Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
April 20, 2022
Some Of The Weapons Delivered To Ukraine Will Be Used Against Us

The U.S. and its proxies in Europe are moving an enormous amount of weapons into Ukraine. But no one has an idea where those weapons will end up. It is likely that many of those will proliferate outside of the Ukraine and some of those weapons will inevitably hit those who now deliver them.

In a review of the U.S. war on Syria Aaron Maté details how the Obama/Biden team empowered terrorist networks in Syria:

Based on declassified documents, news reports, and scattered admissions of U.S. officials, this overlooked history of how the Obama-Biden team's effort to oust the Assad regime – in concert with allies including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey – details the series of discrete decisions that ultimately led the U.S. to empower terror networks bent on its destruction.

The U.S. pushed an enormous amount of weapons into Syria. Those weapons did not end up with the 'moderate rebels' the U.S. propaganda had elevated but in the hands the most ideological committed and most brutal actors on the ground:

Although the Obama administration claimed that the weapons funneled to Syria were intended for "moderate rebels," they ultimately ended up in the hands of a jihadi-dominated insurgency. Just one month after the Benghazi attack, the New York Times reported that "hard-line Islamic jihadists," including groups "with ties or affiliations with Al Qaeda," have received "the lion’s share of the arms shipped to the Syrian opposition.

In a repeat of that 'strategy' the U.S. is currently pushing an enormous amount of weapons as well as mercenaries into Ukraine. The bigger stuff it delivers is not of much concern. But the huge amount of small arms and small ammunition, the anti-tank weapons and the handheld anti-air systems are of serious, long term danger. These fit into a car trunk and can easily be smuggled across boarders.

As I explained previously the rightwing ideology that is nurtured in Ukraine will become a danger primarily to European countries but also beyond:

Whitney Webb writes that the CIA is creating a new al-Qaeda. This time as a white supremacist rightwing militia. A part of these are mercenaries currently getting recruited by western 'security' companies. These militia will use all the 'small' weapons NATO countries are now delivering to the Ukraine to attack Russian troops and their supporters.

This will have serious backlashes in Poland and Romania from where these troops get deployed. In the longer run it will lead to rightwing terror coming back to those countries who are now supporting these forces. It will also help the longterm trend of rightwing parties increasing their share of votes.

Together with the economic devastation that U.S. and European sanctions on Russia are causing in their own economies this will end in regime-changes in several European countries. The U.S. is of course again protecting itself from as much as it can at the cost of others.

If there is a lesson to learn from Syria it is that the most ideological committed and most brutal people on the ground will not only proliferate their ideology into other countries. They are also the groups which inevitably end up holding the most dangerous weapons. They will give some to those groups in other countries which have the same ideology.

The fascist groups in Ukraine are not a Russian propaganda invention or just 'nationalist'. Back in 2018 even the NATO lobbyists at the Atlantic Council called them a dangerous threat:

Last week Hromadske Radio revealed that Ukraine’s Ministry of Youth and Sports is funding the neo-Nazi group C14 to promote “national patriotic education projects” in the country. On June 8, the Ministry announced that it will award C14 a little less than $17,000 for a children’s camp. It also awarded funds to Holosiyiv Hideout and Educational Assembly, both of which have links to the far-right. The revelation represents a dangerous example of law enforcement tacitly accepting or even encouraging the increasing lawlessness of far-right groups willing to use violence against those they don’t like.

Since the beginning of 2018, C14 and other far-right groups such as the Azov-affiliated National Militia, Right Sector, Karpatska Sich, and others have attacked Roma groups several times, as well as anti-fascist demonstrations, city council meetings, an event hosted by Amnesty International, art exhibitions, LGBT events, and environmental activists. On March 8, violent groups launched attacks against International Women’s Day marchers in cities across Ukraine. In only a few of these cases did police do anything to prevent the attacks, and in some they even arrested peaceful demonstrators rather than the actual perpetrators.

International human rights groups have sounded the alarm. After the March 8 attacks, Amnesty International warned that “Ukraine is sinking into a chaos of uncontrolled violence posed by radical groups and their total impunity. Practically no one in the country can feel safe under these conditions.” Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, and Front Line Defenders warned in a letter that radical groups acting under “a veneer of patriotism” and “traditional values” were allowed to operate under an “atmosphere of near total impunity that cannot but embolden these groups to commit more attacks.”

Over the last eight years those groups in Ukraine have had lots of contacts with similar groups in other countries. They have invited foreigners to fight with them on the frontline with the Donbas republics. These are potential buyers for the weapons that are now being delivered to the Ukraine.

The U.S. has no idea who ends up with the ten thousands of weapons it is now providing:

The US has few ways to track the substantial supply of anti-tank, anti-aircraft and other weaponry it has sent across the border into Ukraine, sources tell CNN, a blind spot that's due in large part to the lack of US boots on the ground in the country — and the easy portability of many of the smaller systems now pouring across the border. It's a conscious risk the Biden administration is willing to take.

In the short term, the US sees the transfer of hundreds of millions of dollars' worth of equipment to be vital to the Ukrainians' ability to hold off Moscow's invasion. A senior defense official said Tuesday that it is "certainly the largest recent supply to a partner country in a conflict." But the risk, both current US officials and defense analysts say, is that in the long term, some of those weapons may wind up in the hands of other militaries and militias that the US did not intend to arm.

Transparency International ranks Ukraine as number 122 out of 180 countries. The lower the rank on that list the worse the corruption. Whoever officially gets handed the weapons in Ukraine will likely put a part of the stash aside to later sell it to whomever may be interested in them. That will be easy to do:

"I couldn't tell you where they are in Ukraine and whether the Ukrainians are using them at this point," a senior defense official told reporters last week. "They're not telling us every round of ammunition they're firing and who and at when. We may never know exactly to what degree they've using the Switchblades."

The Defense Department doesn't earmark the weapons it sends for particular units, according to Pentagon press secretary John Kirby.

Trucks loaded with pallets of arms provided by the Defense Department are picked up by Ukrainian armed forces — primarily in Poland — and then driven into Ukraine, Kirby said, "then it's up to the Ukrainians to determine where they go and how they're allocated inside their country."

One can not trust Ukrainian officials who claim that these weapons will only be used for good purposes:

Privately, officials recognize that Ukraine has an incentive to give only information that will bolster their case for more aid, more arms and more diplomatic assistance.

"It's a war — everything they do and say publicly is designed to help them win the war. Every public statement is an information operation, every interview, every Zelensky appearance broadcast is an information operation," said another source familiar with western intelligence.

Zelensky constantly demands more weapons and no one has an idea where they end up. How many will he himself set aside to later sell and who will buy those?

The experience from the war on Syria tells us that the weapons that 'fell off a truck' in Ukraine will eventually end up with the most ideological committed and most brutal people. In the Ukraine those are the fascists. Some international criminals gangs who want to eliminate rivals might also be interested.

How long will it take until a Switchblade suicide drone will drop on a police car in Poland? How long until an anti-tank weapon will be used in a gang fight in Paris? How long until a Stinger anti-air missile will down civil airplane in Rome?

One, three or five years?

It is a danger we will now all be living with.

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From https://t.me/milinfolive Telegram channel… Clearly from the Ukrainian side this is an attempt to simply loot the West… 🙂 The post includes images of the documents.

Ukraine has made a decision and is now asking the EU for specific military assistance – $100 billion. With the number and indication of models.
The list of priorities for equipment and ammunition can be seen in documents leaked to XakNet by the country’s Foreign Ministry dated March 11.
Among the required are both Soviet and Western: 51 MiG-29 fighters, 36 Su-25s, 24 fighters from the USA – F-16s and Swedish JAS-39s. They asked to search the world for 72 Su-27s – in total, more than 200 aircraft come out. And another 363 anti-aircraft guns – from S-300 to Patriot.
Of the artillery, they asked for 195 Grads and 435k missiles, millions of shells and mines of the Soviet standard. More RZSO from the USA and self-propelled guns from England. They also ask for 200 Bradley infantry fighting vehicles. And 400 tanks – 200 T-72s and Leopards each.
They also want tactical missiles – 400 Soviet “Point-U”. From foreign: 228 American ATACMS and 64 Israeli Lora. Their range is 270 and 400 km.

RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 20 2022 20:03 utc | 101

they’ll beat their swords into switchblades!
the US is already a heavily-armed narco-terrorist state. all this weapons trade will be another reason to increase the security state. and the methods used against Ukraine will be employed against the domestic populace.
how is it that people cannot connect US operations in Afghanistan and Iraq et al, and the utterly insane idea that these pennywise clowns have a clue what they are doing, that there is some plan, other than enrichment through destruction of capitalist rivals? there is a method to the madness, for sure, but madness it is. arson is the plan, as someone (here at MoA, I believe) so succinctly and aptly phrased it.
from Iain Boyd at Counterpunch today:
“It is the destabilizing influence that modern hypersonic missiles represent that is perhaps the greatest risk they pose. I believe the U.S. and its allies should rapidly field their own hypersonic weapons to bring other nations such as Russia and China to the negotiating table to develop a diplomatic approach to managing these weapons.”
funny how much of a heart-felt cry for further militarization of global society is trumpeted by “leftists” these days. I’m pretty sure that hypersonics have been developed because the greatest arms dealer and threat to world peace comes to the negotiation table for one reason: to piss all over it.
and nothing but good can come from ending air travel.

Posted by: rjb1.5 | Apr 20 2022 20:07 utc | 102

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 18:11 utc | 43
“Truman said he erred greatly in signing the National Security Act that allowed the CIA’s formation, but he didn’t purge it while he remined POTUS. Eisenhower is just as guilty of allowing the MIC to rise during his administration and should have killed it while he still had the power to do so instead of delivering his speech of lamentation. Few are willing to admit the fact that Neocon is the same as Nazi while Neoliberal is the same as Fascist.

You might find this one of interest:
https://www.amazon.com/Gestapo-Chief-Interrogation-Heinrich-Chronicals-ebook/dp/B00SGHJ4JW/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=
The interviews were made shortly after WWII. I read a version in the early 2000’s via the TBR website I think. I suspect any Kindle version has been seriously edited. You can get the earlier versions online if you know where to look (Z library, Genesis etc.). The interviews are a really good read (even if they are fiction, which I don’t think but which cannot be ruled out – no way of knowing ultimately).
According to ‘Gestapo’ Mueller, one of whose special interests as a spy chief was Russia, the US was already infested with ‘communist’ agents long before the war started. Hiss is famous but also FDR’s chief assistants and many others. Now for ‘communist’ you can also read ‘Jewish Bolshevik’ and just drop the last word at some point and then go back from there to banksters and all the usual suspects who funded the 1917 revolution starting in Brooklyn and so on ad infinitum. But the point is that the CIA was just the latest manifestation of networks that had been building steadily for generations.
Wherever there are populations there are power networks and wherever you have the latter you have those which are public and those which are hidden. That stuff is as old as the sun and the moon so ultimately no big deal.
But when our lives and cultures are at stake, it behooves us to wake up a little more than usual and find ways to thwart these evil bastards, expose them to sunlight, and see if we can’t do a better job and build a better world for our children.

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 20 2022 20:09 utc | 103

RSH @ 101
Reads like a letter to Santa. Maybe Russia could lease them all that kit?
In any case, where will those aircrafts be based?

Posted by: robin | Apr 20 2022 20:12 utc | 104

TomD @100–
I was just preparing to comment on Putin’s meeting on the development of the metallurgical complex where he issued instructions to open a new front in the Hybrid War:
“I would like to emphasise that these measures run counter to the principles of the World Trade Organisation, which our European colleagues have constantly kept repeating their commitment to.
“In this regard, I instruct the Government to conduct a comprehensive assessment of the legality of the decisions of Western counterparties, as well as to prepare an updated strategy for our actions in the World Trade Organisation. I ask you to complete this work by June 1 of this year.”
Since a discussion on this is off topic, I’ll copy/paste the meeting’s transcript to the week in review thread for discussion there. One point I will make here is Putin’s continuing focus at further developing Russia’s internal market as being the primary economic engine, a similar focus that China has recently adopted as I cited in an article posted to the week in review thread earlier today. And for those curious, that political-economic policy is the one that was advocated by the American School of Political-Economy as articulated by Simon Patten and his Economics of Abundance 120 years ago.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 20:15 utc | 105

Thank you, b:
The AngloMurican Zionist-Masonic MIC+CIA have been PlunderProfiteering the US Military and their Conquered/Influenced Lands for Decades.
When I was growing up, the Merc Business was publicized to be a Smaller, more SpecOps/SOF Company-Scaled Ops.
Officer Wives/Friends’ Mothers used to Dog me as a Midshipman about my Annapolis Tenure as a Prerequisite to becoming a “Beltway Bandit” after my Active Duty Navy Career.
The PNAC7 AFG/IRQ Occupations drastically changed that. The MIC-Mercs started taking over Support Staff, Operations Staff, then onto Occupational Forces Operations.
We’ve seen the FUBAR’D Ops Blackwater-Academie Pulled Off in IRQ. Strangely, we see Blackwater-Academie reported to be milling about the Donbas LOC claiming to be setting up a Regional Ops Ctr in UKR (to do so near the LOC was so Fracking Stupid – as if Russian Mercs/SpecOps were similar to 3rdWorld Armies…).
UKR have been turned into a Fantasy Dream Come True MIC-Merc-Militia Staging Sanctuary of sorts – until Kolomoiskyy/Biden/Soros-Schwartz/Blinken/Nudelman-Khagan/Zelenskyy/Bandera-Nazi thought they can Create another Attrition WarFront like AFG and Crush the RUS Central Bank/NatlTreasuries/Economy in order to Fail-State RUS.
There’re No Accountings of Shipment Tracking; and RUS are Striking Weapons Shipments/Storage Depots around the Clock.
The Kiev-Lvov Teams are probably hoping to rearm after RUS Secure the Secessionists; but that’s not going to happen.
I suspect this MIC-Merc-Militia Daisey-Chain will take their Weapons Stash elsewhere in the 3rd World. We’ll see a few Imbeciles show up in TWN only to be Crushed – or a few ISIL Cells becoming Active.
It’s one Epic ClusterFrack; and we know who to blame…

Posted by: IronForge | Apr 20 2022 20:21 utc | 106

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 20 2022 19:42 utc | 85
My bad, those are missile systems, not jets.
RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 20 2022 20:21 utc | 107

bubbles @80–
The “boss” here is the CIA, and it has no problems coming and going from its home base in the Outlaw US Empire. Hell, it has its own airline and military.
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 19:50 utc | 94
Well karlof1, as much as I appreciate you historical inputs, and that your assessment of the CIA as the ultimate manipulator has merit, there is an interlocutor in this vicious game that the US and EU embrace but at times shun when his viciousness can’t be sold as part of the normal course of standing up for Democracy and human rights. Burisma’s real owner has no interest in human rights, and that’s what makes him an asset to Murika, the few, the proud, the bullshitters extraordinaire.
When things get testy, he retreats to Geneva, when he really needs to hide out for a bit, he beats his ugly soul to Israel. Zelensky’s bossman, founder of the Azov nazi cult, wild man boasting of his special status, etc.
But how could he be criticized? It would be anti Semitic, and we all know what that means..?? Up is down, black is white, truth..are lies.

Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 20:23 utc | 108

robin #104
The aircraft will be based adjacent to a scrap metal recycling plant. Zelensky and Kolomoysky are in absolute partnership. eg where are all those busted tanks and and APC’s?
A conspiracy theorist could make a case here that Putin/Hunter are behind it all and the reason he has not bombed the railway tracks is so they can recover all that scrap and return it to Lvov Recycling Sustainability International (NGO).
You see it is yet another Putin 8 dimensional plot!

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 20 2022 20:25 utc | 109

test

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 20:25 utc | 110

From Donbass Insider, an interview with the (hot) Natalia Nikonorova, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Donetsk People’s Republic, and Permanent Representative at the Trilateral Contact Group in Minsk.
https://t.me/donbassinsider/7695

Natalia Nikonorova told about the ones who might actually be on the territory of “Azovstal”
The Minister commented on the proposal of UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres on a humanitarian truce with the Ukrainian side and expressed doubts about its necessity and expediency.
She recalled that over 8 years of negotiations with Ukraine, various ceasefires led only to regrouping and strengthening positions of the armed formations of Ukraine.
The Foreign Minister also commented on the situation with the “Azovstal” plant and made an assumption about the ones who might actually be inside “Azovstal”, in addition to the Ukrainian nazis from the “Azov” battalion:
“We have assumptions that there is someone at this facility who neither the DPR People’s Militia nor the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation should see. It can be either high ranking mercenaries or military instructors who are foreign citizens, or those who understand that they are actually war criminals.”

RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 20 2022 20:30 utc | 111

@Obamavirus #9

It is believed to be Soros and other radical left Jews who are funding this group. These antifa radicals always show up after a protest and then start looting and vandalizing businesses after dark.

L0L I challenge you to prove your assertions and you can’t use Alex Jones as a source.

Posted by: fnord | Apr 20 2022 20:31 utc | 112

Anyone remember what happened when the US DID track the weapons they supplied?
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/operation-fast-and-furious-atf-gunwalking-scandal-forgotten-history/
The minute I read about the “Plan Mexico” I knew it was another Columbia in the making.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 20 2022 20:33 utc | 113

@Krypton #50
Watching the videos by Patrick Lancaster and doing the math I can well believe tens of thousands of civilians have died in Mariupol. But I don’t believe they were intentionally killed by Russians and their allies.

Posted by: Tim | Apr 20 2022 20:34 utc | 114

(Sorry for double posting, but I had missed that there was a new thread.)
As for the fate of Germany, I could imagine Russia at some point in the future driving 40 million Poles into Germany, the same way both Poles and Germans were expelled westward by Stalin. Given the historical hatred between Poles and Germans, and the hatred of both peoples against Russians which has now again surfaced, this would have an exquisite irony and would be an appropriate punishment for them. Trapped together in the already cramped Germany, they would have to fight each other over very limited resources. They would rip each other to shreds.

Posted by: Unnamed | Apr 20 2022 20:35 utc | 115

Well it is only right that this should be so! The worlds biggest spreader of ‘terrorism’ and biggest dealer of death needs some sweet karma every now and then. when MANPADs flood Europe a few planes will fall from airport skies we have no doubt!

Posted by: Gerald | Apr 20 2022 20:35 utc | 116

@oldhippie #28

It is not “stupid local governments” that coddle Antifa. It is purely a government/police organization.

When browsing the comments section I tend to stop at your comments because they are usually interesting and worth reading, but then you go and post nonsense like this. Black Block is a tactic, not a uniform. If I put on a football uniform does it mean I’m a member of the NFL? If I wear the garb of a clergyman does it mean that I’m a Catholic priest? If I wear all black does that make me an “Antifa”? Does the state engage in counterintelligence operations against its citizens using subterfuge and misdirection? You’re entitled to your own opinions but your not entitled to your own facts. I guess everyone makes mistakes.

Posted by: fnord | Apr 20 2022 20:44 utc | 117

@fnord #77
Stop usurping my moniker. There can be only one fnord. FNORD

Posted by: fnord | Apr 20 2022 20:47 utc | 118

Posted by: NemesisCalling | Apr 20 2022 19:44 utc | 86
In what universe would old leftists be alienated by masculinity, patriotism and patriarchy? Would the cadres of the Red Army Faction have been (it should be added that some of them are still around and roaming about), for example? I guess it’s possible we have very different notions of what “old leftist” means.

Posted by: Unnamed | Apr 20 2022 20:49 utc | 119

@ Posted by: fnord | Apr 20 2022 20:47 utc | 117
There are multiple people using some variation of the name fnord. I’ve come to think it’s better this way and better keeps the discordian faith if people are confused by this.
Hail Eris and happy 4/20.

Posted by: fnord | Apr 20 2022 20:50 utc | 120

TomD @100–
I’d composed a reply comment to yours, but it was blocked many times by the blog software. I posted the entire transcript of Putin’s meeting on the development of the metallurgical complex to the week in review open thread, which has several nuggets related to the direction of Russian policies.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 20:52 utc | 121

—-Be ware, there has been an unprecedented level of Nazi trolls here lately which is to be expected. Don’t feed them…
Posted by: mikhas | Apr 20 2022 17:39 utc | 25
This is how Norwegians do it- excuse the strange format
The Ashlad and the Hungry Troll
As I posted under this video, it’s a sad thing Ivo Caprinos legacy is in the hands of people who don’t understand how the internet works, but think it’s out to get them.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 20 2022 20:52 utc | 122

Very much unlike typical US military way of waging war (bombing a country into the stone age), with the Russians there will be no big major decisive battle but instead a slow grinding down of the Ukie forces in the Donbas, surrounding them and attacking them at the edges of the ever tightening cauldrons while denying them (re)supplies, fuel and reinforcements.
Thanks to stupid thick headed politicians many clueless young men will die unnecessarily. The Ukraine is done, kaput.

Posted by: Hannibal | Apr 20 2022 20:53 utc | 123

robin #104
Zelensky and Kolomoysky are in absolute partnership.
Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 20 2022 20:25 utc | 108
According to some Western media sources, Panama papers say the actor Zelensky has been paid very very well for his role pretending to be President of a newly acquired US asset called Ukraine. Ronnie Reagan was just a shiny face actor too, so it’s not like this in new or Murika is interested in promoting real leadership at home or abroad.

Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 20:53 utc | 124

bubbles @107–
Why not name the miscreant. Do recall that Zionists are the #1 Anti-Semites on the planet.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 20:55 utc | 125

LOL Just watched a Telegram video of a T80 tank doing a wheelie in the middle of a square somewhere in Ukraine… the driver just twirled it around, then drove off… 🙂
https://t.me/milinfolive/81613
RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 20 2022 20:55 utc | 126

Patroklas #74
You ask b what is wrong with Germany? I have discovered anti-spiegel.ru as a part antidote for absent information and perspective. You need a page translate function and it is a cinch to read the German if you are illiterate in German like me.
This site has material that reveals Scholz as nothing more than a cheap, lying captive stooge of the USA and big banks.
From anti-spiegel as an example: Zelensky advisor – “The national idea of Ukraine is to lie to yourself and others as much as possible”

One really has to give credit to the German media because they are very effective in hiding from the German audience what officials are really doing and saying in Ukraine. Best of all, it doesn’t even take evil “Russian propaganda” to discredit the Ukrainian leadership, which they do openly themselves. If the German public knew what kind of people govern in Ukraine and who the West finances with countless billions of taxpayers’ money, there would be great outrage. So the media consistently hides all these things, which is why I will show this here with some current examples.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 20 2022 20:57 utc | 127

Long article but it summarizes the stupidity of the west in isolating itself, us and europe, rather than china and russia:
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2022/04/thierry-meyssan/the-end-of-western-domination/
From article:
In practice, we are witnessing the end of four centuries of domination by Westerners and their empires. It is a confrontation between different ways of thinking.
Westerners now think only in terms of weeks. With this short-sightedness, they may have the impression that the United States is right and the Russians wrong. On the contrary, the rest of the world thinks in decades, even centuries. In this case, there is no doubt that the Russians are right and the West as a whole is wrong.
Rather than confronting Russia and China, the United States has chosen to withdraw into its empire: to isolate the West in order to maintain its hegemony.
Since 2001, all world leaders have viewed the West, and particularly the United States, as wounded predators. They do not dare to confront them and look for ways to accompany them gently to the cemetery. No one ever imagined that they would isolate themselves to die.

Posted by: Thomas | Apr 20 2022 20:59 utc | 128

@Obamavirus #66

Antifa was used to create a sense of emergency to influence the 2020 election.

Apparently you’ve never heard of history books or COINTELPRO.

They are an astroturf army like the above in Ukraine. Zionists are funding both groups to influence the political and geopolitical processes to their advantage.

Your lack of comprehension vis-a-vis Black Bloc tactics as used by non-hierarchical entities is making you look like a fool. Zionists cause enough grief in this world already. We don’t need you making unqualified attributions. Your ignorance is a detriment open-minded and free-thinking folk.

Posted by: fnord | Apr 20 2022 21:04 utc | 129

According to Scott Ritter, Gonzlo Lira is dead.

Posted by: Mongo | Apr 20 2022 21:10 utc | 130

Note on Gonzalo Lira from the ColonelCassad Telegram channel…

Militants of the terrorist organization Azov Regiment may be involved in the kidnapping (https://riafan.ru/23115323-boeviki_azova_mogut_bit_prichastni_k_pohischeniyu_videoblogera_iz_ssha) of video blogger Gonzalo Lira from the USA.
A “fat hint” on the circumstances of Lyra’s disappearance was given by one of the leaders of “Azov” on Twitter. In his posts, he unequivocally indicated that one of his Nazi “brothers” was directly related to the disappearance of the Chilean.
“Funny irony that the Chilean Gonzalo Lira was caught by a man with the call sign “Chile”. In any case, let’s hope that the video of the decapitation will soon surface on Telegram,” Sergey Korotkikh, known as Boatswain, wrote on his Twitter.
The boatswain and Chile have already been marked by the killings of civilians and captured soldiers of the Russian army, and, apparently, they believed in their own impunity.
However, public attention, which attracted tweets about the kidnapping of an American citizen, forced Botsman to hastily delete the account. And this is not surprising, given that Lyra is a US citizen and American justice may have questions about the militants.
The feeling of permissiveness can play a cruel joke on Boatswain and his team: the Kyiv regime may well decide that it is better not to take risks once again, leaving these “heroes” alive, attributing their death to the actions of the Russian DRG. They know too much.
#Ukraine #USA #Azov #Lira
@riafan_everywhere

RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 20 2022 21:12 utc | 131

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 20 2022 19:27 utc | 74
That’s funny. This is the sequence I recall.
Germany and 5 BFFs do Maastricht, Britain joins the EU, Britain sabotages the EU, Germany breaks the EURO curve, Britain sabotages the EU, Germany repossesses all the PIGS, Britain sabotages the EU, Britain leaves the EU, Britain and 6 BFFs sabotage the EU …
what on earth is going on in Germany?
Chronic case of “imposter syndrome”, aka manic depression.
When are they going to say: genug!
Next business cycle

Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 20 2022 21:12 utc | 132

Posted by: Cthulhu | Apr 20 2022 17:25 utc | 18
“How long until a private jet flying into one of the many international summits held in Europe gets taken down by a MANPAD?”
You say that like it’s a Bad Thing.
You could ask someone from Lockerbee about possibly unintended consequences?
–Posted by: Obamavirus | Apr 20 2022 19:05 utc | 66
“Better trolls, please.”
Posted by: Ursula Zandt | Apr 20 2022 19:10 utc | 67
https://www.unz.com/estriker/antifa-organizer-exposed-as-member-of-elite-political-family/
Your turn

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 20 2022 21:12 utc | 133

Thomas #127
Your quote from Thierry Meyssan

Since 2001, all world leaders have viewed the West, and particularly the United States, as wounded predators. They do not dare to confront them and look for ways to accompany them gently to the cemetery. No one ever imagined that they would isolate themselves to die.

Thierry glides over the fact that the ‘West’ is roughly distributed across the northern hemisphere plus Australia and New Zealand in southern hemisphere. Oh how many of us wish the USA would isolate and die. But it intends to destroy all its allies and the Pacific Islands one more time before it dies.
Like the Pharaohs it will take the concubine to its grave.
Thanks for the link as I enjoy Thierry even as he steps on my toes now and then.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 20 2022 21:17 utc | 134

@fnord #119
How dare you impinge upon the magnificence and splendor of the Great and Mighty Paratheo-Anametamystikhood of Eris Esoteric? FNORD

Posted by: FNORD | Apr 20 2022 21:17 utc | 135

@125 RSH
Oh that one has music, wtf is that
Anyway, note the antlers on the tank…

Posted by: ptb | Apr 20 2022 21:18 utc | 136

From Colonel Cassad Telegram channel…Document is shown…

The order of Lieutenant-General Kondratyuk forbidding the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Mariupol to surrender under threat of execution.
https://t.me/ua_tribunal/444
Telegram (https://t.me/ua_tribunal/444)
TRIBUNAL
Today, five servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine left Azovstal and surrendered. On the phones of the prisoners, they found a copy of the order explaining why no one wants to surrender.
On April 17, First Deputy Commander of the National Guard of Ukraine Volodymyr Kondratyuk issued an order according to which it is strictly forbidden for privates, sergeants and officers to go over to the side of the enemy and surrender.

RSH

Posted by: CharlesLutherThanos | Apr 20 2022 21:21 utc | 137

Why not name the miscreant. Do recall that Zionists are the #1 Anti-Semites on the planet.
Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 20:55 utc | 124
Indeed why not focus on Zelensky’s boss and controller, the man of mystery, creator of the Azov neo nazi battalion?
That Gonzalo guy had a go at it. Seems he’s missing now…

Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 21:22 utc | 138

@RSH125….drifting in a tank…..with Deja Vu on overdub….uber cool.
Cheers M

Posted by: sean the leprechaun | Apr 20 2022 21:24 utc | 139

Just in:
“Gonzo Lira, a Chilean social
media “influencer” who resided
in Kharkov, Ukraine, and who
published online content critical
of the Ukrainian government,
was kidnapped, tortured, and
murdered by the Kraken Unit,
part of the Azov battalion
affiliated with the Ukrainian
Security Service (SBU).”
Source: Telegram, Intel Slava Z

Posted by: Hannibal | Apr 20 2022 21:26 utc | 140

Surely the Western nations pouring weapons into Ukraine know that many will be diverted and ultimately used by criminals and terrorists in the Western world. Which begs the question of whether this is considered a desired end by some of the donors, on the grounds that greater chaos will provide a justification for greater repression. Is it a matter of intent or ineptitude?

Posted by: Rob | Apr 20 2022 21:28 utc | 141

“Speaking of weapons being sold all over the globe, the US arms manufacturers expect a bumper profit from the offshoots of the Ukrainian conflict and beyond, and the Pentagon’s Christmases have all come at once budget wise.”
Tin foil hat time – I wonder if they knew Ukraine was coming down the pike when we pulled out of Afghanistan. The latter was all played out and something better was coming. Bonus thought – maybe leaving all the arms in Afghanistan was part of the profit maximizing plan.

Posted by: ian | Apr 20 2022 21:31 utc | 142

The lying German press keeps its citizens doped up.
In German from anti-spiegel.ru

Der Spiegel has claimed in an article that Russia is showing “British hostages” on television. Since the people at Spiegel apparently don’t know what a hostage is, I’d like to explain that.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 20 2022 21:32 utc | 143

—-It’s too bad Russia did what it did and caused all this, huh.
Posted by: Lavrov | Apr 20 2022 19:51 utc | 95
Not at all- they are doing what most of us have been waiting for- punch the evil empire in the bollocks.
It’s rather fun- actually.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 20 2022 21:37 utc | 144

To understand Germany, read Udo Ulfkotte’s “Gekaufte Journalisten”. I think it explains politicians as much as journalists. And other Western nationalities as much as Germans.

Posted by: Lysias | Apr 20 2022 21:40 utc | 145

Indeed why not focus on Zelensky’s boss and controller, the man of mystery, creator of the Azov neo nazi battalion?
Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 21:22 utc | 137

Why not to give his name? Kolomoisky. Owner of several oil plants, now destroyed.

Posted by: Olivier | Apr 20 2022 21:40 utc | 146

If Gonzalo Lira was murdered, sledgehammers must come out. He spoke his mind, which isnt a crime, wasnt even Ukrainian and had no allegiance to Ukraine by birth. Those responsible must be handed over to Chile and then prosecuted to the maximum. If Ukraine does not comply, ALL aid must be withheld.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 20 2022 21:45 utc | 147

—-Your lack of comprehension vis-a-vis Black Bloc tactics as used by non-hierarchical entities is making you look like a fool. Zionists cause enough grief in this world already. We don’t need you making unqualified attributions. Your ignorance is a detriment open-minded and free-thinking folk.
Posted by: fnord | Apr 20 2022 21:04 utc | 128
What’s that supposed to mean? That masked individuals can do what they want, if they call themselves black-bloc? It seem you lack the qualified attribution of common sense. Antifa is as zionist as they comes.

Posted by: Anne B | Apr 20 2022 21:45 utc | 148

Mariupol: 1000 Gay Satanic Terrorists Surrender in a Single DayOn media lies at Unz.

Never forget that the same people who told you that the vaccine was safe and effective and that men can become women by cutting their penises off told you that Russia was losing the conflict in the Ukraine.
Literally nothing that these people say is true. You can basically determine the truth of anything by simply looking at the mainstream media narrative, and believing the opposite.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 20 2022 21:46 utc | 149

This is The End.

UNITED NATIONS (Sputnik) – The UN General Assembly will vote as early as April 26 on a resolution to reform the Security Council veto power to require an explanation of its use, a source told Sputnik on Wednesday.

https://sputniknews.com/20220420/un-to-vote-on-changing-security-council-veto-powers-as-early-as-april-26-source-claims-1094922322.html

Posted by: Laurence | Apr 20 2022 21:50 utc | 150

@ Posted by: Anne B | Apr 20 2022 21:45 utc | 147
Some local antifas, such as in Germany among “anti-Deustch” types, that may be true of. But American leftism is more often than not profoundly anti-Zionist and pro-Palestine, and American antifascists are typically so as well. The fact that there is no general “antifa party line” set up by some antifa central committee makes it hard to say definitively where anyone in those organizations stands beyond the obvious opposition to fascist street movements, but I don’t understand where the claim of pro-Zionism is coming from. The biggest Zionists in American politics are the far-right opponents of antifa.

Posted by: fnord | Apr 20 2022 21:54 utc | 151

Interesting way Israel is tap dancing around the reality of supporting Ukraine neo-Nazis, genocidal ultra-nationalists or whatever else you want to call our CIA/Ukraine headchopper-equivalents.
On one had, you have The Jerusalem Post from Apr. 20, Israeli weapon seen used by Neo-Nazi Ukrainian unit against Russia bemoaning the fact that 5000 German MATADOR anti-armor weapons have made their way, in part, to the Azov SS. Israel developed them jointly with a Singapore and German company but Germany supplied them. They’re a very light anti-armor weapon good against APCs or blowing holes in concrete walls. JP offers a video of Azov fighters – “widely characterized as a neo-Nazi militia” – using them in Ukraine. They also mention Azov using Israeli Weapons Industry’s Tavor submachine guns produced in Ukraine under license by a manufacturer named Fort.
Then you have Haaretz with this cringeworthy piece, ‘The Russians See Ukrainians the Same Way Nazis Saw the Jews’:

‘Every Ukrainian faces the same situation as the Jews faced 80 years ago,’ says Sergei Loznitsa, the Ukrainian director of ‘Babi Yar. Context,’ which revisits the Nazi massacre of Jews near Kyiv in 1941

That’s a rather interesting claim by Loznitsa, director of film “Babi Yar: Context”, who seems to ignore the well-documented participation of the Ukraine Auxiliary Police in the Baby Yar massacre of 33,000 Kiev civilians (Jews and other ‘undesirables’) over two days in Sept. of 1941. The Ukraine Auxiliary Police in Kiev/Lvov were almost entirely composed of UAN-B Banderistas, who later deserted the UAP with their arms in 1943 to reform UAN-B. UAN-B’s pathological hatred of Poles and Jews lead to UAN-B’s direct participation in the Volyn and Galician genocide and ethnic cleansing. Yet Loznitsa sees *the Russians* as the new Nazis? This is indescribable ignorance. Where is the outrage in Israel? Rhetorical question – Israel’s Cancel Culture is as strong as ever, and Russia=Evil is the narrative of the decade.
The UAN-M ideology was less genocidal and more political – they didn’t agree with UAN-B’s butchery as a solution. Note that UAN-M was far more dominant in Ukraine politics than UAN-B… until 2014. UAN-M was then sidelined and UAN-B suddenly and strangely given dominant roles in the Ukraine Defense Ministry, interior police, secret police and intelligence (as well as the emergent neo-Nazi militias, eg. Azov and Aidar and various Right Sector units) ’cause that’s how the CIA rolls., I guess. Not a squeak from Israel about the Nazification of all the power centers propping up the post-Maidan government. In fact, they were training Ukraine military in 2015.
This is truly clown world.

Posted by: PavewayIV | Apr 20 2022 21:54 utc | 152

Anne B #147

Antifa is as zionist as they comes.

Antifa is part of the color counter-revolution. They keep one of the ruling class parties IN power and are deployed as needed by both ruling parties. They do not work for revolutionary change as demonstrated by their violence. They negate the ideals of BLM as I see it.

Posted by: uncle tungsten | Apr 20 2022 21:55 utc | 153

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 20 2022 18:44 utc | 56
Absolutely. Can’t blame anyone on this site for not noticing, given the Ukrainian situation, but the Solomon Islands may be a more significant war trigger than Taiwan. We are now run by a government that makes GWB look smart and Biden a wizard. Dangerous times.

Posted by: watcher | Apr 20 2022 21:58 utc | 154

@Anne B #147

What’s that supposed to mean? That masked individuals can do what they want, if they call themselves black-bloc? It seem you lack the qualified attribution of common sense.

Your comment is confusing but I’ll answer it in good faith. Just because someone uses black bloc tactics doesn’t mean they are card-carrying members of “antifa”. The terms are not synonymous.

Antifa is as zionist as they comes.

Let me see if I can unpack what you wrote even though it’s terribly trite. You’re claiming that those who fight fascists are actually ethno-centric Israelis?

Posted by: fnord | Apr 20 2022 21:59 utc | 155

If Gonzalo Lira was a US citizen, the US has jurisdiction over his murder and should go after everybody who has links to the group that murdered him. If a conspiracy to murder can be established, those who bragged about their knowledge & involvement should face the death penalty. https://twitter.com/SarahAshto

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 20 2022 22:01 utc | 156

Wrong account, this person bragged about her involvement and knowledge about Gonzalo Lira’s case https://twitter.com/SarahAshtonLV

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 20 2022 22:03 utc | 157

Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 19:14 utc | 70
Thanks for the caricature of what being Australian means. No offence but we find Dundee references embarrassing, we don’t want the English here, we don’t need the little you know of Australia explained back to us (it’s pommy, not POMEs) and your reminiscences of meeting one Australian are hardly representative.

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 20 2022 22:06 utc | 158

@uncle tungsten #152

They do not work for revolutionary change as demonstrated by their violence.

Are you claiming that violence cannot bring about revolutionary change? In fact, violent revolution is the predominant method of successful revolutions throughout history. Non-violence protects the state.

Posted by: fnord | Apr 20 2022 22:07 utc | 159

PavewayIV @151–
Thanks for testifying that Occupied Palestine isn’t what’s illustrated, that many of its occupiers share the same ideology as other members of the CIA’s Terrorist Foreign Legion.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 22:08 utc | 160

But that’s the entire plan. Get Europe into a constant civil-war quagmire.
Those of us who were involved in Syria never doubted that the US wanted those weapons to end up in the hands of ISIS. It wasn’t a mistake. It was the plan all along.

Posted by: A | Apr 20 2022 22:09 utc | 161

@ uncle tungsten | Apr 20 2022 21:46 utc | 148
Anglin’s point about the wisdom of believing the opposite of what the MSM reports certainly has the ring of truth, especially these days, but I don’t see what purpose is served by referring to 1,000 surrendering 404 troops as “gay satanic terrorists.”

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 20 2022 22:11 utc | 162

Addendum to Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 19:14 utc | 70
In fact your colonial caricature is a dated joke, like the way Americans think of British. Waltzing Matilda? No one under the age of 35 would have a clue here what you’re talking about. It’s BS 1950s imaginings of Australia like this that fail to understand our place in international geopolitics. The CSIRO invented wi-fi but all you can do is parade your quotation of an old depression song as though that summed us up. Apologies, but keep that crap to yourself.

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 20 2022 22:11 utc | 163

I am not able to enter the Strategic Culture Foundation website, which is asking for a never before seen sign in while in Firefox or Chrome.

Posted by: Wilikins | Apr 20 2022 22:12 utc | 164

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 20 2022 21:45 utc | 146
If Gonzalo Lira was murdered, sledgehammers must come out. He spoke his mind, which isnt a crime, wasnt even Ukrainian and had no allegiance to Ukraine by birth. Those responsible must be handed over to Chile and then prosecuted to the maximum. If Ukraine does not comply, ALL aid must be withheld.
Is this sarcasm?

Posted by: ka | Apr 20 2022 22:12 utc | 165

If Gonzalo Lira was a US citizen, the US has jurisdiction over his murder and should go after everybody who has links to the group that murdered him. If a conspiracy to murder can be established, those who bragged about their knowledge & involvement should face the death penalty. https://twitter.com/SarahAshto
Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 20 2022 22:01 utc | 155

Like the way the USA prosecuted the murder of Furkan Dogan, you mean?
Face it: To the degree that the State Department, the CIA, and the Pentagon were even aware of Lira’s existence, they’re no doubt as delighted by his murder as that appalling Sarah Ashton-Cirillo.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 20 2022 22:13 utc | 166

Is this sarcasm?
Posted by: ka | Apr 20 2022 22:12 utc | 164
No, its a case for counter-pressure to rampant pro-war narratives running wild in Europe and US.

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 20 2022 22:15 utc | 167

Thanks for the input.
I think we can all agree that the Ukraine has been plundered and division and sectarianism created.
The West had no interest in supporting Ukraine, it was actively destroying it.
Could have become a very powerful exporting country.
That’s the important message.
Very like Poland down the years.

Posted by: Jerry | Apr 20 2022 22:15 utc | 168

I am not able to enter the Strategic Culture Foundation website, which is asking for a never before seen sign in while in Firefox or Chrome.
Posted by: Wilikins | Apr 20 2022 22:12 utc | 163

Server migration. Give it another half-day or so.

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 20 2022 22:16 utc | 169

ArneHartmann @ 156
While you were correcting #155 I went to her Twitter. As of an hour ago she says he is alive. She is his case officer and she probably knows. Of course she will lie about what she knows. So we don’t know anything yet.
Forget about justice. There is no justice.
Biggest hope right now is they have no staff more competent than this transgender freak. Wouldn’t matter how determined and focused she is, this is a player with many screws loose. The team who plays with her has nothing better. There is military chaos in Kharkov and Gonzalo could be forgotten.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 20 2022 22:20 utc | 170

Who in the US admin has been promoting Mr. Ze?
He has become a murderous loony assured of his invincibility. Moreover, he firmly believes in the support from the American Jewish Community.
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/04/20/zelenskys-hardline-internal-purge/
“Zelensky and top officials in his administration have sanctioned a campaign of kidnapping, torture, and assassination of local Ukrainian lawmakers accused of collaborating with Russia.
Several mayors and other Ukrainian officials have been killed since the outbreak of war, many reportedly by Ukrainian state agents after engaging in de-escalation talks with Russia.
The Ukrainian SBU security services have served as the enforcement arm of the officially authorized campaign of repression. With training from the C.I.A. and close coordination with Ukraine’s state-backed neo-Nazi paramilitaries, the SBU has spent the past weeks filling its vast archipelago of torture dungeons with political dissidents.”

Posted by: Cerena | Apr 20 2022 22:20 utc | 171

Once a jolly swagman camped by a billabong,
Under the shade of a coolibah tree.
And he sang as he watched and waited ’til his billy boiled,
“You’ll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me.”

Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 19:14 utc | 70
That was the only song, recanted over and over and over, throughout Stanley Kramer’s 1959 adaptation of Nevil Shute’s “On the Beach” — like antediluvian cognitive conditioning. After 134 minutes of that, our “jolly swagman” comes to forever symbolize nuclear apocalypse. Or maybe it’s just I’m really tired of that song.
My best friend Bill once told me his vision of eternal torment was getting strapped down inside that Disney ride, forced to hear “It’s a Small World, After All!” over and over.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 20 2022 22:29 utc | 172

Neil Abrams has 2 twitter posts demonstrating the floating standards for evidence that the Grayzone uses when writing about Ukraine. Both threads are long so lets go to his closing remarks:
“… the goal is to portray Ukraine as so utterly desperate for Western military intervention that it has no
choice but to conjure up all these false-flag ops, there is naturally no need for such trivialities as “evidence” and “credible sources.
Anyway, the foregoing analysis should eliminate any doubt regarding @TheGrayzone’s integrity. There are no innocuous explanations for such travesties of reporting. There is, in fact, only one: @TheGrayzone guys are not real journalists; they’re propagandists.
Real journalists don’t travel to Syria and Russia to attend regime-sponsored conferences personally hosted by dictators and then engage in blatant gaslighting on said dictators’ behalf.
Real media outlets are transparent and forthcoming about their sources of funding.
Real journalists take seriously credible allegations of war crimes and report them regardless of which side is implicated.
Real journalists apply reasonably similar standards to verify a given claim regardless of whether or not it supports a particular narrative.
But then there’s @TheGrayzone, whose sole agenda, evidently, is to sow doubt about Russian responsibility for war crimes while grasping at anything, however tenuous, which might implicate Ukraine. I’ll leave to others the question of *why* they do it, because f**k if I know.
I mean what’s @TheGrayzone’s endgame here? At some point the sheer magnitude of Russian war crimes will render untenable their little game of atrocity-denial whack-a-mole. Until then, those of us in a position to do so have a responsibility to keep exposing their lies.
Both posts are worth the attention of all MoA followers.
https://twitter.com/neil_abrams/status/1513524756892508164
https://twitter.com/neil_abrams/status/1506396312023019520
Teejay

Posted by: Teejay | Apr 20 2022 22:30 utc | 173

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 20 2022 18:44 utc | 56
In the late 90’s/early 00’s the US foreign policy’s “intellectual” wing gave up on realist foreign policy. That’s when the term “arc of instability” started being used. It’s also tied tightly to the idea of breaking Russia and China up into little states. The idiotic idea is that a bunch of small, unstable states will be easier for the US to control. Obviously that won’t be the case but they would form a playground for CIA/MI6 to meddle and arm whichever headchoppers serve the immediate goals and it would be a situation where no nation or grouping could hope to challenge US hegemony. It would obviously be a dystopian hegemony.
All,
This is why you leave a rump state in the west. Someone for euroISIS to go. Let them stew and get mad at how they were forsaken by the Europeans. Let them take their nationalistic vengeance on the Poles and the Germans and such. It’s awful realpolitik, but taking all of Ukraine makes the territory a pressure cooker of insurgency and terrorism. Russia gets handed this problem the US has created. So leave the rump and set this bomb in the west’s lap. It won’t totally protect Russia, but it will help. And it will end up leveraging and amplifying politics destabilization in Europe.
And I can’t wait for American liberals to be horrified that neo-Nazi militias in the US are armed with weapons we sent to the brave, Ukrainian freedom fighters. I look forward to providing those history lessons to my compatriots.

Posted by: Lex | Apr 20 2022 22:30 utc | 174

Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 20 2022 22:06 utc | 157
Actually its normally “Pommy bastard”
Yes you are right and most Aussies find the Dundee character cringe worthy. There was some truth in the independence of Australia back in the first half of last century, and was at its peak in 1945, but the post war years saw us return to a vassal state, just switched our liege lord to the USA not UK.
Australia is a very, very urbanised society and always has been.

Posted by: watcher | Apr 20 2022 22:37 utc | 175

“Scott Ritter has announced that Gonzalo Lira has been murdered by Azov. Ritter is said to be friends with Lira and is in a position to know.
Posted by: JB | 62
_____
That’s not quite what he said, though an understandable interpretation from how he phrased it — almost as a premise.
Ritter just issued this less than an hour ago on Telegram:
“A point of clarification—I have no direct evidence that Gonzalo has been killed. I was clear I was referring to “reports emerging” about his demise. But Gonzo said any disappearance of more than 12 hours should be treated as if something bad had happened to him. It’s been five days. If this had been a New York Times reporter disappearing in Russian controlled territory, it would be headline news—especially if a Chechen “hunter killer” team had taken credit for his death. But with Gonzo—silence. Which was the whole purpose of the post: to raise awareness about his disappearance.”

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 20 2022 22:40 utc | 176

Ritter was emphasizing the defeaning silence of legacy media following the disappearance of a real journalist, now missing for 5 days.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 20 2022 22:44 utc | 177

Posted by: Arne Hartmann | Apr 20 2022 21:45 utc | 146
Which Gonzalo Lira?
The one according to Sources® born and raised in Burbank, CA?
https://theancestory.com/gonzalo-lira-2/
https://arealnews.com/gonzalo-lira/
The one Scott Ritter “used to know”?
https://t.me/ScottRitter/27
The pulp fiction screenwriter/director credit at IMDB?
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm1921893/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
Or the journalist credit as Seeking Alpha?
https://seekingalpha.com/author/gonzalo-lira

Posted by: sln2002 | Apr 20 2022 22:46 utc | 178

I think an even greater peril than the analogy with Afghanistan in the 80s and the Libya/Syria war is the one with Latin America in the 60s and 70s. These terror and death squad networks are more similar to the Alliance for Progress campaign starting with Brazil and culminating in Operation Condor. Secretary of State Clinton’s coup in Honduras was the harbinger of a campaign to transform the entire Western Hemisphere into a gestapo prison state.

Posted by: Ralph Reed | Apr 20 2022 22:47 utc | 179

I took at look at Gonzo’s YT channel just in case, in his last video there’s a bunch of comments from a moron called David Murphy who says he hopes he can watch a video of his beheading so he can celebrate. The MSM and politicians are equally guilty of inciting hatred and violence, which I believe is illegal and prosecutable.

Posted by: Oh | Apr 20 2022 22:51 utc | 180

More on Sarah Ashton-Cirillo. Going through her tweets of recent days she does have lots of vid of real places and events in Kharkiv. With voice-over. Any vid where her own face appears it is completely impossible to know where or when that video was shot. She is not in Kharkov. Total narcissist who fails to put her own face in most dispatches?
She is obsessed with Gonzalo. He is her job, he is her assignment just now. She has lots of detailed knowledge about him and about the city. .Lots of photos of her with Ukrainian military and SBU. She is running the operation, just not running it from a war zone. Hard to keep your makeup perfect in a war zone.
She says he is alive. Probably.

Posted by: oldhippie | Apr 20 2022 22:52 utc | 181

Posted by: Teejay | Apr 20 2022 22:30 utc | 172
Neil Abrams, whoever he is, demonstrates that he lies a lot.

Posted by: pretzelattack | Apr 20 2022 22:53 utc | 182

Rather than confronting Russia and China, the United States has chosen to withdraw into its empire: to isolate the West in order to maintain its hegemony.
Since 2001, all world leaders have viewed the West, and particularly the United States, as wounded predators. They do not dare to confront them and look for ways to accompany them gently to the cemetery. No one ever imagined that they would isolate themselves to die.
Posted by: Thomas | Apr 20 2022 20:59 utc | 127
Dividing the world into two spheres doesn’t necessarily mean the end of the Western world, it simply means tracking back toward what once was the norm before the globalization experiment our Great Western Brains touted that as the ultimate solution for all of ‘human kinds’ woes.
The journey to achieve said adjustments however, won’t be without significant challenges and a great deal of pain for the average person. However, the money changers will of course be ok , as they will continue to bleed the commoners to maintain their wealth, position and influence within the new boundaries. Nothing especially new there.
And of course, tout Democracy as their raison d’être.
A relevant quote to walking it all back to where it once was, Ex Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien explained why he failed to deliver on his promise to ditch the previous governments Free Trade Agreement with the US. He said, “You can’t undo an omelette.”
Well, it seems our great leaders are posturing as if they are going to have a go at doing exactly that. And here we are, after all these experiments, like bugs in a jar. No say, no sovereignty, nothing backing our currencies really except labor, massive ‘stimulus’ and chutzpah.

Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 22:55 utc | 183

Writers at theGrayZone (Max Blumenthal, Aaron Maté, and Alexander Rubinstein) are the best around (with the possible exception of Bernhard, here). People who attempt ridicule of folks like Blumenthal, Maté, and Rubinstein only succeed in making themselves ridiculous. It’s like trying to slight the professionalism of Andrei Martyanov. Go ahead, if you like. Now we know all we need to know about your fragile judgement.

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 20 2022 22:59 utc | 185

It is sad about Gonzago L but I found his reportage and presence in a country at war highly questionable from the get-go. The Ukrainian side has trained extremist thugs killing its own civilians trying to flee the conflict in humanitarian corridors – as he himself was reporting I believe – and also killing conventional military wanting to desert and so forth. Talk about putting oneself in a highly dangerous situation. Furthermore, he is broadcasting his face far and wide and (presumably) even telling everyone which city he was in. At one point shortly before going off the air he said he was going to try to show what it was like on the streets where he was living, in other words not only walking around filming but filming his whereabouts.
I’m sorry but I found the entire thing unbelievable. Not saying I don’t believe him necessarily but I find it hard to believe that an individual could imagine that he could get away with such activities in such a dangerous situation. You can talk about freedom of speech, journalist’s rights etc. all you want but he was in a war zone reporting about a murderous regime who clearly would hurt him badly or worse if they found out where he was. I mean: what did he expect?
And it’s not as if he had all that much to contribute since as he said himself most of the time he was holed up in his apartment not daring to venture out. I think he should have high-tailed it over to Donbass immediately after hostilities erupted where he could have joined people like Lancaster and given the same message and analysis but without the personal risk.
Anyway, let’s hope he is being held somewhere and will get out at some point but it’s highly unlikely…

Posted by: Scorpion | Apr 20 2022 22:59 utc | 186

osted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 19:14 utc | 70
Thanks for the caricature of what being Australian means. No offence but we find Dundee references embarrassing, we don’t want the English here, we don’t need the little you know of Australia explained back to us (it’s pommy, not POMEs) and your reminiscences of meeting one Australian are hardly representative.
Posted by: Patroklos | Apr 20 2022 22:06 utc | 157
“we don’t want the English here”
That’s what I said in my post, albeit using different words. No offense intended, but maybe you shouldn’t be so sensitive. The Aussi I referred to in my post was a straight up guy, no pretenses. If that offends you, well tough titty.

Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 23:00 utc | 187

watcher Patroklos
Some years ago I sat out the wet season with an old bloke that drove the last mob down the tanami to alice. He knew the oonadatta to birdsville mail man.
I spent some time at yulumbu. Wallace (whitefella name) would come over in the evenings or late afternoons and talk. lot of oral history -‘dreamtime’ stories that I could not place. Wood river he talked about in a similar fashion but that I could place. He pointed to a boy and said he was that old when it happened. The aboriginal people of the wood river were mustered into a gorge and shot. I flew all that country and have a good idea narrowed down to a few gorges.
I liked hogans comedies but…. Like zelensky, he is an actor.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 20 2022 23:00 utc | 188

Scorpion | Apr 20 2022 22:59 utc | 185
Lira perfectly understood the risks he was taking. go fuck yourself.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 20 2022 23:04 utc | 189

@Teejay #172
Neil Abrams is such a good source I’m going to renounce all of my previous assumptions regarding corporate news and start reading the AP as if they never spouted imperialist propaganda in the past.

Posted by: fnord | Apr 20 2022 23:09 utc | 190

Posted by: Aleph_Null | Apr 20 2022 22:29 utc | 171
All Aussies do know the song waltzing matilda and it was a strong candidate as a national anthem, except I suppose a song about an itinerant, sheep stealing, suicidal, vagrant was a little hard to accept. Of course the REAL meaning of the song, was probably a well disguised political comment about the probable murder by a Squatter (landlord, rich grazier, boss) with support of local police of a unionist, active in the Shearer’s strike of 1991.
For those interested in the song Waltzing Matilda was the term used by wandering guys who wrapped their sleeping sacks and worldly possessions in a swag (carried on the back) and walked the rural roads seeking employment – odd jobs etc on farms usually. It was code for unemployment and struggling times, although the better Aussie weather meant that this life was a little better than the tramps of Europe, since sleeping under the stars was often a pleasure, not like sleeping in drizzly rain. Billy is the tin can he carried to boil his water for tea, billabong a bend in a river that forms a sort of quiet lake or pond.
The song continues
Along came a jumbuck (sheep) to drink at the billabong,
Up jumped the swagman and grabbed him with glee,
And he sang as he stowed that jumbuck in his tucker bag,
You’ll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me.
Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda,
Up rode the squatter, mounted on his thoroughbred,
Down came the troopers, one, two, three,
Whose is that jumbuck you’ve got in your tucker bag?
You’ll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me.
Up jumped the swagman, leapt into the billabong,
You’ll never catch me alive, said he,
And his ghost may be heard as you pass by the billabong,
Who’ll come a-waltzing, Matilda, with me.

Squatter was a term for the rich guys who exploited the workers. These guys ran large sheep and cattle properties, which for many had been gained by their forefathers by simply squatting on land which was later given to them by grants. Many were indeed ex convicts, others the riff raff of English society. A German Unionist was found shot (suicided) by a billabong, hence the song with implications that activist was murdered – hence the ghost.
Of course the song writer was staying with the family if the possible squatter so he was very careful what he wrote.
The song was an expression of working class hostility to the bosses and was popular at a time when unionism was strong and genuine social democratic governments were elected.
Sorry for being so off topic. Hope it is a little interesting.

Posted by: wwatcher | Apr 20 2022 23:09 utc | 191

oldhippie | Apr 20 2022 22:52 utc | 180
why say she? He is so called western civilization in its dying days.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 20 2022 23:10 utc | 192

“Not a squeak from Israel about the Nazification of all the power centers propping up the post-Maidan government. In fact, they were training Ukraine military in 2015.”
—PavewayIV @151
“But how could [Zelensky] be criticized? It would be anti Semitic, and we all know what that means..?? Up is down, black is white, truth… are lies.”
—bubbles @107
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Thanks for critical context in this, Israel’s conspicuously silent collusion.

Posted by: Doug Hillman | Apr 20 2022 23:15 utc | 193

FYI–
As I posted in reply to ld on the week in review thread, Strategic Culture’s VK page provided the info that they’re changing web servers/providers and will return soon. That was 6 hours ago.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 23:16 utc | 194

but I don’t see what purpose is served by referring to 1,000 surrendering 404 troops as “gay satanic terrorists.”
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 20 2022 22:11 utc | 161
Did you notice it was a clip from UNZ? They are homophobic and racist over there (not always but its a feature not a bug) I’m with you though, It is typical to characterise “liberal” by terms such as rainbow and LGBTQ , Trans etc but to me this is simply falling into the trap that was set up.
Obviously the true agenda of “liberal” ideology has nothing to do with minority rights and all this story line does is bring our the racist homophobic elements in dissenting voices, like here at MOA sometimes.
Divide and conquer, it works every time.
Just because Russia and China are doing well on a basis of historical conservatism does not mean these societies are perfect and that they don’t need freeing up from old patriarchal stereotypes. And such freeing up does not need to mean becoming “woke”. Ugh, some of the worst crimes of US Empire are the weaponising, pollution and degradation of the English language and communication in general.

Posted by: K | Apr 20 2022 23:19 utc | 195

Sorry for being so off topic. Hope it is a little interesting.
Posted by: wwatcher | Apr 20 2022 23:09 utc | 190
By and large that was my take on it but you really fleshed it out. Was surprised by the negative reaction from some here.

Posted by: bubbles | Apr 20 2022 23:21 utc | 196

The rapidity with which arms shipments to Ukraine get blown up by Russian missiles might be due to this improvement unveiled by Shoigu:

Due to the new communication systems, the time for bringing target designation to the Kalibr and Kinzhal missiles has been reduced tenfold, Russian Defense Minister Army General Sergei Shoigu said at a board meeting of the military department.
He stressed that the development of the communication system of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation “follows the path of using advanced telecommunication technologies, including the introduction of elements of artificial intelligence.”
“Their use has already made it possible to reduce the time of bringing target designation to high-precision long-range weapons systems, such as Kalibr and Dagger, tenfold,” the army general said.
Shoigu added that the signal troops successfully perform tasks during operations outside Russia, new ways of organizing communications have been tested, allowing to ensure stable command and control of troops in difficult geographical and interference conditions.

Today’s Z-SitRep at Saker’s has a good video of the multiple kalibr strike in Lvov.

Posted by: karlof1 | Apr 20 2022 23:23 utc | 197

but I don’t see what purpose is served by referring to 1,000 surrendering 404 troops as “gay satanic terrorists.”
Posted by: malenkov | Apr 20 2022 22:11 utc | 161
Did you notice it was a clip from UNZ? [snip]
Posted by: K | Apr 20 2022 23:19 utc | 194

Yes, but I noticed too that the article title was reposted here with apparent approbation. Surely we’re better than that?

Posted by: malenkov | Apr 20 2022 23:26 utc | 198

watcher | Apr 20 2022 23:09 utc | 190
I guess I’m a conservative that is closer aligned to the shearers at barcaldine than the fascist crap the US has put in power here in oz. with the soldier settlement blocks breaking up squatters runs post WWI. but even that was not all roses. small blocks subject to arid conditions and bullshit economy.
I guess I’ve got a lot of thoughts and have trouble putting them in writing.

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 20 2022 23:26 utc | 199

Posted by: Peter AU1 | Apr 20 2022 23:26 utc | 198
I thought most of the soldier settlements were on rather poor land the squatters did not want. Like you I am more (much more) aligned with the shearers and mourn the decline of their spirit. We are of course completely controlled by the USA and any efforts at independence since 1945 have been quickly squashed. Whitlam removed by the CIA, probably Rudd and conceivably even Holt, Evatt and even Latham (he is nuts but still laugh at his congo line of suckers).

Posted by: watcher | Apr 20 2022 23:35 utc | 200