’t a jew, he’s at least the son of converts.

His father was a rabbi, for crying out loud.

How do you become half-jewish? Do you get half a circumcision, wear a semicircular kippah, and eat shellfish on odd days, but not on even days?

Wow, gee, how are you half Irish or half German? Oh wait, we have ethnic fluidity now, anybody can be whatever they think they are! lol.

Or did you buy into jewish tales that they’re somehow more connected to some barely-remembered bronze-age kingdom than to the current world, despite conversions, mixed marriages and marital cheating? At which point does following Judaic articles of faith come into the indoctrination of a judeophobe?

Wow, you really can’t stop with the smears, insults and other ad hominems. You are pathetic and since all of the other stuff you write is 80 IQ level garbage, enjoy the rest of your day, Jew chauvinist.
@Arganthonios # 419

I couldn’t care less about jews. I hold all religions and ethnic supremacisms in equal contempt.

Really? So the Jewish Holocaust (assuming it is true) was terrible, the worst thing that ever happened, but what about the Christian Holocaust in Russia? That killed far more people than even the 6 million number. Are Jews to blame for that, when the Bolsheviks were Jews? Are Germans to blame for the Jewish Holocaust, when the Nazis were Germans? I’m interested really in how equally you treat all people, as you claim to do.
And by the way, do you think the Jewish extermination of 10s of millions of Russians might have had a bearing on the rise to power of Nazis in Christian Gemrany, while Jews were militantly advocating for German Communism?

However, I loathe religious intolerance. If bronze-age superstition doesn’t make you a better person, both you and them can be consigned to the fire as far as I’m concerned.

And from where do you conjure this alleged “religious intolerance”? From the Bolsheviks, whom you seem to all but cheer on? I suppose you don’t even consider the “secular humanist” ideology a “religion”, though it clearly is.

Do you really expect me to take seriously some arbitrary limits set by an absolutist 19th century monarchy that couldn’t even keep their continued existence of unwarranted privilege?

I didn’t mention anything about the tsar, but you are clearly digressing. I wrote about the 10s of millions of Russians murdered by the Bolsheviks, but I will add to that the razing of Christian Churches and the executions of Christian priests.

Where was his “jewishness” located?

Why don’t you study his life and find out? He certainly associated with lots of Jews, but that of course is not evidence he idenified as one, no, it probably means he was an anti-Semite.

If your father is a priest, this doesn’t make you a christian. If your father is an imam, this doesn’t make you a muslim.

Marx considered himself a Jew, and he is widely considered a Jew by just about everyone – most of all, by Communist Jews. Besides that, “Jew” does not just refer to a particular religion – it also refers to a tribe. And besides that, plenty of rabbis are on record with quotes such as “Communism is Judaism”. The fact that Communism ideology was developed almost entirely by Jews is a clue.

If you can argue your points without resorting to Nazistic or Judaic superstition, please do so, I’m all ears.

If you can make your “arguments” without resorting to ad hominems, insults, nonsense, obvious fallacies, and bad faith propositions, I would be happy to continue.
Remainder of ad hominem and psychoanalytic nonsense .. ignored

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 1:45 utc | 417

@Scorpion # 420

Humbly and respectfully suggest you both simply ‘agree to disagree.’ These conversations never go anywhere. It’s an extremely contentious topic that takes years to penetrate so it does not lend itself well to trading comments on a board such as this.
(My two cents!)

Fair enough. The downside to that is, given the massive censorship and “taboo” nature of not accepting the Jewish narrative about Jewish history, you end up, at least sub rosa, endorsing it.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 1:52 utc | 418

@ CalDre – do keep in mind that b is in Germany, where it’s illegal to question the ‘Holocaust’, and we don’t want to get him in trouble. And also the new accepted definition of anti-semitism is pretty much any criticism of ‘those people’.
The whole thing just reminds me of that Voltaire quote : “If you want to know who rules over you, ask yourself whom you’re not allowed to criticize.”

Posted by: Featherless | Apr 22 2022 2:49 utc | 419

@Featherless #423
Fair point, given that “b” is not making these statements, he will not be held responsible for them, though the site might be banned that is very rare, I would imagine there would have to be multiple actual articles violating the censorship law. Now, a German *viewing* the comment might receive up to 15 years in prison (more than a murderer – this is because “freedom” and “democracy” are important Empire values), but in a case like this, nobody can really be accused of “viewing” my posts, someone is just reading comments and skips the ones that are forbidden to read. Again the situation is different when the article itself contains forbidden thoughts, in that case it is easier to prove that the person was reading them.
Also, for example, many German states have banned the letter “Z”. Does that mean I should not use a “Z” in my posts?
Do you have a list of websites banned in Germany, to ascertain where they draw the line?

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 3:13 utc | 420

@CalDre – no clue, sorry.

Posted by: Featherless | Apr 22 2022 3:21 utc | 421

There’s an interview by former CIA analyst Larry Johnson on RT re: the Ukraine conflict, covers a wide range of questions, one of them directed to this issue of weapons proliferation. He claimed that the French police had already recovered small arms and shoulder-fired SAMs in Paris, which were traced to Ukraine deliveries, meaning that, as one would expect, the utterly corrupt Ukrainian military, and presumably also the “foreign legion” of ideologically motivated combatants, are widely distributing them (in the first case, via black markets for personal enrichment, in the second case, to their comrades of ideological persuasion).
https://sonar21.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/%E2%80%98They-bit-off-more-than-they-can-chew-dealing-with-Russia-%E2%80%93-Former-CIA-Analyst1-1.mp4

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 3:35 utc | 422

Light arms/weapons are being pumped in so that they’re in place for later use by radical folks to blow up the pipelines: and other terrorist activities. The US will, as will a lot of European countries, invest a lot of money into LNG operations (LNG sales to Europeans). Can’t risk that investment being compromised by the possibility of Russia later turning valves on. Might just be theater as Russia will be redirecting gas eastward once the Europeans stop payments/cancel accepting NG; blowing up the pipelines will give the US peace of mind [suspect that this would bring cheaper insurance coverage on contracts].
Someone in the G.W. Bush administration (Bolton?) on the lead-up to the Iraq war had stated that even if Iraq ended up broken it would still end up being a “good.” More and more information is out there suggesting that breaking Ukraine HAD to occur. The destruction of the pipelines seems inevitable, seems likely a component of the US plans.
Remember: ALL WARS ARE ABOUT RESOURCES (as the underlying current driving conflict).
Here’s a quick look at pipelines in Ukraine (just a semi-random grab):
https://themillenniumreport.com/2014/08/does-the-ukrainian-crisis-revolve-around-this-pipeline/

Posted by: Seer | Apr 22 2022 4:29 utc | 423

Does anyone have a link to the video of Zelensky meeting with Azov(?) folks along the line of contention some years back? It’s the one where he’s almost breaking down trying to tell them that he’s the president and that they need to do what he says: I recall him saying something about him being 40 years old (not sure what value that had to the conversation, perhaps to note that he wasn’t a child?).

Posted by: Seer | Apr 22 2022 5:18 utc | 424

The only thing worse than Super Jews are obsessive, conspiratorial antisemites.

So in other words, you can’t decide which of your two split personalities you hate more?

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 7:22 utc | 425

@Seer # 433
Not sure if you mean this one (without translation).

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 7:44 utc | 426

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 7:22 utc | 434
Look in a mirror, the only one whitewashing the “third reich” and quoting jewish scripture is you.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 22 2022 8:47 utc | 427

@Arganthonios # 436

the only one whitewashing the “third reich” and quoting jewish scripture is you

If by “whitewashing” you mean “debunking childish booga-booga lies”, sure. I suppose you still believe in the “soap from human fat” and “skin lampshades”, even though those have been thoroughly debunked by scientific inquiry – in particular, chemical tests of these soaps and lampshades, which proved the Holohoax lies to be what they are. Similar scientific inquiry into other aspects of the Holohoax fable lead to similar results, and that is why they are banned, and the scientists are imprisoned. Why would scientific forensic research into Holohoax claims be banned, in a world that is allegedly dedicated to science, unless the censors know what the results will prove? Don’t you think if science would support the Holohoax, they would be very supportive of it? Well, I am sure that kind of thinking is far too deep for you, you just prefer to repeat tired lies.
As to quoting Jewish scripture, I think Judaism is the most vile, barbaric religion I have ever learned (the Wahhabist “sect of Islam” is also horrible, but still shoulders above Judaism and the genocide, slavery, Jewish supremacism, death and destruction that the fake Jewish god embodies). No doubt other tribes in millenia past had similar barbaric and chauvinistic beliefs, but they were discarded long ago. I don’t quote them in reverence, I quote them to show their extreme chauvinism and the genocidal savagery of the Jewish god, Yahweh.
Essentially you try to berate me for pursuing truth. It’s pretty funny, actually.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 9:14 utc | 428

>Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 9:14 utc | 437
What’s really funny here is the naiveté and hypocrisy of Nazist commenters (you in this case) who want to repeat every nazi-fascist talking point under the sun but fly off the handle the moment they get pointed out as the Nazis they are, and immediately devolve into swearing at the speed of light.
Contradictions, my Nazi, contradictions.
The cryptonazi wants to advance nazist thought.
But the cryptonazi knows that most people react to an open nazi as they would react to a plague-bearer.
And so has to avoid being outed as a nazi or all efforts will be for naught.
Therefore the only option left is to introduce nazist theses piecemeal, while vehemently denying any relation to nazifascism.
But the cryptonazi has nothing of substance to demonstrate that he’s not a Nazi when questioned, much less when he has already produced several nazistic theses while still “under cover”.
This leads to incoherent anger and attempts at manipulation as a last resort.
List 1, nazist talking points:
– Downplaying nazi-fascist barbarism and degeneracy
– Rabid anticommunism
– A hardcore penchant for anti-historical what-ifs*
– Judeophobic conspirationism (everything the crypto-nazi doesn’t like is the handiwork of jews)
– Judeophobic scapegoating (a “Lionel Hutz’s World Without Lawyers” vision about jews)
– Denouncing of social ills, but only or chiefly as jewish influence
– Considering “Nazi” an insult in itself, not because of nazi-fascist barbarism and degeneracy (this is a dead giveaway)
– Touches of medievalism
List 2, obfuscation and manipulation techniques
– Superficial attempts to pass as something else than a nazi
– Immediate derision towards any questioning or labeling of their nazi-fascist talking points
– Acting like nobody could ever be already familiar with this song-and-dance.
You have done all of the above. Many others have also done the same in the past.
Some elements in List 1 points have legitimate, non-nazi equivalents, which I won’t spell out for you in greater detail since I don’t want to give you any more tools for advancing nazist thought. Most of them don’t truthfully signal cryptofascism when isolated, not even in their nazi-fascistic form. But an ample constellation of them, together with a comprehensive failure to grasp their non-nazi equivalents and accompanied by the tactics outlined in List 2, do truthfully signal a cryptofascist effort of discourse.
“You see, we like our Nazis in uniform. That way we can spot ’em just like that. But you take off that uniform, ain’t no one ever gonna know you were a Nazi. And that don’t sit well with us.”
*: You in particular managed to fall into nested anti-historical what-ifs, I guess you deserve a Nuland Cookie for that.

Posted by: Arganthonios | Apr 22 2022 11:32 utc | 429

Arganthonius, you have a knack for wordy holier-than-thou BS. You should get into western politics.

Posted by: Featherless | Apr 22 2022 13:42 utc | 430

Featherless | Apr 22 2022 13:42 utc | 439
So we agree that this is not ad-hominem but an argument-free zone? Shall we wait till you have something to say?

Posted by: Hausmeister | Apr 22 2022 15:25 utc | 431

When I was young, I was pretty clever, and thought I knew more than I did. I was really good at being argumentative, and my mother often threw her hands up in exasperation. Ultimately, it didn’t help me learn, nor become a better person. I was mostly an ignorant smartass, and a pain in the ass.
In my late 20’s I finally came to understand this, and became “agnostic”, and my learning accelerated, which actually gradually uncovered the scale of all that I DON’T know. I’m not an ego person anymore, and learning exchanges for me are not something to be “won”.
I come here to learn, and my humble mind’s agnostic sensitivity keeps me aware that – comparatively, on this forum – I’m a newb. And I embrace that, as it allows me to listen, and weigh and permute different views, And I feel like I’ve learned more in the last four years, here than when I was in university. And still, I don’t consider myself “knowledgeable”, but at least “in the loop”. So I mostly read here now.
Yet, some of the things I have learned help me to see through mainstream BS (I’m not just talking news) like for example how “Leftism” has been hijacked and morphed into the new fake left, woke “trend”.
When I was 20, I would’ve believed a lot of the garbage they feed us, like how globalism and immigration are good, US foreign wars are justified, etc. because the words they use sound reasonable and rational enough. I was an idealist, and would’ve been insulted at being called naive. Yet I understand that now.
When I was about 25, a 50-year old co-worker calmly said to me : “You have a good heart, but you’re disconnected from reality.” I quietly took note, and my attitude changed, and I’m glad it did.
This has been my experience. Make of it whatever you wish.

Posted by: Featherless | Apr 22 2022 16:05 utc | 432

@Arganthonios # 438
Jew chauvinist/Empire toady propagandists like you are really quite pathetic. You call anyone that doesn’t buy your beloved historical lies – lies which one is not allowed to challenge, whether historically, logically, with actual data, or with new science at the pain of severe punishment – a “Nazi”, which, of course, is the Empire’s “code” for the greatest evil that has ever existed.
It’s not possible to have a debate with ignorant slanderers like you because all you can do is slander. You can’t address the merits of anything, because to do so would mean you lose. So you engage in cheap smears and psychobabble. The fact that people like you – the vigorous defenders of the actual Nazis today – are so transparently intellectually weak and disingenuous is the one great hope for humanity.
When it comes to history, or the present, the proper path is to speak the truth about it, and not with a view of “what is the political significance of that”. I don’t worship Jews like you do – to me they are like any other people, they do good and bad and one has to look at it objectively. If that makes me a Nazi in your book, or the book of other Jew chauvinists/toadies, so be it – but it is obvious to anyone serious that speaking the truth does not make one evil, as you imply, it is people like you who deny the truth that are the evil ones.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 22 2022 17:17 utc | 433

Have my remarks from 4/20 been taken down? I’m puzzled.

Posted by: Teejay | Apr 24 2022 0:20 utc | 434

While Saigon was falling Admiral Poindexter and other higher ups used US aircraft carriers and other transport ships to transfer as many arms, … tanks, artillery, aircraft, small.arms etc., as possible to Taiwan and the Phillipines to ne just covert drip spots. After the war they became arms merchants and probably drug merchants too. Today Admiral Poindexter’s net worth is $500 million. But who cares? The same business.model is used in Ukraine. Nothing changes. Not even the names.

Posted by: the grand wazoo | Apr 24 2022 16:22 utc | 435