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April 20, 2022
Some Of The Weapons Delivered To Ukraine Will Be Used Against Us

The U.S. and its proxies in Europe are moving an enormous amount of weapons into Ukraine. But no one has an idea where those weapons will end up. It is likely that many of those will proliferate outside of the Ukraine and some of those weapons will inevitably hit those who now deliver them.

In a review of the U.S. war on Syria Aaron Maté details how the Obama/Biden team empowered terrorist networks in Syria:

Based on declassified documents, news reports, and scattered admissions of U.S. officials, this overlooked history of how the Obama-Biden team's effort to oust the Assad regime – in concert with allies including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey – details the series of discrete decisions that ultimately led the U.S. to empower terror networks bent on its destruction.

The U.S. pushed an enormous amount of weapons into Syria. Those weapons did not end up with the 'moderate rebels' the U.S. propaganda had elevated but in the hands the most ideological committed and most brutal actors on the ground:

Although the Obama administration claimed that the weapons funneled to Syria were intended for "moderate rebels," they ultimately ended up in the hands of a jihadi-dominated insurgency. Just one month after the Benghazi attack, the New York Times reported that "hard-line Islamic jihadists," including groups "with ties or affiliations with Al Qaeda," have received "the lion’s share of the arms shipped to the Syrian opposition.

In a repeat of that 'strategy' the U.S. is currently pushing an enormous amount of weapons as well as mercenaries into Ukraine. The bigger stuff it delivers is not of much concern. But the huge amount of small arms and small ammunition, the anti-tank weapons and the handheld anti-air systems are of serious, long term danger. These fit into a car trunk and can easily be smuggled across boarders.

As I explained previously the rightwing ideology that is nurtured in Ukraine will become a danger primarily to European countries but also beyond:

Whitney Webb writes that the CIA is creating a new al-Qaeda. This time as a white supremacist rightwing militia. A part of these are mercenaries currently getting recruited by western 'security' companies. These militia will use all the 'small' weapons NATO countries are now delivering to the Ukraine to attack Russian troops and their supporters.

This will have serious backlashes in Poland and Romania from where these troops get deployed. In the longer run it will lead to rightwing terror coming back to those countries who are now supporting these forces. It will also help the longterm trend of rightwing parties increasing their share of votes.

Together with the economic devastation that U.S. and European sanctions on Russia are causing in their own economies this will end in regime-changes in several European countries. The U.S. is of course again protecting itself from as much as it can at the cost of others.

If there is a lesson to learn from Syria it is that the most ideological committed and most brutal people on the ground will not only proliferate their ideology into other countries. They are also the groups which inevitably end up holding the most dangerous weapons. They will give some to those groups in other countries which have the same ideology.

The fascist groups in Ukraine are not a Russian propaganda invention or just 'nationalist'. Back in 2018 even the NATO lobbyists at the Atlantic Council called them a dangerous threat:

Last week Hromadske Radio revealed that Ukraine’s Ministry of Youth and Sports is funding the neo-Nazi group C14 to promote “national patriotic education projects” in the country. On June 8, the Ministry announced that it will award C14 a little less than $17,000 for a children’s camp. It also awarded funds to Holosiyiv Hideout and Educational Assembly, both of which have links to the far-right. The revelation represents a dangerous example of law enforcement tacitly accepting or even encouraging the increasing lawlessness of far-right groups willing to use violence against those they don’t like.

Since the beginning of 2018, C14 and other far-right groups such as the Azov-affiliated National Militia, Right Sector, Karpatska Sich, and others have attacked Roma groups several times, as well as anti-fascist demonstrations, city council meetings, an event hosted by Amnesty International, art exhibitions, LGBT events, and environmental activists. On March 8, violent groups launched attacks against International Women’s Day marchers in cities across Ukraine. In only a few of these cases did police do anything to prevent the attacks, and in some they even arrested peaceful demonstrators rather than the actual perpetrators.

International human rights groups have sounded the alarm. After the March 8 attacks, Amnesty International warned that “Ukraine is sinking into a chaos of uncontrolled violence posed by radical groups and their total impunity. Practically no one in the country can feel safe under these conditions.” Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, and Front Line Defenders warned in a letter that radical groups acting under “a veneer of patriotism” and “traditional values” were allowed to operate under an “atmosphere of near total impunity that cannot but embolden these groups to commit more attacks.”

Over the last eight years those groups in Ukraine have had lots of contacts with similar groups in other countries. They have invited foreigners to fight with them on the frontline with the Donbas republics. These are potential buyers for the weapons that are now being delivered to the Ukraine.

The U.S. has no idea who ends up with the ten thousands of weapons it is now providing:

The US has few ways to track the substantial supply of anti-tank, anti-aircraft and other weaponry it has sent across the border into Ukraine, sources tell CNN, a blind spot that's due in large part to the lack of US boots on the ground in the country — and the easy portability of many of the smaller systems now pouring across the border. It's a conscious risk the Biden administration is willing to take.

In the short term, the US sees the transfer of hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of equipment to be vital to the Ukrainians' ability to hold off Moscow's invasion. A senior defense official said Tuesday that it is "certainly the largest recent supply to a partner country in a conflict." But the risk, both current US officials and defense analysts say, is that in the long term, some of those weapons may wind up in the hands of other militaries and militias that the US did not intend to arm.

Transparency International ranks Ukraine as number 122 out of 180 countries. The lower the rank on that list the worse the corruption. Whoever officially gets handed the weapons in Ukraine will likely put a part of the stash aside to later sell it to whomever may be interested in them. That will be easy to do:

"I couldn't tell you where they are in Ukraine and whether the Ukrainians are using them at this point," a senior defense official told reporters last week. "They're not telling us every round of ammunition they're firing and who and at when. We may never know exactly to what degree they've using the Switchblades."

The Defense Department doesn't earmark the weapons it sends for particular units, according to Pentagon press secretary John Kirby.

Trucks loaded with pallets of arms provided by the Defense Department are picked up by Ukrainian armed forces — primarily in Poland — and then driven into Ukraine, Kirby said, "then it's up to the Ukrainians to determine where they go and how they're allocated inside their country."

One can not trust Ukrainian officials who claim that these weapons will only be used for good purposes:

Privately, officials recognize that Ukraine has an incentive to give only information that will bolster their case for more aid, more arms and more diplomatic assistance.

"It's a war — everything they do and say publicly is designed to help them win the war. Every public statement is an information operation, every interview, every Zelensky appearance broadcast is an information operation," said another source familiar with western intelligence.

Zelensky constantly demands more weapons and no one has an idea where they end up. How many will he himself set aside to later sell and who will buy those?

The experience from the war on Syria tells us that the weapons that 'fell off a truck' in Ukraine will eventually end up with the most ideological committed and most brutal people. In the Ukraine those are the fascists. Some international criminals gangs who want to eliminate rivals might also be interested.

How long will it take until a Switchblade suicide drone will drop on a police car in Poland? How long until an anti-tank weapon will be used in a gang fight in Paris? How long until a Stinger anti-air missile will down civil airplane in Rome?

One, three or five years?

It is a danger we will now all be living with.

Comments

Boo
From a previous thread. balance, wrong, and right…
Balance. As an anglo I see the perspective of the other side. How ever it come about I got a deeply instilled sense of right and wrong. Nuremberg trials spell that out.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 20 2022 23:40 utc | 201

Gonzalo would make a great President of the de-nazified Ukraine. The west will continue to send weapons to the terrorists as long as the US wishes it so. The US has troops in most every EU/NATO country and the europeans are powerless to do as they wish as long as the US military/government owns them.

Posted by: Joe | Apr 20 2022 23:46 utc | 202

PeterAU1 @191
Yes.

Posted by: Oldhippie | Apr 20 2022 23:53 utc | 203

Lira perfectly understood the risks he was taking. go fuck yourself.
Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 20 2022 23:04 utc | 188
what are you so upset about?
Put another way: I bet his wife and children wished he had got out sooner. I don’t understand why a father and husband would want to stay in a war zone like that just to make you tubes.

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 20 2022 23:57 utc | 204

watcher | Apr 20 2022 23:35 utc | 199
Hopefully a some point this county I have grown up in, that my my children have grown up in will become independent. the british offshored their poor and that is my forebears.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 0:03 utc | 206

Ritter was emphasizing the defeaning silence of legacy media following the disappearance of a real journalist, now missing for 5 days.
Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 20 2022 22:44 utc | 176
Well Gonzalo was not exactly a journalist lets be real. He was living in a war zone, by choice, in his hotel room not out in the field, reading “researching” online and telling stories, quite gossipy stories at that and often with very randy language.
Nothing wrong with that but please don’t confuse it with journalism.
He once characterised the Israeli/ Palestinian conflict as two peoples who hate each other. ?? And this one: He remarked that he had been living in Ukraine for maybe 8 years but only took notice of the Donbass when Russia invaded ?? Some journalist eh? And also what a small world it is as it turns out that Gonzalo is friends with the Duran guys and Scott Ritter. He has young children yet risked his life unprotected in a war zone? why? That is not bravery.
I have no idea to what purpose but his story was sus from the get go and that reputable media outlets glommed on to him so readily when he was purportedly in such obvious danger just goes to show the hyenas are not restricted to MSM journalism.
They all, and you know who i mean, took advantage of him for views knowing full well this could happen. Other journos in the field are always most obviously covered and protected by friendly military. What kind of ethics is this to take stories from a “dead man walking”
I’m just asking questions, maybe like a journalist would? so please spare the condemnations and think about it.
I do not wish this man any harm but there is most certainly a lot more to his story.

Posted by: K | Apr 21 2022 0:07 utc | 207

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 0:03 utc | 205
And mine – mostly Scottish with a few others thrown in. Some were semi rebellious Scots, most middle class wannabes

Posted by: watcher | Apr 21 2022 0:12 utc | 208

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 20 2022 22:59 utc | 185
I watched a bunch of videos from Gonzalo lira on youtube and I was amazed with what I sawn.
He was in the middle of a besieged city , just speaking his mind. The guy is obviously very intelligent but I would have left the city ASAP if I could simply because it is besieged and then he uttered the harshest criticism about Ukraine, Ukrainian military, lthe Ukranian president leaders in the west, now this was really some hardcore roasting of all of them involved. Stuff that one would guess makes a lot of folks very angry, because the truth hurts.
I was kinda expecting the SBU to storm into his house and arrest him at any moment during these videos actually.
I figured they did not arrest him because his videos were in English and therefore did not influence anyone in Ukraine, so that is why he probably did not show up yet on the radar of the Ukrainian authorities. Guess that all changed after the daily beast did a hardcore hit piece on him.
Now of course he did nothing wrong objectively, he was just speaking his mind , philosophizing on youtube, the same way I do all the time to friends. But man o man, what the hell was he thinking ? how the goons were going to react ?|
But Then again I seen such behavior before in very difficult circumstances like war, when you can get killed any minute by a bullet, a mortar or a bomb, some people seem to get some extraordinary courage to just speak their mind, tell it like it is and whatever will be will be, who cares.

Posted by: Jimmy | Apr 21 2022 0:16 utc | 209

The Australian man who killed 51 people and wounded 40 in Christchurch New Zealand in March 2019 was linked to Azov Battalion as well as other far-right groups in Europe. There is a suggestion he trained with Azov before committing his crime.
https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/geopolitics/article/3002927/was-christchurch-shooter-part-white-supremacist-network

Posted by: Jezza | Apr 21 2022 0:17 utc | 210

Spaniards defend bullfighting by saying it gives the bull, who is going to be slaughtered in any case, a chance to die bravely. A thought that would never have occurred to an English speaker, not even to someone of Irish descent like myself.
Gonzalo Lira may have been crazy brave, but there are those of us who admire him all the more for that.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 21 2022 0:22 utc | 211

Posted by: Teejay | Apr 20 2022 22:30 utc | 172
Seems you took the wrong way, troll.

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 21 2022 0:31 utc | 212

I think it is absolutely part of the plan.

Posted by: BonMot | Apr 21 2022 0:32 utc | 213

@118 unnamed
Well, for starters, old-leftists were usually highly-educated children of well-to-do families that strayed in their adulthood from their family roots. Western leftists are more likely cosmopolitan.
Families are by their very nature traditional and conservative. They can be either matriarchal or patriarchal but usually gender roles are firmly assigned.
Russia, being a resurgent-Christian Nation seems to be largely uprooting the poisonous “progress” made by liberal globalists who have for a while now sought to undermine traditional family roles and values

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 21 2022 0:34 utc | 214

There is no proof of life from Gonzalo Lira, no proof of death either. The Nazis bragging about his capture just seek to scare the hell any dissident in Ukraine and prevent them to follow suit.
They would have shown him if they could.
Most likely he dodged the danger and is in hiding…

Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 21 2022 0:37 utc | 215

The kamikaze pilots were also crazy brave. As a retired officer in the U.S. Naval Reserve, I’ve never understood the hostility of U.S. Navy people to the kamikaze pilots. I wouldn’t do the same myself, I doubt if many U.S. Navy people would, or many Americans period. But I have only admiration for their crazy bravery.
Same goes for Gonzalo Lira.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 21 2022 0:39 utc | 216

@A3OB – 1
“ This is turning out to be another Afghanistan for Russia”.
That is wishful neocon thinking. In reality, Ukraine will turn into a Nazi ‘caliphate’ in Europe.

Posted by: Moses22 | Apr 21 2022 0:51 utc | 217

Once, when I was doing annual reserve duty at the naval base of Rota in southern Spain, I was served a delicious meal of oxtail at a restaurant in the nearby town of Puerto de Santa Maria. The meat very likely was the result of a bullfight at Seville, a center of bullfighting, or some other nearby bullring.
I don’t know what lesson to draw from that, but I think it’s worth mentioning.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 21 2022 0:55 utc | 218

Regarding Gonzalo’s status, the specific people that governments, of some kind, need to be questioning are:
Sergei Velichko (Chili), member of the Azov ‘Kraken’ unit and the person implied to be responsible for the abduction, also involved in the shooting of Russian POWs.
Ruslan Oleynik, another member of Kraken, implicated in the above shooting.
Konstantin Nemichev, also a Kraken member, also implicated in the above.
Ruslan Mironyuk, another Kraken member, claimed to be responsible for video execution by stabbing of a Russian soldier.
Maksym Zhorin (Mose), former Azov commander and a current head of the far-right National Corps political party; responsible for the picture of Velichko’s ‘boast’; also posted a photo of the body of the murdered Mayor of Kremennaya and highly likely to have been involved in his execution. Regarding the National Corps, their leader Andriy Biletsky, another former Azov commander, once said that Ukrainian’s mission was to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade…against Semite-led Untermenschen”.
Sergei Korotkikh (Boatsman), another former Avov commander and likely killer of civilians in Bucha, who praised Lira’s capture and hoped for video of an execution.
Other people that should be investigated:
Denys Prokopenko (Redis), current commander of Azov and likely well aware of the activities of the above figures.
Sarah Ashton-Cirillo, twitter ‘journalist’ and Azov groupie who was the first to report on Lira’s abduction. Appears to have connections to and information from the above sources or people close to them.
Regarding this last person, I wrote elsewhere (back on March 6th) that Lira’s commentary was likely to get him killed (hopefully he is only detained). I can see a similar future of Ashton-Cirillo. The public connection, whether it exists or not, between high-profile (hardcore neoNazi) Azov members and a transgender person may become embarrassing for them. Also, while even Azov members are now deleting posts relating to Lira, Ashton-Cirillo has done, and continues to do, more than anyone to shine a light on their involvement. Given that this person claims to still be in Kharkov, they are walking a dangerous line.
Finally, several of the above Azov members, the Kraken team in particular, are currently in Kharkov. If they become cut off by the Russians they can expect no mercy. In that case it is quite possible they would turn on civilians to create another Bucha in order to build support for a relief effort. If for no other reason, it is worth watching for any mention of their names.

Posted by: Brannagyn | Apr 21 2022 1:06 utc | 219

Still hoping that Gonzo will pop up again soon with a lengthy and amazing story of his exploits over tbe last days. Well I’m going to hang on that until proven otherwise.

Posted by: Oh | Apr 21 2022 1:09 utc | 220

https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202204/1259901.shtml
Ukraine says ready for any prisoner swap format to free people from Mariupol
By Xinhua
Published: Apr 21, 2022 07:56 AM
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said on Wednesday his country stands ready for any format of prisoner exchange with Russia to free people from the besieged city of Mariupol, the Interfax-Ukraine news agency reported.
“We are ready for any format of exchange for the sake of our people, both military and civilian,” Zelensky said during a joint briefing with European Council President Charles Michel in Kiev.
Currently, some 120,000 civilians remain in Mariupol, Zelensky said, noting that the humanitarian situation in the city is deteriorating.
Earlier in the day, Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister Iryna Vereshchuk said that Ukraine and Russia have reached a preliminary agreement on establishing a humanitarian corridor to evacuate women, children and the elderly from the embattled city.
Mariupol, a key Azov Sea port city in eastern Ukraine, saw one of the worst violence in the Russia-Ukraine conflict.

Posted by: daffyDuct | Apr 21 2022 1:18 utc | 221

Scorpion 185
He is possibly still alive. High trade value for cash.

Posted by: Petev | Apr 21 2022 1:21 utc | 222

@ Lysius
Saw a few bullfights in Plaza Monumental, Barcelona, back in the early 70s.
They weaken them bit by bit, with spears in the spine, then knives.
Most of them are barely there for the supposed Matador.
Probably an elite ritual in managing the herd.

Posted by: Jerry | Apr 21 2022 1:22 utc | 223

>>>How long will it take until a Switchblade suicide drone will drop on a police car in Poland? How long until an anti-tank weapon will be used in a gang fight in Paris? How long until a Stinger anti-air missile will down civil airplane in Rome?
One, three or five years?
Posted by: Kim | Apr 20 2022 17:22 utc | 17<<< A couple of months is long enough time for the average Western Consumer to be OCD on the latest MSM shiny object-forgotten about it and/or be too medicated and hysterical to allow critical thinking skills to pose the question 'hey wasn't that the stuff we gave the good guys in Ukraine to fight the bad guys in Russia?'.

Posted by: Corsair66 | Apr 21 2022 1:22 utc | 224

@ K | Apr 21 2022 0:07 utc | 206
It seems to me that all you’re doing is arguing, if unintentionally, that Lira is more of a journalist than just about anyone in Western media.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2022 1:26 utc | 225

@Teejay – 172
Adams arguments against the Grayzone and others essentially amount to:
Western media – Russia is 100% shooting evacuees, 100% responsible for the hospital bombing, and 100% responsible for the theatre bombing
Grayzone et al. – We don’t know for sure who is responsible and here is evidence that suggests Ukraine or Azov may have been the guilty parties
Adams – This ‘evidence’ is very shaky, we can’t know for sure who was responsible so clearly the Grayzone are not proper journalists. That said, let’s go back to believing it was Russia who did everything bad.
If you don’t see the flaw in Adams approach, and it is not simple ignorance, he is smart enough to be well aware of what he is doing, I can’t offer anything else likely to change your opinion.

Posted by: Brannagyn | Apr 21 2022 1:28 utc | 226

Other journos in the field are always most obviously covered and protected by friendly military.
Posted by: K | Apr 21 2022 0:07 utc | 206
case in point: Odessa, April 9
Nedersdagblad fulminates, while SBU bots stalk Robert Dulmers; then arrange “extraction”
Unless his family organizes a Medvedchuk Plea, no one will ever know if Lira’s vlogging income covers life insurance.

Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 21 2022 1:28 utc | 227

For all of us long time MOA readers, the Guardian once again informs us of just how wrong we apparently all are
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/20/putin-ukraine-russia-humiliated-military-intelligence-war

Posted by: Lone Plateau | Apr 21 2022 1:47 utc | 228

all those are plausible but my bet for who has issues first would be whatever country in the region is up next on the “color revolution” list. belarus comes to mind. the blob had an epic coup fail shortly before this operation started (funny timing, that) and probably want to make an example of someone small to compensate for the ukraine sh_tshow. erdogan wasn’t the most helpful lapdog during all this either. RPGs and drones could make the maidan massacre look like a walk in the park.
otherwise they’ll probably end up in the usual armenia/morocco/libya caches and make their way to syria and iran. just guessing.

Posted by: the pair | Apr 21 2022 1:50 utc | 229

Other journos in the field are always most obviously covered and protected by friendly military.
Posted by: K | Apr 21 2022 0:07 utc | 206
oh you mean the embedded “journalists” who don’t practice journalism but just faithfully parrot the lies of their sponsors.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 21 2022 1:52 utc | 230

Most likely he dodged the danger and is in hiding…
Posted by: Greg Galloway | Apr 21 2022 0:37 utc | 214
Dodging danger, indeed: mortar and missile cross-fire
Here’s what I did last weekend, because I’m an Occam’s hatchet kinda … voyeur. I dialed Kharkiv.ua to get a feel for the “situation map” that no one has glanced at, least of all International Keyboard Warrior Lira, because KIEV MUST FALL! MARIUPOL MUST FALL! *ELENSK* MUST FALL!
By contrast, Kherson’s Meta Presence is on the DL and internat’l press reports from the “front line” fell right off the radar after the Beeb‘s PUTIN WAR launch party until Uncle Volody signaled the militia: The answer to the attempt of “ruble occupation” of the Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions. Then what happened?
19 April: Volodymyr Kuleshov shot dead in his car near his home in Kherson
38-year-old Ukrainian special services agent accused of pro-Russian views
20 April: Pro-Ukrainian threaten Kherson blogger Sergei Moroz
“the face of Russian Kherson”

Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 21 2022 2:01 utc | 231

Posted by: Petev | Apr 21 2022 1:21 utc | 221
Rich family might cough up I guess but no organization or Govt. He seems to have had several different lives already. Maybe he’ll pop up in a while with yet another one.
Strange story/situation no matter what.

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 21 2022 2:01 utc | 232

Ukraine in the EU is the best poisonous gift the USa can offer to undermine and destroy the EU!

Posted by: Virgile | Apr 21 2022 2:08 utc | 233

malenkov #161

Anglin’s point about the wisdom of believing the opposite of what the MSM reports certainly has the ring of truth, especially these days, but I don’t see what purpose is served by referring to 1,000 surrendering 404 troops as “gay satanic terrorists.”

Thank you, at first I was quizzical and then I read its opposite as a headline and got it. Straight christian soldiers…

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 2:10 utc | 234

Lex #173

And I can’t wait for American liberals to be horrified that neo-Nazi militias in the US are armed with weapons we sent to the brave, Ukrainian freedom fighters. I look forward to providing those history lessons to my compatriots.

I have this dread suspicion that the next January 6 event could be more dramatic and with a much smaller crowd, perhaps two people and a pickup, and some new toys to get inside the building.
The USA is insane handing all those weapons around like free cigarettes.
I guess they could get the CIA to pay some enterprising salesman to purchase them all on the black market like they did with Trumps little mate. The upside is that the New York chabad could hand out honors again and have another little ceremony.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 2:26 utc | 235

Posted by: K | Apr 21 2022 0:07 utc | 206
Your father is the father of lies.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 21 2022 2:35 utc | 236

malenkov #197

but I don’t see what purpose is served by referring to 1,000 surrendering 404 troops as “gay satanic terrorists.”
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 20 2022 22:11 utc | 161
Did you notice it was a clip from UNZ? [snip]
Posted by: K | Apr 20 2022 23:19 utc | 194
Yes, but I noticed too that the article title was reposted here with apparent approbation. Surely we’re better than that?

We are better than that because we can read material in context no what the hot button push is. See #233 above but if that is too far away, here it is:
“Thank you, at first I was quizzical and then I read its opposite as a headline and got it. Straight christian soldiers…”
The entire report was about MSM stories are BS and one should read the opposite to get the truth! Is that clearer?
I haven seen the UNZ story. My post was in answer to NO NEWS of Germany and that anti-spiegel.ru is worth a read by simply applying page translate.
Please don’t believe everything you read though.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 2:38 utc | 237

Posted by: Lone Plateau | Apr 21 2022 1:47 utc | 227
What tripe that article is. The only sources cited for any of her assertions are official Ukrainian government press releases, which she repeats as fact. Unbelievable.

Posted by: WJ | Apr 21 2022 2:39 utc | 238

news report: In making the decision to send billions of dollars of weapons and equipment into Ukraine, the Biden administration factored in the risk that some of the shipments may ultimately end up in unexpected places, a defense official said. But right now, the official said, the administration views a failure to adequately arm Ukraine as a greater risk.//
So governmental objectives are more important than individual lives. It’s this line of thinking that has contributed to US losses everywhere, yet they keep on with this ‘we are superior’ and so we must do this, but don’t mention my name because it doesn’t matter. It’s government policy. Just call me “an official.” As for citizens, sit down and shut up. We officials are in charge here.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21 2022 2:49 utc | 239

I just realised something that I should have long ago. The prisoner murder videos, I’d assumed, were not just Ukranazi psychopathy but intended to demoralise Russian forces (which of course they wouldn’t, anyone but a Ukranazi could have told that). But suddenly I had an epiphany after reading on Telegram how surrendering Ukrainian regulars were astonished at not being tortured or killed by Russia. The idea behind the prisoner murder videos was to make Russian soldiers retaliate in kind and so scare Ukrainian troops off surrendering. Which is a failing strategy.

Posted by: Biswapriya Purkayast | Apr 21 2022 2:55 utc | 240

Virgile #232

Ukraine in the EU is the best poisonous gift the USa can offer to undermine and destroy the EU!

Consider this, the USA sets out to stop cheap energy flow to EU then after Russia instigates the eradication of the natonazis the USA use sanctions to cripple EU.
Then as a result of the Russian eradication of the natonazis, they all decamp to EU and become unwholesome natonazi refugees within the EU. This places an outrageous burden on EU social programs and public resources at exactly the same time as inflation reaches escape velocity. Then Russia gets to redesign THE Ukraine, grow wheat, pipe gas at a current price because the contracts all died with the previous government and prevent the natonazis from returning to anything other than a war crimes tribunal and a prison.
Simultaneously Russia and China and friendlies are implementing an alternative global financial reckoning system that (mostly) excludes the $US. Plus the USA is busily trade warring and sanctioning China and provoking a Taiwan trigger for military confrontation. Further screwing all those EU industries that followed the USA along to China.
The EU is doomed, the Finns are about to freeze regardless of ‘summer’ approaching.
If I were a conspiracy theorist I could venture that both the USA hegemon + Russia are out to get EU through some perverse 5 dimensional chess maneuver.
I am not subscribing to that theory as I believe stupidity is the root of this debacle and Germany with EU seem to be at the core of it as any fool can see through the USA game.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 3:00 utc | 241

@Daniel White # 40

Blowback. It is likely to hit us, hard, from our piss-poor statecraft in Ukraine, and our high-tech weapons are only one of the ways it will.

It’s not “blowback” if it is part of the plan.

I worry most about Stingers on the loose. It wouldn’t take too many commercial jetliners shot down to put an end to jet passenger travel. I don’t know of the anti-IR-guided missile technologies in use, other than dumping flares, and how well/if they work, and if any reader can fill me in I’d be most appreciative. Certainly once one jet airliner is shot down by a Stinger, the airlines are going to have to use something to blind/deflect the Stingers, and you can’t go around dumping lots of flares over major metropolitan areas daily.

This was handled in Iraq by providing a safety corridor and having jets land by spiraling down within this corridor. However they would not be using any of these methods if the goal is to end air travel for the plebes, which is part of the major austerity/carbon reduction planned by the Empire as part of the “Green Agenda”.
CIA has been involved with NATO and Ukrainian radical factions to train the imported European and ME “volunteers”, which means they would have CIA assets identify the truly radical ones and isolate them in “special units”, most likely arranged by ethnicity or similar (i.e. a common animosity). These special units will be even more indoctrinated and radicalized and eventually will be “sent home” with some of these weapons under the control of clandestine CIA assets. This provides a cover story for how the CIA asset obtained the weapons and, in the same way the CIA controls other terror groups, being the supplier of the necessary materials, makes this CIA asset the “leader” of the terror cell which the CIA organized and trained in Ukraine. These weapons will then be in Europe and other countries, probably including the US, both to attack targets the Empire wants eliminated, and to “justify” a domestic “war on terror” to eliminate “White supremacists” – i.e. anyone opposing the Great Reset/Green Agenda/Mass Migration/etc. etc etc. We have seen the planning stages for this in the hyperbole around the Jan. 6 protests in Congress and the repurposing of the War on Terror away from Islamist extremists to White patriots/conservatives/Christians.
Since the Empire’s sanctions, combined with its “green” austerity agenda, will lead to great austerity among the middle class on down throughout the Empire, there will of course come conflict with the huge migrant population which the Empire also imported into Europe (both by driving them out of their homelands with war and destruction and then by opening all doors for them into Europe). The anti-tank missiles can be used for assassinations and other mayhem and the anti-aircraft missiles to shoot down commercial airliners, ending commercial air travel for the middle class on down, and also wreaking other havoc.
That is exactly the kind of Machievellian genius I expect of the Empire psychopaths who spend all their time planning how to obtain full spectral global hegemony and achieve the hereditary oligarchs’ dream of a much less populated planet over which they rule as gods (i.e., they have extreme high tech, most people live in the stone age or Middle Ages).
Watch to see this play out ….

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 21 2022 3:17 utc | 242

That prepper fellow I follow on Youtube has a video up today where he talks about Gonzalo Lira from a prepper viewpoint, i.e., “don’t throw stones when you live in a glass house.” He spends a lot of time on the fact that when you’re in a war zone controlled by the enemy, it’s not smart to not “be the Gray Man”.
Before anyone jumps on him, realize that he’s not “one of us”. He’s gotten somewhat informed on Ukraine, partly through my efforts, but he’s still far from understanding fully what’s going on. He even quotes Arestovich on why the Ukrainian government didn’t inform the people that an invasion was likely. But he does that from the perspective of “your government is not going to tell you when things are going to go bad”, which is true. Anyway, I doubt he knows anything about Arestovich’s background and position in Ukraine. As I say, he’s limited in what he knows. He’s coming from his own prepper perspective and nothing more.
Anyway, if anyone’s interested, not that you should be since he doesn’t know anything specific about Lira, here’s the link.
Bad Things Have Happened… PLEASE Dont Make this Mistake
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCcmttxhrwo
RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 21 2022 3:19 utc | 243

While I am at it on the gas point: If it is way cold such that you cannot get your gear off for an erotic encounter, you might just take your frustration out on the first ballot box with a slot (do pardon that vulgarity, back to the shiraz 😉

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 3:19 utc | 244

@AntiSpin # 97

It failed to show him attacking peaceful demonstrators with some metal object, then failed to show the group of demonstrators restraining him. We who live here got to see the whole thing before it was “trimmed to fit.”

Link the untrimmed version or you are a liar.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 21 2022 3:19 utc | 245

oh you mean the embedded “journalists” who don’t practice journalism but just faithfully parrot the lies of their sponsors.
Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 21 2022 1:52 utc | 229
This is the second time you’ve dissed a post I’ve made without even reading it. What ‘s up with that?
No I don’t mean “embedded” journobots I mean independent people in the field such as Patrick Lancaster. Why not just ask for clarification before rushing to judgment? This is a conversation not a duel.

Posted by: K | Apr 21 2022 3:20 utc | 246

It seems to me that all you’re doing is arguing, if unintentionally, that Lira is more of a journalist than just about anyone in Western media.
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 21 2022 1:26 utc | 224
Ha ha that’s a very good point you make.
Journalist is j a word that has lost a lot of meaning these days or maybe has too many meanings. My bad probably for even using it.
My definition of a good journalist is someone who is presenting facts as best as possible while trying to be as objective as possible. An Editorial journalist would be someone who is expressing an opinion about said facts and is transparent about it. Far easier said than done.
As far as comparisons go I would say that Gonzalo is better than all MSM parrots, It’s obvious that he is very intelligent and very well read. I think this means he is way too smart and seems to enjoy life too much to get caught and killed.

Posted by: K | Apr 21 2022 3:36 utc | 247

Re – Gonzalo Lira-
Ritter was using reports of Lira’s death to point out hypocrisy in reporting.
I don’t think any native English speaker could interpret his writing otherwise, but in any case he has clarified that he has no direct knowledge (via his Telegram channel).
Hopefully it does not turn out to have been true.

Posted by: Billb | Apr 21 2022 3:37 utc | 248

By the way, my personal opinion on Gonzalo Lira was that he was something of an “adventurer”. You know, those guys who go places and do things just to be going places and doing things.
I suspect a lot of the reason he stayed in Kharkov (other than that’s where his family is, which is obviously a big reason, although I don’t know why, if or how he could have gotten them out along with himself) is both thrill at being close to the action and the egoboo of being regarded as a “influencer” for analysts elsewhere. After all, “influence” was pretty much his profession. He wasn’t called “Coach Red Pill” for nothing; he had 300,000 Youtube subscribers.
Another “pickup artist” called John Anthony has also commented on his apparent death today in a video: @Coach Red Pill MURDERED By Ukrainian Azov Battalion | @Gonzalo Lira is Dead, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqoJtTEak9s running off of Scott Ritter’s report (whom they don’t know) and other Web sources.
One thing I did glean from Anthony’s report is that apparently there is a rumor going around that Lira’s death has been confirmed by the SBU. The source is unclear, however, could be BS. And anyway, who believes anything Ukraine says?
But as far as Lira’s profession and previous situation, there’s nothing wrong with any of that. Unless it gets you killed. I don’t know how well he was up in tradecraft but if you’re not, it’s not a smart idea as my prepper acquaintance said in the above video. Gonzalo struck me as more of an intellectual armchair type than a “man of action”, so he was taking more of a risk than he should have. As Canadian Prepper said, he either should have gotten out (again, if possible) and reported from elsewhere or kept quiet or used some means of securing his position (using a pseudonym, blocking his image on videos, using VPNs, etc.)
As far as being a “journalist”, his reports were mostly opinion pieces, although he did have enough connections inside Ukraine to be able to speak about the country and the society there and in some cases what was actually happening. In Karkhov he could report on the shelling and general living conditions, but that’s about it. Not worth risking his life over just to express his opinions.
I didn’t listen to a lot of his videos, because I already knew what he was talking about and I did not view him as a primary news source.
My guess is he is dead otherwise I expect he would have found some way to let people know he was alive and relatively safe even if there was no power or Internet in Kharkov (unless Russian ECM has shut everything down including cell phones, which is possible.) What I wonder is what happened to his family?

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 21 2022 3:46 utc | 249

Pepe Escobar’s latest comment on Lira…
“Still unconfirmed.
But everything points to Gonzalo Lira being kidnapped, tortured and killed by neo-Nazis trained, weaponized and enabled by Anglo-American warmongers.”
RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 21 2022 4:01 utc | 250

@ CLH hack 248
Some time ago Lira said his family had reached safe territory. In one of his recent videos he gave forth on his obsession with living on the cusp. May he survive his obsession.

Posted by: suzan | Apr 21 2022 4:01 utc | 251

“Some Of The Weapons Delivered To Ukraine Will Be Used Against Us”
Yup. And every bit of blowback ensures the self licking ice cream cone continues running

Posted by: Ander P | Apr 21 2022 4:03 utc | 252

As someone from the Global South I have absolutely no problem with the pet Nazis bombing and shooting down planes in the west with their free toys. I have absolutely no intention to ever step foot into the soils if the barbarians in the west, and their occupied colonies in Asia.

Posted by: Surferket | Apr 21 2022 4:05 utc | 253

Posted by: watcher | Apr 20 2022 23:35 utc | 199

Whitlam removed by the CIA, probably Rudd and conceivably even Holt, Evatt and even Latham (he is nuts but still laugh at his congo line of suckers).

Latham? Surely you mean the immortal Keating!

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Apr 21 2022 4:05 utc | 254

Posted by: suzan | Apr 21 2022 4:01 utc | 250
Good to hear about his family. “Living on the cusp” – that’s it exactly.

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 21 2022 4:06 utc | 255

Russian troops are now on their way to Zaporizhzhia. This, to me (and other mil geeks), is one of the most significant events of the conflict: Zaporizhzhia is the home of the massive Motor Sich plant. Motor Sich is one of the largest engine manufacturers of aircraft and helicopters worldwide – and the only one in Ukraine. It was stolen from the Ukraine people when the asset strippers showed up in the post-Soviet looting days. Russia depended heavily on Motor Sich for engines and has struggled until now (but successfully) developing its own domestic turbine industry.
Recall the drama in 2017 when a Chinese company started buying up shares to take ownership of Motor Sich, inject capital and manufacture components in China. Ukraine prevented the sale for years, citing national security issues. They nationalized Motor Sich in 2021 and made arrangements to buy back the Chinese shares. Now the subject of a $3.5 billion lawsuit by the Chinese firm.
Erik Prince of Blackwater had some scheme to buy up Motor Sich and Antonov and create a giant vertically-integrated aircraft and arms manufacturer. That disappeared with Trump, I guess.
Now, Ukraine has made arrangements for selling a 50% stake to Turkish Aerospace Industries, makers of the Bayraktar TB2 and Bayraktar Akinci drones, as well as the TAI T929 ATAK 2 helicopter. Motor Sich needs the capital to survive because it’s so poorly managed and each division has its own corrupt leader that must be bribed. It’s like a giant organized crime-controlled company, and a cash cow. They haven’t put a dime back into it though, so they had to put out the begging bowl again and Turkey jumped.
See where Russian security interests might be a bit threatened? The U.S., on the other hand, is salivating at the thought of a NATO member owning Motor Sich. Who better than Turkey to stick it to the Russians? Unfortunately, Russia’s bold move sort of threw a monkey wrench into their plans. Turkey will have to look elsewhere for turbines pretty soon and they won’t be happy about that. NATO and Ukraine Nazis, on the other hand, will defend Motor Sich from Russian control at any cost.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 21 2022 4:07 utc | 256

Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 23:21 utc | 195

By and large that was my take on it but you really fleshed it out. Was surprised by the negative reaction from some here.

As an Australian, I don’t think you deserved that attack from one of our compatriots, merely for expressing some admiration for us.

Posted by: Herr Ringbone | Apr 21 2022 4:10 utc | 257

Lone Plateau @ 227
The Guardian is one of the pre-eminent garbage propaganda rags the MSM has vomited up. I take great pleasure in checking them out from time to time and NEVER paying them a cent. Do my little bit. Go broke scumbags and take the rathole BBC with you. You buy Trump votes every time your dirty little fingers touch the keyboard.

Posted by: hoggy | Apr 21 2022 4:13 utc | 258

@ PavewayIV | Apr 21 2022 4:07 utc | 255 with the little bit of Ukraine economic geography in relation to the current Russian military activity
Thanks for your contributions to the bar.

Posted by: psychohistorian | Apr 21 2022 4:15 utc | 259

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 20:52 utc | 120
Thank you Karl, I realy appreciate your comments here, even if this one did not get through.

Posted by: TomD | Apr 21 2022 4:18 utc | 260

b: How long will it take until a Switchblade suicide drone will drop on a police car in Poland?
Few years ago police in south-west Poland got info on s planned robbery on an ATM, and decided to catch the miscreants in the act. Unfortunately, the latter brought to the job, besides metal cutting tools, a few automatic weapons, and police realized, belatedly, that their shields do not stop bullets from military grade weapons.
Even American police can be overpowered with the lightest of the weapons mentioned in this article. In Poland, the consequences can be dire. Members of the government go around in armored BMWs that are so heavy that require special tires that have to be replaced frequently. What all those gentlemen and ladies do with anti-armor weapons in the circulation? BMW’s with reactive armor will not look fashionable… while portable weapons can make short work of reactive armor.
But with the officials grounded and working in bunkers, road safety should impove.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 21 2022 4:35 utc | 261

The Germans and the Dutch will be finding out nest year just how effective those Javelins are when aimed at an LNG tanker just as it’s unloading at port, courtesy of those Azov “freedom fighters.”

Posted by: atanoi | Apr 21 2022 4:35 utc | 262

Bubbles @ 195:
I was amused to see the reactions that your comment @ 70 elicited. Heartening to see Watcher’s explanation of the history behind “Waltzing Matilda” @ 190 as well.
I must admit (being Australian myself) that I have never seen “Crocodile Dundee” either on the big screen or the small screen but I always had a feeling, having seen The Paul Hogan Show (the old TV comedy series broadcast in Australia in the early 1970s), that the movie and the character Mick Dundee itself were parodies. Paul Hogan often played characters based on stereotypes popular among Australians in the 1960s and 1970s. I suppose Hogan’s parodies of these stereotypes can be seen as homophobic, racist and/or sexist but sometimes with these parodies, there is often a sense that the joke is on the people who believe in the stereotypes or who fail to see the satire behind them.
I have to say that over the last 40 years Australia has changed so much that I would say, at least in the cities (and Australia is at least 80% urbanised) the vast majority of working class and even middle class people are migrants or children of migrants and very few of them identify with the popular culture and its stereotypes that Hogan and his generation of comedians and actors projected. Hogan himself probably recognises this – I believe he has acknowledged that his characters belong to a past generation and he would not re-enact them – but our mainstream media including news media still live in the past and they are the ones still carrying on as though society has not changed at all over the past half-century.

Posted by: Jen | Apr 21 2022 4:43 utc | 263

PavewayIV @ 255
See where Russian security interests might be a bit threatened? The U.S., on the other hand, is salivating at the thought of a NATO member owning Motor Sich.
If that is the case, it will be demolished like the steel plant at Mariupol. If they cannot own it no one will. Will the nationalist battalions entrench themselves inside the plant? Are they suicidal? Are they disciplined enough to die for the Empire? I can see getting trapped in Mariupol but they can retreat west from this plant.
Apparently there is a very large nuke plant located there as well, the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. What an opportunity for the crazies. What an opportunity for a mistake or a false flag. Russia strikes nuke plant and poisons itself. A NEOCON dream come true. Are we that far gone? I am not sure.
I do not recall a war of this type alongside so many nuke plants in the history of the earth.

Posted by: circumspect | Apr 21 2022 4:46 utc | 264

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 3:19 utc | 243
Your post is so disturbing that I will personally ban your posts, say, for one hour. Ballot boxes as sex toys… Children may read about it here, what about the children?

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Apr 21 2022 4:47 utc | 265

So Yellen, Powell, Freeland (Azov Christia) and Lagarde walked out of a G20 finance bigwig’s meeting because the Russian Deputy Finance Minister was there. Don’t these nobodies know they look like little more than bitchy little girls on a playground and the World sees it. I’ll bet a buck fifty they puffed their way out telling themselves, “That’ll teach those Russkies.” Hey, Honeybunches, you ain’t that smart!! You’re already deep into the process of driving your own economies into the toilet. On sub-standard freak-shows such as these characters rests the survival of the species. What possible hope have we??

Posted by: hoggy | Apr 21 2022 4:55 utc | 266

re: circumspect | Apr 21 2022 4:46 utc | 263
you write “Apparently there is a very large nuke plant located there as well, the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. What an opportunity for the crazies. What an opportunity for a mistake or a false flag. Russia strikes nuke plant and poisons itself. A NEOCON dream come true.
Yes, the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant is the largest in Europe, with 6 nuclear reactors. Your point about war alongside nuclear power plants is important; it is one of the issues that promoters of nuclear power do not like to discuss, because the destruction of such a plant does not make “safe and clean” radioactive fallout.
Russia knows all about the effects of a destroyed nuclear power plant (remember Chernobyl?), which is why destroying Zaporizhzhia is about the last thing they want to happen. We have already seen previous false news reports (earlier in the conflict) from, of course, Ukrainian sources claiming that Russia was “shelling” the Zaporizhzhia plant. Anyone who knows what Russian heavy artillery can do would have immediately understood that this was false news, but so many in the West are absolutely clueless about such matters.
I do have some apprehension that the Ukrainian nationalists may attempt some horrendous sabotage at Zaporizhzhia, which they would blame on Russia. I expect Russia has anticipated such an event and will take steps to preclude this.

Posted by: Perimetr | Apr 21 2022 5:05 utc | 267

Posted by: K | Apr 21 2022 3:20 utc | 245
you’re the one who mentioned journalists being protected by friendly armies. was Mate so protected in Syria? or Vanessa Beeley? how about the journalists who reported on death squads in El Salvador? or Assange? most of the ones being protected by friendly armies are embedded with the military they are reporting on. if you want to actually report on current events you have to separate yourself from that army, and that means foregoing protection.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 21 2022 5:22 utc | 268

@ NemesisCalling | Apr 20 2022 19:44 utc | 86
i hear what you are saying… speaking with these terms – left and right, nationalist and etc. etc. – has the potential to lead to a lot of ambiguity and confusion!! the poster who made that comment back @ 5 ? is a sort of semi regular poster.. there intention may have been honest.. it is a confusing topic to discuss over the internet… many other firm details on this war are much easier to discuss… cheers –
@ PavewayIV | Apr 21 2022 4:07 utc | 255
fascinating.. thanks.. i echo the concern in the last sentence from @ circumspect | Apr 21 2022 4:46 utc | 263

Posted by: james | Apr 21 2022 5:23 utc | 269

“It seems like everywhere but Ukraine, this ideology is something Putin encourages.”
Posted by: Inkan1969 | Apr 20 2022 17:00 utc | 5
Every country has extreme reactionaries. But Putin isnt an ethnonationalist. He is a moderate bourgeois nationalist conservative and basically a neoliberal. He hates extreme reactionaries, from Nazis to Jihadis–and he wages war on them. Putin often celebrates the linguisitic and ethnic diversity within the Russian Federation, but nobody should mistake his cultural conservatism for fascism. They are not remotely synonymous. The United States corporate and militaristic jingoism and historical race apartheid social system has MUCH more in common with Nazism.

Posted by: Zan | Apr 21 2022 5:32 utc | 270

The United States corporate and militaristic jingoism and historical race apartheid social system has MUCH more in common with Nazism.

It’s pretty funny that Nazism is the gold standard of evil. Even assuming the Nazis executed 6 million Jews – which is a total lie – the atrocities committed by the British put the Germans to shame (at least if they were competing for the prize of most atrocious). The difference is that the British maintained their elevated level of evil for centuries, continuing them to this day, and mass murdered and enslaved people for no reason other than that they could. The German persecution of Jews, on the other hand, was based on the Jews constantly undermining the German social and cultural social fabric, culminating in their rabid pursuit of global Communism, and basically being an incorrigible cancer on German society for centuries (yes of course there were exceptions, but again the point is that the people the British persecuted did NOTHING to them and posed no danger WHATSOEVER to them).
It’s time to shine the spotlight on the Empire, and its centuries of absolute horrors, rather than keep playing the Nazi card for eternity. Nazis are dead and gone, while the Empire, in all its savagery and brutality, lives on.

Posted by: CalDre | Apr 21 2022 6:07 utc | 271

it is not believable that US MIC loses track of weapons it ships to Ukraine–It is not beyond possibility that US/CIA is covertly channeling these munitions to US mercenary assets in Ukraine.
see this June 2019 Time magazine comprehensive article:
https://time.com/6076035/erik-prince-ukraine-private-army/

Posted by: deltasquared | Apr 21 2022 6:13 utc | 272

It’s even better. Ukraine was already a major source of small arms for the black-market. A deeply corrupted state with nothing similar in Europe, they already had international gangs operating there. One such a bikie gang which controls the arms market in Oz has chapters there and here, and I am somewhat in contact through a very old mate. So we’ve got some goodies coming in which are very rarely seen down under. Thanks Uncle Sam. The Aussie government will be delighted to learn about them.

Posted by: Rabbitnexus | Apr 21 2022 6:15 utc | 273

Si Gonzalo Lira fue asesinado por los ucronazis, ciertamente no será el payaso tibio amarillo Boric quien tratará de hacer justicia. Tanto él como el traidor argentino Fernández ya están arrodillados a la narrativa occidental anti rusa. No cabe un pusilánime y/o traidor más en Latinoamérica a día de hoy

Posted by: Mariátegui | Apr 21 2022 6:21 utc | 274

Sorry for being so off topic. Hope it is a little interesting.
Posted by: wwatcher | Apr 20 2022 23:09 utc | 190
By and large that was my take on it but you really fleshed it out. Was surprised by the negative reaction from some here.
Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 23:21 utc | 195
I’m most grateful for all the fleshing out. Terrific, vivid detail about the murder by the billabong! I didn’t mean to sound negative, even about the film “On the Beach” — an appropriate meditation, perhaps, for those of us considering fleeing to the southern hemisphere. It has a fairly legendary cast, to accompany the most dull-witted music direction in the history of cinema.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 21 2022 6:25 utc | 275

Jen | Apr 21 2022 4:43 utc | 262
I have watched a few bits and pieces before shutting it off. If he was ripping off a stereotype it might have been interesting. He is more the stereotype American in his later stuff. Making crap for hollywood.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 6:26 utc | 276

Anyone interested in Gonzo Lira status may wish to check this out (twitter) and judge for yourselves.
I saw the link posted at UNZ.
Hopefullly it is legitimate and not a cynical scam.
The time stamps suggest very recent.
And content suggests he is now out of Ukraine.
https://twitter.com/lira01real
“realGonzaloLira01
@Lira01Real
·
3h
I made it out of Ukraine at great personal risk, to say nothing of the funds and logistics it took to get the hell out of there. I made this account because the others are compromised. I wanted to let people who are worrying about me, supporters if you will to know I’m safe”
Source: UNZ
Abbybwood says:
April 21, 2022 at 3:31 am GMT • 2.5 hours ago ↑
https://www.unz.com/aanglin/is-coach-red-pill-dead/

Posted by: imo | Apr 21 2022 6:33 utc | 277

a bit of history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztCONk8EOfE Tom Cruise. (Not the american jerk)

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 6:33 utc | 278

@276″– Obviously that should read “Anyone interested in Gonzalo Lira…”

Posted by: imo | Apr 21 2022 6:38 utc | 279

Hopefullly it is legitimate and not a cynical scam.
Posted by: imo | Apr 21 2022 6:33 utc | 276
A new Gonzalo Lira Twitter account is almost certainly a cynical scam. I know nothing of Twitter from experience, but I understand from Scott Ritter’s tale of a sham account that it’s totally against the rules (supposedly — unless you’re pretending to be Scott Ritter). If they catch you messing with multiple accounts, they’ll permanently ban you.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 21 2022 6:43 utc | 280

Posted by: imo | Apr 21 2022 6:33 utc | 276
Let’s hope. I just sent him a tweet telling him to contact The Duran guys and verify that it is him, otherwise we can’t know it’s him. It sounds like him – his writing style – but we don’t know yet.
RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 21 2022 6:45 utc | 281

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 21 2022 6:43 utc | 279
Heh, well, I’m using a new account which Twitter hasn’t figured out yet that I’m me, despite being banned. At this junction we simply do not know.

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 21 2022 6:47 utc | 282

Posted by: Rabbitnexus | Apr 21 2022 6:15 utc | 272
A bit off topic:
it is amazing to me how much corporate rorting, political rorting and underworld crime rorting goes on in a country of only 25 million people. The size of one city elsewhere in the world. It seems that it’s only the taxable workers here who are not on the take.
I reckon there must be billions of cash laundered here to make it possible for such a scale of public and private robbery. Apparently that is the main and untouchable business of the Big Four banks.

Posted by: K | Apr 21 2022 6:54 utc | 283

Piotr Berman #264

Your post is so disturbing that I will personally ban your posts, say, for one hour. Ballot boxes as sex toys… Children may read about it here, what about the children?

The hour is up, I’m back. I was discussing safe sex and stuffing ballot boxes with my rabbi. On the first point he just said Portnoy can show the way without complaint.
On the second point he said he was sure that Hillary Clinton was a connoisseur. Then he suggested we should consider Joe Biden but I pointed out the religious prohibition on stuffing cash rather than ballot boxes and he though we should leave it to Hillary as the prime exemplar.
The children here will not get the carefully concealed subtlety of my allusion and anyway I will distract them with an o/t discussion on global warming, Co2, and ice ages.
I gather I am chastened by your punishment and the above meditation on righteous practice. I will do my best to remain focused on the topic at hand never believe everything I read ;))

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 7:10 utc | 284

CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 20 2022 20:03 utc | 101
Ukraine has received new warplanes, source unnamed – Pentagon | JPost – AFP/France24 |
https://www.jpost.com/international/article-704706
“They [Ukraine] have received additional aircraft and aircraft parts to help them get more aircraft in the air,” Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby.
Transcript has been updated to leave out part about platforms meaning aircraft …
Pentagon Press Secretary John F. Kirby Holds a Press Briefing – April 19, 2022 |
A few hours later came a denial by Ukrainian Air Force.
C-span offers the video of “misspoken” part by John Kirby …
https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5011440/pentagon-ukraine-received-additional-aircrafts

Posted by: Oui | Apr 21 2022 7:12 utc | 285

CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 21 2022 6:45 utc | 280
Hopefully uncle tungsten was right when he said Lira was like a will o’ the wisp.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 7:13 utc | 286

@CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 21 2022 6:45 utc | 280
Indeed, I have also posted there as well.
They shoud be able to help verify in due course.
However, I suspect the time zone is sleeping time for them.
A close up of an image of a blue object in a cabinet from the twitter account seems to read as “Belarus” — at least to my failing eyes.

Posted by: imo | Apr 21 2022 7:14 utc | 287

118 – “Old left” comes in various varieties, the demoralisation of much of the left as the Soviet bloc wound down should not be under-estimated, and I think there has also been a process of corruption. As far as I recall, nobody on the left thought the Nicaraguan Contras were revolutionaries, but later equivalents definitely have their “left” supporters. I recall some Trotskyists and semi-Trotskyists think Maidan was the insurgent proletariat in action, rather than the mix of Nazis and Western NGO hirelings it really was.

Posted by: Waldorf | Apr 21 2022 7:34 utc | 288

BTW, Gonzalo Lira is a full-blown fascist Pinochetist.
Posted by: Robert Lindsay | Apr 21 2022 7:15 utc | 290
Gonzo has a personal style which rubs me the wrong way, so I haven’t been a fan. Still and all, it seems in poor taste to speak ill of the dead when there still remains a chance they’re alive and subject to Azov torture. (My tax dollars at work!)
We don’t want to pose as celebrating with Daily Beast assassins, do we?

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 21 2022 7:35 utc | 289

circumspect #263

Apparently there is a very large nuke plant located there as well, the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant. What an opportunity for the crazies. What an opportunity for a mistake or a false flag. Russia strikes nuke plant and poisons itself. A NEOCON dream come true. Are we that far gone? I am not sure.

Thank you for that post and I checked in with Ventusky.com for a view of the weather.
For the next few days the wind is forecast from the south. Blowing from the nuclear generators toward Kiev then into Belarus and turning west across Poland then Germany and finally south through France.
Russia is out of that loop.
The geopolitical ramifications of this stage of the battle are severe but the Ukies and their Azov friends can do no wrong as far as Poland, Germany and France are concerned, no?

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 7:37 utc | 290

Posted by: Robert Lindsay | Apr 21 2022 7:13 utc | 287
horseshit.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 21 2022 7:39 utc | 291

uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 7:37 utc | 293
I thought Russia took control of that plant early on.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 7:41 utc | 292

If he’s not a journalist, then what is he? BTW, Gonzalo Lira is a full-blown fascist Pinochetist.
Posted by: Robert Lindsay | Apr 21 2022 7:15 utc | 290
in that case, a good three quarters of the world population is. in fact the majority of those that are not part of the us west.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 7:44 utc | 293

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 20 2022 23:04 utc | 188
Maybe you shouldn’t be such a naive idiot on this blog.
RHS gives a good wrap-up.
Here is a Twitter thread that sums up where Gonzalo Lira ideologically is coming from.
Small Disclaimer: He thinks Pinochet is the greatest president Chile has ever had.

Posted by: vato | Apr 21 2022 7:45 utc | 294

I thought your link was to a thread by Lira. I’m not sure why you post vacant crap like that and project onto me what you are.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 21 2022 7:50 utc | 295

f he’s not a journalist, then what is he? BTW, Gonzalo Lira is a full-blown fascist Pinochetist.
Posted by: Robert Lindsay | Apr 21 2022 7:15 utc | 290
Who is he? No idea.
re being a fascist: sources?

Posted by: K | Apr 21 2022 7:50 utc | 296

Peter AU1 #295

I thought Russia took control of that plant early on.

I thought so too but I assumed the post was valid and was referencing another locale. + busy as a mud wasp right now so back and forth with little research time. More dedicated in an hour.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 21 2022 7:55 utc | 297

I don’t like that “troll” word — as it can dehumanize dissent. But when a tag-team shows up in this bar, stinking up the place with the implication we should all be happy he’s dead, well even I have to shake my head. WTF?

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 21 2022 7:55 utc | 298

Update. Mariupol is “officially liberated”. (their bold)
“RUSSIAN DEFENSE MINISTER: 1,478 UKRAINIAN SOLDIERS AT AZOVSTAL STEEL PLANT SURRENDERED”
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PavewayIV about Motor Sich. It could be where the “spare parts for aircraft” referred to by Biden (et al) could have gone to.

Posted by: Stonebird | Apr 21 2022 8:03 utc | 299

For what it’s worth, Intel Slava Z recently posted the following:
“Putin ordered to cancel the assault on Azovstal in order to save the lives of Russian military personnel, as well as completely block the enterprise.
“There is no need to climb into the catacombs, it is necessary to block the industrial zone in Azovstal so that the fly does not fly””
And a follow on post/reply…
“Azov will either surrender or starve to death”

Posted by: imo | Apr 21 2022 8:04 utc | 300